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PODCAST: Episode 733 - Paradise Slaves’ Jon Kita & Ryan Manning Talk Debut Album With Hell In His Eyes · Ghost Cult Magazine Podcast

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  We were just having fun doing it.
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  If it's all the light of day, great.
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  If a couple people listen to it, even better.
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  So with those expectations as a working point, working forward
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  with them, that is super helpful because all of a sudden people
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  don't have different expectations for the final
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  product. So as long as there's that
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  communication there or whatever like that in any band, it's like
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  being in a relationship before the people.
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  You know it takes time, it takes effort, and if you don't put
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  out, you know that what you need to, you're not going to get back
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  what you're expecting. Welcome back everybody.
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  It's OJ from Ghost Club Magazine and I am here with Paradise
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  slaves John and Ryan. What's up?
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  What's up fellas, How you doing? Good, good, man.
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  It's been a minute. First of all, love the new
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  record. It's a good record.
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  I don't know what to call it yet.
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  I don't know if it's, it says people call it a metal core.
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  I don't know if it's metal core. It's, it's it's own weird.
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  I think it's own little weird little thing.
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  It kind of skates the line of a lot of different genres in my
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  ears, so. That's precisely what we're
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  going for. Whatever works for you, there's
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  something we we always say there's something for everybody,
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  especially on this record. You know, everyone's a writer,
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  everyone has their own thing they bring to the table.
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  So when we collaborate, everyone puts their own sort of
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  ingredient into the song. And while you hear the, you
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  know, trying to think of the good word of it, but, you know,
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  it's a very eclectic record, I guess.
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  I agree. It's very, I won't say it's like
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  all over the place, but it's all over the place in a good way.
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  Yeah, yeah, kind of, you know, like in a face.
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  No more way, you know? Yeah, yeah, cuz like that first
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  song, the first song on that record, it just oh shoot, I need
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  to pull up the album track listing.
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  That would help me. We know which one you're talking
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  about. We know which song you're
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  talking about because it just doesn't happen to be the first
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  one. So, but yeah, it's kind of a bit
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  of a, am I playing the right record?
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  For those, yeah, for those, yes, yeah.
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  For those who watch the sea, it's very, I was like, wait,
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  what's yeah. That first minute, that first
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  minute of that song is like, oh, this is the whole time.
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  I'm thinking, OK, this is what it's going to be like for the
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  the whole thing. Then it kicked in and it tricked
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  me. I'm glad you said that because I
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  I kind of want to take a little bit of credit.
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  I mean, not for the song. That's totally John Kita.
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  He just did a great job. But yeah, dude, I was like, this
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  has got to be track 1. Let's throw them all off right
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  out of the gate. Yeah, for all the people that
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  have been waiting to hear Brock's voice again, to have
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  something just kind of a little low key, kind of started off and
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  then his voice very isolated and very right out there.
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  I when Brian brought that up, I was like, I, yeah, I can get
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  behind that man, that kind of a thing.
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  So yeah, for those who watch the sea, it's dedicated to
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  lighthouse keepers, wherever you may be.
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  Right on. We're talking about it.
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  Me and my partner, we're talking about the record because he, he
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  heard it too. And I heard it and he's like, he
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  knew I was going going for it. I was like, hey, what I heard
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  like I knew. But I I obviously know you,
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  John, for a very long time. Right.
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  Right. So I've heard, I've heard this,
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  I've heard of song or two like a couple years ago.
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  So I know this product has been in the works for a good while
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  so. Very true.
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  So my question is, what's up with the name Paradise slaves?
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  Come on bro, whose idea was that?
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  Come on. Oh, man, we're going there.
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  We're going right there. We're going right there.
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  You have every right to ask that question.
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  A lot of people, a lot of people do have.
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  I do have that question. No, but no 100% because it's
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  it's a word that as soon as it's even said, as soon as it's even
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  uttered or written on a page or whatever like that, it conjures
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  up a whole lot of stuff in connotation.
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  So I believe it was Brock he was reading something about not to
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  don't. Know Brock's fault?
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  It's. All it's all Brock fault.
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  It's all Brock fault. But he was reading, he was, he
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  really got into a number of things about the the Zodiac
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  killer when a whole lot of this information was kind of coming
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  to light based off of new research or whatever.
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  And one of the, I guess the rants that he he had when he
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  said the Zodiac Killer sent a whole bunch of things to a
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  paper, a newspaper, and they printed it was that all the
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  people that he killed would become his slaves in paradise.
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  And he was, and he was like paradise slaves.
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  That just sounds weird. And like when he brought it up,
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  he was like, guys, you know what, I got an idea, whatever.
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  But as soon as he said it, I was like, OK.
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  But at the same time, I was like, there is a modern day
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  correlation in a way that we are just completely, 100% reliant on
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  so many things in life and just absolutely without them.
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  Like without, without our phone, without our zoom, without that
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  kind of a thing I do, we're lost in a way.
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  And so like that, that that correlation to me made sense or
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  that's how I, I rectified it in my head in the moment.
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  I was like, I guess we are kind of, you know, for lack of a
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  better term, we are suckers for this inevitable or this goal
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  that may or may not be reachable in life.
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  And so we're just kind of like a slave to that goal or that ideal
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  for better or worse. So that that's what I, that's
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  what I take from it. Yeah.
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  Zodiac Killer. It's.
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  Zodiac. Yeah, totally.
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  Zodiac Killer it was. Yeah.
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  And then there's all also, if you do your research on the
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  Google machine, you can actually see it.
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  There's a visual that there's, there's a cipher that the Zodiac
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  killer sent to the San Francisco Times and it, it literally
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  spells out paradise slaves. And paradise is actually spelled
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  with AC at the end. And so we obviously didn't want
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  to. I mean, it kind of reads like
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  paradise slaves, which is kind of weird, but I'm not, you know,
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  I'm not really. I'm not the Zodiac killer.
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  So I I, I don't know how he thinks, but.
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  Are you sure that you weren't out there in your diapers just
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  like stabbing kids? It was me.
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  It was me. Yeah.
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  Yeah. No, I'm just kidding.
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  But there's a visual representation of the name.
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  If you if you Google it, you will see it and there's really
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  not other, you know, there's really not much to think about
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  it. I mean, it has ruffled a few
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  feathers, but you know, if you, if you Google Zodiac Killer,
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  then it'll, it'll make sense from there.
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  It'll make a whole lot more sense than Jess.
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  All right, cool, cool. I had to.
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  I had to just fucking mess with you guys.
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  I was like, I like it doesn't value.
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  It's an interesting name. It's like you might as well get
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  it out with me who I understand it and not be like, I know other
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  people will take it so defensively because I was
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  cracking up. It's like, but I there was that
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  band, there was another band I'll slaves.
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  I was like, yeah. There's not even.
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  A black guy in the band. I was like, I don't.
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  I was like, I don't know if I want to call it.
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  There's nobody that I don't. Well, yeah, Well, there's also.
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  There's also. Weird bad names.
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  Just weird name choices, but. There's also a band called
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  Audioslave. So I mean, and I love Audioslave
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  and I, you know, I mean, it just kind of, I come from, you know,
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  I come from a scene of just, that's the name of the band, you
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  know, OK. I mean, there's a band from
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  Boston called Anal Cunt. So.
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  So you know, yes, yes. RIP Seth.
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  Was it Seth Putnam? Seth Putnam?
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  Yeah, dude. But like, yeah, that dude was
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  crazy. But like, you know, that's what
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  he was going for. So I mean, it depends.
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  I guess it just depends how open minded people are.
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  Yeah. Yeah, you know how?
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  So this shirt right here is wearing this club called
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  Wetlands. It was.
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  Remember that place? Yeah, I remember.
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  That's where I met. I met Seth there for the first
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  time. So first time I saw anal cunt
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  was there. So I was like, I was like.
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  Are you serious? Yeah, they played this thing
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  called Devstock, so I was like 17 at the time, 1617.
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  It was them carnivore, so it was.
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  Like it was like, Oh yeah, yeah, you got a big, you got a big fan
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  of a Type O Negative right here, so.
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  Yeah, dude. Life of agony too.
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  Life of agony rules. Cool to the wetlands.
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  I remember like, there's like all kinds of YouTube videos of
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  them playing there. So yeah, I'm all about.
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  I love the New York scene, dude. I just love it.
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  Yeah. You're not.
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  You've never got away. Yeah, you can always go visit.
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  OK, Go. Do you remember the car that had
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  all those stickers on it? There was a car inside the
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  wetlands. Do you remember that little
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  time? Yeah, I, I.
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  We played, we played there once with leeway and we got there, we
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  were like, how did you get this car in here?
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  And they're like, the door was bigger.
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  I worked. Oh, OK.
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  The door must have been bigger at some point.
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  They got the car in there, but every single man had like
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  ticketed it up with all of their, you know, stickers and
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  all that kind of a thing and it was just completely covered.
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  Remember that thing? It was like a tiny ass car, but
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  it was. I vaguely remember it.
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  There's so many clubs that are just gone.
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  It's like I've done. They're like, let's go around
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  town and see places that used to be a thing, like the
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  Continental. Continental is gone.
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  So it's like, yeah, it's a, it's a condo now.
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  It's like, it's like Coney Island High.
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  It makes me sad. It's apartment buildings,
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  Roselands, a condo. Now you know.
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  Me and John took a selfie at the old CBS when I was I was in town
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  with playing a gig. And he was like, I want to see
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  the CBS now. And I'm like, yeah, sure.
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  So we all walked over there and it was like.
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  Clothing. Yeah, it's like a clothing store
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  or something. Like.
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  Bummer. It is, I think at one point,
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  though I don't know if it's still there.
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  I don't know which terminal it is at.
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  Or was that at Newark Airport? There's like a CB GB store.
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  Yeah, yeah, I think. I think it was terminal C at at
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  at Newark, but I but it was trippy as it was trippy as hell
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  going in one day and I was like, oh wow, it kind of feels like
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  CBG BS in the airport. There's no way that they could
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  capture the bathroom or like legitimately when when it
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  started kind of like getting torn down when it was going to
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  become the John Vavardo store. Whole bunch of people apparently
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  went there because they were tearing up the stage and people
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  wanted like pieces of the stage. Well, Vinny, Vinny Stigma is
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  this. I do this piece of wood on his
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  wall and I'm like, what's that? And he was like, it's the stage.
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  It's the stage. Fucking Seabees.
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  I was like, holy shit. And he told me that everybody
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  went down there and just kind of like everybody got a piece.
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  Obviously, you know, Agnostic Front being one of those bands.
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  It was just there. Put that place on the map.
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  You know what I mean? Yeah, they, yeah, they probably,
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  they probably, I don't know, it's, it's probably their right
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  to take most of the articles of that place for sure.
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, there's actually remind me to, to, to give you guys the
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  link, but there is a digital tour of CBG BS that they did the
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  resolutions a bit off. It was like one of those 360
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  cameras. And so it's, it's almost like
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  Google Maps when you drop the little floppy guy down and you
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  just say on the Street View, but you can walk around the, the,
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  the entirety of CBG BS as as it was taken.
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  I don't know, maybe like about a year before it actually got
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  demolished. So.
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  That's awesome. We're definitely going to got to
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  get that nostalgia trip. Yeah, man.
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  And Speaking of nostalgia, you guys have all been in various
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  bands over the years. You've got, I guess I've known
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  you for 20 years. And, and Brock popped out of
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  nowhere to me in this project. And I was like, oh, he's still
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  in Alaska. And I'm like, Oh yeah, he's
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  still in Alaska. And how did this thing pop up?
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  From what I saw, Tyler, your other guitar playing partner,
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  like he was doing his solo record, one of his solo records
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  and he had him do against vocal. Is that that's right thing
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  originally started? Yeah, that was the, that was
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  sort of the seed that was planted.
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  Yeah, definitely Tyler and Brock.
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  You know, I can, I can only speak from my, my standpoint,
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  but I, I know that they had collaborated early in like
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  2019-2020 on Tyler's solo record.
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  And I think what the plan was just to kind of put together a
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  band to play those songs and then COVID happened.
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  So I mean this as far as how I kind of go, I mean, this kind of
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  leads how I got into the project.
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  But Tyler had seen a, you know, obviously we're all doing drum
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  videos during the pandemic because, you know, we can't play
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  gigs, we can't do anything. So he had saw one of my drum
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  videos and started, you know, he commented on it and I commented
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  back and we just started kind of growing down.
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  And then I went to hang out with him and, you know, he was just
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  like, you know, I don't, I don't really know.
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  Like, you know, with everything going on, I'm not really sure
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  about the whole solo band, but you know, just just hang like,
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  like, you know, and, and I remember John being, you know,
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  John I met, I had, I had originally met John back, you
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  know, years ago being a huge die cast fan.
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  But you know, fast back forward to 2021, I was, you know, sort
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  of reintroduced to John. And sooner or later Brock and
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  Tyler basically were just like, hey, let's just form like a new
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  band. And then we started
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  collaborating remotely and, you know, 2 1/2, three years later,
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  we got a batch of songs and a label somehow got interested.
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  And you know, that's kind of kind of where we are now, so.
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  In that order, like you came in third, then John and and Brad.
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  Well, Jay had always been a ride to die.
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  You ride or die so. Yeah, I was gonna say you.
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  No matter what Tyler's like. Tyler, Tyler and John are like
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  peanut butter and Jelly, man. Like, yeah, John, yeah.
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  He had mentioned when like, Tyler's like, oh, my friend
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  John. John Keita.
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  I was like John Keita from Diecast.
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  What? They could be played in bands.
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  God. I mean, like Tyler had a band
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  called Once Beloved that he started.
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  Like, yeah. Yeah, in.
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  High school and when they lost a guitarist, I offered to play,
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  you know, some shows and that kind of a thing.
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  And then we just kind of stuck together for quite some time
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  present, you know? Yeah.
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  So, yeah. So Tyler already had John sort
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  of, you know, in the mix, you know, all, you know, he's the
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  right, his right hand man, so to speak.
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  And, you know, just kind of he started, you know, he found me,
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  found me on the Internet. But we had, I mean, we had
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  crossed paths at some point in real life.
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  But basically it came from, yeah, it all stemmed from that,
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  that that original collaboration between Tyler and Brock,
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  essentially. Cool.
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  Yeah, and then and then you say like he did a little time in
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  Diecast too. He did like a little couple of
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  tours with Diecast and everything too.
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  So you could say it's like, oh, it's more like the Super group.
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  It's like out Diecast meets 36 crazy Fists and it's very again,
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  it's like it's very impressive that it doesn't sound like 36 or
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  die cast. It's very you guys have done
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  something that's very impressive.
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  I'm sure it's easy to go to the well of like, well, do people
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  know what's for this kind of sound and this kind of style?
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  And you guys, you guys like I was like, wait a minute.
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  All right, that sounds a little die cast.
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  Yeah, kind of like none of this sounds like 36 at all.
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  So like, yeah, nothing to me sounds like 36 at all.
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  It's like there's some really cool, like heavy, like heavier
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  vocals. I wasn't expecting from him to
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  be that that heavy. And in some of the singing
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  stuff, he the singing, the the cleaner vocals are just yeah,
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  the melodies, like the the melodies like especially back on
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  the cease on the first song that meant that chorus hook.
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  That's a beautiful melody. And then like you guys are
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  singing too. According to the video, you guys
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  are. Singing Yeah, yeah, yeah I.
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  Don't have any of the minor notes of who's in it.
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  Because, well, the, the problem is, is you know, Brock is at 100
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  and then myself and Ryan, we bring that all down to like 75%
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  and that kind of stuff by adding it.
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  But yeah, we, we all, we all sing live and everything, do all
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  sorts of harmonies and and whatnot.
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  But I think that no matter what, if anybody listens to this
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  album, they're, they're listening for certain things,
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  you know, whether or not it's if it's completely blind taste test
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  awesome. But at the same time, you know,
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  Steve Hall was the like one of the, the elements of 36 crazy
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  fits that was so unique along with Brock because of what he
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  wrote and what they collectively brought together.
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  So I his voice is something that if you are a huge fan of 36
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  crazy because you will most definitely enjoy this by by
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  proxy. But yeah, the, the music.
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  I mean, like I, I would hate to disappoint any, you know,
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  hardcore 36 crazy fist fans, because some, some of those
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  songs are so good. We're we're first and foremost
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  36 and you know, Brock fans just in general.
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  So I, I'm always grateful when I hear that.
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  And dude, I'm blown away when you just see people just the,
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  the way that they're like, this is not for me, but I'm so glad
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  to just see Brock and hear his voice again, You know what I
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  mean? Even if it's on something new.
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  And that that is just like a man.
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  They stood by this dude and love him that much that they're, you
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  know, willing to take a risk on something, whatever they get and
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  even comment, even if they're not a huge fan of stuff.
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  So I'm like I it's a, it's a love fest for Brock and I'm glad
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  to see it happen. Oh absolutely, yeah, I agree
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  with that too. I was like, yeah, some of the
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  songs like, yeah, like, like, obviously I can't.
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  I'm a more metal thrashy guy. So yeah, you have some like
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  nice, like hard, not hard, like middle.
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  Yeah, you got some nice, like good chugging, chucking songs.
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  But then you got some like some real bangers.
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  Like I was like, yo, like, like Swim N is like, all right, that
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  OK, we're doing something here. And especially like for me, like
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  with Helen in his eyes, I'm just like, oh, OK, this is getting
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  this. Did you guys move to Sweden to
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  do this song? It's very.
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  Bad, Yeah. No joke, that was that was the
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  first song that was ready for this album, Hence I think why
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  the everybody kind of decided like we should call it with with
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  Helen in his eyes. But that was I think one of the
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  songs that was meant to be on Tyler's second solo album, dark
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  versus Part 2. And so I think out of all the
• 16:56
  people that he worked with on the vocalist on dark versus Part
• 17:00
  1, he just got like along with Brock so well and they work so
• 17:04
  well and there was just this real great give and take.
• 17:06
  And so I think for a long time, Brock didn't really want to put
• 17:10
  himself out there with another band, you know, and but this
• 17:12
  would work so well. And it was so different, I guess
• 17:14
  that they were like, let's let's keep doing this.
• 17:17
  And at the very least I've got another song.
• 17:19
  And he presented him with with hell in his eyes.
• 17:22
  And I think the demo vocals were tracked on that before we even
• 17:24
  really kind of like got together as a quote UN quote.
• 17:27
  Hey, could we make a band out of this?
• 17:29
  And because of that, that was like the first song that was
• 17:32
  even in the the barrel, like when we went to go say like, Oh,
• 17:35
  let's put together an album. And we're talking like, like
• 17:38
  we're, we're talking like summer of 2021.
• 17:43
  Like that's, that's a long, it's, you know, I mean, short at
• 17:46
  the same time, but like, I mean, this collaboration has been,
• 17:51
  it's been through like a few years, but it, it honestly still
• 17:55
  feels a few months. It, it, it feels like it just
• 17:58
  started happening. You know, we've always, we,
• 18:00
  we've, we actually have, you know, I think everyone does it
• 18:03
  now. The being the way, you know,
• 18:05
  technology is. But we, we have the, we have
• 18:08
  this band chat that literally Brock tells us.
• 18:12
  I think he's been telling us good morning every morning for
• 18:15
  about four, yeah, almost four years straight.
• 18:19
  It's it seems if we don't hear good morning for at least on
• 18:22
  Eastern Standard Time by like 930, we're like everything OK,
• 18:27
  OK, because dudes an early riser and he grinds the whole day.
• 18:32
  But I think it's just one of those things that became
• 18:34
  routine. And the thing was like when we
• 18:35
  first started, it was like, should we have a group chat?
• 18:37
  Of course we should have a group chat or whatever.
• 18:38
  I was like, I can't imagine this, you know, other than band
• 18:41
  related stuff, just kind of it, it'll ebb and flow or whatever
• 18:44
  like that. It's like, no, every single day,
• 18:46
  which is awesome, you know what I mean?
• 18:47
  Because that's, yeah, man, it, it keeps everybody in that same
• 18:50
  kind of just like scope of things, you know?
• 18:53
  Especially when everybody's not next to each other like you used
• 18:55
  to, like the, like the old and the glory days.
• 18:58
  It's like, Oh yeah, you're like 10 minutes, 20 minutes away.
• 19:00
  You know, everybody used to be close most physically, and now
• 19:03
  it's like, all right, you're a couple hours away driving.
• 19:07
  If you would just put or, or a flight, if you were to put tax
• 19:11
  in a map, you would be able to hold the map up.
• 19:13
  It's that far away. You know what I mean?
• 19:15
  Between Anchorage, AK and Massachusetts, it's like boom.
• 19:18
  I think it would be a little bit skewed in One Direction or
• 19:20
  something like that. But at the same point, it does
• 19:23
  keep people together and and Omar, you know, this, I mean,
• 19:25
  like, dude, but my sugar was doing this trading songs, you
• 19:30
  know, with the Superior Drummer and that kind of stuff dating
• 19:32
  back to destroy a race and prove and moving forward.
• 19:35
  So it's always been one of those things that we knew would work,
• 19:37
  but you just needed the technology to do it.
• 19:40
  And now the technology is so advanced that you have no excuse
• 19:44
  not to be able to collaborate with people remotely.
• 19:45
  So it it it that made it a whole lot easier.
• 19:48
  Ryan has a full-fledged studio outside of Boston and he
• 19:51
  produces bands, plays in a number of them and writes a lot
• 19:54
  of music. What was A333 songs on the
• 19:56
  album? Do you just wrote like
• 19:58
  completely? Yeah, 22, actually 2/2.
• 20:01
  But nonetheless, nonetheless, that's awesome to have another
• 20:03
  member of the band just basically be like, hey, I wrote
• 20:05
  something. You just have to be a fucking
• 20:07
  banger. It's awesome, You know what I
• 20:08
  mean? And then we do our best to just
• 20:10
  kind of like, hey, we got an overdub for this, will it work?
• 20:12
  And just like expect him to like wave us off and he'd be like,
• 20:15
  no, go ahead, try something. That's awesome.
• 20:17
  You know, that's collaboration. That's the closest thing to
• 20:19
  being in a band and being in a room and kind of putting it all
• 20:21
  together that you can be nowadays if you're in different
• 20:25
  places, I guess. Yeah, I've I've dabbled in that
• 20:27
  world too. And now that I have a newer
• 20:30
  computer and I just recently moved so.
• 20:33
  I was going to say it looks a little bit different.
• 20:35
  Looks a little bit different though.
• 20:36
  Yeah, it's it's way different. I'm in Harlem now, so.
• 20:39
  Oh no shit. Wow.
• 20:40
  Awesome, We're we're about sorry, I shouldn't we should we
• 20:43
  shouldn't be doxing you. 21st should you find me.
• 20:51
  That's what somebody actually pointed that out to me when I'm
• 20:53
  posting all these pictures, Like if you look at my, my photo
• 20:55
  rolls, just pictures of my cat in the same pose and different
• 20:58
  poses in different seconds. And I'm always taking a picture
• 21:01
  of her collar, which has got her name and my address and my phone
• 21:05
  number on it. And they're like, doesn't it
• 21:07
  get, you know, kind of unnerving if you just put that information
• 21:09
  out there, like if anybody really wanted to know, they
• 21:11
  could probably figure it out. But above all, it's like I'm not
• 21:13
  going to starve the world of a picture of my cat, you know, for
• 21:17
  for that as a worry, you know? Speaking of, there's.
• 21:19
  Yeah, there she is. No, there's not moving there,
• 21:21
  Yeah. Shinobi, you should come out
• 21:24
  here and do something. I got the laser pointer right
• 21:26
  here. You'll probably see her move if
• 21:28
  I move the laser pointer. Yeah, because she knows that if
• 21:30
  the next sound is going to be the and there'll be a green dot
• 21:33
  somewhere. So.
• 21:34
  But we won't get into that. I don't want to waste time.
• 21:35
  Sorry I'm precious for you. Guys, she's like, I am not a
• 21:38
  show pony. She's like, don't bring me.
• 21:41
  Yeah. Exactly.
• 21:42
  Just bring me out and show me off to your friends and that
• 21:45
  kind of a thing. And she's like, but if I have to
• 21:48
  big stretch and she'll come over and flirt with everybody on
• 21:51
  camera, I guarantee you. I just text you, John.
• 21:53
  That's where I'm at. That's my look, right?
• 21:56
  Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to cut and paste and
• 21:58
  put this in the chat so. Everybody send that, John.
• 22:02
  Send that to me. Later.
• 22:03
  Yeah, exactly, exactly, ladies and gentlemen.
• 22:06
  If you're by the Apollo, come on and say hi.
• 22:09
  Exactly. We'll send you what is it?
• 22:11
  What is the fruit basket company that like?
• 22:14
  Edible Arrangements. Thank you.
• 22:16
  What was Edible arrangements of chocolate dipped strawberries?
• 22:20
  I do like chocolate dipped strawberries.
• 22:21
  Yeah, they are. But I'm glad.
• 22:23
  I'm glad to hear that you're even closer.
• 22:24
  That's great, man. So I think we're we're, we're an
• 22:26
  A train away. Oh, perfect.
• 22:28
  Yeah, we can catch them. We can hop at the AMC one day to
• 22:31
  catch a movie. Hell yeah.
• 22:32
  We can talk about that Stormtrooper.
• 22:35
  Not, well, not Stormtrooper helmet.
• 22:36
  I can't really tell what that is above your head.
• 22:38
  I think it's a Lego. Is it a Lego?
• 22:40
  Captain Rex. Captain Rex.
• 22:41
  Captain Rex. Nice dude.
• 22:44
  What's his name? Bridger?
• 22:45
  What's his name? Ezra Bridger from.
• 22:48
  Ezra Bridger. OK, so he's kind of a yeah, we
• 22:51
  could probably have a podcast about obscure Star Wars things
• 22:54
  and everything, because I know Ezra Bridger's a bit of a you
• 22:57
  have to love him, I hate him and that kind of a thing.
• 22:59
  That cartoon was really good, man.
• 23:00
  I I finally saw Rebels, and I was like, all right, I'm good.
• 23:03
  I'm sold. This is, yeah.
• 23:05
  Bad batch, all that stuff. Dude, I got AI got a death
• 23:08
  watch. God, I'm so bad at I see it.
• 23:10
  I got a death watch. I see it, dude.
• 23:12
  I bought it at Comic Con. And legitimately I was like, I
• 23:16
  can't wait to open this when I get home.
• 23:17
  And then I got home in two weeks went by and I was like, shit, I
• 23:20
  really should open this. Like, I want to be the adult kid
• 23:22
  that I, that I've always wanted to be or whatever.
• 23:24
  And then my birthday came and I was like, you know what, I'll
• 23:26
  plan on opening it on my birthday.
• 23:28
  So I feel like a birthday present.
• 23:30
  I gave it to myself, completely forgot to do it.
• 23:32
  Christmas came, we didn't do family Christmas.
• 23:35
  So I was like, Oh my God, Oh, when we do Christmas in March,
• 23:37
  we'll do it. So we had a Star Wars Christmas
• 23:39
  at my, my sister's house up in Maine and we all had like, I my
• 23:44
  lightsabers and I opened that up and I was, it's a Black Series
• 23:47
  1. So I was like, oh fuck yeah.
• 23:49
  Range Finder. Yeah, yeah, dude, I know
• 23:51
  legitimately Sunday at Comic Con, go up to any one of those
• 23:54
  vendors for the amount of money that I guess it cost for the
• 23:57
  union fees to get something out. They will start selling off a
• 24:00
  lot of the merchandise. Is it dirt cheap just so they
• 24:03
  don't have to take as many trips and spend as much money just to
• 24:06
  get it from point A to point B? That is true.
• 24:08
  And again, you hit those conventions on that last day,
• 24:11
  that Sunday, it's like, all right now you got the, all the
• 24:13
  good stuff is usually gone, but the stuff that you were
• 24:16
  hopefully like, hey, want to get rid of that, I'll give you a
• 24:19
  little bit. 60 bucks, man, 60 bucks, and I wanted to get one
• 24:22
  of those for a long time, so yeah.
• 24:24
  So the Captain Rex was a Christmas gift for my son.
• 24:27
  Yeah, Ezra, brother Edra. Ezra was like birthday gift for
• 24:32
  me. My birthday was Saint Patrick's
• 24:33
  Day, so that's like a gift for me.
• 24:35
  You still get the lights all green.
• 24:37
  You haven't changed the mother. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 24:39
  Stay at home brain. It's like there's a typo thing.
• 24:41
  It's like I'm always like like I knew Pete for I knew Pete back
• 24:44
  in the day too. So I was like typo was kind of a
• 24:46
  big inspiration and just you were just really nice and
• 24:49
  information. He was very helpful with a lot
• 24:51
  of information with my band and stuff so.
• 24:53
  You you 2 need to you 2 need to start talking about the way that
• 24:57
  we just went on that little Star Wars tangent.
• 24:59
  Please go on a type of Ryan legitimately like like like
• 25:04
  first person stuff like with between him and Pete and the the
• 25:07
  guys and I know how much of a fan Ryan is of.
• 25:09
  Type I'll. Say you're a little Instagram
• 25:12
  Reel because it was his birthday.
• 25:14
  No, that's birthday and his passing was the other day.
• 25:17
  We posted like a little reel and the picture that we use for it
• 25:20
  is my photo with Mike's, with my singer when we were like 1617
• 25:24
  years old, with Peter Steele at like 4 in the mornings.
• 25:26
  Oh. That's badass.
• 25:28
  That's so cool, wow. I was like a baby face.
• 25:31
  I was going to say you. It looks you're sitting
• 25:34
  literally in front of a creepy green light.
• 25:36
  Yeah, so. And I didn't know that.
• 25:38
  Yeah. So it's.
• 25:40
  I love that that was a typo thing.
• 25:43
  That's awesome. It's.
• 25:44
  Like like the same color green is the same color as my
• 25:47
  watermark for my photography too.
• 25:48
  So I just like, you know what? I like this like neon lime,
• 25:51
  whatever green that just just. Keep type of green baby, it's
• 25:55
  awesome. It just reminds me of that.
• 25:57
  Let's see. Speaking of hi, how can I segue
• 26:00
  out of that? Jesus Dreamer?
• 26:03
  Let's see. Music.
• 26:04
  Yeah, music videos. You've got 2 music videos that
• 26:07
  look really phenomenal. You've worked with my good
• 26:11
  friends and my good eye, Dave Oski and Ali Weiss.
• 26:15
  So it's like great videos I got. To say.
• 26:17
  Videos are awesome videos. I work with them a few times
• 26:21
  with Einstein Kills and Kill Switch.
• 26:23
  I did their live album, the live live stream I did.
• 26:26
  Palladium, he was up there with David and with with David and
• 26:30
  Ali. So if.
• 26:31
  You see the video just see like, oh, you watch those concerts,
• 26:33
  You see a big polkie with Brian Black.
• 26:35
  Yeah. You.
• 26:36
  Feel like I'm trying to be, I'm trying to be like, you know,
• 26:39
  hidden, but it's like I'm just too big.
• 26:41
  So in the white shot, like, oh, there's Omar.
• 26:43
  There he is, there he. Is there he is.
• 26:44
  That's what we should do. We should play a little, a
• 26:46
  little game, like a drinking game or something like that.
• 26:49
  Watching their live streaming, that kind of a thing.
• 26:50
  It's Omar. Where's Omar?
• 26:52
  Yeah, it's where's Omar? And so where's Waldo?
• 26:55
  It's like every time I worked him, it's like I'm shooting the
• 26:57
  bass players that cool. All the bass player shots are
• 27:00
  me. Yeah.
• 27:01
  All right. Very cool.
• 27:02
  Nice. It's all those.
• 27:03
  Really. Player loves.
• 27:04
  That's awesome. All those crotch shots of Mike D
• 27:07
  all up in the all up in his gear.
• 27:09
  It was you. Nice.
• 27:10
  Yep. So what made you guys decide to
• 27:13
  work with Ali and Dave for this one for these two videos?
• 27:16
  Dude, like legitimately, you know how we all live a whole
• 27:20
  bunch of different lives over the course of our careers lives,
• 27:23
  whatever you want to, you know, consider it out randomly.
• 27:27
  I got back in touch with Dave and Ali and, and I was like, you
• 27:30
  guys are still doing it, you're still killing it.
• 27:32
  And I'm always super appreciative.
• 27:34
  I'm sure everybody is. But of all the people that were
• 27:37
  at the top of their game back when, you know, Diecast was
• 27:40
  active and we were touring and putting out albums.
• 27:44
  So when you see a 20 year gap and then you see the same people
• 27:48
  that you vibed with at that time still doing what they love
• 27:52
  because they love it, you're like, OK, these these are real
• 27:55
  people. These are real people doing it
• 27:57
  for the right reasons. And so because of that, there
• 28:00
  was a part of me in the back of my brain that as soon as I saw
• 28:02
  Dave again for the first time, when I was, I was helping him
• 28:06
  out in Times Square with, Oh gosh, the side project from the
• 28:10
  lead singer from Thursday. And they, they were just like
• 28:13
  capturing all of the the 360 stuff for a song kind of kind of
• 28:17
  post COVID. And there was a part of me that
• 28:19
  was like, I there's there's a reason that we connected and
• 28:22
  there's a reason that he, you know, it was like, come on down,
• 28:25
  give me a hand. And we got back up and talking
• 28:27
  and I was like, if there's ever anything that I'm doing
• 28:29
  musically, I would kill for the opportunity to get him and Ally
• 28:33
  behind the camera again. So much so that I lobbied it to
• 28:36
  these guys. And they were like, yeah, I
• 28:39
  mean, the, the breadth of work that they did is fucking amazing
• 28:43
  and visually stunning. So it's, it's not too hard to
• 28:48
  sell anybody on the idea of getting these people behind the
• 28:51
  camera to do something to your music.
• 28:53
  But at the same time, the scheduling is just five
• 28:56
  individual people. And then, you know, 2
• 28:58
  individuals with a number of, you know, people like, you know,
• 29:00
  you know, Rob and you know, those guys that always help them
• 29:02
  out, that kind of a thing. But getting everybody in the
• 29:05
  same place at one point, whatever.
• 29:07
  Like that was a bit of a measure, but it was so worth it
• 29:10
  and I knew it was. And as soon as these guys walked
• 29:12
  in, they were like, and I know that you had probably met Dave
• 29:14
  and Ally in passing at shows when they were either, you know,
• 29:17
  filming footage or whatever, or just seeing, you know, this
• 29:20
  fucking Glendanzig looking, you know, stoic ass guy just sitting
• 29:26
  there, you know, like I just taking it all in and enjoying
• 29:28
  himself. But like Ryan can attest, like
• 29:32
  as soon as they walk in as in, hey, I'm Dave, nice to meet you
• 29:35
  that kind of like like it was an immediate connection and it
• 29:37
  would. Be so.
• 29:38
  Weird. Not going to anybody else ever
• 29:40
  again that, but yes. Because I mean, music videos
• 29:43
  just it's it's, it's like it's worse than playing a show.
• 29:47
  It's like playing. It's like, it's like you're
• 29:49
  Metallica and you're playing one song for, you know, 16 hours.
• 29:55
  Yeah. You know, So you just.
• 29:57
  Yeah. But I mean, hey, it's it, it's,
• 29:59
  it's what needs to get done. And, and the thing about that is
• 30:02
  Dave and Ally made it so enjoyable and so smooth.
• 30:05
  We were, we were just all laughs, you know, it was just,
• 30:08
  Oh my God, I couldn't I, I have never been through anything more
• 30:11
  professional and smooth and just fun.
• 30:16
  And I actually, I guess unprofessional, you know, just,
• 30:19
  we just, we were just man, like, you know, two hours into the
• 30:22
  shoot, we're all just busting balls, You know, we're Oh my
• 30:25
  God, I, I would work with them anytime.
• 30:27
  They were amazing. I can't, I, I can't say enough
• 30:29
  about David and Alex. Seriously.
• 30:31
  And they've also got like they've got it so dialed in that
• 30:34
  they speak a language of their own.
• 30:36
  So they know exactly what to do, you know, and they like
• 30:38
  basically think for one another, etcetera.
• 30:41
  And then you got Rob Brown, you know, pulling focus every single
• 30:43
  time on the the tablet and that kind of a thing.
• 30:46
  But legitimately, they know exactly what they need, how much
• 30:50
  of it that they need. And so they only put the band
• 30:53
  through the paces to that end as opposed to like, yeah, let's do
• 30:57
  it 15 more times. And a whole bunch of, you know,
• 30:59
  old dudes, you know, poor, poor Brock, he flew from Alaska.
• 31:03
  Middle, middle seat, no sleep whatsoever.
• 31:06
  Hop onto, you know, the the soundstage and then all of a
• 31:08
  sudden we're shooting there and we're playing one song how 2030
• 31:12
  times or something like that, ish.
• 31:14
  Or at the very least, you know, one person is doing at least 10
• 31:17
  takes here and 10 takes here or whatever like that, going full
• 31:20
  bore each time. They know exactly what they
• 31:21
  need, they know exactly how to get it, and they're not going to
• 31:23
  push you any further, you know, just to get the coverage.
• 31:26
  So I love those guys. They're awesome.
• 31:28
  I mean, and shout out, you know, shout out to Brock on that one,
• 31:31
  man. He literally, he literally left
• 31:33
  work, flew to US, filmed the videos for like 48 hours
• 31:37
  straight and we put him back on a plane and sent him home and he
• 31:41
  was, he was back home less than 2 1/2 days.
• 31:44
  I mean, that dude is just, you know, just.
• 31:45
  To be sad to be up at what, 3:00 AM so he could host a radio show
• 31:49
  back in Anchorage the the following day?
• 31:51
  Yeah, I mean, and, and, and, you know, he, he literally put
• 31:54
  everything, you know, he, he, but we did the, the first, the
• 31:56
  first video we did, we actually the first video we did was
• 31:59
  aesthetic and he had been up for.
• 32:01
  I mean, here I am. We me, Tyler and our bassist
• 32:05
  Brad. We had gotten to the Airbnb the
• 32:08
  night before. We, you know, we had a nice
• 32:09
  cushy like, you know, 8 hours sleep and we're like, man, I'm
• 32:12
  tired. And then like you look over and
• 32:14
  it's like, don't say that around Barack, man.
• 32:15
  He just flew in. This dude's been up for 36 hours
• 32:17
  straight. I'm.
• 32:18
  Pulling into pulling into Newark airport at 5:00 AM to pick up a
• 32:22
  guy that hasn't slept in two days to drive out to where?
• 32:25
  Where in Pennsylvania was it? It was the spot that they did
• 32:27
  the Scranton in the office and just to pull up in that kind of
• 32:31
  a thing, unload and just it also kind of it felt awesome because
• 32:35
  it kind of felt like an old tour thing, you know, like deprived
• 32:37
  of sleep real early call, but. That's exactly we were all just,
• 32:41
  I mean, well, for him mostly, I mean, he was definitely already
• 32:44
  in, you know, full fatigue, but he just, he just killed it, you
• 32:49
  know, I mean, he soon as it was as soon as it was time to get to
• 32:51
  work, he, he, he was just full bore, no excuses, never bitched
• 32:55
  about anything. So we, the four of us, had to
• 32:59
  like keep up with him, you know, we're and meanwhile we, we all
• 33:02
  had like a nice sleep and a nice breakfast and, you know, we were
• 33:05
  all fresh and ready to go. I I love, I don't like I'm like,
• 33:09
  I don't need to know the budgets or anything, but like those
• 33:12
  videos, both videos, they look, Oh man, that's like it looks, it
• 33:16
  looks expensive. They did a great job at that.
• 33:18
  Those videos were just, like, I always get giddy when I see
• 33:20
  their videos. Like, I'm at the point now where
• 33:23
  I know their videos before. I know they directed it.
• 33:26
  Yeah. You know, Yeah.
• 33:27
  Like, again, it's again, another funny thing.
• 33:29
  It's like, yeah, you told me you're gonna go over through the
• 33:31
  music video like the day before, the day I saw you, like a day
• 33:35
  before you went to go and do the video.
• 33:38
  Yeah. That was just the world so
• 33:40
  small, and this world's even smaller because I knew Ali
• 33:43
  first. Are you serious?
• 33:45
  Yes. I knew Ali from the band AIDS.
• 33:47
  Our old band used to play shows at this place in Queen Castle
• 33:50
  Heights. Yeah.
• 33:52
  So I know Ali from Castle Light Stage.
• 33:54
  Yeah, John. Dude, Scandato, man, that like,
• 33:57
  yeah, so Kevin Scandato is a oh. Sorry, sorry Kevin, not yet.
• 34:00
  No dude, they're so bad for John.
• 34:02
  This end fucking mic and everybody.
• 34:05
  There are the three brothers, the Scandado brothers and one of
• 34:08
  them in shut was in shutdown and and shut down shut down.
• 34:13
  John was and I'm blinking on the name of his band, Inhuman.
• 34:15
  Thank you. And Kevin booked all of the
• 34:17
  shows at Castle Heights and Queens and he just died this
• 34:20
  past week, man. And so like we lost two guys
• 34:23
  this past week just in the, the neighborhood of the the scene
• 34:26
  here in New York City. So it was just like, Oh, no, you
• 34:29
  know, it's, it makes, it brings back all the the best memories
• 34:31
  of all those things and the way things kind of used to be and.
• 34:34
  Well, we're all innocent and like had hope in our eyes for a
• 34:37
  crazy ass political career. Like we're going to do this and
• 34:40
  we're going to have fun. We're going to be, we're going
• 34:43
  to just tour the world. You're like, yeah, screw this
• 34:45
  stuff. I'm 35, I need money.
• 34:47
  I can't get this anymore. Exactly, And then I you get to
• 34:51
  like 37 and you're like, or do I just need a nice green light
• 34:54
  behind me and some Star Wars merchandise to be happy?
• 34:56
  And there we are. You.
• 34:58
  You would have laughed, Ryan, when the last time I think we
• 35:01
  were. Oh shit, I I think I saw you at
• 35:03
  the. God forbid show.
• 35:05
  Yeah, God forbid show and then also gosh.
• 35:09
  Disciples of Verity at the. Disciples of Verity at Jersey
• 35:13
  and Clifton. And then we we randomly ran into
• 35:15
  one another in Brooklyn at the place that I went to go see you
• 35:18
  guys play with ghouls. Is it the monarch?
• 35:23
  Is it the monarch? The monarch.
• 35:24
  Yeah, Monarch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:26
  And we'll be done. Was playing.
• 35:27
  So, you know, see, Robin, all those guys were coming down or
• 35:29
  whatever, and they were like, hey, can you run the board?
• 35:31
  And I was like, in theory, Yeah, like I'm happy to.
• 35:34
  I don't know. And so we ran this out and, you
• 35:37
  know, there he is. There's OJ's fucking, you know,
• 35:39
  oh, hey, oh, hey, what's going on, man?
• 35:41
  You know, that kind of a thing. Just backing on.
• 35:42
  And we took a picture and sent it to Dave and Alley.
• 35:45
  And Dave and Alley are like, oh, we'll see you tomorrow at the at
• 35:49
  the shoes on. Yeah, we're shooting, you know,
• 35:51
  So it was a big love fest, you know?
• 35:53
  Oh, yeah, dude, it's not true. Yeah.
• 35:54
  Like, like, yeah, our old band used to play together.
• 35:56
  Like I knew her as a guitar player then and then Fast
• 35:59
  forward years later, I like they there was a call out for a
• 36:04
  champion. Glad.
• 36:05
  Hey, we're doing a music video in Jersey.
• 36:07
  Who needs extras? And I was like, that's like,
• 36:10
  cool. I was like, I came down to go be
• 36:11
  an extra in the video and I'm waiting to get picked up and and
• 36:14
  Hoboken. And here's Ali.
• 36:15
  He's like, oh, stop. What's up?
• 36:17
  Like was that when she was with the video?
• 36:19
  Tommy Boy Records. Was that when she was with Tommy
• 36:21
  Boy Records? Or was that when she was still
• 36:23
  doing the visual stuff but after that fact?
• 36:25
  She was, she was, I don't know though, she was still with Dave
• 36:28
  then. She was still working with Dave
• 36:29
  then. So I was like, we did the strap
• 36:31
  young lad, wrong side video and I'm like an extra in that video
• 36:34
  running around, you know, so. Yeah, dude, behind the camera, O
• 36:38
  JS been there virtually like every single music video you've
• 36:41
  seen or whatever that filmed in New York City is.
• 36:44
  You're doing shit, man. Or being a camera operator.
• 36:46
  Yeah. I need to do more of that.
• 36:47
  That's that's the thing I'm trying to like do more this year
• 36:50
  is like make more videos to myself and like do more like now
• 36:52
  I like this editing stuff. It's just fun, but I want to do
• 36:55
  more and like I need to get back to playing.
• 36:57
  I need to get a decent electronic kits 'cause I do miss
• 37:01
  playing around with like the programs and now.
• 37:03
  Tyler, Tyler actually has a kit and I, I want to say he was
• 37:06
  selling it. So we'll totally put you guys in
• 37:08
  touch and see. Yeah, funny thing, we could.
• 37:11
  We could talk. About in the small world after.
• 37:13
  Yeah, exactly. Cue the music.
• 37:16
  You're the lawsuit season desist.
• 37:18
  Oh my God. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:19
  Yeah, oh gosh, that's the last thing you want to do.
• 37:22
  Yeah, for real. So yeah, this is really fun
• 37:23
  guys. So whose idea was it for Soul
• 37:25
  Asylum? Cuz I did cuz I listened to this
• 37:28
  record kind of blind. It's like I just put it on.
• 37:30
  I was like once I got it I was like I just listened to it and
• 37:32
  see what track was track. I just like my own little mental
• 37:34
  notes. I was like oh OK.
• 37:35
  Like yeah to me, like like I said, like dreamers and in hell
• 37:39
  or with with hell and and Swim N were like the ones that really
• 37:44
  like oh, I like these more aggressive songs.
• 37:46
  Yeah, and I'll say this before I get to the Soul Sound cover, the
• 37:49
  album is sequenced very well because you didn't put all the
• 37:52
  bangers right up front, like all the Super fast hard ones you
• 37:56
  didn't like it's aggression. And then it's kind of like
• 37:59
  mellow, like you guys went hard, soft.
• 38:01
  You get a nice, you did the wave.
• 38:02
  And I think more records, yeah, more workers need that wave
• 38:05
  because like you could only, you know, your ears get tired.
• 38:08
  Your ears get tired of. Somebody the, the older you get,
• 38:11
  you're kind of like, Oh yeah, you know, like head banging a
• 38:13
  little bit, that kind of a thing.
• 38:14
  You're like, fuck, man, I got to take it easy.
• 38:16
  And it's like this this song, I'll just I'll just smoke them
• 38:19
  if you got them Glass mountain. All right, cool stretch, you
• 38:21
  know, that kind of a thing. Do a couple of stretches, you
• 38:23
  know, get your dancing shoes on and then go back up for the next
• 38:25
  one. But we we we kind of like threw
• 38:27
  around a number of ideas for that and just like, what would
• 38:30
  be your ideal, you know, song order?
• 38:32
  And then they matched similarly. And then we were like, yeah, you
• 38:35
  know what? And the idea like Ryan was like,
• 38:38
  maybe we put for those who watch the sea 1st and that song just
• 38:42
  happens to thread directly into aesthetic of serpents by design.
• 38:46
  And so it just like, OK, then that's that's obviously logical.
• 38:49
  But the rest of it just kind of came pretty organically as well
• 38:51
  as logically, I would think. So I'm glad to hear that because
• 38:54
  the last we wanted to do is just bombard people.
• 38:57
  You know, you put out an album and you're like, it's got
• 38:59
  something for everybody. And then somebody hears one of
• 39:01
  the tracks and they think that they've made-up their mind as to
• 39:03
  exactly what the rest of the album's going to be.
• 39:05
  So we we, you know, conscious of the fact that if somebody hits
• 39:08
  play, we want to keep them kind of along along the journey, I
• 39:11
  guess. Yeah, 'cause I mean, yeah,
• 39:12
  'cause I mean, how, how often do you, you know, do you, you put
• 39:15
  on a record these days, especially like a modern record
• 39:17
  and you just listen to it front to back without even stopping,
• 39:20
  you know, and I think that's kind of what we had in mind.
• 39:23
  And I think, I think, I mean, you know, could be biased
• 39:26
  'cause, you know, we've been the ones listening to it the most,
• 39:28
  the last, you know, 4, almost four years.
• 39:31
  But, you know, we this, yeah, it just came natural.
• 39:34
  I think when we all put our, we all submitted our lists into
• 39:37
  the, the chat and it vaguely similar, like it was all like,
• 39:40
  OK, everyone's, everyone's on the same page, you know, so, but
• 39:44
  yeah, I mean, as far as the cover, you know, it's crazy
• 39:48
  because you think Soul Asylum, you usually think runaway train
• 39:52
  or something. But you know, Brock had flown in
• 39:55
  from Alaska just a hang. And it was the first time, like
• 39:59
  we were all, everyone in the band was, was in a room
• 40:01
  together, you know, so we, he decided, Hey, you know, guys,
• 40:04
  I'm, I'm free. Like in a couple weeks, I'll let
• 40:06
  it come hang and we'll just like, you know, just party and
• 40:09
  maybe jam a little bit if we can, you know, talk shop and
• 40:12
  kind of just vibe it out. And so he, you know, Fast
• 40:15
  forward, he, he. He comes over and he's, he's
• 40:18
  staying with Tyler. And then, you know, a bunch of
• 40:21
  our friends, everyone, we come to the house and we're kind of
• 40:23
  sort of partying and we're, we're all listening to music.
• 40:27
  And it's funny. My, my girlfriend Nikki had, you
• 40:30
  know, she, we were all kind of throwing songs out there and
• 40:33
  she, she had thrown out Soul Asylum, somebody to shove.
• 40:36
  And then and then Brock was like, I love, Oh my God, I love
• 40:38
  that song. And then so we put it on and
• 40:41
  that, you know, that that lick started and it just became this
• 40:43
  big kitchen sing along like, and, and it was like, that was
• 40:47
  weird. Everyone, everyone wow.
• 40:49
  Like that, that yeah. And you know, I mean, it's like
• 40:51
  the same thing when I think anyone hears that song.
• 40:54
  This is for me, there's a familiarity to it because it's
• 40:57
  like, wait a minute, I've heard this, but I don't know who it
• 40:59
  is. And you're like, oh, Soul Asylum
• 41:00
  and oh, it's the the band that did Runaway Train did this, you
• 41:04
  know, and it's their it's their track one on that super
• 41:07
  successful record. But you know, we, you know, back
• 41:10
  in the chat we had talked about just like you remember that
• 41:13
  night, like remember, you know, remember somebody at the shop?
• 41:16
  I think Brock Brock was all about let's cover it.
• 41:20
  And then he. Wanted to do it forever.
• 41:22
  Like apparently he was like Oh my God, like what are the odds?
• 41:24
  He's like, I've wanted to cover that.
• 41:26
  Yeah, he was just like, dude, I've been wanting to do this.
• 41:27
  Like, I mean, I've been wanting to do this song forever.
• 41:31
  And then was it a couple days later, John, like you had, you
• 41:34
  had a a demo basically like already put together?
• 41:38
  So the way my brain works right is I was asleep at the time that
• 41:41
  they were upstairs and I I could hear the conversation and I
• 41:43
  could hear the music as I was falling asleep.
• 41:46
  And it dawned on me too, because I've also.
• 41:49
  That's right. I always, I always, I always
• 41:51
  forget you were in bed. I'm sorry.
• 41:52
  No, no, it's OK. That's the last thing you want
• 41:54
  to say because it's so uncool. It was like.
• 41:57
  You are you Irish, goodbye to early that.
• 41:59
  Night no, that was that was one of the beauties of of the time
• 42:03
  after COVID was there was a lot of things that were remote doing
• 42:06
  a, a, a zoom call the following morning and basically, you know,
• 42:10
  doing tech support for it in the background.
• 42:13
  And so I just I, I got it was an early call.
• 42:14
  So I went to bed kind of early, but I heard this conversation I
• 42:16
  heard the song and I was like, they are going they are touching
• 42:20
  every single point and everything makes so much sense.
• 42:22
  There's no reason that any heavy band has not approached this
• 42:25
  song and turned it into an absolute banger and why hasn't
• 42:28
  anybody had done it? And then we we kept talking
• 42:31
  about it and everything and I was like, you know what I'm
• 42:32
  going to do and this is the way my brain works.
• 42:34
  I'm like, OK, I'm going to sit down.
• 42:36
  I'm going to see if I can orchestrate it for what we how
• 42:39
  we would play it or live or something like that, or for a
• 42:41
  metal album and see how it works or whatever.
• 42:43
  And then I got a, a rough sketch of it kind of together with
• 42:46
  drums, guitar, bass. And I was like, hey, guys, what
• 42:49
  do you think of this? And they were like, oh, shit,
• 42:52
  yeah. Well, we were just talking
• 42:53
  about. And I was like, I ever overheard
• 42:55
  you guys talking about. Yeah.
• 42:58
  And Broccoli let me go, lay down some vocals on it and you got
• 43:01
  some studio time, put it in. That kind of a thing.
• 43:03
  And not to mention, I think Ryan had played with another one of
• 43:07
  his bands opening for Soul Asylum couple months prior to
• 43:10
  this and there was a. Whole there was a couple it was
• 43:12
  a it was a couple years, but yeah, I sorry, sorry.
• 43:15
  No, it's all good. It's all good.
• 43:16
  But yeah, I had opened for Soul Asylum and it was a great show,
• 43:19
  man. They still I mean we we opened
• 43:21
  for them at the paradise and they still they still filled the
• 43:23
  room. I mean there was a shit ton of
• 43:25
  people there and they opened they opened with somebody to
• 43:29
  shove that's a date. It's a bold.
• 43:31
  Move. It's a very bold move.
• 43:34
  It's a bold move, but like, we don't.
• 43:35
  Have to pay the babysitter. Let's get the fuck out of here.
• 43:37
  No, they, they, they have some great songs.
• 43:38
  They do really do actually have some great songs.
• 43:40
  But yeah, but, but I mean, that that one just has so much
• 43:42
  potential to it. And then, you know, John's demo
• 43:45
  just had so many killer sort of modern ingredients to it, you
• 43:50
  know, because when you when you listen to this, when you listen
• 43:52
  to the original version, it's it's very grunge.
• 43:54
  It's very 90's rock. And it's like, oh man, you know,
• 43:58
  how would how would the sound if it just had a little bit of a
• 44:00
  crunchier guitar? What if a little more double
• 44:02
  bass? And, you know, I think that's
• 44:05
  where we ended up landing with it.
• 44:06
  You know, John created such a great demo and then Brock took
• 44:09
  that demo, did some, did some studio time, cut the vocal, sent
• 44:13
  it back to John. And this is sort of how our
• 44:15
  writing process goes. And then John, you know, kind of
• 44:18
  mixed it again, showed it to us. And it was just it was just
• 44:21
  undeniable. And another shout out to Brock
• 44:23
  that it doesn't he he's in and out of the studio, man, there's
• 44:27
  really, he knows what he's doing and the, the way he crafts
• 44:30
  melody and phrasing. I mean, there's just, I don't
• 44:34
  think there's ever been a moment even with the newer, the newer
• 44:37
  demos, because we're always writing.
• 44:38
  But there's really never been a moment where like where he
• 44:41
  doesn't just hit a Grand Slam like every like, you know,
• 44:44
  because he'll, he'll open the, you know, he goes into the verse
• 44:47
  and you're like, oh, oh, hell yeah.
• 44:48
  And then when he hits the chorus, it is such a chorus.
• 44:51
  And I, I mean, it's just undeniable.
• 44:54
  And I think he just especially for some, I mean, you can tell
• 44:57
  he'd want to do this song for a while.
• 44:59
  So when he when he got the chance to do it, he just brushed
• 45:02
  the vocals on that one and everyone, you know, And then I,
• 45:06
  I eventually I retract to the drums.
• 45:08
  Everyone got to, you know, everyone gets in.
• 45:10
  There's, it's at their little workstation, throws their stuff
• 45:14
  together. We send it to John.
• 45:15
  John replaces, you know, the demo version of something with,
• 45:18
  you know, our version of it. And there you have it.
• 45:21
  Technology. Technology, yes.
• 45:24
  Go technology, dude. One of the craziest things about
• 45:26
  it was after that conversation that you guys had, I think the
• 45:28
  following night we went to one of the local haunts in Westfield
• 45:32
  as as a a band, minus Brad, you know, at that point, but as a
• 45:36
  band or whatever. And because I had heard that
• 45:38
  conversation, I went over to the Touch 2 thing and I was like, I
• 45:42
  want to test something because I had a feeling that this song
• 45:45
  could be kind of rad, right? You know?
• 45:46
  And we could probably do it justice, hopefully do it
• 45:48
  justice, but bring it into kind of a modern context, diatonic
• 45:52
  third harmonies and all that kind of stuff.
• 45:53
  Do a cool solo. Great.
• 45:55
  But I threw on somebody to shove or whatever, and I looked around
• 45:58
  and I was like, yeah, guys, like, I heard you guys playing
• 46:00
  this last night and they're like, yeah, such a great song.
• 46:02
  That conversation just came back up.
• 46:04
  And as soon as it got to the chorus, all these yah dudes and
• 46:07
  all these Bros from Westfield State and all these girls were
• 46:10
  probably like, I don't know, 22 years old at the bar.
• 46:13
  They're all like pumping their fists and singing along to it.
• 46:15
  And we're like, holy shit, like, OK, it it, it transcends a
• 46:19
  little bit so. Yeah, it's, it's a, it's a, it's
• 46:22
  like a, it's an old 90s radio banger, you know, so.
• 46:25
  Buzz Bin. I think the the Buzz Bin, Yeah.
• 46:27
  On MTV, Yeah. And this is this is just how
• 46:30
  stupid. This is another way you can
• 46:32
  understand how dumb I am, man. When we were out in Anchorage
• 46:36
  getting ready to play our our second show, Brock is talking
• 46:39
  about the song. He's like, yeah, man, I love,
• 46:40
  you know, it's so cool that we got to do this.
• 46:42
  But at the same time, he was like, you know, that song
• 46:45
  Somebody to Love? And I was like, yeah, it was
• 46:48
  Jefferson Airplane. Jefferson Airplane, you know.
• 46:50
  Jefferson Airplane. And I was like, yeah, somebody
• 46:52
  to love. And he was like, you, you know,
• 46:54
  that somebody to shove is kind of like a direct grunge response
• 46:58
  to the not hippie ish. But the 60s and 70s version of I
• 47:01
  want somebody to love is like, Nah, I want somebody to shove.
• 47:04
  And I was like, holy shit, you're right.
• 47:06
  And why didn't I ever put that together?
• 47:08
  I was like, Oh my God. But I'm 42 years old and I
• 47:11
  didn't realize it. There are things I realize on a
• 47:14
  daily basis that I should have known.
• 47:15
  Years. Years, but here we are.
• 47:18
  At least you know now. At least then I.
• 47:20
  Just. And you just taught me
• 47:21
  something, too. I was like, oh, wow, yeah.
• 47:23
  There's a rock'n'roll jeopardy for.
• 47:25
  You I mean I am beat your song and with the Soul Asylum song,
• 47:28
  because I just curiosity see, like I love a good metal, a
• 47:32
  medullification of a song. Sure, sure.
• 47:34
  And medullification, I like that.
• 47:36
  Yeah, just like, oh, it's, it's good to just like, oh, here's
• 47:38
  the original. Here's the cover.
• 47:39
  It's like. It's like I'm so weird like.
• 47:40
  I love like I'll say this dude, this like side note about cover
• 47:43
  songs, like I'm not like I'm not a big Led Zeppelin fan, but if
• 47:47
  you give me a Led Zeppelin song covered, like I love it.
• 47:50
  Same thing with The Beatles. I'm like, but you give me like a
• 47:53
  cover version of their song. You're the bigger chance.
• 47:56
  I would be more interested. It keeps me my attention logger.
• 47:59
  I don't know. Kind of like going to different.
• 48:01
  Restaurants, man, if somebody cooks for you and you have a
• 48:03
  bad, you know, that's, that's really good food, that kind of
• 48:06
  thing. But somebody like like Pintos,
• 48:07
  like if you go to Pintos is the Indian spot up there where where
• 48:10
  Tyler lives and he's known them for years.
• 48:12
  You go in there and it's kind of like, whoa, this guy cooking the
• 48:15
  same dishes is just like leagues better.
• 48:17
  So you get some metal band putting together something or
• 48:20
  whatever in a different context and all of a sudden you can
• 48:22
  appreciate it on a different level because it's hitting all
• 48:24
  the same notes. You want to, you know, hear
• 48:26
  you're in a song, especially metal song.
• 48:27
  So glad you dug it, man, That's awesome.
• 48:30
  Because that was not a risk. But at the same time for
• 48:34
  somebody to love and then somebody to shove, to be kind of
• 48:38
  like a diametrically opposed thing, like I just want to love
• 48:42
  you. It's like, Nah, and I just want
• 48:42
  to push you or whatever. This at the same point is
• 48:45
  similar at the same time, because gosh, what is it 40
• 48:48
  years, 3030 years maybe. But when this when this song was
• 48:53
  released, so it's a revision to it, but at the same time, it's
• 48:56
  kind of like it still works. And that's that's a that's a
• 48:59
  sign of a a good songwriter, you know, and Dave Perner and the
• 49:02
  guys from solo song so. I was not expecting that song at
• 49:06
  all on here. So like once it started like,
• 49:08
  yeah, it's it's it's you know that, you know that at Riff you
• 49:11
  open. Another it's Yeah, dude, when
• 49:12
  you hear the, you hear the lick. And you started laughing.
• 49:15
  Wait a minute. I started smiling and laughing.
• 49:17
  I was like, you know, I was like, I'm listening to it at
• 49:19
  work. I'm listening, I work at the air
• 49:21
  for the first time at work and I'm just like, uh huh.
• 49:23
  And I'm just like what the fuck? I just started laughing because
• 49:27
  I was like, sorry, I did not expect to hear this song.
• 49:30
  It's so briefly, man. It's so briefly and.
• 49:33
  That's a fun one. That's a fun one to play turn.
• 49:35
  The chorus into a little bit of a breakdown, OK, that wasn't
• 49:37
  there, you know, a little bit of harmonies that weren't there.
• 49:40
  But it dude, it's a fun, it's a fun one to play too.
• 49:43
  All right, now let's talk about we're talking about covers.
• 49:46
  Let's talk about the album cover.
• 49:47
  Who did the artwork? Where did this?
• 49:50
  Clever man. I like that.
• 49:52
  Give it. That was good.
• 49:53
  That was good. That was a mic.
• 49:55
  That was a Mike D That was a Mike D design.
• 49:58
  And I think Tyler had reached out to him, said, hey, you know,
• 50:01
  we're going to need some artwork.
• 50:02
  And he sent over a few things. And I think that when that hit
• 50:06
  the group chat of all of the ones that he had sent over, I, I
• 50:09
  think Brock really gravitated to it, if I remember correctly.
• 50:12
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, they were all, they were
• 50:14
  all fucking awesome. But there was something, there
• 50:16
  was something kind of rock and doom about that one that I think
• 50:20
  we, yeah, mainly Brock. And then the rest of us were
• 50:22
  like, yeah, you think he's on to something?
• 50:24
  I think I like the, I like, I think I like that one the most.
• 50:26
  And we all kind of went with that.
• 50:28
  I pushed back and gave shit just because it's The color palette
• 50:31
  is very unique. It's much, much different than
• 50:34
  one would expect for especially for an album of just what you're
• 50:37
  seeing with a skull face on a statue, you know, harvesting
• 50:40
  wheat with that big little knife, you know, that kind of a
• 50:42
  you would expect it to be a whole lot darker.
• 50:44
  But the color, the color pattern was kind of unique.
• 50:47
  And I was just worried that like the people that were colorblind
• 50:50
  or whatever like that would just completely lose it because
• 50:53
  depending on your colorblind, it could just be like, it could be
• 50:55
  the White Album for all their concern, you know, that kind of
• 50:58
  a thing. But yeah, it's and it kind of
• 51:00
  stands out, I guess, you know, as far as standing out against
• 51:04
  other other things. Yeah, it does it the colour.
• 51:08
  Yeah. It's not like a blue.
• 51:09
  Like how many blue album covers are there?
• 51:11
  How many cover they get lost in black and.
• 51:13
  Tearing down your blue skies. Yeah, I've been there.
• 51:16
  Yeah. Blue or whatever, Yeah, just
• 51:18
  make it. Very blue.
• 51:19
  Yeah, very blue. Yeah, like, like for me, like
• 51:23
  for my little graphic design part of my brain, what I'm doing
• 51:25
  the thumbnails for like our weekly new music video.
• 51:28
  It's like, all right, here's a new Music Friday.
• 51:30
  Here's here's like a list of 20 to 50 video albums that are
• 51:34
  coming out this week. When I'm putting the covers
• 51:37
  together, I usually go Ferrari, the bigger name, obviously the
• 51:40
  big name person. And if there's not nobody really
• 51:42
  big name that I'm aware of instantly I just go for which
• 51:46
  what albums catch my eye? You know, it's like, oh, that
• 51:49
  just here's a look, look, cover, cover like, oh, this one looks
• 51:51
  cool and make sure there's nothing, you know, nudity on it.
• 51:54
  But you know. And that could be hard these
• 51:56
  days, having something that comes out that, you know,
• 51:58
  catches an eye at the very least.
• 52:01
  I like colourful colours covers and it's like your cover is
• 52:04
  colourful, you know, it's like I've seen like the grey cover
• 52:07
  this year. We've seen all the simple mono
• 52:10
  colour covers and like sometimes they're cool sometimes.
• 52:12
  Oh, this is they didn't, didn't put any thought on this cover.
• 52:15
  They just Yeah, this looks like clip art.
• 52:18
  Yeah, at this point, AI just, you know, like put in a prompt
• 52:22
  and you know that you're you're off and running.
• 52:25
  There was a band, do you remember a band called Band of
• 52:27
  Skulls? They were a three piece from
• 52:29
  England. Oh yeah, very like, you know,
• 52:31
  like London dirty rock. I'll I'll give you some links,
• 52:35
  OJ, just just because I think you'll appreciate because they
• 52:37
  they are kind of heavy. They had some Slayer riffs, but
• 52:39
  they were a three piece and fronted male female vocals that
• 52:43
  did harmonies. It's it's gorgeous stuff.
• 52:45
  All of their covers were some level of a unique kind of you
• 52:51
  don't exactly know what it is image, but that is basically
• 52:55
  flipped and then has a symmetry to it from the center outwards
• 52:58
  to the right and the left. Every single one of their albums
• 53:01
  does. And I always thought that that
• 53:03
  was such a cool kind of like a, it was the first time I saw and
• 53:06
  I was like, I, my cousin turned me on to them and I had never
• 53:08
  heard of them before. And then I looked at the album
• 53:10
  and I was like, I remember seeing this album and it just,
• 53:12
  and what? Once again, that's a hard thing
• 53:14
  to do these days, especially if you want to just be I could
• 53:17
  because your cover art may not be reflective of the content
• 53:20
  inside. So there's a, there's a balance
• 53:23
  to be had there, I guess. Like KISS covers a little bit
• 53:29
  more hard, it's a touch more behind Kiss with those colors.
• 53:34
  And I know I love Ghost, but at the same time, and once again,
• 53:37
  Ryan is a huge Ghost fan or whatever, but when that first
• 53:40
  album came out, there was a part of me that was expecting just
• 53:42
  this. You know.
• 53:44
  Imagery that they put out and it was like kind of Blue Oyster
• 53:47
  culty. And I was like, what?
• 53:48
  Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm confused.
• 53:50
  I thought it was going to be Norwegian black metal, like,
• 53:53
  yeah. And then I throw it on.
• 53:55
  It's like, yeah, it sounded like, like, yeah, cross between
• 53:58
  old BOC and like, King Diamond. And I was all about it.
• 54:01
  I love it. I love it.
• 54:02
  I'm not a, I'm not a hater. This production is too clean.
• 54:05
  I don't like it. Yeah, exactly.
• 54:08
  I love I I I. There's always a little bit of
• 54:10
  that, There's always a little bit of that.
• 54:12
  I love good production and you guys have done this is a good
• 54:15
  sonically sounding record but also love like the old like 90s
• 54:20
  like black metal record that sound like the recorder, like a
• 54:22
  set recorder I love. The mix, That's what you were
• 54:26
  supposed to do. Yeah, you were supposed to do
• 54:28
  that. It's like, because I mean,
• 54:29
  listen to Venom, you know, and I mean any, any Venom record from
• 54:32
  the 80s, it just sounded like they recorded that in about 26
• 54:36
  minutes and moved on. Yeah, they did.
• 54:38
  It on one of those cassette decks and they were like, can
• 54:40
  you hear the, the, the, the burning church in the
• 54:43
  background? You know, I think it's like, no,
• 54:45
  I can't, but I, I can. I can picture a burning church
• 54:47
  in the background, now that you say it, you know?
• 54:49
  So how hard is it for you guys when you guys are recording
• 54:53
  live? Like how hard is it to get like
• 54:54
  the sound of the band that you guys are looking for?
• 54:57
  Because obviously I'm sure this has change shapes, probably
• 55:00
  different, different key tone key registries.
• 55:04
  You know where we're it's going to be mainly in D or CS or
• 55:07
  wherever, whatever note you want to play in.
• 55:09
  When did the band sound to you guys like a band?
• 55:13
  I think it's yeah. We began, you know, turning
• 55:16
  songs around because everybody had obviously Brock contributed
• 55:20
  to every single one of the songs vocally to get 2 songs that
• 55:23
  Ryan, you know, came up with in completion virtually like hey
• 55:27
  guys, want to hear a song I wrote shit.
• 55:30
  Fucking awesome. Also in a B standard, right?
• 55:34
  So I was. Psyched because?
• 55:36
  The old die cast stuff, you know, I was had the seventh
• 55:38
  string just tuned up a half step and then back down to B
• 55:40
  standard. But I was like, oh, OK, so I
• 55:43
  gave you shit all the time. I'm like, well, now we have to
• 55:45
  bring more guitars, damn it, because title Then in drop drop
• 55:49
  C, you know, so if you're doing drop C and you, you know, you
• 55:53
  run the risk of breaking a string and you need a backup
• 55:55
  guitar. OK, so that's two guitars and
• 55:57
  now B OK, you want to bring an extra guitar in case.
• 56:01
  So that's four guitars. It's just kind of like one of
• 56:03
  those things that I always give a shit about.
• 56:05
  But I was surprised simply because the the half step
• 56:09
  difference that it that it all kind of translated pretty well.
• 56:12
  And since we were back and forth between the stuff and
• 56:14
  approaching it with the production side, because Ryan
• 56:18
  knows his shit. He's been running a studio and
• 56:19
  recording shit for years and so he know he and he probably had
• 56:23
  an idea of exactly what he wanted his drums to sound like
• 56:25
  and where we were going to start.
• 56:26
  So we spent the time back and forth and also on Zoom, like we
• 56:31
  want to get this right. We have the time to do it, let's
• 56:34
  get it right and how can we improve it in each iteration as
• 56:37
  we went back and forth with it? Yep.
• 56:39
  Exactly. Technology, man.
• 56:41
  So you're going to play live. So what?
• 56:44
  Oh, we could if we wanted to. Yeah, sorry.
• 56:46
  I, so I, I should specify that. So Ryan has an electric drum
• 56:52
  kit. And so every single one of the
• 56:54
  songs that he would perform, we would get a MIDI piano roll, you
• 56:57
  know, that kind of a thing. And then we determine like, we
• 57:00
  know what your drum set sounds like.
• 57:01
  So in a perfect world, if we were to go into a studio and
• 57:04
  record it, we know the dimensions of your, your kick
• 57:06
  drum, that kind of a thing. So just built it up from scratch
• 57:08
  and on a Zoom call on multiple occasions, we do this thing
• 57:12
  where if I'm in Pro Tools and I get the master bus with the
• 57:15
  drums coming through it, I have this, this, God, I'm going to
• 57:19
  blank on the name of it. Great product placement, dude.
• 57:22
  Perfect, perfect. Holy crap.
• 57:25
  I'm so sorry. Because they're really, they're
• 57:27
  really great people. That kind of thing.
• 57:29
  I'll think of it. It will pop up into my brain
• 57:30
  later. And I'll put it on screen for
• 57:32
  you later. Yeah, exactly.
• 57:35
  Can we, can we all stand still so we can do a hard cut audio
• 57:37
  movers. Thank you.
• 57:38
  Yeah. So there's this is this is plug
• 57:40
  in called Audio Movers that no, the company called Audio Movers
• 57:43
  makes it, it's a plug in that you put on the master bus of a
• 57:47
  track in, in Pro Tools or something like that.
• 57:49
  And it generates a URL that a user can navigate to and listen
• 57:54
  in full fidelity on the other side of something.
• 57:57
  So this is where on the precipice of doing this for for
• 58:00
  practicing that kind of a thing, running our tracks, basically
• 58:03
  communicating on Zoom, being in different places and being able
• 58:05
  to start a click track. And then Brian can be practicing
• 58:09
  of the song. I can be practicing from here
• 58:11
  and he's got full fidelity on the other side of me and every
• 58:14
  other element there. And he's playing along with the
• 58:17
  guys in the room. So in this case, the audio
• 58:19
  movers URL, you navigate to it, he can be listening on whatever
• 58:22
  his preferred device may be and he hears it in full fidelity.
• 58:26
  So he's like, Yep, OK, all right, that sounds about right
• 58:28
  or whatever. Could we just pitched that that
• 58:30
  drum down just a hair like that and we'll bring it down a cent
• 58:33
  or something like that, tune all the drums accordingly.
• 58:35
  And then then we were just, you know, off to the races as far as
• 58:38
  like really fine tuning all of the drum sounds that we that we
• 58:41
  wanted with samples, you know, from, from the kit and that kind
• 58:45
  of thing. But at the same time,
• 58:46
  prepackaged ones that we could really, you know, get some
• 58:49
  mileage out of or ones that match the dimensions of the
• 58:52
  drums and then build that kit in real time and then finesse it
• 58:57
  and refine it moving forward. I I can see OJ is already think
• 59:01
  and he's like like I don't want. I bet I could.
• 59:04
  Yeah, I got. I'm thinking of where I can put
• 59:06
  a drum kit in here. You can.
• 59:08
  There you go. You have plenty of room.
• 59:09
  You got plenty of room. I got to talking, talking to
• 59:11
  Ryan even like you could be there's there's never not enough
• 59:14
  room for a drum kit. So make it work.
• 59:16
  Agreed. Yeah.
• 59:18
  And it'll be an E kit. If, if, if, if all works out.
• 59:21
  So there's nobody gonna be banging on your wall and that
• 59:23
  kind of stuff. I found I found another company
• 59:25
  that does like E kit like bass mats where they get the little
• 59:31
  platform it's a little I forgot the name of it right now I'll.
• 59:34
  Pop so your downstage neighbors, right?
• 59:36
  Yeah. So your downstage neighbors
• 59:37
  won't be super pissed. Yeah, so like.
• 59:39
  Oh, it's like, oh, it's kick drum all day long and like, oh,
• 59:42
  you're not, it's not transferring to the floor.
• 59:44
  The guy, it's a great, it's a great idea.
• 59:47
  Yeah, that's really all it is. It's the, it's really the kick
• 59:49
  drum that vibrates the most. But, you know, there's the, you
• 59:52
  know, the mesh heads kind of make a little bit of a slap
• 59:55
  noise, but it's better than, you know, waking.
• 59:57
  I hope you're you're all your angry, you know, neighbors so.
• 1:00:02
  I really also it's it's got to be comical for somebody who has
• 1:00:07
  absolutely no idea what you're doing to walk by your apartment
• 1:00:10
  and hear somebody going nuts on an E kit.
• 1:00:13
  Because you can probably hear like the, the heavy breathing of
• 1:00:16
  the drummer and the in the in the, the, the the rebounds of
• 1:00:20
  like the kick kick from peddle neck.
• 1:00:21
  It probably sounds like a sex swing or something like that.
• 1:00:24
  You know what I mean? They're like, yo, I don't know
• 1:00:25
  what, what 4C is up to, but man, fuck, you know, like they're
• 1:00:30
  doing a lot of sex, a lot of sex.
• 1:00:34
  But yeah, the, the, the whole, the whole production process,
• 1:00:36
  whatever was easy because it wasn't a, there wasn't a
• 1:00:39
  deadline. We planned to self release this
• 1:00:41
  once everything was kind of together.
• 1:00:42
  And then when Spine Farm had some interest in the, the songs,
• 1:00:45
  when Brad, I mean, when Brock passed them along to them, we
• 1:00:48
  were like, OK, that kind of thing.
• 1:00:49
  But then we were in a holding pattern as to when it was going
• 1:00:51
  to fit into, you know, their release schedule.
• 1:00:54
  So we weren't able to really tell the world about it for
• 1:00:57
  quite some time. So a lot of people were like,
• 1:00:58
  happened, you know, what the Hell's going on?
• 1:01:00
  Oh yeah, I noticed. I noticed that on when I was
• 1:01:03
  like this. Let me see, what else did he
• 1:01:04
  release? Because I know I heard, because
• 1:01:05
  I remember I heard stuff from you.
• 1:01:08
  So that guy when I was on YouTube.
• 1:01:10
  But it's like, Oh yeah, some of the stuff says, Oh yeah, coming
• 1:01:12
  out in 2023. Yeah, as far as we thought it
• 1:01:15
  was, yeah. And so, yeah, things, things
• 1:01:18
  changed when Spine Farm was interested in, it was like,
• 1:01:20
  that's cool. But once again, this is another
• 1:01:22
  variable, you know, you're playing by somebody else's, you
• 1:01:25
  know, schedule, that kind of thing.
• 1:01:26
  But we we made it work. We took the time that we were
• 1:01:29
  kind of like in holding and just made sure that we were
• 1:01:32
  comfortable with everything. And they just, you know,
• 1:01:33
  fine-tuned everything. I think now we're getting to
• 1:01:37
  real records in the sense of this is when it's supposed to
• 1:01:40
  come out because all the records that were delayed from COVID the
• 1:01:44
  last couple years have just been crammed in with proper releases
• 1:01:48
  from that that year. And it's like, hey, you're
• 1:01:51
  playing catch up. So you're getting like.
• 1:01:52
  Sure. Extra records right now, I feel
• 1:01:54
  like there's a lot of it's a lot of noise out there and for
• 1:01:57
  better or worse, like it's, you know, like something like this
• 1:02:00
  kind of stands out of the pack because it's like, all right,
• 1:02:04
  like I said earlier, it doesn't you know, if you're looking for
• 1:02:06
  it's not it doesn't have it's it's nostalgic in the your
• 1:02:10
  band's nostalgic in the sense of who's in the band, not
• 1:02:13
  sonically, you know, if that makes.
• 1:02:14
  Sense OK, that's good. That's good because, you know,
• 1:02:17
  at the same time, because Ryan, how many albums you you put out?
• 1:02:20
  I mean, between the Lady of the Dunes stuff and all that kind of
• 1:02:23
  stuff. So Ryan does like a ton of
• 1:02:24
  production also. So we, we try to try to kind of
• 1:02:28
  like go back and forth and get the best of both worlds and, you
• 1:02:30
  know. Mostly, yeah, mostly my own
• 1:02:32
  projects these days. I was recording people, but you
• 1:02:35
  know, just, you know, when COVID hit, you know, everyone, you
• 1:02:39
  know, everyone became a, an expert with, with a laptop, you
• 1:02:42
  know, and it was just like, well, all right, you know, go,
• 1:02:45
  go for it, man. You know, and then everybody
• 1:02:47
  started a podcast. Every, everyone's.
• 1:02:50
  I'm joking. I'm joking, totally.
• 1:02:51
  It's true. It's true.
• 1:02:53
  Like we pivoted. It's like, hey, we we're not
• 1:02:54
  going to shows. How can we talk about music?
• 1:02:56
  We started doing like a a weekly 100.
• 1:02:58
  Percent. When but, but it's good, thank
• 1:03:01
  God, because the other thing is people are a little bit more
• 1:03:03
  technically advanced. They they learn how to use
• 1:03:05
  microphones and Internet databases and what do you call
• 1:03:08
  it? You know, just like the analog
• 1:03:09
  to digital conversion taking place.
• 1:03:11
  People hadn't messed with these things, but now you could and
• 1:03:14
  what the focus right Scarlets, we used to always joke around
• 1:03:17
  like who needs like, you know what A2 channel, you know,
• 1:03:20
  analog to digital interface or whatever that you just plug into
• 1:03:22
  your laptop and all of a sudden everybody needed one just so
• 1:03:26
  they could go to work, you know, and or tell a, you know, commute
• 1:03:29
  that kind of a. Thing until they figure out like
• 1:03:31
  until they figure out these USB microphones and it's like hey
• 1:03:35
  cool they sound just to me they sound just as good as expensive
• 1:03:37
  ones it's all you know like we're all audio nerds to a
• 1:03:41
  degree like we like we know what we like we know what sounds
• 1:03:43
  wrong it's like oh they're they don't know how to use this
• 1:03:45
  microphone they're too close on the microphone they're too far
• 1:03:48
  back when I hear like people do zoom like you know zooms and
• 1:03:51
  it's like oh why are they talking into the computer don't
• 1:03:54
  they have like a headphone at least you know like sometimes
• 1:03:56
  you just know and it's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:58
  It just give you the scrunchy nose.
• 1:04:00
  But I'm. I'm just jealous because you're
• 1:04:02
  your fucking microphone. Not only does it change color,
• 1:04:05
  but it's like a it's, it's got a white capsule on it, so it pops
• 1:04:08
  out and everything like that. And I'm just.
• 1:04:10
  Yeah, that's a sexy little set up there.
• 1:04:12
  That was, this was on purpose because I was like, hey great,
• 1:04:15
  my chair is black and I usually wear black like for interviews.
• 1:04:18
  Like I made a conscious effort not to wear black shirts in a
• 1:04:21
  black chair. I can see where you're going
• 1:04:23
  though, because yeah, if that was a black capsule, yeah, it
• 1:04:26
  all would be would. Be just see a head.
• 1:04:27
  It looked like you like you. Yeah.
• 1:04:30
  Yeah, exactly. Just a floating head right here.
• 1:04:32
  But dude, like, legitimately, if if you were wearing black and
• 1:04:34
  that had a black capsule on it, all it would look like is kind
• 1:04:36
  of like a small digital lava lamp just hovering in place in
• 1:04:40
  front of your in front of your torso.
• 1:04:43
  Yeah. Yeah, I think this gives me a
• 1:04:44
  little extra little kick. It's a contract to wear.
• 1:04:47
  I get to wear like a color like, oh, that's where I get to wear
• 1:04:49
  my white shirts, and that's where I get to wear like my
• 1:04:52
  green shirts. And that's what anything that's
• 1:04:53
  not black gets worn. And you are?
• 1:04:55
  Growing up in front of my eyes, I love it.
• 1:04:59
  I love no. Look at you watch.
• 1:05:02
  All right, let's see that case. Back to music.
• 1:05:04
  Back to music, since you guys recorded all this stuff,
• 1:05:08
  basically the way you guys wrote was all remote.
• 1:05:11
  Was anything written together, like in the same room, old
• 1:05:14
  school style, or is it all? I'm sure things are probably
• 1:05:17
  more arranged in person, but anything from oh, Track, you
• 1:05:21
  know, like, Oh yeah, you know, it was a glass mountain.
• 1:05:23
  We all were in the room together and we came up with the song.
• 1:05:25
  Glass Mountain would be Ryan and Ty so he could.
• 1:05:28
  It was, yeah. I mean, there's, there's all
• 1:05:30
  kind of like, like we were talking earlier there, like
• 1:05:33
  there's all kinds of collaboration and there's,
• 1:05:34
  there's the, you know, some, there's been some live cross
• 1:05:37
  collaboration too, Like when, when Tyler would come up with an
• 1:05:41
  idea, you know, he does have, like, you know, he does have a
• 1:05:45
  studio rig, but he just, you know, he feels more comfortable
• 1:05:48
  either having John track him or me track him.
• 1:05:50
  So there were a couple times where he came up to my place and
• 1:05:55
  we just, you know, he had, he had an idea and we worked it out
• 1:05:58
  together and we, you know, we sent it to the guys.
• 1:05:59
  They ate and ate it. I think the first time though,
• 1:06:02
  we were, we had gotten a show when we, when we announced our
• 1:06:07
  first show, that was really the first time, I think we were all
• 1:06:10
  in a room together kind of the old school way.
• 1:06:13
  And I, you know, it didn't suck, you know, it was, you know, we
• 1:06:17
  knew, right, We knew, right, Because I remember being like,
• 1:06:19
  well, this is the, this is the moment of truth, you know, I
• 1:06:22
  mean, you know, we've been, we've been talking and
• 1:06:24
  collaborating for so long. It's like a, it's like a, it's
• 1:06:27
  like a long distance relationship and people meeting
• 1:06:29
  for the first time, you know. So it's like is, do we you know,
• 1:06:31
  is it there or is it just, you know, does it just exist on a
• 1:06:35
  recording level? It's.
• 1:06:36
  Online. Dating with just like everything
• 1:06:39
  in common and you don't get a lot of the same likes.
• 1:06:41
  But how's it going to work in the room?
• 1:06:43
  But I think too, but, but you know, when we started working,
• 1:06:46
  you know, it's like, OK, we have this pile of songs and we have
• 1:06:49
  an opportunity to play in front of people.
• 1:06:50
  Now we can hash him out in a great, you know, we Tyler had
• 1:06:53
  gotten one of his friends to kind of clear out a garage for
• 1:06:55
  us. We, we, we all met up in there.
• 1:06:59
  It was old school, you know, that like this is where it kind
• 1:07:01
  of, you know, we, we use technology to make all the
• 1:07:04
  writing and all the art happen. But now we, it's almost kind of
• 1:07:07
  like Rocky 4, you know, you're going back-to-back to chopping
• 1:07:10
  wood and, and running through snow to, you know, to, to work
• 1:07:15
  through, you know, building muscle.
• 1:07:17
  And then that's exactly what it was.
• 1:07:18
  Now we're all in a, you know, Fast forward, we, we have a show
• 1:07:21
  in a few days. Brock flies in and we're all in
• 1:07:24
  this big sweaty garage hashing it out.
• 1:07:26
  And, and everyone, man, everyone's a workhorse.
• 1:07:28
  And, and I think that, you know, there is a plan, I think to be,
• 1:07:32
  you know, we have 3 records with, with Spine Farm.
• 1:07:35
  So this is only the beginning. I think that the next record
• 1:07:38
  you're going to see a little more of a organic dynamic.
• 1:07:40
  Because I know that Brock wants to take some time to, you know,
• 1:07:44
  come out to us a little more and, and be a little more part
• 1:07:46
  of the writing in a live setting.
• 1:07:48
  So, you know, but these rehearsals, these initial
• 1:07:52
  rehearsals for our first two shows definitely helped us have
• 1:07:56
  the confidence to know that it works.
• 1:07:58
  It's, you know, it worked. Yeah.
• 1:08:00
  It wasn't just a blind date, you know, So.
• 1:08:03
  Yeah. And.
• 1:08:04
  I did see you guys to do. I forgot.
• 1:08:06
  Yeah. You guys managed to do do your
• 1:08:09
  first two shows. I remember seeing them on
• 1:08:12
  Facebook about it. And then you guys did a tour.
• 1:08:14
  I'm blanking on it. I've tried to look up who you
• 1:08:17
  guys did a tour with. We haven't done it.
• 1:08:19
  Yeah, we haven't done. It was it just those two shows
• 1:08:21
  then? Yeah, I forgot who the two shows
• 1:08:23
  were with. The problem is, is like they
• 1:08:25
  were such good shows that they look like they should have been
• 1:08:29
  a tour package. And in in fact, like it makes a
• 1:08:33
  lot of sense. Like Kill switching gates,
• 1:08:34
  headlining a show with fit for an Autopsy and US opening sounds
• 1:08:37
  kind of like a touring package in in a way, you know, that kind
• 1:08:40
  of a thing. But it just happened to be our
• 1:08:41
  our first show and we've been lucky enough to have like our
• 1:08:44
  first and second show being some of like.
• 1:08:47
  Yeah, and different death ray vision was on that, too.
• 1:08:50
  They were too. It was just.
• 1:08:51
  Yeah. I mean, you couldn't.
• 1:08:52
  I mean, I mean that that night was amazing, you know?
• 1:08:55
  So. Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  And I had a few friends that were like, oh man, how's the
• 1:08:58
  tour going? I'm like, now that was that
• 1:08:59
  dude. Yeah.
• 1:09:00
  It was the one night. Yeah.
• 1:09:02
  And it was yeah. I wish it was more, but, you
• 1:09:04
  know, we did that. And then about a month later, we
• 1:09:07
  flew. We all flew up to Alaska to open
• 1:09:09
  for Three Days Grace on, you know, on Brock's turf.
• 1:09:12
  So and you know, that's another, you know, sold out, you know,
• 1:09:17
  capacity venue like I mean, our first two shows were we've been
• 1:09:21
  pretty lucky, you know, so you. Couldn't have asked for two, you
• 1:09:24
  know, better debut show on a second show.
• 1:09:27
  And even when we were telling all of our our friends at the
• 1:09:30
  show, people were coming up there like, hey, great job, that
• 1:09:33
  kind of a thing. I'm glad to see you guys out and
• 1:09:34
  doing things etcetera. So with everybody around, how
• 1:09:38
  did you guys make get work or whatever, like how long you been
• 1:09:40
  practicing for? And it's like you look at the
• 1:09:43
  watch and you're like, well, today's Friday, 3, three days,
• 1:09:46
  3-3 days. Everybody kind of like does all
• 1:09:49
  of their homework on their own, keeps the chops up and then when
• 1:09:52
  we get together, the other thing is man is like, you know, guitar
• 1:09:55
  pro tab everything out and you can just hit play.
• 1:09:58
  And it's like you, I want to work on this part, loop it, you
• 1:10:00
  know, that kind of a thing. And I'm lucky enough to have all
• 1:10:02
  of the tracks here on each one of the sessions.
• 1:10:05
  So I just, I can play it in, you know, an infinum for as long as
• 1:10:10
  I watch us to practice too. And we just got in the room and
• 1:10:13
  we were just, since we had known one another, we'd all hung out
• 1:10:15
  together was just a matter of now we just have instruments in
• 1:10:17
  our hands when we're playing these songs we've been working
• 1:10:19
  on. And it came very, very, very
• 1:10:21
  naturally. And there was, there was no
• 1:10:23
  clog. There was no problem or anything
• 1:10:25
  like that. And we were, it was like what,
• 1:10:27
  what still blows my mind. It was like early June and early
• 1:10:31
  June anywhere, especially, you know, on the, the Northern
• 1:10:35
  Hemisphere could be 96° or it could be, you know, that kind of
• 1:10:38
  thing. We were in a garage, which was
• 1:10:39
  awesome just to practice in the garage made it feel more just
• 1:10:42
  like a band, but it could have been miserable as fuck if it was
• 1:10:47
  150° out and we're just like suffering in there.
• 1:10:50
  But it was perfect. It was like 60° in there and I
• 1:10:53
  was like, Oh my God, this is just absolutely perfect.
• 1:10:56
  Hashed everything out, went over all the things that we weren't
• 1:10:58
  able to work out ever before. And, you know, just hop on stage
• 1:11:02
  at the end of the week. So it was, I'm sure nerve
• 1:11:05
  racking for a lot of us just because it was like make this
• 1:11:07
  work, you know, and, and luckily we did.
• 1:11:10
  And I think that's just a testament more to just everybody
• 1:11:12
  doing it on their own to a point where they can bring it into a
• 1:11:16
  garage and we can just kind of vibe on everything and put it
• 1:11:19
  all together. Make it make it work.
• 1:11:20
  So do we have any plans for the album release we're doing like a
• 1:11:25
  like a listening party or anything coming up?
• 1:11:27
  Well, we can. Well, we do have a release show
• 1:11:30
  and that's, well, the, well, the album comes out May 2nd, but we
• 1:11:34
  do have a release show planned for June and that's going to be
• 1:11:37
  June 7th at Gabe's in Westfield, Mass.
• 1:11:40
  And yeah, we nice small, kind of smaller venue, you know, to kind
• 1:11:44
  of, you know, make it a, a nice, you know, cozy sort of vibe for
• 1:11:49
  everyone. We actually have Byzantine
• 1:11:52
  coming up for that one. So and then our friends and Hero
• 1:11:55
  and the Horror are also playing it.
• 1:11:57
  So it's going to be, it's going to be a party.
• 1:11:59
  It's going to be amazing. Other than that, we did have
• 1:12:03
  some plans, but they kind of fell through.
• 1:12:05
  So right now, at this very moment, we have that show
• 1:12:08
  planned, but we're beyond that. We're always writing.
• 1:12:11
  We're, we're actually about 3 or 4 songs into the next record.
• 1:12:14
  You know, we're, we're already sort of doing everything that
• 1:12:16
  John was just talking about with technology.
• 1:12:18
  It doesn't ever stop. We're we're yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:23
  And and so we're already kind of, you know, we, we put a, we
• 1:12:26
  put a real interest in writing and, and, and, you know, just
• 1:12:29
  expressing ourselves musically. And we really hope that we'll
• 1:12:33
  get, you know, I mean, there'll, there'll be an opportunity to
• 1:12:35
  get on the road. We just have to wait for the
• 1:12:37
  right one, kind of, you know, fall on fall on our lap.
• 1:12:40
  But I can say we do have one show and.
• 1:12:44
  That's going to be awesome, dude.
• 1:12:45
  If you if you want to come up, man, we absolutely.
• 1:12:51
  I've already talked to to Dave and he David Brodsky and he, he
• 1:12:55
  hasn't said one way or the other whether or not he's going to go,
• 1:12:58
  but he's like, Oh my God, that's so cool.
• 1:13:00
  And then he was, he didn't he didn't commit because at the
• 1:13:02
  same time he's going to run a past alley.
• 1:13:04
  Obviously, you know, that kind of a thing.
• 1:13:06
  But yeah, we're trying to get a contingent from the city, New
• 1:13:09
  Jersey, that kind of a thing up in that direction.
• 1:13:12
  And if you haven't seen mean any of the stuff that Tyler's been
• 1:13:15
  doing, he has rented this amazing space in Westfield.
• 1:13:21
  And it's all the theme like the Shining called the Gold Room.
• 1:13:25
  And it's right above this place, Gabe's that we're playing on
• 1:13:28
  June 7th. It's such a vibe he's been
• 1:13:30
  doing, you know, like kind of like real cool, unique events
• 1:13:33
  there between wine pairings and whiskey tastings and acoustic
• 1:13:38
  shows and all this stuff with all people in the local scene
• 1:13:41
  city of Holmes. Ryan was playing drums with us.
• 1:13:44
  We got a chance to play down at Gabe's whatever.
• 1:13:46
  And Gabe's got a vibe almost like it's it's it's almost the
• 1:13:50
  size of 2A sevens, if you could imagine two of those
• 1:13:54
  back-to-back. And it's so good.
• 1:13:57
  Good bar, but also good space as far as the amount of people that
• 1:14:01
  can be there. Amazing sound system for the the
• 1:14:04
  room because it's also a place that they do like Friday or
• 1:14:07
  Thursday, Friday, Saturday nights like club nights and
• 1:14:10
  Tyler bounces there. It's just like it's a cool
• 1:14:13
  hometown vibe that he's got going there in between what he's
• 1:14:16
  got upstairs with all the events at the Gold Room and what he's
• 1:14:20
  got going on downstairs with this as well as what has he done
• 1:14:23
  like maybe 5 or 6 shows at Gabe's and at least 10 or 15
• 1:14:27
  upstairs at the Gold Room, which also double S as our practice
• 1:14:31
  space in the time leading up to this show.
• 1:14:34
  So the, the, the week prior to it will be upstairs making noise
• 1:14:37
  when we can and practicing all that stuff.
• 1:14:39
  Brock comes into town and there's a couple of other things
• 1:14:42
  that I think Tyler has this the specific details that he'll be
• 1:14:46
  releasing over the course of the next month or so as far as
• 1:14:50
  details and some some other really cool things he's got in
• 1:14:52
  the mix that we'll also be sharing on, you know, our our
• 1:14:55
  Instagram and paradise slaves Instagram, our Facebook page,
• 1:14:59
  etcetera. So there's a couple of things in
• 1:15:00
  the works, but that show will be awesome because it's nice and
• 1:15:03
  small, but it's also I know people that are huge 36 crazy
• 1:15:07
  fist fans that are like, wait a second, Westfield, MA.
• 1:15:09
  I'm going to be able to go see one of my favorite singers of
• 1:15:12
  all time at a place called Gabe's 252.
• 1:15:15
  And it's like, yeah, yeah, get your tickets, man, before they
• 1:15:18
  sell out, you know, like, so it and it's always awesome.
• 1:15:21
  It always feels like a homecoming going back there just
• 1:15:24
  because there's so much family and friends there that I I know
• 1:15:28
  I'm looking forward to it. I can't wait.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, me too, man. So all that being said, you're
• 1:15:33
  going to basically play, if not the whole damn record.
• 1:15:37
  Should people expect or you know, hope for, I'm sure people
• 1:15:40
  are gonna hope for like, oh, they might do this, this song
• 1:15:43
  from each of one of your guys, uh, bands and stuff.
• 1:15:46
  You know, what's I don't is that, is that a thing you guys
• 1:15:49
  would consider? I know some bands like they're
• 1:15:50
  like, Oh yeah, you know, you know what's from these other
• 1:15:52
  bands. Here's one song from his but.
• 1:15:54
  Not that one song, Not you know, I'm not and I'm not trying to
• 1:15:57
  shoot it down that that that that would be very cool.
• 1:16:00
  Not this time, though, We're going to make it a very paradise
• 1:16:02
  slaves related, because I mean, it's it's a it's an album
• 1:16:05
  release. We want to we want to celebrate
• 1:16:07
  this album. We do, we do.
• 1:16:09
  We are going to put some covers, a couple covers to kind of, you
• 1:16:13
  know, break up the the monotony a little bit.
• 1:16:15
  Some super fun covers. Obviously you know, one of them,
• 1:16:17
  somebody to shove, but we do have some other stuff in in the
• 1:16:21
  mix of it. But no, we're not going to be
• 1:16:24
  treading on the old, the old stuff, you know, not, not this
• 1:16:29
  time. But that it is a good idea.
• 1:16:30
  It's been, it's been floated around.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah, even if you, I mean, even if you did it justice, this,
• 1:16:34
  this that, that stuff lives in people's hearts and minds so
• 1:16:39
  deeply that even just to kind of, you know, touch on it or
• 1:16:43
  whatever like that might be doing a disservice to all the
• 1:16:45
  people that were involved in it before.
• 1:16:46
  And that's not like me saying it on the die casting or whatever.
• 1:16:49
  But if if somebody hopped on stage and said, Hey, I know all
• 1:16:52
  of the 36 Crazy Fists song, why don't we play a 36 crazy this
• 1:16:55
  song, I'd immediately be like, I don't, I don't know, man.
• 1:16:58
  Like that is that's gospel. You know that that stuff just
• 1:17:00
  exists on such a, a different place that I, I would feel
• 1:17:05
  strange trying to trying to, you know, in any way hold the candle
• 1:17:09
  to that, you know? Have Broxing singled out.
• 1:17:13
  I know he probably would, he probably would, he probably
• 1:17:16
  would. And I, and I'm sure, you know,
• 1:17:18
  wherever Paul is right now, he would be psyched for it 'cause
• 1:17:21
  he always loved, you know, he always loved Brock's voice and
• 1:17:23
  everything like that. And, and Paul was also one of
• 1:17:25
  those dudes that just, you know, loved, you know, the, the
• 1:17:28
  oblivion, embracing oblivion, like we always say.
• 1:17:30
  And just kind of like, oh cool, let's do a let's do a song.
• 1:17:33
  Have we practiced it? Fuck it, let's just do it.
• 1:17:35
  You know, let's just, you know, we're all here.
• 1:17:37
  We're all here in this in a matter.
• 1:17:38
  So, but no, like, like Ryan said, no, no plans for that.
• 1:17:43
  But at the same time, there are a couple of little, you know,
• 1:17:45
  surprises and and whatnot. And that week leading up to it,
• 1:17:48
  like I said, I'm just looking forward to that because Ryan
• 1:17:51
  knows I just love playing. So when it comes to rehearsing,
• 1:17:54
  when it comes to just being around everybody too, it's just
• 1:17:56
  it's such a great vibe. We have fun, man.
• 1:17:59
  No, yeah, definitely. Yeah, we have, we have a good
• 1:18:02
  time together. So we're looking forward to,
• 1:18:04
  we're looking forward to just the whole process of, you know,
• 1:18:06
  getting everything together and then, you know, it's going to,
• 1:18:08
  it's going to be sad when it's over, but you know, it's not
• 1:18:10
  going to be, it certainly won't be the last time we play.
• 1:18:13
  But right now it's the only, it's the only one on the
• 1:18:16
  calendar. So we just go, we, we just go
• 1:18:18
  from there. Man, I wish like I'm hoping for
• 1:18:21
  as much success as you guys can possibly handle.
• 1:18:24
  Yeah, Thank you. We'll take it as it comes.
• 1:18:26
  We, we, I think we've, we've always said that we had
• 1:18:29
  absolutely no expectations in this like.
• 1:18:31
  Oh yeah, yeah. We said we, we set the bar very
• 1:18:33
  realistic. And it's like, I mean, the, the
• 1:18:36
  fact that anyone outside the five of us has heard these songs
• 1:18:40
  is that's good enough, you know? And, and I know it might sound a
• 1:18:43
  little cliche, but the response that so far, I mean, it's, it's
• 1:18:48
  looking pretty good. I mean, we're, we're all stoked
• 1:18:50
  and we're, we're all so grateful for anyone to have any, you
• 1:18:53
  know, any, you know, we're grateful for anyone to take a
• 1:18:56
  take a listen to us. So we appreciate it.
• 1:18:58
  I think the whole self release thing and like a the idea of
• 1:19:02
  like, you know, if we put this out there, you know, should we
• 1:19:04
  print CDs like we'd like? We've also been in bands and
• 1:19:07
  that kind of a thing that did things a while back.
• 1:19:09
  So we we're not necessarily versed in how people do it, you
• 1:19:12
  know, releasing an EP or single by single or whatever.
• 1:19:15
  We're playing by those rules or the things that work the best
• 1:19:18
  for spine farm in this. Case, yeah.
• 1:19:20
  And yeah, shout out to shout out to Tim and Darren, Spine Farm.
• 1:19:23
  I mean, those guys, those guys like, again, you know, when,
• 1:19:27
  when you put out a, you know, I, I mean, I've been in bands and
• 1:19:30
  I've been signed and, and you know, it is just, it's a
• 1:19:33
  different time. And I, you know, Tim and Darren
• 1:19:36
  have been able to help us navigate these sort of, you
• 1:19:39
  know, like, okay, this is how, this is how you do it.
• 1:19:41
  You got to put out singles, You got to kind of test this, tease
• 1:19:44
  this, you know, and, and that they're, they're, they've been
• 1:19:46
  awesome about that. So, you know, shout out to Spine
• 1:19:49
  Farm for helping us out on that. They've been a great partner and
• 1:19:52
  collaborator for us. And a super unexpected part of
• 1:19:56
  this. Very unexpected, yeah.
• 1:19:58
  I mean, we, we didn't put any, we did not put this project
• 1:20:01
  together to, to get signed or make a single cent so.
• 1:20:05
  Not to mention. Anything that happens now is
• 1:20:07
  just a bonus. We've all been there, done that.
• 1:20:11
  So it's also one of those things where it's kind of like once
• 1:20:13
  bitten or twice bitten, three times shy or whatever it may be.
• 1:20:16
  So going into it, we, we were kind of like, well, would we
• 1:20:18
  want a label, you know, like that?
• 1:20:20
  We've, we've had some in my personal experience, had some,
• 1:20:24
  you know, some ups and downs with that in the past.
• 1:20:27
  So who knows, But this was kind of like a breath of fresh air
• 1:20:29
  like, oh shit, this is how people that care operate.
• 1:20:32
  And they came so highly recommended from, from Brock
• 1:20:34
  because I guess when 36 landed there, they just had just a
• 1:20:38
  great experience with, with Tim and Darren just on a personal
• 1:20:41
  level, Kish and all those guys over there.
• 1:20:44
  So it was, it was a known quantity as well as a
• 1:20:47
  respectful. And, and it's been one of those
• 1:20:49
  things where it's like, all right, guys, you know, tell us
• 1:20:51
  what we got to do because we don't necessarily know, you
• 1:20:55
  know, I got on Spotify, but you know, like we need to navigate
• 1:20:58
  this. And so they've been very, very
• 1:21:00
  helpful with that and just looking forward to it, man.
• 1:21:03
  We have no expectation involved and there's merchandise and they
• 1:21:06
  we have vinyl. You can pre-order ACD and vinyl
• 1:21:09
  and a wall. It's nuts.
• 1:21:11
  It's nuts to even say that. What you know, like that just so
• 1:21:14
  cool to me, you know, nonetheless, it was it's been
• 1:21:17
  it's been a learning experience, but at the same time it's we can
• 1:21:20
  get you the link too. If you wanted to do any of the
• 1:21:22
  the pre-order stuff or put a link in the in the video.
• 1:21:25
  All in the description when this comes out man.
• 1:21:27
  Oh hell yeah, I take care of it all.
• 1:21:29
  Hell, he knows what he's doing. He knows.
• 1:21:30
  What he does, he does. I will say it is it must be
• 1:21:33
  really refreshing being born in the 19 1900s to have a new
• 1:21:39
  record deal. Like so much easier than the
• 1:21:42
  first time you guys had record deals in your previous projects.
• 1:21:45
  It's like you had to like those those years of build up to even
• 1:21:49
  get somebody to look at you. And now it's like, Oh yeah, I
• 1:21:52
  remember you from this other thing.
• 1:21:53
  Hey, we're all friends. You're everybody's the same age
• 1:21:55
  or similar mindsets. And it's like, oh, here, yeah.
• 1:21:59
  You know what? I like your thing.
• 1:21:59
  I'll put your thing out on my record.
• 1:22:00
  Like say what now? Yeah.
• 1:22:02
  It's one of the things where like this.
• 1:22:05
  What a difference day makes. Let alone an entire fucking
• 1:22:09
  century. We are in a different century.
• 1:22:12
  There's my cat, by the way. Speaking of centuries.
• 1:22:16
  She's been living couple couple 100 years or whatever.
• 1:22:18
  She's my familiar. We go way, way, way back, way
• 1:22:21
  back. Like Victorian times when I got
• 1:22:23
  bit, you know, that kind of a thing myself.
• 1:22:25
  Shinobi, come say hi to the boys.
• 1:22:27
  Age is pretty fly for a white guy.
• 1:22:29
  Not all white guys age very well, but.
• 1:22:31
  He's a very, he's a very mysterious man.
• 1:22:33
  It's it's got those good jeans, that gypsy jeans or something
• 1:22:36
  like like that. I don't know.
• 1:22:38
  This is the one that keeps me just going.
• 1:22:40
  Shinobi, say hi to the boys. Do something.
• 1:22:42
  Hey Shinobi. Shinobi say hi.
• 1:22:44
  Ghost cult loves cats. Ghost Cult loves cats you
• 1:22:47
  probably get but she's not doing a whole lot.
• 1:22:50
  But she's really fluffy and pretty cute so I'll just put her
• 1:22:53
  down and let her do cats. Do.
• 1:22:55
  You. I like that idea.
• 1:22:56
  It goes close. Those love cats.
• 1:22:57
  My partner it's very cat friendly.
• 1:22:59
  Dude, we. Put the most caterday post up.
• 1:23:01
  I'm like God bro come on what? This is a metal why are you
• 1:23:04
  putting this on water? Instagram dude.
• 1:23:05
  Ryan just did a a drum play through video that he just
• 1:23:09
  released recently. It was awesome to see.
• 1:23:10
  And Ryan, we got to talk after this 'cause I got some questions
• 1:23:13
  for. You alright?
• 1:23:14
  Alright? Yeah, alright.
• 1:23:15
  Absolutely. And we did a guitar playthrough
• 1:23:17
  video and I, I toyed with the idea.
• 1:23:19
  I was like, maybe I'll ask the guys whatever.
• 1:23:21
  Like I don't want to take too many liberties or whatever, but
• 1:23:23
  I'm like, I'd like to hide all of our cats heads in the guitar
• 1:23:26
  playthrough video and have a contest and anybody correctly
• 1:23:28
  identifies where they are. We'll just give him some prizes.
• 1:23:31
  So in the guitar playthrough video, there's floating heads of
• 1:23:35
  Ryan's cat Wiley, who's absolutely he is.
• 1:23:39
  He is the man that Speaking of like living for centuries.
• 1:23:42
  He is a a well versed old gentleman.
• 1:23:45
  Absolutely, Absolutely. Definitely and he shows up on
• 1:23:48
  Ryan's kick drum at one point, you know, his head goes flying
• 1:23:51
  around and like and so every people were able to do it.
• 1:23:54
  So we got a little little prizes that are cat oriented as well as
• 1:23:58
  cat designed. And I'll, I'll get you something
• 1:24:01
  OJ, I'll get you some, some cat stuff if you want to keep the
• 1:24:04
  paradise slaves and ghost ghost called cat stuff going here.
• 1:24:07
  Comes a new collab. Yeah, there you go.
• 1:24:11
  We can have we could have a podcast at the Meow Parlor down
• 1:24:13
  the Lower East Side. We got to, yeah, we definitely
• 1:24:16
  got to hang out, man. It's been too, Yeah, it's been
• 1:24:18
  too. Like, I can see you randomly
• 1:24:19
  here and there, and now I'm randomly seeing you and get on
• 1:24:22
  the zoo. Exactly.
• 1:24:23
  That's so randomly. Not, not really, but if you went
• 1:24:26
  out out to your window and screamed, I could probably hear
• 1:24:29
  you like we're we're only 70 blocks away or something like
• 1:24:32
  that. I'm surprised like a fire engine
• 1:24:34
  hasn't gone by and you're like, wait a second.
• 1:24:36
  I I shut the windows. I have both windows shut.
• 1:24:38
  I'm just like hoping. I'm just hoping for the best.
• 1:24:41
  Yeah, it's a good thing to hear it.
• 1:24:43
  I heard a helicopter and I was like, I bet you if I listen hard
• 1:24:46
  enough that I could probably hear the helicopter on your side
• 1:24:48
  of it. So I was like, we're really not
• 1:24:50
  that far away from one another, so.
• 1:24:51
  It's crazy. I love this.
• 1:24:53
  I like the city life now. It's kind of, it's interesting.
• 1:24:56
  It's interesting. In our old age, you know.
• 1:24:59
  Like hey man, I appreciate you guys so much for this as we get
• 1:25:03
  ready to wind this after winding this down.
• 1:25:04
  Appreciate your time. You know we've dude.
• 1:25:06
  You. Thank you for having us man,
• 1:25:08
  this is really fun. I gotta I wonder like.
• 1:25:10
  How much? How much of your time can we
• 1:25:11
  really waste? Like we got fun.
• 1:25:13
  And I pay, I pay for like the unlimited thing.
• 1:25:15
  So I'm good to go. Like nice and.
• 1:25:17
  Ryan. Podcast I love a long podcast
• 1:25:19
  cause these interviews to me are like are like I feel things
• 1:25:22
  should be more conversational than anything you know, here's a
• 1:25:25
  question. Give me an answer.
• 1:25:27
  It's like. Oh yeah, we'll talk here off.
• 1:25:28
  Yeah. Everything goes where it flows
• 1:25:31
  organically or. The less transactional they can
• 1:25:33
  be, the more interesting I always find them.
• 1:25:35
  You know what I mean? Like.
• 1:25:36
  Sometimes they get so boring when they're just very answer
• 1:25:39
  yes yes. Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  I like it when it's just like seemed like this, you know, just
• 1:25:44
  friends talking, even if I've just met you for the first time,
• 1:25:46
  like you, Ryan, I like everything to feel like oh, just
• 1:25:48
  friends talking and just chatting.
• 1:25:50
  It's. Like absolutely right back at
• 1:25:51
  you, man. Thank you And.
• 1:25:52
  I got to say this things are like full circley kind of
• 1:25:55
  things. I got to say this record starts
• 1:25:57
  because I had this record played a few times, a bunch of times
• 1:26:00
  really, and I had it on like repeat.
• 1:26:03
  Am I like tripping? Like the way it starts is kind
• 1:26:05
  of like fairly and it kind of ends kind of similarly.
• 1:26:09
  Is that done intentionally? Because it's like when you hit,
• 1:26:11
  when it replays itself, you know?
• 1:26:13
  I feel like John who notes that seem similar.
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, John. That's my Dream Theater like
• 1:26:19
  nerd stuff where this record ends here in the next song for
• 1:26:22
  the next record starts with that tonality into the next record
• 1:26:26
  just tripping. I don't know.
• 1:26:27
  No, you're not, John. I'm going to let John field this
• 1:26:30
  one because that is exactly what was John.
• 1:26:34
  You must be like wowed right now.
• 1:26:37
  Yeah, I'm, I'm like, oh, Jay, man, you are, you are on just
• 1:26:41
  another level, man. I appreciate that because these
• 1:26:43
  are, these are the dumb things that I like.
• 1:26:45
  I, I, I spend hours thinking about and like, should I put
• 1:26:49
  this into, you know, into place or whatever like that.
• 1:26:51
  We made sure that all of the songs started on the downbeat
• 1:26:54
  from the last song, you know, that kind of a thing.
• 1:26:56
  And if you have it on loop and you just hit play, it will
• 1:27:01
  return on the downbeat and it will return in the same, it
• 1:27:05
  drops into the next song on the downbeat.
• 1:27:07
  And as a drummer, you probably noticed that like, oh, OK, I
• 1:27:10
  can, I can feel this. So it doesn't necessarily it
• 1:27:13
  ebbs and flows, but it has a a structure as far as you
• 1:27:18
  anticipate the next song. And it hits you when you if you
• 1:27:21
  were just kind of like bobbing your head to it, whether it's
• 1:27:23
  1/4 note on her eighth note and at the very end of the album.
• 1:27:27
  Yeah, it's got a little outro that kind of does a little
• 1:27:30
  chordal thing and then it drops back to the note that the album
• 1:27:32
  starts on. So if you listen to it in the
• 1:27:34
  loop, it will start right back over.
• 1:27:36
  Yeah, glad you picked up on it. That's really fucking cool.
• 1:27:39
  I. Just I kind of enjoy those kind
• 1:27:42
  of like tonality. I don't know if the right words
• 1:27:44
  for it. I'm just making my own.
• 1:27:46
  But yeah, the tonality of like this ends this way.
• 1:27:50
  Then it kind of snake eating its tail, a Cerberus, it kind of
• 1:27:54
  eats its own tail. It's like your back to the
• 1:27:56
  start. Here's the end of the cycle, and
• 1:27:58
  now you're back to the beginning and they all flow similarly.
• 1:28:01
  You, Sir. Or onto something.
• 1:28:03
  Alexa. Nothing.
• 1:28:04
  Nothing gets by you, Omar. Seriously.
• 1:28:06
  Damn. Right, so discerning listener
• 1:28:09
  right there, you know, and and that that also was kind of like,
• 1:28:11
  well, thank you for listening to the entire album and its
• 1:28:14
  completion. Paradise Slaves appreciates the
• 1:28:16
  fact that you were able to do that, you got through it and
• 1:28:19
  that kind of thing. So you get extra credit for that
• 1:28:20
  and we give you a plus plus Gold Star for the day, you know, that
• 1:28:23
  kind of thing. But yeah, that's really cool.
• 1:28:25
  I'm I'm glad that you picked up on that.
• 1:28:27
  Maybe it's, you know, those things that you you don't
• 1:28:29
  necessarily notice, but you kind of notice them.
• 1:28:32
  Like I've always loved that about albums.
• 1:28:33
  D laughs from the Comatorium, one of my favorite albums of all
• 1:28:37
  time, the Mars Volta. They had elements of that where
• 1:28:40
  you never knew when one song ended and the next song began if
• 1:28:44
  you were just to listen to it in it's complete duration.
• 1:28:46
  And I always loved that because it's an experience.
• 1:28:48
  It's kind of like the, you know, the way that you used to listen
• 1:28:50
  to an album back in the day. You'd buy it, you'd hit play,
• 1:28:53
  and you'd look in the liner notes and just enjoy.
• 1:28:56
  You said earlier you guys are already like writing elements of
• 1:28:59
  the next record like to you guys.
• 1:29:01
  Yeah, this is this is old to you guys.
• 1:29:04
  It's a continuing process. Yeah, you're on to the.
• 1:29:07
  Next stop. One stop.
• 1:29:08
  Yeah, like what have you guys, I guess.
• 1:29:10
  Yeah, this should. Yeah.
• 1:29:12
  Not that sophomore slump record. There's no way it can be.
• 1:29:15
  But I feel like you guys have learned what?
• 1:29:18
  What have you guys learned from each other when you wrote the
• 1:29:20
  first song? It's like, OK, like I'm writing
• 1:29:22
  this song. Hey, I'm bringing this song to
• 1:29:24
  the table for the first time. And now you guys completed an
• 1:29:26
  album. Now, you know, oh, I know what X
• 1:29:29
  person likes. Oh, I know.
• 1:29:30
  Oh, this will be something I think he would like.
• 1:29:32
  And this one would like, you know, And people forget about
• 1:29:34
  the bass player, you know, some people forget about Brad, you
• 1:29:36
  know, And it's like. How can you forget about Brad?
• 1:29:40
  You know Brad. Brad the brother man, we love
• 1:29:42
  him. Yeah, you.
• 1:29:44
  Know Brad? Actually, Brad, actually.
• 1:29:46
  Is good in the mixing of the bass because sometimes people
• 1:29:49
  still mix basses low sometimes and it's like, you know,
• 1:29:52
  sometimes basses get kind of muddied between kick drums
• 1:29:55
  sometimes or these they get lots of the mix sometimes.
• 1:29:57
  And I think Brad sits right in the middle, right in a good spot
• 1:30:01
  where you can, you don't have to struggle to hear him.
• 1:30:03
  And I find that. Speaking of bass, Speaking of
• 1:30:05
  bass, your buddy George Pond agrees from disciples of Verity
• 1:30:08
  because you know, he he wants to hear that bass.
• 1:30:11
  He wants to hear that bass. The the The thing is man is like
• 1:30:14
  Brad is one of those dudes that is just like so tried and true
• 1:30:17
  and like legitimately. Tyler took over for Brad's
• 1:30:21
  position when we were touring for internal revolution because
• 1:30:24
  Brad injured his arm stayed on as the tour manager.
• 1:30:27
  Well, Tyler played bass for die cast on that seven dust tour.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah, it was an early it was an early tour that we did.
• 1:30:34
  I can't remember. ANYWAYS, the the Long story
• 1:30:36
  short being that Brad has always been there going back to
• 1:30:40
  breeding ground when when when Paul and he played in a band
• 1:30:43
  that we stole, you know, Paul from and brought him to die
• 1:30:46
  cast. So like he is just always been a
• 1:30:48
  fixture and he's just couldn't be a nicer guy and more genuine
• 1:30:51
  guy. And like Ryan said, he wrote he
• 1:30:54
  there's a brand new song that is going to be on the next record
• 1:30:56
  that he he wrote in entirety. So stoked to get, you know, you
• 1:31:00
  know, working on that that kind of a thing.
• 1:31:02
  Once once. I don't know exactly when we'll
• 1:31:04
  say here's the end of this album cycle just because it's been so
• 1:31:08
  long and so stretched out. But once the album drops, see
• 1:31:11
  what it does, see what we can do with it and what people want to
• 1:31:14
  hear from us as far as they want us to play out or not.
• 1:31:18
  You know, we're totally open to that.
• 1:31:19
  But at the same time, you know, there's at least, what, 3 or 4
• 1:31:23
  songs that I'm aware of that you guys have been working on.
• 1:31:26
  Yeah, we have. Yeah, we're about, we're about
• 1:31:28
  four or five deep now. So there you go, four or five
• 1:31:31
  deep. But you know, they can still be
• 1:31:33
  hashed out. So they're only in the demo
• 1:31:35
  phase. They're not in any sort of like
• 1:31:37
  completion, just we're still kind of letting them marinate
• 1:31:40
  and we'll go back and, you know, it's kind of like the first
• 1:31:43
  batch, you know, we, we just, you know, there'll be some
• 1:31:46
  there. I remember even like there were
• 1:31:49
  some, you know, just tiny little, you know, rests and and
• 1:31:53
  fills that that John had sort of like polished up on one of the
• 1:31:58
  songs he did. Yeah.
• 1:32:00
  For those who watched the sea. And I remember just being like,
• 1:32:02
  wait a minute. Oh, I didn't notice that the
• 1:32:03
  last time. He's like, oh, yeah.
• 1:32:04
  Well, I, I, I took the guitar out during that, during that
• 1:32:07
  fill or something, you know, just we're always kind of.
• 1:32:09
  Eternally tinkering. Just eternally tinkering, you
• 1:32:12
  know, and the eternally tinkering.
• 1:32:13
  Yes. I'm over here as the guitar
• 1:32:16
  player who's writing drums, which is like the worst thing in
• 1:32:19
  every drummer's life. So it's kind of like, Oh yeah,
• 1:32:21
  if I had 6 arms, I could fucking play that.
• 1:32:23
  But I don't, so I'm not going to, I'm going to play this, you
• 1:32:26
  know what I mean? So there's always that byproduct
• 1:32:29
  of Ryan actually getting behind the kit and playing it and that
• 1:32:33
  kind of a thing and then that, you know, importing that into
• 1:32:35
  the song. But I as far as what we've
• 1:32:37
  learned from one another, I have personally learned that
• 1:32:40
  everybody is a like not I knew I knew everybody was a phenomenal
• 1:32:45
  songwriter, but I didn't know to the level of of their
• 1:32:47
  songwriting ability to such time as we heard, you know, this new
• 1:32:51
  track, this new track. What do you think about this
• 1:32:53
  etcetera, as well as I'm that guy that was always, you know,
• 1:32:56
  yes, and can we can we take something and and make it even
• 1:32:59
  better? That kind of a thing.
• 1:33:00
  If the answer to that is no, then that's great.
• 1:33:03
  But like with fever, there was a like I I almost hear like a
• 1:33:06
  little overdub or whatever. And you were just kind of like
• 1:33:08
  cook, go for it, do it, do do whatever you'd like, that kind
• 1:33:11
  of a thing. And I was like, take it or leave
• 1:33:13
  it. And I kind of thing and I was
• 1:33:14
  happy to take it away if it, if it, but you were you were
• 1:33:16
  excited about that and you were happy with it.
• 1:33:18
  So as far as I was concerned, the collaboration really works.
• 1:33:22
  And if we're going to be able to be collaborative together in one
• 1:33:25
  room, all the better. And I think that we're going to
• 1:33:28
  be this time around which which will just make it even even
• 1:33:32
  easier and more more of a love fest, more of just a this is
• 1:33:36
  this is fun. Thank you guys.
• 1:33:38
  You know that kind of a thing because I always look forward to
• 1:33:40
  getting, you know. Yeah, fun is the name of the
• 1:33:42
  game, so they like to have fun. As much fun as this is, you
• 1:33:46
  know, I can't think of anything else I want to mention about
• 1:33:50
  this record. Yeah, man.
• 1:33:51
  And they have a album release show in June in Massachusetts.
• 1:33:56
  And all of our socials pretty, pretty easy to get around, you
• 1:33:59
  know, that kind of a thing. The other thing is with it, with
• 1:34:02
  such a strange unique name like Paradise Slaves, you can, if you
• 1:34:05
  search for it, you're going to find it.
• 1:34:06
  You know, you're also going to find a whole lot of horrible
• 1:34:08
  things that you don't want to find, I'm sure.
• 1:34:11
  But at the same time, hopefully we'll be closer to the top of
• 1:34:13
  the list. And you know you can get most
• 1:34:16
  recent information on the Facebook in the.
• 1:34:18
  Right behind Paradise Lost. Exactly, exactly.
• 1:34:21
  And I don't know, there's there's somebody slave paradise
• 1:34:26
  who made a song or whatever, like because somebody was like,
• 1:34:28
  I listened to the song and it was different than I expected.
• 1:34:30
  And I'm like, should be the URL. And it was somebody who just
• 1:34:33
  created like this ambient song and it was called Slave
• 1:34:36
  Paradise. And I was like, no, no, that's
• 1:34:38
  yeah, that's not us, but cool. Hey, you know, may never have
• 1:34:42
  heard of this, this band had it not been for the the name of
• 1:34:44
  the, you know, the Brock found and kind of stuck.
• 1:34:47
  So, you know, we'll take it. We'll take it, man.
• 1:34:50
  Well, I hope to hear more of your gentleman singing on the
• 1:34:53
  next the future records and future stuff, because I think
• 1:34:57
  you guys sound great. I.
• 1:34:58
  Think those faders come down? Those faders come down.
• 1:35:00
  I mean, it would, truly. Together, if I you know, I don't
• 1:35:03
  know if it's all Brock on the album, but in the video,
• 1:35:06
  whatever you guys look like you're all singing and whatever
• 1:35:08
  the little pieces I've seen here and there, it's like yo, the
• 1:35:10
  little live pieces I've seen online.
• 1:35:12
  Why not man? Just, you know.
• 1:35:13
  I don't think there's any. Songs, voices.
• 1:35:14
  There's definitely. Not any.
• 1:35:16
  Yeah, that's right. Well, dude, there's no solo
• 1:35:18
  tracks. There's no, there's no Ryan
• 1:35:20
  Manning. You know, like Jazz Odyssey
• 1:35:22
  where he's singing and playing the drums at the same time just
• 1:35:25
  by himself. Except for the not.
• 1:35:27
  Yet anyways. Not yet, not yet.
• 1:35:29
  But umm, no, it melds. It melds pretty well together.
• 1:35:32
  So, oh, he's got a cough button. You got a cough button man.
• 1:35:36
  Yeah, Slick, slick. It went dark.
• 1:35:38
  I got nervous. Oh no, that's it.
• 1:35:40
  It's like you button on top. It's like like I know how to
• 1:35:42
  keep the room quiet and shut the fuck up.
• 1:35:44
  The like whoever I'm talking with talk.
• 1:35:47
  But you you could also probably like reach over the camera
• 1:35:49
  wouldn't even see it and you could just mute them whenever
• 1:35:51
  you wanted to and you just kind of like.
• 1:35:53
  I've never, I barely do. Like I'm trying to just get
• 1:35:57
  ahead on like all my stuff and work on other podcasts.
• 1:36:00
  That's a music related metal and rock movies podcast.
• 1:36:03
  I haven't looked at the name yet where it's like, I mean, this is
• 1:36:05
  a metal movie or a cartoon. Hey, let's just talk about that
• 1:36:08
  for this movie. Let's talk about the dirt.
• 1:36:09
  Let's talk about, you know, Lords of Chaos, any of that
• 1:36:12
  stuff that's like metal and rock related.
• 1:36:14
  It could be an episode about it. Ever.
• 1:36:16
  That's awesome. I already have my Co host
• 1:36:18
  already, you know, you might know my Co host.
• 1:36:20
  I can't really talk about it because we haven't really talked
• 1:36:22
  about it. Yeah, we got to figure out
• 1:36:24
  scheduling, you know. Hey, dude, we're interested.
• 1:36:26
  We're all about that kind of stuff.
• 1:36:27
  He hit up Tyler too. I mean, he'll, he'll probably
• 1:36:29
  come on it. Yeah.
• 1:36:31
  Tyler probably knows my my person.
• 1:36:34
  Oh, nice, nice dude. Well, he'll, he'll pop up on a
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  Zoom and he'll be at the Gold Room and it's all Shining
• 1:36:39
  themed. It's all The Shining.
• 1:36:41
  So it's it's totally got a vibe for that.
• 1:36:43
  And we love talking about horror movies, you know.
• 1:36:45
  But if we continue talking, we'll Jesus Christ, if we
• 1:36:48
  continue talking, we'll just like eat up everybody's time.
• 1:36:51
  Sorry. Oh, yeah, I'm going to go watch
• 1:36:52
  sitters tomorrow. I'm going to go watch that one
• 1:36:53
  tomorrow. I did see Sinners Doubt.
• 1:36:56
  I'm looking forward to that. I just saw that trailer the
• 1:36:58
  other day for the first time. I was like, all right, I'm in.
• 1:37:00
  I have a list. It's literally just making the
• 1:37:02
  time to like, I got to get better at time management.
• 1:37:04
  It's like I need to fucking start playing music again.
• 1:37:07
  I need to start playing drums because yeah.
• 1:37:08
  You and me both. I was like, Jesus Christ, I need
• 1:37:10
  to like fucking play music more. It's like I kind of took a break
• 1:37:13
  because, you know, you get that band drama.
• 1:37:15
  It's like I don't want to play anymore.
• 1:37:16
  I like I lost the love and it's like I do miss it.
• 1:37:19
  That's how I ended up getting like roped into like doing this
• 1:37:21
  thing with with my partner because I know him from Castle
• 1:37:24
  heights roll. Like we all learned, we all met
• 1:37:25
  from from from there, you know? So it's like it, just like, man,
• 1:37:30
  I got to fucking be in a band again.
• 1:37:33
  You got to find a Ryan, a Brock, a Tyler and a Brad.
• 1:37:36
  You know that guy. Just just, you know.
• 1:37:38
  Just say. Dime a dozen, dime a dozen man,
• 1:37:43
  but no legitimately man when you find The thing is, is also with
• 1:37:47
  the expectations involved like this just goes back to that
• 1:37:49
  entirely where we were just having fun doing it.
• 1:37:52
  If it's all the light of day, great.
• 1:37:54
  If a couple of people listen to it, even better.
• 1:37:56
  So with those expectations at a a, A as a working point, working
• 1:38:00
  forward with them, that is super helpful because all of a sudden
• 1:38:03
  people don't have different expectations for the final
• 1:38:08
  product. So as long as there's that
• 1:38:09
  communication there or whatever like that in any band, it's like
• 1:38:12
  being in a relationship with four other people.
• 1:38:14
  You know, it takes time, it takes effort.
• 1:38:16
  And if you don't put out, you know, what you need to, you're
• 1:38:18
  not going to get back what you're expecting.
• 1:38:20
  So yeah, dude, you know, it's just deep breaths.
• 1:38:24
  Like yeah, I played like I, I played it for you.
• 1:38:27
  Like one of the projects I have, like I'm literally having like 2
• 1:38:29
  bands. I have two different sonically
• 1:38:32
  sounding bands with similar members.
• 1:38:34
  And it's just like, yeah, we need to get together to go do
• 1:38:37
  this. Like we need to record this shit
• 1:38:39
  properly. And I'm like, I don't like the
• 1:38:41
  digital drums. Like if you listen to Ghost
• 1:38:43
  Colt, like the intros to our our videos and the outros of our
• 1:38:47
  videos is one of our songs, is one of my songs I used to play
• 1:38:51
  live. And now it's like, yeah, we kind
• 1:38:53
  of like digital up it. This sounds a little cooler now.
• 1:38:56
  Like, shit, I gotta relearn how to play my own song.
• 1:38:58
  Yeah, I was like, damn, why did it make it sounds better?
• 1:39:03
  Yeah. You know, so I got that learning
• 1:39:05
  curve ahead of me of like, you know, learning old songs.
• 1:39:08
  And it's like I got we're all still alive.
• 1:39:10
  And again, yeah, people fucking dying left and right now It's
• 1:39:13
  like, shit, like, you know what, maybe I should like, hurry up.
• 1:39:15
  And the clock is ticking, you know.
• 1:39:18
  And, and I hate to say it because like, it's just for me,
• 1:39:20
  it's a constant reminder. It's a, you know, losing Marco
• 1:39:24
  this week, losing Kevin last week, you know, that kind of a
• 1:39:26
  thing. It, it reminds you, it puts
• 1:39:27
  everything into perspective, right?
• 1:39:29
  It puts everything into respective like I'm my own worst
• 1:39:32
  enemy. If I like, you know, sleep till
• 1:39:34
  10:00 and I'm like, man, I could have done a whole lot more if I
• 1:39:37
  woke up or something like that. But sometimes my, my favorite
• 1:39:40
  pastime outside of music and doing all that kind of stuff is
• 1:39:43
  laying down next to my cat, sleeping, waking up and opening
• 1:39:46
  my eyes and be like, oh gosh, you're just a fun friend.
• 1:39:49
  Thank you for being there and going back to sleep and
• 1:39:51
  listening to our per. It's like, like our priorities
• 1:39:54
  have changed, but at the same time, there's something to be
• 1:39:57
  said for time management, which I am horrible all that.
• 1:40:00
  So I, if you figure out how to work that out, let me know.
• 1:40:02
  But at the same time, it's, it's a matter of like, you know, how
• 1:40:07
  variety is the spice of life. I always find myself longing to
• 1:40:11
  do the things that I that that your soul wants you to do when
• 1:40:15
  you're doing other things. So I think that with that
• 1:40:18
  variety comes that desire to carve out that time and manage
• 1:40:23
  that time moving forward from that point because the only
• 1:40:27
  thing you want to do. When you're doing something else
• 1:40:30
  is perhaps something else if you're not necessarily in the
• 1:40:32
  mindset to be doing that right. And so it's always kind of like
• 1:40:35
  that, that distant memory that you're getting nostalgia for
• 1:40:40
  before it happens. But it's going finally coming
• 1:40:42
  through on the stuff and, you know, buckling down and doing
• 1:40:45
  it. But you got time, man.
• 1:40:46
  You got plenty of time. Yeah, you know, as long as I'm
• 1:40:49
  still above ground, I got time. Oh hell yeah, man.
• 1:40:51
  So besides Paradise Slaves, do you guys have anything else
• 1:40:54
  going on? Other projects you're working
• 1:40:56
  on? I think you said you were doing
• 1:40:58
  a Blitz Kid album later possibly?
• 1:41:00
  Maybe. Yes, I'm going, I'm heading down
• 1:41:04
  with the guys. We're we're going down to Jersey
• 1:41:07
  to, you know, basically drop, you know, drop the basics on 10
• 1:41:11
  new Blitz kid tunes for a new record that'll probably be out
• 1:41:14
  this year. And then we go, we're, we're,
• 1:41:16
  we're going to Europe doing some festivals and then we go to the
• 1:41:21
  UK and then we do have sort of a Midwest tour in September.
• 1:41:25
  And then after that we go back to Europe with Wednesday 13 for
• 1:41:29
  a Halloween tour. So what's kid is kind of kind of
• 1:41:33
  busy around like the spooky season, as you can probably
• 1:41:37
  figure out why. So, but that's, you know,
• 1:41:39
  besides that, I mean, that's, you know, that and the, you
• 1:41:42
  know, constantly kind of in the paradise slaves chat, working on
• 1:41:45
  new ideas. We're, you know, we're always
• 1:41:47
  collaborating and just staying as busy as we possibly can.
• 1:41:51
  And you drown. I get, I'm lucky man, because
• 1:41:55
  like outside of some event stuff that I do or whatever, I just
• 1:41:58
  sit here and write music and and like get it licensed, like
• 1:42:02
  little sync licensing and that kind of a thing.
• 1:42:04
  So since I'm always writing music is always stuff that
• 1:42:07
  doesn't have a place. And I've been once again, time
• 1:42:09
  management trying to find some time where I just take all the
• 1:42:12
  stuff that makes sense and just kind of put it out.
• 1:42:15
  And I keep telling myself I'm going to do it and it just keeps
• 1:42:17
  piling up and it doesn't get done.
• 1:42:19
  But yeah, the outside of paradise slaves, there's a
• 1:42:23
  couple of things that I've been messing around around with.
• 1:42:24
  That kind of a thing, I can tell you about it.
• 1:42:27
  A kind of a thing like not a rock opera, because I know if it
• 1:42:30
  sounds so silly. And once again, everyone's going
• 1:42:32
  to start feeling bad for this poor man that lives with this
• 1:42:34
  cat and his kitchen and he's writing rock operas.
• 1:42:37
  Okay, this was a Covic thing also.
• 1:42:39
  This is one of the things I always wanted to do, but
• 1:42:41
  nonetheless, just like, you know how it is like you got a vast
• 1:42:44
  ray of all this backlog stuff that you just haven't really put
• 1:42:48
  out in the world. And you know, when you lose
• 1:42:50
  friends and you know people are passing away, there's a part of
• 1:42:53
  you that goes, what are you fucking waiting for?
• 1:42:55
  Just do it. Just just do it.
• 1:42:56
  Even even if people go, this is the worst thing I've ever heard
• 1:42:58
  in my entire life. At least you put it out there
• 1:43:00
  and you got, you know, the opportunity to for people to
• 1:43:02
  listen to it. And the greatest part about that
• 1:43:04
  is whenever I'm messing around with music or whatever, I'm
• 1:43:07
  like, this could work for a paradise slave song or this.
• 1:43:09
  And I make all those notations and just kind of aggregate all
• 1:43:12
  that stuff. But as far as output is
• 1:43:14
  concerned, that's my, that's my concentration, you know,
• 1:43:16
  getting, getting, coming back to the plate because these guys are
• 1:43:20
  already, you know, a couple of songs in some really cool
• 1:43:22
  sounding shit, like some really awesome sounding stuff.
• 1:43:25
  So just kind of my next steps are, you know, at the very least
• 1:43:30
  trying to put forth some music for them so they can actually go
• 1:43:33
  like, OK, all right. You know, this is this is as
• 1:43:36
  good as the stuff that we're putting together.
• 1:43:38
  So, you know, you're not out of the band.
• 1:43:40
  That kind of a thing. Yeah, dude, just living the
• 1:43:42
  dream, you know, watching my cat chase a laser beam.
• 1:43:44
  You know how it is. And there you have it, paradise
• 1:43:48
  slaves. John and Ryan guys, it's been a
• 1:43:51
  pleasure. Thank you guys so much for your
• 1:43:53
  over generous time. You too man, thanks for having
• 1:43:55
  us. Damn man, I will look forward to
• 1:43:58
  seeing you guys in person in June.
• 1:44:01
  June 7th, man. We're going to pull you up
• 1:44:04
  there. We're going to pull you up
• 1:44:05
  there, man. Yeah.
• 1:44:06
  And then record comes out May 2nd on Got it Spine Farm
• 1:44:12
  Records. Fine farm, yes, got it.
• 1:44:14
  You got it. Gentlemen, enjoy the rest of
• 1:44:16
  your night. You.
• 1:44:17
  Too, man. All right.
• 1:44:19
  Cheers guys. Take care.