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The Red Queen of Scots: Part I | Mary, Queen of Scots · Beheaded

0:05
SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
0:07
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season one, episode 13.
0:10
SPEAKER_01: Lucky number 13.
0:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
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SPEAKER_01: And I'm Elizabeth Black, and we just want to let you know that today is actually going to be part one of two.
0:19
SPEAKER_01: So this is the very end of our season one, and we're going to make sure that this is a very special episode.
0:24
SPEAKER_01: So part one of two, get ready, and Megan tell us what we're doing today.
0:28
SPEAKER_01: A big one.
0:29
SPEAKER_00: A big one.
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Mary, Queen of Scots.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: Can we do like some background like I was thinking like either applause or like a gas.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I don't want to do like lap track.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: It has to be like cool theme song, not like I don't know why Game of Thrones like just came to my head.
0:47
SPEAKER_00: It's like no no no no no.
0:49
SPEAKER_00: I'm down for the music, just not for like a cheesy applause or anything.
0:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm so so we wanted to do two parts because like we just have to draw it out.
0:57
SPEAKER_00: Like there's so much we have to do.
1:00
SPEAKER_00: We gotta do Mary Wright.
1:01
SPEAKER_00: We've gotta do two parts.
1:03
SPEAKER_01: So this is gonna be a big episode, tons of content to cover.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: Um so we'll take you up through like the first part of her life and her first husband in this one.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: Her life was a shit show.
1:13
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: There's so much that happened in her life.
1:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, talk about just like one travesty after another and fate just hating you.
1:21
SPEAKER_01: Um but we're both Mary Queen of Scott fans, I would say.
1:24
SPEAKER_01: Ugh, my girl.
1:25
SPEAKER_01: My girl.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Thread queen.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: So um right now I know we're in the very middle of craziness in our world.
1:34
SPEAKER_00: And in our last episode, we had a little like disclosure at the beginning because that was oh my god.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: We filmed we recorded that like a month ago.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:42
SPEAKER_00: More than a month ago.
1:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: Um, and things have just really changed so much since then.
1:47
SPEAKER_00: But um, Elizabeth and I are staying safe.
1:49
SPEAKER_00: We actually postponed recording this episode by we're we're completely like off off schedule right now.
1:56
SPEAKER_00: We are.
1:57
SPEAKER_01: Thank you for sticking with us.
1:58
SPEAKER_01: We know obviously everything has been off in your life, so we don't mean to be another thing that's just off.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: We gotta keep well, I know we wanted to keep as consistent as possible.
2:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:05
SPEAKER_00: But um, we I you're the first person I've seen in 15 days.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:11
SPEAKER_00: 16 days.
2:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we waited the you know, uh suggested two weeks.
2:16
SPEAKER_01: We didn't go out of our houses.
2:17
SPEAKER_01: We're working from home, we're not doing anything outside the house.
2:20
SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, we were symptom-free.
2:23
SPEAKER_01: Um, we're maintaining six feet of distance, and I washed my hands as soon as I washed.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: That was the first thing.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: Not only did you wash your hands, you came in and I was V impressed.
2:32
SPEAKER_00: You brought your own wine glass and your own napkin.
2:37
SPEAKER_01: I brought like a cloth napkin and my own wine glass.
2:39
SPEAKER_01: I was like, I gotta be safe, Megan.
2:41
SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't eat off your plates.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be real safe here.
2:44
SPEAKER_01: So we don't have any like cool themed wine or cool themed food or anything this episode because it's just like survival right now.
2:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
2:53
SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth and I are absolutely social distancing, not going out.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, the laws right now in Arizona are not as strict.
3:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a bad thing, actually.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: I think you know, we're way behind New York, California, like all the places that are doing shelter in place.
3:09
SPEAKER_01: We're in Arizona, like uh it's recommended you stay home, but there's no mandate.
3:15
SPEAKER_01: People are still very much out and about.
3:17
SPEAKER_01: Like I live, like the condo we live in is on a golf course, and I still see people golfing every day.
3:23
SPEAKER_01: Oh, same here.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: I live on a golf course.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, that's right.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's open.
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Um, the grocery stores are pretty stocked right now, but I know restaurants are only doing like deliveries, takeout, that kind of thing.
3:36
SPEAKER_00: Even then, I'm not even doing that, which I do feel guilty because I do worry about like the small businesses and I do worry about restaurants and and all of that, but also our money.
3:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, I also like don't want someone preparing my food, yeah, not knowing.
3:53
SPEAKER_01: Robbie's been really weird about that.
3:54
SPEAKER_01: We've had to plan like certain nights.
3:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, he, of course, he's Italian, so he's like, I want to support Andreolis and Giuseppes and all these places.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I want to support all my favorite restaurants too.
4:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but he has to like plan it and he has to like he's the one of those people that when he gets things in the house, he like leaves it for a certain amount of time and wipes things down, and he's very ace like OCD about it, so I'm just letting him do his thing.
4:16
SPEAKER_01: I I I'm not an OCD person, like I am in different ways, but not when it comes to germs.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: Our practices have definitely changed.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: Like you coming into the house and washing your hands right away, and I have like a new like filter on the microphone that I can change out, so like trying to just keep as well.
4:31
SPEAKER_01: We're being as germ-free as possible, yeah, safe as possible.
4:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, but we're happy that we could at least come together.
4:37
SPEAKER_01: And again, we haven't seen each other in so long.
4:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, this is the longest we haven't seen each other in years.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: Have you realized that?
4:43
SPEAKER_00: That makes me kind of sad.
4:44
SPEAKER_00: I know we FaceTime each other, we couldn't.
4:47
SPEAKER_00: It was like we couldn't.
4:49
SPEAKER_01: So this is a you know reuniting episode for me and Megan.
4:53
SPEAKER_00: Oh friends together at last.
4:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, not a lot has happened since we last spoke to everybody.
5:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're we're struggling to come up with hobbies in general, I feel.
5:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm lucky because I'm a person who like I run anyway, like I read anyway.
5:09
SPEAKER_01: So, like, quarantine for me isn't a huge deal.
5:11
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, I can't go to dinner, that's fine.
5:13
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just like going out for me, like going to the movies and going out to dinner, right?
5:17
SPEAKER_00: Going to happy hour, that's really changed.
5:18
SPEAKER_01: And seeing our girlfriends, like we do have a pretty close uh group of girls that we like to see often and we can't see them all the time.
5:24
SPEAKER_01: Uh we do virtual happy hours, which is nice.
5:26
SPEAKER_00: But but yeah, so what have you been doing to keep in?
5:29
SPEAKER_00: Um I signed up for something busy.
5:31
SPEAKER_00: It's through Historic Palaces, which they um are basically in charge of like Hampton Court Palace, Tower of London, and they have um an online, a free online course through University of Glasgow.
5:46
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, and it's on historical royal fashion.
5:50
SPEAKER_00: It's like an online free course, and it comes out in weekly segments for five weeks.
5:54
SPEAKER_00: So I've started that as well.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: I want to do that.
5:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yes.
5:57
SPEAKER_00: If you go to I think like historicpalaces.com.
6:00
SPEAKER_00: Ooh, okay.
6:01
SPEAKER_00: We'll look it up.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I should double check that that was I kind of made that up.
6:05
SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
6:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that's your website.
6:07
SPEAKER_01: Well, I've heard a lot of Ivy League schools are offering free classes right now, which is awesome.
6:11
SPEAKER_01: Like I love love, love school.
6:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
6:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, and you know, I love lectures, like I love learning, I love reading.
6:18
SPEAKER_01: So sign me up.
6:19
SPEAKER_01: Like, if I don't have to do an essay at the end of the course, you know, that's fine, I don't want to do that really.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: But I do anything else.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna start away for you.
6:26
SPEAKER_00: I think yeah, it's very easygoing and it's like a go go at your own pace, just watch the videos.
6:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, there's a little community you can reach out to and talk to and talk about some royal fashion.
6:36
SPEAKER_00: So that's been fun, it's pretty dope.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: Um, the last time though that we've recorded, it was the night before we were gonna go to the Renfair.
6:43
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we have to talk about it Oh my god.
6:45
SPEAKER_01: So that was probably, I would say we went out with the bang in the social realm because we had a very interesting time at the Renfair.
6:53
SPEAKER_01: We've been to the Renfair obviously several times together before.
6:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, but this time, as we mentioned in our last episode, we were like, okay, now we have our podcast, we're super proud of it.
7:02
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna like, you know, talk to vendors and give them our cards and just let them know who we are.
7:07
SPEAKER_01: And not in any kind of solicitation way, just I wouldn't call it solicitation.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: No.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: Exposure, promotion, and a nice, easy, friendly stuff.
7:18
SPEAKER_01: Socialization?
7:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:20
SPEAKER_01: So we went about our day in the Renfair, and I will say, Megan was a harder hitter than me because I do not throw me under the wagon for the.
7:28
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, like, I wanted it to be just like, okay, if it comes up, we'll give them a card.
7:33
SPEAKER_01: Megan was like, I'm gonna go talk to those guys over there.
7:35
SPEAKER_01: They look like beheaded fans.
7:37
SPEAKER_00: Well, I was like the bad girls of Instagram like came out in the Renfair.
7:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that was A, Megan polished off her flask.
7:46
SPEAKER_01: So I was like, we had like one or two drinks together, and then all of a sudden I was like, How much do you got left in your flask?
7:53
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Oh, I'm done.
7:54
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, And this was like 12:30.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: I was like, Megan, it's it's not even one o'clock yet.
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
8:00
SPEAKER_01: And then she got real bold with business cards, so she got a little aggressive with going to some strangers and You're you're spinning this, like it's on me.
8:08
SPEAKER_01: I feel like on both of us, but I I was again, I feel like you were just better at it than me.
8:14
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
8:15
SPEAKER_00: I was better at it and was more outgoing.
8:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:17
SPEAKER_01: And we I kind of hung back.
8:19
SPEAKER_01: She was the forefront.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: We were in my favorite store, Pendragon costumes, which I've mentioned multiple times.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:25
SPEAKER_00: Out of the entire fair.
8:26
SPEAKER_00: It was inside my favorite store.
8:28
SPEAKER_01: Favorite of like, I don't know any other vendor's name except this one because Megan loves it so much.
8:33
SPEAKER_01: And I turn around and there's like security like surrounding us.
8:45
SPEAKER_01: Which I don't drink like sweet drinks.
8:47
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I like bourbon and whiskey, but I was like, oh, this sounds fun and refreshing at the Ren Fair.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: And Megan had, what did you have?
8:53
SPEAKER_01: Like a it was like um cider.
8:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I don't drink that.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: No, it was a vodka cranberry something.
9:03
SPEAKER_01: So we had our drinks, we're walking the pen dragging.
9:06
SPEAKER_01: Which you had?
9:06
SPEAKER_01: No.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: That's a lot of liquor mixing.
9:08
SPEAKER_01: It was.
9:09
SPEAKER_01: You had what?
9:10
SPEAKER_01: You had Kraken, um, you had kraken, right?
9:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: Cider and then that vodka drink.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
9:17
SPEAKER_00: So I guess I get it now.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: No.
9:19
SPEAKER_01: But so we're walking in, pen dragging, we're talking to the owner, and we both have our drinks, and these two big security guards come and they like corner us.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, I was so scared.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: Tiny space, and they're like, ladies, you need to come with us.
9:30
SPEAKER_01: And I immediately aggressive.
9:32
SPEAKER_01: I don't know why I'm still like 18 in my brain.
9:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm 31 years old, but I'm like, in my brain, I was like, it's because we have drinks.
9:38
SPEAKER_01: And so I was like, oh my god, I was like, is it because of our alcohol?
9:42
SPEAKER_01: And he looks at me like I'm stupid.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: He's like, no.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: He's like, it's about the business cards.
9:48
SPEAKER_01: We got cards.
9:49
SPEAKER_01: And I didn't, I immediately knew, I was like, oh no, like they're getting us because we look like solicitors and we're trying to get free advertising.
9:56
SPEAKER_01: Look like we were.
9:57
SPEAKER_00: But I also call you out.
10:00
SPEAKER_00: So they're like, okay, yeah, we're gonna have to, you know, walk you out and confiscate the cards.
10:04
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay.
10:06
SPEAKER_00: And Elizabeth walks 10 feet, like they're like walking me out, 10 feet behind me, like dilly-dally around, looking at things, acting like you're not a part of this at all.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: I I've explained this to everyone before.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Our listeners know I'm a very like slow pace of life person.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: I'm not an urgent person.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
10:29
SPEAKER_01: And if someone security is walking, kicking me out, I'm gonna be like, okay, at my pace, please.
10:34
SPEAKER_01: And I even said that to the guy.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: I wanted to get that over with.
10:38
SPEAKER_00: Let's take the walk of shame quickly.
10:40
SPEAKER_01: So she's walking with the security guard, like practically like arm in arm, and I am like 10, 5 feet behind.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: But I'm in friends with this dude.
10:47
SPEAKER_00: She did, no, she didn't.
10:48
SPEAKER_00: I did.
10:49
SPEAKER_00: I I worked it because David was super cool.
10:52
SPEAKER_00: I was like, shout out David.
10:54
SPEAKER_00: Shout out David, security at the Run Fair in Arizona.
10:57
SPEAKER_00: I was like, can I at least tell you what we're soliciting?
10:59
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, soliciting, soliciting, sorry.
11:02
SPEAKER_00: He's like, oh, fine, like give it to me.
11:05
SPEAKER_00: So I was like, well, we actually host podcasts, and I'm like going, he's like, oh, that actually sounds kind of cool.
11:10
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yes, thank you.
11:11
SPEAKER_00: And then I'm just making jokes.
11:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, so like, what does it look like?
11:15
SPEAKER_00: Am I gonna be put on the rack, like in the stocks?
11:17
SPEAKER_00: Like, what does this like torture process look like?
11:20
SPEAKER_00: I was like, please don't make this sexual, Megan.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: I wasn't making it sexual.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: I know.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: Um but we became kind of not I wouldn't say friends, but acquaintances.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: I would say friends.
11:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, we saw him later.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: They stopped us like at the farthest point of the fair, so that was a good like 10-minute walk to the entrance.
11:37
SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize how like deep into the Ren fair we were because we were in there.
11:40
SPEAKER_01: Walk took forever.
11:41
SPEAKER_01: And then we obviously couldn't take our drinks.
11:49
SPEAKER_01: Well, that was the thing.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: Dave at first was like, we got to the exit and he's like, okay, here's the deal.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, I was supposed to like walk you girls out, but you seem harmless.
11:57
SPEAKER_00: He's like, you're cooperating, you have a pretty good reason.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: So do me this favor like go put the cards in the car and I'll let you back in.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, thank you.
12:07
SPEAKER_01: So I I took that walk.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:09
SPEAKER_01: I was sitting at the entrance with the map when two drinks just hanging out, waiting, waiting for me to then walk all the way to the car.
12:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which you couldn't find.
12:17
SPEAKER_00: But it was funny then because then later on we saw David again, and he's like, hey, he gave us one of the like, hey, we like you, we know you.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was like with all the security guard friends, and I was like, hey, not some of the security guard friends, I was like, hey, we're the girls who got in trouble.
12:33
SPEAKER_00: They're like, we know you were all over those walkie-talkies, and we were trying to corner you girls down.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: And I was like, were we the rowdiest people of the fair so far?
12:42
SPEAKER_00: And they said we were the rowdiest.
12:44
SPEAKER_00: So that I think that goes down in the books.
12:47
SPEAKER_00: Bad girls of Instagram, bad girls of the Ren Fair, you just, you know, can't stop us.
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Can't stop us now.
12:52
SPEAKER_00: We keep getting in trouble, damn it.
12:54
SPEAKER_00: We're just trying to have a podcast here.
12:56
SPEAKER_00: Didn't we get wrong?
12:57
SPEAKER_01: I will say one more story from the Renfair before we get on to our content today, because it I just felt so bad for our day in general.
13:03
SPEAKER_01: We had a weird day at the Renfair.
13:06
SPEAKER_01: So we met these guys earlier, um, where we gave them their cards and they're like, oh, this looks so cool, thank you.
13:10
SPEAKER_01: And they were dressed up almost like a jester or whatever.
13:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they seemed cool.
13:14
SPEAKER_01: They seemed nice.
13:15
SPEAKER_01: And then later we saw them again, and they were with like a larger group of people, and they're like, Oh, like these are the girls we were telling you about, the girls with the podcast.
13:22
SPEAKER_01: And we're like, Yeah, and we're trying to be friendly and just say hello to their gang.
13:26
SPEAKER_01: And we'll all of a sudden, because it's a rand fair, people are like hammered, like one guy just comes barreling out of nowhere and like knocks over the guy who's talking to us, knocks over Megan.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: It was like a domino effect, and like Megan goes to the ground, and her business cards and her flowers and her basket fly everywhere.
13:44
SPEAKER_00: And then my basket broke.
13:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and then they like have a basket that I keep like, you know, my stuff in, and the handle broke off, and I'm just like and she's like, Okay, we're done here, and we just walk away from this group of people.
13:55
SPEAKER_01: And they felt so bad.
13:56
SPEAKER_01: The jester guy we made friends with, he's like, No, I'm sorry, guys.
13:58
SPEAKER_00: I know I felt bad too.
13:59
SPEAKER_00: And we were just like that was just kind of like the chair, like it was just a rough day.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: And if you're out there and you're listening to this, we really did think you guys were cool.
14:06
SPEAKER_00: I just I was having a rough day at that point between security walking us out, my basket was breaking.
14:12
SPEAKER_00: What else?
14:13
SPEAKER_00: There were other weird things that happened, like just random um stuff.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
14:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, there was though.
14:18
SPEAKER_01: I have to think about it.
14:19
SPEAKER_00: Just little things like through the day we're like, and this is going on.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: We did see the mermaids, and that was really cool.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: I love the mermaids.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: The live mermaid show.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: That was new live mermaids.
14:26
SPEAKER_00: Really beautiful.
14:27
SPEAKER_01: We saw uh puppies of penzans.
14:29
SPEAKER_01: That was really cute.
14:31
SPEAKER_01: They train doggies to go on this little ship and they do tricks, and it was awesome.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: We saw Sir Max and Sir Edgeron and your new bow.
14:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Ravi doesn't listen, obviously, so I can say this.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: Um, so Don.
14:43
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the Jousters.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
14:45
SPEAKER_01: Backtrack.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: The Jousters.
14:46
SPEAKER_00: Don Vincenzo is my boy.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: I know.
14:49
SPEAKER_00: So I am a fan of Sir Edron.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:52
SPEAKER_00: And Sir Maximilian, who I got a picture with.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: Maximilian's like your OG lover.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: He's my OG.
14:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: Don Vincello.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: Vincenzo.
15:00
SPEAKER_00: He's a cutie.
15:01
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
15:02
SPEAKER_01: They had these two like Italian noblety or noblemen who were competing in the gym.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: Knights.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: They're knights, sorry.
15:08
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
15:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the knights.
15:10
SPEAKER_01: Come on, very handsome.
15:12
SPEAKER_01: I think one looked at me and I think he was like, hey.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: Don Vincello?
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Vincenzo.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: Vincenzo.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
15:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think he had eyes for you.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: Right?
15:19
SPEAKER_01: Because we were in the front and like we bought this new pretty parasol that was all lace.
15:23
SPEAKER_01: So we looked really nice.
15:24
SPEAKER_01: We were like, yeah, we look cute.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: No, he had eyes for you for the free.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: I think he was like, you right there.
15:30
SPEAKER_00: Are you Elizabeth Black?
15:31
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, he knows me.
15:33
SPEAKER_00: Here's my business card.
15:34
SPEAKER_00: Just getting no security aid.
15:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh well, we live and we learn.
15:39
SPEAKER_00: Anyways, we have so much to talk about.
15:41
SPEAKER_00: Um, we have to get to it.
15:42
SPEAKER_00: Sorry to cut things short on the Renfair.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: No, but all we had to say about the Renfair.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: Weird day, but hey, we made some contacts.
15:49
SPEAKER_01: If you got our business card, thanks for listening.
15:51
SPEAKER_00: The four people who got them, thank you so much.
15:53
SPEAKER_01: It was like 20.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
15:55
SPEAKER_00: 15.
15:56
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Um, Mary Queen of Scots.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: Ooh, Mary Queen of Scots.
16:00
SPEAKER_01: Because we need to take a breath.
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:02
SPEAKER_01: We'll reset.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: Get into the mindset.
16:04
SPEAKER_01: Okay, talk about just amazing woman.
16:07
SPEAKER_01: This was a period of time that Megan and I both love because it's two women monarchs who are like owning old world Europe.
16:17
SPEAKER_01: Like this is prime time for just female domination.
16:21
SPEAKER_01: So if you know your history, you know that the two main characters in this narrative are Mary Queen of Scots and Elizabeth I.
16:29
SPEAKER_01: And we'll get into Mary Queen of Scots today, and we'll start off with her early life.
16:33
SPEAKER_01: So we'll talk about how she kind of uh, you know, rose through the beginning part of her life, um, talk about her first husband a bit, and in the second part we'll go into a little bit of when her life gets more rocky and when things are starting to descend closer to her execution.
16:48
SPEAKER_01: Um so lots of highs and lows here, but overall amazing woman.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: Alright, so let's go ahead and dig right into the fun facts.
16:57
SPEAKER_01: Um she actually was born December 8th in 1542.
17:03
SPEAKER_01: Um so she was born to a couple, um, King James V, who was a Scot, and Mary de Gu De Guise.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: De Guise.
17:12
SPEAKER_01: De Guise, thank you.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Mary de Guise, who was French.
17:15
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna backtrack a little bit before her birth.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: Um so uh King James is actually the nephew of King Henry VIII.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: Um so he really was at odds with King Henry VIII.
17:27
SPEAKER_01: King Henry VIII, at this point, has had multiple wives, um, King James, his nephew, um, was really looking to kind of separate himself from King Henry VIII.
17:37
SPEAKER_01: So he was looking to always form an alliance with France.
17:40
SPEAKER_01: Because, as you may know, Henry VIII had a little bit of uh, I don't know, complex history with France.
17:46
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they were on the same side, but oftentimes they were at odds with each other.
17:51
SPEAKER_01: Um so his first wife before Marie was French as well.
17:55
SPEAKER_01: But they were only married for a hot minute before his first wife died.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: So when Marie, before she married King James V, um before uh they kind of got involved, uh King Henry VIII was actually looking at her as a potential wife.
18:09
SPEAKER_00: Which I did not know that until we started doing some heavy research on this.
18:14
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: Um so so this is kind of an interesting interlude because he was in between wives at the time, was looking around for eligible.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: This is the end of his life, too, because he died in 47.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh 1547.
18:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:28
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so it was kind of funny that history had it that she like didn't really, you know, she wasn't feeling the King Henry thing that never came to fruition.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: So instead, instead she marries King James, who's again opposed to King Henry VIII.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: So she becomes um James's second wife.
18:43
SPEAKER_01: And they had an interesting relationship because they actually did have um two boys, two small children for a while, and their um marriage was was pretty good, pretty stable, as you might expect in this era.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: Uh but the two boys were uh rumored to have been poisoned.
18:59
SPEAKER_01: So the two boys died when they were fairly young.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, the relationship gets very strained.
19:05
SPEAKER_01: Um King James has like a series of mistresses, Marie was maybe an adulteress, like they people were weren't really sure what was going on with her, but they just knew that they weren't like a happy couple anymore.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: But ironically, this is when Mary Queen of Scots was born.
19:20
SPEAKER_00: Which makes me think perhaps was that even her father.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
19:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we're not a hundred percent sure that King James V was even Mary Queen of Scots' father.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: Um but obviously, you know, for the sake of optics, everyone was like, Oh my goodness, here's this child that's born.
19:37
SPEAKER_01: Um, and she is now the heir to the throne because there are no male heirs.
19:42
SPEAKER_01: So King uh James V, when he's um about to die and he knows that Mary Queen of Scots is gonna take over, um, he basically says something which he says it in like Scottish, so it sounds very different.
19:55
SPEAKER_01: Um, but it essentially means it came with the lass and it'll pass with the lass.
19:59
SPEAKER_01: Meaning when he came, um when he was born, uh Scottish was under female rule, and now that he's dying, it is again passing to female rule.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: Say in a Scottish accent.
20:10
SPEAKER_01: It's time with the loss, and it'll gang with the loss.
20:12
SPEAKER_01: That's not bad.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
20:13
SPEAKER_01: Alright, that's I was gonna try, but I'm not gonna go after that.
20:18
SPEAKER_01: That was pretty good.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so this is a little fun fact, but people think Mary Mary quite contrary, the nursery rhyme is about her.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: You know what's creepy?
20:28
SPEAKER_00: So I had this, I didn't know for sure, but this morning I was like thinking about preparing for today, and I was showering.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: You know, we all sing the shower, and I started singing that song.
20:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh, just like out of the blue.
20:39
SPEAKER_00: But like I was thinking about like Mary Queen of Scots.
20:41
SPEAKER_00: I was like, oh, Mary, Mary.
20:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like Mary, Mary, quite contrary.
20:44
SPEAKER_00: How do you think?
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Were you thinking of Secret Garden?
20:47
SPEAKER_00: I oh my god, you know me.
20:50
SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth, you know me so well.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: It scares me.
20:54
SPEAKER_00: Only because we love all of the same 90s movies.
20:57
SPEAKER_00: No Muppet Treasure Island.
21:00
SPEAKER_01: No, no Muppet Treasure Island, please.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're big Secret Garden fans.
21:05
SPEAKER_01: But but yeah, that uh nursery rhyme is said to be about her.
21:08
SPEAKER_01: There it's like some some people think it's about Mary Tudor of England, um, but there's kind of more evidence to support that it was Mary Queen of Scots.
21:16
SPEAKER_01: And just to break it down a little bit, so Mary Mary, quite contrary, is saying, like, contrary to the rule of like men in Scotland, which is what, again, the Scots revered, she's ruling as a woman.
21:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then they say, How does your garden grow?
21:29
SPEAKER_01: Which is more referring to like the rolling hills and lush landscaped of Scotland, um, with silver bells and Concashells, which silver bells are used in a Catholic mass, and she was fiercely Catholic, and Concashells is also another Tudor.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: I know, exactly.
21:43
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, as I'm saying this one, sorry, and I'm also thinking like gardens like English gardens.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: The last one listening.
21:50
SPEAKER_01: Pretty maids all in a row.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: Um, Mary was known to have her ladies in waiting, which were called the Four Marys, because they were all named Mary, and they were the daughters of like Scottish nobility.
22:01
SPEAKER_01: So when people hear Pretty Maids All in a Row, they think of Mary and her ladies in waiting.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: You know, like Lola and Kenna and those girls.
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, don't even get me started, please.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Maybe is that why they gave them weird names?
22:13
SPEAKER_01: Because they all were named Mary.
22:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's give them all names of 2011.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: We talked about that.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: I know.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna go off on that.
22:20
SPEAKER_01: I know, but but maybe that's why they did it, because there was no way to distinguish between them if they were Mary.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: You do like Mary, A, B, C, and D.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Everyone in England was freaking named either Mary, Elizabeth, or Jane or Anne.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Those were the four names.
22:36
SPEAKER_00: Catherine.
22:37
SPEAKER_00: Maybe a Claude every now and then.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe, yeah, Catherine.
22:40
SPEAKER_00: Claude is very specific.
22:42
SPEAKER_00: There were Clauds.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: Okay, sure.
22:44
SPEAKER_00: Um James, Margaret, Margaret.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: Which is Mary.
22:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:49
SPEAKER_01: Um well back in the day, didn't you always have to have saints' names?
22:53
SPEAKER_01: Because that was a that was a thing, right?
22:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, they also named them a lot after royalty.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: So it's like if Elizabeth was on the throne, the name Elizabeth was so, so unoriginal.
23:07
SPEAKER_00: Uh basic.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: So basic.
23:09
SPEAKER_00: I didn't even put two together for half a second.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Elizabeth, you know, they would have named every daughter being born that year Elizabeth.
23:15
SPEAKER_01: Well, this is interesting too.
23:16
SPEAKER_01: So my mom, my my mother's name is Margaret, but she goes by Peggy because everyone knows her as Peggy.
23:22
SPEAKER_01: That was like her nickname, which is kind of a jump, I think, from Margaret to Peggy.
23:26
SPEAKER_01: But she always told me that her and her sisters had to be named after saints.
23:29
SPEAKER_00: Oh.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:30
SPEAKER_00: So it's my mom's Catholic.
23:33
SPEAKER_00: Her name is Lisa.
23:34
SPEAKER_00: Is there a saint named Lisa?
23:36
SPEAKER_01: From the Saint Lisa.
23:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
23:39
SPEAKER_01: Um anyway.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so she has her four Mary.
23:43
SPEAKER_01: She has her four Mary.
23:44
SPEAKER_01: So again, so whenever you hear that nursery rhyme, it's most likely Mary Queen of Scots.
23:49
SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, going back to when she was a very young girl, um, King Henry VIII is still around at this point, and he knows of her birth, and he thinks, okay, I want to reclaim Scotland.
24:00
SPEAKER_01: The easiest way to do that is to have his son Edward, um, that he had with uh Jane Seymour, his third wife, um, he said, We're gonna make sure that they get married.
24:10
SPEAKER_01: But they the history historians call it a rather rough wooing um because he really like went at it very aggressively.
24:17
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't a nice proposal of like, oh, you have this daughter, I have a son.
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Did he do anything non-aggressive though?
24:22
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about no.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: He was uh he was an all-out there kind of guy.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: Um, so he actually locked Marie, the widow, perfect.
24:32
SPEAKER_01: James V.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: He locks her in um her castle in Sterling, and he basically quarantines her, like it's like Rona times, and he's like, Okay, you're staying in here, and your daughter's gonna marry my son.
24:43
SPEAKER_01: We just have to wait for her to come of age, so you guys just wait.
24:46
SPEAKER_00: Sounds like a great plan.
24:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
24:49
SPEAKER_01: Great plan.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then a few years later, so she's been essentially quarantined all this time, um, King Henry dies in 1547.
24:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, so at that point, the Earl of Hartford kind of takes over as a steward, like managing the day-to-day operations.
25:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, but he wants to invade Scotland at this point, and he kind of forces the marriage between the two child monarchs like further.
25:11
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, there's like all this intense pressure for them to get married, and again, it's not this like very nice exchange of words, like treaties involved.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: No, this is like a hey, like, this is how we're gonna get you.
25:22
SPEAKER_01: So France actually at this point really stepped in and they wanted to help Marie get her and Mary out of Scotland.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, so they were like, okay, here's what we're gonna do for you.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have you marry um Prince Francis.
25:37
SPEAKER_01: Who's the like dauphine of France?
25:39
SPEAKER_01: Exactly, the Dauphine.
25:40
SPEAKER_01: So he's going to be the next king of France.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: Um so they meet when they're very young.
25:45
SPEAKER_01: Francis is four, Mary's five.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: So cute.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: And there's this immediate, you know Sheer love from the very beginning.
25:52
SPEAKER_01: Love at first sight when you're She's like, hey, look at my rattle.
25:55
SPEAKER_01: He's like, My rattle's cooler.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's beautiful.
25:58
SPEAKER_01: So love at first sight between these two children.
26:01
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they get up and move to the French court.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so from the time she's small, everyone just describes her as this perfect child, Mary.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: Um, she's smart, she's pretty, she's intelligent, um, she has tons of skills in terms of like she does falconry and embroidery, and she's like, She is like the ideal woman of the Renaissance.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: So um she knows all these languages too.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: She knows French, she knows Italian, she knows Latin, she knows Spanish, she knows Greek.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Um, and she knows Scot, which I didn't know was a language, but wouldn't it be how you go like we las.
26:37
SPEAKER_00: So it's a variation, it's like a dialect of English?
26:40
SPEAKER_00: I think it's um I think it's kind of like how Irish have Gaelic.
26:43
SPEAKER_00: So actually, I don't think they call it Scot.
26:46
SPEAKER_00: I think they just call it like the native language of the Scots.
26:49
SPEAKER_00: So it's called like the Scots language?
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: Let's look it up.
26:53
SPEAKER_00: Native language of Scots.
26:55
SPEAKER_00: See, we're very proactive in this podcast.
26:58
SPEAKER_00: We look things up as we go.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: It's super smart.
27:01
SPEAKER_00: It is called, yeah, Scottish Gaelic.
27:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
27:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, interesting.
27:05
SPEAKER_00: So it's a dialect of English spoken in Scotland, but it's referred to as Scottish English or Scottish Gaelic, a minority language.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: It's like Catilian in Spanish, like how that's kind of a dialect of Spain.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: I guess it makes sense.
27:22
SPEAKER_01: I'd like to interview a person with that so we kind of understand more about it.
27:25
SPEAKER_01: If you can speak Scottish Gaelic, DM us, slide in the DMs.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: Contact us.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:30
SPEAKER_01: We're interested.
27:31
SPEAKER_01: Um so at this point, uh, she essentially spends 13 years in France.
27:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, she marries uh Francis in 1558.
27:40
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I didn't know this.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: They're married in Notre Dame, which I know is beautiful.
27:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh I feel like that's sad now, ever since Notre Dame caught on fire.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: But I didn't know that before.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: And you have you have you been to Paris?
27:54
SPEAKER_01: Uh don't rub it in.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: But I have not asking.
27:58
SPEAKER_01: Um I have been to Notre Dame before.
28:00
SPEAKER_01: I went in like I think 2009 was when I saw Notre Dame.
28:05
SPEAKER_01: I've seen the movie a lot.
28:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:07
SPEAKER_00: Big in the show.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: I was Esmeralda for Halloween, like six years in a row.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, probably my favorite Disney character.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: Love her.
28:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I I loved the cathedral, it's so beautiful.
28:16
SPEAKER_01: I got like a dorky commemorative pressed coin, you know, where you get the penny machines with like the dollar and all that.
28:22
SPEAKER_01: Um, so I got a really cool commemorative pressed coin.
28:25
SPEAKER_01: If anyone wants to see it, it's pre-fire days of Notre Dame.
28:29
SPEAKER_01: But I love Notre Dame, and I think that's so beautiful they were married there.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: It's like the ultimate Catholic, beautiful cathedral.
28:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, so anyway, they were married there, spends 13 years in the French court, and then has a very traumatic year where in the same year her mother dies and Francis dies, her husband.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: And Francis's father So sorry, I'm gonna interrupt for half a half a second.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um at first her and Francis were just regents of France.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
29:03
SPEAKER_00: And then Francis' father was Henry the Second, which is kind of confusing because obviously there's like, as we just mentioned, there's like so many like Henry's and Marys, and you know, Francis's like easy to get confused.
29:16
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and kind of within their own countries they created their own legacies.
29:21
SPEAKER_00: So while in England they got up to Henry the Eighth in France, we're we're still on the second.
29:27
SPEAKER_00: So his father was Henry the Second, who was actually killed in a jousting out accident.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's what triggered them to become the king and the queen of France.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: And they were young, they were 15 and 16 years old.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: They were very young.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: So all of this and all of this whole time frame we're talking about, she's still like, in my mind, she's a child.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: She's a kid.
29:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I had my like first kiss at 16.
29:52
SPEAKER_00: She's already ruling France and married.
29:54
SPEAKER_00: Some of us were 11.
29:57
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't broadcast that to the world.
29:59
SPEAKER_00: I was just kidding.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't good.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so they both die in the same year.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Her mother, her dear Frances.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, it's time for her to kind of come of age and return to Scotland, um, which she's never really known.
30:14
SPEAKER_01: I mean she was 18.
30:15
SPEAKER_00: She was 18 when she retired.
30:16
SPEAKER_00: So she was five when she moved to France.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:19
SPEAKER_00: She was eighteen when she comes back.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: So that's 13 years for our 13th episode.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: And 13, obviously, being fairly unlucky.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Uh for Mary Queen of Scots.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: But I think it's both of our favorite numbers.
30:32
SPEAKER_01: You show Megan's birthday is on the 13th.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:35
SPEAKER_01: Super significant.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: And I turned 13 on Friday the 13th.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: I turned 30 on Friday.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: But you did?
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I turned 30 on Friday the 13th.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Whoa.
30:45
SPEAKER_00: Um I didn't know this.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: I think well, you know you're 30th, but I know you're 13th too.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I turned 13 on Friday the 13th.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh, anyways, it's it's been my number.
30:53
SPEAKER_00: Like Taylor Swift.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: It's our number.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, really quick though.
30:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: So here's my thing.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: I do like the movie Mary Queen of Scots with Margot Robbie and Sortia Ronan.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Sorsha.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Sorsha Ronan.
31:08
SPEAKER_00: My biggest gripe with that entire movie is that she had a Scottish accent.
31:13
SPEAKER_00: And if you're living in France from five to eighteen, you have a French accent.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: That actually, you cued me up like perfect to the next point because when she moved back to Scotland, she missed France so much that she changed the spelling of her name.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: She was basically French.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: She was French.
31:28
SPEAKER_00: She was Scottish in blood, French in heart.
31:31
SPEAKER_00: Well, and she was half French.
31:32
SPEAKER_00: Well, she was half French.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: She was a a a foot a fauch.
31:37
SPEAKER_00: Of of what's that mean?
31:39
SPEAKER_00: I'm trying to combine Scotch.
31:41
SPEAKER_00: French.
31:42
SPEAKER_00: A f Scrunch.
31:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:45
SPEAKER_00: I we can edit that part out.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
31:47
SPEAKER_01: Keep it in there.
31:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh god.
31:49
SPEAKER_01: Um so so yeah, so this is a I didn't know this, but because I always kind of wondered why the spellings were different between different characters in the story.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: Um, but when she moved from France to Scotland, again, she missed France so much that she changed the spelling of her last name to the French spelling of Stuart.
32:07
SPEAKER_01: So her name's Mary Stuart, which is S-T-W-A-R-T, and that's what she was born with, her Scottish name.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: And she changed it when she moved back to Scotland to the French spelling.
32:17
SPEAKER_00: I think that says a lot, right?
32:18
SPEAKER_00: I think that has a lot of meaning behind it.
32:20
SPEAKER_01: Which is S-T-U-A-R-T.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: And what's so funny to me is like, especially watching rain and you know, contemporary shows or movies, it's like when they show her in France, she's all about Scotland.
32:32
SPEAKER_01: She's like, My people, Scotland, my country, blah, blah, blah.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: And then here she is moving back to Scotland, getting her wish to be with her people.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: And she's like, ooh, actually, I'm French, and let's change my name to the channel.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: She was met with a lot of animosity when she finally came back to her Scottish people because they were like, Eh, girl, you kind of like betrayed us for a bit.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, you have not been you have not been here.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: We don't know who you are.
32:54
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm sure that was like a weird time for her trying to figure out like what where am I supposed to be.
32:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
33:00
SPEAKER_01: And um, it was actually interesting because she was able to really keep peace among the mo nobility when she came back to Scotland.
33:08
SPEAKER_01: So people, again, were very hesitant to like her when she came back.
33:11
SPEAKER_01: They didn't really trust her.
33:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, but she had all the charms of this lovely French woman.
33:16
SPEAKER_01: She was very graceful, she wanted everyone, yeah, she's very smart, so she worked in harmony with everybody.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: So she really did establish, again, peace among the nobility.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, and then she really, this is more of a political thing she did, but she advocated for religious tolerance.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: And that's because she was Catholic.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: Um Scotland was becoming increasingly Protestant, and her the nobility was kind of mixed.
33:38
SPEAKER_01: There was some Catholic nobles, there was a lot of Protestant.
33:41
SPEAKER_00: She also she combined her like privy council, yeah, her her parliament, while in England they were either you're all Catholic or you're all Protestant.
33:51
SPEAKER_00: You're either in or you're out, you're a heretic or you're not.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: She combined it, which I think was very like forward of her.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: She was a she very much celebrated diversity in that sense, and she wanted to have a mixed parliament.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
34:05
SPEAKER_00: So I think she was extremely tolerant, which makes me just like I I hate to say it, like everyone loves Elizabeth I, but in this whole story, like she just looks like a frickin' villain.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Awful person.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I just these little things that Mary, Queen of Scots, did just I have so much respect for her.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: Oh, totally.
34:20
SPEAKER_00: As a person.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: And this is when she started to get haters because here she is, this Hata's gonna hate.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
34:28
SPEAKER_01: Yes, my only song.
34:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh now two references to Taylor Swift.
34:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
34:32
SPEAKER_01: Um, but so she, you know, she starts this ascent to power in Scotland.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: People are starting to fall in love with her because they realize that she's this gentle creature.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: Um, and Elizabeth immediately, Elizabeth I from England is immediately like, okay, this woman's a threat.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: She's a threat.
34:47
SPEAKER_01: Because here Elizabeth is a Protestant queen in England, um, very much trying to, you know, pummel Catholicism kind of the same way her mother Anne Boleyn did.
34:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, and she's looking at Mary, who's again trying to make this harmonious parliament and she's Catholic.
35:03
SPEAKER_01: And but she's Catholic.
35:04
SPEAKER_01: Here we are again.
35:05
SPEAKER_00: What we keep going back to is the Catholics versus the Protestants.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Always, yeah.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: So Mary, Queen of Scots, did something else that really angered Elizabeth.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: She goes ahead and she marries her half cousin, Henry Stewart, Lord Darnsey.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: No, Darnley, sorry, Lord Darnley.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, and Henry Stewart.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: They yes, Henry Stewart.
35:25
SPEAKER_00: So they are actually both related, which was a thing back then, as we all know.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:29
SPEAKER_00: But they both were grandchildren of Margaret Tudor.
35:32
SPEAKER_00: So now going back to Mary's lineage, so her father was James V.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
35:38
SPEAKER_00: James V's mother was Margaret Tudor.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: Margaret was the sister of Henry VIII.
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Who?
35:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
35:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Visualize it in.
35:47
SPEAKER_00: Visualize that.
35:48
SPEAKER_00: So um, Henry, her new husband, Henry Stuart.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
35:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, we're gonna call him Darnsley moving forward.
35:54
SPEAKER_00: That's kind of like the reference.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I like Darnsley.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: We call him Darnsley, sure.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: Darnley, Darnley, Darnley.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: Darnley.
36:01
SPEAKER_00: Call him whatever you want to call him.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: Um they they both technically had a claim to the throne, and that scared the shit out of Elizabeth.
36:10
SPEAKER_00: That was a huge threat.
36:11
SPEAKER_00: So she gets extremely frustrated because they went ahead and got married without her approval.
36:17
SPEAKER_00: And of course, being Queen of England and you're off in Scotland getting married, of course you need her approval, right?
36:22
SPEAKER_00: Of course.
36:23
SPEAKER_00: So that kind of started all of this, and this started this hatred between Elizabeth and and Mary Queen of Scots.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, so she didn't approve of this marriage.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: She is now scared, okay, I have a power couple I'm up against, who if they try to take me down, they both have rights to the throne.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
36:39
SPEAKER_00: However, um, Mary Queen of Scots was technically the Queen.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
36:43
SPEAKER_00: And her husband, which is kind of, again, like forward thinking, he took the backseat.
36:48
SPEAKER_00: He was the consort of the Scotland.
36:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: He's like, you know, if you had the president and then first man.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
36:56
SPEAKER_00: So he he was a little gripey over that, and I'm sure that was a huge power struggle for him as well.
37:01
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
37:02
SPEAKER_01: Um, and so when she first met him, you know, she very much was uh w was into Darnley because they got along again, they're cousins, so they have some kind of you know kindred spirit thing going on.
37:13
SPEAKER_01: But she quickly learned that he was pretty violent, pretty arrogant, like he was a crazy drunk.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was kind of an asshole.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: Um he was very spoiled.
37:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, so it soon came out that she was very disappointed.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: I mean, she wasn't really trying to hold back in terms of her disappointment with her husband.
37:29
SPEAKER_01: So even though they were this power couple, uh, she had so many issues with him.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: And at this point, she's also facing pressure um from one of the biggest uh clergymen, one of the most powerful ministers in the country.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: His name was John Knox.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: Um so he is trying to declare Scotland as a Protestant state.
37:47
SPEAKER_01: Um and he publishes these pamphlets about her.
37:50
SPEAKER_01: He's saying that, you know, women aren't supposed to rule, women are yeah, like women are capricious, they can't make decisions, they just, you know, they're all adulteresses.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, so he's just trying to paint this picture of her, especially because she's in this kind of sad marriage at this point.
38:05
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, like just you can't trust a woman to rule.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: They don't know how to rule.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: So, so not even this though.
38:10
SPEAKER_00: So Mary really had people coming at her from all directions, and she was getting she she just always had to have her guard up.
38:18
SPEAKER_00: So at the same time, her half-brother, her the Earl of Moray.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Am I saying that correctly?
38:23
SPEAKER_00: I think Moray Moray.
38:24
SPEAKER_00: It's hard because like I mostly read all of these names and very rarely do I hear them spoken out loud.
38:30
SPEAKER_00: So I just kind of like say how I think you read it in accents.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I just like doing it.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, but he was also starting to rebel against her, against his own half-sister.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:41
SPEAKER_00: And he was raising his own troops of Protestants to fight against Mary, Queen of Scots.
38:47
SPEAKER_00: So she's dealing with Elizabeth not liking her, she's dealing with her half-brother not liking her, she's dealing with people like John Knox and all these Protestant rebellions.
38:55
SPEAKER_01: And think about how awful that is when you've spent 13 years in France, again, trying to kind of defend your homeland at what you know, whenever you can, and saying, No, I'm Scottish and these are my people, and blah blah blah.
39:05
SPEAKER_01: And as soon as you return to your homeland, everyone hates you and everyone thinks you're not allowed to be there.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: Awful.
39:12
SPEAKER_01: It is awful.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: Well, Darnley did something darn near awful.
39:17
SPEAKER_00: I get it.
39:20
SPEAKER_00: So their marriage is pretty strained at this point.
39:22
SPEAKER_00: She's realizing he's extremely arrogant and not very likable.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: Um, and he's unhappy because he's acting as king consort and doesn't have full rule or control over Scotland like Mary does.
39:34
SPEAKER_00: So Mary has a very, very good friend, um, David Rizzio.
39:39
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: Rizzio.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Rizzio.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: Rizzio.
39:42
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
39:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, that Darnley was also very threatened by.
39:47
SPEAKER_00: And he thought that they were flirting.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Um, Mary Queen of Scots became pregnant.
39:52
SPEAKER_00: She was at least five months pregnant, and he was convinced he was the father, not him.
39:58
SPEAKER_01: And he's supposed to be around.
39:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean, Ru uh Rizzio was her secretary, he was a dear friend to her.
40:03
SPEAKER_01: Some people rumored that he was close.
40:05
SPEAKER_01: He was gay, and he, you know, they were the movie Mary Queen of Scots, they portray him as being gay.
40:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so maybe he was just like a best friend to her.
40:12
SPEAKER_01: Um, but with her being five, six months pregnant, you know, and their them having a very strained marriage, Darnley was like, no.
40:20
SPEAKER_00: So he murders Rizzio in front of her at a dinner party.
40:26
SPEAKER_00: So if you if you were watching that movie, and I don't mean to give spoilers out, if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend Mary Queen of Scots.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, thank you.
40:33
SPEAKER_00: This is what I keep referencing.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of like honestly.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: So I have a lot of favorite reference movies with Mary Queen of Scots, but that was very I mean, that's the most recent.
40:45
SPEAKER_00: It was really, really well done.
40:47
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, so this scene is played out and it's really sad because honestly, it did happen in that way.
40:53
SPEAKER_00: It was during a middle of a dinner party, they were socializing, they were having fun, and Rizzio got ginged up on and he's stabbed to death and murdered in front of her.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: And she's heartbroken over that.
41:04
SPEAKER_00: That was one of her best friends.
41:06
SPEAKER_00: And her husband did that in front of her.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: He's a murderer.
41:08
SPEAKER_01: And some people think it was a conspiracy theory, being like he assumed the child wasn't his, so in a way he wanted her to miscarriage because he wanted her to have this extremely stressful situation where her body couldn't handle it and would miscarry the child.
41:23
SPEAKER_01: So some people think, like, oh, like he was just upset with this person.
41:27
SPEAKER_01: Other people think, no, he was actually trying to get her to lose the baby and like upset her that much, which probably you know, right?
41:34
SPEAKER_01: Surprised it didn't work.
41:36
SPEAKER_00: So at the same time, now Darnley is getting a lot of enemies as well.
41:41
SPEAKER_00: And remember, he's kind of a jerk, so we don't really like him that much, anyways.
41:45
SPEAKER_01: Um Yeah, and they had a very like their relationship was officially destroyed at this point.
41:50
SPEAKER_01: Like it was strained, and now it's completely.
41:53
SPEAKER_00: When you kill your best friend in front of you, you're like, okay, actually I don't like you anymore.
41:58
SPEAKER_00: That would be like Jake murdering you in front of me.
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I thought he was going to if I didn't wash my hands soon enough today.
42:05
SPEAKER_01: So, you know.
42:06
SPEAKER_01: Did you bring your own wine glass?
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Did you bring your own wine glass?
42:08
SPEAKER_01: Where's your no napkin?
42:10
SPEAKER_01: I passed the test, I will say.
42:12
SPEAKER_01: I'm still here.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: So going back to John Knox, um, who, if you remember, he was the clergyman that had a lot of power in Scotland.
42:19
SPEAKER_01: Um, he openly praised the death of Razio, and again, this was just kind of confirming his whole theory that she was an adulteress and that she was unfit to rule.
42:29
SPEAKER_01: Um, so at this point, I mean, again, there's so much going on.
42:34
SPEAKER_01: Like her marriage to her husband is gone, Knox is going after her again.
42:38
SPEAKER_01: So she gets smuggled out of Scotland by one of her friends who n whose name is James Hepburn.
42:45
SPEAKER_01: He's the fourth Earl of Bothwell.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: Um, so what she does is she essentially uh like kind of escapes for a while.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: She has her son, um, James VI.
42:56
SPEAKER_01: And uh at this point she's like feeling a little bit more secure in her power because she says, Okay, I have the son now.
43:02
SPEAKER_01: Um I could be, you know, the mother of the next ruler of Scotland.
43:06
SPEAKER_01: This secures my position a little bit more.
43:09
SPEAKER_01: At the same time, her husband, um, Henry Stewart, he escapes to France.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: But then he falls very, very ill and has to eventually come back to Scotland.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: So at this point, they are reunited because she comes back after she's smuggled out of Scotland, he comes back after escaping from France, and they attempt this small period of reconciliation where they're gonna say, Okay, let's let bygones be bygones, and you know, uh, we have this son now who was born.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: Let's just try to make this work.
43:38
SPEAKER_01: Dun dun dun dun.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: Fast forward a little bit.
43:42
SPEAKER_01: There is some good transition.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: I know.
43:44
SPEAKER_01: Do you mean like plug something in there?
43:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's really good.
43:47
SPEAKER_01: Okay, that'd be good.
43:48
SPEAKER_01: We'll practice.
43:49
SPEAKER_01: We'll practice.
43:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, so so essentially they they agree to reconcile, they go back to the house in Scotland, but there is this crazy scandal where.
44:00
SPEAKER_01: While um Bothwell, or excuse me, um, while Lord Darnley is asleep in the house, the house blows up.
44:09
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
44:09
SPEAKER_01: There's an explosion in the castle where he's at.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
44:12
SPEAKER_01: And um Mary was nowhere to be found.
44:14
SPEAKER_01: She wasn't there during this explosion.
44:16
SPEAKER_00: She's safe.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: Her new baby is safe.
44:18
SPEAKER_01: Her new baby is safe.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: She's safe.
44:19
SPEAKER_01: Um so even though they're trying to reconcile, all of a sudden she's disappeared.
44:23
SPEAKER_01: So they they're like, oh my gosh, this explosion in the house, what happened?
44:26
SPEAKER_01: But when they examined the body, they found strangulation marks on Darnley.
44:32
SPEAKER_01: So he was either strangled to death and then the house blew up, or as it was blowing up, he attempted to flee and someone found him and strangled him.
44:39
SPEAKER_01: Well, and so either way, they knew this wasn't an accident.
44:42
SPEAKER_01: The house did not just blow up.
44:44
SPEAKER_00: No, of course not.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Also, some interpretations say that he was lynched, like they found him lynched on a tree outside.
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Really?
44:52
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's why they knew this was murder.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: They knew that it wasn't just an accident, like a lamp fell, not lamp, but like a candle fell over.
44:59
SPEAKER_00: Right.
45:00
SPEAKER_00: Um, no, this was for sure murder or like assassination.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
45:05
SPEAKER_00: Someone someone is after him.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: He also had a lot of enemies.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Yes, people didn't like him.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: No.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: People didn't like their marriage.
45:11
SPEAKER_00: He was a weak king consort.
45:14
SPEAKER_01: Mary didn't like him.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: So that's not looking very good for her.
45:17
SPEAKER_01: And so people either think, okay, Bothwell, the guy who helped her escape and get out of um Scotland, was the one who just orchestrated this and did it because he wanted Mary and he said, This isn't gonna stop me and blew up the house.
45:29
SPEAKER_01: Other people believe that maybe Mary had something to do with it.
45:32
SPEAKER_01: And sh they even went so far as to say, you know what, she went back to um Darnley to reconcile the marriage just to make him feel secure and be in that house.
45:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, come back from France, you're ill, let's live together again, let's make this work.
45:47
SPEAKER_01: Holds him up in the house, pieces out, and lets the house blow up.
45:50
SPEAKER_01: So was Mary that violent?
45:52
SPEAKER_00: But this also stuck with her for the rest of her life.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: This was something she just couldn't run away from.
45:58
SPEAKER_00: And up until the end, people are pointing fingers at her and always bringing up, well, did you murder your husband?
46:04
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
46:05
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we don't know.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
46:07
SPEAKER_00: Honestly, guy had it coming.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: Like, I feel like from the stories he was just a drunk, he was a jerk, he was I mean, he murdered Rizzio in front of everybody for because he was jealous, you know, and stabs a man.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: No consequences.
46:23
SPEAKER_00: How many times did he stab him?
46:25
SPEAKER_00: It was a lot.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: It was like 50 times.
46:27
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say it was 50 something.
46:28
SPEAKER_00: It was definitely like not a, oh gosh, things got out of control, and I'm sorry, I I I, you know, cut you with my knife.
46:36
SPEAKER_00: No, it was an intentional stabbing to death.
46:40
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, I I'm looking it up right right here.
46:43
SPEAKER_00: It says his body took 57 dagger wounds.
46:47
SPEAKER_00: Like this guy had b what this guy was seeing red.
46:50
SPEAKER_00: He had blood in his eyes.
46:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
46:52
SPEAKER_00: He's also very handsome.
46:53
SPEAKER_01: I like his picture.
46:54
SPEAKER_00: And well, that's why Mary Queen of Scots was best friends with him.
46:57
SPEAKER_01: I get it.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: I'd be his best friend.
46:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a cool guy.
47:01
SPEAKER_00: Um so that's kind of the first part of Mary's life.
47:07
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
47:08
SPEAKER_00: Already extremely eventful.
47:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
47:11
SPEAKER_00: Already we're two marriages in, two two widowed times two, um, back and forth between France and Scotland, and still doesn't really have a home, sadly enough.
47:24
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
47:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, still not a lot of people on her side.
47:27
SPEAKER_01: And we'll get more into the people who really are not on her side in our part two of the episode.
47:34
SPEAKER_01: Um, but not looking so hot for Mary Queen of Scots at this point.
47:37
SPEAKER_01: But there's a lot more to talk about.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
47:39
SPEAKER_01: Hope she enjoyed those 13 years of French court because the rest isn't so exciting.
47:43
SPEAKER_00: Every single time you say French court, I'm thinking of six the musical.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: And they're like, went to the French court.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: We oui, bonjour.
47:52
SPEAKER_00: That song.
47:53
SPEAKER_00: Best song on the track.
47:54
SPEAKER_00: Love it.
47:55
SPEAKER_00: Alright, well, um, I don't know about you, but I'm ready for more.
47:59
SPEAKER_00: So I know stick with us.
48:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, I know you're gonna have to wait a little bit.
48:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're gonna have to wait your your standard two weeks to hear what happens to Mary Queen of Scots.
48:09
SPEAKER_00: Um don't want to spoil it, but it doesn't look very good at the end for her.
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SPEAKER_01: And we'll get to all those details.
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SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
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SPEAKER_01: So we'll close out Mary's story.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, we're gonna finish with our last segment of the season, which is gonna be a timeline check so you can get all of your yeah, episodes one through thirteen in order of how they happened through history.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, and then we alluded to this back in the first episode, I think.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but in the first episode, we mentioned that we had some family lineage that we've been wanting to share with our linear.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm very proud of my ancestor.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same.
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SPEAKER_00: I I'll I will give you a hint.
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SPEAKER_00: My and and I don't want people to think that we're just like pretending like this is confirmed in real life.
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SPEAKER_00: I've had historian, like our family, like back in the day in the 50s, when you would hire a family historian, confirmed this, and then Ancestry.com confirmed it, so that that means everything.
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SPEAKER_00: But I will give it a hint that one of my ancestors was executed.
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SPEAKER_00: So was one of my ancestors.
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SPEAKER_00: Mine was beheaded.
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SPEAKER_00: How about yours?
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SPEAKER_00: Also beheaded.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh weird.
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SPEAKER_00: Maybe by King Henry the Eighth.
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SPEAKER_01: Potentially by King Henry VIII.
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SPEAKER_00: Alright, well, we've been holding on to this little secret, but we will reveal our ancestry identities at the end of season one, part two of Mary Queen of Scots.
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SPEAKER_01: And this is pretty much why the podcast came to be.
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SPEAKER_01: It's literally the first conversation we had, the first brunch we ever had together.
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SPEAKER_00: We found out our our um dark history.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, our one of those our like long-lost, like the reason we came together.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Um The Fate's uh spoke to us at that brunch.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, until then, Elizabeth, any final words?
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SPEAKER_01: Not today, but plenty next time.