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Lions vs Bills - TNF Showdown Shippers | NFL Week 2 | DFS Picks, Plays & Process · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: All systems go.
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  Speaker 2: Clear your liftoff. What's up, everyone? Tyler Tamblyn here, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 2: ToeTag and Tambo, back for another edition of Showdown Shippers
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  Speaker 2: here on the Shippin' Nation YouTube station. Got Hoop, got Title,
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  Speaker 2: got myself, gonna break down all things for Detroit at Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Big game tonight, big boy total. It's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fun. I'm excited to talk this one through. Hoop,
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  Speaker 2: we're back at it. It's a Thursday night football game
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  Speaker 2: we got here. What's going on with you, my friend?
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously excited for this one, being a Lions fan.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it's a, you know, week two Island game.
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  Speaker 1: Tough spot, obviously, for the Lions.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into it as we get into everything here.
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  Speaker 3: But in Buffalo, stadium opening up, Buffalo looked great week one.
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  Speaker 3: Lions looked okay for a while, then a little rough.
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  Speaker 3: Got a pretty strong opinion on this game, so I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to give it away right out of the gate.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll talk about it when we get into it.
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  Speaker 3: But excited for this one. Big total, a ton of
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  Speaker 3: big name fantasy guys on both sides.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely excited to watch it.
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  Speaker 2: That, folks, in the industry is called a tease.
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  Speaker 1: Not a good one. Not a good one, but a tease.
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  Speaker 2: He said, I got a good take on this game,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm not going to give it to you until later.
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  Speaker 2: I like that title, your boy. I posted out that
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  Speaker 2: I loved Aaron Rodgers in the press conference the other day.
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  Speaker 2: I said, that's like me when someone's like, oh, but you,
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  Speaker 2: You can't play him, Tim, but he only had four targets. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't give a shit about the target list. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care. We're playing DFS. He was talking about
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  Speaker 2: it differently, but they're like, how about Roman Wilson's targets?
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  Speaker 2: He's like, who gives a shit? So love your boy Rogers.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good one. How you doing my friend?
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  Speaker 2: What's going on? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he always says it. I always sees it.
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  Speaker 4: Whether you agree, disagree, whatever it is. I can always
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  Speaker 4: appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm ready for this one.
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  Speaker 4: Big total 54 and a half bills have taken money
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  Speaker 4: since open. It was, it was three. Now it's five
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  Speaker 4: and a half. That's quite a bit of money. And yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Superman Josh against a poor, poor defense. What can go
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  Speaker 4: wrong for the Lions tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see. We're going to get into it. As usual, guys,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to break down captains. Then we're going to
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  Speaker 2: go through position by position. We'll talk about roster construction, composition,
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  Speaker 2: how people are building it out for tonight, ways that
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  Speaker 2: we see that you can get different within it. And
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  Speaker 2: hoop i know you didn't want to give it away
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  Speaker 2: you don't you still don't have to give it away
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  Speaker 2: but give us your grand scheme overview for this game
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  Speaker 2: we talked about it being you know a battle of
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  Speaker 2: the titans here we've got you know everyone talking about
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  Speaker 2: josh allen gibbs all the other guys on each team
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  Speaker 2: that go with them but then big total you know
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  Speaker 2: island game how do you see this one playing out
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  Speaker 2: what's your thoughts on this game.
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  Speaker 3: Damn i mean it's hard to not give it away
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  Speaker 3: at this point so i mean it's not a huge
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  Speaker 3: giveaway and i don't think people would be surprised but
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  Speaker 3: i mean the bills are going to score a lot
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  Speaker 3: of freaking points today it's just a matter of how
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  Speaker 3: many and How many can the Lions score? Can they
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  Speaker 3: keep it somewhat close? Because I don't think they have
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  Speaker 3: a chance of stopping Josh Allen on defense. Their secondary
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  Speaker 3: is horrible. We saw it against the Saints, and it
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  Speaker 3: was disguised a lot in the first half. There were
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  Speaker 3: some fluke plays, but in the second half, the Saints
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  Speaker 3: offense was really doing whatever the.
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  Speaker 1: Hell it wanted. Josh Allen will be able to do
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  Speaker 1: whatever the hell he wants.
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  Speaker 3: They played And I know it's not the same defense
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  Speaker 3: and the Lions defense was actually better at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Two years ago, it was in December. I remember watching
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  Speaker 3: the game and the Bills scored. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 3: it was every single drive they came down and scored.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen was walking into the end zone, like untouched
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  Speaker 3: for like 20 yard runs. It's not going to be
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  Speaker 3: good for the Lions defensively. I mean, the Bills are
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  Speaker 3: going to score a lot. And then it just comes
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  Speaker 3: down to, can the Lions keep it close? And It's
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  Speaker 3: the NFL. These teams always have a chance to keep
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  Speaker 3: it somewhat close. Even if you're down three scores, they
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  Speaker 3: can always come back a little bit. So I wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: be surprised if the Lions keep it somewhat close, but
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  Speaker 3: the Bills are going to be able to do whatever
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  Speaker 3: the hell they want offensively tonight, and it probably is
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  Speaker 3: going to feature a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing that is very difficult for the Lions to overcome,
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  Speaker 3: if they are going to be a good offensive team,
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  Speaker 3: they need to protect– Jared Goff, because he is immobile
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  Speaker 3: back there.
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  Speaker 1: He can't move.
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  Speaker 3: I've been talking about it for a year. He just
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  Speaker 3: cannot move back there. They have two offensive linemen out today,
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  Speaker 3: and that is definitely not good at all. So seeing the.
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  Speaker 1: Line obviously move a little bit towards the Bills.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're favored by five and a half, I
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  Speaker 3: believe is the consensus number. But, man, I think that
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  Speaker 3: they could run away with it. But again, it's hard
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  Speaker 3: to predict blowouts in the NFL. It really is just
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  Speaker 3: because of the way the game set up. These teams
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  Speaker 3: can always come back and make it somewhat close. I'll
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  Speaker 3: say at some point in the game, the Bills will
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  Speaker 3: be up by at least two scores. They'll be up
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  Speaker 3: by at least 14 at some point throughout the game. Like,
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  Speaker 3: can the Lions keep it close and bring it back
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  Speaker 3: a little bit? Yeah, maybe, possibly. But it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be difficult for them. with the offensive lineman down. So
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  Speaker 3: I think it could, it has the potential to get ugly.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, Josh Allen was going to be able
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  Speaker 3: to do whatever the hell he wants. So that is
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  Speaker 3: my grand scheme overview.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Title. Do you have anything you want to add to
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  Speaker 2: that one?
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  Speaker 1: I can stop there. Yeah. Not really.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm on the same page. It really comes
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  Speaker 4: down to how can the Lions keep up with the bills,
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  Speaker 4: which Yeah, I mean, can they protect golf? That's what
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  Speaker 4: they're going to need to do. Down-to-offense alignment is not good.
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  Speaker 4: Golf can't move, but they have the best running back
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  Speaker 4: in football. Aminra is a monster. I mean, Jamison Williams
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  Speaker 4: couldn't catch a cold. You cannot get a worse game
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  Speaker 4: than game one. But the air yards and all the
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  Speaker 4: advanced metrics look good. Just for DFS, though, like the
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  Speaker 4: best quarterback in the league, the best running back in
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  Speaker 4: the league, both showing 17% at captain. Maybe it's a
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  Speaker 4: little light. Maybe it's even 20%. But what's nice is
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  Speaker 4: pretty much everything outside of those two is somewhat low-owned.
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  Speaker 4: And again, Jameson Williams, Amin Ra, DJ Moore, Shakir, Kincaid,
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  Speaker 4: James Cook. There's plenty of guys that have two touchdowns upside,
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  Speaker 4: 100-plus yard upside. That's not named Gibbs and Josh Allen today.
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  Speaker 4: So curious to hear what you guys have to say
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  Speaker 4: at the captain position.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get to it in a second
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  Speaker 2: before I just add a couple things. I still don't
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  Speaker 2: see this. Like, no matter what, even on a– because
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  Speaker 2: the way it shapes out, like, people still want– Allen, Gibbs,
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  Speaker 2: like just flipping sides. They want Laporta and Kincaid. They
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  Speaker 2: want more and they want Jamison Williams or Amin Ra.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's always flips on both sides. So I see
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  Speaker 2: still more four twos, more three threes, probably three threes
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  Speaker 2: even more. And then also, you know, those that build
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  Speaker 2: to the five ones will probably build very similar five ones.
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  Speaker 2: So there's ways you can get it done tonight, leaving
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  Speaker 2: a couple thousand, 3,000, 4,000, whatever it might be, depending
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  Speaker 2: on the tournament size that you're in on the table.
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  Speaker 2: But they're just, yeah, like Nate said, they're not ever
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  Speaker 2: really that popular.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you wanted to go that way, LSU Knicks in here,
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  Speaker 2: shout out to Knicks, says 5-1 Detroit. YOLO, that could
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  Speaker 2: definitely be a thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be interesting. Somebody else said
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  Speaker 2: something I was looking at there too. But anyway, one
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  Speaker 2: thing you mentioned, a couple of things. I want to
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  Speaker 2: get it from the chat. We used to do this.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me tonight the score of the game And for who?
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  Speaker 2: Like if you think it's put Detroit, you know, 44
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  Speaker 2: to 37 or whatever, if you think they win, like
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  Speaker 2: whatever you think, put in the chat, let us know
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  Speaker 2: who you win and what the score is, who you
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  Speaker 2: think wins, what the score is. Hoop, I'll go back
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  Speaker 2: to you. I don't know if you want to add
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  Speaker 2: more before title setter, but if not, you can just
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  Speaker 2: jump in to the captains. Obviously you're going to be
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  Speaker 2: on Josh Allen by the sounds of things. Like you said,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to do whatever he wants, but I want
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  Speaker 2: to see what the chat thinks the game total and
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  Speaker 2: the winner is going to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So for captain, I mean, I, there's definitely a lot
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  Speaker 3: of different ways to go. I mean, both teams have
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  Speaker 3: a plethora of options in terms of who can score touchdowns,
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  Speaker 3: who can score multiple touchdowns, who can rack up 10 catches,
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  Speaker 3: who can rack up 150 yards and two, three touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: There's multiple guys on both sides. So it doesn't have
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  Speaker 3: to just be Josh Allen. It doesn't have to just
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  Speaker 3: be Jameer Gibbs. If you're building a bunch of teams,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're going to include those guys.
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd be foolish not to. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I agree with title's point.
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  Speaker 3: Like after those two, anything else, it's going to be
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  Speaker 3: easy to get overweight. But then even with those two
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  Speaker 3: at the 17 to 20% range, it's kind of easy
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  Speaker 3: to get overweight on those guys as well. It's not
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  Speaker 3: like a number where it's crazy. And these guys could
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  Speaker 3: go absolutely nuclear. I mean, for me, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 3: probably pretty clear, you know, my preference, you know, Josh Allen, uh,
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  Speaker 3: I think is a phenomenal play. I think he can do,
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  Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do whatever the hell
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  Speaker 3: he wants, uh, tonight. So, you know, taking those two
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  Speaker 3: out of the conversation, what stands out to me, um,
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  Speaker 3: Amonra St.
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  Speaker 1: Brown.
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  Speaker 3: If he's only going to be around 10%, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we saw it last week, and even if Goff is
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  Speaker 3: getting a lot of pressure, which I do suspect to
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  Speaker 3: be the case, he'll get it out quick to Amonra.
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  Speaker 3: This could easily, even if they get their ass kicked,
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  Speaker 3: be a game where Amonra racks up 10 catches for
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  Speaker 3: 150 yards, and then if he finds the end zone, great.
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  Speaker 3: He can find it twice like he did last week.
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  Speaker 3: Phenomenal play there. I think James Cook, 10%-ish range.
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  Speaker 1: If it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen getting all these touchdowns. It could easily be
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  Speaker 3: James Cook. I think a lot of people are going
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  Speaker 3: to be focused on Josh Allen, DJ Moore, that sort
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  Speaker 3: of combination just because we saw it last week. Well,
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  Speaker 3: if it's not any of that and we still think
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  Speaker 3: that the Bills kick the lion's ass or score a
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  Speaker 3: bunch of points, it could be James Cook. So those
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  Speaker 3: are the two that definitely stand out to me when
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  Speaker 3: you look at the ownership. Right around 10% on Cook,
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  Speaker 3: 10% on Amandra. After that, guys that I'm interested in.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Jamison Williams, if he's going to be like
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  Speaker 3: around five, we have him at 5%, 5.5. Like he
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  Speaker 3: could have had, he could have nuked last week if
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  Speaker 3: he just caught the freaking football. The problem is like
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  Speaker 3: he didn't catch the football. And if you don't catch
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  Speaker 3: the football and you're a wide receiver, it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be hard to score a lot of fantasy points. He
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  Speaker 3: had some bad drops. Like, can he turn that around
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  Speaker 3: a little bit?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I expect that he does. I think he's
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  Speaker 1: a good option at 5%.
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  Speaker 3: You got the tight ends and Kincaid, Laporta, um yeah
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  Speaker 3: i a lot of different ways you can go dj
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  Speaker 3: more i think is is fine so i would probably
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  Speaker 3: be looking to get exposure to a lot of these
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  Speaker 3: guys and when you have a game when there's so
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  Speaker 3: many offensive weapons like what's needed at captain can kind
• 12:03
  Speaker 3: of continuously change as the game is going on sometimes
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  Speaker 3: the salary restrictions come into play and that could be
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  Speaker 3: the case today because we don't have a ton of
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  Speaker 3: value we'll talk about it when we get into the
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  Speaker 3: the flex spots there's just not a lot of value
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  Speaker 3: so i'll even though I think Buffalo wins this game
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  Speaker 3: and scores a lot of points, like I still like
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  Speaker 3: some of these lions guys as well. You're building a
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  Speaker 3: lot of teams, Josh Allen, Jameer Gibbs, obviously great options.
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  Speaker 3: But after that, like I said, guys, I'm looking at
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  Speaker 3: James Cook, Amonra, probably Jamison Williams. So I'll just rank
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  Speaker 3: the guys after Allen and Gibbs who are clearly the top.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say Amonra, James Cook, Jamison Williams would
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  Speaker 3: be my next three, um, that I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Most interested in.
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  Speaker 3: But I could see it being a lot of different
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  Speaker 3: guys tonight. And like I said, without a ton of
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  Speaker 3: value plays on the slate, like it could be anyone.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily going to be the highest
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  Speaker 3: scoring guy on the slate that is the captain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to add that. I think
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  Speaker 2: that's one of the most interesting points on this. As
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  Speaker 2: someone said earlier, like a lot of these lineups are
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  Speaker 2: showing two punts and whatever. Like we'll see, by the way, too.
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  Speaker 2: I know everyone's hoping this Skylar Bell guy plays at
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  Speaker 2: 200 bucks, but it really is interesting that they're hoping
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  Speaker 2: for that because he was inactive last week. We're waiting
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  Speaker 2: to see Ty Johnson. We're waiting to see Skylar Bell.
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  Speaker 2: We're just naming a couple of them here. They're 200
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  Speaker 2: and Ty Johnson's 2000. People want to see these guys
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  Speaker 2: play because like, well, I just want to play all
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  Speaker 2: the dudes. But like you said, there's also a scenario
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  Speaker 2: here where it is TJ Moore or James Williams or
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: Kincaid order or something like that. Skip over those values
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  Speaker 2: and not have to worry about them anymore and then
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  Speaker 2: be able to see it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody showed, um, you know, I think it was Nades
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  Speaker 2: in there that said Ty Johnson's going to be there. Uh,
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: you know, kickers, you'd have to plug in instead. If
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  Speaker 2: you think it's going to lead to that style of game,
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  Speaker 2: I think kickers can be in play in a high
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  Speaker 2: scoring or low scoring game. But I think if you,
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  Speaker 2: if you actually think it's going to be a low
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  Speaker 2: scoring game, and by the way, nobody in the chat
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  Speaker 2: does like, I think every The lowest total I think
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  Speaker 2: in the chat was 48 or 47 or something. A
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  Speaker 2: bunch of people threw it up there. Also, everyone has
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  Speaker 2: the bills by 10 plus almost. So I think that's
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  Speaker 2: another thing you got to think about. It's not saying
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  Speaker 2: you're going to be wrong. I'm just noting it that
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  Speaker 2: it is interesting. And Tidal, I'll kick it to you,
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: but I don't ever think the Lions are out of it.
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: I get how important the line is, like everything that
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: they need, like the line injuries I'm talking about, not
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: the game line, but just noting it when you've got
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell, and you've got golf and Gibbs and almond
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: rye and James Williams and Laporta and everything else is
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: healthy on that offense. It gets cooking. I still think
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: there's possibility, man. So I think it makes it for
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: a more interesting game than people might think. And then
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: the other thing too, I'll just add quickly, just my
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: thoughts falling on hoops before I kick it to you
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: is like, Some of the guys that people might not
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: think about, like I think you mentioned it in your
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: opening about, I bet you people are probably down on Jamo.
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: It definitely looks like it by the ownership because with
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: no line, how can Goff get open? How would he
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: even have time to hit him? To me, that's like
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: a more of an opportunity than it is a negative.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: It could be balanced, but I'm saying the reason it's
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: still an opportunity is because if he has to scramble
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: away from that line, One guy that's very fast and
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: could be very open when he just gets to chuck
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: it is Jamison Williams downfield. So it's like there is
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: possibility for a big play there still that I think
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of people would just say, no, there's no chance.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: He's not going to have time to get that throw off.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: He just has to get loose a little bit and
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: then get free. The other guy is definitely going to
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: be loose. But your thoughts, title, I'll kick it over
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lines are definitely live.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: And we just saw what the Cardinals did to the
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Chargers week one as a lot bigger dog here. The
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: Lions side's easy just because it's so condensed with this team. Gibbs, Aminra,
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: Jamison Williams, Sam Laporta. Those are the only ones I
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: really have interest in at captain. I didn't even mention
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Jared Goff. If he's the captain winner today, I'll move
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: on to next week. Again, sure, if he throws it
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: to one to Jamo, one to Brown, one to an
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: offense alignment, and one to Laporta, sure.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: But it's just so concentrated.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: I think if they absolutely go off, it's going to
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: be one of those guys carrying the load at skill
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: position players. A little more spread out on Buffalo, but
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I guess not really. It's still Josh Allen, James Cook,
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: but they did rotate running backs more than I expected
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: in week one. Ty Johnson injury news is going to
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: be pretty important because we'll get to flex, but Ray Davis,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Frank Gore, these guys are in play at very cheap
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: price tags if you need value. DJ Moore, Shakir at
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: the receivers, Kincaid at tight end. How I'm looking at it,
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: outside obviously of Gibbs and Josh Allen, James Cook's definitely
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: my favorite. Captain on the slate, again, it just leverages
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: off of the Josh Allen stuff. He can slow the
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: game down, which allows you to leave more money on
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: the table a little bit.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: Coming off week one.
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: Where Josh had to do everything on his back and
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: James Cook couldn't get going in a really tough matchup,
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: I think we could see them give the ball to
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: James Cook 25 times. 78.5 rushing props, 17.5 rushing attempts,
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: can catch the ball to the backfield. He's only showing
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: 10% ownership. When do we ever see James Cook at
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: 10% captain. So he's my favorite at ownership. DJ Moore
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: would be number two. The new toy Josh Allen has. Again,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: I think the Bills move the ball at will. And
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: then Kincaid, I'm going to say is number three. Very,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: very good week one. I think it was like five
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: for 130. He's playing more snaps, running a bunch of routes.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: He looks healthy. I think the Bills smash. So DJ, Kincaid,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: James Cook, probably my favorites. And then on the Lions side,
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: I'm Probably Jamison Williams, maybe Sam Laporta, just because he's 5,400,
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: which is a way step down in price from all
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: the other guys I kind of liked.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: You get on a little different roster construction.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: But again, don't just play Sam Laporta, leave $ 100 and
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: jam and chalk elsewhere. That's not going to be contrarian
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: by any means. Yeah.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: One thing I will say, it's just funny because the
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: golf there's, I think around the industry, like tonight, there's
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: nobody really high on golf and you do need almost
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: a perfect storm, but one thing crazy hoop that I
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: looked up and it has these, these don't matter at all.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying to use this as I'm just
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: showing you how it can happen. The last time I
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: think it was last time these two teams played, it
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: was 48 to 42. And that was the game.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, and golf had almost 500 yards.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: And he threw five touchdowns and it was one to Amundra,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: one to Gibbs, one to Tim Patrick, your boy, one
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to Jamo, one to Dan Skipper. And then he said,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: no touchdown for you, Sam Laporta, but let me give
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you seven catches for 111 yards. So it has zero
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to do with tonight.
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: I know this.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I'm the biggest preacher of this, of like sample size
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: and two years ago, not meaning shit. I'm just noting
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that when it's like, you know, it would have to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: be this perfect storm. That perfect storm can happen. And
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in a high scoring game, Things get spread out. As
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Roger said in the further part of that rant yesterday
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: was the ball goes to who's open. And that's, what's
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: going to happen here. And when you got no, when you're,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: when you're down lineman, the ball definitely just goes to
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: who's open, whoever you, so you don't get rocked. Like
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I just got to get the ball out and see
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: what happens. So I'm just thinking about it from that perspective,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: but just another angle to look at it from, I
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: don't really have too much away from you guys on
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: how you talked about it. I do think like title
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: is the best at explaining this one where it's, you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: we know what the top two guys are. So if
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: you can either get overweight and just say, that's going
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to be the winning captains. Or if you think about
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the slate differently, you know, even if we're slightly down
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: on the ownership right now on our initials for Amundra, Williams, Goff,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: DJ Moore, Kincaid, Laporta, let's just use those guys. That's fine.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: You could just still come underweight Gibbs, underweight Allen, overweight,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: all those guys, and still have a pretty nice pool
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: in your portfolio and get plenty of leverage on all
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: those other captains. I do think it's pretty interesting because
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: we'll have to be like digging for value. We, we
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: found the, um, who was the guy like Raridon, the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: old Raridon steak, the, the Jesus believer himself. He was,
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: he was the guy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: And we found that, but we had to dig deep.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's what we'll have to do today
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: for value. And those that aren't doing that are going
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: to just hope that Ty Johnson's active when the game
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: comes around. It's like, Oh, I can just play him
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: for 2K. So we'll have to see. But yeah, Aaron,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I literally just gave that preface to it. I said,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: There's a caveat on there. I mean, he made it clear. Yeah.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just noting it because I've seen it like three,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: I was telling hoop before we hopped on. So just
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: a little outside chat, you know, we were going through,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I said like all these threads get into the algorithm
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and it's like, they're popping up and it's like, nobody
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: likes golf tonight. He's just a horrible captain to me.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I was just saying to show just one example, it
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: is possible. But again, I don't go off a sample.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: They're so scattered. That game was in Detroit. Yes. That
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: game was in the, in the dome. in Detroit.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen was 2% owned and nuked the main slate.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: I think it was like a 325 game with Shakir
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: and just absolutely took Took home all the cheese.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And we understand tonight is in Buffalo.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: It's their opening of the stadium and it's 60 degrees.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: We fully, we fully have that.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: It's like, we don't do this for a living. We
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: don't follow any of that stuff or know what we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: talking about here. It's like, it's just, it's all just
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: to give an example. It's not about that. Like there's
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: so many variables in a football game. There's different coaching staff,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: whether it's.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: How it's possible because it is, he's making the point.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: It's hard to, it is really hard to, uh, come
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: up with a scenario in your head where golf captain
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: is the play. It's, it's hard to do that. He
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: was just showing the example.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I'm saying the funniest thing ever when people would say, yeah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: but that over a thousand games, that would take X, Y,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: and Z to happen. It literally happened the last time
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: these two teams played in the total that you guys
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: all just wrote up in the chat. Everybody posted that
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: total basically. So it can happen. So that's my point,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: but we'll move on. Um, let's stay with the captains
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: then who, or sorry, the quarterbacks then outside of the
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: captain reasoning, like obviously Josh Allen up top golf, not
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: much for anybody, but if you know, in flex and
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: how you're using it, like, I guess I'll give titles
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: example over to you hoop. He talked about like, what
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: about James cook up in the captain? And you mentioned too,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: it obviously makes sense. People are going to be playing
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: James cook. You get them at a low ownership, but
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: you'll have the money for James or sorry. How do
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you feel about that when you've already got James Cook
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: up top? Do you need Allen? Are you going to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: put them together? What's your thoughts on something like that?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: If you only had one to three lineups, for example.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, these are this game and it's tough from
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: that perspective because just looking at this game, it's very,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's very, very difficult to make a case
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: where Josh Allen is not in the optimal lineup in
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: some way, shape or form. So then it's like, how, how,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: what is the scenario where Josh Allen is not needed tonight?
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And it's very clear.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: It's James Cook probably scoring, what, three touchdowns maybe? And
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: then he's the captain that you need. So I think
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: the only scenario where I'd feel comfortable not having, especially
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: for hand-building, not having Josh Allen in the flux is
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: if you're playing a James Cook captain team, if that
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: makes sense. I really think that's probably the only scenario
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: outside of injury or something where i would feel comfortable
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: hand building a team and not including josh allen uh
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: and then with um with golf i mean the price
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: for a quarterback that should be throwing a lot like
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: 9600 like he's not you know josh gives 12k josh
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: allen 11 for a monra 10 for and then golf
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: like In the flux, totally adequate play. I mean, if
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: you are under the assumption that, like I am, that
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: the Bills are going to score a shit ton of points,
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: you have to imagine the Lions are going to be
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: throwing the ball a lot. So golf in flux definitely
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: makes a lot of sense. But I think the Josh
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Allen conversation is more important, though. It's like, if you're
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: not playing them in flux, it would, to me, need
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: to be a James Cook captain team.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: I think we're more aligned there. It's probably, I mean,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: obviously I'm not ruling it out because I think that's
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a bad way to play showdown in general. A lot
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: of people rule themselves out of things that can happen,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: but I do think that's a curious way to do
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: it because you can get a lineup with let's say 46,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: five that makes a ton of sense with a James
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Cook captain, but doesn't require Josh Allen because the way
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the game plays out. The other thing I'm hoping at
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: least is because again, I wasn't like super lobbying for it,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: but just noting how it would have to happen. And
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: funny that it could happen in the game that people
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: were describing and has before. But just saying it again
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: is I'm hoping the golf hate bleeds into flex title
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: because I think it's going to make way more. So
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: like you said it earlier, how condensed is this Detroit team? Again,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: people are going to make up a story about every
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: five other guys we're going to, too, when we get
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: there later. And I tell you all about who Tom
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Kennedy or something like that. And we tell you what
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: school he went to and where he was drafted just
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: for the content purposes, but just in general. It's like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: if you got Amin Ra, if you got Gibbs who
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: catches a ton of balls, to me, it's like, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: they're playing from behind and that just outdoes the split
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: of the other side. You could still have Allen in
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: that lineup because golf is so cheap. So you could
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: have double quarterback flex. I think it's still interesting that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: golf is like not getting... a ton of love in
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the flex. Like, I don't know, maybe it doesn't come true,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: but it looks like he's coming in like 35 to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: 40% in flex. And a lot of it's bleeding down
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: from the top and just so many other guys you
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: can go to. I do think he's, uh, he's going
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: to be fine, especially if you've got LaPorta, Amin, RR, JMO,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: or even Gibbs, to be honest up top.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: And I do think that state holds true. I mean,
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: a guy that can't run as a dog with so
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: many shiny toys in the price range.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Again, everyone loves James.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Williams, Amin Ra, James Cook, Gibbs, Josh Allen. You only
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: can play so many guys when you're spending up for golf.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: The opportunity cost is one of those other big name players.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I think we could see for like a
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: notable name at quarterback, one of the lower flex ownerships
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: that we've seen at a quarterback like Jared Goff today.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: But it's mainly just due to who's around him.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And yeah, Gibbs and.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen, that's Playing all three of them is pretty tough,
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: and then you kind of box yourself into similar paths
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: when you do go that route.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, one thing I would just say to this, because
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: if we think Buffalo wins tonight, you can make a
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: real case for a min one Alan Cook, Moore, Kincaid.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I get that it boxes you in, but it's pretty
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: much an if-then statement. I think you'd have a very
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: hard time building 150 lineups and not getting like 150.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: 45 of them that way already. It's actually the opposite
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: where you could box yourself out because of that situation.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it is the tricklers where, you know, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: have five lineups that didn't end up having that because
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you didn't set that rule. And you're like, oh, holy shit.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: That's the lineup that got to the top. I would
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: have never thought a lineup with the first night when I,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: when I tied for that ticket, it was like a JSN.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: up top with Price in the flex, no Darnold. And
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: obviously if Darnold didn't get injured, it probably would have
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: been helpful too, but I'm just noting it. It's like, again,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: you don't know what's going to happen on any given slate.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: So to me, that was just like an example where
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you don't really want to box yourself out of the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: situation and you're not really doing much there where you're
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: going to gain a bunch. I would say like, again,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: 140 plus lineups are probably going to come with that anyway.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: So Tidal, I'll stay with you on the running back
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: conversation to further it. I don't know if you're going
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: to sell us on some Ray Davis and Jacob sailors.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: What else? I mean, the, the thing about this slate
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: is the positions kind of have their dudes and it's
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: really about roster construction and what value shows up. And
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: by the way, if that value does show up, like
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Ty Johnson comes true or, or something like that, you're,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: you're going to have to think about, okay, what does
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: that do for the roster construction after everything we just
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: talked about? Yeah.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: I think running back is actually a little more difficult
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: than people probably think like, yeah, Gibbs and, uh, and,
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: And James Cook, of course.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: With that being said, I mean, when you.
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: Want to play all the big boy studs on this slate,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: there's cheap options for the secondary options. Ray Davis is 2,400.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: We have to monitor Ty Johnson. If he plays, he's 2K.
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: If he's out like he was again last week, Frank
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Gore Jr. is $ 400. And Frank Gore Jr. actually had
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: two more snaps than Ray Davis last week. Actually, I
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: take that back. He had six more snaps. than Ray Davis.
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: He got more of the third down work than expected,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Frank Gore Jr.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that is.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: So if he's out, I mean, $ 400, two points could
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: be enough from him today. There's so many guys we
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: talked about up top that just can nuke the slate,
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: and then you get on a little different roster construction,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: maybe fading the mid-tier in Laporta and Bass or something.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: So Ty Johnson news is important.
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: I would not build, I have to do a single
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: entry or whatever, sure, but I would not build until
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: you do get that news at inactives. And I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: I like Frank Gore Jr. more than Ray Davis for
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: the 2K savings, just from what I saw last week,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: them giving.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Him more work.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: On the Lions side, I'm curious here at Hoopstate, because
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: last week it was Gibbs playing like 75% of snaps.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And then this Sione Vahiki, maybe I butchered the name,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: maybe I didn't. But he got a decent amount of work,
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: about 30% of snaps. With that being said, A, he
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: didn't really do too much with that. And I'm not
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: convinced that they're just going to go right back to
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: this Vahiki dude and not try Jacob Saylors, who didn't
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: get any snaps. They're going to play all the Gibbs
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: that they can handle. But he needs a break once
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: in a while. And both these guys are cheap. 3K
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: for Vahiki.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Saylors, $ 1, 400.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: Both showing very, very low ownership. I think I'm probably
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: going to be overweight on these backup running backs on
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: both sides because when they do pay off and when
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: they are optimal, you're going to get a lot less
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: dupes with it. And before anyone asks, you can 100%
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: play James Cook with their backup, Jameer Gibbs with one
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: of their backups. These guys are just really cheap and
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: kind of what makes it work. But I'm definitely interested
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: to hear Hoop's thoughts. I know he has Detroit Radio
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: on and all this stuff. If he has any lean,
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: I'm running back too.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Before we do that and before the pronunciation, please get
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: in here. I want to know, how did you say
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: that guy's name again?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I said it was Sione Vahiki.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's just Vahiki.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's Vahiki.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Sione Vahiki. Vahiki sounded cooler.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: I was looking and I was like, I think the
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: title just added like three or four letters into the
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: guy's last name.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: All them three extra letters are silent, but it's just Vahki.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: I told you guys before I said it that very
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: well probably butchering his name. He hasn't done shit for
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: me to know it yet.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: I bet he played at the end of last season,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: Towards the end of the season, someone got hurt.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: He was in there. Did he do anything? Probably not.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: It might have depended.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: But I'm with you, though. I do like him a
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: little bit here. I mean, short week, Gibbs, what, 35 touches? Like,
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: absolutely insane number. You got the blowout run, like, if
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that does happen, where, you know, Buffalo's up by three
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: touchdowns in the fourth quarter. 3K. So, yeah, I'm good
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: playing him. Definitely keep him in the player pool. uh
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: ownership i mean should not be much on uh baki
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: but we're showing oh seven it probably even could be
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: lower than that i don't know it is tough with
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: the value just because there's not a not a ton
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: but uh yeah i'm good with i kind of just
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: want to call him vahiki though now because i kind
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: of i kind of like that like it sounds it
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: sounds nice but he's like you know it does it
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: sounds better than baki vahiki sounds way better so what
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: do we got here what are the nuggets anything good
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: This one came up.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Actually, I remember this because I think it was, yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: that new one, like Mike Nuggets, NFL or whatever they posted.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: I saw the video of this last week and it
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: reminded me, I was like feeling like hoop watching the
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Detroit radio, but it was Campbell was saying about how
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Vaki is viewed as ready to contribute as a runner,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: protector and receiver. He said, and then Dan Campbell said
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: it by committee too. He said, now Vaki, I see
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Vaki getting some reps too. Now I don't see whatever
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: else he added to that. So the main thought was,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: that both of those guys could be in the mix
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and so how the game goes tonight we'll have to
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: see but it sounds like both of them could be
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: out there at least a little bit so when you're
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: 150 fools and stuff like that i think it would
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: at least be somewhat interesting um from that perspective.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah uh you know there's not really don't need to
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: say much about gibbs or cook like there's no more
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: of a discussion to be needed there but baki good
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: with him i mean i wouldn't struggle with sailors i
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: mean you said the dude didn't even hit the field
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: no he didn't yeah i mean i would uh Why
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: would they all of a sudden go to him over Bakke?
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So like Bakke and then on the Buffalo side, we
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: need to see on Ty Johnson. Is there any nuggets
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: in there on Ty Johnson? I'm curious about that just
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: because the news is limited. The latest I see is
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: limited practice going to need to see before the game
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: is you know whether or not he's good to go
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: but at 2k this was.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: From last night i looked it up earlier there was
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: something from four hours ago that hasn't hit this yet
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: for the nuggets but it did say that uh it
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: was just talking it was like a yukon article where
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: he went to school yukon hopes to see their guy
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: in the opening of the new stadium and and all
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of that stuff so we'll have to wait and see
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: but yeah it's it's one of those things that.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah because that is interesting like frank or junior actually
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: getting on the field uh would you say 400 bucks
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: like that would be something that's definitely welcome on the slate.
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: And it could be a slate where a goose egg
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: is in play or two fantasy points is what you
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: need out of a $ 200 or $ 400 guy. That's definitely
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: in play on the slate. So need to wait on that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Good with Vaki at 3K and then Gibbs and Cook.
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, they speak for themselves.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I was trying to look up, man, just to see
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: while we were doing this. Remember this guy? Title's hoping
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that Vahiki Rafiki, what is this guy's name? Rashiki or whatever.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: He pulled it up to this guy like on Lion King.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: He's hoping that that lifts him to the top of
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the tournament. And then there's this guy too, for the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: wrestling fans out there, Rashiki.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, dude. I do remember him for sure.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: He'll just put his ass in your face and just, man.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So there could be some stuff going down. Title might
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: be onto something tonight with these guys.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: You know, next to sharp fight and MMA fighter last
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: week was named Rahiki.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Oh yes. It was that. No, he got knocked out.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: He got knocked out.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: That was a hell of a fight, but you do
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: guys do remember the Rairdon conversation. We spent a lot
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: of random time on Rairdon, you know, talking about the name,
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: the pronunciation and look what happened.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Is that going to happen with our boy Fahiki tonight?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Well, I think Rikishi got kicked out the WWE. I
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: think Rafiki got old and passed away in the Lion
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: King series. And now this other dude lost the fight.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: This sounds like a losing cause right now.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: But there's two arguments.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: The other argument is last time we had a deep
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: conversation about somebody's name on the show. They scored the
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: first touchdown of the slate.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: It goes with this guy, man. Andrew. No, he said,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: I have no idea who to fade and who to play.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Here's a secret.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Nobody knows.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: So all the shows that you're watching that tell you
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: about like winners and we got this and all, they
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: don't know shit. No one does. But we, what we're
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: trying to do is help you play the game so
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: that you can think about these things. And I think
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: on a night like tonight, it's best to take some stance. Like,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: you know, this one's aggressive, but love the first profit.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Always coming in, dropping nuggets into the chat. Says people
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: just creating value, even if it doesn't exist. That's the
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: joke side of it. But what he said earlier, he
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: said fading Gibbs so I can leap the field. Well,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: it's aggressive fading Gibbs, but 75% of the field, maybe
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: 80 is going to have Gibbs in their lineups, whether
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: it's captain or flex. If you fade that, it's what
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I talk about all the time. You're in a room
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: of 100 people. 80 of them are going to have Gibbs,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: 20 of them are not. If you don't need Gibbs
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: at the end of the night, you get to jump
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: into the next room with 20 people and say bye-bye
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: to the other 80. So it's all how you're building
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: for the slate and making sure that you're dialed into
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: what everybody else is doing. That's all we can take
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: is the information we have at hand and then be
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: able to apply it. And that's really, like Nate says, process,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: lineup construction, composition. We want to try and think about
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that even more. So Hoop, I'll go back to you.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Do you have anything you heard on the radio from
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: these other guys or anything else you've got there? If not,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: you can take us into... the next position, but I'm
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: just curious if you had anything else at running back.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: We do have some sports talk radio info for the
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: wide receivers, which I'll get to. And I'm sure you
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: guys can kind of figure out who it is. And
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: it's been the topic for a while. But the other
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: guys like Amonra absolutely love them. I, you know, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: love them in the game script where I think that
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Buffalo scores a ton lines are going to be trailing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Like I think he could rack up a ton.
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: You know, we talked about those guys are so valuable.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: in this sort of format that can, can fully get
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: there without having to score a touchdown.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And that's a Monroe. I mean, he can rack, rack
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: up a ton, you know.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Eight to 10 catches, 120 to 150 yards.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Like that's, I don't know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: What's that 25, 26 fantasy points somewhere in that range.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Like that'll do the trick. So in on him a
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: ton DJ more looks cheap, but a lot of people
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: are going to see that just because of the, the
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: big week one performance. Uh, Jamison Williams bounce back spot.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was rough week one.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's just because not much preseason play.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I expect him to do much better. I think he's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: a good play. Shakir.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I'm always a Shakir guy, a little worried about him.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: You know, I think DJ Moore, Dalton Kincaid, who we'll
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: talk about next are kind of, you know, the one,
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: two there now and Shakir can be down to like
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: number three and not a ton of touchdown equity with
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: a guy like Shakir. Um, So the guy that's gotten
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: some talk, and I don't know, people talk about it
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: a ton, is Tesla. Said they want to get him
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: some reps.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Tesla.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: Title's got the proper pronunciation on him.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Like Tesla. Like Coleslaw. Another guy that hasn't done shit
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to deserve it.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Hasn't done anything, but man, when he gets the opportunity,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: he does it all.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: He has these amazing catches. Just needs opportunity. Does it come?
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know. He had a goose egg in week one. Um,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: I'll definitely be in on him, especially if I think
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: the lions are trailing and needing to pass the football.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: I think he's a good play. And then you got the,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: you know, random Keon Coleman, Joshua Palmer guys, I think
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: better suited in those, uh, uh, Josh Allen captain team. So, um,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: those guys, Coleman's 4k Palmer, was it just the one
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: touchdown that he caught last week?
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Um, It was, yeah, just one.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: One 34-yard touchdown he caught. So pretty random play. But again,
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: in Josh Allen captain teams where we're struggling with value,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: I think both those guys are fine options in Flex, Coleman, Palmer.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, pretty straightforward. I love Amonra, I
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: would say. He's the one I'm going to be trying
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: to be above the field on. And then Shakir is
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the one I'm probably not as excited about.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm curious, Lytle, where you're at, because Shakir, again,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: we'll see what he gets and what it actually shakes
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: out like. But when he's he's sort of right there,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: he's lower priced, actually, than Kincaid. But it's like people
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: are going to go to Kincaid more. Laporta, who's just
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: underneath him. Jamo, who's above him. It does feel like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: he's the forgotten man or the fifth of those five
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: that I just mentioned.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that.
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: To be honest, I think rightfully so. With DJ Moore
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: now in town and Kincaid fully healthy. I'm worried just
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: the ADOT's so small, like he really has to catch
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: like eight, nine balls, it feels like. I actually prefer
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: at ownership and at price since we need value. Joshua
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: Palmer and Keon Coleman, both of them are out there
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: running routes. Coleman played 50% of snaps last week. Joshua
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Palmer played 30% of snaps, and they're both showing about
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: 10% ownership. I can go to Sam Laporte and drop
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: down to one of them in very large field stuff
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: to get different.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Tyler Bass.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: Or Jake Bates and drop down to Palmer or Keon
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Coleman and leave the money. Probably prefer Palmer just because
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: he's 800 less. In a vacuum, I would say maybe Coleman.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: He played a little more snaps, but we know when
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: these guys are on, they're going to be on the field,
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: and when they're on the field, Josh Allen will throw
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: to anybody that's open, and he's so good. good at
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: buying time. And this defense is terrible. I think you
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: could have all the time in the world. I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: both Coleman and Palmer have decent upside on this slate
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: at low ownership and low pricing. And then, yeah, on
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: the Lions side, the only three receivers that got any
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: work at all was Aminra, Jamison Williams, and Tasla. Kalief
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Raymond getting out of there was Pretty big for Tisla,
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: at least like running routes. He was on the field
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: 70% of the time, but it was all cardio. And
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: until I see different, I think I'm just going to
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: continue to think that how is this guy going to
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: get a target when it's Amin Ra, J-Mo Gibbs is
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: the first three reads and Laporta is the fourth. So
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: I'm actually going to go Palmer and Keon Coleman ahead
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: of Tisla in that range down below.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: The thing I will say, like, you nailed a point there. Again,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: I just listened and kind of think how I think
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: there is what you said is perfect on that Detroit side.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: If they're up in the game, you got to think
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: it comes from the guys that we expect. If they're
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: down in the game, you got to think they throw
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: it to the guys that we expect. So to me,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it's like harder for that to be found. Now, what
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: could happen and we'll save it because we'll get there next.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: We go to tight end. I could definitely see like
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Brock Wright. getting a touchdown or something. That's where I'd
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: rather have value thoughts there. So as far as real values,
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: not the ones we're making up or showing wrestlers and
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Lion King dudes from, but just noting it, I do
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: think your point on Palmer Coleman. Um, and then again,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: if someone wants to pay up for probability Shakir, but
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: for the actual values down low of like 32 and
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: 4k on Palmer and Coleman, um, probably take my chances there.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Let those guys get in where they fit in. And
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: that's Josh Allen for you. I mean, he's going to,
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: he's the new age Mahomes. Like I talk about it.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: It's just, you got to play them. And I think
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I said it earlier, but Buffalo today, Buffalo, I think
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: there's another one coming up anyway, but yeah, we will
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: see Buffalo again, Detroit's on the, the Sunday game in
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: October to start it off too. So like we end
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: up seeing a lot of these teams in what feels
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: like a lot of these Island games. I think it's
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: going to be, a spot where you're getting, he'll just
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: spread it out a bunch. So those guys would make
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: more sense to me than trying to figure out the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: stuff on the Detroit side hoop. Anything else you want
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: to add? If not, you could take us into tight end.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, tight end.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Dalton Kincaid is probably one of my favorite
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: straight up plays on the slate. Um, 6,800 coming off
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: the big week. Um, you know, I think he's the
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: number one slash number two. It's him and DJ Moore,
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: the one and two options, maybe 1A, 1B. And that's
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: kind of why, you know, myself and title not as
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: interested in a guy like Shakir, because I just think
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: these are the top two options. I think Kincaid's a
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: phenomenal play. I think Sam Laporta, great play. I mean,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: and kind of need the value. And that's probably why
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: you're seeing the ownership discrepancy between the two. We're showing Laporta, 28, 27.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: So I do think more people end up going to
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Laporta than Kincaid. We're only showing it like a 2% difference.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I think it can be wider because people are going
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: to need that extra, extra money on the slate. So
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: both those guys, good plays. You know, I'll let title
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: kind of go in because he kind of knows the
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: snaps and how many snaps these, these backup, not backup guys,
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: but these, you know, cheaper Dawson Knox, Brock Wright, Hawes.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I'll let him talk about, Those three, because they're all
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: getting a projection and we need value on the slate.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: So I like the top two guys. Curious to see
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: what title says about these other ones, obviously. He's on mute. Man,
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: this is a wild start to the season where I
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: still haven't left the show for a.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Pee or talked on mute. And you guys have both left.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: You know what? No, I got a guy working outside
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of my backyard and he's like, hmm. So I've been
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: muting it for that. He could come back around, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: just noting it. What I said was, I just mentioned
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: the guy, Patrick Mahomes, and it's actually his birthday today.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: But I looked it up because the chat, I think
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: it was somebody here mentioned it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: Wavy Davey said, whoa, it's Ty Johnson's birthday today. Too
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: bad he's questionable. We'll see. People are thinking he's going
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: to get in the game. So we got to see
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: what happens tonight. But if he's active, yeah, a little
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: birthday action for Ty Johnson. as well. But a title,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: I'll let you take it from what Hoop had passed
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: over to you with the snaps and what you see
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: at the tight end position for sure. Yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: The bills are a team that's also run some 13
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: personnel and a decent amount of 12 personnel. They like
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: Kincaid on the field, but Dawson Knox is a good
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: blocker and can catch the ball a bit. And Jackson
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Hawes is a very, very good blocker. So they will
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: go some heavy stuff. If you're going to play three
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: tight ends, Knox play or Kincaid played 72% of snaps,
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Knox 67%, Hawes 43%. These guys are all cheap enough
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: where they're going to be on the field. Random things
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: can happen. Hawes is $ 600. Knox is $ 2, 800. Totally fine
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: with both of them. And then, yeah, Brock Wright on
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: the other side is $ 1, 800. And he played 50% of snaps.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Sometimes they're running two tight ends as well. So with
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: all that being said, these tight ends, obviously Laporta, Kincaid,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: we keep talking or have talked about them, but three
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: tight ends that are very cheap, that are going to
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: be low owned, and that are going to be on
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: the field quite a bit.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: And you guys know when.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: You get to the red zone, especially on Dan Campbell's side, anyone,
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: like you said, Skipper scored that game. Anybody is viable
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: to catch the football, and that six points goes a
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: long way. So, yeah, I'm going to play these backup
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: cheap tight ends because it's a way to get different
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: when I'm eating Josh Allen chalk and all these up
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: top guys that I do like a lot. I think
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: we have enough in terms of backup running backs, backup
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: tight ends, Coleman Palmer a little bit. there's enough ways
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: to get different while still playing the best plays in
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: most of your roster spots.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with all that. This was a good
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: one from Aaron. Always chiming in with the comments that
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: hoop consecutive show, no bathroom break counter needs to be
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: in the bottom, right? It's been going now. Like there
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: should be a counter. We might have to get that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: He's going to get a UTI cause he's holding it.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: I'm going to end up peeing my pants in the office.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Because of that title. That's what's going to happen. We
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: got to fill in today. What happened?
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: The UTI finally kicked in.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: Or I'll be wearing a Depends at some point here.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, buddy, at the Detroit, what was that? The Hard
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Rock Casino. People were rocking those. And we were in
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Michigan down at the slots. They'd be wearing the Depends
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: or the adult diapers or whatever so they don't have
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: to leave their bonuses on their Huff and Puff machines.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, man, they don't mess around on those slots, dude.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: They don't want to give up the bonus, man. They
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: think they're going to miss out. What I was saying earlier,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: just noting it, I know our guy Dollar Bill was
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: in the chat, said Brock Wright first TD incoming. That's
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: 65 to one. If you want to get it on
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: the action there, Vocky, that's even better. Vocky's only 60
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: to one. So if you're worried about your first touchdown bets,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: but then you're just going to watch Josh Allen walk
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: in or Gibbs walk in and start it off. And
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: then we just have to see, do they hit further
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: than that? Or is that spread out after that? But
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: I think this is what I was mentioning, whether it's
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Dawson Knox, Brock Wright, man, really, you know, Jackson Hawes, like,
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know, like any of these guys at their
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: price could be involved for mixing it up in that situation.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: The thing is it's, it's the bill side. That's more interesting.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Like I said earlier, because they do spread it out
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: more to me on the lions. It's like you said, Gibbs,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Amin Ra, JMO, Laporta, uh, if you want to sprinkle
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: a Vaki, a Tesla or a Brock Wright, but I
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: would rather just have Brock Wright. He's, you know, super cheap. Then,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you know, 1800 bucks. If you're going to do that
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: and just hope he disrupts it a little bit. But
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: on the other side, Josh Allen does spread it out enough.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Dawson Knox always, every time we play Kincaid or it's
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: supposed to be Kincaid game, it feels like it's a
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Knox game. Like it just happens or it's a, they
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: look the same, similar number. You're like, Oh, Oh yeah, no,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: it's Knox. That's Knox. So it happens, right? But you
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: got to look at it from that perspective. I think
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: they do spread it out a bit more. So you'd
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: have to look at what your roster construction looks like.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I also think that's another interesting thing, Hoop. I'll kick
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: it back to you for kickers and Ds. But if
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you had like a Josh Allen with someone in the
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: flex tonight, like even a 2-4 Josh Allen, whatever I'm saying,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: like it's a Buffalo captain and Josh Allen, and then
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a second guy from Buffalo in the flex. And then
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: you know how tight the... the roster concern, like, you know,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: how tight the, um, or how condensed I should say
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: the passing is and stuff on the Detroit side, you
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: could fill it out with four Detroit guys still no problem.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: So if you want to do that and then hope
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: that it's not anyone in particular on the bills outside
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: of it's Josh Allen up top, I think that's an
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: interesting way to build for some of your one to
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: three max stuff tonight. And then having some of those
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: in your portfolio could be a good idea as well,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: but hoop, I'll kick it over to you. Kickers, D's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: anything there?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: I always liked the kickers. I mean, They're cheap.
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: We need some, some, some value on the slate. Good
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: with both. Definitely prefer bass over baits. I mean, the
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: one drawback here to the kickers, it's very obvious, like
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: both these offenses will be very aggressive on fourth and one,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: fourth and two, fourth and three in the red zone.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: They'll both go for it, which definitely is a drawback
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: to the kickers. But if we do think it's a
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: high scoring game, they can make up for some of
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: that with some additional extra points. So good with both,
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: but man, I really like the Bills' defense here tonight.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: The Lions' offensive line dinged up. Goff can't move, cannot
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: escape pressure whatsoever. Almost had a– I mean, he should have.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a weird rule.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw that in the
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Lions and Saints game, but it was really a fumble.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: They picked it up.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: The Saints scored a touchdown, but it was ruled an
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: incomplete pass. I didn't realize that was the rule. Like
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: if your intention is to throw forward, but you get
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: hit and you actually throw backwards.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, since when? Right? That's been the rule.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was trying to figure that out because it
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: seemed pretty clear to me it was a fumble.
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: I thought your hand could still be moving forward, but
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: the ball has to move.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: That went way backwards. Yeah, it went backwards, but the
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: guy that Mike Pereira came.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Out and said if your intention is to go forward
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: and you get hit, it's still.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Considered a forward.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Pass, but I guess long story short, I mean it
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: would have been a touchdown for the defense like something
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: like that can happen where it is an actual fumble
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: tonight so really like the Bills defense I'll make sure
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: I get some of them and then Lions defense no
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: but I guess you know that anything can happen it's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: one play for for the defenses so as much as
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: I usually should on the defenses, I still keep them in,
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: but I'm usually underweight.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: But it would be tough for.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Me to envision a path to the Lions defense outside
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: of like a random touchdown tonight. But I do actually
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: really like the Bills defense and I'll make sure to
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: get them into my lineups tonight.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: And what are we, what's.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: The ownership looking like? Not that it matters all that much, 14, 15%.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I like the Bills defense quite a bit.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: I like that too. I think it was, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: James Cook, captain, uh, Bill's D I think Josh Allen,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: captain Bill's D I think those are, you know, just
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: a couple of interesting ways to do it. I know
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: like an onslaught or a five one, but I think like, again,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: when my takeaway earlier, like I said, only five ones
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: are going to be crazy popular. They never really are,
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: but when people do them tonight, I think a lot
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: of them will look a lot, uh, pretty much the
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: exact same. So that, that's what I was going to say.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Also shout out to Billy Madison. Remember this one movie?
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: You're not cool unless you pee your pants over there.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious too, by the way, Dan Campbell-esque. Someone said
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: it might've been Ben Johnson when he was there, but
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell can do this too. Someone that comes in
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: as one of the new O-linemen is actually part of
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: the sneak special play that he's got saved for some
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: other time. And they're like in a game tonight where
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: they need it. And so they, you know, the way
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: the game goes, like let's just bust it out now.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: And that guy's ready to go. And they make him
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: active ready and then put them in and run the play.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: That could happen for sure. So that could be, speaking
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: of one play, that could definitely be something. Let's see.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: Anything else? No. Title, anything you want to add on
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: the kickers in defense or how you might be using
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: them tonight? Just thoughts there. People did mention Lions D
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: and how Josh Allen can make plenty of mistakes over
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: his time, but what's your thoughts on the kickers and
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Ds here?
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, sure, I guess, but not what I'm
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: going to be hoping or cheering for today. There's enough Coleman, Palmers,
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Wrights of the world. There's enough value. Frank Gores, if
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: Ty Johnson's out, I do not like Lions D one bit.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I think they get carved up. Bill's defense, a little
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: more interest. Still don't love it. They're low enough on though, sure.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: I think Bass is a phenomenal play, but I'm worried
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: that 22% gets a little steam. Him and Laporta just
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: are screaming great mid-tier options. So a little worried there.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: But again, there's enough value that we talked about at
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: these skill position stuff where you can go any kicker
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: defense and find a Tesla, Palmer, Coleman, Knox, and leave
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: the money just 1v1s. And I wouldn't be surprised if
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: they get outscored at all. And last thing I do want,
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: If someone in chat knows, like, is that a rule change?
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Has it always been like that? Because I don't– yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that wasn't the play. I mean, if you
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: get a chance, go back and look at it. The
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: arm was clearly coming forward, but when he threw the ball,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: it was behind the line of scrimmage.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: So he was throwing it, and it went like.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: It happened in the Denver game too. Bo Nix against
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: the same thing, and they called it. So I don't
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: know if it's a new rule or if I just
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: have been a donkey this whole time.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: It must be a new rule.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: It must have changed at some point because that was
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: never the case. If you throw it and it goes–
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: You throw it backwards, it's considered a fumble. And the
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: players thought it was a fumble. Everyone thought it was
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: a fumble, but then they reviewed it and said incomplete
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: because it's your intentions.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: I think that changed. I don't know. It could be wrong.
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: I feel like if it did change, they should have
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: said it changed. Like they did a terrible job explaining it.
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: And again, I don't know. I'm not a ref. I
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: don't get paid for it. So I was confused.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: What did you say? Because, I mean, this is just
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: quickly on it. It said Bo Nix had a play rule.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I went to the Bo Nix one because he mentioned
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: it popped up. The other one didn't. It said... Had
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: a play ruled as an incomplete pass rather than a
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: fumble because officials determined his arm was moving forward while
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: he was behind the line of scrimmage. The rule context
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: under NFL rules, if a passer is behind the line
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage and his arm is moving forward with intent
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: to pass when the ball comes loose, it is ruled
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: an incomplete pass rather than a fumble.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: They must have changed that because that's the term that
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: Mike Pereira used. His intention was to throw it forward.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: So that must have changed. Like if you're intending on
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: throwing it forward, but you get hit, And it doesn't
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: go forward.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: It's all about intention now. Correct.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: Do you know when– did it say when that rule
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: was changed or anything on there? No.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: It just shows– It had to be just this.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Year because it was always a fumble in the past. Like,
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: they never even talked about that. Like, if it comes
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: out as a pass and is going backwards, it's a fumble.
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: That was always the case. It must have changed.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: At least they'll stay consistent. I mean, they did it
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: with Bo Nix. They did it in the Lions game.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Like, it happened week one. Now we know. Like, as
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: long as you get consistency.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, yeah, like people said, let's bring more subjectivity
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: into this just so you can make it even harder.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: You know, no, no sense making it easy. That's the
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: way it usually goes.
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: Um, all right.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Was there anything else I was just trying to, Oh,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: the other thing I was going to ask you about
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: title just while I had you there, because somebody mentioned
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it earlier. And I think it was a guy, Timmy
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: dubs in the ship and nation discord said he might
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: not be able to make it live. I haven't seen him. Um,
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: did you, I just forget. And we didn't really spend
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of time on it. I talked about playing
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: some of those mid range guys up top, but any
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: thoughts on, uh, using the kickers in captain tonight?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to.
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: I think these offenses are good enough to punch it
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: in when they do get down there and the willingness
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: for both teams to go for it on kind of
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: short yardage stuff. When kickers are up top, and again,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I rarely do it, so maybe I'm not the person
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: to ask, but I kind of tell myself that it's
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: more of a low scoring game.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Both offenses can stall and that.
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: Five field goals or four field goals is like, yeah,
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: the most points pretty much.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: So I'd be surprised today if today was the day.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, funny enough, this is, again, I've already prefaced it,
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: but I'll do it again. But it has nothing to
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: do with that game, just noting it. That one game
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: I brought up earlier of Detroit Buffalo when it was
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: like 48 to 42 or 44, whatever it was, Bass,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I think he had two 50-yarders plus a 40-yarder and
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: six extra points. So what would that mean? It was like.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: 50-yarders, 10, 40-yarder, 14... About 20. But still would have
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: been nowhere near the captain optimal that game, which is
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: what the other big dogs did.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And you had Goff at 494 yards, five TDs. You
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: had Amun-Ra at 10 for like 178 and a touchdown.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: You had a seven for one.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Shakir.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: You had all these other guys going off. So it
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: just does make it seem really difficult. Like I said earlier,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: what you're building for. If you're building for like this
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: crazy under, but even then, is the kicker going to outdo? Again,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: you need all those dudes to fail. Amun-Ra, both quarterbacks. uh,
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Gibbs cook everything. You need a lot to go your way.
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: So I think I'd be more inclined to do like a, uh,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Shakir Laporta, JMO more, something along those lines where you're
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: going to be able to still eliminate needing those values
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that everybody else is going to be trying to pick through.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Cause we were, um, as first profits that like making
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: up values on the go, not, not really, but also
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: kind of, so that makes it sense for sure. Yobi
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: tries his back, man. Got the world championship and said,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: how many grams of protein are in that shaker? What's
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: the number?
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: I had it right before I came on just a
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: full scoop, which I think is 30 grams, but this
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: is just stone cold water.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So. All right.
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: Well, any more questions, Yobi? Throw your money in the chat.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: By the end of the season, like this could be
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: like the hoop tracker for the count up. See how
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: much Yobi gives us each show.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: We'll be retired, man.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Yobi, it's okay to give like five cents.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: I'll still answer for you. Or zero cents.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: Or just type it in chat.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I respond to these people in chat anyway. Now you're
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: in good with us, man. Like all you got to
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: do is post a question.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: Back in the building, Steven neighbors worldwide. He says, hoop,
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: that hoodie is fire, bro.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: That's nice. It's a little thin. I don't even know. Technically,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be like a thin material thing. So perfect
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: for this time of year. I don't even know where
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I got it from. Yeah.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: And Ty, that's funny. He brought that same– yeah, back
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: to neighbors. That was funny too on that game. It
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with tonight. It's just hilarious to
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: look up. Ty Johnson actually did go nuclear in that game.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: He had like 114 yards or something like that, I think. So, yeah,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: I saw that too. All right. Did you have anything
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: on FanDuel that you saw?
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: No.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: Shakir is even tougher click over there, 8,200. Man, it
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: would be tough for him, I think, to be in
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: the inoptimal sort of team. Kickers, defense, all priced in
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: a similar range. You go down to these value plays.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: Keon Coleman, 5,600. That's kind of a real price tag.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's right there below the kickers and the defenses.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: That's probably a pretty tough click.
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Tesla. Tesla.
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: At $ 2, 800, I do like quite a bit. I'm going
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: to be in on the Tesla stuff. I mean, I
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: don't care. I was in on him for Best Ball.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I was in on him for all this other stuff.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I'm just going to continue on. Every time they've given
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: an opportunity, he's made a legitimate play, I guess. So
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: if he gets any sort of opportunity, it can turn
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: into something big. So I'm going to continue to ride him.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: He's only $ 2, 800. I think a really good price tag there.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Palmer, $ 3, 200. I know Title liked those guys. Palmer is.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: $ 2, 400 cheaper than Coleman. And then you got like Ty Johnson, 5K. That's,
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: you know, you got to kind of do something at
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: those price tags. So a lot of this stuff, pretty
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: similar overall, a couple pricing differences for sure.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Is he talking about, we were talking about neighbors, our boy.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: So maybe you should play Shakir. Just make it, just
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: use it to flip the whole thing around. Cause you
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: asked the question right after he said, Shakir would need
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: a lot. So maybe you should just do that. By
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: the way, Joshua Palmer, uh, making it more value here.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: It's his birthday on Tuesday. So this would be his
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: chance to get his birthday touchdown would be, you know,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: the week two touchdown for Joshua Palmer. So maybe he's
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: the guy over there. I don't have too much else
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: to add when it comes to that title. Any final
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: thoughts from you?
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: I know the, the, birthday people out there were kicking
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: rocks for the first three quarters with Jawan Johnson's goose
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: egg until he kind of finally got there. But no, yeah,
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: nothing too much more to add on FanDuel. Like Jackson Hawes,
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Frank Gore Jr., Tislau, Maybe Jacob Saylors, if you want
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: to take that chance. Those guys are all really, really
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: cheap punts on FanDuel that allow you to easily spend
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: for the Josh Allens, the Gibbs, the studs.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: That we want.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: And yeah, Shakir's price, only $ 400 different from.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: DJ Moore on FanDuel.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: To be honest, maybe I even like it more on
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: FanDuel and just like, all right, you get all the
• 59:42
  Speaker 4: leverage and the ownership discounts. And if he does it
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: and the flex, that's a complete way to get different.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: But the problem is it's even harder. Shakir's style fits
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: even worse on FanDuel than DraftKings. with that half point
• 59:53
  Speaker 4: versus full point. So he really needs to get a touchdown,
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: but no hoop covered it.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm excited.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: We got a, a great Thursday night football game. So yeah,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: I'm expecting some points. Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Shakir looks like Rikishi almost. If you just put the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: words in a scramble, missing the a, but just saying,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: maybe that's where we were going with that one tonight.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: It's a Shakir night, but I do think somebody said here, like,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: would you play Knox in a lineup for draft? We
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: talked about a little bit earlier, but again, it's like,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I don't see it as, you know, like Ingram the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: other night, like a five, one, the other side, and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: then you got Knox in the lineup. I definitely don't
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: see that. But if you have Josh Allen and the
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: captain just chucking it to a bunch of dudes or
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: whoever he could be spreading it out to, that'd be
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: a way to get a Josh Allen lineup that doesn't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: play Ty Johnson. If he even plays, we'll have to
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: wait and see, but just noting it, if he plays,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a popular value. So that would
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: be something to keep in mind where you'd be able
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: to get different that way. People do like Kincaid. People
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: do like Moore. you know you'd end up being able
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: to fill it out up the middle you could keep
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: more or you could just move over to those detroit
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: guys where it's super condensed like i talked about so
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: just just think about how you're playing it not who
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: it is anything can happen nobody knows who's going to
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: do everything or else we would just build these insane
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: parlays every night and just crush it's like build the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: exact line it wouldn't be fun if that was the
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: case and everybody wants to win money and it is
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: fun when you win but there'd be no game to
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: play if we knew the answers so hoop any final
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: thoughts from you man before.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: We get out of here Fun game to kick off
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: week two. I mean, just excited to watch it from
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: an entertainment standpoint, you know, despite the big DFS. So
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: good game to kick off week two. And we'll continue
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: on with all our content here throughout the week. So
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: make sure to tune in to all the shows. And
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: the three of us will be back Sunday morning, 9 a.m.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Eastern to cover the full slate. So, yeah, let's let's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: get the week off to a good start here and
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: continue on.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you guys want to check out Ship It
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Games or Ship It Nation, go to the site. Like
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: you said, the games. So we got Detroit Buffalo tonight.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: It should be good no matter what. Like you said,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: no matter how it plays out, it'll either be back
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: and forth or close or whatever we get should be good.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's Indy KC on Sunday night. It's the Giants at
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: the Rams on Monday. It's Atlanta at Green Bay. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: this is kind of where the season kicked us off good.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: And then some people say those are good games too,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: but I'm saying they're not going to be much better
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: than this game or an Island game at least for
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: a little while. But we will be back, like you said, tomorrow.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: Title's got the cash game countdown. Bust that out quick.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Everybody loved it last week. So they got all they
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: needed fast. Got all the information. Could take it. You
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: can use that to think about your tournament play. Because
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: once you sort of know what those values are and
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: how people are using them, that's how you can work
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: off of that. That's what I do, at least. So
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: shout out the title there. We've got Saturday with Leverage Lane.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: Sunday morning, we've got the show with the three of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: us for Sunday Shippers. And then after that, we've got
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: Contrarian Constructions with Bellman and Hamm. And then later in
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: the day, we've got ham and nades doing the Sunday
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: sweat down. Going to be a lot of fun coming
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: to that soon. I'll probably, you'll fill everybody in. I'll
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: talk to title and hoop after this is actually going
• 1:02:41
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• 1:02:43
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• 1:02:47
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• 1:03:00
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• 1:03:02
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• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this one, guys. For Hoop,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: for Tidal, and for myself, ToeTag, and Tambo, good luck
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: in your contest tonight. Let's ship it!