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- 0:00Picture this an entire species.
- 0:02The Vaquita, a small porus in the Gulf of California is on the
- 0:05verge of disappearing forever.
- 0:07Fewer than 20.
- 0:09Individuals remain.
- 0:10And while this tragedy unfolds, it holds up a mirror to another unfolding crisis.
- 0:15The decline of sharks across our oceans.
- 0:18So what if the vaquitas fate isn't just their story?
- 0:21It's a glimpse into our own future.
- 0:24We're gonna be talking about that on today's episode of the How
- 0:26to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 0:27Let's start the show.
- 0:30Hey everybody.
- 0:31Welcome back to another exciting episode of the How to Protect the Ocean Podcast.
- 0:34I'm your host, Andrew Lewin, and this is the podcast where you find
- 0:36out what's happening with the ocean, how you could speak up for the
- 0:38ocean, and what you could do to live for better ocean by taking action.
- 0:43Today I'm diving into a powerful article by marine biologist and friend and
- 0:47writer, Melissa Christina Marquez.
- 0:50She wrote an article in Forbes, which explores what the vaquitas decline warns
- 0:55us about sharks and the lesson is stark.
- 0:58It's urgent and deeply personal because when ecosystems
- 1:02unravel, we feel the impact.
- 1:04If you want to find out the whole article, you can find out by just clicking the
- 1:08description if you're watching this on YouTube or in the show notes because
- 1:11the article will be there from Forbes.
- 1:13So I'll be sure to post that.
- 1:14'cause I always wanna make sure that the people who write the articles get
- 1:17the credit and get read, not just listen to me like sp on about the article.
- 1:21Very much go to the article and read it because not only is Melissa a great
- 1:25writer, but the story is very important.
- 1:27So I've talked about the Vaquita a number of times on this podcast,
- 1:30but I'm gonna give essentially a description of what's going on.
- 1:33So the Vaquita is probably the most endangered marine mammal in the world.
- 1:36living in only one part of Mexico's upper Gulf of California or
- 1:40Sea of Cortez is also known as.
- 1:42Now, its population has plummeted due to gillnet entanglement in illegal fisheries
- 1:46targeting another species, the toto alba.
- 1:49And this fish is a large fish that is huge and is very easily to consume.
- 1:55but it's also used in Asian countries for specific medicinal purposes,
- 2:00which hasn't been actually proven in any kind of medicinal scientific
- 2:04journals or scientific studies.
- 2:06It's just a cultural thing.
- 2:07And so this fish, this total alba is something that a lot of people want.
- 2:12And so to be able to get it, they have to use gill nets to be able
- 2:16to catch it or that's how they use it to be able to catch it.
- 2:19And then the vaquita actually gets stuck within the gill nets, which
- 2:22happens to a lot of marine mammals, not just the Vaquita, but in this
- 2:25case, the Vaquita has been, you know, a huge part of this bycatch within
- 2:29the fisheries, which is catch that you don't intend to catch within a
- 2:33specific gear, but you catch it anyway.
- 2:35And it can actually cause a lot of problems for that population,
- 2:38which it has for this poor vaquita.
- 2:41Now vaquita is an elusive animal, so it's very difficult to monitor.
- 2:44So when I say, you know, there's 20 individuals left,
- 2:46there's probably actually less.
- 2:47Last estimate that I saw it was probably 10.
- 2:49And so there's even less now, and it's very difficult to find
- 2:52out if they've actually grown in population or less in a population.
- 2:55We just know that we don't see them as much as we used to.
- 2:58So there's been, like awareness campaigns and protective measures put in place.
- 3:03Unfortunately the efforts came too late.
- 3:04Like even the Gulf of the government of Mexico put in navy ships to help
- 3:08take away the threat of gill nets.
- 3:10We even had the sea shepherd conservation organization come
- 3:14in and have their own boats to monitor for gill net use.
- 3:17The problem was, is you're bordering these poor fishing villages who know
- 3:22they can get money for these fish.
- 3:24When some of them put out, not all of them, of course, when they put out
- 3:26their gill ness and they catch these fish, they get a lot of money for it.
- 3:29Then what happened is apparently organized crime got involved and that makes it
- 3:33even more complex to stop this problem because once organized crime gets
- 3:37involved, especially within a country like Mexico, you get cartels involved.
- 3:40It becomes a very difficult thing to stop.
- 3:43And so unfortunately, that bycatch from the vaquita just
- 3:45continues to continue, continue.
- 3:48And Eventually what's gonna happen is, you know, people are like, it's
- 3:51probably too late for the vaquita.
- 3:52We don't wanna lose hope.
- 3:53I say this with a caveat, we never wanna lose hope.
- 3:56We always want to bring them back from the brink.
- 3:58But to be in a realistic framework and mindset.
- 4:01It's probably too late for the vaquita.
- 4:04However, there are a lot of organizations, a lot of individuals that are
- 4:06working to stop that from happening.
- 4:08So I don't want to dismiss their efforts and their ongoing efforts to do so.
- 4:12But there is a very big problem with the vaquita and there is
- 4:15a chance that we might lose the vaquita to extinction because of us.
- 4:20It's another reason.
- 4:20It's because of us.
- 4:22But the Vaquita also stands as a symbol for what happens
- 4:25when conservation is delayed.
- 4:27And when we don't act in time or when we don't act with enough
- 4:31effort, we get problems coming in and stemming in from inaction, which
- 4:37happens a lot within conservation.
- 4:38By the time, sometimes we find out about a particular decline in a
- 4:41particular species or in a habitat.
- 4:44Sometimes it's already too late to bring in action.
- 4:46Or some people will just be like, well, we're not gonna bring in action.
- 4:48' cause it takes a lot of times because when humans are involved,
- 4:51there's usually money involved.
- 4:52There's usually a reason, like it's probably supporting something may
- 4:55be a community or something else.
- 4:57And you need to really make sure that you conservation on point, but it's also
- 5:01working properly with local communities.
- 5:04Now, here's where sharks come in, because you're probably like, Andrew,
- 5:06you're talking about marine mammals.
- 5:07How is this involved with sharks?
- 5:08Well, the warning for sharks, so the same forces that threaten Vaquitas, which is
- 5:12bycatch, overfishing and weak enforcement are pushing sharks towards collapse.
- 5:16So as an example, you see a lot of people along coastal villages.
- 5:20In Africa that are very much remote and you don't really see what's happening
- 5:24and you start to see them fish for guitar fish or wedge fish that I learned in our
- 5:29podcast on Beyond Jaws with David Ebert.
- 5:31We covered a symposium for about a month that was happening online where we talked
- 5:35how a lot of fishing nations, a lot of fishing communities will fish for sharks
- 5:39because that's what they eat and they need to survive and they need to sell the meat
- 5:43for food because they need to survive.
- 5:45Without identifying those communities and working with those communities
- 5:47to understand why they eat what they eat, and maybe find different ways
- 5:51for them to make money, or for them to consume fish of different sorts,
- 5:55it takes a long time to get in there.
- 5:58Having that threat of bycatch, overfishing and weak enforcement and
- 6:01the lack of knowledge of the customs and understanding of the ways of each local
- 6:08community, which are unique within each ones, makes it very difficult to fish.
- 6:13Now, it's not just local communities that are giving problems that eat sharks.
- 6:17There's a lot of larger corporations that run boats that are sort of commercial
- 6:22type of trawlers or long liners and that they just take the shark meat, cut it up.
- 6:28When they come in for inspection, you won't see that
- 6:30the sharks you can't recognize.
- 6:31Sometimes it looks like tuna and so you just don't know what it is.
- 6:34It could be sharp, but you have no idea.
- 6:36So the fact is, is sharks are declining because of fisheries.
- 6:40When you look at most of the estimates of sharks dying, it's because of overfishing.
- 6:44It's because of weak enforcements.
- 6:45It's because of bycatch, and sharks are critical top predators
- 6:49that regulate ecosystems.
- 6:51They regulate the food web.
- 6:52Their decline has cascading effects.
- 6:54So altering the food web and destabilizing marine life is not a
- 6:58good thing for a marine ecosystem.
- 7:00The author Melissa Marquez, she draws a direct line like inaction that doom.
- 7:04The vaquitas could also doom sharks if we wait too long.
- 7:08So, for example, we covered a story here on the podcast through Monga Bay.
- 7:12We had Monga Bay.
- 7:12Come on.
- 7:13We talked about a huge article that actually made it to.
- 7:16Legislation like the legislative body in Brazil.
- 7:19Not only schools but public sector.
- 7:21So nursing homes or older age living homes, I guess is what you
- 7:23call them, as well as prisons.
- 7:25Were buying shark meat to serve at regular meals.
- 7:30So, you know, not only is it not good for the individuals who are eating
- 7:34it, because there's a lot of arsenic, there's a lot of mercury within sharks.
- 7:36And so eating that on a regular basis could harm their health.
- 7:40But it's also, there's no management at con like what type of shark?
- 7:43we noticed that the article identified there were angel sharks
- 7:45within there that are endangered.
- 7:47And so there were a lot of problems with these types of animals
- 7:50that were being caught and they weren't being managed and they weren't
- 7:53being counted and they weren't being monitored, and they weren't being
- 7:55regulated, and they could just get any type of shark and that's gonna
- 7:58decrease the populations over time.
- 8:00Especially feeding all these public sector works that need this type of food
- 8:05or that needs food and they're using in the wrong kind of style of food.
- 8:08So here's the thing, there's a problem of acting too late.
- 8:12So, you know, conservation often follows crisis and not prevention.
- 8:16We're not going after it at the beginning or understanding that there
- 8:19could be specific problems with this.
- 8:21We're not monitoring sharks on a regular basis.
- 8:23We're only monitoring on a reactive approach, not a proactive approach.
- 8:27And then the article also warns that by the time the laws are
- 8:30tightened or enforcement strengthens.
- 8:32Populations may already be beyond recovery, just like the vaquita.
- 8:36So the Vaquita teaches us to be proactive.
- 8:38Early measures and not reactionary ones are the only way to
- 8:42avoid irreversible losses.
- 8:43So getting out ahead of it.
- 8:45So looking at your coastline as a government or as an area
- 8:49local community being like.
- 8:50What do we have in here?
- 8:51Let's just take an inventory of what do we have, what do we have a lot
- 8:53of, what do we not see a lot of?
- 8:55And then do the management from there.
- 8:56Sometimes you can have local scientists or you know, partner up
- 9:00with larger organizations or even smaller ones to help you with that.
- 9:04And I think that's a really important one.
- 9:06And then the call to change is governments and industries must invest in
- 9:09monitoring, regulation and enforcement.
- 9:12before sharks reach like the vaquita, like levels of decline.
- 9:15So the public support, consumer choices and pressure on decision makers are key.
- 9:20This is where you come in.
- 9:21If you like sharks.
- 9:23A lot of people do.
- 9:24We like watching shark documentaries.
- 9:25We like watching our shark movies like shark, NATO and stuff like that
- 9:28because we like learning about sharks.
- 9:30We all want to know about sharks.
- 9:32It's something that we love to hate, but we also love them as well.
- 9:34There's a lot more people who love sharks and understand their importance, but
- 9:38they don't know how to protect them.
- 9:39That goes to, even here in Canada, you know, voting for people who
- 9:43will vote for pro-environment type of ecosystem health, right?
- 9:47Whether they're a business person, a lawyer, and economist.
- 9:50You have to talk to them about what's important to you, and
- 9:53if the ocean's important.
- 9:54I don't care if you live in Ontario.
- 9:55I don't care if you live in the Midwest and in the US or in England or in Ireland
- 10:00or Scotland or anywhere in Europe.
- 10:02If you live inland or along the coast, the ocean is important to all of us,
- 10:06and it's important for those bodies that are in charge of putting in
- 10:09regulations to be able to do that.
- 10:11'cause even if you live in a country where there's a coast, I have three coasts.
- 10:14I have the longest coast in the world.
- 10:16Just because my MP is in Burlington, Ontario, where I live doesn't mean that
- 10:21it's not important for them to know about what's going on along the coastlines.
- 10:25That's very important.
- 10:26The story hits me, not only as a marine biologist, but as a person.
- 10:29Like the Vaquita is not just a porus, it's a warning sign.
- 10:33It's something that hits me and be like, we could lose this
- 10:36species because of inaction.
- 10:39Right?
- 10:39Not taking the proper steps, not saying, Hey, you know what, we
- 10:42need to actually do something.
- 10:43It's a conservation loss.
- 10:45It's a huge, huge loss, and I want you to think of it this way.
- 10:47The ocean is like a safety net.
- 10:49Right, that it protects humanity.
- 10:51You know, it gives us food, oxygen.
- 10:53Every second breath goes to our breathing, our oxygen levels, climate stability.
- 10:58Every time species like slips through the cracks, the net weakens
- 11:03and the vaquitas near extinction tells us that waiting is deadly.
- 11:07If we wait and we, you know, do inaction.
- 11:10It's not gonna help us.
- 11:11This is where it gets personal for you.
- 11:14If sharks collapse, seafood industries change, you may like the change.
- 11:18You may not like the change.
- 11:19Coral reefs decline and coastal communities lose natural
- 11:21protection because they don't have coral reefs, right?
- 11:24It's not just about the ocean like out there.
- 11:27It's about your dinner plate.
- 11:28It's about your beach vacation.
- 11:30It's about your storm protection.
- 11:32It's about your children's inheritance of a stable planet.
- 11:35This is where it all counts.
- 11:36Having a loss like sharks or shark species is going to be a terrible loss.
- 11:41Now, there are some organizations and lots of researchers and lots of
- 11:45governments who are doing the right thing.
- 11:46If you look at the emergence of great white sharks in certain areas
- 11:50or whales in other areas, we are seeing conservation successes.
- 11:54The manatee down in South Florida was a conservation success up until recently.
- 11:58Things ebb and flow, but action actually helps putting together monitoring
- 12:02plans actually help putting species on the endangered species list or
- 12:06on a list where they can't be traded internationally helps protect them and
- 12:09to make sure that their stocks remain stable or at least get to a point where
- 12:13they could be stable in and of itself.
- 12:15So the fate of the key to, it's heartbreaking.
- 12:17There's no doubt about that, but it's a story that can serve as a
- 12:20turning point if we actually listen.
- 12:22Sharks are the next test.
- 12:24We are seeing a huge decline.
- 12:26We can't just keep saying, Hey, there are 200 million estimate,
- 12:28200 million sharks die every year.
- 12:30' cause eventually we're gonna run out.
- 12:31There's a tipping point.
- 12:32And if we wait until the numbers are as low as the vaquita is, or we will
- 12:36act like, people are like, well, how come there's not still time where
- 12:38people ask like, why didn't you do anything when we had the time before?
- 12:41So this is a big step for us, like this is the way you need to think about the
- 12:45ocean is don't wait till it's too late.
- 12:47Be proactive as a voter, as somebody who lives in a democratic society.
- 12:52And you have that say with the government, make sure there's regulation
- 12:55and make sure you support research.
- 12:56Make sure you speak to scientists who are out there talking on a level like
- 13:01I am, or even bigger or even smaller.
- 13:04These are the people who see these trends all the time and are out
- 13:06there trying to make you aware of the good and the bad that's out there.
- 13:10So make sure you listen to them and I think that's really important.
- 13:13So that's it for today's episode.
- 13:14I want it to be a little bit of a quicker one.
- 13:16And I wanna thank you so much for listening to this episode of How
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