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Joseph James Deangelo Part II: Catching a killer · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey everybody. It's your killer country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom, and my name is Brian jr.
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  And this is one Killers. Get caught a podcast of a deep
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  dives into the Killer's. We love to learn about each week
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  bride and I discussed to true crime stories that resonated
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  with us and then I'll lead you down the dark path of learning
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  about who killer was how they grew up, how they killed.
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  And most importantly how they got caught, then Brian answers
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  podcast with a touch of the Paranormal.
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  A story about Cryptids or the creepy side of life and we just
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  want to say thank you so much for listening to us this week.
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  It has been Great week. It was so amazing to see
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  everybody. So hype, I was watching the
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  stats and just was very excited. People were very hyped to see us
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  come back from our little hiatus hiatus.
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  There we go. I'm glad to hear it.
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  And so this week in True Crime is not, it's not good but it's
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  good. Okay.
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  Okay. Alright, so here's the headline
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  that had me screaming this week. R Kelly has been found guilty of
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  sexually abusing and urinating on a 14 year old girl and an
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  Infamous tape. He also has been found guilty
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  this week of other instances of child, sexual assault and child
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  pornography. And the reason why this was so
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  poignant for me, right? Is because I was like a teen
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  girl, when that tape came out and everybody Justified watching
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  it and everybody just has no, no she looks grown blah blah blah.
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  But like, finally, finally, finally now, because the reason
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  why he's in prison now is because of the adult women who
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  he pretty much like kidnapped, right?
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  And and forced to do whatever he wanted and live with him and
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  those girls were all they all met him when they were underage
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  and they were trying to be singers, you know.
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  That was that colt can tell he's from it wasn't right, surviving
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  R.Kelly, rosic was I called ya surviving are Kelly was the The
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  movie I think in my lifetime type movie that came out the
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  deck, but you serious? Yeah, in Chicago.
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  It's official. Now y'all can stop saying that
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  these were adult women because he has now been proven that he
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  has been messing with children. We already knew that because
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  Alia was 15 years old when they got married a quotation marks,
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  you know, but I'm like, here we go.
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  It was more than just a Lea. It was more than just that 14
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  year old girl. This was something that him and
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  his Roadies He and his buddies have been doing for years, which
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  makes sense because sexual predators who go after children.
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  Don't stop if they don't have a reason to it's a compulsion.
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  Okay. This is who he is.
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  Your faves going to jail for the rest of his life.
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  He's never coming out. Yay, and that's that.
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  It's done. It's not, I just it just it was
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  in my spirit. I was like when I saw that
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  earlier this week, I was just so excited.
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  I should say finally. Now, we have alongside all of
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  the people's testimony and alongside what a lot of people
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  have been saying for many, many years.
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  Yes, it's we have the court. Also on our side, it's good.
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  I'm glad to see it. I'm happy to see it in here now,
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  apparently the jury also acquitted Kelly's former
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  business manager. Darrell McDavid of conspiring to
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  obstruct justice. So I'm not exactly excited about
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  that but because his the people in his Circle new, I'm willing
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  honestly I get kind of creeped out when I see like people like
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  looking at his ex-wife and like her thirst traps on like Tick
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  Tock because I'm like I she said she had to have known.
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  It was too much in his regular life.
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  Oh yeah a lot of people had known this was going on right.
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  And so I'm wondering if we're going to get more information
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  about that if he's going to try and make some deals rat some
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  people out because you know, pleading for my life.
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  Yeah. You know, drain the swamp.
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  I want to know what people in hip-hop and R&B knew what you
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  were doing and who joined in. Yeah, three of the six counts.
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  He was convicted for Last week, carry a minimum 10 years in
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  prison. So we're talking about at least
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  another 10 to 30 years added to his sentence.
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  I mean and then like they found that there were images from
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  these like sex type party things on the road and some of the
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  people who were there were underage.
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  So this was them making and sharing child images.
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  Us Attorney. John are lost.
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  Junior said that prosecutors respect the jury's decision to
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  find Kelly's co-defendants. Not guilty on several counts but
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  emphasized that he is finally still being held accountable for
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  sexually. Abusing young girls.
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  The issue was it. He said that, it certain aspects
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  of the charges and the trial made it difficult to obtain
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  evidence convictions for all the charged people, but it is clear
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  that justice has been served by the guilty verdicts returned
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  today. This it is, this is just, it's a
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  reckoning, it's finally. So goodness, now we can actually
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  positively say, if you support our Kelly, you are supporting
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  somebody who was making music about actually harming children
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  and I don't think you could call yourself an ally to children.
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  If you still listen to that music.
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  Because as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to hear somebody
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  thinking about bumping and grinding with children creepy,
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  everything's ruined. It's all ruined.
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  Yes, that's how I feel. It's completely ruined goodness.
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  Okay. That was, that was like, I said,
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  it's bad. But it's good.
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  Yeah, yeah, it's great, it's fantastic.
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  But yes, it's so bad. Yeah.
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  Okay. Well this week or I have for you
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  this this might sound a little familiar because I'm pretty sure
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  you've covered a case about this type of person.
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  Okay so in Texas and in Assisi and anesthesiologist has been
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  arrested on allegations of purposely tampering IV bags.
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  Oh I heard about this guy. Okay now though, doesn't he
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  sound familiar to somebody else? We talked about The Charles
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  Collins actually, oh, Philip DeFranco was talking about this
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  on his new show and I commented and I was like he's given me
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  Charles Cullen Vibes as was active in PA in New Jersey.
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  Like I wrote that, I was like in the comments as like everybody
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  who had a anything complication and he was your
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  anesthesiologist, you need to have them look into that.
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  Yes, I read it as ever. I read the title.
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  I was like, oh, wait a second. We'll call it.
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  Yes. Okay, so this guy's name is
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  fernald over ver Ortiz Junior and he's being charged for
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  allegedly ejecting nerve blocking agents and Other Drugs
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  into patients. I've he's leading us.
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  Yeah, you got more details than I heard from when it first
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  happened. Yeah.
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  Because there was one lady who was just like she took an IV bag
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  home for like fluid. I guess it was like someone who
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  worked there. Yeah.
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  Like freaked out. Like had a cardiac moment and
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  home. Yep.
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  Yep. That happened in also, one of
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  his co-workers died at the surgical center.
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  Why - yes? So, A co-worker was having a
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  surgery there and got one of the tainted bags.
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  Yep, that's from getting, from this, anything, with these
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  people is like some of them are like just straight up evil but
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  some of them are like they just want to be a hero.
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  And so they want to be there when you code and then be the
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  person to bring you back and sometimes they fail because they
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  maybe they make it too strong or whatever.
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  But, yeah, you know, they don't have the exact science down, all
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  right. Yeah.
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  But his coworker, she was a 55 year old woman and she died
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  immediately after using an IV bag taken from the surgical
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  center. Yeah.
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  And, you know, they The opsahl top C, of course, and if I
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  don't, she died from a lethal dose of a nerve blocking agent,
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  often used during the administration of anesthesia.
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  And yeah, I do they need that. I just I'm just kind of like
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  it's just a science thing. I'll ask my roommate worked in
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  nursing for interests. Adam.
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  I guess nerve, like only put you under they want you to like,
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  definitely not feel anything while Under.
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  So you don't wake up from the, the painter, shocking stuff.
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  I tell you it. Like when I had surgery was so
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  I've never went out so fast, so I don't know what they do, but
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  it was like seconds. And then I was being like shook,
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  wait, pretty much. Oh, damn.
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  It's because they had to lift me from the operating table to put
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  me on the bed. And that's like, why are y'all
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  Jocelyn? So it did not feel good.
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  Yeah, that's what I was complaining about.
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  Yeah. Surgery scary though.
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  And honestly, it's just frightening that, you know, we
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  have these people within our Community, who are playing real
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  Cavalier with people's lives because they want to be there
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  when the person gets revived. I saw a pair, a family talk
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  about how their son was like healthy like 100% healthy.
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  This was like a routine like surgery, right?
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  And then like an hour later, the doctors like so there's a 50/50
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  chance your kid's gonna die. What the fuck?
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  And they were like, wait, excuse me, how did this happen?
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  Yeah, I don't even know if the kids survived but I think he
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  might have but still that's so scary.
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  Yeah. Okay, so there's just there's
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  nothing more oh no. So okay, so the way T, way to
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  like fighting it out, you know how, who knew that it was him.
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  Yeah so workers at the surgical center they were able to single
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  out like 10 additional instances of like where patients
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  experience like cardiac stuff in like good on them for Gang
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  because Pennsylvania was not give you remember how
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  Pennsylvania was like, man? This is really weird.
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  This keeps happening. Yeah, this is really nice is no.
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  Oh my God, it'll good on you taxes.
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  Yeah. And it's just like, like you
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  said, with a little boy, is just like, when they were going in
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  for surgeries, it was just like, not big surgery.
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  So why the heck would he have cardiac problems at this point.
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  So they surveillance videos, yeah, they had.
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  There it is. Village videos on several
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  different occasions of Ortiz, doing this to the IV bags and
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  tampering with them. It says, in one instance, where
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  cheese was captured placing in a single IV bag inside of a
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  stainless steel bag, warmer scanning, a hallway, and a click
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  quickly walking away in just one hour later.
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  He 56 year-old woman suffered, a cardiac emergency during a
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  cosmetic surgery. After the egg after bag from the
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  warmer was used during her procedures her procedure.
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  But yeah, they like there's so many they have so many other
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  instances of like this happening and like they have them on
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  camera and stuff. It's just like, wow, dude.
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  And that's why I because like and some of the other cases that
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  I've looked at here we're talking about I mean what was
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  her name Jane to pod? That was like, literally like
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  the 1700s there was you know, and they still figure it out
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  after a while. While, but like No cameras,
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  Charles Cullen. The 90s there aren't really
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  standardized cameras all over every hospital 2022 though.
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  Every inch of a hospital is covered in a camera because
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  there's other situations people have mental health breaks, you
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  know? And Patients run away.
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  They do it because sometimes people try and steal kids like
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  how you thought you were going to get away with that now is
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  absolutely crazy. Yeah, he says that his
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  co-workers at the center Surgery Center or trying to crucify him.
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  Well when I heard they he just like they like brought him in
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  and then he just like walk out. So do they act how they properly
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  detained him now? Yeah, he's the first couple
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  days. They didn't detain and they were
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  like, just don't do anything, right?
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  I know he's being charged. If you're convicted him, he says
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  he faces a maximum sentence of life in prison, of course.
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  Well, depends on how many people died.
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  They got 10, but life is generally like like 56 5 to 30
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  years. It's a president and president
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  term. Yeah.
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  So he gets life for each of them.
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  That's real. Real life.
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  Yeah. But yeah, it's funny thing is,
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  of course, you know this. But he went on vacation at one
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  point and guess what happened. Nobody got to say, nobody got
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  hurt. No, any cardiac, and we're just,
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  he's nothing like that. And then when he comes back,
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  I'll do it. All starts up again.
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  Isn't that a coincidence? Yeah, but yeah.
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  That's um, that's my God. Yeah, that's that.
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  Well, last week, I did my best to cover Joseph James.
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  D'Angelo's Life as a killer and a father and how the two kind of
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  intertwined. But this week, we're going to
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  discuss me like the investigation and what it took
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  to put them in prison and there is going to be some mention of
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  some of the cases, like a little bit of an overlap but because
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  they had some significance to moments in the investigation so
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  they'll be bringing them up again.
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  Now as far as the cellular ransack, ER case it starts in
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  about 1974 and like we spoke about last week these are really
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  bizarre. Burglaries, he said Hitting over
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  120 homes in a year and a half, but a year and a half two years,
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  they started. Very aggressively.
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  And then they abruptly stopped, December 1975, and the East
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  area. Rapist begins.
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  Six months later and Sacramento, they really wasn't much.
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  They did with the saw your aunt soccer because he was an
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  annoyance, it was weird, you know, ripping up people's stuff
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  breaking, you know, just destroying the house and then
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  leaving it was. These were annoyances people had
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  to clean up when he left but he Never saw anything of value.
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  So there wasn't a whole lot, they could do other than, you
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  know, try and pop people around and hope to see catch him, you
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  know. But with things starting in
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  Sacramento, that's a whole different monster for the media
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  and the civilians, it definitely seems like there's no connection
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  between the two but there are definite similarities like the
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  ransacked her was strange and terrifying you know those four
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  or five robberies and night one time even broken at 12.
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  Different houses in one evening and it was the same for
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  residential areas. He was still peoples wedding
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  rings and now I see that and they're like sentimental items.
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  A wedding ring is a physical, that's money.
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  Some people's weddings rings are very expensive, but they always
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  work those at sentimental items. What's weird?
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  Is the photographs of women? And for some reason he always
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  finds and uses hand lotion and I think you probably understand
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  why when he found pictures of women with their children or
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  their husbands, he'd rip them up.
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  And I think that's a break in the fantasy for him.
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  If he found some, like, he didn't like, like close, he'd
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  like Port Orange Juice onto it. As a point out how he hadn't
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  liked, Rob them of their important valuables, he'd stack
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  them on the bed. It's creepy.
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  So yeah, people like come home and like they just see like a
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  safe on the bed. Yeah.
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  A stack of money on their bed and the rest of the house is
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  ransacked him go, I could have robbed you blind but I did just
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  some property theft stealing a piggy bank, some Blue Chip
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  Stamps, one earring out of asset.
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  He would unplug people's electronics and radios.
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  Just being annoying but the investigators do pick up very
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  early on that. There's a sexual element to the
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  ransack. Your cases, probably not,
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  something people who aren't into True Crime.
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  Would understand, especially not back when it was just getting
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  coverage. But as we talked about last
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  week, he always went through the women's underwear and he never
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  stole any of them, but he planted them around the house
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  and one time he put a woman's underwear and her baby's crib,
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  another time he took the man's underwear and he plays Stem in a
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  straight line, going from the master bedroom, down the hallway
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  to a bathroom. And he always found Lube or
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  lotions or things that could be used for masturbation and it
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  seems like he was using it but he never left any DNA behind.
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  So I'll let you decide what you want to do with that
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  information. I don't know what I want to do
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  that information. It was destructive but not the
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  worst thing that was happening in the world.
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  Of the time. But like most of these cases, we
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  cover. It's only a matter of time until
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  things escalate. And that escalation happens with
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  clots nailing, the journalism professor at the College of
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  Sequoias that was September 11 1975.
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  When he grabs claude's teenage daughter out of her bedroom at 2
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  a.m. And from what she said, he just
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  put his hand over her mouth and put a knife to her neck and
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  said, you're coming with me. Don't scream or I'll stab you.
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  And as he's dragging her out of the house she struggling, Sam.
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  He pulls out a gun and he's like, don't scream or I'll shoot
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  you and this time she complies and walked out the back door of
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  her home. But her father hears, the
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  commotion and he bolts out of bed.
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  He runs onto the porch and he's just like, what are you doing?
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  Where are you taking my daughter?
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  And Joseph shoots. Claude the first bullet hits him
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  Square in the chest and it spins him around and the second bullet
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  hits. His left side going through his
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  arm into his heart and both of his lungs.
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  He is wife is able to help him stumble into the house as she
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  calls 911. But within minutes, he is dead
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  Joseph in his great moment of smartness.
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  Tosses the teen girl to the ground kicks her in the face
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  three times and then runs off. She describes it to the police
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  as a white man. Five-foot-ten Angry Eyes, the
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  handgun. He uses in the situation is a
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  miroku. 38 had been stolen from a ransacked property that was
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  hit 10 days earlier and when the police pull, all the calls
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  around the house, Claude Snelling had reported a man
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  looking into the windows of his house.
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  A man looking at his daughter before the Back and that night.
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  Claude had chased the man away from his house but in the
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  darkness. So Joseph had been case in this
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  house but not do what? A good job I did.
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  I guess he just decided Well I can't break in and and and rape
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  her. So I'm a stealer With that, the
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  police are on high alert. Every cop is out the following
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  evening. They spent time looking at one
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  house that was on West squeak Avenue because it had been hit
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  three separate times by the Rams occur on December 10th.
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  Detective Bill McGowan was at this house when it's when they
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  ransacked her shows up again to do a fourth hit.
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  Now, he's surprised but like Joseph is surprised, but he
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  quickly jumped over the fence at the detective follows him.
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  And when McGowan fires a warning shot, he puts his hands up and
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  in a very high pitch, voice is like, oh my God, don't hurt me.
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  See, my hands are up, but the problem was one hand was up, and
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  it was the dark. And with his other hand, he
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  pulls his gun out and shoot to the detective.
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  He doesn't actually hit the detective, he hits the
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  detectives. Flashlight and the flashlight
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  kind of explodes into like Light Glass and plastic and kind of
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  hits him in the face. And so, for a moment, he's kind
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  of temporarily blinded me like stumbles and falls down.
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  And this of course gives Joseph. The chance to get away.
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  But just the the audacity right to go back to a house.
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  You've already burglarized three times just to keep messing with
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  these people. It's like that when you were
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  talking about it last week when he was still making phone calls.
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  Oh yeah. They actually there's way more
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  phone calls on the police side, but we're going to talk about
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  that soon to. So, on January, 9th 1976 is
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  Salia police take a trip to Park Center, which is the LAPD
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  headquarters in Downtown LA, they were very much.
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  Like why haven't we found this guy?
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  We have literally all these cops on this.
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  This is weird. So the LAPD is like how about
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  this? We're going to put Bill McGowan
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  under hypnosis. See if he can remember anything
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  else because they're like, as far as they're concerned, he's
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  the only person who really outside of cloths, tailings,
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  daughter to see Joseph and live to tell, you know, to see him
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  and lived to tell the tale. So I think they don't want to
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  put the teen victim through. This again, because she's
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  literally had to watch her father died.
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  Now, under hypnosis McGowan tells the police that he had a
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  baby face. It was round and soft looking no
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  hair on his face at all and that was very consistent with reports
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  of the people who saw someone looking in their window, the
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  police actually are like does he ever go outside?
• 23:25
  Because he's so pale like he can't be a native to the Salia
• 23:30
  because people from this region are outside and we have the Tans
• 23:35
  to prove that So the police go back over the hundreds and
• 23:40
  hundreds of power. Prowler and peeping.
• 23:42
  Tom calls from girls and young women that go back to 1973.
• 23:47
  If you remember from last week 73 is when he graduated from
• 23:50
  college. So he started this.
• 23:52
  As soon as he no longer had to deal with studying for school.
• 23:57
  The police contact every eyewitness, show everybody the
• 24:00
  sketch and they do get some new details.
• 24:03
  But the problem here is and if you look at the sketches, I know
• 24:07
  you're not Brian. But if someone's listening and
• 24:09
  you just pull up, Joseph James, D'Angelo's Wikipedia page,
• 24:12
  you're going to see like nine different sketches and the first
• 24:16
  one doesn't look like him. And all I can think in this
• 24:19
  situation is that he's chubby right now.
• 24:24
  He had maybe he hasn't been working out as much because it
• 24:27
  does look like a chunky version of Joseph DeAngelo.
• 24:35
  Also an interesting detail here, right?
• 24:37
  The high pitch voice because we know later on.
• 24:41
  In the East area rapist case. He's talking in a deep voice,
• 24:45
  kind of through his teeth like that.
• 24:47
  So it's interesting with the police, believe happened with
• 24:50
  this is that sometimes, women would hear two voices and that
• 24:54
  he was trying to make it seem like this was a group thing at
• 24:58
  this was like a team or from. So, and so that's why he had to
• 25:02
  voice. I get there.
• 25:04
  So if he gets caught you can be like, no, no, it was the other
• 25:07
  guy. Who's the main guy?
• 25:08
  It's not just me. Yeah.
• 25:11
  He's putting everything now. It's Sacramento begins dealing
• 25:15
  with the easier rapist. The solute, PD do send
• 25:18
  information to them about the fact that their attacks kind of
• 25:22
  seem similar the trashing. The house, the was stealing
• 25:25
  worthless Trinkets and personal jewelry that can't be sold.
• 25:29
  And that similar tools are being used, but, of course, because
• 25:33
  burglarizing and raping or two very different crimes that
• 25:36
  generally have different pathologies, it's overlooked at
• 25:41
  this time. I'm in history.
• 25:45
  Sacramento's. Like there's just too many
• 25:46
  differences. We're getting shoe Impressions
• 25:48
  here, your guy never left any evidence.
• 25:51
  We're getting evidence, this, he's making mistakes, but like I
• 25:56
  think this situation with that composite sketch, that the
• 26:00
  ransack her picture is him at a higher weight and the, the
• 26:04
  sketches that come out of the East area.
• 26:06
  Rapist, he look slender, I think that was also a big detail and
• 26:10
  I'm like that throws me for a loop because Generally attackers
• 26:15
  will change their hair color, maybe they were glasses, maybe
• 26:18
  they were a hat, you can get away with it if you just lose
• 26:21
  weight. Of course, if you're very thin
• 26:25
  already, I suppose you have to add yes, or grow a beard or
• 26:28
  something. Well, so 1978 in July the salyut
• 26:34
  PD, tell the press that they believe that the easier rapist
• 26:37
  and of a sawyer ransack are the same guy and the Sacramento
• 26:41
  Sheriff's are pissed off. They released their own
• 26:45
  statement saying that they are disappointed in the newspaper
• 26:48
  and the other police department and say that the other de Police
• 26:51
  Department is just desperate even now, there's still
• 26:56
  disagreements on whether they were the same people.
• 26:58
  I mean, by the name of Ken Clark Sacramento's lead, Investigator
• 27:01
  in the more recent cases, believe they were the same and
• 27:04
  so do the FBI. But the lead investigator in
• 27:08
  Contra, Costa County did not Now, these attacks as the Easter
• 27:14
  rapist begin on June 18 1976, it's Friday night and Rancho
• 27:18
  Cordova at 4:00 a.m. is victims, 23 years old, and she just moved
• 27:21
  back into her dad's house on 26 hundred block of paseo Drive.
• 27:26
  They've been Sivan. Receiving strange calls for
• 27:28
  weeks, and she definitely felt really uncomfortable and she
• 27:32
  wanted to believe. They were a prank.
• 27:33
  Like the police said. The night of the attack, her dad
• 27:37
  was out of town and she was all alone.
• 27:40
  She woke up at 4 a.m. and her light was on.
• 27:42
  And a man was sitting in the doorway with the ski mask on
• 27:45
  tapping. The door frame with a knife, he
• 27:47
  had no pants on. She told the police later, he
• 27:51
  had a very slim athletic build he yank her bedding off of her.
• 27:55
  And was like, if you make a move or sound, I'll stick this knife
• 27:57
  into you. I want to fuck you.
• 28:00
  Take it off. Direct quote.
• 28:03
  Yep. Unlike the soft, high-pitched
• 28:05
  voice. We get and we saw you, this is
• 28:07
  horse. And speaking through clenched
• 28:09
  teeth, he tied her up assaulted her and when it was done, he
• 28:12
  asked, if she had any money when she tried to reply like that,
• 28:16
  she didn't he yelled her. Shut up, he gagged her.
• 28:19
  He went hunting through the house and at one point she
• 28:21
  thought she heard two people talking and then there was
• 28:24
  silence. She wriggles out of her.
• 28:28
  Shoe strings that he has tied her up with and calls the
• 28:31
  police. The police treat this like a
• 28:34
  sexual assault case that she's alert and she's able to tell
• 28:38
  them the knife is about three or four inches long.
• 28:40
  She told him the mass seemed homemade from some strange white
• 28:44
  like course material. He wore gloves the entire time.
• 28:47
  The police found a balled up towel with baby oil Assuming
• 28:52
  that he prepared himself, so that when he woke her up, he was
• 28:56
  erect and she would see him. He had used a special tool to
• 29:01
  slip a deadlock, so he didn't have to force it open.
• 29:05
  And when they finished processing the scene, they
• 29:08
  discovered that he stole $15 and two packs of Winston cigarettes.
• 29:14
  The police are like, well, the reason why he's there is the
• 29:16
  rape not the stealing. So they collect everything in
• 29:20
  the house that they can, that they think, I have his DNA on it
• 29:22
  to catalogue, it's going to be years before we have workable
• 29:26
  DNA evidence, but they keep it anyway.
• 29:30
  After the attack Joseph calls her six times, he mainly calling
• 29:35
  breathing, and then, hanging up and eventually his victim gets
• 29:39
  some peace. They seem to stop and then a
• 29:40
  year later coincidentally, when her rape kit analysis came back
• 29:46
  and they determined that he has a rare.
• 29:50
  It's not an it. Illness.
• 29:51
  It's just like a rare quality. I don't know if people know
• 29:55
  this, but generally your DNA and all forms can also.
• 29:59
  I think tell you're like specifically for men, your semen
• 30:03
  can tell your blood type. His didn't.
• 30:06
  And there's been another serial killer that also had the same
• 30:08
  condition, which is kind of odd, but this is a problem because
• 30:13
  now that they can't get his, they can't get his blood type
• 30:16
  from it. Blood type can eliminate a bunch
• 30:19
  of people potentially as potential rapists, so.
• 30:26
  But the last time that Joseph calls, her is almost a year
• 30:28
  later in December. And he says, Merry Christmas.
• 30:32
  It's me again. So gross.
• 30:35
  Oh, that's so gross. Yeah, the first word rapes were
• 30:39
  handled with care. The police did the due
• 30:41
  diligence, but essentially Joseph knew what they were
• 30:43
  looking for. So, he specifically moved in a
• 30:46
  way and didn't leave much of any physical evidence behind.
• 30:49
  However, the fifth rape was a woman named Jane Carson and it
• 30:52
  was a pivotal moment. In this case, I didn't expand on
• 30:55
  this because I do want to give Jane's case some some extra
• 30:58
  time. So Jane Carson is a 30 year, old
• 31:00
  nursing student. When she's attacked on October
• 31:02
  5th, 1976. She's Her three-year-old son and
• 31:05
  her husband just leaves for work.
• 31:07
  It's like 6:30 in the morning her and the baby just laying
• 31:11
  together, you know, doing cute, baby things and Jane hears a
• 31:15
  door open and she assumes, it's probably her husband, maybe he
• 31:18
  met forgot, something ran back. And she just here's kind of the,
• 31:21
  you know, bump up of someone walking in the house.
• 31:24
  It's Joseph and he blinds her with a flashlight and he has a
• 31:27
  butcher knife He immediately cuts her with the blade on her
• 31:31
  chest and he's like, if you say anything I'll kill you, I just
• 31:35
  want money. So he gags and ties up both Jane
• 31:40
  and her toddler, and then goes about the house.
• 31:45
  Just Russell and everything looking for everything.
• 31:49
  Eventually he comes back and he unties just her legs.
• 31:55
  Now he during this like moment where he kept going around the
• 31:58
  house, he kept coming back like he would move things and she be
• 32:02
  here stuff, and then he would come back in the room and check
• 32:04
  on her at one point. During one of those checks, she
• 32:08
  kind of feels for her son and he's not there.
• 32:12
  And so she's freaking out. And so even though she realizes
• 32:17
  that, it looks like he might have, he's going to assault her,
• 32:20
  she just got care Doll. She said she told the police.
• 32:23
  She was more focused on the fact that she didn't know where her
• 32:24
  baby was, of course and she couldn't hear it.
• 32:29
  He spent the entire assault taunting her.
• 32:31
  While she's upset about the baby.
• 32:34
  Not letting her know that her son is just on the floor next to
• 32:36
  the bed. She told the police like I said,
• 32:40
  she she was just so focused on that but the assault goes on for
• 32:44
  two hours. Eventually he leaves?
• 32:48
  She tears off her bindings and sees that her son is safe and
• 32:52
  picks up her son and runs next door to the police.
• 32:57
  An officer arrives at her home, who will become important to
• 32:59
  this case in a lot of different ways.
• 33:01
  And her name is Carol daily. Carol Daly was one of the first
• 33:05
  women detectives in Sacramento, and she was invaluable in this
• 33:09
  case, against the East are area rapist.
• 33:12
  Now, Carol originally worked as a secretary for the County
• 33:15
  coroner in 1968, and then, until her husband showed her a job
• 33:18
  listing because the county was desperate for women, deputies,
• 33:22
  and back in the 60s, being a woman in the police department
• 33:25
  was kind of its own classification, and they had a
• 33:28
  separate testing process. It was all very weird, but she's
• 33:31
  just like, listen, I'm going. You do it because you know, if I
• 33:35
  fail then I nothing's bad happens.
• 33:37
  But if I pass, I get a hundred percent pay raise.
• 33:42
  Only 35 women even responded to the job posting.
• 33:46
  Twelve of them passed and six were hired to join the two women
• 33:49
  who are already working for the Sacramento.
• 33:51
  Police Department Carol's one of those six and when I talk about
• 33:56
  this is like the arrow where lady cops were skirt still and
• 34:00
  kept guns in their persons and actually carried purses to
• 34:03
  primelink. Yes, the police have eight women
• 34:08
  working for them but they don't exactly know what to do with
• 34:11
  them because generally male, deputies do stints working in
• 34:15
  prison or they do sir. Controls until they're ready to
• 34:17
  move up Carol. Does everything asked if her and
• 34:20
  slowly? She starts moving up in the
• 34:21
  department, she's very focused, she earns respect of a lot of
• 34:24
  people. And her life changed in 1976
• 34:29
  when she's the one, who responds to Jane Carson.
• 34:36
  The police realized that they have a Serial predator and by
• 34:41
  the seventh and eighth, rape, they realized they need to make
• 34:43
  a task force. And they're like, well, Carol
• 34:46
  has to be a part of this task force.
• 34:48
  She's the only woman, but so far Carol's talk to all of the rape
• 34:52
  victims. And they're comfortable talking
• 34:55
  to her. She was a natural interviewing
• 34:58
  people putting them at ease and it becomes a thing.
• 35:00
  Where whenever a new call comes in the patrolling deputies, who
• 35:04
  respond to the rape call, Carol she comes to the scene and she
• 35:08
  takes the women to the hospital herself for their exam.
• 35:11
  She interviews them during the long periods of time waiting in
• 35:14
  the hospital and this might seem callous to some people.
• 35:18
  But getting those details when they're fresh and the person's
• 35:20
  mind is vital. And ultimately Carol Interview
• 35:23
  36 of the East area. Rapist victims that happen in
• 35:27
  her jurisdiction. The others happen outside of the
• 35:31
  Sacramento County. There was a situation where
• 35:37
  there was a woman who kept kind of bad going back and forth
• 35:41
  between crying and laughing until Carol came in the room and
• 35:46
  then she was like, let's talk. They knew that she would be
• 35:51
  there too. She was there to listen.
• 35:54
  And these interviews are really difficult because some of these
• 35:57
  women have husbands. So now you have to ask really
• 36:00
  delicate questions like one's the last time you had sex with
• 36:02
  your husband. Did you do any sort of douching
• 36:06
  or cleaning between then and the time that this person assaulted
• 36:11
  you? How did he touch?
• 36:12
  You there very hard questions to answer. but through these long
• 36:19
  interviews, they establish his MO And Carol worked on this
• 36:23
  case, almost exclusively for two years.
• 36:26
  But she says she thought about it for 42 and kept in contact
• 36:30
  with many of the victims. And when they caught D'Angelo,
• 36:35
  the police called her first and she said, don't let them learn
• 36:39
  about it. In the news, we got a call them
• 36:41
  ourselves and he went, all right, you start making calls.
• 36:45
  She was the first person to become undersheriff, in
• 36:47
  Sacramento before she retired in 2001 and her work on the East
• 36:51
  area, rapist task force. In standardizing rape kits
• 36:54
  across the state. She informed Trauma Centers and
• 36:56
  hospitals of the kind of evidence that was need to
• 36:58
  collect that would actually help get convictions.
• 37:03
  She's also the first person to realize that the EC a rapist is
• 37:06
  calling people before they are attacking and afterward.
• 37:12
  This gives a multi-layered understanding of the kind of
• 37:14
  Predator. He is, he's getting off to
• 37:17
  scaring people and like he done with the for prior victims.
• 37:20
  J and Carson was called many times beforehand.
• 37:24
  She even told the police that the Phantom caller had
• 37:26
  threatened to kill her husband, but they said these have to be
• 37:30
  prank calls in reality. Joseph is causing calling the
• 37:33
  figure out when the people who live there are home.
• 37:39
  And when he leaves the next rape happens, four days later, this
• 37:44
  is the first time that the newspapers used the term serial
• 37:46
  rapist, and it begins the panic in Rancho, Cordova the
• 37:52
  Sacramento County. Police create a task force, led
• 37:54
  by lieutenant re-root and rate apps, Carol, immediately.
• 37:57
  She's the only one who can get these people to talk the task
• 38:01
  force stations dozens of officers around Rancho Cordova.
• 38:05
  So that if a rape is called in, they can get there within
• 38:07
  minutes. Ten days, later on October 18th,
• 38:11
  there's a rape in the a.m. and that afternoon the police
• 38:15
  publicly announced that they are searching for officially titled,
• 38:18
  the East area. Rapist and offering a 25-hundred
• 38:21
  dollar reward for information to his capture that night almost
• 38:25
  despite them, he attacks another woman in the neighborhood.
• 38:29
  There were even stationed a block away from the woman's
• 38:32
  house. They do not catch him, they
• 38:34
  don't even get wind of him. It's like he is poofing in the
• 38:37
  air when he's finished. Now the next Moment In the case
• 38:42
  comes November 10th 1976 at about 7:30 p.m.
• 38:46
  There's a teenage girl and she's in the house alone for about 15
• 38:49
  minutes. When Joe break, said she was
• 38:52
  waiting for her boyfriend to pick her up and her parents had
• 38:55
  just left Joe drags her out of the house and into the canals
• 38:59
  back behind her home ties her up and then goes back to the house
• 39:03
  and stages it to look. Like she left on her own.
• 39:06
  Like, he didn't break in, he has never done this before.
• 39:10
  And they're worried, is this a sign that he's escalating
• 39:13
  becoming more sophisticated? The task force is like, well,
• 39:18
  we're definitely not dealing with your garden-variety rapist.
• 39:21
  He has shown serious levels of premeditation on one side.
• 39:26
  But on the other he's completely Reckless people.
• 39:28
  In the community have seen him running away.
• 39:32
  So the task force creates a broad profile.
• 39:34
  They think he graduated from high school in the late 60s,
• 39:36
  early 70s, he has ties to the military and may have ties to
• 39:40
  the police. That he either was a cop or
• 39:42
  wants to be one. And this profile is 100%
• 39:45
  accurate. We know that from last week but
• 39:47
  the only problem is there's virtually two generations of men
• 39:51
  who were in the military, okay, World War Two but there's a
• 39:55
  whole generation of young guys who had just been in Vietnam,
• 40:00
  thousands upon thousands of men fit the description of being a
• 40:02
  medium, white built to either lean too chubby.
• 40:06
  White guy with a pail of skin imaginable somewhere between 57
• 40:10
  and 510 was in Vietnam and is a cop.
• 40:15
  That's still too many people. It's not enough.
• 40:19
  But the task force goes back to the basics.
• 40:21
  They start going through like 30,000 cases, across all of
• 40:25
  California history, looking for any rapists.
• 40:28
  You may have just gotten that. A president fits this
• 40:29
  description, it leads to nothing, and the 25-hundred
• 40:32
  dollar reward Rings, no answers. So from December of 1976 to
• 40:39
  February 70, 75 more, women are raped.
• 40:42
  And the community is scared. Cops are stationed, not just
• 40:45
  around homes, but in them families who don't have cops in
• 40:48
  their homes are sleeping in shifts, sitting up with guns
• 40:51
  trained on the doors. Thousands of guns are sold in
• 40:56
  this Gap. Deadbolts going back order,
• 40:59
  people who can't get, deadbolts are taking alternative measures
• 41:02
  like putting doweling rods in the gap between the sliding door
• 41:05
  on the floor or in between the window.
• 41:08
  So it can't be pulled up or down.
• 41:10
  One family told the Sacramento Bee that they put a tambourine
• 41:12
  on every window and door, so they can hear somebody.
• 41:18
  And this level of I think alertness does bring in some
• 41:26
  information. February 17th 1977 18, year-old
• 41:32
  Rodney. Miller.
• 41:33
  Here's a Prowler. And inspects and sees a man in
• 41:37
  the bushes between him and his neighbor's house.
• 41:40
  Rodney lives in the Republican Ripon area R upon.
• 41:44
  It's outside of Sacramento, and it has not been hit with a rape.
• 41:47
  Dad. Ronnie looks at the man in the
• 41:49
  bushes and is like, you going to stay there and chases them.
• 41:54
  This man runs top speed across the street, but stops in his
• 41:57
  neighbor's, front, yard and waits to see if Robbie's going
• 41:59
  to chase him again. The teenager just bolts after
• 42:03
  him and manages, Grab justices Joseph, slag.
• 42:07
  As he's going over a fence and makes him fall down.
• 42:11
  As Rodney begins to climb the fence, Joe pulls his gun and
• 42:15
  shoots Ronnie in the stomach, and of course, Ronnie falls back
• 42:18
  onto his neighbor's lawn and neighbors.
• 42:20
  Hear The Gunshot, and they call the police he gets away.
• 42:25
  But Ronnie has a very clear picture.
• 42:26
  He was leaning over that fence staring right at that, right at
• 42:31
  the guy. So he gets a Information to the
• 42:38
  police. As soon as he can, obviously,
• 42:39
  they had to deal with the whole gut shot first.
• 42:42
  But this is the best police sketch we have of him.
• 42:44
  And honestly, when I looked at his, Picture like his little
• 42:48
  police picture, you know, after you get accepted into the
• 42:50
  academy or like into the the department, to take a cute
• 42:54
  little picture of you. It looks just like that.
• 42:56
  Just slightly off And one of my favorite things about Rodney
• 43:01
  outside of him, just being a badass for an 18 year old, is
• 43:04
  that his family still owns that house and he is just as proud of
• 43:08
  himself. Now, as he is back then, and he
• 43:12
  literally was just like, you know what?
• 43:15
  No rapes happened here. So I guess I did good, huh?
• 43:19
  Yes. And he's right it.
• 43:21
  Spook Joe enough that he leaves ripping alone He's like, I, are
• 43:30
  they on? They do too much, too difficult
• 43:34
  over there, but the task force. Now has concrete proof of how
• 43:40
  he's taken a homes because that bush that Rodney saw him in
• 43:45
  looked like it was almost hollowed out like he had to have
• 43:49
  been there for days. Just watch hating and just that
• 43:56
  police sketch gets released on March 18.
• 43:59
  Joseph repeatedly calls the house of a young girl and arcade
• 44:02
  Arden pretending to be a roofer and asked you to talk to her
• 44:05
  parents. At finally, the girl gets
• 44:07
  annoyed and she's just like they're not coming back until
• 44:09
  next week. Leave me alone at the tanks up
• 44:11
  on him that afternoon. Joseph makes his first call to
• 44:15
  the Sacramento Sheriff's Department.
• 44:17
  The first of many calls he just says, I'm the Easter are rapists
• 44:21
  and cackles and hangs up. He calls two more times that
• 44:24
  day. Very quickly, the same half hour
• 44:26
  and it's just like I'm the Easter rapist.
• 44:28
  I have my Next victim already stopped, and you guys can't
• 44:31
  catch me from April of 77 to November he attacks 12 more
• 44:37
  women. His total is no 28, and the task
• 44:40
  force is doing all they can but they don't have the most money
• 44:43
  to try and track these guys movements Jose calls to the
• 44:46
  frequent. The police are so frequent now
• 44:49
  he's calling future victims but there's just not enough police
• 44:51
  to get stationed in every house and these like 10 neighborhoods
• 44:58
  And of course, some of them have to be false Flags or people
• 45:00
  pretending to be him but they can't get to everybody who's
• 45:03
  getting these hang-up calls to see if he's already been to the
• 45:06
  house and might plan attack because they believe sometimes
• 45:10
  he goes in and he fixes things to help him get back in line.
• 45:15
  So he breaks in first and then stuck and then he leaves it so
• 45:22
  he didn't even easier later. Sakura, many sacraments
• 45:28
  Sacramento County community members are like y'all aren't
• 45:31
  doing enough. And they hold a series of
• 45:34
  meetings to discuss it to do the solution at one of those early
• 45:37
  meetings is now there are 100 men from the county who are
• 45:41
  driving around every night looking for him.
• 45:44
  On top of the police. There's another meeting that
• 45:47
  happens at a local school and detective.
• 45:49
  Carroll Daily is they're giving self-defense tips to women and
• 45:53
  girls who could be potential victims at that meeting.
• 45:56
  A man comes forward and calls other men cowards for letting
• 46:00
  another man, get away with raping your wife next to you.
• 46:06
  That man eventually becomes a victim.
• 46:11
  Joseph will break into that man's house tie him up and this
• 46:20
  detective Carol alerts her peers that the rapist is part of this
• 46:23
  community. He's attending these meetings to
• 46:26
  learn what we're doing. To try to combat him, which
• 46:31
  makes sense. Because these meetings are where
• 46:32
  those guys are saying like, Hey, we're going to do this thing,
• 46:35
  and these people are going to go to this area, they're planning
• 46:38
  the way that they drive around every night and so, of course,
• 46:41
  he knows so he knows how to avoid them.
• 46:46
  Lee Autumn. He starts calling the police
• 46:48
  precinct and he taunts Carol. On December 2nd.
• 46:52
  He calls and says you're never gonna catch me.
• 46:54
  Dumb fuckers. I'm the Easter rapist.
• 46:57
  I'm gonna fuck again tonight. Be careful and his next attack
• 47:01
  happens. A few hours later.
• 47:04
  Also, in December, that horrible poem.
• 47:10
  He calls he calls the woman and says, Merry Christmas.
• 47:13
  It's me again, even calls the task force phone line, and he's
• 47:16
  just like, you know, what, I'll help you out.
• 47:19
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna attack somebody on why Avenue tonight
• 47:22
  and the goal of this guy. It isn't a wild goose, chase.
• 47:26
  He actually shows up on what avenue to try and break in while
• 47:29
  the police are there, but they end up chasing him away from the
• 47:34
  area. The police give the first woman,
• 47:38
  a tape recorder and they're like, listen be ready.
• 47:42
  He might call, we can get his voice, we can put it out in the,
• 47:45
  on the paper, you know, on TV Jane's, January 2nd.
• 47:50
  He calls her again. They get their first tape call
• 47:53
  and release it to the media. The call is him saying over and
• 47:58
  over again. He's going to kill her and he
• 47:59
  calls her a whore and a bitch multiple times.
• 48:03
  Four days later, he calls the police again but not to the tip
• 48:06
  line. This time he calls the contact
• 48:08
  Counseling Services, he sounds like he's struggling with
• 48:11
  something and he tells the person on the phone, I have a
• 48:13
  problem, I need help. I don't want to do this anymore.
• 48:17
  Now the counselor, of course, heard the voice of the Easter
• 48:20
  rapists. And so she thinks that's the
• 48:21
  guy, so she kind of on the low tip alerts the police and
• 48:26
  they're like, we're coming. They have a couple minute
• 48:30
  conversation and as people are arriving, In trying to listen,
• 48:33
  in Joseph, says I believe you're tracking this call and he hangs
• 48:38
  up. He goes back to taunting the
• 48:41
  police and past and future victims on February 2nd 1978.
• 48:46
  He kills again, these are the match, yours.
• 48:49
  The couple that were just out walking her dog, and Brian,
• 48:53
  Mash. Your, who was in the military,
• 48:54
  kind of catches him, skulking around, and chases them, and
• 48:58
  both Brian and Katie or shot. Just more proof again that he
• 49:03
  panics sometimes and just shoots people, the police find
• 49:07
  shoelaces at the scene. His favorite kind of rope and
• 49:12
  they deduce that just like with Rodney, he was interrupted and
• 49:15
  he killed out of fear. They also find military shoe
• 49:19
  prints which match other footprints found at different
• 49:22
  scenes and the community freaks out because they're like, crap
• 49:26
  now he's not just raping people, he's killing them.
• 49:30
  The task force tells the press that women who live alone or
• 49:34
  happened to sometimes be alone. And first story Ranch, houses
• 49:38
  near Rancho Cordova are at risk. And after the police, like after
• 49:44
  that, article comes out in the papers, the attack, stop and
• 49:47
  Rancho Cordova. He's just which is bad because
• 49:52
  he makes his move a little North, the community of
• 49:55
  Northeast, Modesto and Stanislaus, county is not
• 49:58
  prepared for an attack on June 5th. 1978 he ties with the
• 50:02
  husband rapes, the wife with the husband and child in earshot
• 50:06
  Stacks plates. On top of the husband, as a
• 50:08
  sound Trigger, he attacks her for 45 minutes and then
• 50:13
  disappears Into the Night. On July 6, he attacks another
• 50:17
  woman, but this time in Davis, California.
• 50:20
  She's his 37th victim and throughout the entire attack.
• 50:23
  He says over and over again. I hate you, I hate you Bonnie.
• 50:29
  Almost like he's not present in the moment.
• 50:31
  The task force is like who the hell is Bonnie?
• 50:35
  They're like, is she a past victim?
• 50:37
  A future picked on someone he desires, of course, it's decades
• 50:41
  before they learn exactly who right.
• 50:43
  She is. Now, December 2nd of 1978, he
• 50:47
  shifts his hunting grounds 130 miles from the previous attack
• 50:52
  to San Jose, police all over the state now know what it means.
• 50:56
  So there's a rape and the house has been trashed that's the East
• 50:59
  area, rapists and San Jose braces for chaos.
• 51:03
  What we know is that at this time Joe and Sharon are
• 51:07
  traveling but looking for a place to find a home.
• 51:10
  So it's plausible that they were just in the region looking for
• 51:12
  houses because it's the only attack that's in that area for
• 51:15
  now. He uses this time to terrorize a
• 51:18
  couple when the husband tries to defend his wife Jo nearly
• 51:22
  shatters. The guys, kneecap hitting him so
• 51:24
  hard that he can't get out of the bed, the entire time.
• 51:28
  He's raping this woman. He's threatening both her and
• 51:30
  her husband. He keeps the knife out when he's
• 51:33
  done, he leaves them tied up. They hear him pacing and crying
• 51:38
  outside of their bedroom in the Next Room.
• 51:42
  He only actually stops when the man knocked the dishes off of
• 51:46
  his back. And then Joe hits the man in the
• 51:49
  head. With one of his weapons still
• 51:52
  though, the husband doesn't stay down and when he moves again and
• 51:55
  knocked over the plates. Again this time.
• 51:59
  Joe ties him up again and puts the plates on them, cry, some
• 52:03
  more and then leaves once you put your please rightly, so the
• 52:07
  police are worried. He's having sometimes.
• 52:09
  Yeah. I'm sorry.
• 52:15
  I was like, why would you want to place it back on if you just
• 52:17
  go to leave anyway? I don't know maybe like some
• 52:21
  down to okay, whatever. I know.
• 52:25
  And obviously this guy is shown that like he doesn't care about
• 52:28
  your little a trigger. He's gonna keep doing what he
• 52:31
  wants and trying to help his wife, but another where he's
• 52:35
  having some kind of psychological break, but we do
• 52:37
  know outside of this. We talked about last week so
• 52:40
  there's trouble in the D'Angelo house Joe and Sharon are
• 52:43
  sleeping in different bedrooms, they are not having a good
• 52:45
  marital relationship. The polite.
• 52:48
  The police are right that this is an escalation and that
• 52:50
  there's going to be a further escalation but they don't know
• 52:52
  how or when and by the end of 1978, there are now 80
• 52:57
  detectives on the East area. Rapist, task force across
• 53:00
  multiple counties and there have been 40, rapes, Lieutenant
• 53:04
  re-root, isn't sure what to do. They followed the book when it
• 53:07
  comes to policing and trying to catch this guy.
• 53:09
  So one of the detectives Richard Shelby, Be who was on the task
• 53:12
  force. At one point, has an idea,
• 53:15
  Shelby is intense and he recognized the serial nature of
• 53:19
  these crimes. And even though he'd been taken
• 53:21
  off the case. At this point, he's not letting
• 53:23
  it go. Shelby's like, listen, we need
• 53:27
  to attack him in the Press. Attack his manhood, see if he
• 53:31
  does something Reckless. So the task force releases
• 53:35
  information about the easier, rapist specifically that he has
• 53:38
  a small deformed penis and they brand him as a coward in the
• 53:44
  news. Detective Shelby gets quoted in
• 53:47
  the Press talking about this and shortly after Shelby's young son
• 53:52
  would come to detective. Detectives bedroom telling him
• 53:55
  that the man was looking through his windows.
• 53:58
  The young boys so scared that he refused to sleep in his room
• 54:01
  alone until he was 13. Joseph, just wanted to let
• 54:04
  detective Shelby know I know where you live and I could hurt
• 54:08
  you. If I wanted to detective, shall
• 54:11
  we doesn't want to tell his wife and that they were visited by
• 54:14
  the East area area rapist? Now we move into 1979 brings
• 54:21
  more six more rapes in Sacramento Alameda, and Contra
• 54:25
  Costa County and the consent form.
• 54:28
  Months, the police force and the task force Wonder did he die,
• 54:33
  has he been arrested impressive? Move to another city.
• 54:38
  Now, what you and I know and everyone who listened to last
• 54:40
  week is that this is when he gets caught stealing from that
• 54:43
  hardware store and kind of lays low while they're dealing with
• 54:47
  that. No one of the most interesting
• 54:49
  details about this is. So he wasn't going to lose his
• 54:51
  job, over the stealing, he lost his job because his boss gave
• 54:55
  him six months of Probation and he lost his cool.
• 54:58
  And he gets into this massive fight in October of 1979.
• 55:01
  And he tells his chief, Nick wellick, he threatens to kill
• 55:05
  him. And his boss is just like, you
• 55:09
  know what, I've had it with you. You're done.
• 55:11
  Joe is devastated. He's humiliated.
• 55:14
  He's embarrassed. and within weeks, Chief willick wakes up
• 55:21
  and his daughters in bed with him in the morning.
• 55:24
  And he's like, well, what happened?
• 55:25
  And she's like, there was a man in my window last night.
• 55:27
  He was flashing a light. So I came in here Just Joe again
• 55:31
  trying to threaten people in his real life who he feels like
• 55:34
  giving him problems, which is a weird thing.
• 55:36
  Yeah, they don't know that it's the, this is the reason why.
• 55:44
  But after that explosion with his boss, for more rapes happen,
• 55:51
  his youngest victim, yet she's 13, his last Soul.
• 55:56
  Rape is October, 1st 1979 is brutal.
• 56:01
  It's ink a lot of California. The task force isn't aware of.
• 56:05
  What's about to come on the horizon.
• 56:07
  He is now solidly in the South and he's about to ask collate to
• 56:12
  murder every time. It starts with dr.
• 56:15
  John offer, man and his partner, dr.
• 56:17
  Deborah Manning. They police.
• 56:19
  Find a size 9 shoe and the dirt outside of the house, and they
• 56:22
  match it to the scene in October.
• 56:25
  It's the same guy who committed the rape, but they aren't sure
• 56:28
  that the rape from October is the East area rapist yet.
• 56:33
  March thirteenth, nineteen eighty, we have Lyman and
• 56:35
  Charlene Smith who get bludgeoned to death in their
• 56:37
  home. They are tied with a special not
• 56:40
  called The Diamond. Not the house isn't ransacked,
• 56:44
  for the first time through the police.
• 56:47
  Focus on lyman's business partner, are really like this
• 56:50
  part, but just some of his business dealings Lima Smith is
• 56:52
  a well-known attorney. In Santa Paula, who makes very
• 56:55
  odd Investments. Sometimes offering get-rich
• 56:58
  schemes to his clients on one of such investment through the Land
• 57:01
  Development. I called gaap and the client was
• 57:05
  Joe, allsop, police find else's fingerprints on a glass inside
• 57:09
  the Smith home and they dig deeper and find that allsup had
• 57:13
  lost a lot of money and investing in that Land Company,
• 57:18
  while lyman's returns were just fine.
• 57:23
  So of course also does not happy.
• 57:26
  He has a motive, there's a fingerprint, they bring all Sub
• 57:28
  in for questioning. He tells detectives he's been in
• 57:31
  the Smith's house before multiple times and he was there
• 57:33
  the night before the murders because they had a beer and talk
• 57:36
  business. Nonetheless, the da pursues all
• 57:39
  said for the murders and the a, he they actually go through a
• 57:42
  pretty lengthy pretrial phase before a judge dismisses, the
• 57:46
  case entirely, Joseph doesn't attack again for seven months.
• 57:52
  The police are like, did he leave again?
• 57:55
  See you dead. August 21st. 1980 is the attack
• 58:00
  on Keith and Patrice Harrington. They are found by Roger
• 58:03
  Harrington and Orange County and a dinner planned but the
• 58:06
  couple's bodies are purple. Meaning they've been there for
• 58:09
  days, this was a blitz attack while they were asleep, which
• 58:12
  was weird. and, It was out of character, right?
• 58:19
  So he pulled the covers over the sleeping family's head and beat
• 58:25
  them both. With a sprinkler from outside.
• 58:32
  They find small parts of brass and bedded in Patty skull from
• 58:36
  the sprinkler. After this, the Press named him,
• 58:40
  the Night Stalker. A 7 months pass.
• 58:44
  Nothing happens. Until February 7th. 1981 Manuela
• 58:50
  wooden's, mom can't reach her and she's not at the hospital
• 58:53
  with her husband who had surgery.
• 58:55
  Now, while his mom finds her badly raped, beaten, and half
• 58:59
  inside a sleeping bag, the sleeping bag is weird.
• 59:02
  But they learn later from her husband that she says, when she
• 59:06
  has to sleep alone in the big bed, she doesn't like it.
• 59:08
  So, she would sleep in the pool in a sleeping bag when her
• 59:12
  husband wasn't at the house. The police noticed that there
• 59:15
  are bruises on her behind, like he was punching her, another
• 59:22
  escalation that behavior. He also tried to Stage this one
• 59:26
  too, by making it look like it was a robbery and taking the TV
• 59:33
  from living room but he leaves it.
• 59:35
  Like in the backyard near the fence.
• 59:37
  Also, he really care about the TV.
• 59:39
  So he stood in chicken Nope. The investigators aren't fooled
• 59:48
  though. They Marcus does another Knights
• 59:51
  Templar attack. Six months later, there's
• 59:54
  another one. And a lot of California, the
• 59:56
  real estate agent show up to do an appraisal of a property and
• 59:59
  discover the bodies of Sherry Domingo.
• 1:00:01
  And Gregory Sanchez, the overkill here is dramatic.
• 1:00:04
  There's blood nearly, and every surface of the room.
• 1:00:08
  Sherry was hit, dozens times police wonder if Gregory tried
• 1:00:12
  to fight back because he is a bullet wound in his face that
• 1:00:15
  goes through his cheek. Maybe he would have tried to,
• 1:00:17
  like, you know, linebacker just slamming to him.
• 1:00:21
  And that's you know, in like he did he Panic shot and it went
• 1:00:25
  through his cheek but didn't actually kill him.
• 1:00:30
  They also noticed that he's not leaving the bindings behind me
• 1:00:34
  more but they continue to. They find fibers and Sherry's
• 1:00:38
  wrists and ankles, he's trying to hide his tracks now, which is
• 1:00:42
  a shift in the case. Now think stop and we know that
• 1:00:49
  that's because Joseph's working random jobs.
• 1:00:50
  They have their daughter Misha, like so many cases we've covered
• 1:00:54
  our this podcast when the murders stopped completely and
• 1:00:56
  the rape, stop, the money stops to for the task force detective,
• 1:01:00
  Carol goes back to doing her good work for Sacramento,
• 1:01:03
  focusing on rape kit, standardization, and teaching
• 1:01:06
  hospitals, what to do. But all the task force members,
• 1:01:10
  they can't keep all 80 of these people on, and a lot of them
• 1:01:13
  fade back into their regular jobs, but for Carol Can't stop
• 1:01:18
  talking to the victims and I already mentioned, Richard,
• 1:01:20
  Shelby is obsessed with this case.
• 1:01:22
  He stays obsessed for decades. For the community east of
• 1:01:26
  Sacramento has been seven years since an attack and in Southern
• 1:01:30
  California is now 5. In May of 1986 people start to
• 1:01:37
  breathe, a sigh of relief. And then the police find the
• 1:01:41
  bloody bruised body of Janelle Cruz and her Irvine home.
• 1:01:44
  She's only 18 years old, they find a size 9 sneaker print on
• 1:01:49
  her bed and also outside the home, there is an instant moment
• 1:01:54
  of panic. Is it him?
• 1:01:55
  Is he back again? Are we about to go on another
• 1:01:58
  multi year Journey with this guy?
• 1:02:01
  Janelle's house. However, is in the perfect area
• 1:02:04
  at the end of a cul-de-sac and there's a pedestrian access
• 1:02:07
  point that has a huge hedge and there's a park that leads there.
• 1:02:11
  So it's very plausible that her attacker could have parked way
• 1:02:15
  near the park entrance and just walk through there and hit near
• 1:02:18
  the Hedge and watched the arch County district attorney.
• 1:02:22
  Eric Hutch craft makes a statement and it's like, listen,
• 1:02:25
  we know, he's a peeper, we know he's a Prowler and he likes to
• 1:02:28
  watch people and we know that he was alone.
• 1:02:31
  They inform the public. That this was again.
• 1:02:33
  Another Murder By the original Night Stalker.
• 1:02:38
  Which they have to call the original Night Stalker because
• 1:02:40
  Richard Ramirez is also active in the city now, but in ela and
• 1:02:43
  the suburbs of the leg. The task forces aren't really
• 1:02:47
  reinstated but they do compare old evidence to this.
• 1:02:51
  The new set of police are kind of reinvigorated and they want
• 1:02:54
  to continue the hunt, investigators near Orange
• 1:02:57
  County, reach out to other counties with their information
• 1:03:00
  are like, can we go through your old cold cases?
• 1:03:03
  And they're like, I mean sure this takes years, but when they
• 1:03:08
  stumble upon the details of the East area, rapist, a lot of
• 1:03:12
  people are convinced. It's the same guy.
• 1:03:14
  Yeah, Moe is identical. How he The victims.
• 1:03:16
  He calls to make sure they're home, how he ties them up, it's
• 1:03:20
  not perfect by any means, but it's enough to make people want
• 1:03:22
  to keep digging. When DNA finally becomes more
• 1:03:26
  standardized in the late 90s, investigators in Orange County
• 1:03:29
  takes samples, from Manuela Whitten the harringtons and
• 1:03:32
  Janelle Cruz and test them against each other.
• 1:03:35
  It's a match in the next year, Ventura County PD and Santa
• 1:03:40
  Barbara PD, do the same with their cases and they decide to
• 1:03:45
  submit that information to the FBI.
• 1:03:49
  Newly created, combined, DNA index, or CODIS.
• 1:03:53
  What you've probably heard about on TV shows through this.
• 1:03:58
  They think six homicides, the original Night Stalker, they
• 1:04:01
  know it's all one guy but they don't know who the guy is.
• 1:04:05
  Now, the next break in this case comes in 2001.
• 1:04:10
  When investigators are Northern California working, the East
• 1:04:13
  area, rapist case, decide to test a theory and they submit
• 1:04:16
  the DNA that they got from the rape scenes to Southern
• 1:04:19
  California. Police 60 matches even more than
• 1:04:24
  they were originally aware of On April 5th. 2001.
• 1:04:29
  The Sacramento Bee runs a story about EA are ons East area.
• 1:04:34
  Rapist, original Night Stalker and it's huge about the police,
• 1:04:39
  making the connection. Now, the police are as excited
• 1:04:42
  about the process though, because DNA hasn't made its way
• 1:04:45
  all the way through the prison system yet, and there's this
• 1:04:47
  debate about the ethics of taking prisoners DNA.
• 1:04:49
  When they get pulled in the state of California is like
• 1:04:52
  listen will give, you will give you this will submit people on
• 1:04:56
  Death Rows, deep. But we're not going to submit
• 1:04:59
  every single person who comes through.
• 1:05:02
  You know, local and and state prison system.
• 1:05:07
  Orange County. Sheriff investigator Larry pool
• 1:05:09
  gets quoted in the paper saying we think he's probably in prison
• 1:05:12
  somewhere, which you know, who knows?
• 1:05:14
  He could be getting out tomorrow next week.
• 1:05:16
  Next year they're very bitter. The following day, Joseph calls
• 1:05:23
  a previous victim. And says, remember, when we
• 1:05:26
  played, it's his final call, but now the police know for sure
• 1:05:32
  he's not in prison, so they know they have to keep looking We
• 1:05:37
  insert crime writer Michelle McNamara.
• 1:05:40
  Now she launched a true crime website called True Crime.
• 1:05:43
  Diary in 2006 detailing, a long-standing fascination with
• 1:05:47
  True Crime because she was near a case.
• 1:05:48
  When she was a child, she built a career for herself and in
• 1:05:52
  2013, she starts writing articles for different La
• 1:05:55
  magazines. Between 2006 and 2013.
• 1:05:59
  Michelle has been interviewing people victims from the East are
• 1:06:03
  rapists, original Night Stalker. She is making connections and
• 1:06:07
  the police departments. In the article, she details
• 1:06:12
  information. The public never knew about
• 1:06:15
  conversations with the police, letting the public know that
• 1:06:18
  they're still investigating. She learns things that they
• 1:06:22
  hadn't released as evidence. And in the article, she calls
• 1:06:25
  him, the Golden State killer saying that they need one name
• 1:06:30
  specifically something more memorable.
• 1:06:34
  The entire world is now invested in this case, after Michelle
• 1:06:38
  releases this massive article, Paul holes the investigator for
• 1:06:43
  Contra Costa said that Michelle was very persistent, but it
• 1:06:47
  seems like she was trustworthy. And she, she was genuine and so
• 1:06:52
  she, they shared very sensitive information with her about the
• 1:06:55
  Golden State killer. A few months later, she signs a
• 1:06:59
  book deal with harpercollins to write a book.
• 1:07:01
  Based in her research, her book, I'll be gone in the dark one.
• 1:07:05
  Woman's obsessive search for the Golden State, killer was
• 1:07:08
  two-thirds of the way down when she died on April 21st 2016.
• 1:07:13
  She died from a drug overdose her True Crime, friends, Paul
• 1:07:16
  Haynes. Billy Jensen and her widower
• 1:07:19
  Patton, Oswalt would go on to finish the book.
• 1:07:21
  Two years later, it was released two months before Joseph James
• 1:07:25
  D'Angelo was caught. It was actually On the New York
• 1:07:28
  Times bestseller list. When he gets arrest I used that
• 1:07:33
  book as one of my sources for this week's podcast in a strange
• 1:07:36
  weirdness. I didn't know that Patton Oswalt
• 1:07:38
  and Michelle were married until after she died but I knew she
• 1:07:40
  was as far as being a writer and a true crime writer.
• 1:07:44
  I wanted it's weird like it's weird my head because my mom
• 1:07:49
  died four months before, Michelle, did and Patton Oswalt,
• 1:07:52
  I came across like him talking about his grief publicly, and in
• 1:07:56
  his comedy, and it just kind of it, hit me real hard because I
• 1:08:00
  was only four months deep and Still very, very hurt.
• 1:08:04
  Yeah. I read a lot and watched a lot
• 1:08:09
  of what he had to say. And I honestly I wanted to quote
• 1:08:11
  some of the things that he said here, but grief is a bitch and I
• 1:08:16
  can't sew but Michelle McNamara had a major impact.
• 1:08:23
  On this case, she brought it out of the shadows and back into the
• 1:08:26
  spotlight. People don't like to give True
• 1:08:29
  Crime content creators, the credit, but the impact of those
• 1:08:32
  articles that came out in 2013, helped with the funding that was
• 1:08:36
  necessary for what was about to happen.
• 1:08:38
  With this case, Michelle made those victims and the survivors
• 1:08:42
  real to people. And when people start to care
• 1:08:45
  wallet, start to open And that's the you know the FBI gets
• 1:08:51
  involved. They release new composite
• 1:08:53
  sketches with this information as they talked to Old victims
• 1:08:57
  again. They put out a new tip line.
• 1:09:02
  There's a 50 thousand dollar reward.
• 1:09:05
  And we have to roll back just a little bit.
• 1:09:07
  The mid 2010's bring the concept of familial DNA to the Forefront
• 1:09:10
  of investigators mind. It's been used in other states
• 1:09:14
  to successfully capture people and they want to use it.
• 1:09:17
  Here, we got big sites, like 23andMe and ancestry.com,
• 1:09:21
  they've exploded and Americans are obsessed with being able to
• 1:09:25
  find their their, their proper blood line.
• 1:09:28
  Because so much of our country is X race at this point.
• 1:09:32
  And it's groundbreaking because what used to cost Is upon
• 1:09:35
  hundreds of dollars and hundreds of hours of time.
• 1:09:39
  Now, it's just $129. You can find out what's in your
• 1:09:43
  blood Well, the police contact, a smaller website, called GED
• 1:09:50
  match. And they asked for access to
• 1:09:52
  their database and GD, match tells their users From this day
• 1:09:58
  forward, this database is going to be public to certain
• 1:10:05
  organizations. And that you have a certain
• 1:10:08
  amount of time before you can remove your DNA if you want to.
• 1:10:13
  The police use one of as they called it, the abandoned DNA
• 1:10:17
  samples from one of the rape-murders and the website
• 1:10:21
  gives them roughly 10 to 20, people all connected through a
• 1:10:25
  set of great-great-great-grandparents
• 1:10:28
  like back to like the 1700s and those match the 10 murders in
• 1:10:33
  California. So the DA's office is like, do
• 1:10:36
  it again. They get the same results, there
• 1:10:41
  is this moment of pure joy for the offer sister who have now
• 1:10:44
  been working on this case for decades but it's still not
• 1:10:48
  enough. They have to begin creating a
• 1:10:52
  family tree, and then potentially testing people they
• 1:10:56
  linked to it, or eliminating them, in some form.
• 1:10:59
  This process takes months of tracking down.
• 1:11:03
  We're looking through newspapers, birth records, death
• 1:11:05
  records obituaries engagement, announcements wedding
• 1:11:07
  announcements to try and build this family tree.
• 1:11:11
  And from that point on, they now have to connect where all these
• 1:11:15
  people were living. While the attacks were active in
• 1:11:19
  California, and there's two of them.
• 1:11:22
  One of the folks is contacted in eliminated by a DNA test.
• 1:11:25
  Leaving one man, Joseph James DeAngelo.
• 1:11:30
  Now 17 years old, he is a seven The police began stocking, Joe's
• 1:11:41
  house and also him, they just are following him.
• 1:11:45
  And when he's inside of a Hobby Lobby, they take a DNA swab of
• 1:11:48
  his door handle and they also take some of the trash from
• 1:11:51
  outside of his house. At this point, Sharon is no
• 1:11:53
  longer living there. The people living at the house
• 1:11:56
  are Joseph. His eldest daughter Misha and
• 1:12:00
  her daughter who was 19. So there's DNA markers to
• 1:12:07
  determine if someone is female or male.
• 1:12:09
  So the, the of the DNA they didn't need as quickly,
• 1:12:12
  eliminated the police, don't forgive him right away though,
• 1:12:16
  they wait a couple months as they build the case against him
• 1:12:20
  and on April 24th. 2018, the Sacramento Sheriff's office,
• 1:12:23
  arrest 72 years old, Jace, Joseph James DeAngelo at his
• 1:12:29
  home in Citrus. Heights, the community is
• 1:12:32
  surprised to know that their friend and neighbor is a serial
• 1:12:35
  killer There was one guy, I was really funny.
• 1:12:38
  He was just like I just learned about this case and was looking
• 1:12:40
  into it. The guy live five blocks away
• 1:12:43
  from me They charged him with eight counts of first-degree
• 1:12:47
  murder with special circumstances.
• 1:12:49
  And then three weeks later on May 10th the Santa Barbara
• 1:12:52
  County District, Attorney's, Office charges him, but the
• 1:12:54
  additional four counts of first-degree murder.
• 1:12:57
  They cannot charge him with any of the rapes or burglaries
• 1:12:59
  because the statute of limitations expired before.
• 1:13:04
  California determined that there would be no statute of
• 1:13:07
  limitations on rape that happened in 2016.
• 1:13:11
  So, because these cases and the mean, it ended literally,
• 1:13:15
  Decades before that was passed in the state, they cannot add
• 1:13:21
  them Joseph's. Lawyer immediately tries to get
• 1:13:24
  the, the DNA situation with GD, match thrown out there.
• 1:13:28
  Like, listen, this company didn't disclose that.
• 1:13:30
  Private consumer data will be used in an investigation except
• 1:13:34
  they totally did. And so they're like, nothing's
• 1:13:39
  getting thrown out. Bring bring bring your boy on
• 1:13:42
  and we need to talk to him. Joseph's interrogation is
• 1:13:46
  cleared. Yaks confused.
• 1:13:50
  He keeps bringing up. Somebody named Jerry saying
• 1:13:53
  things like I didn't have the strength to push him out.
• 1:13:55
  He made me, he went with me. It was like, in my head, I mean,
• 1:13:59
  he's a part of me. I didn't want to do those
• 1:14:01
  things. I push Jerry out and had a happy
• 1:14:03
  life but I did all those things. I destroyed their lives.
• 1:14:06
  So now I've got to pay the price The police aren't buying this
• 1:14:10
  though and Bonnie clicks for them.
• 1:14:14
  When they find his wedding announcement, the body that he
• 1:14:17
  talked about at the 37th rate and then they talked to Jim
• 1:14:21
  huddle, his brother-in-law and Jim huddle, tells the police
• 1:14:25
  that Joe talked to him about how Bonnie was his one true love.
• 1:14:31
  That's before he married his sister Shannon Sharon.
• 1:14:36
  So D'Angelo gets arraigned Sacramento, August 23rd, 2018 on
• 1:14:41
  an April 10th, 2019, Court proceeding, prosecutors
• 1:14:45
  announced they intend to seek the death penalty judge rules
• 1:14:48
  that cameras will be allowed inside the courtroom during the
• 1:14:50
  here during the trials. On March 4th, 2020 D'Angelo
• 1:14:58
  offers to plead guilty if the death penalty is taken off the
• 1:15:01
  table, The Da Box. Absolutely not no way.
• 1:15:08
  But the prior November, they prosecutors from different
• 1:15:13
  counties, six of them to be exact sat down and what this is
• 1:15:17
  going to cost the taxpayers 20 million dollars and probably
• 1:15:20
  last 10 years. So, four months later on, June
• 1:15:25
  29th, the prosecutors amend their original statement and
• 1:15:32
  they say that they will allow DeAngelo to plead guilty to 13
• 1:15:35
  counts of first degree murder, under special circumstances,
• 1:15:39
  including murder committed during burglaries and rapes as
• 1:15:42
  well as 13 counts of kidnapping in exchange for removing the
• 1:15:45
  death penalty. August 21st, 2020, 44 years,
• 1:15:51
  after he raped his first known victim.
• 1:15:53
  He will be sentenced for his crimes.
• 1:15:57
  Because it is the middle of covid.
• 1:16:01
  It's not wild it's only happened two years ago.
• 1:16:03
  Oh my God. It's still throws me for a loop
• 1:16:07
  that it took so long. The like I remember watching it.
• 1:16:10
  But so what San Francisco does is that like, listen, stop
• 1:16:16
  Sacramento, not feel like people deserve, like the people who are
• 1:16:19
  affected by this, and the community affected, by this
• 1:16:22
  deserve, to be allowed to see this sentencing.
• 1:16:26
  And because of the, you know, six feet requirements in That
• 1:16:30
  were public at the time. They actually hold.
• 1:16:35
  This sentencing hearing at a makeshift courtroom at
• 1:16:42
  Sacramento University and they also utilize a nearby Ballroom
• 1:16:46
  for the Overflow gallery. Joseph shows up for his
• 1:16:51
  sentencing in a wheelchair looking, frail and pathetic.
• 1:16:59
  But the prosecution was ready for that.
• 1:17:03
  And in fact had given the have a judge videos of mr.
• 1:17:10
  Di Angelo and his cell prior to his sentencing.
• 1:17:14
  In those videos he is not a frail little man.
• 1:17:17
  He is jumping around his cell exercise in doing pull-ups
• 1:17:23
  climbing on his bed and in a real creepy way, he's putting
• 1:17:27
  like his blankets over the lights.
• 1:17:29
  Which is something that he would sometimes do with the rape
• 1:17:32
  victims. So, even in prison, he's trying
• 1:17:34
  to relive memories never die. I guess.
• 1:17:39
  So judge Michael Bowman decides to sit D'Angelo and the defense
• 1:17:43
  team. Those are attorneys Joseph Crest
• 1:17:45
  Alice, Michael and Diane Howard facing him instead of the rest
• 1:17:50
  of the crowd. He wants to talk directly to Joe
• 1:17:54
  as the prosecutors painstakingly goes through every single crime.
• 1:18:02
  For the people watching both in the courtroom and at home, this
• 1:18:04
  is shocking. And then they move into the
• 1:18:08
  impact statements, which take three days?
• 1:18:13
  I'm gonna give you a couple of them.
• 1:18:16
  Gay Hardwick was victim, 39, and she talked about how he attacked
• 1:18:23
  them while they were sleeping. She said, he kidnapped me from
• 1:18:26
  my bed. Brittany repeatedly, sodomize me
• 1:18:29
  forced oral copulation. Try, imagine me with threats of
• 1:18:33
  death for me, and my loved ones. Should I make a sound or resist
• 1:18:36
  in any way? The aftermath of this attack has
• 1:18:38
  been with me for 42 years, Ken Smith, the brother of victims,
• 1:18:44
  Katie and Brian. As you're told Joe, you're not
• 1:18:49
  important. We'll remember, Katie and Bryan
• 1:18:51
  for the rest of our lives, but after your sentence, you'll be a
• 1:18:54
  nobody It's a bit hop. The daughter of Claude Snelling.
• 1:19:00
  Also spoke that day and she said for many years I felt guilt for
• 1:19:03
  what happened that night. I felt maybe there was something
• 1:19:06
  I could have done or said to warn my dad to stay there and
• 1:19:09
  not come out. It wasn't until I became a
• 1:19:11
  parent myself. I realized there was nothing I
• 1:19:13
  could have done to keep my dad from China Sea.
• 1:19:16
  My dad died, saving my life that night and he was my hero.
• 1:19:20
  Let s and angers me the most is D'Angelo was able to live a
• 1:19:24
  normal life with his family for all those years while my family
• 1:19:27
  could not be with my dad, Debbie Domingo, McCullen.
• 1:19:31
  The daughter of Sherry Domingo spoke.
• 1:19:35
  She said, Wendy Angelo stole, my mom for me.
• 1:19:38
  He didn't just take away a person from my daily routine.
• 1:19:40
  He stole my vision of the future.
• 1:19:42
  He took away my desire and my passion to look ahead set goals.
• 1:19:46
  Strive for Success. He left me, empty today, the
• 1:19:50
  devil losses and Justice wins today.
• 1:19:52
  I am the Victor in a battle of Good and Evil.
• 1:19:57
  Bonnie wasn't allowed to talk, but she was there and Bonnie and
• 1:20:02
  Jane Carson became buddies over time.
• 1:20:04
  And when Jane Carson made her statement, she Referenced Bonnie
• 1:20:11
  and what Bonnie will through which and kind of a moment of
• 1:20:15
  solidarity. Finally, after three days of all
• 1:20:20
  these people talking. Joseph gets up from his
• 1:20:25
  wheelchair. Takes off his covid mandated
• 1:20:28
  mask and he addresses the court. He's like I listen to all your
• 1:20:31
  statements. Each one of them.
• 1:20:33
  I'm truly sorry for everyone. I'm hurt.
• 1:20:37
  And 16 and he receives 12 life sentences plus eight years it
• 1:20:42
  will never be enough for what he's done.
• 1:20:46
  As of today, he is incarcerated in protective custody at
• 1:20:49
  California, State, Prison Corcoran.
• 1:20:53
  His family does not wish to be contacted in any way and they
• 1:20:56
  went virtually nothing to do with him.
• 1:20:58
  Sharon made one public statement after she divorced him and 2018
• 1:21:04
  and she said, the defendants criminal actions have had a
• 1:21:06
  devastating and pervasive effect on my life and my family.
• 1:21:09
  I will never be the same person and now, live every day with the
• 1:21:12
  knowledge of how he attacked and damaged hundreds of innocent
• 1:21:15
  lives and murdered 13. Innocent people who were loved
• 1:21:18
  and now have been missed for 40 years or more.
• 1:21:20
  I live every day with post-traumatic distress where I
• 1:21:23
  know Unexpected noise, or movement can be perceived by my
• 1:21:25
  mind as a threat to me. Simple everyday experiences,
• 1:21:28
  such as a car moving from one lane to another bring fear once
• 1:21:32
  while shopping at Trader. Joe's grocery store a hand
• 1:21:34
  touched my forearm. While I was looking into a
• 1:21:36
  freezer, my heart began to race in my body jolted.
• 1:21:40
  I was terrified that I was about to be harmed.
• 1:21:43
  When in reality it was someone I knew who just wanted to say
• 1:21:45
  hello. I've lost my ability to trust
• 1:21:48
  people. I trusted the defendant when he
• 1:21:50
  told me he had to work her. He was going for isn't hunting
• 1:21:53
  are going to visit his parents, hundreds of miles away.
• 1:21:57
  I worked graveyard shifts at Jack In The Box, fast-food
• 1:21:59
  restaurant and at Placer County. Juvenile Hall at times, I
• 1:22:03
  studied late into the night and at law school when I was not
• 1:22:06
  around, I trusted, he was doing what he told me he was doing
• 1:22:09
  now, without that ability to trust my relationships.
• 1:22:11
  With other people have been severely impacted.
• 1:22:14
  I wish that nothing I say here. Will detract from any other
• 1:22:17
  person's impact statement. You said Bonnie does want to be
• 1:22:21
  contacted his kids A few interviews and his eldest
• 1:22:24
  daughter did make an impact statement as well.
• 1:22:27
  Mainly she just was shocked. She was just like, this is what?
• 1:22:31
  He's a good guy. He's my dad, he's a nice guy.
• 1:22:34
  He was a good guy. He raised my daughter.
• 1:22:36
  He's a good guy. Like she is just completely out
• 1:22:39
  of like shocked. Like there was nothing that like
• 1:22:42
  me should consider. Like there's some cognitive
• 1:22:45
  dissonance happening there, because they have DNA evidence,
• 1:22:47
  there's no qualms and your dad admitted it, you know?
• 1:22:51
  So I think she can really do about that.
• 1:22:53
  And a few of his victims like Jane Carson or crisper Jetty.
• 1:22:58
  Chris was the 15 year old wrote their own books.
• 1:23:02
  Describing their path to healing and those will be listed in the
• 1:23:07
  notes because those are also books that I read and I feel
• 1:23:10
  like if anybody should make some money off of a True Crime Story,
• 1:23:13
  it's one of the victims. They should they should get a
• 1:23:16
  cut of. Yeah, what happened here?
• 1:23:19
  But uh, I really don't feel like the police.
• 1:23:24
  Did anything wrong here? This was one of those cases
• 1:23:26
  where they ignored the people for dinner were supposed to do.
• 1:23:30
  It was just, we didn't have, they were constantly hunting.
• 1:23:34
  They were on from They never gave up goodness.
• 1:23:46
  Yeah, that's a conclusion and he just looks so smug.
• 1:23:50
  If you look at his face you just wanna punch him.
• 1:23:54
  His smug face. Yeah.
• 1:23:56
  He has a punchable face. Absolute a truly punch good.
• 1:24:03
  Yeah, you know, a lot of that. Like I put in most of our On the
• 1:24:09
  website, which is so upset. I put all the sources, you know,
• 1:24:14
  you want to support these people who are still being impacted
• 1:24:17
  because they'd only happened two years ago that they only caught
• 1:24:22
  him. You know why those people?
• 1:24:25
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:24:28
  They went through hell, they deserve to get a little money
• 1:24:31
  somewhere in this horrible process.
• 1:24:34
  So I got that was a good one. That was it's nice to have a
• 1:24:41
  decent. Yeah, yeah yeah.
• 1:24:45
  So rare I'll give you that. I'll give you that one.
• 1:24:52
  Okay. Well, this week.
• 1:24:58
  I was juggling between topics to talk about, so I was like, I
• 1:25:03
  want to talk about this, but that looks like now something I
• 1:25:04
  was like, who well, this one seems more interesting.
• 1:25:10
  Okay, so this week, as many of you may or may not have seen,
• 1:25:19
  And the recent Jordan Peele movie.
• 1:25:23
  Nope, it's really, really good, really good like just don't
• 1:25:29
  stare at Clouds so people who didn't get it, don't understand.
• 1:25:34
  But the people who get it, get it if, you know, you know.
• 1:25:37
  Oh hell yeah. Oh, Listen, I will listen to
• 1:25:44
  that, was out again. I love it.
• 1:25:49
  I love it. So we talking about aliens,
• 1:25:52
  well, sort of not really hmm. Okay, what's Wild do is after I
• 1:26:02
  saw that I learned like after I watched, nope I learned that
• 1:26:04
  they actually have a name. So we have different things so
• 1:26:08
  like, you know, we see like not a lot and idle and Light
• 1:26:11
  anomalies in the sky and whatnot but they actually so now it's
• 1:26:15
  unidentified. You ap's, you know, you APS now
• 1:26:20
  but then there's also another name for you a peas that are
• 1:26:22
  biological in nature. I was just like oh how cool?
• 1:26:29
  You know, identified aerial phenomena but apparently they
• 1:26:32
  are aware that some of the you APS are biological news or what
• 1:26:38
  we're talking about. We're talking about today.
• 1:26:43
  Oh no. Today, the topic is atmospheric
• 1:26:48
  beasts. Whoa, I know nothing.
• 1:26:55
  I just learned that these things even existed like a month and a
• 1:26:58
  half ago. All right, so ready for anybody,
• 1:27:02
  who doesn't know atmosphere beasts are there, basically
• 1:27:09
  creatures that live in our atmosphere they may or may not
• 1:27:14
  be from Earth. Some some speculate they are
• 1:27:18
  like Earth. Animals, select / things.
• 1:27:24
  And some, you know, think that you're just aliens are visiting
• 1:27:28
  or they got trapped here in our atmosphere and they live there.
• 1:27:33
  Now, um, So there are many many, many sightings of these types of
• 1:27:43
  creatures. I am adding to pictures into the
• 1:27:47
  chat right now. I'm gone.
• 1:27:54
  I'm gone. I want to see why I'm if it
• 1:27:56
  looks like the ones I have. I have other pictures of those
• 1:27:59
  2. Okay, okay.
• 1:28:02
  Yeah see. So I've been watched a lot of
• 1:28:04
  fright club, which you folks don't know.
• 1:28:07
  It's a show that they created during quarantine with Jack
• 1:28:10
  Osbourne because he does Go stuff and the ghost brothers who
• 1:28:13
  are these three black guys who also hunt ghosts and they all
• 1:28:16
  sit and they look at clips and stuff.
• 1:28:18
  And so I feel like about half of their content is Alien related
• 1:28:24
  and they're very into it. And so like they've posted all
• 1:28:27
  sort, they see they should get all sorts of weird stuff and
• 1:28:32
  it's weird. It's scary looking.
• 1:28:37
  So a lot. None of them look like little.
• 1:28:42
  So there are some that actually. So, with the thing, atmospheres
• 1:28:47
  atmospheric beasts is there like couple different variations of
• 1:28:52
  these. You have your pictures.
• 1:28:55
  I just sent you there called Sky serpents and there are other
• 1:29:01
  ones that are called like atmospheric jellyfish.
• 1:29:06
  Yeah, I've seen those and look at the wall that, like, when I
• 1:29:10
  saw a picture of that, I was like, you know what, that looks
• 1:29:12
  like. Okay.
• 1:29:13
  So, I'm going off topic right now.
• 1:29:15
  I don't care. So there's a little Pokémon,
• 1:29:21
  right? It's it's, it's one of the newer
• 1:29:24
  ones and it's called like an ultra Beast.
• 1:29:27
  Okay. And, and it looks just like an
• 1:29:31
  atmospheric jellyfish. Does it come you know, and not
• 1:29:37
  that weird though, right? Because a lot of Pokemon are big
• 1:29:42
  animals, real animals, and, and real creatures, some of them are
• 1:29:47
  based off of lore and mythology. Like the lady with the hat, you
• 1:29:51
  had had on the back of her head thing.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, so I mean, the Pokemon have been getting inspiration
• 1:29:58
  from the weird and wild of life for a while.
• 1:30:00
  Don't ask me where I'm a chocolate came from.
• 1:30:03
  There's a little guy, the people are one of the weirdest ones but
• 1:30:07
  the ones based off of society are super interesting.
• 1:30:11
  So the fact that they this quickly, I feel like this name
• 1:30:15
  atmospheric Beast can have existed for very long, and they
• 1:30:17
  already made a Pokemon piece off of, its kind of hilarious.
• 1:30:24
  So yeah, those are tight. The two types and talk about.
• 1:30:27
  I'm going to add another one in as well because some people
• 1:30:30
  think that this is also an atmosphere of Peace, which is
• 1:30:33
  actually it's not an atmosphere of peace is actually just a
• 1:30:37
  trick of the camera and I was like I'll tell you about that
• 1:30:40
  one. No, not bull like that.
• 1:30:45
  But yeah, I'd like a sphere. A jellyfish are just like flying
• 1:30:48
  jellyfish. And I think that's like the type
• 1:30:52
  of creature like, Jordan Peele put in his movie.
• 1:30:56
  If yes, the yeah, it does look like no spoilers.
• 1:31:00
  Sorry. Yeah, if me see if I now didn't,
• 1:31:02
  I don't care. Sorry, spoilers.
• 1:31:06
  We're just telling you that the monster looks kind of like, what
• 1:31:09
  baby. Yeah.
• 1:31:10
  Ryan talking about. We won't tell you any of the
• 1:31:12
  others are so many references. Okay?
• 1:31:20
  Anyway, so atmospheric jellyfish are actually also a type of UFO
• 1:31:29
  as well or it's like, I guess you say you AP now.
• 1:31:33
  Yeah, you AP is now but yeah, they're definitely you APS and,
• 1:31:37
  you know, they could be a UFO because very are sometimes.
• 1:31:41
  Taken for UFOs because of the shape of their bodies.
• 1:31:47
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:31:48
  Excellent. And this has been cited by
• 1:31:53
  Hundreds of different people from all across the world.
• 1:31:59
  Yet meteorology meeting you meteorology.
• 1:32:03
  God, I cannot say that word. Meaner meteor knowledge achill,
• 1:32:08
  scientist. And like, you got military
• 1:32:13
  people seeing it, especially that people in Navy, whenever
• 1:32:16
  they're out. Well yeah, I mean the defense
• 1:32:21
  release details of thumb but yeah.
• 1:32:25
  See So this is like the sightings have been going on
• 1:32:30
  since like the mid-twentieth century and they even like I
• 1:32:34
  said cited, like hundreds of times it's a it's I guess.
• 1:32:39
  This is a it is a newer UFO. UAP, citing thing you I'm going
• 1:32:45
  to say you keep saying UFO because you know, it's UFO.
• 1:32:50
  Grew up on UFOs. And it like it's a new one that
• 1:32:54
  is starting to be like research and stuff like that and a lot of
• 1:32:58
  people are not more people were talking about it now and there
• 1:33:03
  are a ton of different sightings of the Giants of this flying
• 1:33:07
  jellyfish. Like there's a Norwegian
• 1:33:10
  sighting and it was sighted in Norway by / Arn.
• 1:33:18
  And I come sorry anyway / Arne right?
• 1:33:23
  And it's a leading the leading scientists theorize that it may
• 1:33:27
  have been caused by light from the Aurora being bounced off of
• 1:33:32
  a space satellite. But there's not, there's no
• 1:33:37
  picture of it, but I see it all the other pictures and just like
• 1:33:42
  there's no way because there's this one if I can share it like
• 1:33:50
  that. There's one called a of Flying
• 1:33:56
  Flying Dutch flying jellyfish. And this was the spot in the
• 1:34:02
  Netherlands and a man named Harry person is one of the
• 1:34:07
  checked it out and he like I guess it was after a storm and
• 1:34:11
  he went to take pictures for his blog, right?
• 1:34:14
  And you know he's you know, this guy is, it looks so beautiful
• 1:34:17
  there and then if In this, that's real.
• 1:34:26
  No, no. It looks like it's like fake
• 1:34:29
  ones. You like to shoot.
• 1:34:31
  Ya. Like a shooting off and stuff
• 1:34:33
  rocket. Yes, streaming through the sky.
• 1:34:37
  Yeah, I was sure that that was like, one of the Photoshop ones
• 1:34:41
  because people love like, photoshopping, like Animals Sky
• 1:34:45
  and all sorts of things I did. I am one of those people that
• 1:34:50
  like if you can see not all your full pictures, I'm going to
• 1:34:53
  believe are real but like something like this.
• 1:34:55
  It's like yeah. It's kind of hard to fake.
• 1:34:57
  I mean that really you got Photoshop now but older
• 1:35:01
  pictures. Yeah.
• 1:35:05
  Yeah, it's interesting though. It's an interesting.
• 1:35:08
  It looks like a jellyfish. No tentacles.
• 1:35:11
  It really does like bottom of it.
• 1:35:17
  There's another one. From China and it was spotted by
• 1:35:24
  it. You know, Chinese Air Force and
• 1:35:26
  Chinese Air Force, pilot and 140, ground troops or ground
• 1:35:32
  officials. And this happened Monday,
• 1:35:36
  October 19th to the 1998. And there's no picture of it,
• 1:35:42
  but there's like an artist rendition of it, of course, the
• 1:35:45
  airplane, flight airplane, flying in the sky and then off
• 1:35:49
  in the distance, you see this, okay green shape looking thing
• 1:35:54
  that's moving around like, you know, flying jellyfish.
• 1:36:00
  It's just, it's just weird. But yet.
• 1:36:09
  I saw a video of one of those like serpent things, but it was,
• 1:36:12
  like, okay, well, I'm gonna ground.
• 1:36:16
  It was in which, for me because I took like, when I was younger
• 1:36:20
  and like, I say younger, but I'm talking about, like, my early
• 1:36:23
  twenties of You know, I like taking pictures of the sky and
• 1:36:33
  stuff and and I have this one picture, it's on my Facebook
• 1:36:38
  that I took a picture this guy and you just the way the clouds
• 1:36:42
  were just it look like waves in the sky and I mean like the wind
• 1:36:48
  blew it some type of way and just like it was just a roll of
• 1:36:51
  waves going across honestly. Yes, well, okay, I got one for
• 1:37:00
  you, ready for this? Think about what an old Flying
• 1:37:03
  Saucer looks like. I have a picture.
• 1:37:09
  That I took in Virginia. Standing on one of the but you
• 1:37:16
  know that long bridge that takes you to Virginia Beach.
• 1:37:21
  My family unwisely allowed me to take all the photos and so there
• 1:37:25
  are just photos that I took of the sky looking out at the
• 1:37:29
  water. So many of them.
• 1:37:31
  My mom was like, when I got these back right knee, but in
• 1:37:36
  one of these pictures that I took, while I was standing on,
• 1:37:38
  like the bridge because there's a section of goes underwater
• 1:37:42
  above, Water. And then there's a good gift
• 1:37:43
  shop where up there at the gift shop area.
• 1:37:46
  It looks like an honest, there's like an outline of a like an
• 1:37:49
  old-timey, Flying Saucer so much.
• 1:37:51
  I it looks so much like the old picture like the old like movie
• 1:37:54
  things. That I was sure that like,
• 1:37:55
  somebody messed with the picture because this was filmed, that's
• 1:37:58
  true. But the thing is film, can be
• 1:38:00
  tweaked that picture. I just So do that picture, you
• 1:38:06
  have a school, I'll have to find mine.
• 1:38:08
  I remember where it is, and might be in a photo album
• 1:38:11
  somewhere in my apartment, but, and I was just like, that's a
• 1:38:16
  flying saucer and I never thought anything of it.
• 1:38:19
  Again, I just kind of was like, that's weird.
• 1:38:21
  And my mom was like here, all these pictures of the ocean that
• 1:38:25
  you took and like, plop them on me.
• 1:38:27
  Like it's just the ocean and I'm like, I thought it was a pretty
• 1:38:34
  Figured myself as a. Oh my God, tiger fur.
• 1:38:39
  So I took even like sunsets or nothing.
• 1:38:44
  It's just plain old. I love it.
• 1:38:50
  Oh my God. You don't let you ten-year-old
• 1:38:53
  be the cameraman. But yeah, I that I saw as
• 1:39:03
  awesome as also. I love it.
• 1:39:04
  I love it, but it's cool. So as the other type of
• 1:39:10
  atmospheres atmospheric a beast, I was speaking it on.
• 1:39:14
  Was this guy serpent? Which my picture kind of looks
• 1:39:17
  like it's the back of a serpent. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:23
  And they're basically flying snakes in the sky or maybe even
• 1:39:29
  dragons that that just you know they float or they fly in the
• 1:39:36
  air and they You know what though?
• 1:39:42
  I would feel like. And I would feel like, what do
• 1:39:48
  you miss the aliens. By creating creating an image of
• 1:39:55
  something that we know to be fantasy.
• 1:39:58
  I can see that like these people over here believes all the
• 1:40:00
  stupid shit a brick, making it up this way and we're up here
• 1:40:08
  real. Yes.
• 1:40:11
  But there they move like like a how you know how snake moves
• 1:40:15
  into water or like a snake moves on the ground?
• 1:40:17
  They just you know, undulate back and forth to fly.
• 1:40:21
  And normally how that's how the littles the sky snakes or Sky.
• 1:40:24
  Serpents fly or like most Asian dragons that have the ability to
• 1:40:31
  fly dates lately, like 3D Lady Rainicorn, who is Korean?
• 1:40:35
  And she just, you know, flies on the, the, like waves, whatever.
• 1:40:39
  Anyway, but yeah, those pictures I sent you, those are sky
• 1:40:44
  serpents. and apparently, we watch the same videos, so,
• 1:40:56
  Because I said it looks like it. Like, was it like a parking lot?
• 1:40:59
  Like, kind of moved around the light and the people are pretty
• 1:41:05
  unsure if they believe that Sky serpents are real.
• 1:41:11
  They because mainly they like the picture I sent you.
• 1:41:13
  They look just like clouds. Like that could be a cloud.
• 1:41:18
  Okay, not that one. No, not that one in the parking
• 1:41:21
  lot, not wanting a parking lot. Which one?
• 1:41:26
  But no, this doesn't look like a god to me.
• 1:41:28
  Oh yeah. That like.
• 1:41:30
  Well, I'm looking at the one where you can it's the sunset.
• 1:41:33
  Okay. Yeah.
• 1:41:33
  Okay. Come.
• 1:41:34
  It's distinctly different from the other clouds.
• 1:41:41
  So I think I don't know if you get explaining this like a what
• 1:41:43
  do you call that? Like when the the that might be
• 1:41:46
  you do the cool flame playing and it leaves those streaks in
• 1:41:48
  the sky. Like maybe somebody did like a
• 1:41:51
  spin up. Like that makes sense to me, but
• 1:41:54
  like not that this is a cloud. Why is this Cloud suddenly
• 1:41:57
  going? Yeah.
• 1:41:57
  Yeah. Opposite direction of all the
• 1:41:59
  other Cloud, I mean, straight up, but some people are like,
• 1:42:05
  maybe maybe they are atmospheric piece, or maybe they're just
• 1:42:08
  like Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:42:12
  Or maybe just a UFO that you know mr.
• 1:42:15
  Kannada. Is it look like a living
• 1:42:16
  creature? Ever know.
• 1:42:22
  Just because it's like a supernatural stuff, so you never
• 1:42:25
  know. And yeah, I mean, I think that's
• 1:42:30
  why they changed the name to unidentified aerial phenomenon.
• 1:42:35
  But I mean like there's another one that I remember, seeing of
• 1:42:39
  like the snake that looks like, you know, how like it do they
• 1:42:43
  used to do the little wand and they would make the Disney
• 1:42:45
  picture. It looks like somebody like one
• 1:42:48
  of those and just like tripled in the sky talk about the Mickey
• 1:42:53
  Mouse symbol, you know, picture. I'm talking about No, it should
• 1:42:59
  like that. Apparently this is a lightning
• 1:43:11
  but I don't know. Because this looks like somebody
• 1:43:15
  had like those light sticks and just swish it around in the sky.
• 1:43:26
  Apparently, that picture is lightning and I'm like, that
• 1:43:28
  seems weird to me. I get legitimately looks like
• 1:43:34
  the clouds are opening up. That was March 2007.
• 1:43:42
  Hmm. What is it?
• 1:43:47
  Let me see. Yeah, so they that the people
• 1:43:54
  who posted select certain phenomena are easily confused
• 1:43:56
  with a piece like Miss Alice for shown here.
• 1:44:00
  Lightning related is also know and I'm like, oh, I believe
• 1:44:04
  doesn't look like any lightning I've ever seen.
• 1:44:08
  What it looks like. Yeah, I is opening up but do you
• 1:44:10
  see how the clouds are almost curled?
• 1:44:12
  Around the light? That's also there's a break in
• 1:44:15
  the sky, that's wild. It's like in other than it's
• 1:44:22
  like when like fire tornado started being a thing, I need
• 1:44:25
  more and I was like, what? What of tornado of fire?
• 1:44:33
  That's cool. And also terrifying.
• 1:44:36
  That is cool though. Oh, right, so have you heard of
• 1:44:43
  are rods before? You have.
• 1:44:50
  All right. So are I don't.
• 1:44:52
  Okay. So are rods are basic.
• 1:44:55
  What are are rods? I've heard of the okay.
• 1:45:06
  Is it there either? Okay, are rods and cones skyfish
• 1:45:10
  or flying rods. Um basically okay are just a
• 1:45:18
  tube of something. Flying across the sky. and, Oh,
• 1:45:27
  that looks so careful goodness, yes.
• 1:45:30
  Yeah, it does, doesn't it? Yeah, it's like a lot of people
• 1:45:39
  thing real fast. And then I've see, I've seen
• 1:45:44
  some higher than a bug, like, I'm looking at some that seem
• 1:45:47
  way higher than a bud, Lou apparently.
• 1:45:50
  Yeah, apparently are rods have never been seen with the naked
• 1:45:54
  eye by the naked, eye at all. But you can definitely pick them
• 1:45:58
  up on like, you know, a camera. Like if you pull your phone out,
• 1:46:03
  take a picture. Boom.
• 1:46:04
  You're good to go. You probably might catch a ride
• 1:46:07
  in one of your pictures. Um, so Are rods are really a
• 1:46:17
  thing. What they are saying Well, my
• 1:46:25
  favorite is when people are trying to like, I'm looking at
• 1:46:30
  some of that, right? Yeah.
• 1:46:31
  Those are odds aren't saying they're actually, it's a hoax.
• 1:46:39
  I'd say, but it's a, it's a camera trick or it's a trick of
• 1:46:45
  light with the camera. So, they are actually.
• 1:46:52
  It's a bug actually it's a bug. So it's possible that a very
• 1:46:57
  fast bug with its wings flapping that make it look like it's just
• 1:47:00
  a cylindrical thing that's flying through the sky.
• 1:47:09
  There's only one that I'm not sure about it being a bug
• 1:47:12
  because it looks so clear. All the rest of them look very
• 1:47:16
  blurry, like it's moving too fast.
• 1:47:19
  That's usually what they're they classified as because they're
• 1:47:22
  like, it's just like a smudging, like it's going too fast, so you
• 1:47:26
  can't really catch the wings. So it just looks like I don't
• 1:47:31
  like. Just look at the top left left
• 1:47:37
  in the picture. I sent you, I mean okay, yeah.
• 1:47:42
  Okay. That's the only one that's like,
• 1:47:49
  what is that? That feels like.
• 1:47:50
  That could be something else. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:47:52
  I can totally get the one on the top.
• 1:47:54
  Right. That looks like a buck to me.
• 1:47:55
  Yeah. Yep, that's exactly.
• 1:47:57
  That's exactly why he tried to take a picture of a dragonfly
• 1:47:59
  with like a cell phone. You actually have to have a
• 1:48:04
  camera that has a pretty solid in for fire anime fans, who who
• 1:48:11
  are very cultured. They in that.
• 1:48:17
  Who are who are very cultured and watch, JoJo's Bizarre,
• 1:48:19
  Adventure or who the rental there is a, they make reference
• 1:48:23
  to are rods in the, which one was it?
• 1:48:27
  Was it the I think it's Parts. This is the part that's out
• 1:48:31
  right now. I think that's the part that's
• 1:48:32
  out right now. They are rods.
• 1:48:33
  Okay? Don't want Jolene in the prison
• 1:48:39
  escaping prison? That one stone ocean.
• 1:48:43
  Sam would knows that Sam knows it.
• 1:48:45
  Oh, You right Sam. What do I immediately?
• 1:48:52
  My brain thought the new episodes but yet and there you
• 1:48:56
  go. We're talking about you, oh
• 1:49:03
  goodness. But yeah, like, I love the idea
• 1:49:09
  of like creatures besides Birds, living up in our atmosphere, and
• 1:49:15
  living living in the sky. I know, birds are freaking Faker
• 1:49:19
  cameras. Well, I mean, that's all I'm
• 1:49:20
  talking about is only conspiracy Crypt.
• 1:49:25
  Tricking us. They are fake.
• 1:49:33
  They're drones here to spy on us.
• 1:49:36
  We're play Fallout 4, you know, the birds aren't real.
• 1:49:42
  Hey, oh no, the birds are not real.
• 1:49:51
  I played Fallout 4. What remember, we're going off
• 1:49:54
  topic again. But fuck it.
• 1:49:56
  I'm going to talk about it now. We'll talk about this
• 1:50:00
  afterwards, okay. We'll listen to it, they like
• 1:50:03
  the conspiracy stop 200k. Anyway, Birds aren't real, but
• 1:50:11
  atmospheric piece is a may be real.
• 1:50:14
  Just like any other Cryptid. That's why I'm talking about
• 1:50:16
  today because it's, they're basically a Cryptid but also an
• 1:50:20
  alien but also a UFO also. I don't know.
• 1:50:29
  I just Yeah. I mean, that's really where it
• 1:50:35
  is with this. I'm gonna go back to the
• 1:50:36
  atmospheric jellyfish for a second.
• 1:50:38
  Like there. There, there are a ton.
• 1:50:41
  Like I said, it's on the sightings.
• 1:50:42
  They go back to the 70s, actually, and the first one that
• 1:50:49
  is like, cited is actually what they based in SCP off of as
• 1:50:53
  well. We sure as hell do.
• 1:51:00
  And it was in, I guess it was Danish.
• 1:51:03
  The Davis military. They saw this one and it looks
• 1:51:05
  just like a freaking jellyfish in the sky.
• 1:51:08
  That's like, like not were like to China cannot relate.
• 1:51:12
  Like yeah, they got two tentacles but like the fluffy
• 1:51:15
  tentacles, you know what I mean. I forget, which jellyfish that
• 1:51:17
  is Like a like a lion's mane jellyfish, something like that.
• 1:51:26
  Yeah. Oh yeah yeah I know it was
• 1:51:29
  swinging Target but yeah I just like the idea of things floating
• 1:51:36
  in the sky that maybe from this planet.
• 1:51:41
  And then when you think about it, like we travel to Skies all
• 1:51:44
  the time, you think? Well, I don't know planes go up
• 1:51:49
  that high. But you know, I mean like there
• 1:51:53
  someday I can get high and is something we can't.
• 1:51:55
  We can't really search the whole Sky all the time, and we can't
• 1:52:01
  search it. It's just all around the rose,
• 1:52:03
  like the ocean a little bit, but not really.
• 1:52:07
  Oh yeah, that's what I got. I miss her.
• 1:52:12
  Yes I saw it. I was like this is going to be a
• 1:52:14
  girl and like this. I like the idea of just giant
• 1:52:17
  jellyfish in the sky because I love jellyfish that look like
• 1:52:20
  spaceships. And I got to talk about note for
• 1:52:25
  a second. Which is awesome.
• 1:52:30
  Good. Well, thanks so much everybody
• 1:52:38
  for listening one question mark. I don't know if that's the right
• 1:52:44
  thing to say, but it does make me happy to.
• 1:52:48
  We love you on here in at you. I love hearing.
• 1:52:55
  And I say this on Tic Tac all the time, but I want to say this
• 1:52:59
  here too, there are some really amazing things that have
• 1:53:02
  happened to me since we started this process and now there's
• 1:53:05
  something really big that could be on the horizon for both
• 1:53:07
  Brian. And I and the reason why that
• 1:53:11
  exists is because all of you are here, I say it a lot, but thank
• 1:53:17
  you all for changing my life. And yes, have a great
• 1:53:21
  restaurant.