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Hollywood casting couch with Will and Grace Star, Megan Mullally · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: The car is beautiful. Where did you end up going
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  Speaker 1: Please. Are you going past Kimmage? Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else. Heather MacDonald
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up. Woo woo.
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  Speaker 3: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 1: Juicy Scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. As always,
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Drake, not my son, Drake, the singer I talked about
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  Speaker 1: on the last episode, how there's a rap battle thing
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  Speaker 1: going on with Kendrick Lamar and that they're dissing each
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  Speaker 1: other and saying things about each other in their different
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  Speaker 1: songs that are not flattering and accusatory. They're saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Drake is likes younger women and and things like that
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  Speaker 1: and it just it's a it goes back and forth
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  Speaker 1: and there's a lot to the songs but here's the
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  Speaker 1: latest juicy part which is scary i hope this guy
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  Speaker 1: is okay but there was a man part of his
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  Speaker 1: security team who was shot like right near his house
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  Speaker 1: they think in toronto they think this is in front
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  Speaker 1: of drake's house they think that it is that it
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  Speaker 1: was a drive-by the police that are investigating it are
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  Speaker 1: aware of the kendrick lamar rap battle thing and So
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  Speaker 1: we don't know if he's involved at all, if this
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  Speaker 1: is a crazy fan, if this is maybe they were
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  Speaker 1: actually really just trying to get the security guard. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he has a beef of his own or something, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe it was random. Maybe who, we don't know yet.
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  Speaker 1: But the guy was shot in the chest. He is
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  Speaker 1: in the hospital, and I hope that he's okay. But
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  Speaker 1: that is insane that that just happened. Update on the
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  Speaker 1: very sad and mysterious death of this pastor's wife. named
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  Speaker 1: Micah Miller. JP is the pastor, and the church has
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  Speaker 1: cut ties with him as of yet. However, the latest news,
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  Speaker 1: he said, my wife had died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 1: There was a lot of controversy, a lot of things
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  Speaker 1: about it that didn't seem right. She has shared information
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  Speaker 1: with others. There is a supposed diary slash binder of
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  Speaker 1: all the abuse that she endured by him. We also
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  Speaker 1: found out that prior to marrying her, he was married
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  Speaker 1: to a woman with five children who then he left
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  Speaker 1: her for, but he met her when she was only 14.
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  Speaker 1: So there's an element of grooming. She still was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quite religious in her videos and stuff that she shared.
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  Speaker 1: She did study, suffer from some level of mental illness.
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  Speaker 1: She did spend a time in a mental hospital. She
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  Speaker 1: did believe that he was stalking her. She did try
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  Speaker 1: to get a straining order against him. There was so
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  Speaker 1: much stuff that made the death of suicide questionable. And
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  Speaker 1: then there was stories saying, oh, the shot was from
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  Speaker 1: the back of the head. How could she kill herself? Well,
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  Speaker 1: today the news did come out from the authorities in
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  Speaker 1: this town, which is Robinson County is where this happened.
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  Speaker 1: And they are saying it was self-inflicted. But now there's
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  Speaker 1: information saying that this county is, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: alleged corruption happening there. And maybe this isn't all true.
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  Speaker 1: But Regardless, this guy is coming off really weird and awful.
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  Speaker 1: And now all of his sermons are like available online.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people have posted them because he was
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  Speaker 1: always filming them and streaming them because he's like this
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  Speaker 1: young preacher. And he had this girl that people said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: we don't. She said, oh, I'm not his girlfriend. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she's also a widow, this girl. And her name is Susie.
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  Speaker 1: Susie Skinner. And her husband has died as well. And
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  Speaker 1: he married them. JP married the two of them. And
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  Speaker 1: then he died. And now they are supposedly together. And
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  Speaker 1: the way her husband died was he was a paraplegic
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  Speaker 1: or quadriplegic. And he was in a wheelchair. And somehow
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  Speaker 1: he fell in a pool and drowned. And then JP,
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  Speaker 1: the pastor, gave the... eulogy for it and ran the service.
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  Speaker 1: And that whole thing was odd. He's like, I'm so
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  Speaker 1: excited to be here. And the video is almost like
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  Speaker 1: he's toasting him at a birthday party, not really celebrating
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  Speaker 1: his life. So it's very, very suspicious, lots of suspicious
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  Speaker 1: things about this. And this final bit of information saying, yes,
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  Speaker 1: in fact, it was a self-inflicted gunshot wound. We don't
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  Speaker 1: know if that'll make the story end or if more
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  Speaker 1: will come out about this guy in general. But That's
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  Speaker 1: where that is, so I want to give an update
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  Speaker 1: on that. Okay, and now for our very juicy interview
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  Speaker 1: with a Hollywood legend. Hello, and welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited to have a first-time guest. Multi, multi, oh
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  Speaker 1: my God, won so many SAG Awards, Emmys, Golden Globes.
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  Speaker 1: Best known from Will and Grace, but so many other things.
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  Speaker 1: Megan Mullally, welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: First but not last time on the show.
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  Speaker 1: I love your hair.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: And it's so funny because you have such a youthful, young,
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  Speaker 1: hip way about you. But when you were doing the
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  Speaker 1: show 20 years ago, it was like you were such
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  Speaker 1: an older acting late. It's weird. When I look at
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  Speaker 1: other things that you're in, I'm like... People must not
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  Speaker 1: even really recognize you that much when you're out. Because
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  Speaker 1: it was such a different look.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's funny. Like, Nick always gets recognized. Because for men, too, there's, like.
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  Speaker 1: Nowhere to run. Your husband of how many years? Remind everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Almost 25. Nick Offerman.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So he gets recognized because, you know, when you're a guy,
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  Speaker 3: it's like, that's kind of what it is.
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  Speaker 1: He has a distinct look.
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  Speaker 3: But no, I don't get recognized. But if I start talking,
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  Speaker 3: then I sometimes do.
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  Speaker 1: But I also feel like your character... From Will and
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  Speaker 1: Grace that you were Karen. Karen, what a name. But
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  Speaker 1: was your voice, did you, okay, let's talk about how
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  Speaker 1: you got the job and how you created. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: the look thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting because.
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  Speaker 1: Did you come up with that yourself in reading the
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  Speaker 1: character or what?
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  Speaker 3: No, that was more their thing. But I don't, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I don't dress like that. I've never dressed like that.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that's what I think is.
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly the way my mom dressed pretty much though.
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  Speaker 3: Like very Nancy Reagan, very Gloria Vanderbilt, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But.
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  Speaker 3: On a budget but you'd never know it and um
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  Speaker 3: I never did that and then of course the hair
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  Speaker 3: and all that is not the way it's just not
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  Speaker 3: my thing like I don't even wear makeup in real
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  Speaker 3: life and so yeah they would always say at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the season like do you want to buy
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  Speaker 3: any of the clothes I was like nope like are
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  Speaker 3: you sure all these gorgeous you know designer things I
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  Speaker 3: was like.
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  Speaker 1: No So your background was, you know, I saw that
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  Speaker 1: you were a ballerina and then got into acting. And,
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  Speaker 1: of course, you got a ton of guest roles before
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  Speaker 1: this killer role of Will and Grace. And I also
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  Speaker 1: read that you were up for Elaine in Seinfeld and
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  Speaker 1: tested for that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So what– I know what it's like to come to
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  Speaker 1: the– what testing means is it's like you and two
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  Speaker 1: other people and they do your contract and– And what's
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  Speaker 1: so heartbreaking about it is before you do the test,
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  Speaker 1: you have to do the contract. So you have these
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  Speaker 1: calls with your agents where they're like, and then in
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  Speaker 1: year five, you'll get this much. You're like, why are
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  Speaker 1: we even doing this? I might not get it. I know.
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  Speaker 1: It's horrible.
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  Speaker 3: It's really, yeah, it's torture. But it's funny because I
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  Speaker 3: actually went to college with Julia Louis-Dreyfus.
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  Speaker 1: She's so great.
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  Speaker 3: She's great. And so I still know her and everything.
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  Speaker 3: She's amazing. Yeah. Yes, I was up for that.
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  Speaker 1: And now when you said you went to college with
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  Speaker 1: her and you see people when you go on auditions,
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  Speaker 1: because I always remember this, too. And there was a
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  Speaker 1: weird part of me that I wish I wasn't like
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  Speaker 1: this back then. But I was where you're like, happy
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  Speaker 1: to see your friend, but you're not happy to see
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  Speaker 1: your friend. You know what I mean? You're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: and there's always that conversation between everybody. And one person's
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  Speaker 1: you know, what always got me crazy is the girl
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  Speaker 1: that would be reading a full book before she's about
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  Speaker 1: to go in. She's not looking at her sides. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, that must be a psych thing where it's like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even going to let this bother me. I'm
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  Speaker 1: in chapter four. I am so ready.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't that weird?
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  Speaker 1: And then there's the girls that spend the entire prep
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  Speaker 1: time catching up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're not ready at all. Yeah. I know.
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  Speaker 3: No, but, you know, I didn't see Julia there because
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  Speaker 3: I think that what happened was there were a couple
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  Speaker 3: of us that were going to test and then they
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  Speaker 3: ended up offering it to her because she had just
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  Speaker 3: done a show. Yeah. I think for this I guess
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  Speaker 3: it was that was NBC right yeah so she just
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  Speaker 3: done some other show and they were just like oh
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  Speaker 3: let's just offer it to her yeah a known quantity
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  Speaker 3: yeah now.
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  Speaker 1: How much time between that that show starting and Will
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  Speaker 1: and Grace was there don't.
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  Speaker 3: Know Will and Grace started in 1998 and I'm not
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  Speaker 3: sure what year because I think it was definitely.
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  Speaker 1: Like two like 91 92 I think it was I
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  Speaker 1: think it was definitely before.
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  Speaker 3: 92 yeah I think it was like or maybe it
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  Speaker 3: was around there yeah yeah so it was a while
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  Speaker 3: but I had done you know like a few shows
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  Speaker 3: that never went anywhere that like 13 episodes or something
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  Speaker 3: and then I had gone to New York to do
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  Speaker 3: a couple of musicals I did A Revival of Grease
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  Speaker 3: in 94. And then I did this.
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  Speaker 1: What did you play?
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  Speaker 3: I played Marty, who sings Freddie, My Love. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: So now are you. And then I did How to Succeed.
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  Speaker 3: And that was kind of a big break for me
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  Speaker 3: because it was the female lead opposite Matthew Broderick. And
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  Speaker 3: it was a good production. And then from there, I
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  Speaker 3: kind of, I would do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. From there, that kind of led to Will and Grace.
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  Speaker 1: So did you consider yourself a singer or just musical theater?
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  Speaker 1: Like what was your singing background?
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  Speaker 3: I think singing is really my best thing or it was. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was always kind of my best thing. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I should have probably moved to New York after college
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  Speaker 3: and auditioned for, you know, Broadway shows. But I was
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  Speaker 3: dating this guy. In Chicago. And he said— Wait, where
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  Speaker 3: did you go to college again? Northwestern.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then I did theater in Chicago for a few years.
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  Speaker 3: And then he said, well, let's just go to Los
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  Speaker 3: Angeles and see what that's like. And then we'll go
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  Speaker 3: to New York.
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  Speaker 1: Because he's an actor, too. He was an actor, too.
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  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 3: And then he left me in Los Angeles after two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: And so then I ended up— I got an agent right away,
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  Speaker 3: and I got all these auditions. And I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I'll just stay. And so I did.
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  Speaker 1: So when he left, you mean he broke up with
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  Speaker 1: you or he left L.A. after two weeks?
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  Speaker 3: He did not break up with me for about two years,
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  Speaker 3: during which time he refused to have sex with me.
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  Speaker 3: So finally I had to kind of, you know, take
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  Speaker 3: matters into my own hands.
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  Speaker 1: Literally? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I was doing that, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so what was the deal? Is he very true
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  Speaker 1: a lovely man today or what is going on?
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  Speaker 3: He was very close to his parents and his family.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know where he is today?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. He lives somewhere in like the Pasadena area and
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  Speaker 3: he's married. To a woman? To a woman. And I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, very happily married. He's a really nice guy.
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  Speaker 1: He really is.
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  Speaker 3: But that particular, that might not have been his finest moment.
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  Speaker 1: But now, then when you, you know, become a household
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  Speaker 1: name and everything, did you ever hear from him? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think he was, like, watching your episodes with his?
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  Speaker 3: I talked to him. We got back in touch maybe
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  Speaker 3: about five years ago. And his wife actually came to
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  Speaker 3: see me and something. And we started talking. And then
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  Speaker 3: I started texting with him. And then we did talk
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  Speaker 3: on the phone once.
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  Speaker 1: So the wife, like, came to your show and you
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  Speaker 1: gave her, like, green room pass to say hello?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And she was really great.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, so you were like, fine. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She was really nice. I mean, it's been like 157 years.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to get in touch with my old boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: You did? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: From how long ago?
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  Speaker 1: You know what's so weird about it now?
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I have two boys and they're 21 and 18.
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  Speaker 1: And I know that you guys don't have kids. And
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  Speaker 1: I think that is so wonderful that that is becoming...
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  Speaker 1: A normal thing always should have been normal. One of
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  Speaker 1: the nicest things someone said to me is that my
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  Speaker 1: friend who got married since got divorced, but she always
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm childless by choice. I just don't see
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  Speaker 1: it in my future. And I'm like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: that's so great, whatever. And one day she goes, do
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  Speaker 1: you know you're like the only person that didn't challenge
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  Speaker 1: me on it? And I'm like, probably because I have them.
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  Speaker 1: Like probably because I realized like if you're not dying
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  Speaker 1: to have them, then you shouldn't have them and you
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  Speaker 1: can have such a full, fabulous life and such a
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  Speaker 1: life of non-worry because I was thinking– So just earlier today,
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  Speaker 1: my son, he's so responsible and so great. And he
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  Speaker 1: was not answering his phone. And he helps cut some
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  Speaker 1: clips and stuff for me for social media. And he's
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona. He's supposed to come out tomorrow because he
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  Speaker 1: just finished his third year of ASU. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: after one hour, I was kind of like, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 1: like this is it. He's gone.
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  Speaker 3: He's died.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, then you go to these things and
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  Speaker 1: I just go. And so then my other son, who's 18,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, do you have... I didn't realize I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have the location because my husband has it. So I
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  Speaker 1: just always ask and he'll go, oh, Drake's an hour away, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I never did that on my phone. And I
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  Speaker 1: kind of don't want to do it because I think
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  Speaker 1: it can make some moms crazy. But I'm like, Brandon,
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  Speaker 1: I just want you to know that like you better
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  Speaker 1: always have your phone charged. And if I ask, if
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  Speaker 1: I call you, it's a proof of life. You just
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  Speaker 1: have to say I'm in class or whatever. Just you
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  Speaker 1: don't have to call me back that day. It's because
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  Speaker 1: I'm having a weird feeling that. Anyway, he was asleep,
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  Speaker 1: but his phone died. It was not a big deal,
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  Speaker 1: but like, ugh.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I know. I'm kind of like that with Nick.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit, too, though. You get nervous about him.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do, yeah. Well, everyone has some people in their life.
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  Speaker 1: And because of the phone, before the phone... I know.
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  Speaker 1: You wouldn't hear from someone for a day, and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: they just have to get back to their answering machine.
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  Speaker 1: But because there's a phone now, you don't hear back
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  Speaker 1: from someone for 15 minutes, and you're like, well, they're dead,
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  Speaker 1: and what will I wear to the funeral?
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  Speaker 3: It's so true.
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  Speaker 1: It's just like the worst. It's so true.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
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  Speaker 4: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
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  Speaker 4: have faced tremendous setbacks. and yet somehow have found a
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  Speaker 4: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
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  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 16:05
  Speaker 5: what would you do if it was given back?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work debt.
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: I need a home debt.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: What happens next?
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: happens next.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: every day was.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: You're worth the work.
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: But you know what you said about not having kids?
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's really true. I used to say that
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: it was the last taboo to not have children because
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: nobody does it. Nobody did it, certainly from my generation.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: And now, like you said, it's getting more and more common.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: But I was just saying to somebody yesterday how so
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: many of my friends are so– Like they love their kids.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: And I'm talking about really good mothers and the whole
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: thing who just be like, oh, you know, they just
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: and their kids are like grown or almost grown. And
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, God, you're so lucky you didn't do it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: So it is interesting.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think everybody it all works out the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: way it's supposed to work out. But I always say
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: it's the worry. Like when someone goes, will I regret
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: it if I don't have children? So like I've sometimes
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: feel girls come up to me like, I don't know
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: if I have that urge and You know, and I say, hey, listen,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're happy and you want to go
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: off birth control and it happens, then great. But also
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: you're in that great place that if it doesn't happen,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: you're not going to go to the umpth degree and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: be heartbroken and all that because you don't care that much.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: So just like kind of put it out there. And
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't work out, then how great for you
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: if you know what I mean? Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: And I think also if you're in a place financially
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: where you can't afford to do all that, to, you know,
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: have your own life and feel like you're able to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: be creative and stuff, then that could make you a
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: lot more resentful. I did read a study years ago,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: this is probably 10 years ago, that's like some crazy statistic,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: like 78% of women who had kids said they wish
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: they hadn't had them.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: And I sound like I'm anti having children.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just kind of to your point saying like, I
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: just never had an organic you know, burning desire to
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: have children.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's really interesting. And it's what people don't
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: talk about because it's like, I had a, such a
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: burning desire and like knew that I was like, I
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: remember one time I was like, I was like 26
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: or 27 and I wasn't in a relationship. And I
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: was like, well, even if I'm, cause I used to
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: come home and like turn on the TV and whatever,
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: watch like an old rerun of Jerry's, you know, Jerry Springer.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, even if I'm by myself,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to have, I'm going to be a mom.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Like I just was like, I will have, I just,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: from the moment I was little, it was like baby dolls.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Like I was very into wanting that experience. So for me,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I would have made it happen. And then for other
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: people that struggle with it, my sister was struggling with
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: fertility and she had a friend who had no desire
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to have kids. And I said, does it make you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: envious of her? And she goes, yes, you know, because
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: she's very happy in her marriage and it's nothing that
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: either of them wanted. And she never had to go
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: through the journey of wanting it and not being successful
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: at it or whatever. You know, it's just but no,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I think it's it's so interesting. and so great that,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: you know, people need to really tap into what they
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: want in life.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: My mom wanted to have literally 10 children. Like she
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: would have been happy having 10 children.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: How many did she have?
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Just me.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: And she, she couldn't get pregnant.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: She had a lot of miscarriages. She, so she couldn't
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: get pregnant for many, many years. And then she had
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: me and then she had a, A lot of miscarriages.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: But, you know, then I got the fall.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: So did she ever give you any pressure to have kids?
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Well, I think she would have been thrilled if I
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: had a child. But, you know, the other thing is
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: I never– you know, I was 41 when I met Nick.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Right. And he's a little younger than.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: You, right?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: He's more than a little younger. He's almost 12 years younger.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Hot.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And– the cast of Will and Grace was on Oprah
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: once and she said, he's younger. And I said, yeah,
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: 11 and a half. She goes 11 and a half.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: So now I say 12. I was really like humiliated,
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: publicly humiliated by Oprah. Um, so anyway, yes. So I,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: I was a little, it was a little late in
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: the day for me to have kids. Although I have
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: to say we did try, uh, kind of the old
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: fashioned way for You know, like a year or so,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: but it just wasn't meant to be. You know, we
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: both have been so busy and everything that I think Nick,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: who probably, if he'd met and married somebody else, would
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: have had kids, you know? He was never, like, I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: think he, it went that far. Like, but he wasn't, like,
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: absolutely drunk. dead set on having children. And so he
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: has never been like traumatized about not having children either.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: I think, and I think this is something that not
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people say either. I think most guys wouldn't,
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's really rare that that's the thing that
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: makes the guy say no to a woman. Like leaves
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: her while they're married or, oh, we got this close
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and found out you didn't want to have kids. I'm out.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Most guys, because they're not the ones carrying it or whatever.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: They can be a great father. It's just a different
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: thing where a woman, if she really wants to have
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a child and a guy is like, absolutely not. Either
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: she's like, well, I'll change him, which is a horrible idea. Yeah.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Or she is like, well, then goodbye, because I really
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: want to have that kid. Or sometimes when a woman
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: marries an older guy and they're like the second wife,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, I don't want him. And then they
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: have And then they make sure, well, you better give
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: me one or I'm leaving. And then the guy's like, God,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't know I was going to have a baby
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: at 53, you know? Well, you know, so it's like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: good that everyone's like kind of on the same page
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and then there's enough there that whatever happens. But the
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: whole reason I got on this was not to talk
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: about all this, but I was going to say, so
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: looking now that my boys are older, it's such a
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: weird perspective to understand like when you're in high school
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: and you're a girl and you're like a boy or
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: post-college or whatever, like, oh, I wonder what they're thinking
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and dah, dah, dah. And now that I have the boys,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, when I tried to find this old boyfriend
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of mine and he was like, oh, hey, how are you?
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: And I wanted to talk to him more because I
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: just wanted to know what was going on in his life.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And he was like, I don't know why you're trying
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to get a hold of me. Like, we dated when
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: you were 30 years ago. Like, he was a little
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: bit rude. But he wasn't rude. He was right. Like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: I broke his heart.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, you broke his heart.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I broke his heart. And then I was like, hey,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's me again. Like, and I'm married. And I have
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: no intention of, like. fucking you I just kind of
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: wanted to like figure out what you were like I
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: was just curious because you weren't anywhere on social media
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: we found I had someone do some research he wasn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: married and I was just kind of like oh my
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: god we did have such a fun time I just
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: didn't want a serious boyfriend at that time but I
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: also like completely broke your heart and now that I
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: have boys that age if some girl did that to
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: them I would be like fuck that bitch like it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: so weird What's so weird when you start raising boys,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: because for your whole life as a girl, you're like,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: you know, your girls are like, kick him to the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: curb and fuck him. And then when you have them.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: You're like, what did that bitch.
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Say to you?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: It's like a completely different thing. And I'm like, of
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: course he didn't want it. Why would he want to
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: deal with me? And I'm a comedian. He's like, I
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: don't need you to fucking put me in your act
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: or something. I get that. You know, it's like. Right.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So getting back to Will and Grace. So Will and
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Grace was such a great script. And I can't remember
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: if I heard this on a talk show or if
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I was told in person. But the story that I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: heard of how the show came about was whoever was
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the creators of it were pitching a show about– let
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: me think. It was like– yeah. They were pitching a
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: show about like a couple– That then had a best
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: friend couple that was a gay guy and a girl.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And then that said, that's the show we'd rather have
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: is the couple that's the gay guy and the girl,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: not these other people.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: It was this guy, Warren Littlefield, who ran NBC back
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: in the day. And he was great. And he was
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the one who said that. And everybody bridled against it.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Everybody else said, no, no, you can't do that. You
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: can't have gay people, you know.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: I know, but it seems so crazy now, but it
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was so groundbreaking.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the first, I mean, so Ellen had
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: come out, her character had come out on her show.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Several seasons in, yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and immediately got canceled, right? And so then, but
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: she really did set the stage.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You know? And then the only other gay character I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: could think of was there was a show called Soap
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: way back.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Billy Crystal's character was gay, but that was a big
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: ensemble and he was just one of the characters. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that's all I can really think of.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, there was this other show that my
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: mom loved, which was the original reality show. And they
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: actually did a like.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, is it called like American Family? Yes.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: And they were like this family in like, you know,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Santa Barbara.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And they brought in the cameras and it was PBS.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: And in it, like one of the I think one
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: of the boys came out and then but it was
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: real life. And then the guy was having was cheating.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: And then they did like a movie about it recently,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: maybe in the last 10 years. And so that was
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: just so like, oh, my God, you know, like such
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: a big deal. And but no, I remember the Billy
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Crystal character in Soap. Yeah. Why did they call that
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: show Soap? It wasn't a soap opera.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I can't remember.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's interesting. So, okay. So then did you, okay.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So let's talk about the auditioning process. So did you
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: get the script before and just prepare like you would
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: any audition or?
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: So I auditioned for Grace originally.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: And they were like, no. And then I forgot all
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: about it. And, you know, weeks went by. And I
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: get this call, like, they want you to come in
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: for this pilot, Will and Grace. I was like, I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: went in. And they said, oh, it's for this other part.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: And I was like, what other part? I didn't even
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: remember it. So they sent it to me, and I
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: was like, I don't like this part.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go in. Why didn't you like her?
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Well, it was totally different. It was not written the
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: way it evolved into the thing that we remember as
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the character of Karen. But the character of Karen... was
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I thought very much like Christine Baranski's. She was the
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: sidekick to somebody on Sybil, maybe. Yeah.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: And it was very much like just this rich sidekick,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: best friend who had like a zinger here and there.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: But just did a lot of shopping and more a
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: lot of, which, you know, Karen did all of those
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: things too, but there wasn't anything very different. And I
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: was like, I feel like Christine Maransky already did that recently.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: And they were like, well, just go in. And so
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I went in and then they were like, well, they
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: want to test you at the network tomorrow and you're
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: the only person. And I was like, so then the
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: next day, it was tomorrow. And It was an hour
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: before the test. And I was in my pajamas eating
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: a plate of eggs. And my agent called.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: She was like, are you going?
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Wait, why did you feel like you didn't want it?
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Because I didn't.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: That's so interesting.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like I could bring anything to it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: You know, anything different.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: So when you went and auditioned the first time as
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: the character of Karen, you didn't dress like this? I
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: didn't have.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Any fancy clothes.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So I wore.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: A vintage, I wore a skirt that I had cut
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: off with a pair of scissors below the knee, black tights,
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: big platform shoes, and some kind of shirt and a
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: vintage leopard print, like really kind of bad, like coat,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: you know, jacket, coat.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, I didn't have anything else that looked
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: kind of fancy, but No, I really just thought like
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I was kind of over pilots at that point because
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: like I said, I was 41 and I had done
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: a pilot like every year or a show that didn't
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: go past seven episodes or 13 episodes. And I was
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: kind of over it. And I think I was just like,
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: if this isn't going to be funny or good, then
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: what is the, you know, what's the point? Like get
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: somebody who really like is dying to play this part.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: And so then I decided, you know, I obviously then
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: did decide to like get up and change out of
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: my pajamas and go over there and do it. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: even the pilot, I was like, kind of, I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: it was fun. and I Sean Hayes and I didn't
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: have any scenes together but we like really hit it
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: off off camera so that part was really fun but
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: then I was kind of in the scenes like in
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: the actual playing of the scenes I was slightly miserable
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: because I knew that it wasn't really that funny. And
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I couldn't like, you can't make it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: Something that's not and I wanted to be like, really
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: funny and really different. And the other characters were really funny.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, you know, I'm the I'm the
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: least funny. So then over the course of You know,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: then it got picked up.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And then how did you feel when you got picked up?
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Were you like, eh? Or were you like, okay, great,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: this will go for 13 episodes and then it'll get
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: canceled and I got this check and who cares?
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Well, no, you know, something really funny happened. This guy,
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: I can't remember his name now, but he was a
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: guy who was like, I don't think he was working
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: at the network, but he was like a really rich
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: guy who was like a friend of somebody who was
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: like running the network or something. And he came to
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: the set one day when we were shooting the pilot
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and He basically told us he gave his gold lighter
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: to Deborah Messing, who was trying to light a cigarette.
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: And he handed it to her. And she tried to
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: hand it back. And he was like, keep it. And
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: she was like, what? It was a Cartier lighter. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: she was like, I can't keep it. And he was like, oh,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: you can keep it. This show's going to be around
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: for a long time. And then when the show got
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: picked up, he sent us all Cartier lighters.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Anyway, so then we thought— And he was just, what,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: someone's friend?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: We thought he must know. Well, he was a friend
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: of somebody who was, like, running the network.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: So we thought, oh, he must know what he's talking about.
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: Or maybe he did work at the network, but he
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: was also, like, a really rich guy on his own, right? Yeah.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And so then we— it did get picked up. And as
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: it was kind of going along, I sort of started
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: just instinctively— because I'm not a very— I' m more of an instinctual—
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: actor than a... I don't know. I'm not as analytical
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: about that kind of stuff. Or it's a little bit
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: of both. And I started... Kind of my voice started
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: getting higher and higher. And it's pretty high to begin with,
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: but it started getting even higher. And then it was
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: about the 10th episode. And I feel like it wasn't...
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: I feel like Michael Patrick King, who did Sex and
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: the City, he went on to do Sex and the City.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: He had done a lot of stuff before that, but he...
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: was a writer on Will and Grace briefly, maybe for
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: the first 10 or 12 episodes. And he had written
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: this episode and it took place at the Ice Capades.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And this was when I really remember the character like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: coming into being. I had brought in a lot of
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: things like saying honey and just all the physical stuff
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and everything. And then we're sitting there at the Ice
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Capades and it's just, you know, the audience for the
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: whole time and Karen sitting there. And of course, Karen
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: And the ice capades do not mix. And they had
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: sat this woman next to me, this atmosphere person, who
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: was not.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Like an extra, you mean? Yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: A great beauty.
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: Shall we say. And she was not, you know, thin.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: And she was, you know, aesthetically not Karen's thing.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Karen's type, yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: And so I just remember that episode, like, I had
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: all these sort of unwritten things with her where I
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: was just, or, you know, kind of improvised where I
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: was like, honey, you look so pretty. Like I was
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: giving her compliments, even though you knew that it was
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: really costing Karen to like be in this close of
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: proximity to somebody who wasn't. So yeah, that's when I
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: remember it really like coming together for me.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: That is so fun because like with all the stuff
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that you guys would do. Now, how many seasons was it?
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: It was eight seasons, and then we did a reboot
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that was three, but we did 246 episodes, and Jim
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: Burrows directed every episode.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: So then was it always kind of like– then it
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: becomes sort of just such a school type of thing where, okay,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: this is when we come back, right? Like, oh, we're
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: starting– this is when we take the promo photos. This
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: is when we come back. This is when the premiere
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: date is. This is when we go to upfronts. And
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: it must have been feeling like such a fun– um,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: like routine of your life? Was it so strange when
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it ended?
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, it was, you know, I think as a, as
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: you know, working in the arts, it's so rare to
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: have a job that goes for eight years. Like if
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: you're an accountant, that's a drop in the bucket.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Um, but to have an, a job for a long
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: period of time is, is so, so rare and it
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: was great. And, It was, you know, like a 20-minute
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: commute right over the hill and all of that stuff
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: was so great. And yes, when it ended, it was
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: very traumatic. Like, we all cried a lot and, you know.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And why did it end?
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Well, it shouldn't have ended. It should have gone for
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: at least, I think it should have gone for two
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: or three more seasons. Mm-hmm. I think they just thought, oh,
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: you know how it is, the networks. They just think, well,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: there'll be like a billion more of these.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: We don't need to keep paying these people a lot
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: of money because there'll be so many more. And, of course,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: there weren't any others.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: And it's so interesting during that time of just the
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: height of sitcoms where it was your show, Friends, Seinfeld.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: And then that's what I was auditioning for stuff and
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: never getting it. And there were so many copycat shows there.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Where you just know they got the writing orders to
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: do another Will and Grace. Yeah. Do a Friends.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: How about Friends in San Francisco? How about Friends in Alaska?
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: So many Friends.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: How about Friends ripoffs? Yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: And they were never funny. No. That's the problem is
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: they just weren't funny. Right. None of them were funny.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: And they, you know, now this sitcom is just kind
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: of dead. I mean, there are maybe one or two that,
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: you know, people watch. But hardly any multicam shows. That's
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: kind of. But, you know, I think they just thought, oh,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: there'll be so many more and this will just go
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: on forever and ever. But they should have they should
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: have tried to they should have beat the horse till
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: it was dead. You know, they should have really run
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: it into the ground until people were like, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: bashing their television sets in with the baseball bat.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So sick of it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: You know, I think that's what they should have done.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I can't remember what happened towards the end. She got married. Right.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: We never see her husband again. Don't we never see
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: your husband? Isn't that one of the things?
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: You never see him. You saw like a few body parts.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Like you saw his foot one time and you saw
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: like a really hairy arm.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: You saw his shadow and the shadow was like gigantic.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: It was so great because you're just, you know, this
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: little like gold digger that puts up with it. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: love that we never saw the husband. I thought that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: was like a great move. And then wasn't it that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Grace did get married or was going to get married?
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: She married Harry King. Connick Jr. 's character and then
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: they split up and then I think Will married somebody
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: and then they split up and then at the end
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: there were like dream sequence there was a dream sequence
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: but we all it kind of cut to us all
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: 20 years later the finale and everybody looks older except
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Karen looks exactly the same because she's got so much
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: work done that was funny But I feel like I
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: was so lucky on that show to have all these.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: You know, so, I mean, I had Sean Hayes, who's
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: one of the great comedic actors ever. But then I
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: also did a whole season with Alec Baldwin, who is
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: one of the great comedic actors ever. And Leslie Jordan.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Who played Beverly Leslie. And, you know, he and I
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: had a very special working relationship. I also did... a
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: whole season with John Cleese that was like, it was
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: the sixth season. And I was basically in my own
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: world where my character gets married to John Cleese or
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: almost gets married to John Cleese. And my daughter-in-law is
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: Minnie Driver. And the three of us had, I barely
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: even saw the other cast members that year. It was
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: so fun though.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Did you ever think that they would ever do like
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: a spinoff or something?
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: Well, no.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, none of that. But, I mean,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: that would have been great. But, you know, they did.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: They had talked about spinning. I think they wanted to
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: spin off Jack and Karen. But then I don't think
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Sean wanted to do it for some reason. But then
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: they were going to spin off my character. Then they
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: spun off Joey from Friends. And that did not go well.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: And I think then they got cold feet.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yes. Okay. Let's talk about, like, awards show. Now, you
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: would go to so many awards shows. How many?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: One?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You've been nominated for like how many Emmys? Eight or something?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I won twice.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: But I was nominated maybe six times. I wasn't nominated
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: for the first two seasons, so six.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: When did you get nominated? And you've also won SAG.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: No, I was seven because I got nominated during the reboot, too.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you've been nominated a bunch of times. You've won.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: You've gotten to go up and give your speeches. Yes.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Also for SAG, also for Golden Globes.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I won four SAG awards.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Now, how do you come up with your speeches and
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: how do they change for each thing? The first time
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you were nominated, was that a more unique speech? Because
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: it's the first time and it may never come again.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: You know, I always had this thing where I didn't,
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: as of you, I didn't like it when people think
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: they're agents and managers and lawyers and stuff.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. That is so boring.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: So I never did that.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: But you're right. That's not good. It's actually not good content.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I think my agent and manager weren't very excited about that.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: But I just thought, like, what are we doing?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I get it because— Yeah, like, why does a person
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: in Oklahoma care about my lawyer? Yeah, you're right. They'd
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: rather hear a more intimate story of how.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: You got there. So I always thought, like, try to
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: say something that is— has— that' s more inspirational that will— so that whoever's
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: watching can apply it to their own lives. That's like
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: a general things, not about being an actress, but just
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: about being, like, a human being. Although I will say
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: I did break that rule once, which was the last
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: time I won an Emmy. It was for the last
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: season of Will and Grace. I thanked some of the
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: crew because I thought they never get anything. And then
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: they started playing me off, you know. Yeah. Because that
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: was boring. But yeah, that was the only time I
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: got played off. But yeah, so I tried to think
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: of things that were sort of could apply to anybody.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: And so do you remember some of the things that
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: you said that you liked?
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I think I remember my first Emmy speech more, which
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: was just saying like, you know, kind of like to
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: boil it down to its essence, like dreams can come
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: true or just, you know, keep the faith and persevere.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: You know, you never know what's right around the corner.
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: And then how do you decide what to wear each time? Oh, God.
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: You know, I could never get clothes sent to me.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: I never got a dress.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Are you kidding? No, listen to this.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: When I hosted the SAG Awards, which was about five
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: years ago, I hosted it. So you know I'm going
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: to be on camera. Could not get one dress from
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: one designer.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So you have to get a stylist to like go
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to Neiman's and pick out dresses like a regular person?
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Or I have to go online. I bought all my dresses.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I had three or four dresses for the SAG Awards.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: I had bought them all online from like Saks or something.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Well, do they cover those? No. Wait, do you get
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: paid to do it?
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: No.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: No.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: You don't get paid to host a thing?
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: To do the sag? I don't think, I don't know
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: how much you get paid. They cover your hair and makeup.
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: I don't think you really get paid.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: I think they pay for like, so I had one writer,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: so he and I wrote all the jokes.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I think they paid my writer.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, I could never get, the first Emmy,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: I did get a dress that, this is a good story. So,
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Donna Karan, they were like, Donna Karan wants to make
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: you a dress. And they sent me a sketch, and
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: I was.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Like, great.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, I was so starstruck. I would have worn
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: like a pickle barrel if they'd said that it was
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: from Donna Karan, even though I couldn't care less about
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Donna Karan. I barely knew who it was. And so
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I wore this dress, and it didn't fit very well,
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: and my right boob was threatening to fall out for
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: the entire night. And I remember I saw Bill Maher backstage.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: He goes, you look great. And I said, I look
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: like an old hooker on her last good night out. Like,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: I just didn't look that good.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Did he laugh?
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he did.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Now, okay, you're telling a story and I, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I understand it and I've heard stuff like this from
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: like 20 years ago or even 15 where, you know,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, I remember watching Rachel Zoe as
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: a stylist and I was like, how do people get
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: their dresses? And I remember this one girl was friends
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: with this girl who was, this is like 15 years ago,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: was dating Ryan Seacrest. And you know, he would say,
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: come with me to all these things. But according to
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: this story, people, Ryan, he was not helping her with
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: her budget to get all these dresses. And she wasn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: on a level to get anything for free. And now,
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: you know, there's for the regular people, there's rent the runway.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of, you know.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: Things like that.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: But But it's like, who are all these people that
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: are just like, oh, my God, we'll help you put
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: this whole look together. I mean, I don't really like
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I think people think that that is the case because
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: they see it like on the Kardashians and Kim has that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people that are in
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: this game do not have access to that stuff.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, I had stylists over the years. I
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: don't do it anymore anymore. I had stylists over the years,
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: and you have to pay the stylist a shitload of money,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: first of all.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: Like how much do you think?
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: So much.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So like you'd get a stylist if you had an
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: awards ceremony. So if you had an awards season back
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: in the day where you are going to like the
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Spirit Award, you're going to like 10 things, then you
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: probably need to hire someone, and then they get all
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: the dresses, and then could they get them for free
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: or no? No, not for me.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: They couldn't get them for me. And these are big stylists.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: We're big stylists. And the designers would just be like, sorry.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: And so sometimes I would use this woman, Lori Eskowitz,
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: who did the costumes for Will and Grace.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: She was great.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: So sometimes she would help me. But then I'd pay
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: her separately, you know, as a stylist for an award show.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: But the thing about stylists is not the one from
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Will and Grace. She was lovely. But a lot of
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: the people I hired over the years were Not only
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: do you have to pay them a lot of money,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: but they're all crazy. And they come with their own baggage.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Like they come blowing in, like absolutely spinning out and
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: like flipping out and have with all a lot of.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: You know, just.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Some problems. So I thought, God. And then the other
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: thing is I didn't ever feel comfortable. I always felt like,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: let me just kind of do my own because I
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: know at least then I'm going to feel. I didn't
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: do that. during Will and Grace. I did it later.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But at least I'm going to feel comfortable. Like for
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: a talk show or something, I'd rather just pick it
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: out myself because I'm going to feel better.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel that way about hair and makeup. And
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I do, the few times I've gotten that, you know,
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: of course I would do it when I was on
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: Chelsea Lately and I had a great relationship with that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: girl and stuff. But then It just took like one
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: time to go with a bare face and hate what
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: they did. To now, I always do my own hair
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: and makeup, but then I'll be like, zhuzh me up,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: contour it a little bit more, tease the hair a
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: little more, whatever. Because I'm like, that will stress me
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: out before an appearance. And then if I don't like it,
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: then I'm thinking about the makeup artist point of view.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And then I'm thinking about the makeup artist doing a
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: TikTok about how I was a bitch doing the makeup,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: which is now so like every day there's a story
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: about some stylist, makeup artist, hairdresser saying, This person didn't
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: pay me. This person didn't tip me. This person.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Do they name the people?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Or they're like they didn't or they said
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: they were going to tag me and they didn't. And
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, God, I mean, I just want to
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: thank God I could do my own stuff because I'm like,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: that's horrible. It really is. And people are just dying
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: for the bad stories about people. They're just dying for them.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So like you could have met one person one time.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: And then it's like, well, good luck to anyone else
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: hiring you. But at the same time.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: It is better to do your own because then also.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: And you are stressed too. So you're not going to
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: be a delight getting ready before a major event. You're
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: going to be nervous. You're not going to be thinking
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: about the feelings of the girl that's teasing your hair.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: And you never have as much time as you think
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: you have. So you're always rushed.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And then what happens with me if I don't, if
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: it doesn't, if I feel like. my hair or my
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: makeup or both don't look right, then I go upstairs
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: and I try to fix it.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yes, I've done that too. And then their feelings are hurt.
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, God. I know. It is so traumatic.
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I know it sounds like high class problems, but it
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: is stressful. It's not as fun as you think.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: I remember as a young girl, I'd be like, you know, oh,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: if I could be a model, you know, I didn't,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I didn't, I thought about comedy and things like that.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I always thought about being an actress and I always
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: loved watching the award show. But like when you'd watch
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: like someone like with the fan flowing like a Brooke
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Shields and I was like, oh, to do a photo
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: shoot and have people do my hair and makeup. And
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: like the first time I did that for like to
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: get headshots, I was like, oh my God, this is
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: so much more tiresome, more stressful, and more like, so
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: not as fun as you think it is.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: There's nothing worse. I mean, I don't have a princess complex. Like,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't like to get dressed up. I don't have
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: any dressy clothes. I have nothing. Like, if I had
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: to go to something nice tomorrow, I couldn't go because
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: I don't have anything. And I don't like to get
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: dressed up. And so I find it all very stressful.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: And photo shoots. Oh, my God. When we started Will
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: & Grace, like, Debra Messing had done so many more shows.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: And she had had so much. And Eric. They had
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: had so much more experience doing interviews and photo shoots.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: And they were both really good at it and very
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: photogenic too, extremely. And so, you know, they knew all
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: the things and they were so comfortable. And I was
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: an absolute basket case and so was Sean. And I
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: remember we had– this is going to sound– Donnie and
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: Marie Osmond used to have a daytime talk show.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, I was on it, yes.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: And early on, we had an interview on set, all
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: four of us.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, I was just on hers. She had one
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: later on just by herself.
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: Oh, Marie.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but okay, Donnie Marie.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: And so Donnie came, and he was interviewing us, and
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: we were on the set of Will and Grace and
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: we got done and I absolutely like I I walked
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: off and I burst into tears I was so stressed
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: out and I thought oh everything I just said was
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: so stupid not that they cared about me they were
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: more interested in the people that they yeah you know
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: knew about and um oh it was so stressful I
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: just and I couldn't get the hang of it, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: I felt like it was so fake, and it is.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: And I felt like photo shoots are so fake, and
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: they are.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know?
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: And so that's what's really hard about it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: You have to know how to, like, flip into that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: And have fun with it and everything. Okay, well, since
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: we're talking about that really quick, I want to jump
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to the Met Ball. Oh, yeah. This girl.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: I might put my glasses on.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: How do you pronounce her name? Anokai.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Anokai.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: What is she in?
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: I think she was the most beautiful of the night.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, that looks unbelievable.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: She wore a– this was a jumpsuit.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: What was the theme exactly? Sleeping beauty.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: The theme was a good theme as far as pretty
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: dresses because it was sleeping beauty in the garden of whatever.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: So anything that looked, you know– like garden-y, like princess-y, flower-y,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: like really worked well. So there were a lot. You
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: know how some years it's just like all weird stuff?
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: This was probably the most normal-looking, pretty, flattering stuff.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: I usually don't like it, and I liked it this year.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: I thought everybody looked really cool. Yeah. Yeah, I thought
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: it was cool this year. Some of the makeup, too,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: was just incredible.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: And I think, though, this is what I always think about.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: And then I think about this before a war show too.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: So maybe like whenever I watch him, cause I don't
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: go to them where, I mean, I've gone to like
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: a red carpet, but it's never me, you know, and
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: my car is being held back. And I've never in that,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: never been in that situation. Right. And there's just such a,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: so many questions I have, especially this, like, So you
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: have all these people that put you in this outfit
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: and do your makeup. So each person has like eight people.
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: Then they have to get in this van and some
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: of them have these big dresses. They have to like
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: stand up in the van. Then that takes them to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the Met thing. And then they take the photos and stuff.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And then what? Then after the photos, before they sit
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: down for their chicken breast, then does the group come
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: and then change them again and then take that big
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: dress out? Like all of that logistic stuff, I can't.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: How can you even get certain dresses into?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You can't sit down in some of them. So that's
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: why they have a couple different outfits. But then where
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: do they go to change that? Are they just going
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: to the average bathroom inside?
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: No, they must have rooms for people to change. Like
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: I noticed that. Zendaya.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: She had two.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Two or three. She had three outfits. Oh, really?
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: She looked great. I love her. I think she's cool.
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: She looked great. And then, but did you see Cardi B?
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Like, how do you get that into a car?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: So that outfit, then she changed and she had just
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: like a cute red dress on. Let me see if
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I have her. I don't know if I do. Oh,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: here she is. So then when they went to the
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: after party- She just showed up in like a normal
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: red dress.
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: But like, yes. But, you know, I guess if you're
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: going to do this thing, I feel like did this
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: really I feel like this wasn't a big deal like
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: 15 years ago. The Met Gala. I feel like it's
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: been exploded. No, I know.
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: I don't even remember it until about. Maybe 10 years ago.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I do feel like the Kardashians kind of made everybody, like,
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: want to do it. Everyone's like, why are they here?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're the only reason that anyone cares. So, like,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: if you don't want them to come around anymore, fine. But, like, nobody...
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: This has been going on for a long time and
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: nobody really talked about it. I think really just rich
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: people went and gave their money. And then it became
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: this whole thing that designers, like, bought tables and... Okay,
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: so then we have Kim. And she... put out her
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: own photos on her own Instagram before she walked on
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: the red carpet.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, look at her waist. Oh, God.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: So, okay, the waist is really disturbing. Oh, no.
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: That doesn't look good. That's scary.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: It's creepy. It's so creepy. And if you zoom in.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: But that's surgery. That's not.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: When you zoom in, it's like red underneath. It's so
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: tight and painful. And that's what people were saying. So
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: in this photo.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: So this is real life. This is other people's photos.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: So she didn't doctor her photo.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: No, this is the photo from.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: So that's when you take some ribs out, I think.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: Because I don't think it could be like that.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. But it said Kim Kardashian.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: This is just a comment.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, but she wore those trainers too, right? Yeah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: That traitor stuff is gone. Nobody talks about those traitors anymore.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That used to be a thing. It doesn't do that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: So Kim Kardashian, once again, showing, showing up at a
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: look that does nothing but showcase how artificially small she
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: can make her waist. It, it honestly was disturbing. Like
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, she was the first person to do,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: she put the Ozempic on the map. They won't say
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: they did it, but she did that to get into
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: the um, Marilyn Monroe one two years ago. Right. How
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: do you lose 14 pounds in a week or two
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: weeks or whatever? But then this is like, I don't know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: It like pains me.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Also that dress. I just saw a picture from the
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: front and I was like, I don't, that wasn't my Okay,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: waist aside.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: No, and then it's sheer. It's all the way sheer
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: with the sheer butt. I'm so sick of the sheer look.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Me too. I'm so over it. But I also felt
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: like it wasn't my favorite look. Just Kim Kardashian herself
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: and her waist aside.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: Just the dress itself, I thought there were so many
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: other ones that were way, way better.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: And then everyone's like, what's with this weird sweater? And
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: she said, the sweater was part of the theme. Like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: I'm in a garden and it's my boyfriend's gray sweater
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and I put it on.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: What?
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: That was her backstory for this outfit.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: Sleeping Beauty's boyfriend has a gray sweater?
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Sure. Then this is Amrata Emily. Look at her boobs.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: And so then she wore a whole sheer thing. What's
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: her name? This is Emily Ratajkowski, whatever. And she's very pretty.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: And she's always, I don't know. She's just, and then
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the whole nude thing.
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's, I feel like that. I feel like
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: that was good for about like six or seven years ago.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: That was good for a minute when I was like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: I can't believe I can see everything. But now it's like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: put it back on.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Now I feel like you stand out if you.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: If you don't do it.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: If you don't do it and you like are not
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: showing your nips and your butt crack.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: She has crazy, amazing boobs.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Her boobs and her ass are amazing.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: And I get it. You're like, why not? Because otherwise
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I don't have that much going on. And I still
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: have a great ass and I might not have this
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: ass forever. So if you're going to invite me, I
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: want my photo. If I'm going to go through all
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: this trouble, I want my photos to go somewhere. So
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: I kind of see that you're not going to gain
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: anything in being subtle at this thing.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And but I mean, it's absolute work doing all this.
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: How is it legal, though? How's it legal? Like, why
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: is that not indecent exposure?
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just curious. I don't know.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: I'm not on judgment. I don't know who's doing it.
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, isn't that against the law?
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I think there's been times where Instagram would take down nips.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: A nipple.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: And then, but then there's other times, like, I'll be
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: watching a reality show and some girls' boobs are out
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and they just barely fuzz it out.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: And then you're like, what if men could have their
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: nipples out? So I don't really, I just think it's like,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: who knows? Yeah.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: I guess the police aren't, like, busting into the. you know,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: to the Met Gala.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: And then this was Pamela Anderson. And this was, I
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: was like, what the, so I saw this thing around
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: her hair. She looks beautiful. And she has this, but
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: she has this feather thing around her.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: It kind of looks like her hair.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Right. And I go, is this supposed to be Like
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Sleeping Beauty woke up from her nap or whatever. But
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: then I saw another one and I go, oh, it's
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: just a feather.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's just the angle.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: But whoever thought of that feather should have thought about that.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: They should have said we should choose a feather that
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: doesn't match the color of your hair.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And I feel like it seems a little bit
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: like an afterthought, you know, like maybe you don't need it.
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: She didn't need the feather because then, look, from the front,
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: it's really good.
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: And now she's been doing the no makeup thing.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: She didn't need it. But she did put a little
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: makeup on this day.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I love the no makeup thing. I thought that was
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: so great that she started doing that. I like her because,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: you know, Nick, my husband, was in this Pam and Tommy.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: And I thought that was so good because it really showed, like,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: how– You know, she was the loser in that whole thing.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: It was really interesting.
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: I thought it was good.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was really well done. We really
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: liked it. But what I found interesting in watching it
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: with my sons is that they were like, oh, my God,
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: she just needs to get over it. Like, who cares? Like,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: this is not a big deal. Because to them, that
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: isn't a big deal that someone is out there having
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: sex with their husband. Right. But I'm like, yeah, but
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: do you see– this was like 25 years ago and
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: why that was like she was trying to take seriously
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: and it was stolen and it was this and it
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was put out. And it really was so crazy that
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: they really didn't get any money for it. It was crazy.
• 58:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: And then everybody just thought, well, I found it, so
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: too bad. That was really– that was like very well done.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: And then she did her own thing and so her
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: own like– documentary kind of about her life. And yeah,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: she's still so stunning. I'd love to see her like
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: do something more.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Me too.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Act or something. But also when you have a perfect
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: face like that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: It's nice that she was at this.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: But look at her waist.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: That's small, but it's not insane. No, that's true. It's small,
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: and she's got nice big boobies. Yeah, that's true. But also,
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: the thing that made her so famous that I think
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: is so interesting today is like, and she was discovered
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: at some sporting game. Someone saw her face, and then
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: they're like, oh, would you like to be a model
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: for this beer or whatever? And it's because she had
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: such a perfect nose and such a perfect smile, and
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: she had naturally full lips. And you just couldn't buy
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: that back then. Right. And now anyone can have good teeth.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Anyone can have a perky nose.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Anyone can have lips.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: And everybody looks the same. Like I thought when I
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: saw this Emily, I thought that was Kendall Jenner. Uh-huh.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Yeah, they all, yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: And I was like, and not saying that either of
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: them have stuff done, but people do. They do a
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: little tweak and they really start to look alike. Queen
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Latifah and her partner Ebony made their rare red carpet appearance. Now,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: I think this is really great because I she was
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: one of those people that I was like. I feel
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: like she didn't come out for a long time, but
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: everybody knew she was a lesbian. And then she had
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: a talk show and I was on that for two
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: years and it was like, I'm going to be real.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: But then she wasn't honest about her relationship.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Hmm.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Which I can see why she didn't want to be.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, especially on daytime.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but also at that time, like how real can
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: you really be if you unfortunately feel that you have
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: to keep the most important relationship in your life a secret?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine if all– like I talk
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: about my husband all the time and if all of
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, I had to be like, well–
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: You know, like if the flip was the norm and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden I always had to be like, well,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: my wife, Patty. And, you know, like if you think
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: about it that way, it just is like so weird
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and strange. So it's nice to see that they got
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: to go and like have fun.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: I think that's great.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And like, you know, look great. And then this
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: was weird. This was Doja Cat.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: I saw that.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: And then she went in just a towel and a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: towel on her head and did this weird makeup.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: But so do you have a picture of her dress?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: No, it was just a towel. It really was just
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: a towel.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, because I saw a dress. It was all wet.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: Like her tears had soaked the dress.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait, maybe I have a different one then.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I think I have it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: So many people change so many times. I'm like, maybe
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: I don't have the right one then.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I have it.
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  Speaker 1: But I get like you're with a team and they're like,
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  Speaker 1: let's do something different and creative to match this theme.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's not really, it's not
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: so different than like going to the Oscars and wearing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: something weird. Like you're supposed to be wearing something kind
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: of weird.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the thing I liked about, so I don't remember
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: the towel on her head in the photo I saw.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I remember the tears and then she's wearing this white.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Very plain dress that looks like a long T-shirt, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: she's kind of holding it up like crotch level. She's
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: kind of holding it, and then it's all soaking wet,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: like her tears soaked her, and it's kind of sheer.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: But I thought it was a good idea, actually.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was cool then. All right. So this, I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: want to get your opinion on this. This is about
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: the roast. Nikki Glaser did really well. I think she
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was the only female cast. comedian that did the roast
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: of Tom Brady it was at the forum it was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: for Netflix as a joke I've watched most of it
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: but now of course there's some controversial stuff because the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: whole point of a roast is really going there and
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: being cruel and we haven't seen them in a while
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: since Comedy Central ended them I personally as a stand
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: up have always been like very uncomfortable I've never wanted
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: to do it.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like watching them I don't like them.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I just feel like, first of all, to be good
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  Speaker 1: at it, you have to go there and you cannot
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: care about anything. You have to be Don Rickles. You
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: have to be so... And she was great at it.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: It's her thing. She's good at it.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: You have to be Ricky Gervais, you know, like where
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: you really will do anything and you don't care. Yeah.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Well, a lot of them didn't care and they went
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: for some things that now they're getting some shit for.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, a lot of the jokes were easy jokes.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: You're good looking, you look gay, whatever. Then Kevin Hart
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: is there. He's the host. You're short, you're short, you're short.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: You know, and what I remember from the past is
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: there would always be when, and Pamela Anderson, I remember
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: this was the one that turned me off to the roast.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: They did a Pamela Anderson roast years ago on Comedy Central.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: And it was all about Or maybe she was sitting there.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't her roast. Maybe she's one of the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: people and then they get to roast her too. And
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: it was so many things about her vagina and her
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: vagina size and all this other stuff. And I just
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: remember watching it and I'm like, she has two boys. Like,
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: why is she doing this? And I think at the
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: time they would get people to do the Comedy Central
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: roast because, quite frankly, it was a big paycheck. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: And then I think sometimes people were like, well, it'll
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: make me relevant again or I can laugh at the
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: joke or I'll at least be part of the joke
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But then so with this one, it was,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: you know, there were some good, you know, fun moments.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: But these are the things are getting criticized for. So
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: she said on Howard Stern, she did cut a joke
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: about Tom Brady kissing his son. So there was this
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: this video that went viral that he was on a table.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady, this is years ago. like probably eight years ago.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was that long ago, whatever. He was laying
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: on his head, getting some physical therapy done or whatever.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: And they were, they were filming it and his son
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: walks in and I think it was his older son.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: And he's like, Hey, what are you doing? And he's like, well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: come here and give me a kiss. So the kid
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: leaves already just kisses him like on the lips, whatever.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And it went out and you know, 20% of the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: people thought it was sweet and normal. And 80% was like, what?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: That kid's too old to be kissed on the lips.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: And it became a big thing. And so she's like,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: I had a joke about it, but then I decided
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to take it out. She goes, because we decided the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: kids shouldn't be part of the thing. But she's like,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I had a dad that kissed me on the lips,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever. I'm fine. But I get why it's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: like awkward and why some people think it's weird or whatever.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: So I kind of thought, okay, so she decided to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: drop the joke. Then she said the joke on Howard, which,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: you know, was funny. So- But in the special, they
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: do talk about him. He was with Bridget Moynihan and
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: she was pregnant when they broke up or they broke
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: up and then she found out she was pregnant. And
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: she's gone on to have a good life. I don't
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: think she wanted him. I don't think she felt like
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: she was being stood up. And then he went to
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: get with Giselle, who's now he's divorced from. So there
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: were jokes about leaving your pregnant wife and all of that.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: I don't really think. Then there was also jokes about
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: Giselle and how much money she would get. So she's
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: not happy today. She's pissed over the divorce jokes, according
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: to people.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: None of these people seem like they have wild senses
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: of humor, though. You know what I'm saying? These are
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: not the people who seem like they have rollicking senses
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: of humor.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I think Tom Brady was okay with everything. It
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: was more of a couple other things. And then this one...
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: There were Aaron Hernandez's jokes. And to remind people, he
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: was a professional football player. He was, I guess, on
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, same team. And then he was the one,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: do you remember the story? He was the one that
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: then he killed somebody like in a drive, like a
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: shooting situation. And then when he was in prison, he
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: ended his life and he hung himself. And he did
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: it in a way so people thought so that his
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: fiancée or mother of his child and that child would
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: get his money. And I don't know. It was a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: big thing. So now she's coming forward.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: Wait, they made some jokes about him?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: They did.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: Something about a ring around the neck, meaning because he
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: hung himself. God. And so it was just like that
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: was just not– And making like, oh, you know, cause
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: they were, they were teammates and making some throwaway jokes about,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know, some reference to him. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: it's hard. There were, there were, there were a few
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: people that I was like, okay, that's one joke. Like
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: I was watching it and it was, and I love
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer and their whole thing. They
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: had a screen and they were going through all these
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: jokes and, And they were laughing and they were doing well.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: But then there was like a Hitler thing. And I
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: was like, I just don't– listen, people have made jokes
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: about Hitler for a long time. But at this particular time,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: like I'm like– I just think that would be the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: one that I'd be like– Yeah. Like we have 12. Yeah.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: We don't need 13 jokes. Like if we're going to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like– Yeah. But then it was like, hey, you know,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: I get that comedian way of like we're not going to,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: you know– whatever and it's out there and it's like
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: you don't like it but it's live so it was
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: a live thing and I think it was like we're
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: gonna be edgy we're gonna bring back comedy and you
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: can't be sensitive and that's the thing but it.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: Well I agree with that that you can't worry about
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: being right you know it's gotten to the point where
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: you can't say anything um but so I agree that
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: that does that is the enemy of comedy because comedy
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: has to keep pushing the envelope But no, I think
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: there's a time and a place also for certain things.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: But the whole thing is like, yeah, at a certain point,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: you do have to just be like... And I used
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: to be like, oh my God, no, that's not what
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: I meant. And people would write, I don't like that
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: you said that on the show. And then I finally like...
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: basically blocked all those people and now I don't really
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: see it anymore and I don't go to the places
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: where I could see it yeah because at a certain
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: point you're like I just I'm not going to be
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: able to be creative and like I'm gonna say things
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: and I'm not even controversial it just it's just having
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: a different opinion than somebody and then be like I
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: can't believe that you you know think this or said
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: that I was like oh god there's a 10 billion
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: other ones to listen to but I mean, for the
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: most part, like people really liked it and, you know,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: and people did well in their delivery, but I thought
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: those were interesting things that are not, you know, that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: some people are like, did they go too far or not?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: And then you read the comments and a lot of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: people are like, no, we have to bring back comedy
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: and just deal with it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: That's good. I know.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: I barely go on social media anymore. Um, I just,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Something just happened. Like I, I just got,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: I just didn't want to do it anymore. But, um,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: But I mean, I totally get it. And I was
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: only on it for like maybe three or four years.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: I was really into it. I thought it was fun.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have so many followers. I know.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: I hardly ever do it anymore.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: You're like a million seven or something.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, not that many.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: No, you do. I just was on it. You're over
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: a million. Do you know that you're over a million?
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do know that. But I guess I liked Instagram.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: But then I just started feeling like, oh, I don't know.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: It's just tough.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Now, there's a fun kind of juicy story. Do you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: remember Sixteen Candles? Of course you do, right?
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: So Jake Ryan, he was so gorgeous. He's the one,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the one that she likes.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: He starred in the movie. He was just a model.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: He was handpicked by John Hughes. He really hadn't acted much.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: He was 23 at the time. And anyway, then... He
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: was such a babe. It was such a classic movie.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: But then he dropped out of acting completely. He's been
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: with his wife forever and dropped out of acting completely.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know what he does. He's 63. But now
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: his daughter is like a famous model.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: She's gorgeous. Wait, is Sixteen Candles the one where Molly
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Ringwald puts lipstick on with her boobs, between her boobs?
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: It's one of the Johnny's. No, that's the one where
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: they're in detention the whole day, I think. No, Sixteen
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Candles is so funny.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: I auditioned for the lipstick. Boobs one.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait. So, wait. Oh, wait. Breakfast Club.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, wait.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: To be which part?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: I guess Molly Ringwald. I don't know. Or short. You know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: it was kind of mix and match.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: Wait, but were you... Okay, there were two girls in it.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: But I did the... There was the Molly Ringwald.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: I did the.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: I did the boobs lipstick thing.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, then that was the part that you were
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: going to be the prima donna person.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: But I think they read us for, like, different parts.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then, yeah, and it was Ally.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Ally Sheedy.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Ally Sheedy was the one that was, like, the... kind
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: of emo one yeah and then she was yeah this
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: one was so funny it was like my favorite movie
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: and but it was one of those movies that then
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: I was like so excited you guys you're gonna die
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: this is the funniest movie ever and then my kids
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: are kind of like um and then you like watch
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: it and there's like sexual assault in it oh wow
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: like this girl gets his girlfriend gets really drunk His
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: character's girlfriend. He doesn't care about his girlfriend anymore because
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: he's in love with Molly Ringwald. Because she looked at
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: him and he was like, that's who I want to
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: be with. It was just like never would happen. But anyway.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: And so then he tells Anthony Michael Hall, take my
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: drunk girlfriend home. And she passes out. And then he
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: looks right to the camera and he's like, oh. And
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: then at the end, she realizes, because she thinks Anthony
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Michael Hall is Jake Ryan.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: So she has sex with him, but they don't show
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: them having sex, but they just show her after going,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: did we have sex? And he's like, yeah. And she's like, okay,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: Whatever.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: And it was like, wait, what? Like she was completely
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: passed out. He basically said, have your way with this
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: drunk girl. I don't care about her anymore because she's
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: drunk and she had a party at my house. And
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going for this classier redhead girl. And so then
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: he goes to the wedding and she's like, and then
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: they have that scene where they're like sitting on the
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: table having the cake.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: Isn't it so crazy how things have changed?
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: Things have really changed.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: And then that's the funniest thing because that's what a
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: lot of my friends have said. Like, you know, we're
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: all like Gen X and we're all, you know, raising
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Gen Z kids. And they'll be like, mom, like this
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: is so problematic. What is this thing? And I'm like. oh,
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: my God, these kids are, like, so much, like, nicer
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: and better than we are. Like, because it's just, I
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: won't remember. I just feel like, oh, this was such
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: a funny movie. And it's, like, it's, like, racist. And, like, they're, like,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: why is everybody white? Kids now are so colorblind. I mean,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: it's so, so different. And then they're, like, one thing
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: I said is, like, oh, people all, all these people
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: actually all wore jeans, like, at the same time.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: Like.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: Watching Fast Time at Ridgemont High, he's like, oh, everybody
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: wore jeans like this? And there's so much sex in
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: those movies and stuff. And I'm like, yeah, you're right.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: These kids are like 14 and having sex. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: I know. That's nuts. Yeah, you don't see it as much.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: So tell me, what else is going on? Anything that
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: we should watch out for that you're in or doing
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: or working on?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, not really. A couple things in the works, but nothing.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Just enjoying your life? Yeah. I love it. I'm so
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: glad you came. This was so juicy and you answered
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: so many questions and everything.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm such a fan of yours. Thanks for having
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: me on.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. Thank you. This was so fun. Thank you.
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