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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 6-10-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 1: Happy hoped everybody. Welcome to the Sean O'Connell Show.
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Speaker 2: Happy to have you with us on ESPN seven one FM.
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Speaker 2: Fun show lined up for you today Lauren Beck World
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Speaker 2: Cup Insider, Soccer Insider World Cup Talk brought to you
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Speaker 2: by Beer Bar. Gotta be happening in about half an
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Speaker 2: hour as we are on the very precipice the world stage,
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Speaker 2: the largest sporting event on the planet, is happening in
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Speaker 2: North America, and of course a bunch of US host
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Speaker 2: cities are helping to participate in this. So the World
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Speaker 2: Cup begins this week and we will have a brief
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Speaker 2: and glorious glimpse at the fanaticism of the rest of
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Speaker 2: the planet when it comes to soccer. The hope, of course,
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Speaker 2: is that Team USA, the US men's national team, accounts
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Speaker 2: well for themselves, and it seems like the expectation is
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Speaker 2: to make it to the elimination rounds, make it to
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Speaker 2: the group stage, or make it through the group stage
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Speaker 2: and get into some real elimination games. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how realistic any expectation is.
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Speaker 1: Beyond that.
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Speaker 2: We'll start talking on a daily basis with World Cup
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Speaker 2: insiders here on the Sean O'Connell show to help get
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Speaker 2: a better sense of those things. Lauren Beck will be today.
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Speaker 2: We've got Jeff Schwartz jumping back on Jeff. He's going
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Speaker 2: to be an interesting person to talk to about all
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Speaker 2: this Brendan Soersby stuff for multiple reasons. Obviously, you know
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Speaker 2: he played football at the high level University of Oregon
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Speaker 2: and then he was a decade in the NFL. But
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Speaker 2: also he is very much a gambling, a sports betting
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Speaker 2: like proponent.
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Speaker 1: He is a betting insider.
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Speaker 2: He's somebody that has for many years talked about the
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Speaker 2: pros and cons of allowing the ubiquitous nature of sports
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Speaker 2: betting on college campuses, in broadcasts relating to college sports,
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Speaker 2: et cetera. That whole thing is heating up now as
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Speaker 2: you're getting more people Marcelo and Famil and all these
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Speaker 2: guys that report on college sports. They're getting their hashtags
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Speaker 2: sources letting them know what happened on the Athletic Directors
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Speaker 2: call yesterday where we I read you the Brett Yormark
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Speaker 2: statement and it was a big old nothing burger. It
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Speaker 2: was like, yeah, we don't really know what to do.
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Speaker 2: The insiders everybody reporting what we knew would be the
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Speaker 2: case that of the sixteen Big Twelve teams, fifteen athletic
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Speaker 2: directors did not want Brendan Soorsby to be allowed to
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Speaker 2: play this season and want something to be done at
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Speaker 2: the conference level. I fully understand that mentality, and I
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Speaker 2: have now because I've gone through all the stages of grief, anger, resolution, denial, etc.
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Speaker 2: I've finally just gotten to the point where I spent.
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Speaker 2: I finished the show yesterday. Let them die on their
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Speaker 2: own hill, let them have what they want. And when
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Speaker 2: Cody Campbell is writing his five million dollars worth of
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Speaker 2: checks to Brendan Soorsby and Texas Tech is an eight
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Speaker 2: and four team that has had a million personal foul
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Speaker 2: penalties because other teams won't shut up about it because
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Speaker 2: there's fights that are happening, because cheap shots are going on,
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Speaker 2: all that kind of thing, then college football, the Big Twelve,
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Speaker 2: and most especially Texas Tech is going to realize that
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Speaker 2: this is what this is kind of the culmination of
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Speaker 2: your grand efforts to make everything incredibly permissive, and you're
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Speaker 2: getting the hot take machines coming through. You know Craig Carton,
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Speaker 2: who is a very famous radio broadcaster and a guy
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Speaker 2: who's had his own issues with sports betting and with
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Speaker 2: addiction and with all that stuff. He is now becoming
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Speaker 2: the number one proponent of Brendan soresby everyone who is
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Speaker 2: in the Texas Tech Mental gymnastics are absolutely banana land.
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Speaker 2: It is hilarious to watch every Texas Tech account defending this.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I need to restate, I want
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Speaker 2: him to be allowed to play now.
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Speaker 1: I want them to get their way.
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Speaker 2: I want them to have what they deserve, because I
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Speaker 2: think what you're going to deserve, I think what you're
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Speaker 2: the result of this is actually going to be a
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Speaker 2: giant mess. So if that's what you've decided, great, But
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Speaker 2: it really goes to that if you've got an opinion
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Speaker 2: on something, you will cling to any tidbit of information
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Speaker 2: or not even information, just any tidbit of opinion.
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Speaker 1: Or whatever to try to justify that opinion.
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Speaker 2: And there are so many people wearing Texas Tech red
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Speaker 2: and black who are pretending that this is really about
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Speaker 2: a young man acknowledging that he had a problem and
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Speaker 2: putting out a cry for help to get himself into
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Speaker 2: an addiction rehab facility. There are people who believe that
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Speaker 2: narrative like to the core of their being. We should
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Speaker 2: go do a man on the street thing in Lubbock, Texas.
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Speaker 2: Just walk up to random Texas tech fans and be like,
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Speaker 2: how do you think Brendan Soresby's Brendan Sorosby's gambling problem
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Speaker 2: came to light? And I would bet ninety percent of
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Speaker 2: them would be like, he made a phone call saying
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Speaker 2: that he needed help. He's getting help. That's not what happened.
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Speaker 2: Got caught a year before any of this happened. He
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Speaker 2: got caught, he got red flagged, and then he got
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Speaker 2: flagged again, and then he got flagged again, and then
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Speaker 2: it was going to be released in a nationally published article.
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Speaker 1: And so obviously someone.
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Speaker 2: Did him and his agent and his team a solid
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Speaker 2: and said, hey, just say you know this is coming
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Speaker 2: out tomorrow if you want to get ahead of it.
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Speaker 2: And then they were just like, oh yeah, we'll get
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Speaker 2: ahead of it. So we'll talk that with Jeff Schwartz.
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Speaker 2: I'll try not to spend too much time on it
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Speaker 2: today because it's becoming just annoying and frustrating. Also, we'll
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Speaker 2: go between the pipes with Adrian Danny Carolinas tied it
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Speaker 2: up to two last night against Las Vegas. Another really interesting,
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Speaker 2: really good game in that Stanley Cup final series.
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Speaker 1: Another game where.
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Speaker 3: The goaltenders had a hard time stopping the puck well,
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Speaker 3: and another game where Vegas in the second period, like
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Speaker 3: if you can, if you can slow Vegas down.
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Speaker 2: In the second period, you might have a chance to win. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: but the second period is just their thing right now.
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Speaker 3: It's like the It's like what we always hear recently
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Speaker 3: about the great NBA teams in the third quarter, the
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Speaker 3: Golden State Warriors recent dynasty, they were they dominated the
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Speaker 3: third quarter and there was a blowout by the time
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Speaker 3: the fourth quarter started, and there was no chance for
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Speaker 3: opponents to win because they were so good in that
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Speaker 3: third quarter. It that's it seems like that's what Vegas
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Speaker 3: does in the second period in hockey games, and maybe
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Speaker 3: that's the equivalent in the hockey world because there's not
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Speaker 3: four periods. That middle period is the one that you
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Speaker 3: if you're going to separate yourself, that's where you got
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Speaker 3: to be dominant.
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Speaker 1: But well, credit to Carolina.
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Speaker 2: Credit Carolina for bouncing back and getting things done in
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Speaker 2: the third. So five to three was the final in
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Speaker 2: that one. That series is tied up at to a piece,
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Speaker 2: and so of course it becomes a three game series.
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Speaker 2: Game four of the NBA Finals tonight at Madison Square
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Speaker 2: Garden and Rich Eisen if you're just listening to The
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Speaker 2: Rich Eisen Show, they had a hilarious little aside about
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Speaker 2: the behavior of the antics of people on Celebrity Road.
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Speaker 2: They were getting mad at DJ Khalid for having his phone.
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Speaker 2: He'd being on his phone for the entire game, and
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Speaker 2: the j kllid eight seven seven three five three zero
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Speaker 2: seven hundred a realoc sports if you want a weigh in,
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Speaker 2: the the greatest sort of protocol violation, the thing that
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Speaker 2: bothers you most when you see it from other sports fans,
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Speaker 2: the etiquette that you just cannot stand somebody violating when
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Speaker 2: you are at a live sporting event. Eight seven seven
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Speaker 2: three five three zero seven hundred front row ticket at
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Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden, NBA Finals, being on your phone, that's
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Speaker 2: pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty darn bad.
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Speaker 2: But it doesn't like necessarily affect anyone else adversely, So
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Speaker 2: out of that's probably what I would make fun of
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Speaker 2: somebody for, but I wouldn't like confront them about. I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't go up to them and just be like, why
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Speaker 2: are you wasting your own five hundred thousand dollars on
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Speaker 2: this ticket? There was, by the way, a really interesting
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Speaker 2: social media video put out there about guys or by
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Speaker 2: a guy who was just going up to people outside
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Speaker 2: of Madison Square Garden at Game three and asking him
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Speaker 2: how much they paid for their tickets, and the answers
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Speaker 2: were wild. He would say how much did you pay
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Speaker 2: for your tickets? And they'd be like a eight.
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Speaker 1: Thousand dollars, ten thousand dollars, fifty thousand dollars, five hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
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Speaker 2: And then he would be like, okay, what do you
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Speaker 2: do for a living? And they would either say one
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Speaker 2: guy obnoxiously google me, take a picture and google me,
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Speaker 2: and it was like he had paid like ten thousand
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Speaker 2: dollars for his tickets. See you, I'll say, He's like
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Speaker 2: google me. He's like, dude, there are people here that
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Speaker 2: paid ten times that. You are not the most impressive
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Speaker 2: guy in the building. Anyway, there was one that was
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Speaker 2: hilarious and it was just it's like you could not
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Speaker 2: have set up a more New York thing. He asked
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Speaker 2: this guy who's there. It's like a group of four,
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Speaker 2: It's like two dads and two teenagers or something.
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Speaker 1: Right, It's like what He's like, how much did you
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Speaker 1: pay for your tickets?
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Speaker 2: And it was in the hundreds of thousands, I don't
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Speaker 2: remember him, two hundred thousand dollars maybe per ticket?
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Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you do for a living?
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Speaker 2: And then this this guy, the camera pans to this
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Speaker 2: like hyper muscled, like Jersey Shore Guido looking fifty something,
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Speaker 2: your old dad with the thickest accent. And he's like,
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Speaker 2: we do sanite. We do the garbage pickup for all
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Speaker 2: of New York. And it's like, okay, so you're in
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Speaker 2: the mob. Sweet, Sweet, it.
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Speaker 1: Was like the most it was like the most New
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Speaker 1: York thing ever. But we do the garbage pickup. I
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Speaker 1: love that.
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Speaker 2: It was awesome to see it is that was awesome.
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Speaker 2: It is awesome to see like, and we're we're the
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Speaker 2: opposite end of the spectrum. We are a small market
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Speaker 2: team with the Utah Jazz. We're still a small market
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Speaker 2: team with the Utah Mammoth. We're gonna be a small
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Speaker 2: market team when Major League Baseball officially ends up in
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Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. And I love that there's a charm
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Speaker 2: to being the Green Bay Packers. There's a charm to
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Speaker 2: even be in like the Milwaukee Bucks. Right it's really
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Speaker 2: hard to replicate what you see when it's New York
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Speaker 2: Knicks NBA Finals basketball, and you don't have to love it,
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Speaker 2: you don't have to worship it, you don't have to
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Speaker 2: want it every single year. But the spectacle of it
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Speaker 2: is as a neutral sports fan, as someone who just
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Speaker 2: gets to watch it on TV, really is fascinating and
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Speaker 2: it's really I think informative on American sports culture in
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Speaker 2: a time where American sports culture is going to be
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Speaker 2: brought into focus because the World Cup is here.
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Speaker 3: By the way, New York City has got to be
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Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's always crawling with people, but can
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Speaker 3: you imagine the amount of people that are there with
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Speaker 3: the Knicks being in the finals and World Cups starting
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Speaker 3: this week and those games happening in New Jersey just
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Speaker 3: outside the city, a lot of people staying in the city, Like,
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Speaker 3: I can't imagine being in New York City right now
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Speaker 3: with that many people.
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Speaker 2: I can't imagine trying to get a hotel or a
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Speaker 2: rental car. I guess in New York you don't need
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Speaker 2: a rental car because the public transportation in the subway
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Speaker 2: is good.
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Speaker 1: You're seeing the.
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Speaker 2: Concerns of you know, what comes with being the epicenter
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Speaker 2: of everything right now. The other night, obviously the president
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Speaker 2: was in the building. It caused logistical issues for people
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Speaker 2: trying to get in with Madison Square gardens sleeping Is
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Speaker 2: that is that one of those with the president falling
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Speaker 2: asleep during the game after having after all this, the
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Speaker 2: amount of time, that extra time that fans had to
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Speaker 2: go through security, leaving early, is that one of those
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Speaker 2: that is a violations. Yes, if people falling asleep in
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Speaker 2: their live seat is the thing that irks you most
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Speaker 2: eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred, that
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Speaker 2: might be a valid one.
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Speaker 1: However, remove your political leanings from this.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely the thing when like an eighty year old president
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Speaker 2: of the United States dozing off is probably the most
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Speaker 2: predictable thing ever. Yeah, you're the president of the United States.
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Speaker 2: The schedule is probably absolutely insane and crazy. And I
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Speaker 2: mean there's been dozens and dozens of videos of what
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Speaker 2: looks like little impromptu naps happening, happening with both this
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Speaker 2: president and the last president. So I think I think
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Speaker 2: that's a function of being eighty years old. Like if
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Speaker 2: nothing else, And I don't think this is overly political.
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Speaker 2: You know how, there's a there's an age restriction for
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Speaker 2: eligibility for the president on the young end. Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think that maybe seventy five. Seventy five should probably be
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Speaker 2: the top end of that.
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Speaker 1: Should be should be an age cap as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's like a salary cap floor and
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Speaker 2: a salary cap. I think that might be a good
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Speaker 2: thing to do with the most important and powerful office
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Speaker 2: in the land. I think that perhaps the last two
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Speaker 2: presidencies have been good evidence to that regard. But we're
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Speaker 2: not going to get political here San Antonio, New York.
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Speaker 2: That obviously the San Antonio Spurs claude one back in
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Speaker 2: game one, if if they're able to equalize the series
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Speaker 2: in game four here, if they go back to San
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Speaker 2: Antonio two to two, the same way we're seeing with
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Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Final, the dynamic of this Nicks run
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Speaker 2: suddenly changes because you've got a fan base that certainly
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Speaker 2: has its diehards that never left, that never jumped off
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Speaker 2: the bandwagon.
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Speaker 1: But then you've got kind of.
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Speaker 2: Especially right now, you've got a bunch of people that
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Speaker 2: are just now they are just now believing in the
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Speaker 2: New York Knicks, and even some of those diehards are
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Speaker 2: maybe just now leaving in the New York Knicks again.
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Speaker 1: They went off the wagon, their back.
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Speaker 2: It becomes such a shaky, shaky thing when obviously they
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Speaker 2: had a beautiful three months effectively almost two months, two
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Speaker 2: months plus where they were just.
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Speaker 1: Winning and winning and winning and dominating and dominating.
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Speaker 2: And now if San Antonio tonight can win again, regardless
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Speaker 2: of what the score is, and you know this game
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Speaker 2: is gonna be physical, and you know there's.
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Speaker 1: Gonna be some chippiness.
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Speaker 2: There's been some chirping, some threats back and forth, and
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Speaker 2: I would not have it any other way. That's gonna
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Speaker 2: really upset the dynamic of this entire spectacle, this entire like,
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Speaker 2: oh man, that New York There's nothing like it. The
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Speaker 2: league is better off when New York City and the
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Speaker 2: New York Knicks are this dominant. If they're not dominant,
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Speaker 2: if we're talking about San Antonio potentially closing out an
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Speaker 2: NBA Finals victory at Madison Square Garden at some point,
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Speaker 2: now all of this like pageantry and spectacle becomes oh crap,
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Speaker 2: that's a riot now, because already there's violence outside of
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Speaker 2: the garden after one game one loss.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and which is just terrible.
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Speaker 3: Dan Patrick touched on it, and we might touch on
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Speaker 3: we might touch on ourselves later, or we do it
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Speaker 3: right here, but he said he's scared for the city
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Speaker 3: whether the NIXT win or lose this series.
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Speaker 4: Well.
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Speaker 2: Look, one thing that New York does better than I
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Speaker 2: think most places and can do better than most places,
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Speaker 2: is anticipate the need for law enforcement intervention. Right, They've
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Speaker 2: got these massive, massive events every single year. The Times
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Speaker 2: Square New Year's Eve thing is an absolute zoo. It
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Speaker 2: is unfathomable how many people cram themselves in the logistical
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Speaker 2: nightmare of that. It is a I've been in New
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Speaker 2: York City in like the last I guess it would
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Speaker 2: have been the last nine years since the whole PFL
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Speaker 2: thing began. I've spent New Year's Eve in New York City,
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Speaker 2: in Manhattan and New York City now five times. Never
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Speaker 2: at Times Square because we're doing our event matter. We
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Speaker 2: were doing our event at Madison Square Garden. But it's
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Speaker 2: very close, right, and you can walk over there and
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Speaker 2: you can see where like the Hey, if you go
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Speaker 2: past this gate, you are in there until the ball
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Speaker 2: is done dropping and then you're gonna have to try
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Speaker 2: to figure out how to exit. This is why the people,
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Speaker 2: this is where the people are wearing adult diapers to
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Speaker 2: go in here, because they know that once you're in,
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Speaker 2: you can't get out. Like if Salt Lake City had
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Speaker 2: to do something that way, we just wouldn't be able
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Speaker 2: to pull it off. We just like we are not prepared.
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Speaker 2: We don't have that level of law enforcement infrastructure, et cetera.
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Speaker 2: They've got it for the Macy's Day Parade, the Thing
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Speaker 2: Day Parade, They've got it for New Year's Eve. They've
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Speaker 2: got it for all this different stuff. So I think
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Speaker 2: New York better than most places, And I don't think
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Speaker 2: New York is better than most places in almost any
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Speaker 2: other regard.
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Speaker 1: I am not a New York City fan.
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Speaker 2: I don't enjoy New York City the way that a
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Speaker 2: lot of you who like to visit it probably do.
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Speaker 2: But one thing you got to respect about that place
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Speaker 2: is when it comes to needing law enforcement. I mean,
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Speaker 2: they I don't know how many officers they have, but
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Speaker 2: it's like it's like Batman. They can they can throw
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Speaker 2: out like rank after rank after rank, where it's like
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Speaker 2: five officers deep marching in Gettysburg Battle Formation, you're just like,
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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, where are all these cops coming from?
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Speaker 2: So you'll get that most likely. James and I were
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Speaker 2: talking about this off air, also the surveillance state of
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Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden and Jimmy Dolan's sort of weird, petty
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Speaker 2: obsession with keeping his enemies out of his properties. Does it,
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Speaker 2: I think, change the dynamic in how fans will be
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Speaker 2: acting or will be reacting to whatever happens in this
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Speaker 2: series the rioting. If you're gonna riot, you might have
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Speaker 2: to do it a little bit further away from the
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Speaker 2: garden than you normally would because the surveillance teams, the cameras,
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Speaker 2: the facial recognition software. It's gonna be used selectively, as
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Speaker 2: it always is, but it could be used to snag
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Speaker 2: some knicks fans that they decide are the instigators or
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Speaker 2: are the people that are the problem?
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Speaker 1: You would you would hope.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not a fan of the of the
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Speaker 3: facial recognition stuff, and James Dolan is not the only
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Speaker 3: one who does it. By the way, it's a lot
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Speaker 3: of companies that have that have that now a lot
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Speaker 3: more than you would think. Pablo Tory finds out had
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Speaker 3: a great episode on that, by the way, if you
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Speaker 3: wanted to do a deeper dive with that on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: But I'm not a fan that stuff.
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Speaker 2: But it's in those instances where it's like, you would
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Speaker 2: hope that Jim Dowan.
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Speaker 5: And the and the.
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Speaker 3: Knicks would allow law enforcement to utilize that stuff in
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Speaker 3: a situation.
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Speaker 1: Like which, by the way, is exactly why he won't.
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Speaker 2: Yep, right, lasting more important to this actual series and
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Speaker 2: something that is kind of in keeping with the theme
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Speaker 2: of the shows this week that as they're gonna go,
20:29
Speaker 2: we have seen every angle. We have seen the full
20:31
Speaker 2: breakdown the Zapruder film on Victor webbin Yama, what very
20:37
Speaker 2: obviously should have been a flagrant foul against Jalen Brunson,
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Speaker 2: number one star of the San Antonio Spurs and the
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Speaker 2: number one emerging star in the league itself, top five
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Speaker 2: player in the league already at twenty two years of age,
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Speaker 2: and clearly the air apparent to that face of the
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Speaker 2: league distinction that long's de facto or or otherwise to
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Speaker 2: somebody in the league every single year and for many
21:08
Speaker 2: many years, even though Lebron is not the best version
21:11
Speaker 2: of himself anymore, for many, many years, it has been
21:14
Speaker 2: Lebron James and even like no one in the world
21:18
Speaker 2: can make a case for me that Shay Gildess Alexander
21:21
Speaker 2: is the face of the NBA more than Lebron James
21:23
Speaker 2: has been, or even though he's a better player than
21:26
Speaker 2: Lebron right now, yeah, he's a better player than out
21:28
Speaker 2: more than but so is like so is Luca, so
21:31
Speaker 2: Is Jokic is probably still the best player in the world.
21:34
Speaker 2: He's not the face. He'll never be the face of
21:36
Speaker 2: the NBA because he will never embrace that the way
21:39
Speaker 2: like Victor wembin Yama. If he's not yet, winning this
21:43
Speaker 2: championship will make that'll accelerate it. Adam Silver and company
21:48
Speaker 2: in their dark rooms behind the scenes will be Okay,
21:50
Speaker 2: he's our new face of the NBA. They're already planning
21:53
Speaker 2: on that happening at some point if he wins this championship.
21:55
Speaker 2: But he's getting the special treatment because of it, and
21:57
Speaker 2: we've seen it. This is now the second time in
22:00
Speaker 2: playoff basketball, not just regular season basketball. This is the
22:03
Speaker 2: second time in playoff basketball that Victor webbin Yama is
22:08
Speaker 2: is being given on the the best. The big stars
22:12
Speaker 2: always get the benefit of the doubt on the calls
22:15
Speaker 2: when it comes to like drawing contact.
22:17
Speaker 1: Right.
22:18
Speaker 2: It was the big complaint we had about the way
22:20
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City was doing things and the way SGA was
22:22
Speaker 2: doing things. Victor Webbin, It's not always that you see
22:26
Speaker 2: the Michael Jordan being the dirty player and not having
22:30
Speaker 2: the call go against him.
22:32
Speaker 1: Right.
22:32
Speaker 2: Karl Malone was not punished as harshly as he probably
22:36
Speaker 2: could have been many times in his career because of
22:38
Speaker 2: his status in the league. Michael Jordan wasn't punished as
22:41
Speaker 2: much as he could have been because of his status
22:44
Speaker 2: in the league. Guys like Draymond Green go exactly in
22:48
Speaker 2: the lane that they're supposed to be in your accessory
22:50
Speaker 2: piece to a great dynastic team. But your behavior is problematic,
22:54
Speaker 2: We're gonna punish it, Victor Webina. If he gets he
22:59
Speaker 2: gets an insight leash to the amount of non technicals
23:02
Speaker 2: he gets after berating officials after every play.
23:05
Speaker 1: But we digress. Victor Webbin. Yama now twice.
23:10
Speaker 2: On a physicality front, has been the aggressor and had
23:14
Speaker 2: it not be as consequential, had it not been as
23:18
Speaker 2: heavily punished as it would have been, were it's somebody else.
23:22
Speaker 2: And I am not naive enough to think that superstar
23:25
Speaker 2: players don't get superstar treatment in the NBA. It is
23:28
Speaker 2: something though, that if we're talking about the New York
23:31
Speaker 2: Knicks and the San Antonio Spurs playing games more games
23:36
Speaker 2: tonight and I'm going to assume at least one more
23:39
Speaker 2: game at the Garden, that is going to be problematic.
23:42
Speaker 2: That is already becoming something that is going to problematics
23:46
Speaker 2: too strong a word. It is going to be adding
23:49
Speaker 2: a level of intrigue here because this New York Knicks
23:53
Speaker 2: team is not going to play by the NBA sort
23:58
Speaker 2: of company line and take it easy on Victor wembin Yama.
24:02
Speaker 2: They're already there's already guys that are just like, yeah,
24:05
Speaker 2: he got away with one there, He's not gonna get
24:08
Speaker 2: away with one again. They're gonna defend Jalen Brunson, even
24:12
Speaker 2: if it means taking out Victor Wembinyama. And I'd say
24:16
Speaker 2: taking out and you know what I mean in the
24:17
Speaker 2: basketball context, right, Yeah, I'm not gonna They're not gonna
24:20
Speaker 2: try to injure the alien. They're not gonna try to
24:23
Speaker 2: injure him. But if if you're gonna if you're event
24:27
Speaker 2: you can do that. If you're gonna the mom stars
24:29
Speaker 2: would come down. If you're gonna hard foul our number
24:32
Speaker 2: one player, our team MVP, our guy, our superstar, if
24:37
Speaker 2: you're gonna cheap shot him, you're going to get cheap shotted.
24:40
Speaker 2: And I cannot tell you how much I love this
24:44
Speaker 2: in the modern NBA, because, as I've said many times before,
24:49
Speaker 2: this this element was not wholly absent, but was so
24:54
Speaker 2: watered down, like even with some what I would consider
24:58
Speaker 2: some really great era of NBA basketball.
25:01
Speaker 1: So I'm really like that as much as we like
25:04
Speaker 1: to make fun of it.
25:05
Speaker 2: Lebron and d Wade and Chris Bosh in Miami that
25:08
Speaker 2: was fun to watch, man, that was pretty cool. But
25:11
Speaker 2: those teams were like trying to be the popular kids
25:16
Speaker 2: in school.
25:16
Speaker 1: Those were everybody's best friends.
25:18
Speaker 2: Aside from Draymond, the Warriors dynasty was something that it
25:23
Speaker 2: was just like, you know, a beautiful basketball, incredible theater
25:28
Speaker 2: with the long distance shots and pulling up from half
25:31
Speaker 2: court and Klay Thompson scoring thirty nine points a quarter
25:34
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff. But even in those like
25:38
Speaker 2: glory days for the Golden State Warriors, aside from Draymond,
25:42
Speaker 2: just being a punk. You didn't get like a lot.
25:47
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you didn't get a lot of
25:48
Speaker 2: punches thrown.
25:49
Speaker 1: You did get punches thrown, but it was only in
25:51
Speaker 1: Warriors practice that was insane. That's still an insane It's.
25:55
Speaker 2: Still an insane story, right, But this and I'm not
25:59
Speaker 2: advocating for violence on an NBA floor, but I'm advocating
26:02
Speaker 2: for like the tension that makes us think it might happen.
26:06
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm advocating for that walking that like very
26:10
Speaker 1: thin line.
26:11
Speaker 2: And Victor wembin Yama and the officials, by extension are
26:16
Speaker 2: letting that escalate and letting that happen in this series
26:19
Speaker 2: that we are getting a restoration or a slight return
26:25
Speaker 2: of nineties basketball in these NBA Finals.
26:29
Speaker 3: With the Knicks, who were the most physical team of
26:32
Speaker 3: the nineties, which is what they're not. They're not doing
26:35
Speaker 3: that to that level.
26:37
Speaker 2: But it is interesting that it's the same franchise that
26:40
Speaker 2: were the enforcers and the goons of the league.
26:42
Speaker 1: I need it all back. I need to bring it
26:44
Speaker 1: all back. Okay.
26:45
Speaker 2: The Minnesota Timberwolves just announced the new uniforms that are
26:49
Speaker 2: like a return to their nineties late eighties and early
26:52
Speaker 2: nineties colorways. Okay, they're bringing that back. I want NBA
26:57
Speaker 2: Jam in the arcades again. Let's go all right that Actually,
27:01
Speaker 2: a resurgence of NBA Jam would be sick right now,
27:04
Speaker 2: be incredible because of all the duos you could have. Yes, also,
27:10
Speaker 2: the the NBA on NBC video game that was their
27:15
Speaker 2: version of NBA Jam. Also a fun two on two
27:18
Speaker 2: game from late I'm not even aware of this showtime
27:22
Speaker 2: NBA on NBC. It was it was always fun. Only
27:25
Speaker 2: saw it.
27:26
Speaker 3: I only ever saw it in arcades, but it was
27:29
Speaker 3: it was a favorite of mine.
27:31
Speaker 2: I just while we were talking, I looked up what
27:34
Speaker 2: hotel rooms in New York City are looking like right
27:37
Speaker 2: now because of the preponderance of activity going on, as
27:43
Speaker 2: you mentioned, with the World Cup being there nearby, and
27:47
Speaker 2: of course the NBA Finals being here. I don't know
27:52
Speaker 2: why I'm so obsessed with get in prices, but here
27:55
Speaker 2: we are. You're you're about one thousand bucks plus per
27:58
Speaker 2: night at a hotel for a hotel in New York City,
28:01
Speaker 2: so you got to pay the cheapest hotel probably, right. Yeah, Well,
28:05
Speaker 2: I mean it looks like a pretty nice place. I mean, yeah,
28:08
Speaker 2: there's still gonna be pretty nice. But the most affordable
28:10
Speaker 2: one is about a thousand dollars a night. Yeah, we're
28:12
Speaker 2: looking at after fees about one thousand bucks a night,
28:15
Speaker 2: and obviously it goes way way way up from there.
28:18
Speaker 2: So yeah, pretty cool that you know people can pull
28:22
Speaker 2: this off. But again, it's something we've talked about on
28:25
Speaker 2: the show. I'm not gonna delabor the point you are.
28:28
Speaker 2: You're getting to a level now where you're almost gonna
28:32
Speaker 2: have to have rent controlled tickets for these games you're
28:34
Speaker 2: gonna and I know that Jimmy Dolan has his foundation
28:38
Speaker 2: where they're like, yeah, we're gonna bring in whatever a
28:41
Speaker 2: thousand underprivileged kids to the Garden for an NBA Finals game.
28:46
Speaker 2: But those families aren't attending. They're getting those tickets and
28:49
Speaker 2: they're listing them on eBay.
28:51
Speaker 3: Probably unless there's some way they control it where you
28:55
Speaker 3: can only go to the game with this ticket.
28:58
Speaker 2: By the way, that would be terrible if they did that.
29:00
Speaker 2: They were just like they were just like, I know
29:02
Speaker 2: you could get twenty grand out of this ticket, but
29:04
Speaker 2: you have to attend, and I know you have school.
29:07
Speaker 1: Well no, you don't have school tomorrow. Never mind.
29:10
Speaker 3: One note on the NBA Finals here. If the Spurs
29:16
Speaker 3: were to win tonight, it would be the first time
29:18
Speaker 3: in NBA history that the road team has won the
29:20
Speaker 3: first four games at the NBA Finals. I mentioned yesterday
29:25
Speaker 3: there was only one other time when the first three
29:28
Speaker 3: games have been won by the road team. That was
29:31
Speaker 3: the ninety three the ninety three series the Bulls beating
29:34
Speaker 3: Charles Barkley and the Suns. Only one other series that
29:39
Speaker 3: I know of that had a worst that the home
29:42
Speaker 3: team had the worst record in the series besides that
29:46
Speaker 3: ninety three series, and this one is looking like it's
29:48
Speaker 3: going to be something similar. That was the twenty nineteen
29:52
Speaker 3: Raptors beating the Warriors now Raptors. One game won at home,
29:57
Speaker 3: so that's why that's different, But that was the only
30:01
Speaker 3: home win of the entire series. The home teams went
30:06
Speaker 3: one in five in both that series in twenty nineteen
30:10
Speaker 3: and in the nineteen ninety three series Bulls versus Stuns.
30:13
Speaker 3: It feels like this one's going this way, especially if
30:16
Speaker 3: the Spurs even out the series and make history as
30:19
Speaker 3: the first the road team being the first first series
30:22
Speaker 3: of the road team wins the first four games.
30:23
Speaker 1: That would actually be really interesting.
30:25
Speaker 2: I would have thought it had happened at some point
30:29
Speaker 2: in the past, but for the fact that we could
30:32
Speaker 2: see history made tonight. It's hard to make history in
30:34
Speaker 2: modern sports. It's hard to be the first to do
30:36
Speaker 2: something unless you're getting really really Guinness Book of World
30:40
Speaker 2: Records obscure, right, And this is kind of obscure, but
30:44
Speaker 2: also but not that obscure. It's like crazy, like it's
30:48
Speaker 2: it's it's a commentary on home court advantage, which is
30:52
Speaker 2: far from being obscure. It's like something that teams play for.
30:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just nuts that if the Spurs were to
31:01
Speaker 3: win tonight, that the road teams have been able to
31:07
Speaker 3: are able to overcome the home atmospheres that typically accompany
31:10
Speaker 3: an NBA Finals game. I know there are tons of
31:12
Speaker 3: Knicks games Knicks fans in San Antonio that weakened the
31:15
Speaker 3: Spurs home court advantage in the first two games.
31:18
Speaker 1: That was not the case a couple of nights.
31:20
Speaker 3: Ago at the Garden in Game three, so would be
31:24
Speaker 3: a very impressive thing for the Spurs. I do not
31:27
Speaker 3: anticipate if the Spurs are able to even up this series.
31:30
Speaker 3: I do not anticipate that the home team losing games
31:34
Speaker 3: for the last three potentially the last three games of
31:36
Speaker 3: the series the way that they would do it for
31:39
Speaker 3: these first four.
31:40
Speaker 1: It'll be very fascinating to see. All right, gotta take
31:43
Speaker 1: a break here. Laren Beck's gonna join us.
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32:38
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32:42
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32:46
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33:03
Speaker 1: Lauren. Welcome, how are you hey?
33:06
Speaker 7: I am great? How are your son?
33:07
Speaker 1: I'm doing all right?
33:08
Speaker 2: How much would you say the anticipation in your own
33:11
Speaker 2: heart mind body is building for this World Cup to start?
33:16
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm I'm always a big fan of the World Cup.
33:20
Speaker 7: You know, international football isn't something I'm regularly very into.
33:25
Speaker 7: But when it comes to, you know, some American pride
33:28
Speaker 7: and the World Cup and the major tournaments, you've got
33:32
Speaker 7: to pay attention, all eyes on us. I'm stoked.
33:38
Speaker 2: So I know I asked you about this the last
33:40
Speaker 2: time we had a conversation of and asking all of
33:42
Speaker 2: our soccer insiders about this. You know, the ceiling for
33:46
Speaker 2: this USA team, the ceiling for Pulistic and company.
33:51
Speaker 1: When we're we're actually trying to.
33:53
Speaker 2: Be realistic about it and you're seeing like this, this
33:56
Speaker 2: laundry list of elite players from all these different countries
33:59
Speaker 2: coming in to represent their home nations, and you know,
34:02
Speaker 2: there's just there's not the megastar talent on this US
34:07
Speaker 2: men's national team roster. How problematic is that when we
34:10
Speaker 2: get into you know, the at least into the knockout rounds.
34:13
Speaker 1: What's the ceiling?
34:15
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think unfortunately, I think you can say it's
34:21
Speaker 7: a successful tournament for the US if they make it
34:25
Speaker 7: to the round of thirty two, if they make it
34:27
Speaker 7: to the round of sixteen, and that's probably about as
34:31
Speaker 7: far as you would expect them to go. It's you know,
34:34
Speaker 7: it's unfortunate that that kind of feels like the ceiling
34:37
Speaker 7: for the United States. But we just haven't seen consistent
34:40
Speaker 7: performances from this team, and the star players have kind
34:47
Speaker 7: of struggled to find their footing in four club and
34:51
Speaker 7: country in recent games. So yeah, I think I think
34:54
Speaker 7: round of sixteen is a pretty solid tournament for the
35:01
Speaker 7: United States in this World Cup, you know, and that's
35:05
Speaker 7: not hosts don't typically win. That is not a trend
35:10
Speaker 7: in the World Cups. The host nations do not win
35:13
Speaker 7: the World Cup. So it's just kind of one of
35:16
Speaker 7: those things. So that's certainly not an expectation for this
35:20
Speaker 7: US squad. I think if you can get to the
35:23
Speaker 7: round of sixteen here, that's pretty solid for the United
35:27
Speaker 7: States in this tournament.
35:29
Speaker 2: Okay, that seems to be kind of a consensus, But
35:31
Speaker 2: no matter what, happens whenever the team USA exit is
35:34
Speaker 2: no matter what happens in the pool play with losses
35:37
Speaker 2: or wins or accumulation of points, etc. From a local perspective,
35:43
Speaker 2: I think there are going to be a lot of
35:44
Speaker 2: folks that are going to say, well, what might this
35:47
Speaker 2: team have been or what would have happened in this
35:49
Speaker 2: particular scenario. How much better could it have been to
35:52
Speaker 2: have Diego Luna on this roster? And we have not
35:55
Speaker 2: had a conversation since he was omitted from the US
35:58
Speaker 2: men's national team run for this World Cup. And you know,
36:02
Speaker 2: he's going to have his day. He's going to be
36:04
Speaker 2: four years from now, he's going to be on the roster,
36:06
Speaker 2: I would imagine, but a bummer for oursel fans. I
36:10
Speaker 2: can't imagine what kind of a bummer it is for him.
36:13
Speaker 2: How much are we going to be second guessing that
36:15
Speaker 2: when we get to some of these junctures in the tournament.
36:19
Speaker 7: Yeah, And that's that's kind of always been a conversation
36:23
Speaker 7: we have after World Cups, it seems with RSL players,
36:28
Speaker 7: with Kyle Beckerman, Nick Romondo in their final matches for
36:32
Speaker 7: the US and the World Cup, and I think, yeah,
36:34
Speaker 7: I think That's a fair conversation to bring up because
36:35
Speaker 7: Diego Luna has been so fun for Real Salt Lake
36:38
Speaker 7: this season, so important to the squad, and you know,
36:43
Speaker 7: he's not the only one that was left out that
36:45
Speaker 7: was raising eyebrows for this US men's national team. But
36:48
Speaker 7: the way that they've built this squad, they want those
36:52
Speaker 7: kind of swing players, and they've they've included a lot
36:56
Speaker 7: of center backs to sit that formation and that three
37:01
Speaker 7: center back formation that they're they're wanting to play out of.
37:04
Speaker 7: So I think I think it really could be a
37:08
Speaker 7: questionable decision, especially with the expanded roster. I mean, I
37:13
Speaker 7: think everybody thought he was a shoe win for this
37:16
Speaker 7: World Cup squad and the shocks that we all felt
37:20
Speaker 7: when he wasn't included. Yeah, if they don't perform well,
37:25
Speaker 7: especially offensively, if they're not able to find some creativity
37:28
Speaker 7: and kind of that that fight that Diego brings to
37:33
Speaker 7: the squad into the field, yeah, I think that's a
37:36
Speaker 7: fair question to bring up. But it's always going to
37:39
Speaker 7: be hindsight twenty twenty.
37:41
Speaker 2: Do you think we see some of that sting in
37:44
Speaker 2: his play when we get back from the international break,
37:46
Speaker 2: when when RSL is back on the pitch. Do we
37:49
Speaker 2: think do you think we see the evidence of his
37:51
Speaker 2: anger over being omitted?
37:54
Speaker 7: Absolutely one percent. That's it was something we we saw
38:01
Speaker 7: with the Olympics as well when he didn't make the
38:03
Speaker 7: Olympic squad. So for for sure, coming back at the
38:07
Speaker 7: end of July, he I can't remember if we if
38:12
Speaker 7: we have All Star results yet, I'm not sure, but
38:16
Speaker 7: you know, we'll have the All Star Game and then
38:18
Speaker 7: back to Major League Soccer play and then they'll have
38:20
Speaker 7: the League's Cup tournament against the the MS team. So
38:24
Speaker 7: I'm sure Diego's gonna come out firing and showing this
38:29
Speaker 7: US men's national team what they missed out on.
38:32
Speaker 2: All Right, back to this US men's national team. From
38:35
Speaker 2: a player perspective, who's the most pressure on it? Is
38:37
Speaker 2: it the obvious of the you know, it's the guys
38:39
Speaker 2: who are in the credit card ads taking advantage of
38:43
Speaker 2: the popularity of this event, or is there somebody on
38:45
Speaker 2: this roster who you think is really going to have
38:48
Speaker 2: to prove that they belong there.
38:50
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's fair to say that Christian Polistic
38:53
Speaker 7: probably is feeling the most pressure of this US men's
38:57
Speaker 7: national team just because of the season he's had with
39:01
Speaker 7: his club in twenty twenty six, not scoring any goals,
39:06
Speaker 7: and the way that he's kind of acted for the
39:09
Speaker 7: US men's national team in recent games and friendlies, I
39:15
Speaker 7: think it's totally fair to say the pressure is on
39:17
Speaker 7: him in this tournament perform. And that's also because he
39:21
Speaker 7: has performed in these tournaments for the US men's national team.
39:25
Speaker 7: Despite whatever form he's been in coming into the tournament
39:29
Speaker 7: for the national team or for his club team, he
39:32
Speaker 7: usually finds a way to perform in these major tournaments
39:38
Speaker 7: for the US. But you have a lot of other
39:40
Speaker 7: big faces that are emerging for this roster, and Robinson
39:45
Speaker 7: and Dastin Bolguan, so I think it's I think it's
39:49
Speaker 7: a bit spread out as far as the pressure goes,
39:51
Speaker 7: but the focus will certainly be on the captain, Christian Holistic.
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Speaker 1: First games played tomorrow.
40:03
Speaker 2: First USA game will be on Friday at SOFI Stadium
40:07
Speaker 2: down in Inglewood, California, as they take on Paraguay. I've
40:11
Speaker 2: not looked today at what the ticket prices are for that.
40:14
Speaker 2: I'll give you that update after we talk with Lauren
40:17
Speaker 2: here in goal, this used to be a place where,
40:21
Speaker 2: you know, even though we were acutely aware of Team
40:24
Speaker 2: USA's kind of level on the global stage, there was
40:28
Speaker 2: always like a, hey, but we got Tim Howard and Gole, Hey,
40:31
Speaker 2: we got whoever, like our goalies, our goaltenders are good.
40:34
Speaker 2: Our goalkeepers that's something that we can compete on the
40:38
Speaker 2: international stage. And that position is not nearly the strength
40:44
Speaker 2: that it once was. How big a concern is that
40:46
Speaker 2: for this US men's national team ahead of the World Cup.
40:49
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting because it might be, I believe, the
40:52
Speaker 7: first time that there's a potential for a goalkeeper who
40:58
Speaker 7: primarily played in Major League Soccer to be the starter
41:02
Speaker 7: for the US men's national team. But it is still
41:05
Speaker 7: pretty up in the air. And as you said, it's
41:08
Speaker 7: you've had huge names and goal for the US men's
41:11
Speaker 7: national team and who come up absolutely huge Tim Howard
41:14
Speaker 7: against Portugal against Belgium, absolutely massive in his final tournaments.
41:21
Speaker 7: And yeah, it's it's again kind of one of those
41:26
Speaker 7: that we you know, we had Nick Rimando that didn't
41:29
Speaker 7: really get looks in the World Cup, but big name
41:34
Speaker 7: in that position, that's a that's a fair point. Oci
41:37
Speaker 7: But you know, when it comes to the goal to goalkeepers,
41:43
Speaker 7: it's my favorite thing is that Nick Rimando always used
41:46
Speaker 7: to do is if he's making a save, he's angry
41:49
Speaker 7: at defenders because he's he shouldn't have to do his
41:52
Speaker 7: job right. So I think, obviously it's so important to
41:56
Speaker 7: have a great goalkeeper, but that back line really is
42:00
Speaker 7: where you need to have strength and chemistry and hopefully
42:08
Speaker 7: that you know, Tim Ree and Chris Richards, Alex Freeman,
42:12
Speaker 7: whoever's whoever's playing back there, Robinson, They've they've got that
42:16
Speaker 7: figured out, especially in that group stage. And whoever is
42:19
Speaker 7: a goalkeeper, whether it's Matt Freeze or Matt Turner, they'll
42:23
Speaker 7: they'll hopefully step up into this this huge tournament. Again,
42:27
Speaker 7: the spotlight absolutely on the US with everything that's been
42:30
Speaker 7: going on with this World Cup and hosting it. So
42:33
Speaker 7: uh yeah, it's a massive physicition for for the US
42:36
Speaker 7: men's national team, and as you said, some big legends
42:39
Speaker 7: have come up in that position.
42:42
Speaker 1: Do you have a pick? Do you have a team
42:45
Speaker 1: that you think is going to win this World Cup?
42:47
Speaker 7: Oh? Boy, I don't know if I have a pick necessarily,
42:50
Speaker 7: It's it's interesting I've I've been I've been doing a
42:54
Speaker 7: lot of reading about the trends that that you in
43:00
Speaker 7: the World Cup, right, And as I mentioned, and not
43:04
Speaker 7: typically a winner the holding nation, the reigning champions typically
43:10
Speaker 7: don't win either. If you're the favorite going into the tournament,
43:14
Speaker 7: not good for you either. You know, there's so many
43:17
Speaker 7: interesting trends when it comes to the World Cup. European
43:23
Speaker 7: teams tend not to win outside of Europe. I think
43:25
Speaker 7: Spain in twenty ten is the lone exception to that.
43:28
Speaker 7: So I don't know if I have a favorite necessarily,
43:32
Speaker 7: but I do. I do think Spain is an interesting
43:39
Speaker 7: team and maybe a little bit of a sneaky team
43:43
Speaker 7: with some of the the youth that they have there.
43:47
Speaker 7: But if I had to pick, I think I would
43:51
Speaker 7: go Spain on this one.
43:54
Speaker 2: Spain's pool play, it's a Cape Verd Saudi Arabia, and
44:00
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see Spain in the knockout
44:02
Speaker 2: rounds at.
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Speaker 7: The very least, you would hope. So, yeah, Lauren, we.
44:08
Speaker 2: Will be picking your brain throughout this tournament, so appreciate
44:12
Speaker 2: you giving us some time today as a preview. And
44:14
Speaker 2: next time we'll have a US men's national team game
44:16
Speaker 2: to at least react to.
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Speaker 1: It'll be fun.
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Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, very excited. Thanks for having me.
44:21
Speaker 2: Team that is Lauren Beck RSL Insider and of course
44:26
Speaker 2: Major League Soccer Insider our.
44:29
Speaker 1: One of our World Cup insiders. We're going to be
44:31
Speaker 1: leaning on during this tournament.
44:32
Speaker 2: Those conversations are going to be brought to you by
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Speaker 2: entire tournament on the big screens.
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Speaker 1: Any game you want to watch.
44:43
Speaker 2: If you're a junkie and you're like, I have to
44:46
Speaker 2: see Iran versus Switzerland, guess where it's going to be on,
44:49
Speaker 2: and you'll have lunch specials, drink specials, great stuff at
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Speaker 3: You might even see Phil Dunfie there. Yeah, you could
44:57
Speaker 3: see Ty Brerell. You could see Nick Rimando at any given.
45:01
Speaker 3: I'm sure Nick will be a regular there during the
45:04
Speaker 3: World Cup.
45:05
Speaker 2: All right, James, you you get to watch an entire
45:09
Speaker 2: World Cup game at a table with one of those two,
45:12
Speaker 2: not both. Are you watching with one of the all
45:17
Speaker 2: time great MLS goaltenders goalkeepers? I forgot you're supposed to
45:21
Speaker 2: say keeper in soccer, tender in hockey. I've been in
45:25
Speaker 2: hockey mode, right, Sorry, guys, sorry, I'll have you soccer
45:29
Speaker 2: purists out there.
45:30
Speaker 1: You could say ten D's maybe for the hockey goalie.
45:33
Speaker 2: Okay, would you rather watch it with Nick Rimando or
45:36
Speaker 2: you would you rather watch with Tibrerew?
45:39
Speaker 1: Well, only one, only one adjustment I'll make.
45:41
Speaker 3: To that is it's gonna be if it's gotta be
45:44
Speaker 3: a white couch with with Phil Dumphy, tybrew that's who
45:47
Speaker 3: you're watching it with. Oh yeah, I just because I'm
45:50
Speaker 3: not as big of a soccer fan and I loved
45:53
Speaker 3: Modern Family, so I Tybreaw would be my pick. But
45:55
Speaker 3: if I were, if I were a bigger soccer fan,
45:57
Speaker 3: I absolutely would go with the Wall of the Water.
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Speaker 2: I I don't watch either. I never watched Modern Family
46:05
Speaker 2: and I don't watch a ton of soccer. So I'm
46:08
Speaker 2: going with Romando because I'm a local legend. And then
46:10
Speaker 2: he's probably gonna be like, stop asking me questions. I
46:13
Speaker 2: want to watch this game.
46:14
Speaker 1: I need someone to help me with the soccer.
46:16
Speaker 5: Know.
46:17
Speaker 2: I'm like, just I'm trying to get like little tidbits
46:19
Speaker 2: to make me sound smart for when I come on
46:21
Speaker 2: air the next day. Yeah, okay, so how did he
46:24
Speaker 2: how did he get the read to make that stop
46:26
Speaker 2: and he's just looking and he was like, can I
46:28
Speaker 2: please enjoy my onion rings?
46:30
Speaker 1: Would you shut up? Would you leave me alone?
46:35
Speaker 3: No, I haven't seen the entire series. I haven't been
46:38
Speaker 3: to the entire series for Modern Family. Didn't watch it
46:40
Speaker 3: much when it was on TV. But I've watched enough
46:43
Speaker 3: of it. I've become a fan for sure.
46:45
Speaker 2: Well, as long as we're talking about goalkeepers, goaltenders players
46:48
Speaker 2: in gold, there was a really fascinating story in the
46:51
Speaker 2: Stanley Cup Finals last night. We'll get to that in
46:55
Speaker 2: the Hot Lunch, and of course it relates to the
46:57
Speaker 2: Carolina Hurricanes goaltender Sean O'Connell show on ESPN seven hundred
47:02
Speaker 2: ninety to one FM.
47:13
Speaker 4: You were listening to the Sean O'Connell Show from the
47:16
Speaker 4: Murdoch Hyundai Studio of ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
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Speaker 4: to one A f M.
47:25
Speaker 1: Brandon Bussy. That's the name you want to know.
47:33
Speaker 2: Brandon Bussey, undrafted rookie, twenty seven year old finally made
47:39
Speaker 2: it into the bigs on the hockey front, finally in
47:43
Speaker 2: the NHL. After grinding it out in the minors. He
47:49
Speaker 2: was brought to the Carolina Hurricanes October to be their
47:55
Speaker 2: number three goaltender. Basically, last night he was given the
48:00
Speaker 2: start in a Stanley Cup final game. He stopped eighteen
48:05
Speaker 2: of twenty one shots and Carolina wins five to three. Now,
48:10
Speaker 2: why is this more of a story beyond it being
48:13
Speaker 2: this great Cinderella thing? And you know, a guy being
48:16
Speaker 2: an unsung type of prospect getting to start a Stanley
48:20
Speaker 2: Cup final game, his first playoff start, by the way,
48:24
Speaker 2: happens to be as crucial a game as you can
48:27
Speaker 2: possibly find. It's now notted up at two games a piece.
48:30
Speaker 2: Vegas is not exactly making anyone who's playing goal, He's
48:34
Speaker 2: not making the not making that person's life easy. This
48:38
Speaker 2: Brandon Bussey came in and he just he just played
48:41
Speaker 2: an incredibly steady game, made some big saves, made some
48:45
Speaker 2: very timely saves that that led to some momentum shifts
48:49
Speaker 2: and some breakaways for Carolina to score on the rebound,
48:52
Speaker 2: to score on the the next trip up the ice.
48:57
Speaker 2: And he was of course interviewed after the game and
48:59
Speaker 2: just as the most hockey guy individual you could ever find,
49:04
Speaker 2: you know, didn't want to take any credit. It's your
49:07
Speaker 2: first playoff start, it's your first playoff win. It happens
49:10
Speaker 2: to be Game four of a Stanley Cup Final, and
49:14
Speaker 2: you played incredibly well in a position that has become
49:18
Speaker 2: more of a problem for the Carolina Hurricanes as these
49:20
Speaker 2: playoffs have gone on. And he's just deferring and being
49:25
Speaker 2: like this small town Canadian kid, just hanging out doing
49:29
Speaker 2: his thing, making it never mind he's from New York, but.
49:35
Speaker 1: Just a guy not wanting any of the credit for himself.
49:40
Speaker 2: These hockey people are completely different than most professional athletes.
49:45
Speaker 2: He's twenty seven years old. He gets his first start
49:47
Speaker 2: and he was asked, well, do you want to start?
49:51
Speaker 2: Do you want to start the next game? He won't
49:52
Speaker 2: even say that. He won't even say yeah, I want
49:55
Speaker 2: to start. I played well tonight. I think I've earned it.
49:59
Speaker 1: None of that. He just says, uh, you got to
50:01
Speaker 1: talk to Rod, referring to his coach Rod Brendamore.
50:06
Speaker 2: So in the midst of an incredible Stanley Cup Final series,
50:14
Speaker 2: you're getting potentially this like Cinderella break, not even Cinderella's story.
50:21
Speaker 1: It's like a.
50:23
Speaker 2: It's just not supposed to be the kind of story
50:25
Speaker 2: that is told in a Stanley Cup Final. Guys like
50:28
Speaker 2: him are not supposed to get that kind of opportunity,
50:31
Speaker 2: and it's not I don't want to disparage his skills.
50:34
Speaker 2: If you're an NHL goalie, you're obviously among the elite,
50:37
Speaker 2: elite elite in the world at that position, just by
50:39
Speaker 2: making it into the NHL. But goodness gracious to have
50:43
Speaker 2: that amount of pressure and to handle it the way
50:45
Speaker 2: that he handled it against a really, really good Vegas attack,
50:51
Speaker 2: it's wild.
50:55
Speaker 1: Why did they go with something different?
50:57
Speaker 2: Well, the Carolina Hurricanes have watched Anderson their typical goalie.
51:03
Speaker 2: His last two rounds, his numbers have gone way down.
51:08
Speaker 2: He went from a nine to fifty save percentage and
51:11
Speaker 2: just over a goal per game against to eight an
51:16
Speaker 2: eight to fifty six save percentage and almost three goals against.
51:22
Speaker 2: That's a pretty significant falloff. And again, you're playing against
51:26
Speaker 2: better competition as we're talking about the playoffs, so there's
51:29
Speaker 2: some expectation that it's going to get harder and that
51:33
Speaker 2: maybe your numbers aren't going to be as clean as
51:35
Speaker 2: they were. But he gave up against Vegas. Anderson gave
51:43
Speaker 2: up twelve goals on sixty five official shots.
51:47
Speaker 1: For all of you math whizzes out there, that is
51:50
Speaker 1: effectively eighty two.
51:52
Speaker 2: Percent save percentage, which is not good enough if you're
51:56
Speaker 2: trying to win the stand the cup. So they're not good.
52:00
Speaker 2: They go to the bullpen, so to speak, and they're
52:03
Speaker 2: just like, uh, Anderson's a lefty.
52:06
Speaker 1: They're like, give me the young kid. He doesn't have
52:11
Speaker 1: any playoff starts. Coach, I know we're gonna do it
52:15
Speaker 1: in game four. Good job, Brandon Bussy.
52:20
Speaker 3: And it's not like it's not like he was all
52:23
Speaker 3: world like he gave up, gave up three goals, but
52:26
Speaker 3: he was good enough to good enough to help him
52:29
Speaker 3: get the win. His parents weren't even going to the game,
52:36
Speaker 3: no expectation for him.
52:38
Speaker 1: Because they didn't think he was gonna play. His parents
52:40
Speaker 1: were just like, yeah, we'll watch it on TV.
52:42
Speaker 2: We're proud of his son for being And he had
52:44
Speaker 2: to call him and just be like, hey, I'm getting
52:45
Speaker 2: the start.
52:46
Speaker 1: So they flew. They did.
52:48
Speaker 2: They didn't get there, okay, but they were in New York. Yeah,
52:51
Speaker 2: of course they were like, I'm not going, like we're
52:53
Speaker 2: going to the Knicks game.
52:56
Speaker 1: Sorry, son, what'd you say? I know I'm in.
52:59
Speaker 2: I'm in line Madison Square Garden. It's taken a really
53:01
Speaker 2: long time to get in. What's that you're gonna start.
53:06
Speaker 2: Oh good joke. That's crazy, That's that is crazy. I
53:11
Speaker 2: thought you heard me go ah disappointment, like, oh man,
53:16
Speaker 2: they missed. They weren't able to be there in person.
53:18
Speaker 2: I'm glad they made it in person in Vegas. He
53:22
Speaker 2: stopped nine shots in the third period when Vegas was
53:27
Speaker 2: really putting on the pressure, nine for nine, preserved the
53:31
Speaker 2: victory for Carolina. And you got to start him in
53:37
Speaker 2: Game five.
53:38
Speaker 1: Yeah.
53:39
Speaker 3: I mean that's the thing that I've learned a lot
53:42
Speaker 3: over the last few years as I've paid a lot
53:45
Speaker 3: more attention to playoff hockey. The hot goaltender is better
53:50
Speaker 3: than the For coaches, they see the hot goaltender as
53:54
Speaker 3: better than the dependable guy with the with the better
53:58
Speaker 3: and longer track record, and Bussy right now has got
54:02
Speaker 3: to be looked at as the hot goalten.
54:03
Speaker 1: And like you, if you're Anderson, you probably there's probably
54:09
Speaker 1: some relief there. Everyone is.
54:11
Speaker 2: All these guys are elite, hardcore competitors, right. But if
54:14
Speaker 2: you're getting a little bit yippy and you're gonna be
54:17
Speaker 2: blamed for your team not winning a Stanley Cup final
54:22
Speaker 2: when you get pulled in the third period of Game three,
54:26
Speaker 2: you're probably just like, all right, this is gonna allow
54:28
Speaker 2: me to reset. Then this kid comes out and plays
54:31
Speaker 2: a great game. Obviously you're like, dang, I might have
54:34
Speaker 2: just lost my job. But if he's helping you win
54:38
Speaker 2: a cup, and what's the worst case scenario? Now bussy
54:45
Speaker 2: gets an opportunity to do this again, or maybe you know,
54:48
Speaker 2: when he's got more time to think about it, maybe
54:50
Speaker 2: the moment gets a little bit bigger, a little bit scary,
54:52
Speaker 2: a little bit harder. Now you've got your normal starter
54:55
Speaker 2: that you can pull the surprise and you can put
54:58
Speaker 2: your normal starter back in the game. If you're the
55:00
Speaker 2: players around these goalkeepers, these goaltenders, you're looking at this
55:05
Speaker 2: situation like, all right, now we've got we've got a
55:08
Speaker 2: reliable second option here. Even if that reliable second option
55:11
Speaker 2: is your normal starter, you got to feel better about it.
55:15
Speaker 2: If you're Carolina, Yeah, to change the dynamic of this
55:18
Speaker 2: series pretty drastically, honestly, and to localize it.
55:22
Speaker 3: This is why the backup goaltender is such a big
55:25
Speaker 3: deal for the Utah Mammoth because we saw this past
55:28
Speaker 3: season there was a lot of hope for VTech Manachek,
55:30
Speaker 3: who's a Stanley Cup champion, and has had some good
55:34
Speaker 3: games as a backup goaltender for the Ford. The Panthers
55:36
Speaker 3: heading into this past season didn't do very didn't do
55:40
Speaker 3: well enough for Bear Torning. You to be able to
55:43
Speaker 3: be able to trust him basically at any point at
55:46
Speaker 3: the last half of the season, including all six games
55:49
Speaker 3: in the playoffs, and Veggie wasn't all world you need.
55:54
Speaker 3: You need that guy in case, your number one guy.
55:57
Speaker 3: As much as we love Veggie and as effective as
55:59
Speaker 3: he can be when he's off a little bit, you
56:02
Speaker 3: need to be able to have a trustworthy goaltender behind
56:05
Speaker 3: you to come and be able to come and relief
56:08
Speaker 3: and become that hot goaltender. Mammoth haven't had that luxury
56:12
Speaker 3: over the over the last couple of seasons. They didn't
56:14
Speaker 3: have it in their playoff series lost to Vegas. Hopefully
56:17
Speaker 3: that's something they can have going forward.
56:21
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Speaker 2: your tickets, and then the secondary market will do its thing.
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Speaker 2: But this is for all the people who did not
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Speaker 2: the general public. So if you missed your opportunity and
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Speaker 2: you've looked at the secondary market and been like that
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Speaker 2: is disgusting. I'm not paying that much money for a
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Speaker 2: regular season hockey game. I understand this is your opportunity
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Speaker 2: beginning next Tuesday, to get yourself in the queue and
59:44
Speaker 2: try to get yourself the face value tickets. Even face value,
59:48
Speaker 2: by the way, is pretty expensive, I'll tell you that.
59:51
Speaker 2: But the logic is once in a lifetime kind of situation.
59:56
Speaker 2: I mean, you can go look at it this way.
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Speaker 2: Maybe you budget you tried to budget.
1:00:00
Speaker 3: For World Cup tickets before you knew what the prices were,
1:00:03
Speaker 3: and you're like, WHOA, that's out of my budget. Maybe
1:00:05
Speaker 3: these Maybe since you already budgeted for that and you
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Speaker 3: can't go, maybe this will fit in your.
1:00:09
Speaker 1: Budget for that.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not going to advocate forever reselling tickets, but
1:00:16
Speaker 2: if you can get the face value ticket, and like
1:00:19
Speaker 2: I think eight is the most you can buy it once,
1:00:21
Speaker 2: if you get eight tickets, then maybe you can offload
1:00:25
Speaker 2: a couple and pay.
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Speaker 1: For your own tickets.
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Speaker 2: I don't advocate for that because you should leave the
1:00:31
Speaker 2: four that you don't want to use for somebody else
1:00:33
Speaker 2: to get at face value.
1:00:34
Speaker 1: But you know, we do live in a capitalist society.
1:00:37
Speaker 2: There are ways, by the way, as long as we're
1:00:42
Speaker 2: talking about tickets in those World Cup tickets. I told
1:00:45
Speaker 2: you when we were speaking with Lauren Beck, I have
1:00:47
Speaker 2: not yet looked up the getting price for Sofi Stadium
1:00:51
Speaker 2: for the US men's national team debut.
1:00:55
Speaker 1: At Inglewood. And you know what, as many.
1:01:00
Speaker 2: People anticipated, the get in price has come down just
1:01:03
Speaker 2: a little bit. Not significantly, but it's down just a
1:01:08
Speaker 2: little bit. You can get into this game USA Paraguay
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Speaker 2: this Friday, six pm.
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Speaker 3: Is it under eight hundred? It's eight hundred and eighty
1:01:19
Speaker 3: one dollars. See, I'm waiting for it to get under
1:01:24
Speaker 3: eight hundred. Oh see, well it can't go yet.
1:01:26
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:01:26
Speaker 2: Here's the thing though, James, this is where it's getting
1:01:30
Speaker 2: most interesting for me, because eight hundred and eighty one
1:01:33
Speaker 2: dollars is in the nose bleeds.
1:01:37
Speaker 1: Okay, you're way way up there.
1:01:40
Speaker 2: If you're willing to pay fifteen six, fifteen fifty seven,
1:01:46
Speaker 2: you're sitting in the lower bowl, you're row eleven.
1:01:51
Speaker 3: That's we talked about this with the Messi match Messi
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Speaker 3: Day at America First Field in Sandy. It was it
1:02:01
Speaker 3: was about that split you're paying, You're paying, you know,
1:02:04
Speaker 3: hundreds of dollars for and like feels out of budget
1:02:08
Speaker 3: for nosebleed very top of the stadium. But it was
1:02:11
Speaker 3: what twelve hundred for basically front row tickets, yeah, at
1:02:16
Speaker 3: the for the messy match.
1:02:18
Speaker 1: I mean this is.
1:02:21
Speaker 3: If you if I could afford eight hundred, I might
1:02:24
Speaker 3: think about paying double that to sit on the eleventh row.
1:02:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean row eleven, seats five and six. And
1:02:32
Speaker 2: this is on stub Hub, which is unlike ticket Master.
1:02:36
Speaker 2: Stub Hub has the uh this will be the view
1:02:38
Speaker 2: from your seat, like the little AI generated thing.
1:02:41
Speaker 1: And I mean it's pretty good. It's not bad.
1:02:45
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hold up my screen to the YouTube feed
1:02:47
Speaker 2: all right in case all of you out there are
1:02:49
Speaker 2: just pining to know what that seat looks like.
1:02:52
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a that's pretty good.
1:02:54
Speaker 2: It's a nice little lower bowl seat there, not bad.
1:02:57
Speaker 2: Nicely weekend with your high lower bowl seat, a.
1:03:00
Speaker 1: Little home depot, a bed bath and beyond and lower bowl.
1:03:04
Speaker 2: Seats a little Sofi stadium. Now I think, so, I'm
1:03:11
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. This is how my brain works with
1:03:13
Speaker 2: these things, is I'm like, oh, did I just find
1:03:16
Speaker 2: I just find it a cool little bargain on this
1:03:18
Speaker 2: should I surprise my wife and get her a couple
1:03:21
Speaker 2: of tickets and suit it two days before, two days before,
1:03:24
Speaker 2: and then just be like, you know, because there is
1:03:26
Speaker 2: a place to stay in southern California. She's like, all right,
1:03:29
Speaker 2: but then you know where I would get absolutely hyper furious, James,
1:03:34
Speaker 2: is you pay fifteen hundred dollars for the seat, so
1:03:38
Speaker 2: three thousand basically for two seats, And now you're like, oh, crap,
1:03:41
Speaker 2: I forgot I got to buy two of these things.
1:03:44
Speaker 2: And then it's gonna be four hundred dollars for the
1:03:46
Speaker 2: dang ubers in and out of the stadium. Yeah, And
1:03:50
Speaker 2: then that's where, because my brain is twisted in backwards,
1:03:54
Speaker 2: that's where I'm gonna start getting mad.
1:03:55
Speaker 3: Even if you had even if you had your own car,
1:03:57
Speaker 3: you're paying that much in gas probably.
1:03:59
Speaker 2: Well the parking. The parking is gonna be two hundred
1:04:04
Speaker 2: and fifty bucks. Yeah, plus the six hours of your
1:04:07
Speaker 2: day that you spend trying to get in and out.
1:04:08
Speaker 1: I mean it's gonna be.
1:04:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna pay more than you want
1:04:13
Speaker 2: to somehow oc And and it ultimately comes down to
1:04:17
Speaker 2: someone like me, who's not a hardcore soccer fan, right,
1:04:22
Speaker 2: doesn't know everybody on this US men's national team doesn't
1:04:26
Speaker 2: have like, obviously I want to see team USA win
1:04:29
Speaker 2: at all, doesn't have any kind of realistic expectation. It
1:04:34
Speaker 2: really comes down to do I want to be able
1:04:36
Speaker 2: to say, not even to other people, not on social media.
1:04:40
Speaker 2: I'm out of that world now, thankfully, where I feel
1:04:43
Speaker 2: like I've got to like prove to everyone what I'm doing.
1:04:45
Speaker 1: But do I want to be able to say to myself,
1:04:49
Speaker 1: to my kids and.
1:04:50
Speaker 2: Have that memory, have that memory of self, I went
1:04:53
Speaker 2: to a World Cup soccer game and it was awesome, Like,
1:04:56
Speaker 2: am I willing to pay five grand to go to
1:04:58
Speaker 2: a World Cup soccer game?
1:05:00
Speaker 1: And for some people the answer to that is absolutely.
1:05:03
Speaker 2: Well, you think about the Athletic wrote that they had
1:05:06
Speaker 2: that piece and Athletic about the fans who paid tens
1:05:11
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars to go to the next game.
1:05:14
Speaker 1: Yes, and some some more.
1:05:16
Speaker 3: And you mentioned you mentioned the other other people asking
1:05:20
Speaker 3: asking fans how much they paid. Right in that article
1:05:24
Speaker 3: in the Athletic, when they asked, when he asked it,
1:05:27
Speaker 3: do you feel like that.
1:05:28
Speaker 1: Was worth it?
1:05:29
Speaker 2: Almost all of them said, yeah, we're huge Knicks fans,
1:05:32
Speaker 2: it's absolutely worth it.
1:05:33
Speaker 1: We had to take it. We got to take out
1:05:35
Speaker 1: a loan. But that's fine. That's not fine. At the
1:05:38
Speaker 1: end of the five people we don't support that.
1:05:41
Speaker 3: But the end of the game when they lost, they
1:05:44
Speaker 3: were not feeling like it was as fine. But before
1:05:47
Speaker 3: the game they're like, yeah, this is worth it. It's
1:05:49
Speaker 3: the same similar thing when you're talking about a World Cup.
1:05:53
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't have that kind of money for it,
1:05:57
Speaker 3: but if I if I could afford that, I would
1:06:00
Speaker 3: feel like it was worth it to do it.
1:06:01
Speaker 2: I have to find the video that I watched, because
1:06:04
Speaker 2: like one guy was for sure in the mob, and
1:06:07
Speaker 2: another guy had to have been a drug sanitation another
1:06:11
Speaker 2: guy had to have been a drug dealer, because they're
1:06:12
Speaker 2: just like, how much did you pay for your seat?
1:06:14
Speaker 2: And he was like, I was like forty two thousand,
1:06:16
Speaker 2: and they're like, what do you do for it? He's like,
1:06:18
Speaker 2: I'm actually unemployed. This is kind of crazy. Now you're
1:06:20
Speaker 2: not you're not You're not unemployed. If you're unemployed, if
1:06:23
Speaker 2: you've pent that much money, you know what I mean.
1:06:25
Speaker 2: So I gotta find that video so I can retweet
1:06:27
Speaker 2: it or something. But in any case, that's your getting
1:06:30
Speaker 2: price right now. At so FI eight one hundred and
1:06:32
Speaker 2: eighty one dollars. We'll get you in the building all
1:06:35
Speaker 2: the way up at the top. But if you can
1:06:37
Speaker 2: double that which I go, I get is a big ask.
1:06:40
Speaker 2: You're down on row eleven in the lower bowl if
1:06:43
Speaker 2: you want to sit, if you've got you know, you
1:06:45
Speaker 2: can't go to double the price, but you can go
1:06:48
Speaker 2: up from eighty one to twelve seventy eight. You're in
1:06:52
Speaker 2: the You're in the second tier of seats in the
1:06:56
Speaker 2: Is this the non gamblers version of like going double
1:07:01
Speaker 2: or nothing? You know what, maybe I will just spend
1:07:03
Speaker 2: the extra money for this higher ticket because I feel
1:07:06
Speaker 2: that's kind of like the tempting thing, even though I
1:07:08
Speaker 2: am no no chance I'm making it to this World
1:07:11
Speaker 2: Cup game. In the back of my mind, I'm like,
1:07:13
Speaker 2: all I gotta do is double it and I get
1:07:15
Speaker 2: eleven eleven throw seats.
1:07:17
Speaker 1: You know it's so funny.
1:07:18
Speaker 2: Is I can't tell you how many fights my wife
1:07:21
Speaker 2: and I have got in over this exact line of thinking,
1:07:25
Speaker 2: where I'm.
1:07:25
Speaker 1: Just like, why did you spend so much on that?
1:07:27
Speaker 2: Well, the regular one was fifty dollars and this one
1:07:30
Speaker 2: was only seventy five and it's way better, and I'm just.
1:07:33
Speaker 1: Like, no, spend the fifty what are you doing? Why
1:07:36
Speaker 1: are you like? Why are you buying boar's head lunch meat?
1:07:41
Speaker 1: You could just get the regulars. It costs twice. It's better. No,
1:07:44
Speaker 1: it isn't. It's not better. It's got better branding. Stop it.
1:07:49
Speaker 2: But we probably have a boar's Head rep by the
1:07:51
Speaker 2: way driving around that's going to text in eight seven
1:07:54
Speaker 2: seven three five three zero seventy. If you need advertising,
1:07:56
Speaker 2: it ain't better, okay if you if you need adddvertising,
1:08:01
Speaker 2: we will say it was it is better.
1:08:03
Speaker 1: We promise you can prove it to me if you
1:08:04
Speaker 1: think it's that much better. But but now I'm doing
1:08:07
Speaker 1: it on air.
1:08:08
Speaker 2: As much as I have fought against this line of
1:08:10
Speaker 2: thinking for years, I'm now doing it on it. I'm
1:08:13
Speaker 2: now falling into just like, well, yeah, you know what,
1:08:15
Speaker 2: Actually it's only literal double the cost, but the seat
1:08:20
Speaker 2: is better, it's a much better experience.
1:08:23
Speaker 3: Every fast food place has the it's only this much
1:08:26
Speaker 3: more to go up another size.
1:08:28
Speaker 2: It's only forty cents more to supersize, and you're just
1:08:31
Speaker 2: it's only an extra eight hundred calories when you do so.
1:08:36
Speaker 1: That's how did I do this? How did I've become
1:08:40
Speaker 1: that which I hate?
1:08:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the on the air, I hope I know
1:08:44
Speaker 3: you said your wife never listens, but I hope she's
1:08:46
Speaker 3: listening right now, so she can, she can, she can
1:08:49
Speaker 3: tell you home.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: See see, yeah, we're safe, We're safe. Did you see.
1:08:54
Speaker 3: By the way, Mauricio po Chattino says we don't have
1:08:58
Speaker 3: anybody in the top one hundred, but we can win
1:09:01
Speaker 3: the World Cup. Well, I mean, you expect that from
1:09:04
Speaker 3: a coach, but he sounded and reading it, it sounds
1:09:09
Speaker 3: like he he actually does believe that, which he got
1:09:12
Speaker 3: to love from the US men's nationals.
1:09:14
Speaker 2: So the Guardian put out their annual list of the
1:09:17
Speaker 2: top players in the world, and Christian Polistic is the
1:09:20
Speaker 2: top US player.
1:09:21
Speaker 1: He's ranked one sixteen.
1:09:23
Speaker 2: Now, the Guardian is never gonna give American players the
1:09:27
Speaker 2: credit they deserve.
1:09:28
Speaker 3: So there's something that you could take away from that bias.
1:09:31
Speaker 3: We hate the Guardian for that reason.
1:09:34
Speaker 2: Pulistic, Let's say he's player number eighty right instead of
1:09:37
Speaker 2: player number one sixteen. I don't know, and I honestly
1:09:44
Speaker 2: like I don't enjoy admitting this. I don't know enough
1:09:48
Speaker 2: about the gap between Leo Messi and Christian Polistic to
1:09:53
Speaker 2: tell you one way or another how important it is
1:09:56
Speaker 2: to have those elite, elite, elite megastar level play in
1:10:01
Speaker 2: order to win. I don't think because soccer is a
1:10:03
Speaker 2: game where so much happens. There are so many random
1:10:09
Speaker 2: variables in every single game. It's it's hockey on a
1:10:13
Speaker 2: much much, much, much much larger scale, right, and there
1:10:17
Speaker 2: are just all of these little micro adjustments and things.
1:10:20
Speaker 1: You you cannot live on one player alone.
1:10:23
Speaker 2: Now having those players in addition to having a bunch
1:10:27
Speaker 2: of other guys. The problem is not that you don't
1:10:29
Speaker 2: have a top one hundred player if you want to
1:10:32
Speaker 2: win the World Cup. Is the problem is you have
1:10:35
Speaker 2: to have five top one hundred players to win the
1:10:38
Speaker 2: World Cup at various positions. They've got to be on
1:10:42
Speaker 2: the pitch together at the same time. This is soccer,
1:10:46
Speaker 2: I mean, all all sports are like this. Basketball is
1:10:50
Speaker 2: the one where you can get by on having like
1:10:56
Speaker 2: you can do pretty well with one megastar, you can
1:10:59
Speaker 2: do really well with two big time stars. But even
1:11:04
Speaker 2: now we're finding out that if you have the defending
1:11:08
Speaker 2: the reigning MVP and.
1:11:11
Speaker 1: Other guys who are like all star caliber players, but
1:11:13
Speaker 1: they don't play up to snuff. What do you get?
1:11:15
Speaker 2: You get what happened to Oklahoma City? And you you
1:11:19
Speaker 2: lose before you're expected to. Yeah, like they had Shay Gildess,
1:11:23
Speaker 2: Alexander this year's MVP, back to back MVP, Right, chet
1:11:27
Speaker 2: Holmgren is a guy that if you look at him,
1:11:30
Speaker 2: if you take Chet Holmgren and how he plays through
1:11:33
Speaker 2: the regular season and through most of these playoffs, you're
1:11:35
Speaker 2: just like, that's exactly the accessory piece that you need.
1:11:38
Speaker 2: But what happens when he disappears in a Western Conference final?
1:11:42
Speaker 2: Then you can't advance, You can't. Right, So do I
1:11:45
Speaker 2: think Team USA is going to win the World Cup? No,
1:11:49
Speaker 2: obviously not. Do I look at it and say, well,
1:11:52
Speaker 2: it's because you don't have a top one hundred player.
1:11:54
Speaker 1: No, it's not that either.
1:11:55
Speaker 2: That's Christian Polistic and everybody else on this team are
1:12:00
Speaker 2: gonna go out there and they're gonna fight. The collaborative
1:12:03
Speaker 2: effort of all guys on the pitch at the same
1:12:06
Speaker 2: time are going to be the difference maker for Team USA.
1:12:10
Speaker 2: And it's not even like Argentina can just roll the
1:12:13
Speaker 2: ball out there and say, well we've got Leo Messi.
1:12:16
Speaker 2: He's the best player in the world. He's maybe the
1:12:18
Speaker 2: best player to ever do it. So we're gonna win
1:12:20
Speaker 2: this thing. Does that guy make a massive difference? Of
1:12:23
Speaker 2: course yes, But if Argentina doesn't also have four of
1:12:28
Speaker 2: the top one hundred alongside him, they're not winning it either.
1:12:33
Speaker 2: The reason people are so high on Spain right now
1:12:36
Speaker 2: is because they have depth. The reason why people are
1:12:40
Speaker 2: so pumped about what France could be this year is
1:12:43
Speaker 2: because France is not just like, yeah, we've got Killian Imbape,
1:12:46
Speaker 2: so we're good. It's because Killian Mbape is surrounded by
1:12:50
Speaker 2: a bunch of other guys that are the number one
1:12:52
Speaker 2: player on their respective teams or the number two player
1:12:55
Speaker 2: on their respective teams. Mauricio Chatino has to say, yes,
1:13:01
Speaker 2: we can win the World Cup. Otherwise you you shouldn't
1:13:04
Speaker 2: be the coach, right he should believe for real they
1:13:09
Speaker 2: can win the World Cup, but he doesn't. None of
1:13:13
Speaker 2: us do. And until it has proven. What team USA,
1:13:18
Speaker 2: the US men's national team has they've won in World
1:13:22
Speaker 2: Cup history? They've won what two elimination games? They've made
1:13:27
Speaker 2: it far into the is the quarters in two thousand
1:13:31
Speaker 2: and two. Yeah, and so that that was the expectation
1:13:36
Speaker 2: for this team going back four to eight or about
1:13:38
Speaker 2: four years ago heading into the last World Cup was
1:13:42
Speaker 2: once they're in the unit like this one will see
1:13:44
Speaker 2: how far they can go. Very talented, But twenty twenty
1:13:48
Speaker 2: six is the year they've been building towards. They that
1:13:52
Speaker 2: should be a team that can get back to the quarterfinals.
1:13:54
Speaker 2: They have not played to that form over the past
1:13:58
Speaker 2: year or so, and so you hear people like Lauren Beck,
1:14:01
Speaker 2: who joined us in last hour, saying, adjusting that to okay,
1:14:07
Speaker 2: let's see if they can win the group.
1:14:08
Speaker 3: That'd be great. If they could just win the group,
1:14:10
Speaker 3: which is obviously a couple rounds well one round.
1:14:17
Speaker 2: Below what we thought was not necessarily a given, but
1:14:20
Speaker 2: that was the hype around this team just a few
1:14:22
Speaker 2: years ago. So yeah, quarters would be the absolute. That
1:14:27
Speaker 2: would be incredible if they make it. There doesn't seem
1:14:29
Speaker 2: like they will, though, we'll keep our fingers crossed. By
1:14:36
Speaker 2: the way, if we did somehow win the World Cup,
1:14:39
Speaker 2: you can't tell America anything.
1:14:40
Speaker 1: We're hockey gold.
1:14:42
Speaker 2: Medalers now, we're the best in soccer two Like, it's
1:14:46
Speaker 2: probably better for the world if we don't, will yeh.
1:14:48
Speaker 1: If we just you know what, let's keep them humble
1:14:51
Speaker 1: in one sport.
1:14:52
Speaker 2: I'll tell you if if we win, if somehow team
1:14:56
Speaker 2: USA is even in the conversation to win a World Cup.
1:14:59
Speaker 2: When I go over when I go overseas next, which
1:15:01
Speaker 2: will be to Wimbledon, I am going to be wearing
1:15:05
Speaker 2: American flag hat, American flag shirt, American flag short, the
1:15:09
Speaker 2: American flagar, the scarves. And when people say anything will
1:15:12
Speaker 2: be like, what's that? We're the best in soccer two
1:15:16
Speaker 2: They're like, it's not even called that. That's not even
1:15:19
Speaker 2: the name of the sport like it is now.
1:15:20
Speaker 1: It is now.
1:15:22
Speaker 2: We're the best at it, so we get to name
1:15:23
Speaker 2: it for the whole world. Guess what you have to
1:15:25
Speaker 2: call football? American football. That's what it is now here
1:15:29
Speaker 2: as well. And we're bringing a team over. You get
1:15:31
Speaker 2: the Jacksonville Jaguars.
1:15:33
Speaker 1: You better like it. You better like it. Trevor Lawrence
1:15:37
Speaker 1: is your guy.
1:15:40
Speaker 2: I know a lot of you are not out there
1:15:41
Speaker 2: watching Orioles baseball. But Braden Montgomery, it's a cool story, rookie.
1:15:51
Speaker 2: It's a walk off home run in his major league debut. Now,
1:16:00
Speaker 2: we have seen plenty of times where guys in their
1:16:04
Speaker 2: first major league get bat. They walk up and they
1:16:06
Speaker 2: hit a home run, which is awesome. Also awesome, right
1:16:10
Speaker 2: that that is just like this fairy tale childhood dream.
1:16:14
Speaker 2: I mean literally, my brother and I used to play
1:16:17
Speaker 2: home run derby with a whiffle ball and a whiffle bat. Yeah,
1:16:21
Speaker 2: in our sideyard where we'd take a swing, we try
1:16:24
Speaker 2: to hit it out, and we'd be this is me
1:16:26
Speaker 2: making my first at bat for the Minnesota Twins or
1:16:28
Speaker 2: whatever like that.
1:16:29
Speaker 1: That's what That's what this Major.
1:16:32
Speaker 2: League baseball offers us sometimes is these great stories. This
1:16:37
Speaker 2: cat goes in and hits a not just like, oh,
1:16:40
Speaker 2: I hit a home run in my first at bat, which,
1:16:42
Speaker 2: by the way, is awesome. Plenty of those teams go
1:16:44
Speaker 2: on though, and they lose and get your You get
1:16:47
Speaker 2: the ball, you keep that bat forever whatever.
1:16:49
Speaker 1: Your teammates know what happened. But then we all forget
1:16:52
Speaker 1: about it.
1:16:52
Speaker 2: This dude hitting a walk off in his first major
1:16:57
Speaker 2: league game, getting your team the win, getting your city
1:17:01
Speaker 2: the win.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: What a beauty fifth player to do it.
1:17:06
Speaker 3: The last guy was Angels player Carlos Perez, the only
1:17:11
Speaker 3: guy I've ever like. Did you say his name and
1:17:15
Speaker 3: you go, oh, I know that guy is Miguel Cabrera
1:17:17
Speaker 3: who did it in two thousand and three for the Marlins.
1:17:20
Speaker 3: So doesn't necessarily mean you're going that that player is
1:17:25
Speaker 3: going to have a Hall of Fame career. Miguel Cabrera
1:17:28
Speaker 3: is the only one of the five that can really
1:17:30
Speaker 3: say that. But I mean, incredible memory for him, incredible
1:17:35
Speaker 3: story for Bradon Montgomery only goes down from here right now,
1:17:40
Speaker 3: It's gonna go up, all.
1:17:43
Speaker 2: Right, before we get to Jeff Schwartz here in a
1:17:45
Speaker 2: couple of minutes, we have to talk about this. The
1:17:48
Speaker 2: Salt Lake Bees in their new ballpark. They've got some
1:17:54
Speaker 2: new mascots to introduce, has some friends. You got Bumble,
1:17:59
Speaker 2: all right, it's not a a cast of characters. All right,
1:18:02
Speaker 2: You've got Bumble. Which was that always Bumble? I don't
1:18:08
Speaker 2: remember what was his name.
1:18:10
Speaker 1: Like Buzzby or something. It's Bumble. Now that's the name.
1:18:13
Speaker 2: Seven three five three zero seven hundred. You now have
1:18:16
Speaker 2: named your mascot after a dating app. Okay, Bumble, honey,
1:18:21
Speaker 2: the best friend is a female Bee. Guys, let's make
1:18:26
Speaker 2: this a romantic interest, can we Let's make it. Let's
1:18:30
Speaker 2: make it like a real Hollywood story. Uh, Daisy a dog.
1:18:37
Speaker 1: I want to know if this is a mascot dog
1:18:39
Speaker 1: or a real dog.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: It's it's a mascot. They're all mascot costumes. I want
1:18:43
Speaker 2: to I want a real dog instead. Okay, bees, But
1:18:47
Speaker 2: Dais is named after Daybreak, where of course the ballpark
1:18:50
Speaker 2: is now.
1:18:50
Speaker 3: So that's that's why the spelling is day s I
1:18:55
Speaker 3: E d A y s i E, which I'm like,
1:18:58
Speaker 3: you know.
1:18:58
Speaker 1: What's just that's just how people tell people spell it.
1:19:01
Speaker 2: In Utah, they talk about the Utah original being the
1:19:05
Speaker 2: dirty sodas that the Dais day is the real Utah
1:19:09
Speaker 2: original there.
1:19:10
Speaker 3: Don't love that, but it makes sense. They're trying to
1:19:13
Speaker 3: do creative thing to name it after their new city.
1:19:15
Speaker 1: Let's see Bumble and friends.
1:19:17
Speaker 2: You've got you got Jensen, who is a Utah raptor
1:19:23
Speaker 2: mascot of sorts. He is named after the paleontologists who
1:19:28
Speaker 2: discovered the Utah raptor. So and all of you out
1:19:31
Speaker 2: there probably know this by now, but the Utah raptor
1:19:35
Speaker 2: is actually a real dinosaur. That is the size of
1:19:38
Speaker 2: the velociraptors that you saw on the Jurassic Park movies.
1:19:41
Speaker 2: The real velociraptors are like knee high, They're tiny. Yeah,
1:19:46
Speaker 2: so the Utah raptor. We they should have just velociraptors
1:19:49
Speaker 2: sounds cooler. That's why they went with velociraptor. Imagine how
1:19:52
Speaker 2: much better it would have been for all of us
1:19:55
Speaker 2: if the Jurassic Park franchise was full of Utah raptors.
1:19:58
Speaker 2: They'd be so sweet. Yeah anyway, uh. And then Swiggy,
1:20:02
Speaker 2: the original dirty soda mascot.
1:20:04
Speaker 3: And the my favorite of this release is the little
1:20:09
Speaker 3: they they did, like a couple of sentences description of
1:20:13
Speaker 3: each of them, little bio of each of them. But
1:20:15
Speaker 3: it all started with Bumble, the charismatic leader, Honey the
1:20:21
Speaker 3: best friend, Daisy the lovable pop, Jensen the sporty prankster.
1:20:27
Speaker 2: I like the sporty prankster. I hope Jensen ends up
1:20:29
Speaker 2: just causing problems for everyone. He's like, uh, he's like
1:20:33
Speaker 2: the Poltergeist. That what's the Poltergeist on on Harry Potter anyway, Uh,
1:20:39
Speaker 2: he can make it prank and everybody. And then Swiggy
1:20:42
Speaker 2: the Utah original. It does appear that they've got Jensen
1:20:45
Speaker 2: with some feathers because of the whole you know, birds
1:20:48
Speaker 2: became or dinosaurs became birds type thing.
1:20:51
Speaker 3: And the new the new research that shows that that
1:20:55
Speaker 3: t rex is typically had feathers.
1:20:59
Speaker 2: So yeah, you know what, I cannot stand when they
1:21:03
Speaker 2: do the renderings of the t rex covered in like
1:21:06
Speaker 2: fluffy feathers and just make them look like a giant goose. Yeah,
1:21:10
Speaker 2: can't handle it, man.
1:21:11
Speaker 1: I mean.
1:21:13
Speaker 3: It's probably gonna be generational. Those of us like me
1:21:17
Speaker 3: and you and older are gonna be like, that's just
1:21:19
Speaker 3: the wrong, that's just wrong. And younger since this new
1:21:22
Speaker 3: research has come out, No, they had feathers.
1:21:24
Speaker 1: That's what a t rex looks used to look like.
1:21:28
Speaker 1: Don't like it, Do not like it.
1:21:31
Speaker 2: No direct fossil evidence of feathers has been found, specifically
1:21:35
Speaker 2: in preserved Utah raptor remains. Scientists agree it almost certainly
1:21:41
Speaker 2: possessed feathers. Huh, we might have something for my airing
1:21:46
Speaker 2: a grievances on Friday there. Maybe all right, I gotta
1:21:50
Speaker 2: take a quick one here. Jeff Schwartz are football insider
1:21:54
Speaker 2: and gambling insider. Well, the Venn diagram has come to
1:21:59
Speaker 2: a great concentration point as we talk about the Brendan
1:22:02
Speaker 2: Soresby saga with Jeff Schwartz. Next, it's the Sean O'Connell
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Speaker 2: There's no significant update on the Brendan Soresby saga here
1:22:41
Speaker 2: on The Sean O'Connell Show, ESPN seven hundred ninety twoe FM.
1:22:45
Speaker 1: Reports are out that.
1:22:48
Speaker 2: On the athletic director's call organized by the Big Twelve yesterday,
1:22:53
Speaker 2: all fifteen of the non Texas Tech athletic directors, we're
1:22:58
Speaker 2: protesting and saying we don't want Brendan so to be eligible.
1:23:00
Speaker 2: We don't want Brendon s soores be to be able
1:23:02
Speaker 2: to play for fourteen. That makes sense for Cincinnati. Cincinnati,
1:23:09
Speaker 2: you have to just recuse yourself. Cincinnati was alerted to
1:23:13
Speaker 2: Brendan Soresby's gambling last August and still let him play,
1:23:18
Speaker 2: so Cincinnati cannot protest.
1:23:21
Speaker 1: Hopefully they were called out on the call yesterday. I
1:23:24
Speaker 1: hope Mark Harlan.
1:23:27
Speaker 2: Was like, yeah, we don't you know, express the Utah
1:23:30
Speaker 2: opinion whatever that is, You're you're the boss, you're the
1:23:32
Speaker 2: head of the department. You can do your thing. I
1:23:35
Speaker 2: hope that everyone else was like, Hey, Cincinnati, shut up.
1:23:41
Speaker 2: If i'm Texas Tech, especially I'm going Cincinnati. You can't
1:23:45
Speaker 2: say a word about Brendan Sooresby being eligible to play here.
1:23:50
Speaker 1: You should have said he was ineligible to play there.
1:23:54
Speaker 2: Of course, Cincinnati couldn't afford that, and Texas Tech feels
1:23:57
Speaker 2: like they can't afford it either.
1:23:58
Speaker 1: That's the whole problem we have here.
1:24:00
Speaker 2: Social media is rife with opinion and news and all
1:24:04
Speaker 2: that stuff around this saga and around the decision by
1:24:08
Speaker 2: a judge in Texas to grant an injunction allowing Brendan
1:24:12
Speaker 2: Soorsby to be eligible for the twenty twenty six college
1:24:16
Speaker 2: football season. As I have stayed him many times now,
1:24:19
Speaker 2: I went all the way up and down the ladder
1:24:22
Speaker 2: and settled on you know what, fine, let him play.
1:24:24
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna give you what you think anyway.
1:24:28
Speaker 2: And I think that everyone is gonna be hating on
1:24:30
Speaker 2: you guys for the entire season, and you're gonna deserve it.
1:24:37
Speaker 2: Let's see what Jeff Schwartz thinks. This is a guy
1:24:39
Speaker 2: I want to make sure we have the right context here.
1:24:41
Speaker 2: Jeff played at the University of Oregon. Jeff played a
1:24:45
Speaker 2: decade in the NFL. Jeff has been every level of football.
1:24:48
Speaker 2: He's been in every conversation with football. And Jeff is
1:24:51
Speaker 2: also a sports gambling officionado, so knows all the watchdog organization,
1:25:00
Speaker 2: knows all of the steps and the tips and the
1:25:02
Speaker 2: tricks of the trade to make sure we keep corruption
1:25:05
Speaker 2: out of the sports themselves by flagging things like I
1:25:09
Speaker 2: don't know players gambling or irregular betting habits and things
1:25:13
Speaker 2: like that. He speaks from a much more knowledgeable perspective
1:25:17
Speaker 2: than the average bloke. Jeff Schwartz joins us.
1:25:20
Speaker 1: Now, Hi, Jeff, heybod how you do it? I know
1:25:25
Speaker 1: it's been a long time.
1:25:26
Speaker 2: I hope you're getting geared up for me to bother you,
1:25:29
Speaker 2: like on a weekly basis, at least sooner than later.
1:25:32
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to starting the season. Absolutely, you would
1:25:35
Speaker 5: like this today in class, my last my daughter's last day,
1:25:38
Speaker 5: would say that the teacher did like an awards right,
1:25:42
Speaker 5: and she gave my daughter like the most peaceful class
1:25:45
Speaker 5: made award essentially, And I sent it to a group text.
1:25:47
Speaker 5: The family group text and I'm shaw it and they
1:25:50
Speaker 5: were shocked because her nickname is the witch Dragon. The
1:25:55
Speaker 5: witch Dragon got to the Peaceful Beaver Award whatever it
1:25:59
Speaker 5: was at school today. Old Emmy Schwartz, you much after
1:26:03
Speaker 5: your kids be peaceful in school? Then not, I guess,
1:26:05
Speaker 5: but that is not my daughter. That's the life right now.
1:26:09
Speaker 1: That's hilarious.
1:26:10
Speaker 2: Just uh, just a different to different personality when with
1:26:16
Speaker 2: her schoolmates.
1:26:16
Speaker 1: Then when she's at home, that's good.
1:26:19
Speaker 5: I'll take it. Yeah.
1:26:20
Speaker 1: Uh, let's talk about this Soresby thing.
1:26:22
Speaker 2: Obviously, you know he's been granted the injunction, he's eligible
1:26:26
Speaker 2: to play. Depending on who you talk to, there are
1:26:29
Speaker 2: a lot of folks that expressed like shock and dismay
1:26:31
Speaker 2: over this. And then we had, for example, like Ari
1:26:34
Speaker 2: Tempkin on yesterday and Ari's like, I've been telling people
1:26:37
Speaker 2: this is how it's going to end, that he is
1:26:39
Speaker 2: going to get this injunction, he is going to be
1:26:41
Speaker 2: allowed to play this year. Where were you on your
1:26:44
Speaker 2: level of surprise when it came to Soresby winning his
1:26:48
Speaker 2: case and getting to play in twenty twenty six.
1:26:52
Speaker 5: Well, it depends you to care about the rule of
1:26:55
Speaker 5: law or not right because he broke the rules like
1:27:00
Speaker 5: he may he broke the rules, and you know he
1:27:03
Speaker 5: claimed that it was his you know, his mental health, right,
1:27:07
Speaker 5: his gambling addiction. That was the reason why you know,
1:27:11
Speaker 5: he made these wagers and the reason why he was
1:27:13
Speaker 5: involved in sports wagering, and he went to rehab for it.
1:27:17
Speaker 5: And that the NAA dot consider those you know, those
1:27:22
Speaker 5: uh Midiam sugar stantas when they're supposed to consider that
1:27:26
Speaker 5: for whether or not you are suspended. But he broke
1:27:29
Speaker 5: the rule that we all know as players. You cannot
1:27:32
Speaker 5: bet in your own team. It's a very black and
1:27:33
Speaker 5: white rule, do not bet your own team. Right now,
1:27:36
Speaker 5: people will say, well, he wasn't playing at the time,
1:27:39
Speaker 5: and you're right, he wasn't playing at the time. But Sean,
1:27:42
Speaker 5: if you started allowing this to happen, then what happens next?
1:27:46
Speaker 5: Can I have a start wagering on games they're playing,
1:27:48
Speaker 5: like that's the next lastical thing to happen. Like, the
1:27:51
Speaker 5: idea is that you you the reason why I think
1:27:54
Speaker 5: you have to be so harsh in punishing players at
1:27:59
Speaker 5: the lowest level of crime, right is because you don't
1:28:03
Speaker 5: want this to escalate to something else. And if you
1:28:06
Speaker 5: allow the first thing to happen. Then the next thing's
1:28:08
Speaker 5: gonna happen. Nexting's gonna happen, thishing's gonna happen, right, And
1:28:12
Speaker 5: so that's what that's what I worry about. And look,
1:28:16
Speaker 5: the judge, you know, said you know that that this
1:28:18
Speaker 5: is doing repeal harm to him to out of season,
1:28:21
Speaker 5: So he's basically gonna stay the case right until after
1:28:25
Speaker 5: the season. We'll figure out them. Well obviously you'll being
1:28:27
Speaker 5: the NFL that too play to be suspended. Right. I
1:28:30
Speaker 5: think it's a really bad message to send that you
1:28:32
Speaker 5: can gamble on your own team and then blame mental health.
1:28:35
Speaker 5: And look, you talk about mental health, I talk about it.
1:28:38
Speaker 5: We we have our own you know, you know, issues
1:28:40
Speaker 5: to deal with in our lives. But I find it
1:28:45
Speaker 5: hard to believe that a rule that is so steadfast
1:28:51
Speaker 5: and you don't gamble on your team, it's something you
1:28:54
Speaker 5: can claim mental health is the reason why you broke
1:28:59
Speaker 5: the rule, right, Like, it's not like you consciously did that.
1:29:02
Speaker 5: You knew what you were doing. In my opinion, you
1:29:05
Speaker 5: knew what you were doing when you place those best
1:29:07
Speaker 5: because it's not something that's like maybe maybe don't bet
1:29:10
Speaker 5: on your team, well, don't bet on your team, don't
1:29:12
Speaker 5: bet on the sport you're playing. They have meetings about this,
1:29:15
Speaker 5: and I'm sure Utah will have an extra meeting this
1:29:18
Speaker 5: summer when the players come back, they'll start a training
1:29:21
Speaker 5: camp about sports Wade during. Everyone does it. Everyone knows
1:29:25
Speaker 5: what it's about. So I just found it to be
1:29:27
Speaker 5: the wrong decision in my opinion. And if you can't
1:29:33
Speaker 5: just say, hey, he broke a rule, he gets suspend
1:29:36
Speaker 5: it for it. Why do any rules matter, right, Well,
1:29:40
Speaker 5: I can just always say, well, my mental health, my
1:29:43
Speaker 5: mental health, my mental health, Sean, we have no rules
1:29:46
Speaker 5: anymore that we're at. We have no rules whatsoever in
1:29:49
Speaker 5: college sports.
1:29:50
Speaker 1: Well, I know this is not a criminal case.
1:29:52
Speaker 2: This is an eligibility case, but it does set, like
1:29:55
Speaker 2: you said, it sets a very dangerous precedent where you say,
1:29:59
Speaker 2: all right, well, if the gambling is the in this case,
1:30:02
Speaker 2: the illegal activity illegal by the rules of the body
1:30:06
Speaker 2: that you exist under as a college football player.
1:30:09
Speaker 3: You know it.
1:30:10
Speaker 1: You have known it. Everyone knows it.
1:30:12
Speaker 2: You clearly exhibited that you knew it was against the
1:30:14
Speaker 2: rules because you were trying to hide it. And then
1:30:17
Speaker 2: when it all came out, then you decided that this
1:30:19
Speaker 2: was a mental health problem.
1:30:20
Speaker 1: For yourself.
1:30:21
Speaker 2: If if gambling and then your the consequences of gambling
1:30:28
Speaker 2: are going to be detrimental to your mental health, then
1:30:31
Speaker 2: why is this not just the defense the injunction that
1:30:33
Speaker 2: every player, in every case, in every sport is always
1:30:37
Speaker 2: going to seek. I was drunk driving, and now I'm
1:30:42
Speaker 2: suspended for a game for drunk driving. But being suspended
1:30:45
Speaker 2: for this game is actually going to be detrimental to
1:30:47
Speaker 2: my mental health. So I need a judge to push
1:30:50
Speaker 2: this off until February so I can play like I
1:30:54
Speaker 2: was being somewhat facetious yesterday when I said I'm not
1:30:57
Speaker 2: going to accept any negative consequence for any of my
1:30:59
Speaker 2: actions ever again. But that's effective effectively, what is happening here.
1:31:04
Speaker 2: He's a guy who broke the rule thousands and thousands
1:31:06
Speaker 2: of times, knew he was breaking the rule while he
1:31:08
Speaker 2: was doing it, and instead of having to pay the
1:31:10
Speaker 2: consequences for that, he just cries wolf about, oh well,
1:31:14
Speaker 2: it'll be too hard for me to miss this season,
1:31:18
Speaker 2: so he's protected from it. No negative consequences means I
1:31:22
Speaker 2: don't have to accept when I do something wrong, whatever
1:31:25
Speaker 2: that punishment is.
1:31:28
Speaker 5: You're exactly right. Unfortunately, it does feel like this is
1:31:33
Speaker 5: happening way too often and other walks of society right
1:31:37
Speaker 5: where people committing crimes and getting away with it and whatnot.
1:31:40
Speaker 5: And this is and again it's not a crime. I
1:31:42
Speaker 5: mean's nothing illegal, right, It's so that's the wrong way
1:31:45
Speaker 5: we've heard used to use. But the fact is, like
1:31:48
Speaker 5: and the dinner see may he did it, Yeah, I
1:31:50
Speaker 5: did it.
1:31:50
Speaker 8: I did it.
1:31:50
Speaker 5: I did it, And it does look gamily addiction is real. Okay,
1:31:56
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that he doesn't have a gambling addiction
1:31:59
Speaker 5: or that it's not a real thing he has. But
1:32:02
Speaker 5: he also knew that what he was doing was illegal.
1:32:05
Speaker 5: I can't imagine it, know that right because of all
1:32:07
Speaker 5: the so what this feels like it's going to allow
1:32:12
Speaker 5: what you say to just come up with that as
1:32:14
Speaker 5: your as your reasoning every time and maybe take away
1:32:17
Speaker 5: from some real mental health issues right that are bothering
1:32:19
Speaker 5: people in the sport that come up now and then,
1:32:21
Speaker 5: And like, I just I don't like you man. Like
1:32:26
Speaker 5: another thing I want to say, I see this pushback
1:32:30
Speaker 5: a lot. We've just been on his own team. Why
1:32:33
Speaker 5: is it? Why do you care? Why does it matter?
1:32:35
Speaker 5: And I'll tell you why it matters in my opinion,
1:32:38
Speaker 5: So people will say, well, just just beg your team
1:32:41
Speaker 5: to win, Like, who cares? Well, let me let me
1:32:43
Speaker 5: tell you something, Sean, If you have an extra five
1:32:47
Speaker 5: thousand on a game, ten thousands on the game, are
1:32:49
Speaker 5: you gonna do some unnatural things try to win that game?
1:32:52
Speaker 5: Are you a quarterback and to force to throw on
1:32:55
Speaker 5: third down? You're a running back, a wide receiver. Are
1:32:58
Speaker 5: you gonna try to dive over a pile? Put you know,
1:33:02
Speaker 5: put the ball over the goal on a first down
1:33:04
Speaker 5: your coach tells you not to, you fumble the ball
1:33:06
Speaker 5: at the back of the end zone at the touchback right, Like,
1:33:09
Speaker 5: are you gonna? Are you gonna injured players on purpose
1:33:11
Speaker 5: or the other team? You know, there's chances that players
1:33:14
Speaker 5: have every game to pull up and not is you're
1:33:17
Speaker 5: someone of the most time we take the we know
1:33:18
Speaker 5: I want to hurt you. One of my own play
1:33:19
Speaker 5: to hurt people, And like, are players gonna try to
1:33:23
Speaker 5: hurt other guys? What happens? What if your swords being
1:33:27
Speaker 5: you bet on the first seven games of the season
1:33:29
Speaker 5: and you don't bet on game eight. People draftings will
1:33:34
Speaker 5: figure that out pretty fast. Well, what a source we
1:33:36
Speaker 5: know about about this? What happens. If you're down ten
1:33:39
Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars, you need some cash, you can turn
1:33:43
Speaker 5: to a third party. You're gonna turn to the local
1:33:45
Speaker 5: bookie in town. You're gonna turn to someone who tells you, hey, man,
1:33:49
Speaker 5: you can you throw your player puck? You throw the game?
1:33:51
Speaker 5: Like to me, you just have to say no to this,
1:33:53
Speaker 5: all right. The integrity game is so important when you
1:33:58
Speaker 5: watch any sports. We're gonna watch Game fortnight of the
1:34:00
Speaker 5: NBA Finals. When you watch that game tonight, you're watching
1:34:04
Speaker 5: it knowing that the players are there for the right reasons, right,
1:34:08
Speaker 5: they're trying to win the basketball game. If you're watching
1:34:11
Speaker 5: that game, when you think to yourself, I don't know, man,
1:34:13
Speaker 5: I don't know if Lemby's in it for the right
1:34:15
Speaker 5: reasons or printing league. It ruins experiences a fan. It
1:34:18
Speaker 5: makes you question whether or not you know the sport
1:34:21
Speaker 5: you're watching is valid, whether the results are valid. Every
1:34:25
Speaker 5: time tact take place right wrong and difference towards me
1:34:27
Speaker 5: did not throw games. I'm not excusing him doing that.
1:34:30
Speaker 5: He absoutely did not do that. Every interception he throws, though, Sean,
1:34:34
Speaker 5: every every fumble, you're gonna wonder, right, you're hunger about it.
1:34:38
Speaker 5: You know, every late touchdown he throws that, you know,
1:34:41
Speaker 5: to score one more touchdown? You know, do you bet
1:34:44
Speaker 5: on a team in this game? It's just it's all bad.
1:34:48
Speaker 2: You Know what's funny is I he played really pretty
1:34:52
Speaker 2: poor against Utah last year. Cincinnati ended up losing that
1:34:55
Speaker 2: game by whatever was thirty five points, and of we
1:35:01
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, Utah just figured it out, and we
1:35:04
Speaker 2: talked to the coaching staff, and the coaching staff said
1:35:06
Speaker 2: they found some tendencies of his own film that they
1:35:08
Speaker 2: forced him into. And You're like, yep, this coaching staff
1:35:11
Speaker 2: is great and that's why it happened the way it did.
1:35:14
Speaker 2: And I still believe that that is the bulk of it.
1:35:16
Speaker 2: But we had a texter yesterday. It was just like,
1:35:20
Speaker 2: Soorsby's game against Utah last year was absolutely terrible.
1:35:24
Speaker 1: Is his worst game of the year. How do we
1:35:26
Speaker 1: know that he was trying his hardest?
1:35:27
Speaker 2: And I'm like, man like, even though I I just
1:35:32
Speaker 2: don't want to have to ask that question to drive
1:35:34
Speaker 2: your point home, I don't want to have that be
1:35:37
Speaker 2: a possibility. I want the true story to be well, No,
1:35:40
Speaker 2: Utah is just better, and that's why they beat him
1:35:43
Speaker 2: that way, and that's why they forced him to look
1:35:45
Speaker 2: bad in that game. But then someone brings in, like, well,
1:35:49
Speaker 2: now that we know that this guy's deeply involved in gambling,
1:35:51
Speaker 2: and to be fair to him, we don't have any
1:35:53
Speaker 2: evidence that he was gambling against his own team, or
1:35:56
Speaker 2: that he was gambling on his own performances, et cetera,
1:35:59
Speaker 2: et cetera. We do, however, have evidence that he was
1:36:03
Speaker 2: funneling money to other people to place wagers for him.
1:36:06
Speaker 2: So there's the possibility there. But that's the point that
1:36:09
Speaker 2: you're making that we don't want to have to ask
1:36:11
Speaker 2: that question because it compromises your experience as a fan.
1:36:17
Speaker 5: And it covers the legitimacy of the game in hand. Look,
1:36:21
Speaker 5: I say this often, I use example often. It feels
1:36:25
Speaker 5: like kind of I don't know what the right worry
1:36:27
Speaker 5: is to like explain this, But like the NFL cares
1:36:32
Speaker 5: about the integrity of the shield, right, they talk all
1:36:34
Speaker 5: the time, and gambling is such a black mark, a
1:36:43
Speaker 5: red mark we we're going to use like on on
1:36:46
Speaker 5: the league that they just spent one year, Right, you're
1:36:51
Speaker 5: caught gambling on the sports. But Calvin Ridley, right, was
1:36:55
Speaker 5: he was on into a reserve and he put a
1:36:57
Speaker 5: gambling on some team. Right, one year, you hit your wife,
1:37:01
Speaker 5: you get six games, right, like, Because they don't view
1:37:05
Speaker 5: that right, Sean has an integrity problem for the entire league.
1:37:10
Speaker 5: That might be integery problem for me and you like
1:37:13
Speaker 5: I I you know, there was a story about a
1:37:15
Speaker 5: RAMS player yesterday. I'm like, what what what are we doing?
1:37:18
Speaker 5: Man like while we touching women?
1:37:20
Speaker 7: Like?
1:37:21
Speaker 5: And but they spent a year for gambling because the
1:37:24
Speaker 5: integrity the game is tied up in that where unfortunately
1:37:28
Speaker 5: it doesn't feel like, you know, players continue to play
1:37:30
Speaker 5: obviously after after those internets happened, Like, that's how important
1:37:33
Speaker 5: integrity game that the NFL feels about it in college
1:37:36
Speaker 5: football and it's not college football for SAE. It is
1:37:39
Speaker 5: one judge at the moment. It's sort of deciding that
1:37:42
Speaker 5: integrity game might not matter as much and just well,
1:37:48
Speaker 5: we're this league. I don't know.
1:37:49
Speaker 2: I that's of so many problems I have with this
1:37:53
Speaker 2: whole situation, because what we have seen in the last
1:37:56
Speaker 2: several years for college sports is it's it's getting closer
1:38:00
Speaker 2: and closer to the pro game. It's a lot more
1:38:02
Speaker 2: permissive than the pro game. Right, But players and coaches
1:38:06
Speaker 2: and everyone. They're just like, yeah, we're pushing towards this
1:38:09
Speaker 2: being professional. This is professional. The players and their advocates
1:38:13
Speaker 2: their agents have said, no, you treat them like professionals.
1:38:16
Speaker 2: They are professionals. They're earning money for you like professionals do.
1:38:19
Speaker 2: They should be compensated like professionals. And when professionals are
1:38:24
Speaker 2: caught gambling, When professionals are involved in gambling, the consequences
1:38:29
Speaker 2: are dire. They are punished, like you just said, more
1:38:33
Speaker 2: heavily for that than they are for things that are
1:38:36
Speaker 2: far more morally reprehensible. If we're being honest, right, like true,
1:38:41
Speaker 2: But because of the point that you just made, so
1:38:45
Speaker 2: we have to decide we don't. These athletes and their
1:38:48
Speaker 2: representatives have to decide, Okay, you want these guys to
1:38:51
Speaker 2: be treated like professionals. You want these young women in
1:38:54
Speaker 2: college sports to be treated like professionals. Part of being
1:38:56
Speaker 2: treated like a professional is you better be willing to
1:39:01
Speaker 2: the kind of punishments that the professionals get when they're
1:39:03
Speaker 2: breaking these kinds of rules.
1:39:05
Speaker 1: And we've just like thrown it all out the window.
1:39:07
Speaker 2: This one moron judge is threatening so many different things
1:39:13
Speaker 2: because he fell for the I don't even think he
1:39:15
Speaker 2: fell for it. I just think he's doing somebody a favor.
1:39:17
Speaker 2: But he got duped by the whole mental health argument.
1:39:21
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
1:39:24
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like I feel, you know, it's a very
1:39:25
Speaker 5: sense to the top of the right, the mental health
1:39:27
Speaker 5: part of this right, because I think that obviously, yet
1:39:30
Speaker 5: you know, het an addiction. He was betting on you know,
1:39:32
Speaker 5: balls and strikes the individual pitches in the baseball game.
1:39:35
Speaker 5: Like he's sending money out of state to people have
1:39:38
Speaker 5: gamble for him. There's ways to gamble in a non gamble.
1:39:41
Speaker 5: If I go to Utah, I can still find a
1:39:42
Speaker 5: wager or I don't have you know, like you don't
1:39:44
Speaker 5: have to send money outside the state to make it happen.
1:39:48
Speaker 5: And like so, he definitely had an addiction. He definitely,
1:39:51
Speaker 5: you know, needed to find, you know, a way to
1:39:53
Speaker 5: get over it. I'm I am, I am with that.
1:39:57
Speaker 5: The problem is again, is that now the judge I
1:40:00
Speaker 5: said this argument to your point, you can use it
1:40:02
Speaker 5: on anything, right, you can use on any any excuse.
1:40:05
Speaker 5: Now it feels like, you know, if you go to
1:40:07
Speaker 5: alcohol rehab for thirty days after you get a duy,
1:40:10
Speaker 5: I mean that like you your mental health, Like that's
1:40:12
Speaker 5: the reason why you got the best you know, d u.
1:40:15
Speaker 5: I I don't like the last thing. I want to
1:40:19
Speaker 5: say this and this this. I can't stand that that
1:40:21
Speaker 5: people make this argument. It's so dumb. People say, well,
1:40:25
Speaker 5: college football is brought to you by Draftings are fan duel? Okay?
1:40:29
Speaker 5: So like if you get a duy, do I get
1:40:32
Speaker 5: to say, well you have to sponsored by Coors Life?
1:40:35
Speaker 1: Yeah?
1:40:38
Speaker 5: Like you have self control?
1:40:40
Speaker 8: Like, what are you think?
1:40:40
Speaker 5: There are rules? The rules you can't like gamble on
1:40:43
Speaker 5: your team while you're playing, don't matter if you're if
1:40:44
Speaker 5: you're there's no Draftings boost that says gamble on your
1:40:48
Speaker 5: team that you're playing on. Like the idea that that
1:40:51
Speaker 5: players can't follow the rule of law because Draftings sponsors
1:40:56
Speaker 5: your college football team, to me is just a ludicrous argument.
1:40:59
Speaker 5: It's very unserious.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: Here's another thing, and this is more of a football question.
1:41:04
Speaker 2: Right, So Texas Tech has decided to die on this hill,
1:41:08
Speaker 2: right Texas Tech is like, yeah, man, we have this
1:41:11
Speaker 2: really good backup Will Hammon who's injured in rehabbing, but
1:41:15
Speaker 2: we're not gonna wait for him. We spent this money
1:41:17
Speaker 2: on soresby he's never played it down for Texas Tech,
1:41:21
Speaker 2: and they are like, yeah, we will become public enemy
1:41:23
Speaker 2: number one to defend this kid's ability to play here.
1:41:27
Speaker 2: Texas Tech could very easily walk away from this. They
1:41:30
Speaker 2: could very easily say yeah, we're not going to Is
1:41:33
Speaker 2: this worth it for Texas Tech?
1:41:35
Speaker 1: In your mind?
1:41:35
Speaker 2: Is this whole thing where Brendan Soorsby is going to
1:41:38
Speaker 2: be their starter barring any surprise changes, He's going to
1:41:42
Speaker 2: be their starter in every game. They're gonna get boot
1:41:44
Speaker 2: out of every building. They're gonna get ragged on by
1:41:46
Speaker 2: everybody for every win and even more for every loss.
1:41:49
Speaker 2: Is it worth it from a football perspective to defend
1:41:53
Speaker 2: this one player?
1:41:57
Speaker 5: Well, well, from their perspective their church like it's them
1:42:02
Speaker 5: birth nto double A right, Like they're they are setting
1:42:08
Speaker 5: a precedent to help all student athletes, right, which is
1:42:10
Speaker 5: kind of BS. I think. Look, they're adds jumped pretty
1:42:16
Speaker 5: tipically when the Big Twelve. I think they are the
1:42:19
Speaker 5: rightful favorite to win the Big Twelve. He's a very
1:42:20
Speaker 5: good quarterback. You know, if this was not something that
1:42:23
Speaker 5: was on you know, on his record, he would be
1:42:25
Speaker 5: a first round pickuting after the season. He's a really
1:42:27
Speaker 5: good quarterback. The team is gonna be good again this season.
1:42:30
Speaker 5: They're they're doing a couple of things, Sean, They're more
1:42:32
Speaker 5: they're they're they I think are rightfully honestly have figured
1:42:36
Speaker 5: out that in the end nothing will change. Like I
1:42:41
Speaker 5: love this big bad talk. Oh, the Big ten is
1:42:43
Speaker 5: not going to schedule Technis Tech anymore. I don't believe
1:42:46
Speaker 5: that the Big twelve commissioners are too. The Big twelve
1:42:50
Speaker 5: ads have gone together and they're about nothing's gonna happen, Sean,
1:42:53
Speaker 5: not this year at least, maybe next year, maybe the
1:42:55
Speaker 5: year after that. But I feeling a lot of a
1:42:58
Speaker 5: lot of hot air right now at puffing the chest up.
1:43:02
Speaker 5: I think there's a tecond is rightfully just like you
1:43:04
Speaker 5: got know this is none of the things you threatened
1:43:06
Speaker 5: are gonna happen. So we'll just play towards me. We'll
1:43:10
Speaker 5: trying to win a championship this season and we'll deal
1:43:12
Speaker 5: with the backlash later or but they won't be like
1:43:17
Speaker 5: a we seven are we talking about this? I mean,
1:43:19
Speaker 5: if they're seven to zero and top three, maybe, but
1:43:22
Speaker 5: probably not right. I just think they caaculate this. The
1:43:26
Speaker 5: outrage will be over pretty fast.
1:43:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is one where it might not be,
1:43:31
Speaker 1: but we'll see, Like if I mean it would.
1:43:34
Speaker 5: Be like like like are they guys coasting Texas Tech
1:43:37
Speaker 5: this year?
1:43:37
Speaker 4: No?
1:43:38
Speaker 1: So Utah and b why you both missed Tech on
1:43:41
Speaker 1: the regular season schedule.
1:43:44
Speaker 5: So like it's gonna be the booze are gonna be loud,
1:43:47
Speaker 5: Like it's gonna be hostile every place you go. And
1:43:49
Speaker 5: maybe the effects scheduling, like maybe the the basketball team
1:43:53
Speaker 5: and softball team is really good, like can't find non
1:43:56
Speaker 5: conference opponents. It won't happen in football in my opinion.
1:43:58
Speaker 5: I mean, even then that really helps Texas Tech play
1:44:00
Speaker 5: three really bad non conference opponents. So I don't know, man,
1:44:08
Speaker 5: I think that every school would do this. I think
1:44:10
Speaker 5: every school would. I think Organ, I think Utah if
1:44:12
Speaker 5: the thing spot would defend their quarterback. Honestly, I don't
1:44:14
Speaker 5: think that would change view. Maybe they don't take the
1:44:16
Speaker 5: quarterback right like this is all I think out there
1:44:20
Speaker 5: before they went not out there publicly, but there was
1:44:23
Speaker 5: no one who was under investigation before Texa Tech signed him,
1:44:26
Speaker 5: so maybe our schools wouldn't have done that. I feel
1:44:28
Speaker 5: like if he was on the roster, our schools would
1:44:30
Speaker 5: fight for anyway Texas Tech has.
1:44:34
Speaker 2: You're probably I guess you're probably right. I just I
1:44:37
Speaker 2: don't know definitively, because the consequence for everybody is so
1:44:43
Speaker 2: broad and sweeping. I mean, the precedent here, like we've
1:44:46
Speaker 2: already talked about enough, is just it's a dangerous one
1:44:49
Speaker 2: to set. And I don't want to like be overly dramatic,
1:44:54
Speaker 2: but if you're if your quarterback at Oregon was caught
1:44:58
Speaker 2: dealing drugs, which is against NCAA rules and is against
1:45:05
Speaker 2: actual American law, I don't know that the team is
1:45:08
Speaker 2: going to be like, well, we put him in rehab
1:45:10
Speaker 2: and now we're appealing so that he can play. Like
1:45:15
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of times when it's something
1:45:18
Speaker 2: this drastic, there are teams that are like, you know what, Yeah,
1:45:22
Speaker 2: we have to like we have to let these guys
1:45:25
Speaker 2: suffer their consequences.
1:45:27
Speaker 1: But I don't know. There's also plenty of examples of
1:45:29
Speaker 1: the opposite.
1:45:30
Speaker 2: There's plenty of examples of guys like Baker Mayfield was
1:45:33
Speaker 2: running away from the cops and he's still playing.
1:45:36
Speaker 1: So it's it goes both ways.
1:45:40
Speaker 7: I just I with this.
1:45:41
Speaker 5: I saw this quote from Joey McGuire the Texas Tech
1:45:45
Speaker 5: head coach. He said, brandsways be returning from week for
1:45:49
Speaker 5: Week three against Houston, just spend Remember week one and
1:45:52
Speaker 5: two is a stretch quote. He's recovering from. An addition,
1:45:56
Speaker 5: I've sat down as young man multiple times, and what
1:45:59
Speaker 5: he's going through a he has been through a serious
1:46:02
Speaker 5: He's a methatic.
1:46:04
Speaker 1: Dude, like.
1:46:06
Speaker 5: A gambling edition.
1:46:06
Speaker 2: So this so this is another This is another reason
1:46:09
Speaker 2: why I asked the question is it worth it for Tech?
1:46:12
Speaker 2: Because like Joey Maguire went from being one of the
1:46:15
Speaker 2: most respected coaches in college football because of what he
1:46:18
Speaker 2: was able to put together last year to a guy
1:46:21
Speaker 2: who's now spinning things this way, like we're gonna we're
1:46:25
Speaker 2: probably not gonna be allowed to talk to him at
1:46:28
Speaker 2: Big twelve media days, but I so desperately want to
1:46:31
Speaker 2: have him sit down in front of me and be like,
1:46:32
Speaker 2: do you really think this was about the mental health
1:46:35
Speaker 2: of Brendan s sooresby make that case for me, coach,
1:46:37
Speaker 2: because he's lying if he does, it's not about that
1:46:40
Speaker 2: at all.
1:46:41
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean.
1:46:42
Speaker 2: Is it worth it to have your coach, who's a
1:46:44
Speaker 2: really good football coach sitting there spitting these like weird
1:46:48
Speaker 2: political spin lies and undermining his own respectability.
1:46:53
Speaker 1: It's just not for me, but for them, I guess
1:46:56
Speaker 1: it is.
1:47:04
Speaker 5: But he can't play in a week three because he
1:47:08
Speaker 5: is a gambling addition, me, what did we have for
1:47:10
Speaker 5: thirty days for in March. That's like the argument we're
1:47:12
Speaker 5: making here, Like, oh boy, it's just this is the point.
1:47:16
Speaker 5: Like I'm not saying the judge has to do a
1:47:18
Speaker 5: solid for all of us, but he suspended for the year.
1:47:21
Speaker 5: We're like, yeah, he broke the rules. That's what happens.
1:47:24
Speaker 1: That's right.
1:47:24
Speaker 5: We're just like like, yeah, okay, yeah, they broke the rule.
1:47:28
Speaker 5: I mean, like, look, I don't want to make this
1:47:30
Speaker 5: a broad the country, but like, we just don't respect
1:47:34
Speaker 5: the rule a lot anymore in our country. We just
1:47:35
Speaker 5: don't like it's just fundamentally not part of what we
1:47:38
Speaker 5: believe anymore a lot. It's unfortunate. But there's another example
1:47:43
Speaker 5: of it. Just like he broke a rule. It's a
1:47:46
Speaker 5: rule that's black and white. Everyone knows what the rule is.
1:47:48
Speaker 5: You might not like the rule. The things I don't
1:47:51
Speaker 5: like about rules and sports that don't know all the
1:47:53
Speaker 5: time sports. Ever, I don't like some of the rules
1:47:55
Speaker 5: we have in our country, but like their rules, like
1:47:58
Speaker 5: they are what they are, not like them. But to
1:48:02
Speaker 5: just say, yeah, I broke the role, but what haves
1:48:04
Speaker 5: man like? I wasn't in a good mental headspace and
1:48:06
Speaker 5: and Judge is like, yeah, cool, we're good. I just
1:48:10
Speaker 5: I have to back I have the bad precedent. Lastly,
1:48:14
Speaker 5: my wife just asked me if you're coming to Dallas,
1:48:16
Speaker 5: but are you coming to Dallas you're gonna join me?
1:48:19
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm gonna be in Dallas twice in one week.
1:48:22
Speaker 1: I think.
1:48:24
Speaker 5: Let's go. When I come and then you're coming here,
1:48:26
Speaker 5: I think I'll be there. My bells and whistles off.
1:48:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, what days your what days? Your party again?
1:48:33
Speaker 5: The Sunday, the twelve or thirteenth, Yeah, something like that. Yeah, good, okay, awesome.
1:48:39
Speaker 2: Good, all right.
1:48:40
Speaker 5: She puts you down in the in the in the thing.
1:48:43
Speaker 5: I think my wife is such a joy. She puts
1:48:46
Speaker 5: you down as like a Sean radio guy.
1:48:48
Speaker 8: I'm like, yes, I'm like, can you just like it's
1:48:56
Speaker 8: he's we moved past radio guy.
1:49:01
Speaker 1: It's fine. Fine.
1:49:02
Speaker 5: I can't explain that.
1:49:05
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe maybe when we get to ten years
1:49:08
Speaker 2: of knowing each other, I will have a last name.
1:49:10
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine.
1:49:13
Speaker 5: I think my wife's talking in the internet too, like
1:49:15
Speaker 5: they touch each other. It's just it's just I don't know.
1:49:22
Speaker 5: I don't know how to explain there. But if you
1:49:24
Speaker 5: hear from you again, buddy, we'll go forward to football
1:49:27
Speaker 5: seams starting up again.
1:49:28
Speaker 1: You're the man. Thank you.
1:49:29
Speaker 5: Jeff here, buddy, Buddy.
1:49:32
Speaker 2: That's Jeff Schwartz. I thought that's how he was going
1:49:35
Speaker 2: to feel about the situation. It's just like you have
1:49:38
Speaker 2: to be incredulous. If you've been in the sports world,
1:49:41
Speaker 2: in the college sports world for a long time, you
1:49:43
Speaker 2: have to be incredulous about where we have gotten to
1:49:46
Speaker 2: with this Soursby situation. I want to talk about it
1:49:49
Speaker 2: every day, but I also don't want to talk about
1:49:51
Speaker 2: it anymore because it's just complaining, just being mad.
1:49:55
Speaker 1: We're way over time.
1:49:56
Speaker 2: We got to double up between the pipes with Adrian
1:49:59
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Speaker 1: Hi, Adrian, Hey Seawan crazy be with you man? What
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Speaker 1: a gay last night? Huh? Holy cow?
1:51:00
Speaker 9: Just just another one where a team scores early, has
1:51:04
Speaker 9: a multi goal lead, blows it, it's tied in the
1:51:08
Speaker 9: third period. We look like we're ticketed to overtime. And
1:51:12
Speaker 9: then Jordan Stall gets his fourth goal of the playoffs,
1:51:20
Speaker 9: or I should say his fourth goal of the final,
1:51:23
Speaker 9: fourth goal of the final. And then he gets his
1:51:25
Speaker 9: fifth goal of the final, and Carolina takes it, ties
1:51:30
Speaker 9: it up, and as we said last week, it's hockey fans,
1:51:34
Speaker 9: we're just rooting for a seven game series.
1:51:36
Speaker 1: I think here.
1:51:37
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just been it's been an incredible series.
1:51:40
Speaker 2: It's been an incredible Stanley Cup playoff. The whole way
1:51:43
Speaker 2: through you you just highlighted the insanity of this particular series.
1:51:49
Speaker 2: There's been blown leads in every single game. Vegas apparently
1:51:54
Speaker 2: just loves to play great second period hockey. They're just
1:51:57
Speaker 2: boring on the second period, so you never really know
1:52:01
Speaker 2: what you're gonna get Forrest Gum style. But now this
1:52:06
Speaker 2: series is noted up at two to two, they go
1:52:08
Speaker 2: back to Raleigh, and one of the biggest stories here
1:52:11
Speaker 2: is not the stars on either team. One of the
1:52:14
Speaker 2: biggest stories right now is the fact that Carolina found
1:52:17
Speaker 2: themselves in a bit of a desperation situation in goal
1:52:22
Speaker 2: and Brandon Bussy, making his first playoff start, ends up
1:52:26
Speaker 2: saving eighteen to twenty one shots, gets his team to win,
1:52:30
Speaker 2: and I think makes a strong case that it's probably
1:52:33
Speaker 2: stayed with the hot hand kind of a situation when
1:52:36
Speaker 2: they're back on home ice.
1:52:37
Speaker 1: What'd you think of that story?
1:52:39
Speaker 9: Yeah, Carolina over the last couple of years has been
1:52:42
Speaker 9: kind of a musical chairs team in their goaltending department.
1:52:47
Speaker 9: Of course, Freddy Anderson starts the playoffs off for him
1:52:52
Speaker 9: twelve and one, and then they're down four to nothing
1:52:55
Speaker 9: on Saturday nights. They put Bussy in in the third period.
1:53:00
Speaker 9: His Stanley Cup playoff debut, and then the question was, okay,
1:53:04
Speaker 9: what do they do with Vegas winning and going up
1:53:08
Speaker 9: two games to one, and they go with Bussy And
1:53:12
Speaker 9: not only did Anderson not start, he did not dress
1:53:18
Speaker 9: Pyotror Kachekkov, who's kind of their their prospect goalie. He
1:53:21
Speaker 9: has been for the last couple of years, who as
1:53:25
Speaker 9: a fun personality and he's competitive. I've been waiting for
1:53:28
Speaker 9: him to take over the crease for Carolina for the
1:53:31
Speaker 9: last two three years. Is I mean, Freddie Anderson's getting
1:53:34
Speaker 9: getting a little older, right, And then in October they
1:53:40
Speaker 9: claim this Brandon Bussy off of Waivers, who Florida was
1:53:46
Speaker 9: trying to send to the AHL. He was their third goalie.
1:53:49
Speaker 9: They signed him to be their AHL goalie, but he
1:53:52
Speaker 9: had he had the clear waivers to get back down there.
1:53:54
Speaker 9: Carolina claims him. He goes thirty one, six and two
1:53:59
Speaker 9: with Carolina. He has stretches where he wins fourteen to
1:54:02
Speaker 9: fifteen starts, nine to ten starts, six to seven starts
1:54:06
Speaker 9: during the season, so he's he's got kind of kind
1:54:09
Speaker 9: of hot hand. They signed him to a multi year deal,
1:54:12
Speaker 9: and then as they get closer to the playoffs, Freddie
1:54:14
Speaker 9: Anderson kind of took over and he becomes the goalie.
1:54:17
Speaker 1: So they put Brandon Bussy in. He's a guy that
1:54:22
Speaker 1: three years.
1:54:22
Speaker 9: Ago was playing in the ECCHL and just kind of
1:54:26
Speaker 9: a minor league goalie in the Boston system. Florida signs
1:54:29
Speaker 9: him and.
1:54:31
Speaker 1: Here we are.
1:54:33
Speaker 9: He starts his first playoff game last night, which was
1:54:39
Speaker 9: in the final, first goalie since nineteen sixty seven to
1:54:44
Speaker 9: make his first start in the Stanley Cup Final and
1:54:47
Speaker 9: also win it. And he's, you know, twenty seven, So
1:54:55
Speaker 9: kind of a fun story there, and you look at
1:54:58
Speaker 9: the game. He made some big saves for Carolina. They
1:55:01
Speaker 9: tie up the series, and it seems just kind of
1:55:05
Speaker 9: appropriate for this series, right that all of a sudden
1:55:09
Speaker 9: mid series, Carolina has a goalie takeover and are they
1:55:12
Speaker 9: going to ride him the rest of the way.
1:55:15
Speaker 2: So the last time somebody won in goal, somebody won
1:55:19
Speaker 2: their playoff debut was when they were wearing like the
1:55:25
Speaker 2: Friday the thirteenth Jason style masks in goal in the NHL,
1:55:31
Speaker 2: a totally different era of NHL hockey.
1:55:34
Speaker 1: Was the last time we saw something like this.
1:55:35
Speaker 9: Yeah, in the final, to just come out of nowhere,
1:55:39
Speaker 9: first start in the final in the playoffs, win it.
1:55:42
Speaker 9: Two other guys had done it since nineteen sixty seven,
1:55:44
Speaker 9: make their playoff debut in the Stanley Cup Final, but
1:55:47
Speaker 9: they didn't.
1:55:48
Speaker 1: They didn't win.
1:55:49
Speaker 9: But just a fun story there. It's for Bussy, who
1:55:53
Speaker 9: has had a storybook season as it is. He was
1:55:56
Speaker 9: ticketed to the American Hockey League with Florida sending him
1:56:00
Speaker 9: there as their third goalie, and then and then comes
1:56:04
Speaker 9: out earns a long term deal with Carolina and if
1:56:10
Speaker 9: that wasn't enough, here he is starting and winning his
1:56:14
Speaker 9: first playoff game in the final.
1:56:18
Speaker 2: You've just sent me down a rabbit hole on what
1:56:20
Speaker 2: goaltending was like in nineteen sixty seven. Nobody even painted
1:56:25
Speaker 2: their masks back then. That didn't start until nineteen seventy.
1:56:30
Speaker 2: Everyone was just wearing those white plastic masks, which, by
1:56:34
Speaker 2: the way, compared to the equipment that they have now,
1:56:38
Speaker 2: it's like criminal that this is what these guys were
1:56:41
Speaker 2: protecting their faces with back then, and ten years before
1:56:45
Speaker 2: that they weren't even wearing They weren't even wearing masks. Yeah,
1:56:48
Speaker 2: they were just getting stitches every night. Absolutely insane. All right,
1:56:52
Speaker 2: So now, great story for Bussy. I'm going to assume
1:56:57
Speaker 2: that Brenda more stays with the hot hand and lets
1:56:59
Speaker 2: him start in Game five and we're down to a
1:57:02
Speaker 2: three game.
1:57:03
Speaker 9: Series effectively, How does it play out? Gosh, I don't
1:57:10
Speaker 9: think anybody knows. It's the third highest scoring series in
1:57:17
Speaker 9: Final history, highest scoring since nineteen eighty one. But one
1:57:21
Speaker 9: interesting thing of see, and I don't remember this because
1:57:25
Speaker 9: you know, Florida and Edmonton was a good series. They
1:57:27
Speaker 9: started off with back to back overtime games last year,
1:57:31
Speaker 9: but that was the fifth highest scoring series all time.
1:57:34
Speaker 9: So we've seen thirty three goals in four games. No
1:57:37
Speaker 9: lead is safe. You've got Brett Howden with the twelve
1:57:41
Speaker 9: goals in the regular season, already having set a Vegas
1:57:44
Speaker 9: franchise record with fourteen goals, more goals than Mitch Marner,
1:57:50
Speaker 9: who we've talked about. You've got a guy like Jordan
1:57:54
Speaker 9: Stall that the captain for Carolina, becoming the fourth player
1:57:59
Speaker 9: since nineteen sixty seven to score at least a goal
1:58:02
Speaker 9: in the first four games at the Stanley Cup Final.
1:58:05
Speaker 9: He's back in the Final for the first time since
1:58:07
Speaker 9: two thousand and nine, when he was just a kid
1:58:11
Speaker 9: with the Pittsburgh Penguins winning it with Sidney Crosby and
1:58:14
Speaker 9: of Guinny Malkins. So he's seventeen years between final appearances.
1:58:18
Speaker 9: He's the captain of Carolina and he's the same age
1:58:24
Speaker 9: as Carolina head coach Rod Brindamore when he was the
1:58:28
Speaker 9: captain of Carolina in six when they won their last
1:58:33
Speaker 9: Stanley Cup championship, their only Stanley Cup championship, and Jordan's
1:58:37
Speaker 9: older brother Eric was on that team as kind of
1:58:42
Speaker 9: a young pup for Carolina. So I remember watching that
1:58:46
Speaker 9: series back in six. He had Eric Stall playing for
1:58:51
Speaker 9: Carolina and then he had his three little brothers, Eric
1:58:56
Speaker 9: and his brothers Mar and Jordan and Jared, and we're
1:59:06
Speaker 9: just waiting for him. There were three kids. They were
1:59:08
Speaker 9: showing the family photos and them at the lake up
1:59:10
Speaker 9: in thunder Bay, Ontario, and this big, huge hockey family
1:59:13
Speaker 9: that was going to have three more brothers playing in
1:59:15
Speaker 9: the NHL, which they all did. And now you've got
1:59:18
Speaker 9: Jordan captaining Carolina.
1:59:23
Speaker 1: That that final goal that everyone's freaking out about.
1:59:29
Speaker 2: You've so you've watched so much hockey and we saw
1:59:31
Speaker 2: some just bananas like deflections, some crazy effectively lacrosse goals
1:59:37
Speaker 2: in the NHL this year. Uh, And you know you
1:59:40
Speaker 2: still get on inspiring goals from players that other players
1:59:44
Speaker 2: are like, I don't know how we pulled that one off.
1:59:46
Speaker 9: That was incredible off of a turnover behind the net.
1:59:52
Speaker 9: This has not been a mistake free series. Saturday night,
1:59:58
Speaker 9: when Vegas jumped up for nothing, you could look at
2:00:04
Speaker 9: at least three of those goals and say, oh, Carol Lina,
2:00:08
Speaker 9: what are you doing? And then you get to the
2:00:09
Speaker 9: third period it's like, oh, Vas, what are you doing?
2:00:13
Speaker 9: And it's not been mistake free. It's been fun. Hasn't
2:00:17
Speaker 9: been perfect. There's been some little oop sees like that
2:00:23
Speaker 9: where you have a turnover in a bad spot, but
2:00:27
Speaker 9: oc there's been so many instances like that. We have
2:00:30
Speaker 9: a turnover and a bad spot and a goalie makes
2:00:33
Speaker 9: a huge saving. It's like yes, yes, oh no, And
2:00:36
Speaker 9: then on the second chance a few seconds later, puck
2:00:41
Speaker 9: ends up on a stick like that at Jordan Stall
2:00:44
Speaker 9: and Carter Hart just couldn't quite get over there as
2:00:47
Speaker 9: Staul was able to lift it backhanded, backhand at home.
2:00:52
Speaker 9: So not a perfect series, but a fun series. But
2:00:56
Speaker 9: you know, you get to this. They say hardest trophy
2:00:59
Speaker 9: to in sports, and it's a sounds cliche, but see,
2:01:04
Speaker 9: you see how these guys, you know, they're two months
2:01:09
Speaker 9: after the regular season ends, still playing in a sport
2:01:14
Speaker 9: where the body, you know, has taken a beating. And
2:01:17
Speaker 9: I think we've seen it, especially in this series, with
2:01:20
Speaker 9: the way that these two teams play, like, I can
2:01:24
Speaker 9: see why, you know, guys aren't one hundred percent. Energy
2:01:28
Speaker 9: is not one hundred percent, but but they're they're going
2:01:31
Speaker 9: all out.
2:01:31
Speaker 2: I think that one of the reasons why we hear
2:01:34
Speaker 2: in Utah embraced hockey the way that we have in
2:01:38
Speaker 2: the time that we got hockey right is when a
2:01:41
Speaker 2: lot of the conversation and other pro sports is always
2:01:44
Speaker 2: just about like, oh, you gotta be careful with this guy,
2:01:46
Speaker 2: you got to arrest that guy, you got to load
2:01:48
Speaker 2: manage this guy, and all of those things just they
2:01:52
Speaker 2: just don't belong in hockey.
2:01:54
Speaker 1: They just are not accepted in hockey.
2:01:56
Speaker 2: When you ask a basketball question to a hockey they're
2:02:01
Speaker 2: always very kind and gracious with their answers, but they
2:02:03
Speaker 2: like they can't even imagine that that thought process, just like, yeah,
2:02:10
Speaker 2: I'm hurt, but what we're in the playoffs? What do
2:02:13
Speaker 2: you mean I'm not gonna play like they can't even
2:02:16
Speaker 2: fathom it. And I think that's just something that is
2:02:19
Speaker 2: still unique. It is, I shouldn't say still unique, it
2:02:22
Speaker 2: is now it feels like it is unique to hockey,
2:02:26
Speaker 2: where I think it was a lot more common in
2:02:28
Speaker 2: all pro sports back in the day. And it's like
2:02:31
Speaker 2: hockey's kind of the last game standing, where the pros
2:02:34
Speaker 2: are like, yes, I'm gonna take care of my body.
2:02:37
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the things necessary, but my job is
2:02:40
Speaker 2: to provide for this team. My job is to perform
2:02:42
Speaker 2: for this team, so I'm gonna do that at my
2:02:44
Speaker 2: own expense.
2:02:45
Speaker 9: I've got a lot of casual sports fans in my family,
2:02:49
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't even call them sports fans. But a
2:02:52
Speaker 9: couple nights ago my parents' house, we're getting ready to
2:02:55
Speaker 9: watch Nick Spurs and Knicks are taking the court. My
2:02:58
Speaker 9: mom says, boy, those guys have no idea what it
2:03:02
Speaker 9: would be like to be in the Stanley Cup Final
2:03:05
Speaker 9: right now. And then yesterday I'm at my brother's house
2:03:09
Speaker 9: and my sister in law is talking about Braden McNabb
2:03:13
Speaker 9: and how his face got ripped off by a puck.
2:03:17
Speaker 9: And then my seven year old niece, who plays sports,
2:03:21
Speaker 9: is a sports fan, but I wouldn't call her the
2:03:24
Speaker 9: diehard hockey fan like your ten year old brother. She
2:03:28
Speaker 9: starts diagnosing what happened. And that's a guy who came
2:03:35
Speaker 9: out the next game after being in the hospital for
2:03:40
Speaker 9: most game two, plays almost forty minutes and last night
2:03:46
Speaker 9: almost scored a goal that was taken away at the buzzer.
2:03:49
Speaker 9: But to talk to folks and seeing him, notice like,
2:03:54
Speaker 9: holy cow, that guy had his face ripped off. And
2:03:58
Speaker 9: he's back the next night playing forty minutes and then
2:04:01
Speaker 9: he almost scores another goal that would have been huge
2:04:06
Speaker 9: in in the next game. But gosh, yeah, these these guys,
2:04:13
Speaker 9: these guys go all out.
2:04:16
Speaker 2: Also going on right now in the NHL world, the
2:04:18
Speaker 2: NHL scouting combine happening and the Utah Mammoth are not
2:04:24
Speaker 2: in the same you know, like lottery position, thank goodness,
2:04:27
Speaker 2: because they're a playoff team. But when we talk about
2:04:31
Speaker 2: the evaluation process of the talent that's on the on
2:04:37
Speaker 2: the way up, the talent in the pipeline right now
2:04:40
Speaker 2: for this Utah Mammoth team, we've been discussing that with
2:04:42
Speaker 2: the guys that are in the juniors and maybe expected
2:04:44
Speaker 2: to make a leap sooner than later. These stories coming
2:04:49
Speaker 2: out of this scouting combine and the way that the
2:04:52
Speaker 2: scouting combine is conducted relative to the NBA and the NHL,
2:04:56
Speaker 2: or excuse me, in the NFL. So there's some really
2:04:59
Speaker 2: interesting stuff here, some funny meat on the bone with
2:05:02
Speaker 2: like some of the interview questions and things like that.
2:05:05
Speaker 2: How much attention have you paid recently to this NHL
2:05:08
Speaker 2: scout and combine?
2:05:09
Speaker 9: Mike Fulton, I were talking about it on yesterday's episode
2:05:12
Speaker 9: to Mammoth Daily. Yeah, it's it's great to get the
2:05:14
Speaker 9: weights and the measures and shoes the fastest of this
2:05:18
Speaker 9: and blah blah blah. But let's talk about the questions
2:05:22
Speaker 9: getting asked, the interview questions and and Utah made headlines
2:05:27
Speaker 9: a couple of years ago in twenty twenty four when
2:05:30
Speaker 9: it was reported by Bleacher Report that Utah was there asking,
2:05:34
Speaker 9: you know, potential draftees, what you're uberrating by the way,
2:05:39
Speaker 9: and and and for me, that's a great question. I
2:05:43
Speaker 9: think you I think you can take that, take that
2:05:45
Speaker 9: in a lot of different directions and and you know,
2:05:52
Speaker 9: be able to get some some some character thoughts on
2:05:56
Speaker 9: a player. But you get teams like Montreal asking this
2:06:00
Speaker 9: is great. So you order a sandwich with cheese, on
2:06:04
Speaker 9: it and it comes without cheese.
2:06:07
Speaker 1: What do you do?
2:06:09
Speaker 5: Like?
2:06:09
Speaker 1: What's the right answer? I think?
2:06:13
Speaker 9: Montreal also asked would you rather play four years and
2:06:19
Speaker 9: win a Stanley Cup or play ten years and not
2:06:22
Speaker 9: win a Stanley Cup? So really forcing guys to think.
2:06:27
Speaker 9: The Rangers gave the guys a piece of paper with
2:06:31
Speaker 9: numbered one through one hundred, but not in that order,
2:06:34
Speaker 9: and wanted them to check off in order numbers one
2:06:38
Speaker 9: through one hundred. Sow, yeah the combine, did you? I'm
2:06:41
Speaker 9: sure it's good for the scouts. But let's talk about
2:06:44
Speaker 9: the questions and the activities.
2:06:45
Speaker 2: The viral question from the Canadians this year was if
2:06:50
Speaker 2: you're in if you're a day's if you're stranded in
2:06:52
Speaker 2: the Sahara Desert man a day's walk from water, one
2:06:57
Speaker 2: person has a bottle of water and one person has
2:07:00
Speaker 2: a baseball bat.
2:07:02
Speaker 1: Would you would you kill the other person to take
2:07:06
Speaker 1: the water.
2:07:08
Speaker 2: And Tobias Treyball, who's a goalie for the Youngstown Phantoms,
2:07:14
Speaker 2: so on his way up through the ushl he apparently
2:07:18
Speaker 2: answered the question this way. One of the interviewers said,
2:07:22
Speaker 2: I have a wife at home, I have kids at home.
2:07:24
Speaker 2: Are you gonna kill me to get this water, and
2:07:27
Speaker 2: this goalie said, yeah, your family's at home. Your family
2:07:31
Speaker 2: is safe. I have my whole life in front of
2:07:33
Speaker 2: me and I want to play in the NHL. So
2:07:34
Speaker 2: I am gonna kill you. He's say, I'm not gonna
2:07:36
Speaker 2: kill your family, but I will kill you because you're
2:07:39
Speaker 2: in my way. That's crazy, So so probably what they
2:07:43
Speaker 2: want to hear. So you kill the guy, you get
2:07:46
Speaker 2: his water. How long is that gonna last you?
2:07:48
Speaker 1: A day? Well, you're a day's walk your day's walk away,
2:07:51
Speaker 1: so you better start walking. Yeah.
2:07:54
Speaker 2: Also, let's be honest, even in the Sahara, you could
2:07:57
Speaker 2: probably go more than a day without water.
2:08:00
Speaker 1: Just start walking. Gotta put you gotta think all right, Yeah,
2:08:04
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure.
2:08:07
Speaker 9: If as an adult, if I would have got drafted
2:08:10
Speaker 9: after these combine questions, because I'm not sure I would
2:08:14
Speaker 9: have given them a real like the cheese thing. Yeah,
2:08:18
Speaker 9: you you send it back because he as a business owner,
2:08:24
Speaker 9: as a manager, you want the customer happy. They want
2:08:26
Speaker 9: you to be happy, don't don't don't worry about sending
2:08:29
Speaker 9: sending something back.
2:08:30
Speaker 1: They want you to be happy versus leaving and.
2:08:33
Speaker 9: Then telling all your friends, what a what a bad
2:08:35
Speaker 9: experience you had as an eighteen year old, OHC would
2:08:37
Speaker 9: have folded my tent like the fish that I was,
2:08:41
Speaker 9: and uh answered everything as polite as possible and probably
2:08:45
Speaker 9: given the wrong answer that they wanted to hear everything.
2:08:49
Speaker 1: Okay?
2:08:51
Speaker 2: Would you tell the truth if a team asked you
2:08:56
Speaker 2: who are you a fan of? Who's your favorite team?
2:08:58
Speaker 2: Who do you want to like?
2:08:59
Speaker 1: Would you tell the true if you're like, I'm a
2:09:02
Speaker 1: Niners fan. I've been a Niners fan my whole life.
2:09:04
Speaker 2: If I'm at a draft interview and they're like, you know,
2:09:07
Speaker 2: the Dallas Cowboys are asking me, who's your favorite NFL team?
2:09:11
Speaker 2: Am I gonna say the San Francisco forty nine Ers?
2:09:14
Speaker 2: Am I gonna tell the Seattle Seahawks that my favorite
2:09:17
Speaker 2: NFL team is the San Francisco forty nine ers. What
2:09:20
Speaker 2: would you do if you were asked by in this case,
2:09:23
Speaker 2: it was the New York Islanders, Hey, aren't you a
2:09:28
Speaker 2: Rangers fan?
2:09:30
Speaker 1: What do you say? I'd say? As an eighteen year old,
2:09:33
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, I'm an Islanders fan, big fan of
2:09:36
Speaker 1: you guys. Matthew Shaffer is the best.
2:09:41
Speaker 9: As an adult, you know you've been through experiences like
2:09:45
Speaker 9: you can see that I grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah.
2:09:48
Speaker 1: I am a die hard Utah Jazz Utah man.
2:09:53
Speaker 2: Well, apparently a cat from the Monks and Wildcats told
2:09:58
Speaker 2: the Islanders that he grew up a New York Rangers fan. Oh,
2:10:02
Speaker 2: and the Islanders were like, oh really, okay, So do.
2:10:06
Speaker 1: They like that answer? Do they not? I don't know
2:10:08
Speaker 1: what they want to hear. I don't know, it's uh
2:10:11
Speaker 1: the Islanders.
2:10:12
Speaker 2: The Islanders also handed prospects a brick oh yeah, and said,
2:10:19
Speaker 2: give me as many ways as you can think of
2:10:22
Speaker 2: to use this brick in thirty seconds.
2:10:27
Speaker 7: What.
2:10:28
Speaker 2: I don't know how that helps you determine whether or
2:10:30
Speaker 2: not you want to draft the guy, other than just
2:10:33
Speaker 2: seeing how well they think on their feet potentially.
2:10:35
Speaker 9: That that's what I think, Mike, uh oh see. I
2:10:38
Speaker 9: think this is some some borderline bullying on a lot
2:10:42
Speaker 9: of it, outside of the uber rating, which is a
2:10:44
Speaker 9: perfectly fair question and the cheese on the sand, I
2:10:47
Speaker 9: think we got it. Sounds it sounds like bullying previously,
2:10:52
Speaker 9: Like in the NFL they've had to Yeah, teams got
2:10:55
Speaker 9: so out of pocket with their questions that the league
2:10:57
Speaker 9: had to come in and just be like.
2:10:59
Speaker 1: Hey yourmber Dez Bryant. Yeah, oh my word.
2:11:03
Speaker 2: Famously, des Bryant was they were trying to goad him
2:11:06
Speaker 2: into freaking out, basically by making claims about his mother's
2:11:12
Speaker 2: employment in a quite disparaging manner, and the teams the
2:11:18
Speaker 2: NFL finally had a step and just be like, hey,
2:11:20
Speaker 2: you can't. That's too far. You can't do that. Like,
2:11:24
Speaker 2: by good thing des Brian didn't have a brick in
2:11:27
Speaker 2: front of him when they asked him that question, you'd
2:11:29
Speaker 2: find he'd have found a use for it.
2:11:31
Speaker 9: What's your first instinct with a brick if you just
2:11:34
Speaker 9: got a brick? Like, what's your firit?
2:11:36
Speaker 1: Mine is the throat? Correct? If there's a is that wrong?
2:11:43
Speaker 5: Like?
2:11:44
Speaker 2: I think?
2:11:45
Speaker 1: Okay? Build strength? So one kid came up with eight
2:11:47
Speaker 1: different uses for it.
2:11:48
Speaker 2: Mine would be like I could smash that window with it,
2:11:52
Speaker 2: I could smashin I could smash this computer with it.
2:11:55
Speaker 2: I would just be think of like ten different things
2:11:57
Speaker 2: that I could smash a brick with because you can't
2:11:59
Speaker 2: build with the single brick. I guess maybe they probably
2:12:03
Speaker 2: have papers in there you could use as a paper weight, right.
2:12:07
Speaker 5: Was it? Was? It?
2:12:08
Speaker 9: Lisa Salters The other night interviewing Wemby and she wasn't
2:12:13
Speaker 9: in the picture post game.
2:12:16
Speaker 1: She could have used the bridge. That would be the
2:12:19
Speaker 1: other thing.
2:12:19
Speaker 2: It'd be like, well, I would stand on the brick
2:12:21
Speaker 2: and then you guys could measure me and suddenly I'm
2:12:23
Speaker 2: six four.
2:12:25
Speaker 1: There you go, waits and measures, there you go. We
2:12:27
Speaker 1: just did in the first part of the day before lunch.
2:12:30
Speaker 1: That's what they're looking for anyway.
2:12:32
Speaker 2: NHL Scouting Combine, Utah Mammoth not picking up at the
2:12:36
Speaker 2: top this year because they're a playoff team now, which
2:12:39
Speaker 2: is nice.
2:12:39
Speaker 9: Do you remember last year at the combine, all the
2:12:42
Speaker 9: stories were, Oh, Utah just took so and so out
2:12:46
Speaker 9: to dinner.
2:12:47
Speaker 1: Is that a sign?
2:12:49
Speaker 9: And then it came out, Yeah, the Mammoth were taking
2:12:52
Speaker 9: ten to fifteen guys at a time to the dinner.
2:12:55
Speaker 9: It's like, oh, okay, and then Bill Armstrong and drafts
2:12:59
Speaker 9: Kale Denoyer, like, oh, I had Caleb over at my house.
2:13:03
Speaker 1: We had pizza, Like was he was? He just kind
2:13:05
Speaker 1: of the dinner narratives. I miss that, and you're not
2:13:10
Speaker 1: drafting fourth overall.
2:13:11
Speaker 2: If I'm Caleb, I'd be mad that I got pizza
2:13:13
Speaker 2: at the house instead of like, you know, a four
2:13:16
Speaker 2: course meal at would you?
2:13:18
Speaker 1: Because I think I would.
2:13:20
Speaker 9: You know, you go to somebody's house, You're like, I
2:13:22
Speaker 9: wonder what they're having, and you show up, it's like, oh, pizza,
2:13:25
Speaker 9: Thank goodness.
2:13:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I would have been. Man, you show up.
2:13:30
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like, h yeah, fancy, fancy. I don't know what.
2:13:36
Speaker 2: I want that pizza, I want that. I like the
2:13:38
Speaker 2: fancy dinner you're you're going for the port. If I
2:13:41
Speaker 2: ever became a free agent, like a meaningful free agent
2:13:44
Speaker 2: in athletics, I would cost the teams that were trying
2:13:48
Speaker 2: to to get my services. I would cost them absurd
2:13:50
Speaker 2: amounts of money. I would make it known through my agent,
2:13:53
Speaker 2: because then you're less of a diva if your agent's
2:13:55
Speaker 2: do won't telling you be like, hey, he wants a
2:13:57
Speaker 2: brand new Para Nikes for every is it that he's got.
2:14:01
Speaker 2: He wants to go out to the nicest restaurant in
2:14:03
Speaker 2: the city for breakfast, for lunch, and for dinner. He
2:14:06
Speaker 2: wants the private jets sent out there. I would be obnoxious.
2:14:09
Speaker 2: These kids probably aren't quite in that position yet, but
2:14:12
Speaker 2: that'd be the worst I'd be.
2:14:14
Speaker 1: I'd be happier if we just doord asked, five guys, Okay,
2:14:16
Speaker 1: get out of here.
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Speaker 2: we have a we have a statement from Kirby Hocut,
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Speaker 2: the Texas Tech Athletic Director. A lot of statements, not
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Speaker 2: a lot of things being said. We'll get to it next.
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Speaker 2: Look, there's something good in the sports world about us
2:15:16
Speaker 2: against the world, us versus everybody. There's value to that
2:15:22
Speaker 2: in sports, in professional sports, in college sports, in high
2:15:25
Speaker 2: school sports, in little league sports. People will try to cultivate,
2:15:30
Speaker 2: They'll make an artificial problem so that they can sell
2:15:33
Speaker 2: that to their team, they can sell that to their
2:15:36
Speaker 2: fan base.
2:15:37
Speaker 1: Right, what do good teams do in college football? Every year?
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Speaker 1: What are the favorites?
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Speaker 5: Do?
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Speaker 2: They search and they cram and they find bulletin board
2:15:45
Speaker 2: material wherever they can. You guys are being disrespected, you're
2:15:50
Speaker 2: being underappreciated, you're being overlooked, and the rest of the
2:15:53
Speaker 2: world is like, what are you talking about. No, they're
2:15:55
Speaker 2: not their favorites in every game, so you just make
2:15:59
Speaker 2: it up.
2:15:59
Speaker 1: Sometimes.
2:16:00
Speaker 2: Well again, Texas Tech, Lubbock, I don't have a great
2:16:04
Speaker 2: context on love with Texas. They're creating very much and
2:16:08
Speaker 2: against us, against the world scenario with this whole Brendan
2:16:11
Speaker 2: Sooresby situation, and Kirby Hocutt, the director of Texas Tech's
2:16:19
Speaker 2: athletic department, put at a really long statement a page effectively,
2:16:30
Speaker 2: I don't want to read the whole thing, but the
2:16:34
Speaker 2: justification gymnastics are just impressive from Texas Tech. And this
2:16:41
Speaker 2: is one of those situations where these guys are going
2:16:44
Speaker 2: to lie about it until they actually believe it. And
2:16:47
Speaker 2: maybe they've already lied about it enough that they actually
2:16:50
Speaker 2: do believe it. But something that we can never fall for, Okay,
2:16:55
Speaker 2: And I thought it was interesting when we had Jeff
2:16:57
Speaker 2: Schwartz on where he brought up the point like, look,
2:16:59
Speaker 2: I think Utah would do this for its quarterback, or
2:17:01
Speaker 2: I think that Oregon would do this for its quarterback.
2:17:04
Speaker 2: I actually am not really convinced that that's the case.
2:17:11
Speaker 2: If it were like a, oh, this guy filled out
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Speaker 2: an NCAA bracket and put one hundred bucks on it,
2:17:22
Speaker 2: obviously that's kids being kids. I think that in a
2:17:24
Speaker 2: situation like that, you're probably defending this. And again, Utah
2:17:31
Speaker 2: has guys with DUIs. They have defended guys with sexual
2:17:37
Speaker 2: assault allegations. They have defended guys, and they've let that
2:17:41
Speaker 2: process play out. So I'm not pretending that Utah or
2:17:44
Speaker 2: Oregon or BYU or anyone else is above these processes,
2:17:48
Speaker 2: is above reproach. When it comes to this stuff, there's
2:17:50
Speaker 2: always there's always like, oh, how talented are your Your
2:17:55
Speaker 2: talent is direct proportion to the tolerance that a team
2:17:59
Speaker 2: has for your mistakes. But I have a hard time
2:18:05
Speaker 2: thinking that if ninety thousand dollars and whatever it was,
2:18:09
Speaker 2: thirty eight hundred bets were placed by Devin dan Pierre,
2:18:13
Speaker 2: that Utah would die on that hill, that Utah would
2:18:16
Speaker 2: just be like.
2:18:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna fight this out.
2:18:18
Speaker 5: Man.
2:18:19
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything wrong, he went to rehab. He's
2:18:21
Speaker 2: it's it's all about his meant Would they support him, yes?
2:18:25
Speaker 2: Would they say serve your time and come back and
2:18:27
Speaker 2: play for us. Yes, we've seen that from the local universities.
2:18:32
Speaker 2: We've seen that from the University of Utah. We saw
2:18:36
Speaker 2: like Utah did that with an Oregon transfer. B Why
2:18:40
Speaker 2: you did that with Kyle van Ney. Right, these guys
2:18:44
Speaker 2: get into a little bit of trouble and they're told,
2:18:46
Speaker 2: all right, go serve your time, go do what you
2:18:48
Speaker 2: have to do, your community service or whatever. You're gonna
2:18:52
Speaker 2: earn your way back into our circle of trust, and
2:18:54
Speaker 2: then we're gonna let you play.
2:18:55
Speaker 1: That's the appropriate way to go about this. Brendan so Be.
2:19:00
Speaker 2: Spending thirty days in a country club rehab facility for
2:19:06
Speaker 2: something like gambling is not that.
2:19:10
Speaker 1: It just isn't. Kirby Hallcutt statements. Here's part of it.
2:19:15
Speaker 1: Watch the reaction of Monday's court ruling.
2:19:17
Speaker 2: With great respect for my colleagues across college athletics spending
2:19:20
Speaker 2: them or people I admire, but I also owe to
2:19:22
Speaker 2: Texas Tech and frankly to the truth to offer the
2:19:24
Speaker 2: few facts that seem to be getting lost in the noise.
2:19:28
Speaker 2: Brandon Soarsby has not played a single down of football
2:19:30
Speaker 2: as a Red Raider. He will miss the first two
2:19:32
Speaker 2: games of the twenty twenty six seasons under the court's ruling.
2:19:35
Speaker 2: What happens after that will depend in no small part
2:19:37
Speaker 2: on his how his recovery continues to progress. We're taking
2:19:42
Speaker 2: one day a time, one day at a time, as
2:19:44
Speaker 2: he is deeply committed to his progress in well being.
2:19:46
Speaker 1: We're not operating on blind faith.
2:19:48
Speaker 2: We're operating on comprehensive clinical and compliance structure that we
2:19:52
Speaker 2: committed to before the court ruled in Brendan's lawsuit against
2:19:55
Speaker 2: the NCAA, and that Brandan committed to is a condition
2:19:57
Speaker 2: of his return to our football program. Texas Tech is
2:20:03
Speaker 2: not party to Brendan's lawsuit. We did not file it,
2:20:06
Speaker 2: we did not fund it. A young man in treatment
2:20:08
Speaker 2: for a clinically diagnosed addiction exercise his legal right to
2:20:11
Speaker 2: seek remedy in court, and a judge agreed with him.
2:20:14
Speaker 2: Our role has been to support his recovery, not to
2:20:17
Speaker 2: engineer his eligibility stop it. While I do not dispute
2:20:24
Speaker 2: that the technical truth of this like, of course, Texas
2:20:28
Speaker 2: Tech is not the ones who had to go through
2:20:31
Speaker 2: these machinations. Where does Brendan Soresby's money come from? Where
2:20:37
Speaker 2: does his ability to pay for it?
2:20:39
Speaker 1: Technically not Texas Tech either, Oh see correct.
2:20:44
Speaker 2: That's why the loopholes of this system allow for you
2:20:48
Speaker 2: to type this out if you're an athletic director making
2:20:51
Speaker 2: a couple million a year whatever his salary is, with a.
2:20:55
Speaker 1: Straight face, because technically you're not lying about any of it. Technically.
2:21:00
Speaker 2: But we all know what this is, and we all
2:21:05
Speaker 2: know what it is when it's b why you doing it,
2:21:08
Speaker 2: or when it's Utah doing it, or when it's Michigan
2:21:11
Speaker 2: doing it.
2:21:11
Speaker 1: We all know what it is. Okay that thinly veiled technicalities.
2:21:22
Speaker 2: Involved in a statement like this again, Texas Tech, every
2:21:26
Speaker 2: time you do this, this is what you're doing. Every
2:21:28
Speaker 2: time your coach is just like, well, we might not
2:21:31
Speaker 2: play him. We got to see how his recovery process
2:21:34
Speaker 2: is going. Do we really believe does anybody on the
2:21:37
Speaker 2: planet truly believe that Brendan Soresby is sitting in a
2:21:42
Speaker 2: dark room somewhere somewhere suffering through the horrors of his
2:21:47
Speaker 2: gambling addiction and if he gets over that, then maybe,
2:21:52
Speaker 2: just maybe he can play football again.
2:21:54
Speaker 3: This is I mean, Jeff nailed it on this, because yes,
2:21:58
Speaker 3: there are many addiction when it comes to substance abuse, alcohol,
2:22:02
Speaker 3: certainly where that is a day to day you can't
2:22:09
Speaker 3: function normally without that right, and that is a day
2:22:14
Speaker 3: to day struggle. There are other addictions that, while also bad,
2:22:19
Speaker 3: also vices like gambling where you can absolutely function normally.
2:22:25
Speaker 1: This is not what they're characterizing it to be.
2:22:29
Speaker 2: All due respect for anyone who's gone through gambling addiction,
2:22:33
Speaker 2: who's going through right now and might be listening to this,
2:22:35
Speaker 2: I'm not disparaging that at all.
2:22:37
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's not what they're characterizing.
2:22:39
Speaker 2: I want to be clear that there's arguments against the
2:22:43
Speaker 2: integrity of games that Brendan Soorsby is playing in because
2:22:46
Speaker 2: he's the gambling guy.
2:22:47
Speaker 1: That's not what I'm worried about at all. I want
2:22:49
Speaker 1: to make that clear.
2:22:50
Speaker 2: I don't think Brendan Soarsby is going to be playing
2:22:54
Speaker 2: for Texas Tech this year and throwing games, or that
2:22:59
Speaker 2: betting will be a regular on games. Although you want
2:23:03
Speaker 2: to make a great way you want to if you're
2:23:04
Speaker 2: an outside influence and you want to cause some serious
2:23:08
Speaker 2: problems for Texas Tech, start displaying irregular gambling activity on
2:23:14
Speaker 2: Texas Tech games and watch what happens. That's an aside
2:23:18
Speaker 2: that we don't need to get into. That's vigilante law.
2:23:21
Speaker 2: That's people vigilante justice. I should say that's people taking
2:23:24
Speaker 2: the matter into their own hands. The reason why this
2:23:27
Speaker 2: is problematic and the reason why, Kirby Hocut your statement
2:23:31
Speaker 2: is bs because here's another part of the statement. I
2:23:34
Speaker 2: have two sons, including one who recently graduated from Texas
2:23:37
Speaker 2: Tech and played football. Throughout this process, I've kept asking myself,
2:23:40
Speaker 2: how would I approach the situation if this were my
2:23:42
Speaker 2: own son. Keep that energy and answer this question for me,
2:23:45
Speaker 2: Kirby hoe Cut, If your son willingly deliberately disobeyed rules
2:23:54
Speaker 2: that are clear to every single person who has ever
2:23:57
Speaker 2: been around college sports, if they broke those rules repeatedly, aggressively,
2:24:04
Speaker 2: and in this case, very very publicly, would you want
2:24:08
Speaker 2: that person, your son, to serve a consequence? Would you
2:24:13
Speaker 2: want them to suffer a consequence? Would you want them
2:24:16
Speaker 2: to have to learn the hard lesson to prepare that
2:24:19
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two, nineteen whatever year old for life
2:24:23
Speaker 2: in the future. When you break the rules, or you
2:24:25
Speaker 2: break the law, there are going to be consequences. Would
2:24:29
Speaker 2: you want your son or your daughter to learn from
2:24:33
Speaker 2: this process, regardless of how good they are at what
2:24:36
Speaker 2: they do.
2:24:37
Speaker 1: Would you want them to have to.
2:24:40
Speaker 2: It's just like, if we're gonna approach us from the
2:24:43
Speaker 2: addiction side of things, how many times have we seen
2:24:46
Speaker 2: where a family reaches its breaking point?
2:24:48
Speaker 1: Right, you have to go to rehab. If you want
2:24:52
Speaker 1: us to continue to support you, you gotta do it.
2:24:56
Speaker 1: You got to go to rehab. I need you to
2:24:58
Speaker 1: go to rehab.
2:24:59
Speaker 2: I need you to admit to getting yourself better, or
2:25:01
Speaker 2: I'm cutting you off financially.
2:25:03
Speaker 1: You can't live in my house anymore.
2:25:05
Speaker 2: Whatever, those are consequences, and nobody wants to glamorize or
2:25:09
Speaker 2: glorify or for that matter, diminish if this is a
2:25:13
Speaker 2: real addiction for him. Sure it's an instant addiction. He's
2:25:17
Speaker 2: he's addicted to gambling. Right, Maybe it gripped his life,
2:25:20
Speaker 2: Maybe it took control of me. It sounds like he
2:25:22
Speaker 2: lost about ninety thousand dollars. Ninety thousand dollars for a millionaire,
2:25:26
Speaker 2: a multimillionaire who's getting every meal in his housing paid
2:25:30
Speaker 2: for in college is not that big of a deal, right,
2:25:33
Speaker 2: So it's not like it's exactly crippling Brendan Soresby. Again,
2:25:37
Speaker 2: I don't want to I've got to be sensitive here.
2:25:39
Speaker 2: I don't want to diminish his mental health crisis that's happening.
2:25:42
Speaker 2: But even if your son or daughter there is a
2:25:46
Speaker 2: mental health element to them breaking the rules or breaking
2:25:49
Speaker 2: the law, don't you want there to be a consequence
2:25:52
Speaker 2: so that they have to learn Because when you remove consequences,
2:25:56
Speaker 2: this is something I've got seven four to two, that's
2:26:00
Speaker 2: my children's age. I have already learned this the hard way. Okay,
2:26:05
Speaker 2: As a parent, if I don't follow through on consequences,
2:26:10
Speaker 2: if I tell my kids don't do that, don't do that,
2:26:12
Speaker 2: don't do that, or this is gonna happen, and then
2:26:14
Speaker 2: I don't follow through, guess what. The behavior continues, the
2:26:19
Speaker 2: bad behavior, the harmful behavior, the detrimental behavior, continued. Consequences
2:26:24
Speaker 2: are built in for a reason. You are removing them.
2:26:28
Speaker 2: You're in support of this judge removing them. You, as
2:26:31
Speaker 2: the athletic director of Texas Tech, are making sure there
2:26:34
Speaker 2: are no consequences in front of him because the legal
2:26:38
Speaker 2: system has washed your hands of it, because his ability
2:26:41
Speaker 2: to pay his own attorneys has washed your hands of it.
2:26:43
Speaker 1: Kirby Hocutt, So don't give me this.
2:26:47
Speaker 2: Well, if if well, I think about, what would I
2:26:49
Speaker 2: do if it were my sons, well, if you're a
2:26:51
Speaker 2: good dad, what you would do is you'd tell your sons, man,
2:26:55
Speaker 2: you broke the cardinal sin rule of college football.
2:27:01
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to set out more than two games.
2:27:05
Speaker 1: Maybe you don't want it to be the whole season.
2:27:07
Speaker 2: Fine, hey son, you're gonna have to sit out that
2:27:12
Speaker 2: Abilene Christian game.
2:27:14
Speaker 1: Give me a break.
2:27:16
Speaker 2: Like you are undermining, now with your own words, here
2:27:22
Speaker 2: the legitimacy of your own athletic department by throwing out
2:27:25
Speaker 2: stuff like this. You sound like an idiot. You look
2:27:28
Speaker 2: like an idiot. Your coach looks like an idiot. I
2:27:34
Speaker 2: would respect it a heck of a lot more if
2:27:37
Speaker 2: Texas Tech and Joey maguire just said, hey, you know what,
2:27:44
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the call that I would
2:27:45
Speaker 2: have made, but the legal system says he can play,
2:27:49
Speaker 2: so he can play. Giving me this like, oh yeah,
2:27:53
Speaker 2: we're really concerned about his mental health. We might he
2:27:56
Speaker 2: might not actually be ready to play by week three,
2:27:59
Speaker 2: because this, this recovery process is a lot tougher than
2:28:02
Speaker 2: you guys think.
2:28:03
Speaker 1: Shut up.
2:28:07
Speaker 2: I have two sons, including one that just played college foot.
2:28:10
Speaker 2: I would like to look at this situation, how would
2:28:12
Speaker 2: I handle with my own sons? And I've decided that
2:28:14
Speaker 2: what I would want to do is also have no
2:28:16
Speaker 2: consequences for my kids. Guess guess who? Guess whose kids
2:28:20
Speaker 2: are this way? Deon Sanders kids. Remember how his son
2:28:25
Speaker 2: Shiloh is just like a big pain in the ass
2:28:28
Speaker 2: for everyone who's ever been around him. And instead of
2:28:34
Speaker 2: con real consequences being put in front of him, there's
2:28:38
Speaker 2: just always this like snowplow in front.
2:28:41
Speaker 1: Oh, you've you've buried yourself in debt.
2:28:43
Speaker 2: Just you're gonna declare bankruptcy here, Oh, you've assaulted a
2:28:48
Speaker 2: referee at a high school game. Uh, We're we're gonna
2:28:52
Speaker 2: get go through the legal process to get you out
2:28:54
Speaker 2: of this. Like you're not gonna miss any games because
2:28:56
Speaker 2: of it.
2:28:57
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
2:28:59
Speaker 3: When it's lost in all this is I respect the
2:29:02
Speaker 3: sentiment of being there as a football coach, if you're
2:29:07
Speaker 3: Joey McGuire, as a as a school and a football program,
2:29:10
Speaker 3: if you're the ad Kirby Hocutt, I respect this sentiment
2:29:13
Speaker 3: of like, we're gonna be there for him as a person,
2:29:15
Speaker 3: but you can be there for him while also enforcing
2:29:18
Speaker 3: these consequences right, while also saying like you can say
2:29:24
Speaker 3: you are absolutely welcome to be a student in our university,
2:29:26
Speaker 3: and you you are welcome to be around the football team.
2:29:30
Speaker 3: You are welcome to have this this support system. You
2:29:33
Speaker 3: are not welcome to play on the football team. Like
2:29:35
Speaker 3: that's you can do all that that you can exercise
2:29:38
Speaker 3: that entire and fall through on the entire sentiment that
2:29:41
Speaker 3: Joey McGuire did at a Q and A today at
2:29:43
Speaker 3: a luncheon and what Kirby Hocutt says in this statement
2:29:48
Speaker 3: here while also enforcing that hey, like we can't, we
2:29:52
Speaker 3: can't have you play, but you can do everything else.
2:29:56
Speaker 3: That's how you That's how you ought to in my mind,
2:29:58
Speaker 3: that's how you ought to support someone and who you
2:30:00
Speaker 3: believe is going through a really tough thing, and you
2:30:02
Speaker 3: don't want to completely cut them off, because that you
2:30:04
Speaker 3: shouldn't completely cut people off.
2:30:06
Speaker 2: And I want to make it clear that gambling, for
2:30:09
Speaker 2: me is kind of the lesser of a lot of
2:30:12
Speaker 2: evils that we have tolerated in college football. As I
2:30:15
Speaker 2: expressed yesterday, I think that you should serve consequences when
2:30:21
Speaker 2: you are academically cheating.
2:30:24
Speaker 1: I think you should serve consequences, you should.
2:30:27
Speaker 2: Suffer them when you're accused of, or more importantly, maybe
2:30:33
Speaker 2: not accused of, because the legal system has to play
2:30:36
Speaker 2: itself out. But when you are involved with domestic violence,
2:30:40
Speaker 2: violence against women, sexual assault, that kind of thing, that
2:30:44
Speaker 2: the consequences should be far more severe than they ever are. Right,
2:30:48
Speaker 2: And this is an extension of that permissive culture that
2:30:52
Speaker 2: we have around great athletes, and college football is this
2:30:57
Speaker 2: ultimate money maker now, so it's not just great athletes,
2:30:59
Speaker 2: it's it's money makers in any situation. Brendan Soresby is
2:31:03
Speaker 2: a cash cow right now for Texas Tech because even
2:31:06
Speaker 2: though they're paying him handsomely, that stadium is going to
2:31:10
Speaker 2: be full every week because people think that they are
2:31:13
Speaker 2: going to win. And if they make it to a
2:31:15
Speaker 2: conference championship game and they make it to a college
2:31:17
Speaker 2: football playoff game, that that's return on investment tenfold. But
2:31:25
Speaker 2: you are undermining your athletic department, Texas Tech, by even
2:31:28
Speaker 2: just don't make the statement, you just don't give me
2:31:33
Speaker 2: the like this is about mental health and this is
2:31:35
Speaker 2: about the recovery of a member of our community.
2:31:38
Speaker 1: No it isn't.
2:31:39
Speaker 2: You're lying, And if you're saying that stuff to yourself
2:31:43
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2:33:37
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Speaker 2: be the ones to like punish Brendan Soorsby because legally
2:33:52
Speaker 2: they don't have to. And uh, their athletic director put
2:33:56
Speaker 2: out a statement, their coaches talking, their big name booster
2:33:59
Speaker 2: Code Campbell is defending this all the way to the mats.
2:34:03
Speaker 2: So it is what it is, and Brendan Sourzby's gonna
2:34:06
Speaker 2: play this fault.
2:34:08
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you guys did a really good job.
2:34:10
Speaker 10: I was listening on my way in to kind of
2:34:13
Speaker 10: unpack all the angles here, because look, it's such a
2:34:17
Speaker 10: weird job for us when things like this happen, because
2:34:21
Speaker 10: you kind of have to learn about things you're not
2:34:24
Speaker 10: how that familiar with to speak about it responsibly. And
2:34:27
Speaker 10: addiction is a really interesting topic with a lot of
2:34:31
Speaker 10: different layers and a lot of different potential addictions that
2:34:36
Speaker 10: adversely affect your life. I mean there's the obvious ones
2:34:39
Speaker 10: that are drugs and alcohol, because they've been around forever
2:34:43
Speaker 10: and there have been adverse you know, situations that affect
2:34:46
Speaker 10: people for decades and decades and decades and decades, and
2:34:49
Speaker 10: then in the modern age you bring in things like
2:34:54
Speaker 10: your phone and social media, and we know a lot
2:34:57
Speaker 10: about food addiction. I mean, ultimately, whatever that thing is
2:35:00
Speaker 10: for you, the bottom line is you're trying to escape something.
2:35:04
Speaker 1: That's what it is, you know.
2:35:06
Speaker 10: And when it comes to addiction and mental health, my
2:35:10
Speaker 10: understanding is it's your mind telling you that your body
2:35:14
Speaker 10: needs something that it's poisoned like your body, your mind
2:35:18
Speaker 10: selling you your body actually needs something and your body
2:35:20
Speaker 10: is allergic to what your mind is telling you.
2:35:22
Speaker 1: To take. That's the insanity piece.
2:35:25
Speaker 10: Okay, you think you need alcohol, in reality it's poison.
2:35:29
Speaker 10: You think you need drugs, In reality you are drugging yourself,
2:35:33
Speaker 10: poisoning yourself.
2:35:34
Speaker 1: So where on the scale of this does gambling fit in?
2:35:38
Speaker 10: And so over the past forty eight hours, I've been
2:35:40
Speaker 10: texting with an addiction specialist who I've known for a
2:35:43
Speaker 10: long long time, just to try to understand more about
2:35:47
Speaker 10: what the medical community believes about gambling and how it
2:35:51
Speaker 10: fits on the scope of drugs and alcohol. And the
2:35:54
Speaker 10: fact of the matter is, with our ability now to
2:35:58
Speaker 10: measure brain waves and actually identify what dopamine hits are
2:36:03
Speaker 10: and how you get them, we know how your brain
2:36:06
Speaker 10: reacts when you win a bet, and it is similar
2:36:10
Speaker 10: to what it's like when you put a needle in
2:36:11
Speaker 10: your arm. Is that a tough thing for people to accept.
2:36:16
Speaker 10: I don't know, Because the drugs and alcohol portion of
2:36:19
Speaker 10: addiction is something that we're all very aware of because
2:36:23
Speaker 10: it's been part of society. There are chances that if
2:36:25
Speaker 10: you're listening to the show, you may have been affected
2:36:28
Speaker 10: by it, or a friend or family member of yours
2:36:31
Speaker 10: has been.
2:36:31
Speaker 1: Affected by it. But it's more it's more apparent.
2:36:37
Speaker 10: Like, you don't have to say a name, Sean, but
2:36:39
Speaker 10: have you ever had a friend or a family member
2:36:42
Speaker 10: that has gotten loose with drugs or alcohol?
2:36:44
Speaker 1: Yes, My guess is you could sense it.
2:36:47
Speaker 10: You could see it, whether it was on his face,
2:36:49
Speaker 10: whether it was as a result of a relationship that
2:36:51
Speaker 10: was fraid right, I mean, yeah.
2:36:53
Speaker 2: There's always there's always something that kind of tips people.
2:36:57
Speaker 1: Off, right, right.
2:36:59
Speaker 10: You know, you see a friend you haven't seen for
2:37:01
Speaker 10: a few months and you're like, dude, are you good?
2:37:03
Speaker 10: You know, shows up and it's not himself and whatever
2:37:05
Speaker 10: that is. Chances are we've all had that experience where
2:37:09
Speaker 10: a friend or a family member is getting loose, we
2:37:11
Speaker 10: get a call like somebody's got to get a hold
2:37:13
Speaker 10: of him, grab him by the call and be like,
2:37:15
Speaker 10: we need you to get better. You were talking about
2:37:17
Speaker 10: this earlier. When it comes to gambling, you don't see
2:37:22
Speaker 10: it unless it's something as obvious as like you're going
2:37:26
Speaker 10: to lose your house, or you're going to lose your marriage,
2:37:28
Speaker 10: or you can't afford to live. And the fact of
2:37:31
Speaker 10: the matter is that data we have about three to
2:37:33
Speaker 10: five percent of people to gamble consistently end up in
2:37:36
Speaker 10: a place where they're facing financial ruin. That's a very
2:37:39
Speaker 10: small portion of the people that place bets because now
2:37:43
Speaker 10: that it's legal everywhere. I don't know about you, but
2:37:46
Speaker 10: I don't know how many of my friends bet on sports,
2:37:48
Speaker 10: but I feel like a lot of them do we
2:37:49
Speaker 10: text about it. I say all the time, stay away
2:37:52
Speaker 10: from it because it's such a slippery slope. But it's
2:37:54
Speaker 10: easy to say that. It's another thing to be able
2:37:56
Speaker 10: to pull up a prediction market on your phone and
2:37:58
Speaker 10: be like, I got twenty bucks on the Knicks to yeah,
2:38:00
Speaker 10: but if you have twenty bucks on the next tonight,
2:38:02
Speaker 10: you don't win it. You're gonna be able to eat
2:38:03
Speaker 10: the next day. It's when you allow it to get
2:38:06
Speaker 10: to the point where you get paid and you go
2:38:10
Speaker 10: straight to your phone and transfer all the money from
2:38:13
Speaker 10: your paycheck to your sportsbook account and then try to
2:38:16
Speaker 10: double down to try to chase your losses, and next
2:38:19
Speaker 10: thing you know, you're placing ten grand on whether or
2:38:21
Speaker 10: not Landry shamit's gonna hit a three in the third quarter,
2:38:24
Speaker 10: which then you're in.
2:38:26
Speaker 2: Trouble, which, by the way, the prediction markets they're starting
2:38:29
Speaker 2: to regulate and disallow, sounds like they're gonna start disallowing
2:38:34
Speaker 2: some of those prop type things. Yeah, because that does
2:38:36
Speaker 2: feed exactly what you're talking about. What's good to bring
2:38:40
Speaker 2: it back to the Texas tech context. What's good about
2:38:43
Speaker 2: this story, and there's not a lot of good things
2:38:45
Speaker 2: about this story, is even though there were thousands of
2:38:48
Speaker 2: bets placed by Brandon Soresby, and I'm sure that qualifies
2:38:52
Speaker 2: as an addictive pattern of behavior and things like that,
2:38:56
Speaker 2: sounds like he was gambling. He gambled about ninety thousand dollars.
2:39:01
Speaker 2: He's a millionaire. Now, ninety thousand dollars is a lot
2:39:04
Speaker 2: of money, but if you're a millionaire a couple times over,
2:39:09
Speaker 2: it's probably pretty manageable. When your housing is paid for,
2:39:12
Speaker 2: when your school is paid for, when most of your
2:39:13
Speaker 2: food is paid for. So it's not like he was
2:39:15
Speaker 2: crippling himself financially as far as we know on these apps. Now,
2:39:20
Speaker 2: if he was gambling that much on the apps, who
2:39:22
Speaker 2: knows if he also had a bookie that there's more
2:39:24
Speaker 2: action coming. There's no dispute at least on this show
2:39:28
Speaker 2: that Brendan Soresby probably did indeed need treatment for a
2:39:32
Speaker 2: gambling addiction, and probably still needs that to be ongoing.
2:39:35
Speaker 1: That's, quite frankly, none of my business.
2:39:39
Speaker 2: When you meet someone or you know someone who maybe
2:39:44
Speaker 2: their addiction comes to light because their drug use becomes
2:39:48
Speaker 2: criminally problematic or their alcohol becomes criminally problematic, right where
2:39:53
Speaker 2: then they're arrested or something like that. The argument, the
2:39:58
Speaker 2: assertion never, oh, well, as long as we get them treatment,
2:40:02
Speaker 2: the other consequences don't matter.
2:40:04
Speaker 5: Here.
2:40:05
Speaker 2: That's where this is unique for Texas Tech. And that's
2:40:08
Speaker 2: where this is unique for Brendon Soorsby. And that's where,
2:40:10
Speaker 2: quite frankly, it's stupid because while you can debate whether
2:40:14
Speaker 2: or not his gambling was criminal, which according to the
2:40:18
Speaker 2: letter of a lot of gambling laws, it was, if
2:40:21
Speaker 2: he has material information that is not public knowledge and
2:40:25
Speaker 2: he is using that to help him gamble, that is prosecutable.
2:40:29
Speaker 1: I don't want the kid to go to jail.
2:40:31
Speaker 2: I just want him to have to follow the rules
2:40:33
Speaker 2: that everyone else since the beginning of time in college
2:40:35
Speaker 2: sports have had to follow. And by the way, pro
2:40:38
Speaker 2: athletes have had to follow. And pro athletes when they're
2:40:41
Speaker 2: found running a foul love what happens to them spence
2:40:45
Speaker 2: season long suspension, lifetime suspension ban from the Hall of Fame.
2:40:51
Speaker 2: I mean, we take it seriously in professional sports. We're
2:40:55
Speaker 2: not gonna take it seriously in college sports. We're not
2:40:57
Speaker 2: gonna make this kid like gets get better. Brendan Soresby,
2:41:01
Speaker 2: I want what's best for you in your life. I
2:41:03
Speaker 2: also want you to pay the consequences for your illegal
2:41:07
Speaker 2: actions under the rules of the agreements that you made.
2:41:11
Speaker 2: Those two things are not mutually exclusive, and this judge
2:41:15
Speaker 2: decided that they were, and that is disingenuous. It's not
2:41:18
Speaker 2: an attempt to get this kid better. It's an attempt
2:41:22
Speaker 2: to let him play football.
2:41:23
Speaker 10: Yeah, well said, I mean, Pete Rose literally had to
2:41:26
Speaker 10: die to be forgiven by Major League Baseball, Yes right, Yeah,
2:41:29
Speaker 10: they didn't even consider any positive option until he was
2:41:33
Speaker 10: literally not breathing anymore.
2:41:36
Speaker 2: And guess what Pete Rose under the modern day mm,
2:41:40
Speaker 2: the modern day whatever.
2:41:41
Speaker 1: He probably was a gambling addict. Oh for sure, he
2:41:45
Speaker 1: was a degenerate gambler.
2:41:46
Speaker 10: I mean, in the book about him, he used to
2:41:49
Speaker 10: love spring training because after practice he was in proximity
2:41:52
Speaker 10: from the dog track and the horse track. He would
2:41:54
Speaker 10: lead practice and go place a bunch of bets. And
2:41:57
Speaker 10: Rick Riley wrote a story once on Pete Rose where
2:42:00
Speaker 10: he went to visit him at his house, and he
2:42:02
Speaker 10: walked in and Pete Rose was married to a very lovely,
2:42:05
Speaker 10: beautiful woman. She went over to try to give Pete
2:42:08
Speaker 10: a hug, and he pushed her away to go check
2:42:10
Speaker 10: hockey scores. And Rick's like, he must really love hockey,
2:42:13
Speaker 10: because nobody knew just how deep the whole thing went.
2:42:16
Speaker 10: But let me offer this again. It's such an interesting, layered,
2:42:20
Speaker 10: nuanced conversation. And I certainly am not a psychologist or
2:42:23
Speaker 10: a doctor, but this is from an addiction specialist.
2:42:26
Speaker 1: It's all about because I asked him.
2:42:28
Speaker 10: I said, look, how does gambling addiction treatment compared to
2:42:30
Speaker 10: that of drugs and alcohol, and how does it compare
2:42:32
Speaker 10: in the scope of trying to function day to day?
2:42:35
Speaker 1: And he says, it's similar to treat it.
2:42:38
Speaker 10: You identify key triggers he believes that lead them to
2:42:41
Speaker 10: the action of gambling, going deeper, trying to understand their
2:42:45
Speaker 10: childhood in securities, childhood trauma, connects with the world, and
2:42:49
Speaker 10: then bottom line, the definition of any addiction is this
2:42:52
Speaker 10: when people have the behaviors that are hurting their lives
2:42:55
Speaker 10: and having negative consequences, but either they keep doing it
2:42:59
Speaker 10: or they can't stop. And that's the real definition of
2:43:03
Speaker 10: that's the real definition of addiction, and that fits for
2:43:06
Speaker 10: gambling or substances or sex, etc.
2:43:10
Speaker 1: So So look, it's wait, will you rewind, like go
2:43:14
Speaker 1: back to that they keep doing it. This is the
2:43:17
Speaker 1: bottom line.
2:43:17
Speaker 10: Yeah, the bottom line definition of adiction is when people
2:43:20
Speaker 10: have the behaviors that are hurting their lives and having
2:43:23
Speaker 10: negative consequences, but either they keep doing it or they
2:43:27
Speaker 10: can't stop. And that's the real definition of addiction. And
2:43:31
Speaker 10: it fits for gambling, it fits for substances, and it
2:43:33
Speaker 10: fits for sex and phone and social media and everything else.
2:43:36
Speaker 2: Well, then we're okay because Brendon Soorsby it didn't hurt
2:43:39
Speaker 2: his life, he has no negative consequences and so he's
2:43:42
Speaker 2: not addicted.
2:43:43
Speaker 1: You just fixed it. Good job.
2:43:45
Speaker 10: But ultimately, I want to underscore one thing that you
2:43:47
Speaker 10: said that is really really important here, and that's what
2:43:50
Speaker 10: makes what has happened with Brendan Soorsby quite frankly shocking,
2:43:55
Speaker 10: misguided and the wrong decision on all levels.
2:43:58
Speaker 1: And a bottom line. This my dear five to two
2:44:02
Speaker 1: LDS mother, who is a.
2:44:06
Speaker 10: Who is a therapist herself and she works with LDS
2:44:10
Speaker 10: Family Services in the Northeast. Has so many tremendous sayings,
2:44:14
Speaker 10: but one of her most on point sayings that she
2:44:18
Speaker 10: has used to me often is the bottom line is
2:44:22
Speaker 10: this consequences are a bitch. That comes from my five
2:44:26
Speaker 10: to two Mormon LDS mother. Okay, So, like we can
2:44:31
Speaker 10: get into the debate about what is an addiction, we
2:44:34
Speaker 10: can get into a debate as far as what we
2:44:37
Speaker 10: need to do to help somebody who cannot stop something
2:44:40
Speaker 10: that is harming himself. For others, what should not be
2:44:44
Speaker 10: debatable is the consequences that come down as a result
2:44:47
Speaker 10: of your life choices and your actions. You were talking
2:44:50
Speaker 10: about it in the scope of you being a father,
2:44:54
Speaker 10: and I've experienced it in my own life. Like, Okay,
2:44:57
Speaker 10: feel bad for you. You're going through something, but guess
2:44:59
Speaker 10: what you did something that really was wrong. Now you
2:45:02
Speaker 10: got to go face the consequences, go through it, get better,
2:45:05
Speaker 10: get your life back.
2:45:06
Speaker 2: That's part of the journey of life. And I want
2:45:09
Speaker 2: to be clear, I want that for Brendan Soresby. I
2:45:12
Speaker 2: never I hope he never places another bet. If it's
2:45:14
Speaker 2: detrimental for him and it was hurting him, I hope
2:45:17
Speaker 2: he never places another bet. But there's no reason that
2:45:21
Speaker 2: he should be given the special treatment that nobody else
2:45:24
Speaker 2: in the history of college sports has been given. There
2:45:27
Speaker 2: is no reason for that.
2:45:28
Speaker 10: And if you take away consequences you when you enable
2:45:31
Speaker 10: the behavior and underscore that that's okay.
2:45:33
Speaker 2: And maybe more importantly, you now are giving a green
2:45:37
Speaker 2: light to virtually every behavior that any college athlete can
2:45:42
Speaker 2: engage in that is detrimental to themselves or others. You
2:45:44
Speaker 2: can they can now apparently just call this exact judge
2:45:48
Speaker 2: and say, will you reinstate my eligibility because missing my
2:45:52
Speaker 2: college basketball season because of you know that those TVs
2:45:57
Speaker 2: I stole, that's detrimental to my to my mental health.
2:46:00
Speaker 1: Right Parker Kingston?
2:46:02
Speaker 2: Is he calling and saying like, Hey, this rape charge
2:46:05
Speaker 2: that I'm facing and now I can't play detrimental to
2:46:08
Speaker 2: my mental health? Will you force BYU to let me play?
2:46:11
Speaker 2: It's the slippery ists of slopes.
2:46:12
Speaker 10: It's disgusting because the other thing you're you're you're and
2:46:15
Speaker 10: I know you got to go, but the message you're
2:46:17
Speaker 10: sending is hire the right attorney, go judge shopping, find
2:46:22
Speaker 10: the right judge in the right district, and just go
2:46:24
Speaker 10: file there.
2:46:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are hundreds and hundreds of judges across
2:46:28
Speaker 1: the country.
2:46:29
Speaker 10: So if you if you're if your boy in Lubbick
2:46:31
Speaker 10: isn't gonna get you what you want, maybe the guy
2:46:33
Speaker 10: in Boulder will. And all of these powerful attorneys have
2:46:36
Speaker 10: these networks of judges that they've known for years, so
2:46:38
Speaker 10: they call their boy that they went to law school with,
2:46:41
Speaker 10: who's now a judge in North Carolina's like, Hey, I'm
2:46:43
Speaker 10: gonna bring my guy there, and oh, by the way, uh,
2:46:46
Speaker 10: your boat looks sold. Maybe you need a little help
2:46:49
Speaker 10: getting a new boat, right, wink wink, And then boom,
2:46:51
Speaker 10: a deal is made and the kid's off the hook
2:46:53
Speaker 10: and he's allowed to play. It's it's a dangerous precedent.
2:46:56
Speaker 10: I don't mean to sound hyperbolic, but I'm still I
2:46:58
Speaker 10: told you when I saw a Theamil's tweet, I'm like,
2:47:00
Speaker 10: that's not real.
2:47:00
Speaker 1: And I'm still stunned. The consequences are going to be
2:47:05
Speaker 1: far reaching for college football, not so much for Brendan Soeresby.
2:47:10
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem stay tuned for the drive. It's going
2:47:13
Speaker 1: to be great. Today.
2:47:14
Speaker 2: Spence has been talking to actual addiction therapists, because you
2:47:17
Speaker 2: know that's the kind of research I should probably have
2:47:19
Speaker 2: been doing so. Sean O'Connell show wrapping up, will do
2:47:21
Speaker 2: it again tomorrow on ESPN seven hundred and ninety two
2:47:24
Speaker 2: NFM