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#290 - For Azeroth!: “Breezy Professional” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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Hi fast friends, this is a special second episode of For
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Azeroth where I get to sit down with Soul So Breezy and talk
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about professions and the start of the war within.
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There is a full regular episode that is also out today so make
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sure you check that out as well. Enjoy.
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For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus
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that has not died for the Lich King.
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The Sindori. For the alliance.
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For the horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to a very
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special episode of For Azeroth. I am one of the hosts, the true
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villain Manny, and I am joined by the ever prolific soul Soul
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Breezy, who I'm sure hates that I said prolific.
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How are you today? I'm doing well.
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I just came off of a plane through the war within intro
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stuff where we, well, I'm not going to spoil anything where we
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do some stuff and then we end up at the at the starts of Kas
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Algarve, you know, that experience.
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And so I'm still kind of almost emotionally rattled.
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I know we're not going to be talking about that, but yeah,
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that's the kind of energy that I'm coming in, coming in with
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this semi depressed energy. But I'm still very excited to be
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here. So yeah.
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I'm, I'm really glad to have you on.
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Honestly, the recent network that I'm coming to you is
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because we are just on the doorstep of the war within.
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Like you said, you've been testing the beta with this new
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intro stuff, but before that you've been doing a lot of
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videos on professions. And so you do such a great job
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of making the game so accessible and making it something that
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people can digest. And so I think you're like the
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right person to go to this. What made you jump on
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professions though? Oh shucks.
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So I when I was first introduced into professions in Dragonfly, I
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was, I was floored. I was like, dude, this is Oh my
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God, this is a lot. This is a lot to soak in.
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This is a lot to cover. And as you know, as a creator,
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of course I'll spoil myself and try to get in on, get in on and
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learn, just learn stuff ahead of time.
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At the same time, I was kind of understanding very quickly that
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this is a lot. There's a lot of folks that
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aren't going to be able to handle this as well as they
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possibly could. So I did my best during
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Dragonfly, you know, so as early as then to try and help elevate
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folks and to help people learn and to help people understand
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like what's going on. And I did a round of guides here
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and there and with some success, but I didn't do like quite as
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much. So I would say like during
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Dragonflight, there's a lot of folks out there and I totally
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agree with them. They felt frustrated, they felt
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lost, they felt like they were making mistakes.
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And so they were rightfully complaining to Blizzard.
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Like, dude, you know, give us respects, give us something to
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help us through and, and as a creator, while, you know, my
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responsibilities as a creator only go so far.
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Like I felt like I wanted to do more.
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And so this time around with the war within, I wanted to go all
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in, you know, one, providing lots of feedback early on so we
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can so I can so I and other folks in the community can try
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to steer the direction of how they wanted to approach our
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professions this time. But also create a whole damn
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series of guides to help folks to help elevate folks to lift
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them up, to give them the the aptitude, the proficiency to at
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the very least make decisions. Because obviously if I were to
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try to give like a step by step instruction guide, knowing that
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the beta cycles will constantly change, that would kind of set
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us up for failure. Even the guides that I did put
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out, some of it has outdated information.
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And I'm trying my best to, you know, keep everything up to
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date. But yeah, that was that's the
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that's the main goal is to continue trying to share like
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the fun of professions and also get past the things that make
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people that that intimidated people and made things feel
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complicated by pointing out, hey, folks, you want to do this
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sort of thing, OK, cool. Just go down this line.
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Or hey, maybe you're not interested in things like
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crafting orders and bargain and trade chat.
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Great, there's this auction house solution for you.
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Maybe you can do this instead. And so I'm trying to present
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like all these different options and ways to go about it in a
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mostly digestible way. Yeah, so you're right,
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Dragonfly, there was a lot of complexity.
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It was like that big wall of like talent trees.
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And overtime they added in stuff like the preview of like what
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exactly everything was going to get.
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But overall, a lot of people bounced off of that.
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And now we're going into a new expansion.
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It's a time for people to try and dip their toes back into it
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again. So I'm really appreciative of
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your videos. What would you say is the first
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thing that people should kind of look at to wrap their heads
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around professions in the War within?
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There are there is a very excited, a very excited group of
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creators, myself among them, who are eager to like help folks
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out. We've created all sorts of
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videos that go like either the either scratch the surface,
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which is kind of what I lean to. There are folks that go really
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in depth on like how to make like the best gold or what you
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should use, what should what you should have as a profession.
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Like depending on if you are like a Raider or if you are very
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social and active in the community or if you're just a
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solo player, you know, there are lots of resources out there.
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And so my first, the 1st place that I would point to would just
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be like, you know, do a search in YouTube, look up your
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profession and then just take a look at a sample of guides that
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that might be there for you. The Wowhead beta talent
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calculator is also another fantastic resource if you don't
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have beta access and you want to take a look and see what the
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trees mean. It gives you a good sense of how
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these of how these things work. Even if you're not looking at it
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in game, like just kind of just kind of as a preview.
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If you look at the trees these days or if you look at the trees
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back in Dragonfly, they easily got very confusing because you
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would see certain points or certain talent tree node things
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that you're like, OK, I think this is going to apply for
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making a good gun or something like that.
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But you might discover or you might not discover that in a
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different branch. There's all these points that
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also go towards making this gun really well in the war Within.
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It's a lot more clear. And again, there are guys that
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we'll try to point these things out to you, but by and large,
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there are numerous examples of trying to specialize in like a
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certain thing that you want to make, whether it's a potion,
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piece of armor, a weapon or whatnot.
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And for the most part, it's very clear you won't need to branch
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off into like all these different directions.
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It's not going to feel nearly as confusing.
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I think the team, I think the white team has done a pretty
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good job of doing their best to make how you progress more
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transparent than before. OK, that's really good.
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Actually. Along those lines, a lot of the
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different professions had different ways of progressing,
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especially when we went to the crafting with like alchemy and
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those Eureka moments and the explosions and then having to
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use the liquid courage and different different professions
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had different ways of learning. Has it been more unified, or at
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least made a little bit more simple?
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Or are there still those like, quite arcane ways of learning
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stuff? Wow enjoys variety, so you are
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in fact going to get something that is like, oh God, I got to
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go into a raid for that recipe that everyone wants.
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Oh my God. So there is a, it's just off the
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top of my head, there is a certain jewel crafting recipe
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that allows you to create sockets for both rings and
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necklaces. That's a recipe that's going to
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come from a certain boss in the upcoming raid.
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I'm pretty sure it's going to apply to all the rate
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difficulties. It doesn't matter which one.
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And thankfully the rate difficulties are more accessible
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sooner, most notably Rate Finder, which is fantastic.
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But also something new that's being introduced is that there's
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going to be a number of recipes that you're finding in Dells.
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So Dells are going to be in the future.
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You get to go in with brand your new buddy, and you're going to
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smash stuff together and hopefully you'll be able to find
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certain recipes from those areas.
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There are still select number of recipes that are in fact behind
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some renowned, but thankfully with war bands, renowned is
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shared and so you won't have to. You want to be like, Oh my God,
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I got to take my profession to it and wrap them up.
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You don't have to do that anymore.
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You can have your main take care of all that work and you know
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they'll be fine there as well. There is also with Dragonfight,
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there was this separate reputation called the Artisan
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Consortium, where that was a kind of sort of account wide
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shared reputation that involved quite a bit of work with with
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doing these like weeklies and and other quests in order to get
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wrapped. That's pretty much gone.
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It's all just like strictly a currency based thing.
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So when you first start off in the Kas Algar on on each of your
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characters, your character will get this one time kind of like
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an easy allowance of 200 of this artisan acuity, this currency
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that you can use for a variety of things, including just buying
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the kind of recipe that you want to buy.
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So day one, if you want to buy the recipe that lets you make a
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powerful profession tool, because that's what a lot of
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those are used for, cool, you can do that and you can
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immediately make yourself available like, hey dudes, hey,
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trade chat, I look at me, I can make this thing.
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Of course, it's kind of a double edged sword because everyone
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else is going to have that same access if they choose to have
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it. So some of the folks are going
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to be like, well, I also have the ability to make this thing.
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Meanwhile, there's going to be a lot of folks that are like, oh,
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I'm going to, I want you to make it for me.
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And so you're going to have kind of like this kind of immediate
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interaction even even early on in the expansion.
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I'm not saying during early access, but I mean like day one
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of the the general release of the expansion, there's going to
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be a lot of activity really fast.
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OK. Yeah.
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So then a lot of the questions for people, it's going to be
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where do I start? And do you find that there are
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traps in the profession trees, or does it look like no matter
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where you go, there's something you can offer?
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At first there were, but I mean, that's not important.
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The whole beta process is about trying to iron that stuff out.
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So the short answer, the better answer I should start off with
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is no, there isn't going to be a situation or a place where
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you're going to feel trapped. And that was like a really big
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complaint, a big valid complaint during Dragonfly.
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Like, dude, I can't level like how awful was that for people
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who were, you know, they had this is like their main
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character that they played for years and now they felt stuck.
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They weren't able to progress with their profession except for
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like some dinky little quest in the Dark Moon fair that gave
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them a cool I get a skill pointer to whoop they do.
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So there are a couple of protections against that.
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One, it's just easier to level your profession.
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There are numerous kinds. Instead of traps, there are I
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guess ramps or slides that let you level your profession a
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little bit further than you normally would.
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It does require like some extra resources obviously, but that'll
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give you a path towards unlocking milestones that'll let
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you access other trees and then these other specialization
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specialization trees, you'll be able to access new recipes that
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will in fact let you skill up. The probably the bigger thing to
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talk about though are these things called patron orders or
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NPC crafting orders. So start with day one of the
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general release of the expansion, I'm predicting we're
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going to start seeing these patron orders.
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And we're going to see a round of folks, you know, we're going
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to see like, you know, public orders, personal orders.
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And then these patron orders, a number of these are going to pop
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up. They're personal.
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So no one's going to be stealing from each other.
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And from there, it's just a matter of, OK, can I do that
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one? Can I fulfil that one?
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Great. And you're going to get some
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cool prizes out of it, including knowledge points, including
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resources, including artisan acuity.
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And also because those are, you know, because these recipes come
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from all over the place, you may be able to get first craft
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bonuses you'll be able to get you'll be able to get skill
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levels as you know, the question was first asking.
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So you'll be able to progress even if you're on a really bad
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server that's very low population and there aren't
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there isn't a lot of traffic going on.
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Or if you happen to be on a very imbalanced server, hey, it's all
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one faction, but you happen to be on the opposite faction.
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You could still do these Patreon crafting notice you can still
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progress your character and you'll be OK there.
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So while there is while there is going to be a little bit of that
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friction, because professions are largely a kind of a social
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inter player sort of system. There are these new mechanisms
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to make sure that you're not stuck and that you can still
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feel like you can play your profession even if one of the
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critical parts of professions, which is other people, even if
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they're not really around. OK.
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So what limits these like patron professions?
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Is this something that people might use to catch up and
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therefore, like there's like a certain limit that you can do
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that increases every week? Or is it this something that
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it's like there's a set amount each week and that's all you
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get? So there there are things that
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unfortunately we couldn't test. What we've been seeing in the
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beta is we've been in this kind of catch up mode where there's
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like like a dozen or so of these patient orders that were able to
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complete and we're able to get either one or two knowledge
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points out of some of these along with other prices.
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Like I said, acuity, skill points, knowledge, all sorts of
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stuff. As for the regular day-to-day,
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those are things that we're going to discover together when
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we hit general release. I'm going to predict it's going
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to be like 5, maybe four of these quests that we'll be able
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to see. But there are things that I,
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that even in my testing, I wasn't able to make good
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observations on. I was hearing that these patient
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orders will come in every every month.
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I'm sorry, every Tuesday through and Friday, kind of like the
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world quests have. Sometimes we've been seeing them
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sooner than that. But personally, like I've been
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kind of like lost in the whole mumble jumble of making so many
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alts and making all these characters that there's no way
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that I was able to like keep track appropriately.
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But I would say you can probably count on the traffic of these
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patron orders to feel kind of sort of like the mission table.
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So you can almost think of it like that.
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Only the cost to use these or to fulfill these is going to be
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potentially much higher. Not every patron order that you
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see is going to provide all the materials that you need.
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It's going to almost feel like players who are submitting
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orders and they're like, they provided nothing, dude.
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And so you're going to be like screwed, I'm not going to do
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that. And yeah, that might result in
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you not fulfilling this patient order.
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That would give some knowledge points.
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However, there are built in catch UPS right away that are
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going to be in place. So as early as Week 2, instead
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of maybe those five orders as an example, maybe you'll see 9 or
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10, or perhaps it might work like, hey, cool, I did a number
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of orders. But then the next day I'm going
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to see like a few more. I doubt that Blizzard wants us
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to see like 100 orders. You know, if we're like, let's
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say if we make a brand new character in the middle of the
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expansion, we're not going to see like 50 or 100 orders.
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Like, hey, have that and you want to catch up, right, buddy?
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I'm sure it's going to be something a bit more digestible,
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something that makes us feel like, OK, cool, we're doing
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work, we're keeping ourselves busy.
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Boy, I'm a bit too busy. I'm going to run out of
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resources. But oh, but at least there's
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always going to be a path. There's always, there's always
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going to be this, this, this accessibility, this opportunity
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to catch up. Yeah.
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And that goes along with the early release because you were
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talking about these orders showing up with like the general
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release. So with the early release, how
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far do you think people can get and what what do you think?
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Because we don't know right now. So what's your best guess at
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what's going to be available to us?
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There was an interview like way back, like like pretty much
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during BlizzCon when game director Ian has Casas kind of
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explained what would and would not be available.
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He said that specialization points would not be available,
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although professions and, and other features would.
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The way that I'm kind of looking at this, though, I'm kind of
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looking at the early release and even though, and even the
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initial launch day to count as kind of sort of a single day
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where we're not going to have a lot of the features available,
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such as being able to earn lots of specialization points from
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just finding stuff on the ground.
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If we're if we happen to be a gatherer, I have serious stats
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that we're going to see patron orders because that would
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basically any, any instance where we can get an advantage
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over other people who had not been who, who are not present
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day one, we're probably not going to see any of that sort of
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stuff. So like I said, we're probably
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not going to see patron orders, things that we can skill points
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that we can like pick up off the ground.
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We're not going to see the zone activities.
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Those won't be available. I I believe we're either not
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going to see rares at all or we're not going to get like
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reputation from rares, things that otherwise could risk
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leaving others behind. Yeah.
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OK. So then if there are no rares,
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sometimes like we saw in there, like cabins, particular goods
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come from rares so that we might not see that.
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Part of what's really strong in the early game is that dual
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gathering and that's one of the more lucrative gold making
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opportunities. Part of what makes that really
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good is that node variety that we saw in Dragonflight.
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So you would have like the elemental or and you would have
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like the windswept herbs and so forth.
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In your travels around the underground of the War Within,
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have you seen like a lot of variety of those nodes?
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Are we seeing that same sort of thing happen in the War Within?
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Largely, yes, you're going to see you're going to see
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different kinds of nodes, but they're going to have like these
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different sorts of effects like there are or nodes that
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literally throw bombs, exploding bombs at you.
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There are one there are herbs that when you pick them, you
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will suddenly get blasted in, you know, a great distance and
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depending on where this herb is, it might just shoot you down to
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your death, which is really fantastic unless you have like
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the appropriate amount skill or whatever.
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So there is going to be like that sort of same variety and
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something that we had seen from that we did not see at the start
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of Dragonflight, but later on is we'll be able to easily identify
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like the cool nodes. Like, hey, if it's if this thing
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has a really special global rise, OK, cool.
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That's going to be like one of those really cool nodes that I
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can use this overload ability. So from gathering, we can expect
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a very similar feel. It's just, it's also just a
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little bit different because we're seeing different kinds of
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nodes, but the flow of, hey, I'm going to be out there, I'm going
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to pick stuff. There's a special thing I'm
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going to use my my ability to activate like some cool effect
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or to get more things. A lot of that is largely a lot
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of that is going to be intact. Now, one other thing because we
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talked about like catch UPS with the crafting professions.
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One big one big and very cool thing about gathering
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professions is that they also have their their own inherent
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catch up too. And it's a lot more simple.
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It's just keep gathering. So every now and then, let's say
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we're like a little bit into the expansion.
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Usually when you start off your week, you're going to get a
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round of skill points by just picking stuff up and you know
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that you're kind of quote done because all of a sudden you get
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like this epic kind of material that they use it.
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You get like two or three skill points, which is, hey, that's
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great if you're behind or you'll know that you're behind because
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you'll actually get more stuff. You'll get more of these single
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skill points items if you just keep gathering.
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So for the for the person who is a regular gathering kind of
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person, they're going to find that, you know, if they feel
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like they're like one 2-3 weeks behind, they'll be able to get
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caught up as long as they just keep doing what they're doing.
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So that part's very cool. Yeah, no, that, that is pretty
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awesome. And I think when I was leveling
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skinning and leveling at all, doing skinning, I managed to Max
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that out before I even hit cap. So gatherings always been really
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strong for that. One of the things with gathering
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was the different ranks of material.
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So like you would have the rank 1-2 and three, but like rank one
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became pretty obsolete fast. And then once people scaled up,
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we no longer really needed rank rank three.
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Is there like a better difference between them?
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Is is it going to follow the same sort of thing in in as far
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as you can infer from like just beta trials?
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You know, some folks that they're going to kind of debate
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whether or not this is better, but it has changed.
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So as you were saying, eventually we would graduate
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from these lower rank materials. We just stopped seeing them.
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And then these lower rank materials, they would just kind
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of sit in this weird spot because they were kind of
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useless. But but but they were kind of
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rare because people would stop getting them.
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And so the price of these goods, they would just kind of like
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have this weird space where it would be almost a little bit
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more expensive than rank twos, maybe even rank threes.
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The expectation here and the numbers have not been reliable.
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I've had I've presented my numbers and other people have
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been saying otherwise. So I really don't know.
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But we can expect even a master gatherer person is still going
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to have a fairly good chance of seeing rank one materials.
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It might be as even as 3030 thirty.
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My observation was more like 50-30 twenty.
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And other creators, other other folks who've been in the space,
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they've been giving all sorts of different numbers.
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But what we can expect is just a lot bigger of a presence of
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these rank one materials, which is both good and bad.
22:35
Because for some it's going to be like, oh, no, I'm not going
22:37
to get the good materials. Well, what are we going to do
22:39
with this? But at the same time, there are
22:41
different crafting professions that are able to utilize
22:44
materials and repurpose them into something else almost
22:48
entirely, like books are going or chefs cooking people.
22:52
They're going to be able to use low level certain a certain herb
22:57
in order to enhance or in order to create most recipes.
23:02
There are alchemists who are able to take some of these low
23:05
level materials and turn them into different kinds of
23:08
materials, perhaps even higher level ranked materials that can
23:11
be more usable in crafts. And also all the most of the
23:17
gathering professions, actually all of them.
23:18
Yeah, all of them. They were able to refine
23:20
materials. Now in Dragonflight, it wasn't
23:22
very popular at all because as I was saying, there weren't any
23:26
rank one materials. There weren't enough rank one
23:28
materials to to use and the pricing was weird.
23:32
The the idea of refining in the war within, it's kind of the
23:37
same as Dragonflight where it's like kind of a fall back, like a
23:40
just in case. Like if there's a weird
23:43
situation where there's so much demand for rank three materials,
23:48
that's the supply of it becomes like impacted and prices start
23:53
to go crazy. That's where naturally gatherers
23:56
are going to come and be like, dude, I'm going to make some of
23:58
that money. And so they're going to take
24:00
their rank one rank two materials, refine these into
24:03
higher qualities and kind of help to restore that supply.
24:06
Now, of course, that still means there are there's still
24:09
effectively prices are basically still going to keep going up,
24:13
but it's also going to provide that, that opportunity, this
24:16
challenge for players to be like, Hey, you want that money,
24:19
right? It's it's there, it's off the
24:21
ground if you want to pick it up.
24:23
And so I've been saying this ever since I've seen stuff like
24:27
this ever since I saw the stuff about like the rank materials.
24:30
It's like, dude, gathering is going to win.
24:32
It's going to win so hard. It's, and it's not just the
24:35
availability of these of these materials, it's the way that
24:39
crafting demands high level materials in order to make like
24:43
cool stuff and good quality stuff.
24:45
And that's something that players were obsessed with.
24:48
For them, it was rank 5 or nothing, rank 3 potions or
24:51
nothing. And the war within is being
24:55
positioned and not guaranteed because we can't predict what
24:58
players are going to do. But the way that these systems
25:00
are positioning themselves, it's going to challenge folks to be
25:02
like, maybe I'll settle for like this rank one potion for now
25:06
because, yeah, this rank three, this, this ain't happening
25:10
because no way. So there's a lot that goes into,
25:14
there's a lot that goes into just this thing with materials
25:18
and, and it's, it's just crazy because Blizzard can easily just
25:21
kind of put their thumb on the scale and be like, oh, let's
25:23
just have, let's have less rank threes.
25:26
And then all of a sudden you're going to see this huge impact on
25:28
the market. Now I'm not saying that they'll
25:29
do that, but it's certainly being set up to where if they
25:33
did want to manipulate prices and and supply, they could
25:39
easily do in it by they could easily do it by messing with
25:42
these drop rates. OK, right.
25:46
So if I am trying to get professions and I'm doing it to
25:51
support my RAID, do you have any recommendations on like what
25:56
professions give a lot to the raid and which professions give
25:59
less? I'm not asking you to like come
26:01
up with a ranking here, just like examples of like, hey, this
26:04
gives a lot of stuff and this maybe if you're looking for RAID
26:07
stuff, you want to choose something.
26:09
Else So what would I suggest for it?
26:13
Well, if you got your RAID, then I would suggest sitting down
26:17
with your folks and be like, all right, guys, So what you going
26:19
to do? What you going to do?
26:20
What you going to do and try to and try to coordinate from
26:24
there, like what I tried to do with my raid is just kind of do
26:28
a quick poll as to like, Hey, what what profession do you plan
26:32
on? At least try it out first.
26:34
I did a quick poll with them and funny enough, no one said yes to
26:38
enchanting. So I'm like, oh, OK, we're going
26:41
to have a clear opportunity here.
26:43
And this Guild may have a big problem with acquiring enchants
26:47
to help each other out with, you know, with setting ourselves up.
26:51
As for shucks, As for professions that provide like a
26:55
really big help, kind of hard to think of stuff out the top of my
26:59
head. There's so many like small
27:00
examples. But I guess engineering comes to
27:02
mind because that's what I mean. Go engineers, There are certain
27:06
there's an item called the pausing pylon.
27:09
This is something that actually anyone can throw down, but it's
27:12
made by engineers and by throwing this down, it will
27:16
cause all the durations of your buffs, whether it's flasks or
27:20
files or or food buffs, it'll cause them to pause while you
27:25
are while you're in the presence of this pylon.
27:28
Now it's a non combat thing, so it's the ideal thing to use when
27:31
someone's like, oh, I got to go to the bathroom or hey, let's
27:34
plan, you know, we wiped. Let's talk this through.
27:37
Let's watch the five minute video or whatever.
27:39
Someone throws down the pausing pylon and everyone is going to
27:43
be able to everyone's going to be able to, you know, pause
27:47
their buffs and everything. So that helps to prolong prolong
27:52
these buffs and if you're able to use it well enough and
27:55
effectively be able to use like one less feast, 1 less round of
27:59
files, that's going to be like a huge savings for you and your
28:03
raid cooking is going to be a very big deal too.
28:07
I have a guide coming up. It's terrible, but I have a
28:09
guide coming up where the cool thing about cooking these days
28:13
is that while they are going to take away the alchemical flavor
28:17
pocket, which is a very popular item that people used in their
28:21
crafted gear because it made their it made their well fed
28:25
buff like last for an hour. Long and persist through death
28:29
like. It was, yeah.
28:30
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome.
28:32
I totally forgot about it being about it lasting longer, but
28:34
yeah, it persist through death. And that was like the best part
28:36
about it. In this case, though, everyone
28:40
who cooks is capable of creating for themselves what's called a
28:44
hearty meal or a hearty feast, where you can take five or ten
28:49
or something like that. You can take a number of this
28:51
food, smash it together and it's still the same food, but it does
28:55
persist through death. So while you're not going to be
28:57
thrown down X amount of money for a flavor pocket or you're
29:00
not going to or you're not going to be farming it, you know,
29:03
doing super whatever you do have this opportunity or everyone has
29:05
this opportunity to make themselves some decent food
29:08
that'll last quite some time. So great for raids, great for a
29:11
bit. The plus folk who are like, oh
29:14
God, I wiped, but hey, I don't have to worry about it anymore
29:17
without having to without having to feel dependent on crafting
29:22
and the flavor pocket. So those are those are just like
29:25
two small examples. There are like each profession
29:28
has like a little something great to give, especially when
29:31
you consider like the armor professions.
29:33
And if a Guild is organized, they'll all pull the all pull
29:37
together, bring resources together, try to refine these
29:40
things into usable materials, high quality materials.
29:44
That way your crafter or crafters will be able to pump
29:47
out the best items for everyone officials.
29:50
So it's still a lot of teamwork that that's involved in, but
29:53
every profession is capable of it.
29:56
That's awesome. OK, so from the other end, if I
29:59
want to be like all about me, a little bit more selfish, what
30:02
are the profession perks that like really stand out, that are
30:06
like, that's amazing for, you know, the solo player or the
30:09
person who isn't part of a big organized group?
30:13
As for like solo stuff, like if someone's just looking to make
30:16
money, I would always advise someone to do just gather, just
30:18
gather. It's money on the ground, pick
30:21
it up, throw it in the auction house, watch the money roll in.
30:24
So there's, you know, there's that and it's very simple.
30:27
It doesn't involve anybody apart from maybe cancel scanning or
30:31
something like that if you're familiar with that, just
30:33
whatever. So there's always that.
30:37
Now for the person who wants to enjoy professions or at least
30:41
want to be like, hey, you know, I want the fantasy of being a
30:43
blacksmith, but boy, I can't really handle like these
30:46
crafting orders or whatnots. One there is the, there's the
30:50
patient crafting order system that I've mentioned to at least
30:53
give you that role play feel, even if you're not doing with,
30:56
even if you're not doing this with other folks.
30:58
But there are certain perks or there are certain cool things
31:01
that you, that most professions can do with where you don't
31:05
exactly focus on the, the crafting order system or, or
31:09
trade chat, but you can rely on the auction house in Dragonfly
31:14
and especially in the War Within, you're able to create
31:17
all sorts of different reagents that are the pieces that create
31:21
like these cool potions, these cool flasks and armor and
31:25
weapons and so on and so forth. And it is quite easy to
31:28
specialize into these. All you really need are the, you
31:33
know, are just the ingredients to the basic materials, the
31:36
herbs, the ore or whatnot or the skins to get you started.
31:40
And some so someone who wants to pair up just leather working and
31:43
skin, but they mostly want to just play on their own.
31:46
You know, I would say it would be a good idea to focus on
31:50
reagents. And that way you could that way
31:53
you can take your high level crafts or your high level
31:55
materials or refine them into high level materials.
31:58
So that way you can make a bunch of cool stuff that's high rank
32:01
and all of a sudden you're finding like like they're
32:04
selling for like ridiculous prices.
32:05
You're like, why is it selling for so much?
32:07
And it's because these things are going to be in such high
32:10
demand that the early market, at least it's not going to have the
32:15
energy or the concentration. You know, maybe we'll talk about
32:18
that in a bit. It's not going to have the
32:19
energy to produce these things as much as you like.
32:22
So solo crafters that felt like they were pushed out of the
32:26
market because all these big burly dudes, they're, you know,
32:29
they're using like 50 alts to do this.
32:31
They're still going to find opportunities if they look in
32:33
the right place and reagents, sellable stuff on the auction
32:37
house. That would be the direction to
32:39
go for like anybody. OK, well you mentioned it, so
32:43
let's talk about concentration because like inspiration is dead
32:47
Long live concentration, the new mechanic for crafting.
32:52
So can you like explain how this works for us and like how
32:55
players like might be able to use it more effectively?
32:59
I've been trying to explain like an easy way to I've been trying
33:04
to figure out an easy explanation that here's one I'll
33:06
try. Think of professions these days
33:09
in the world within at least as daily cooldowns.
33:13
There's, you know, high end crafting is going to involve a
33:16
lot of these so-called daily cool downs because you have this
33:18
resource called concentration. It's going to let you turn like
33:24
a rank 4 item into a rank 5 item.
33:28
It's or a rank 2 to a rank three if it's a consumable and if
33:32
you're specializing, if you're, if you're doing the work, you're
33:34
putting your time into it, you're going to find that it's
33:36
fairly easy to create most items at a rank 4, but it's a really
33:42
long Rd. to make that rank 4 into a rank five.
33:44
It's like, OK, day one, I can pretty much make most of these
33:47
things that are rank four. OK, that's pretty awesome.
33:49
But it might take like a month and some change to start
33:53
crafting some of these things at a rank five.
33:55
In the meantime, if you want to make cool stuff for people
33:58
through crafting orders or on the auction house, you're
34:01
probably going to use some of this concentration.
34:03
And so when once people get started and find themselves like
34:08
hitting these, hitting these kinds of walls, they'll feel
34:10
like, oh, true, OK, I'm going to be kind of like doing this once
34:14
a day where I can make one cool thing.
34:16
Like I can make 5 rank 3 potions or something a day, which
34:20
doesn't feel like a lot. But eventually this cool down
34:23
starts to whittle down a little bit because you're slowly
34:27
putting points in, you're slowly getting a couple more skill
34:30
points, you're being given better materials to work with.
34:34
You are getting, you're making yourself better tools or you're
34:37
buying tools off of someone else or something like that to a
34:40
point where eventually you're spending less and less of this
34:43
concentration towards like, oh, now I can do like a couple of
34:46
things, a couple of these casts a day instead of one every day
34:50
or 1:00 every two days. It eventually can come to the
34:53
point where you can overcome the cooldown altogether.
34:55
As long as you're using the best materials.
34:58
If you're provided those, you're able to make these things
35:00
perpetually. So that kind of goes back to
35:02
what I was talking about with how there's potential for
35:07
materials to be exhausted because there's going to be such
35:11
a high consumption of them. Because you know, there's going
35:13
to be some people out there who are like, Yep, I definitely want
35:16
to raise to like make all of these things like the best rank.
35:20
And once they're able to, it's going to feel great for them,
35:23
You know, for people who make it there first, they're going to be
35:26
able to provide so many of these things for people.
35:28
But at the same time, it's going to start impacting the price of
35:31
these goods to where it's like, oh, maybe now it's too expensive
35:36
for me to make these things. So there's some really, really
35:39
wild things that are that are capable that are possible with
35:43
with the abandoned of inspiration or going away from
35:45
luck and going to these more deterministic cool downs that we
35:50
can slowly chip away at as as the expansion goes, as the
35:55
expansion goes by and we're able to scale up.
35:57
Now, of course, as a reminder, you know, if you if we also
36:00
wanted to like make multiple characters alts, some people
36:03
play this thing called the Remix, some people did this
36:06
thing called Radiant Echo. So people might have a number of
36:08
alts. They can start doing that and be
36:12
able to catch up fairly easily. We just got to, you know, put in
36:14
the little little bit of elbow grease, get some extra materials
36:18
to get themselves up and they can start if they really want to
36:20
do like this. If you really want to work with
36:23
multiple characters to produce more materials and more goods
36:25
and whatnots, sure they can. But solo people should be able
36:29
to get a lot of access to this too.
36:32
Oh, OK, OK, no, that's that's great that like I'm as like
36:36
somebody who mostly plays on one character, something like I have
36:39
my shaman who is my main character and then all my other
36:43
alts kind of exists in servitude to my main to support that,
36:47
support that. I'm with that.
36:49
I'm with that, yeah. And so like the fact that I
36:52
could like, even as I go through, like I'll have like
36:55
maybe a couple of characters that will make it to Max level,
36:58
but I have a bunch of guys who are basically going to be parked
37:02
in the main city and far and being the profession bots, as it
37:06
were. And I'm glad that there's a use
37:08
for them. Oh, absolutely.
37:11
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK.
37:14
So then for people who are looking at professions, is, is
37:21
it going to be in your estimation that the war within
37:24
is going to allow for some casual gold making or does it
37:28
really feel like you kind of have to go all in to make a real
37:32
impact? When it comes to when it comes
37:37
to the solo player, there's, there's different flavors of
37:40
them, right? Like some people are like, I
37:42
don't care about making money. I just want to make some cool
37:44
stuff for myself and for that it's extremely cool.
37:48
I think they I think Blizzard has done a really good job of
37:51
catering to like the solo player who doesn't care about the
37:55
market. And if they want to make, you
37:56
know, if the solo player wants to make something for
37:58
themselves, like, oh, I just want to make myself like this
38:01
cool weapon or whatnot cool. It doesn't take long to skill
38:05
themselves up to or to get the proficiency to make something
38:07
out of rank four and use their concentration.
38:10
Even if it's a even if it comes at a huge expenditure, they can
38:14
still make that out of rank 5 knowing that they're only going
38:17
to be using concentration like not even daily, but maybe
38:20
weekly. And so they're definitely always
38:21
going to have access to something like that.
38:24
As for casual crafting, that's still also that's still also
38:28
possible to again, thanks to concentration.
38:30
So even if you're not the best crafter, you can still keep
38:37
chipping away at concentration cost because you're just
38:40
plugging points every now and then.
38:43
You know routine there and there are new routines that you'll be
38:46
picking up most notably to dip into these Patreon crafting
38:50
orders and see what's there. So it's not just while it's not
38:54
exactly a gold maker's paradise by working those Patreon
38:57
crafting orders, it is a way to develop your skills.
38:59
So that way if you do happen to see, you know, maybe it once in
39:04
a blue moon, you'll see like a public order or maybe these are
39:07
maybe they'll work out even better.
39:09
But if you happen to see someone asking for something, it's like,
39:11
hey, you can do that. And I think what we're going to
39:14
find is that while we are going to have very industrious folk,
39:19
whales, goblins who are going to do their best to dominate the
39:22
market, there's going to be kind of like this sleeper potential
39:27
of the more casual audience who is in fact capable of doing all
39:32
of doing these things. It's just that they're only able
39:34
to do it like maybe once every couple of days, but they can do
39:37
it. Meanwhile, even the industrious
39:40
crafter might run out of materials, especially early on
39:43
in the expansion. They might run out of materials,
39:45
they might run out of concentration, they might run
39:47
out of alts who can also perform this.
39:49
And so that's where the more casual crowd can come in, as
39:52
long as they're at least keeping an eye on trade chat and being
39:54
like, so is anyone someone can make a thing, I can do so that
39:59
and that's very. Cool.
40:00
It's very cool. I think that's I'm, I'm hoping I
40:03
should just stick with that. I'm hoping that players will be
40:07
able to tap into this potential and really take advantage of
40:10
what's what they're capable of. That is really awesome.
40:13
I'm hopeful too. So then overall, do you think
40:16
that for the War Within professions are in a better
40:19
place than they were in Dragonflight?
40:23
They're definitely positioned to be in a better place.
40:25
Like I can see that Blizzard had made a lot of strides to learn
40:31
lessons like, and there have been very legit criticisms.
40:35
It's too complicated, it's too deep, it's hard to understand.
40:39
And they've been, again, trying to chip away at some of these
40:42
criticisms by making these specializations a little bit
40:46
more straightforward. There's a certain feature that
40:49
unfortunately didn't make in I want to point this out.
40:51
So for enchanting, what you're able to do in the enchanting
40:55
crafting window is in the search bar.
40:57
You can actually type in the name of a specialization and
41:01
you'll be able to see all the recipes related to that
41:04
specialization. Now, unfortunately, that's the
41:06
only one where I would where I've consistently seen that sort
41:09
of that sort of feature. I've tried other professions and
41:12
I didn't see that same sort of feature.
41:13
So I'm hoping that they fully that they fully put that in
41:17
very, very soon, if not when it goes live.
41:19
And this is just kind of like hidden for some for some stupid
41:21
reason, But the accessibility of it, the, the ease of, of, of
41:28
understanding. And of course, the community has
41:30
gotten a lot better about it too, and hopefully is doing a
41:33
better job of communicating how this works to folks.
41:37
And as long as we're just open to continue to have
41:41
conversations and to answer questions and everything, as
41:44
long as the community is, is, is definitely here to help each
41:46
other out. And if people can feel reassured
41:49
of that and take advantage of it, then I think we'll be in a
41:52
good spot. You know, Buzzard did I, I think
41:55
they did do did do a lot. I think it's a lot of it's on
41:59
the community to also help each other out too.
42:01
And I think it's, I think it's a lot better.
42:04
Nice. OK, so if people want like more
42:06
details and I and all of that, where can people find you and
42:10
the stuff that you do? Yeah, you can always find me on
42:13
my YouTube channel. I do have a full, full on
42:16
playlist and hopefully it'll be linked somewhere to where folks
42:19
can get started. There's like a video at the very
42:21
top of the playlist that has just kind of a general breakdown
42:24
of, hey, so here's how concentration works as opposed
42:28
to inspiration. And then from there I go over
42:31
each and every profession I have cooking and fishing.
42:34
That's like, I guess the last stuff kind of like a bonus that
42:36
I was able to sort of squeeze in, and hopefully I'll have that
42:39
out soon, but there are numerous other creators.
42:42
I mean, just just type in war within professions and you will
42:45
find no shortage of folks who are trying to help with
42:49
different breakdowns, different summaries, tips, build ideas,
42:53
all sorts of stuff. I am not the only one.
42:55
I, I'm not even like, I don't even consider myself like the
42:58
best gold maker. Like all I try to do is, you
43:02
know, just try to help lift folks up and get people at least
43:04
knowledgeable enough to, to feel empowered and confident enough
43:08
to make their own decisions. But of course my door is always
43:11
open for questions. Thank you for your time today
43:16
again. So I'd love to have you back and
43:18
we'll see how it's developed over the course of Dragonflight,
43:21
or rather over the course of the war Within.
43:24
But thank you again for your time today.
43:26
Absolutely glad to glad to be here.
43:29
Until next time, guys, I've been Manny.
43:31
He's been sold. And may your hits be grits.