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The Late Debate | 22 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate. Good evening
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the program. I'm Caleb Bond with Danika
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  Speaker 1: DiGiorgio and Michelle Stevenson. How are we tonight, ladies?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, very good, thank you. I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 3: Just happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad.
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  Speaker 2: That was so believable.
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  Speaker 3: I believed you. I am happy to be here.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I think we'll give Danika a leave pass on
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  Speaker 1: that one because, of course, you filled in for Shari
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  Speaker 1: last night, so you went to bed a little bit
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  Speaker 1: earlier instead.
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  Speaker 2: That must be what it is.
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  Speaker 1: You're just all a bit out of whack.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I also had a coffee for the first time
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  Speaker 3: in two years today, so I'm a bit wide for sound.
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  Speaker 2: Did you really? I did, yeah. I'm trying to reintroduce.
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  Speaker 1: She's getting ready for Europe, so, you know, she's like,
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  Speaker 1: can't go to Italy and not have a coffee.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up tonight. A homeowner thought he'd tizzy
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  Speaker 1: up his street by planting a native garden in the
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  Speaker 1: verge in front of his home, but the council's come
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  Speaker 1: along and told him to rip it all up. Is
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  Speaker 1: it OK to boo sportsmen? One of the world's top
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  Speaker 1: darts players says he's thinking about giving it all up
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  Speaker 1: because the crowds keep laying into him. And Australia has
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  Speaker 1: joined global calls to keep artificial intelligence under control and
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  Speaker 1: stop it from destroying the world. That's on the front
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  Speaker 1: of tomorrow's Herald Sun. But first, just a bit of
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  Speaker 1: breaking news now. Lachie Neal is out of Saturday's AFL
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  Speaker 1: Grand Final against Fremantle University. At the MCG, of course,
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  Speaker 1: he plays for the reigning premiers, the Brisbane Lions. His
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  Speaker 1: one-game ban for striking a Hawthorne player off the ball
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  Speaker 1: in the preliminary final last weekend has been upheld. A
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  Speaker 1: tribunal tonight took four and a half hours to reach
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  Speaker 1: its decision. And it's quite an extraordinary one, Danika. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, coming from the West, you'll have a particular
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  Speaker 1: appreciation for this match on the weekend. Of course. 320
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  Speaker 1: career games Lachie Neal has played, never been suspended. And
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  Speaker 1: so they tried to argue tonight that, you know, extenuating circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: he's got a completely clean record. It's the grand final.
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  Speaker 1: Jack Guinevan, who's the player he struck apparently, called him
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  Speaker 1: the other day and said, look, it wasn't a gut
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  Speaker 1: punch and they've still upheld the ban.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, you make one silly decision, it can
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  Speaker 3: change the entire course of your year, the entire course
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  Speaker 3: of your career. He would be absolutely gutted and devastated
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  Speaker 3: by this. If you are a Fremantle Dockers fan, you'd
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  Speaker 3: be pretty stoked right now.
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  Speaker 2: This is the best news possible.
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  Speaker 3: But you know what? I've got to be honest. Karma's
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  Speaker 3: a bitch.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it?
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  Speaker 3: It really is, because there would be some thinking out there, well,
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  Speaker 3: this is what you get for having an extramarital affair.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you went there.
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  Speaker 3: She went there. Well, yeah, some would be going, oh, well, lucky,
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  Speaker 3: you rounded out the year and you.
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  Speaker 2: Got what you deserved.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, no, but I just think this is something that
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  Speaker 4: you work really, really hard for as a sports person.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be absolutely devastating. Of course it will be.
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  Speaker 1: And Scott Pendlebury managed to get himself off in a
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  Speaker 1: similar circumstance previously.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's pretty extraordinary that they've upheld it. I
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  Speaker 1: would have thought, you know, clean record.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: 320 games, no suspensions. It's the grand final. It may
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  Speaker 1: well be the last one he plays with Chris Fagan for.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, it's not the decision I would have made, but
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  Speaker 1: there we are. That's what they will have to deal with.
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  Speaker 1: No Lockie Neal playing for the Brisbane Lions on the
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  Speaker 1: weekend in the AFL grand final. Of course, the AFL
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  Speaker 1: grand final is played in the great city of Melbourne,
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  Speaker 1: the MCG. What a great spot it is. But they're
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  Speaker 1: restricting now some of the things you can do in Melbourne. Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's been quite a popular thing for a while. People
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  Speaker 1: go down to the wine corner store in Carlton North,
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  Speaker 1: bit of a local restaurant, bottle shop, the whole works.
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  Speaker 1: People get a bottle of takeaway grog, bottle of wine,
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  Speaker 1: and they walk over the road onto this massive median
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  Speaker 1: strip that exists right out the front of the store.
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  Speaker 1: And they sit around on a nice sunny afternoon and
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  Speaker 1: basically have a picnic outside. share a few glasses of wine.
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  Speaker 1: It's become quite the popular thing to do. But now
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  Speaker 1: the Yarra Council says no more. You can't do any
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  Speaker 1: of that because it's in the middle of the road
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  Speaker 1: and therefore it is illegal. The council, and this, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, was not instituted by the councillors. It didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to a council meeting or anything. This is just
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  Speaker 1: the council staff who've had a few complaints from nearby residents.
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  Speaker 1: have taken it upon themselves to go and have a look,
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  Speaker 1: and they say the advice confirmed that for the purposes
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  Speaker 1: of the local law, the median forms part of the road.
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  Speaker 1: Alcohol consumption is therefore not permitted on the median at
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  Speaker 1: any time. Now, you can see in that photo that
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  Speaker 1: it's not a standard median strip. Like, it's not like they're...
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  Speaker 1: you know, sitting in the middle of the highway on
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  Speaker 1: a narrow strip of road, drinking grog and about to,
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  Speaker 1: you know, stumble off into the way of cars. It's
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  Speaker 1: a very quiet strip and very rarely do cars actually
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  Speaker 1: drive down there. Half of it's closed off to cars anyway.
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  Speaker 1: It's mostly a cycleway. They're treating it like it's a park.
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  Speaker 1: I don't see what the problem is. The wine corner
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  Speaker 1: store posted online, basically due to a few unrelenting, miserable
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  Speaker 1: neighbours who have been non-stop complaining to the council, an
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  Speaker 1: old classification of the space industry. is now being enforced.
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  Speaker 1: Can't we have any fun anymore, Danica? It just looks
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  Speaker 1: to me like they're having basically a picnic there. What's
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  Speaker 1: the problem?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I don't often side with the Nimbys, but I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to side with the Nimbys on this one. I
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  Speaker 3: would not want that ruckus outside the front of my property.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that, right?
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  Speaker 3: Because neighbours have said that they're drunken disorderly, they're leaving
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  Speaker 3: rubbish all on the ground. And if you look at
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  Speaker 3: the pictures closely, they are literally, you may as.
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  Speaker 2: Well say they're on somebody's doorstep. I wouldn't want that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be disturbed at all hours by this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be disturbed at night by this.
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  Speaker 3: Look at him stacking up his beers, his glass cans
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  Speaker 3: like that, acting disorderly. No, I wouldn't want that. I
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  Speaker 3: am never on the side of NIMBYs. Well, never.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I've never been on the side of NIMBYs.
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  Speaker 2: Of NIMBYs, to be fair. There you are.
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  Speaker 3: No, in this case, I am. I think that there
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  Speaker 3: is a time and a place. Why don't you go
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  Speaker 3: to your local park? Why don't you go to the
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  Speaker 3: local pub if you want to keep drinking? Don't sit
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  Speaker 3: on the medium strip in front of somebody's property and
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  Speaker 3: continue your ruckus there.
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  Speaker 2: Your ruckus. Bah humbug, she says.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Look, don't you think... I mean, you're going to go
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  Speaker 2: to Europe.
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  Speaker 4: Isn't this quite European to sit outside for people.
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  Speaker 2: To collect themselves together? On somebody's property. It's not someone's property.
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  Speaker 3: It is a council... It's public land.
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  Speaker 2: It's public land.
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  Speaker 3: But you're literally basically in front of someone's place.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a post-COVID tradition, so they've really gone
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  Speaker 4: out there after, you know, all the things that they
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  Speaker 4: had to experience in their lockdowns and everything. This was
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  Speaker 4: something that kind of developed after that. It was a
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  Speaker 4: nice way for the community.
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  Speaker 2: To come together. It's kind of a bit mean to
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  Speaker 2: kind of go, well, now we don't want it.
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  Speaker 4: We have similar things happening in my neck of the woods,
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  Speaker 4: in Waverley, Bondi Beach particularly. We have a little place
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  Speaker 4: called the Grassy Knoll. The kids like to get up
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  Speaker 4: there and have a few drinks.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it's illegal. Yes, the police like to walk through
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  Speaker 2: every now and again. Every now and again. But, like, also,
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  Speaker 2: there's something.
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  Speaker 4: Really nice about people getting together and sitting outside. And
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  Speaker 4: if you're not drunk and disorderly too much, then I
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  Speaker 4: think we should allow it.
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  Speaker 2: Key word, illegal.
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  Speaker 4: Can I tell you, though, as a counsellor, people love
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  Speaker 4: to complain about everything.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: And if we acquiesced to every complaint, it would be
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  Speaker 4: a very, very boring, boring world.
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  Speaker 2: But if it's illegal... But you just said it was
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  Speaker 2: illegal in your area. Of course it's illegal. It's illegal
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  Speaker 2: to have open bottles.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, also.
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  Speaker 2: So what's your point, then? If it's illegal... Live on
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  Speaker 2: the edge. Live on the edge.
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  Speaker 3: But how could you advocate for something that's against the rules?
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  Speaker 3: Because people like to pop.
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  Speaker 4: Open a bottle of something nice in the sunshine in summer.
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  Speaker 2: And do you know what?
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  Speaker 3: There's a very difference between, you know, you mentioned European dining.
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  Speaker 3: I'm all for alfresco dining. And if you look at
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  Speaker 3: this place, I actually do have the alfresco. They're out
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  Speaker 3: in their very front, you know, porch area there where
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  Speaker 3: people are sitting there. Fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm all for alfresco dining. We should expand on that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm more alfresco.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm not talking in the middle of a median
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  Speaker 3: street in front of somebody's property.
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  Speaker 1: I think that takes it too far. Surely there's a
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  Speaker 1: middle ground. Yes. where, you know, if there is dodgy
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  Speaker 1: stuff going on, people are yelling and shouting, that should
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  Speaker 1: be dealt with 100%.
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  Speaker 3: Well, so every week and week out, people get called in,
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  Speaker 3: stop being drunk and disorderly.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a nightmare for authorities. They're having fun.
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  Speaker 1: It happens everywhere. Yeah. What do you think happens?
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  Speaker 3: But in the middle of suburbia... OK, so you wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: have an issue a median strip in front of your property,
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  Speaker 3: people sitting there drinking at all.
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  Speaker 2: You wouldn't have a problem. It's a bit bigger than that, though.
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  Speaker 2: It is in the middle of the road.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just like a normal median strip. It's a
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  Speaker 1: huge expanse of grass. It would depend on the circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: If there were people carrying on, I wouldn't be calling
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  Speaker 1: up the council to say, can you ban people from
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  Speaker 1: going there? I'd be calling the police to say, can
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  Speaker 1: you move on the disordered people?
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  Speaker 3: But do you want to do that all the time?
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  Speaker 3: Every time there's somebody disorderly, you're going to get on
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  Speaker 3: the phone.
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  Speaker 2: That would annoy you.
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  Speaker 1: People would get the idea. Look, when I lived in
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  Speaker 1: South Melbourne, I lived across from a pub, number one,
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  Speaker 1: and there were people... Ideal. It was nice. They took
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  Speaker 1: a fair bit of my income, I have to say.
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  Speaker 1: But you'd get all sorts of weird and wacky people
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  Speaker 1: getting around there at all hours. I knew that when
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  Speaker 1: I moved in there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is a very valid point because this
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  Speaker 4: happens a lot, particularly in my neck of the woods.
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  Speaker 4: People move in because, you know, they like that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's very outgoing, there's lots going on, but then they
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  Speaker 4: start complaining. They start complaining that they can hear people,
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  Speaker 4: that people are having fun, and then we have to
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  Speaker 4: deal with the complaints.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think Enough of the complaints. Can't we just, like, live?
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  Speaker 3: But there's nothing wrong. But if you know that you're
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  Speaker 3: going to move into a place where you're going to
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  Speaker 3: be opposite a pub, that is your problem. Then you
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  Speaker 3: have to deal with that because you have to deal
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  Speaker 3: with the consequences that you know you're going to move
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  Speaker 3: into a place where it's going to be loud and disorderly.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm talking about this. This is completely different. This
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  Speaker 3: is not confined to one space. This is let's use
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  Speaker 3: a median strip, let's use another public land for day.
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  Speaker 2: Drinking or for night drinking.
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  Speaker 3: This goes beyond just being in the confined space of
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  Speaker 3: a pub or a restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned the night. I mean, look at this.
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  Speaker 1: This is a photo of people gathered on the median
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  Speaker 1: strip at night, right?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's not that many people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that looks pretty quiet and civil to me.
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  Speaker 3: That photo does, but have you seen the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the photos?
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  Speaker 1: Have you? We saw the stuff in the.
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  Speaker 3: Dates. Roll the tape!
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  Speaker 2: You know what's going to happen?
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  Speaker 1: The sound of people enjoying themselves. You know what's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to happen?
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  Speaker 4: You're going to come back from Europe and you're going
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  Speaker 4: to be like, everyone's allowed to drink wherever they want
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  Speaker 4: because in Europe that's what they do. They walk around
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  Speaker 4: and they have a really good time and there's no rules.
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  Speaker 3: No, look, I can't believe it, but I'm on the
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  Speaker 3: side of the Nimbys.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. I can't believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of... 22nd of September.
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  Speaker 4: Well, speaking of NIMBYs and councils and rules and all
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  Speaker 4: the things that are happening, there is a man in
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  Speaker 4: WA who, you know The Verge, you know that little
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  Speaker 4: bit that is not quite your land but it's just
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  Speaker 4: outside your house and you like to take care of it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, he went.
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  Speaker 4: About and he decided to fix it up a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: spent some money on it. And the council said, no,
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  Speaker 4: you can't do that. The council has forced him to
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  Speaker 4: rip out $ 800 worth of lawn. He spent $ 800 turning
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  Speaker 4: the ugly grass verge outside his house into a native
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  Speaker 4: garden because it looked much nicer and needed less water. Now,
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  Speaker 4: a few months later, his local council sent a letter
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  Speaker 4: telling him he had to remove it because it didn't
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  Speaker 4: get approval first. Now, that is just so sad for him.
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  Speaker 4: But I do have to say, as a local councillor,
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  Speaker 4: this is bang on. I know in Waverley we have
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  Speaker 4: rules and regulations. If you want to change the front
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  Speaker 4: of your verge, you have to apply first. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: you're allowed to do that. We will allow native bush.
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  Speaker 4: We will allow you to make some changes. We will
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  Speaker 4: allow you to even ask for trees. But you do
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  Speaker 4: have to go and ask the council first because you
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  Speaker 4: don't own the land and we don't know what you're
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: going to do with that land. So I think, look,
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  Speaker 4: this is fair enough. He did the wrong thing and
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  Speaker 4: now he's paying the $ 800 tap.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, seriously? So it was a piece of grass that
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  Speaker 1: he was mowing himself. The council wasn't... I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is the thing that I... So the council says, it's
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  Speaker 1: our land, it's the Verge, but they don't bother to
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  Speaker 1: come and mow it. They expect you to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So they're taking liberties from that respect. He decides to
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  Speaker 1: put in some native vegetation, which, you know, requires less water,
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  Speaker 1: less maintenance, good for everyone, adds a bit of something
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  Speaker 1: to the street. And then the council, basically out of pettiness,
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  Speaker 1: comes along and says, ah, well, you didn't ask for permission,
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  Speaker 1: so you'd better rip it up. And then if he
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  Speaker 1: goes and applies for it, they'll probably say, oh, you
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  Speaker 1: can put it back in. I mean, I just think
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  Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. Can we not just have some common sense
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  Speaker 1: about this stuff?
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  Speaker 2: But it's the rules. Did he not know this?
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  Speaker 3: Did he not know this before he morphed himself into
• 12:28
  Speaker 3: the gardening guru? Ripped up a public property, a bit
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: of public property. Surely you would have known that as
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  Speaker 3: a homeowner that you would know where the boundaries of
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  Speaker 3: your own property lay, right?
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  Speaker 1: But if the rules said you should jump off a bridge,
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: you'd say you should do it.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: But this is very obvious, that that's part of public land.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big deal. What's the... What's the big deal?
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  Speaker 2: You can't just rip up public land.
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  Speaker 1: What's the... It's not like he went down to the
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  Speaker 1: local park and decided he was going to subsume it
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  Speaker 1: and turn it into the fiefdom of whatever his name is.
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  Speaker 1: It's out the front of his house, land that the
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  Speaker 1: council was not looking after, and so he's decided to
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  Speaker 1: do a bit of his own looking after and put
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  Speaker 1: some plants here.
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  Speaker 5: Big deal!
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  Speaker 4: But I think the problem is, the problem is, where
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  Speaker 4: does it end? So, if he is allowed to do this,
• 13:15
  Speaker 4: then someone else is going to move in and someone
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  Speaker 4: else is going to do something else and then that's
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  Speaker 4: going to have a ripple effect. And also there was
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of pavement that went in... There was
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of paving that went in there. So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, there's trip hazards, there's things that councils have
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  Speaker 4: to look after. So I don't think that, you know,
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  Speaker 4: he should be doing this without consulting councils.
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  Speaker 3: OK, OK.
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  Speaker 1: Can I just ask?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's against the rules for him to do that, so
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: he shouldn't have done that. Yeah. What if it was
• 13:42
  Speaker 1: against the rules for him to have a beer on there?
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  Speaker 1: Would you say he should be able to have a
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: beer on there?
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: He should absolutely have beer at any time of the day.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: Ah, I see. So some rules but not others.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: Seriously, I can't deal. But then you're the same. No, no, no.
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: I've agreed. You're like, break those rules but not these ones.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: I've said they should be able to break both rules.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: They should be able to drink and they should be
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: able to put some plants on the verge. I don't know,
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: big deal.
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Caleb's feeling particularly loose.
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: He is.
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: He is.
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: He's going to end the show with his tie all unbuttoned.
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: No, no, look at him.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: We're not going to go that far.
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: But I just.
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: Why can't we just have a bit of common sense
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: about this stuff? I mean, what sort of... It's not
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: common sense, Caleb. It's rule.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: They don't own the land.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: What sort of person, what sort of council worker wakes
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: up in the morning and decides to go around... All
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: of them. All of them. Well, of course they all
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: decide to wake up in the morning unless they've, you know,
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: had a mischief in the night. And then go around
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: and go, oh, you know, oh, I've got to go
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: and tell that bloke to take out his plaits. I mean,
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: get a life.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: That's why they're council officers. They enjoy doing that.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: Get a life. Well, they should get a life is
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: what they should do.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: They should have a beer.
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed. On the verge.
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: On the verge. This is a big moment for you, Caleb.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I'm shook. I bring out the naughtiness in him.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: It's you, Michelle.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: It's me. If I were him, I'd be going and
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: putting a bar in the middle of it and saying...
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: You know, up yours, council. I'll do whatever I want.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: Look, well, you're a homeowner, so you give that a
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: crack and you report back to Michelle and I next
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: week and you see how you go. Please let us know.
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: We're dying to know. Let us all know.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: We're very curious to see Caleb's own personal project on
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: council land.
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: Please. Actually, can you invite me over? Because I think
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: that pub might be fun.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we'd have to go all the way to Adelaide
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: if you want to go to the place that I own.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: But no, I'd do that. Then I've got the problem
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: of strata as well. They'd probably be up there all
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: about it too. So anyway, look, you know, let's just
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: be more understanding.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Freedom, freedom, freedom.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: Well, there you have it. Freedom, freedom.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Now look, there's nothing worse in my view than when
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: you hop on a flight and the seats and everything
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: around you is absolutely filthy. You can tell that it
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: just simply hasn't been cleaned. There's a tight turnover between
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: travel and so get yourself on this plane. We've got
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: to get it off. Basically, that's the motto of the airlines. Well,
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: now Virgin Australia flight attendants are demanding the return of
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: dedicated cleaning crews as the mess left behind by passengers
• 16:03
  Speaker 3: is getting worse and the gruelling turnaround duties are leaving
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: staff working up to 10 hours straight. Now, according to
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: to the Flight Attendants Association of Australia, cabin conditions have
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: deteriorated to the point where staff practically need a hazmat suit.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: And judging by these images on screen right now, you
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: can see why. That makes my stomach churn. That is disgusting.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: What on earth are people doing? So they're saying from
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: chips to lollies and mushed up fruit in the carpets,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: the amount of cleaning is increasing. But the issue is,
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: of course, that Virgin requires the cabin crew to perform
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: deep cleans between journeys, adding strain to the workload. Now,
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: as I said, this makes me feel absolutely sick looking
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: at it and the thought of plonking myself on one
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: of these seats in between the mushed fruit.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: No, thank you.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Now, I actually agree with what they're saying here. I
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: think that there should be a deep clean in between journeys.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: every flight simply because it is incredibly unhygienic. And we're
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: not just talking about a quick fluff up of the pillows.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: If there isn't a big mess, then the flight attendants,
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, can clean it up themselves. But that goes beyond.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: That is sickening. So no, I'm Absolutely all for it. And,
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: you know, maybe this is also a lesson that we
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: do need to increase competition in the market so that
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: there are more airlines available.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: No question on that one. No debate at all. I think, though,
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: there's another solution, which is that we need to apply
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: the parent principle, which is that before people get off
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: the plane, bring those pictures back up again. If this
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: is seriously the stuff that people are doing on planes...
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Rub their.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Nose in it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: that is just disgusting. Would you treat your own house...
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe they would treat their own houses like that. But
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: one of the hostesses should wander up and down and
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: check for stuff like that. And if it's there, you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: make the passenger clean it up. That's what I reckon
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: should happen because that is just foul and it is
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: wrong and no one else should have to clean up
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that mess. It should be whoever did it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Well, I just also think this is indicative of a
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: bigger issue because this is happening on Virgin flights that
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: are going to Bali and Fiji.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: So I do take Virgin to Bali. I love you, Virgin.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: You're OK.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: But I do think it's a bigger issue because the
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: in-flight food, so you don't get food with your flights
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: that are international. So what is happening, the in-flight food
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: is quite expensive. So people more and more are bringing
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: their own food. The other day, a guy even had
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: his own noodles and was asking for hot water. Like,
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: they just bring their own food. And so this is
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: what's happening, because more and more people are bringing their
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: own food because they don't want to spend the exorbitant
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: prices for the in-flight food.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: Then that is the mess that is being left behind.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Hang on, how does that mean you leave all your
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: crap on the floor?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Because then it's not getting picked up and it's not
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: as contained. Because in-flight food is designed specifically for flying,
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: so it's a bit more contained.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: But don't they still come around with the bin?
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they do, but I think people are a bit
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: more messier with their own food because they've got chips
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: and packets and big things and all kinds of things.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: And coming back from Bali, God, people had all kinds
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: of things. But I do think it is indicative of
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: the fact that we don't serve food on international flights anymore.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you also get for what you pay for.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I know, but then that's what I'm saying. It's a
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: bigger issue. So then maybe Virgin needs to take a
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: look at what are they complaining about. Either you've got
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: to get people, you've got to pay people to clean up,
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: or you've got to give people some food.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Do you think the staff have a point, though? Do
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: the staff have a point that it shouldn't be their
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: job to clean up?
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: No, because I do.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: I do think that they are hospitality people at the
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: end of the day, and I've worked hospitality jobs where
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: I've had to go in and do all kinds of
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: cleanups after some pretty nasty things, particularly when you work
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: in bars late at night. So I think it is
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: part of the job. It's always been part of the job.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: But the fact that it's worse now, I think, is
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: more indicative of the airline.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: But that to me is unhygienic for the next passenger.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: And as I said, that's not just a quick vacuum.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: That's not a dust or a wipe down. That to
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: me looks like it would require quite a fair bit
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: of deep cleaning.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to sit in that.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I'd rather clean that, though, than the toilets. Well, they
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: have to clean the toilets. That is part of their job.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: I think that is part of their job. And deal
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: with it. You've got to do that. But I just
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: think that that is a deep clean. It's unhygienic for
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: the next passenger.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: People are just grubs. You should be banned from flying
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: if that's how you want to carry on. Banned. Like, seriously,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: that is just... If you are one of those people,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: please go and put your head in a bucket of
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: cold water and drink a beer for quite some time.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: He's outraged.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I just, like... We live in a society, people, and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: just remember that there are other people in the world
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: other than you. It's the same as people who don't
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: return their shopping trolleys to the trolley bay at the
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: shopping centre. It's just simple, simple stuff. Agreed. Just consider
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that there are other people in the world, please. Now,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you have seen this story in some way,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: shape or form today. Channel 9 in there. US correspondent
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Reid Battler has gone off and down a bit of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a doco for online about the KKK, the Ku Klux Klan.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: He's gone and spoken to a leader of the KKK
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the United States, and that in and of itself
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I have no issue with. I think it's legitimate to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: interview people who are controversial, even people who we thoroughly
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: disagree with, people who have repugnant and disgusting views, because
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: I think it's important that this is shown to the world.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I think it's important that we understand how people think.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So no issue with an interview happening online. That is legitimate.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: But what has generated quite a bit of controversy today
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: is the way that it was then linked to One Nation,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: because this bloke, apparently of his own volition, this is
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: the KKK leader, decided to bring up, started talking about
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: One Nation and Pauline Hanson. So in this clip online,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: they begin with... They're talking about, you know, I'm going
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: to see... This is Reid Butler saying, I'm going to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: see this guy who is a KKK leader, and then
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: he starts talking about the global context of racism and immigration.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: In Australia, there's a growing white supremacist movement from more
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: extreme corners.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: March!
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: And in the mainstream, voters are embracing anti-immigration policies and politicians,
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: like One Nation's Pauline Hanson. The Ku Klux Klan director
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: brought Hanson up, unprompted, as we were preparing for our interview.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Now, this is where I think it really goes wrong
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: because what they've essentially tried to do, and I'll show
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you the clip in a second of the leader talking
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: about Pauline Hanson and One Nation, but clearly they've got
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: the grab of the guy talking about Pauline Hanson and
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: they've gone, okay, we've got to use that because it's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a great story. KKK leader's talking about Pauline Hanson, right?
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: but we've somehow got to get the context right so
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: we can fit it into this documentary. And so they've
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: taken this quantum leap from we're talking to a leader
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: of the Ku Klux Klan to how do we relate
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: that to One Nation so we can use this clip,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: by which they're basically inferring that there is some kind
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: of racist undertone to the concerns that you have about
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: migration and the fact that people in this country are
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: turning to One Nation and they do that so they
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: can play this.
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: She is demonized by the same element of people that
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: wants to demonize us. What I understand of her is
• 23:39
  Speaker 7: she's concerned about the immigrant, especially from Asia, China, and
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: so on, coming into Australia and changing the racial complex
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: of Australia, changing the culture, changing all the things that
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: the people love and hold dear, and changing to something different.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: And she wants to restrict that.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Is it heartening for you to see someone like anti-immigration
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: Pauline Hanson doing well in Australia?
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's encouraging, absolutely. Now, a couple of things here.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's talking about stuff there 30 years ago, right?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with One Nation's policy today.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson has addressed this umpteen times. It's not even
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: part of the conversation. Two, I mean, you know, just
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: because a KKK leader says he likes Pauline Hanson, it
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean... that we have to take any notice of it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, he could have come out... If he'd come
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: out and said, oh, I like Anthony Albanese, we wouldn't
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: turn around and go, oh, Anthony Albanese is somehow connected
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to or has some sort of, you know, involvement with
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: or whatever. KKK would say, no, it's just stupid. This
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: is just some idiot bloke who's come out and said
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: what he thinks he has the right to do, so whatever.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: But it really troubles me that Nine has tried to
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: make this connection. Like, in isolation, you could say he
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: said this about One Nation. Mm-hm. but they've tried really
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: hard to connect the two in an extremely tenuous way.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: What sort of editorial standards are they running over there?
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: And why did not one person, not one person, no producer,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: nobody in the editorial oversight committee.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: Go, well.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: We.
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: Might be in trouble there. I think we're really overstretching
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the mark. Instead, they went, how are we going to
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: get clickbait out of this? How are we going to
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: get talking? And that's all they've gone for here. And
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: it's quite frankly, an absolute disgrace. And it does make
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: a mockery, as you said, of the entire migration debate,
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: because we know that the majority of Australians are worried
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: right now about migration. And when you hear nonsense like that,
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: it rubs it in everybody's faces and assumes that everyone
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: must be a racist. The other thing I would say
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: is there's also been a lot of controversy, people saying...
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And I will say this about Channel 9. They're saying
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: Channel 9 should never have gone and interviewed the Grand Wizard. Look,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I think the Ku Klux Klan are despicable, disgusting, but...
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: How many documentaries have there been.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: About the Ku Klux Klan?
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: I don't think that that is the heart of this
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: argument and it shouldn't form the problem here. The problem
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is not Channel 9 actually going and interviewing the KKK
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: about whatever their story is about. The problem is, is
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: this infer that they've made between One Nation and the
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: KKK and it is an absolute editorial disgrace on so
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: many levels.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: I do think, though, it is indicative of how the
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: media do work in this country and this world, because
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: we do look for that clickbait moment. And it is
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: about what is the thing that people are going to
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: look at?
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: What is the hook?
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: And I think that that is where they're coming from.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, this person did offer
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: up this information unscripted and without being asked about it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: So I do think that that is a story there.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: Do I think there's a link? I think that link
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: is tenuous at best. But, you know, as a journalist,
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: I do understand why they would have run with it,
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: because it does make sense to make that the story. But,
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: you know, Pauline Hanson and her party, are they demonised? Yes, absolutely,
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: in media all the time. Do they deserve it? No,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: they do not. But then look at what happened when
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: she went and met with Tommy Robinson. That, again, was
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: another tenuous link with her and far right. And I
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: think people are trying to, like, sew that together.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: But it's not working.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: At the end of the day, people are going to
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: vote for her no matter what. I don't think this
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: narrative is working for the everyday voter. And I think,
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: if anything, it's pushing a lot more people further down
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: that rabbit hole.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: So I think it's actually doing a disservice to the
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: average voter.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: It's making them seem like.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: you know, maybe they've got the problem or they're the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: ones that are racist or they're the ones that maybe
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: are supporting the wrong party, when, at the end of
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: the day, we should just be having honest conversations about
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: the political climate at the moment and not demonising parties
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: and not demonising people.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: That's my thesis. And who's taking seriously the words of
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: anyone who calls himself a grand wizard, anyway?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: But.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: And Nine's national news director has come out this evening
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: and he's told News 24... As the documentary makes clear,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: the reference to One Nation and Pauline Hanson was raised
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: unprompted by Ku Klux Klan leader Tom Robb. But that's
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: not the point. The issue is not that he raised it.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, they got the quote legitimately, whatever. Yes, it's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a great headline. It's the fact that they have then
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: used that to basically make the insinuation that One Nation
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: is racist.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Agreed. Correct.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And use that to kind of, you know, needle about
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the KKK and make it out like there's some sort
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: of connection between One Nation and the KKK. Correct. which
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: is simply not true. It's not the fact that he
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: volunteered the information. It's the way they treated it once
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they got hold of it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the way it's also been put together.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: And as I said, it's got nothing to do with
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: whatever the story is about in the first place.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: That shouldn't be the focus of the.
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Criticism here because we're talking about journalists. They can go
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: off and do an investigation.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: That is fine.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: There have been multiple documentaries over the years on the
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: KKK and You know, fine. Again, I'm not, I think
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: they're despicable, but it's a documentary. But what concerns me
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: is how they've gone about this. And I just think
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: it brings into question the editorial stand.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm not concerned about it because it is just really,
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: to me, indicative of the media climate at the moment.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Now let's go to something completely different.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: We're going to go to sport and I use that
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: word really loosely because we're talking about darts here. Now
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: 19 year old world champion. His name is Luke Littler.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: Now he is really kind of threatening that he might
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: walk away from the sport because he is getting quite booed.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
• 29:28
  Speaker 8: Luke Littler has threatened to not compete in the Netherlands
• 29:31
  Speaker 8: again after being booed and whistled out while competing there.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: He might end up just walking away and not bothering anymore.
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: So why does he keep getting booed? Luke Littler's childhood
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: coach thinks it's because he's a winner and fans love
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: an underdog.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Any football team, lots of other football teams, you always
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: boo the best players, don't you? You know what I mean?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: It's just... Just the same thing. It could cut his
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: career short, but it won't be any time soon. I
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: don't think so, anyway.
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: Littler faced similar treatment at the World Championships and in
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: Germany last year, and has even stopped playing European Tour
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: events there. He was also booed during the Premier League
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: in Liverpool and Leeds because he's a Manchester United fan.
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: After the Amsterdam match, Littler says he's not going to
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: waste his time travelling, then getting booed.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Interestingly, they're calling him the underdog, but he's a multimillionaire.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: He's got his own TV show. He's coming up to, like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: winning ten televised events. He's literally not the underdog. It's
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: the complete antithesis. If anything, it's more like what happens
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: in Australia when you're too good and people don't like it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: It raises some very interesting questions about being booed, but
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I think we should really take a look just to
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: get a feel for what.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: The booing actually looks like. Let's kind of have a
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: look at this.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Hello.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like when Trump walks out into a
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: stadium sometimes and they like to raise the rhetoric. Look,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: I think that that's actually really not sportsmanlike. And I
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: think he's very good at what he does. So clearly
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: people aren't liking that he's so good.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: It's what you basically described, tall poppy syndrome.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know. I mean, you've got the right
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to boo. You can if you want. But I think
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: it's a bit rude and unedifying, isn't it? The guy's
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: good at the game. You've gone along to enjoy the game.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Unless he's done something to particularly... you know, put the
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: crowd out of whack. You know, like Adam Goodes, for instance,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: we've talked about that before. And, you know, I think
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: there was deliberate taunting of the crowd was involved in
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of that. But, like, he's good and so
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they boo him because they're like, oh, well, he's dominating
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the sport. Mm. Well, you keep rocking up to watch it, right? Like,
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: you want him gone, and then what? You drum him
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: out of the sport because he's good at it? Get
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: over it.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Well, in the end, they're basically paying his wages, so
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: they're doing him a massive favour here.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think that it's fair, but unfortunately, that's just sport.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's not to that extent.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: No, but I think when you're in the public eye,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: you know, you are going to endure a level of criticism.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: And I don't agree.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: I mean, that would be absolutely deafening, clearly.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: So I'm not saying it's a good thing.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: But unfortunately, that's the cards you've been dealt with. Now,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: if I were him, what I would do is I
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: would take that energy and just say, bugger the lot
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: of you, watch me play. Don't let them know that
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: you're upset by it. Don't let them know that it's
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: cut you. take it, don't give it away, your next move,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and that's how you keep your opponents guessing and that
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: makes you a better player.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: Of the game.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: But I do think that that's kind of what he
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: was doing. But at the end of the day, that
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: booing is more something you would find at a football match.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like with darts, it's more like
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: a gentleman's game, is it not? As I try to
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: look at this gentleman over here.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's played by pissed people in the park.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: LAUGHTER Oh, wow.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Which, you know, has.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Been me on many occasions. Yeah. But, you know, whether
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: or not you call it a gentleman's game... It feels
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: like a gentleman's game. I find it very British. Yeah,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: it's very British. I find it quite entertaining, but I...
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: You know, just, like, do we really have to carry
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: on like hooligans? I just think it's a bit much.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's too much.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I've never been to a darts match, so I
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: don't know what the... Is it an arena? What is it?
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Well, they do... They're big.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: You should watch a bit of it. I was watching
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: it the other night after the Brisbane Hawthorne game. Of
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: course you were. And they do them in, like, big
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: packed-out rooms. Like, they would have thousands of people in there.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And they're all, you know, hooting and hollering and drinking
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and whatever.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Hooting and hollering. Well, Michelle and I look forward to
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: the weekend with you watching darts. Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: And hooting and hollering and, like, being in your pub
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: on your verge. Teach us to hoot and holler.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: That sounds... I can't wait to watch Caleb hoot and holler.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: What a night for Caleb. What an incredible evening it
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: is for Caleb Bond, ladies and gentlemen. Hooting and hollering
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: and breaking.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: All the rules.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: I never thought I'd see the day.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: How do you propose to make me hoot and holler? Oh.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, my good Lord.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to move right on.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: HR.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about discipline now. Clearly, Caleb could
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: do with a little bit this evening.
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: Australian teachers are very upset with parents right now for
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: offloading discipline onto classrooms instead of actually taking matters into
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: their own hands. A Western Sydney teacher who posts on
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: social media under the username Complete Teacher is among a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: growing number of teachers who have been left really frustrated
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: at the fact that parents are refusing to take action.
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: Why are teachers always talking about behavior management? That shouldn't
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: even be a topic of conversation. We should expect that
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: a child comes to school ready to learn with the
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: discipline instilled in them. Why is it a topic of conversation?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: But unfortunately it is, and it serves about 75, 80%
• 34:48
  Speaker 9: of our teaching practice is managing behavior.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: When it shouldn't be the case.
• 34:52
  Speaker 9: A lot of people would argue that schools aren't doing
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: enough this and that. Okay, we can go down that route,
• 34:56
  Speaker 9: but we first must look at what's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Happening at home.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you've got teachers being attacked.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: You've got unruly students in the classroom who think that
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: they own the joint. And the parents are going, no, no,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: it's not my problem. It's your problem.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: You're the parent. You instill the discipline. And it comes
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: at a time as well. There was a report this
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: month that found Aussie students are among the worst behaved
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: in the world. They're up against the likes of kids
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: in Poland, in Turkey, as well as Lebanon. At the
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: same time, writing and reading and math standards are about
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: two years behind their parents' generation when they went to
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: school in 2000.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: So, no, it is up to the parents. Stop offloading
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: on teachers.
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: No wonder we've got a teacher shortage across the country.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, when you've got kids running amok in classrooms
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: and teachers can't actually teach the basics, no wonder we're
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: failing at all levels.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: And it's just, you know, these helicopter parents who, think
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: they know better than everyone else. You know, you send
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: your kid off to school, you've got to trust the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: teachers in the school to do the right thing to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: some degree. And, yes, we all have issues with the
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: curriculum and whatever at times, but it doesn't mean that
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: kids can act up in the classroom. You're in the classroom,
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: the teacher's in charge. End of story. After the break,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: we'll take a look at tomorrow's papers. Australia joining the
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: global race to regulate AI. Will it work? Don't go away.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: All right, let's... Get?
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: Let's?
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: What am I talking about? Oh, dear. Let's get... We
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: were talking about martinis during the break. I haven't even
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: had one yet and I'm slurring my words. Anyway, let's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: get stuck into tomorrow's newspapers, starting with The Australian, Didika.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Must be all that hooting and hollering. Oh!
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: A lot of hooting and hollering.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: A lot of hooting and hollering. OK, let's look at
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: The Australian there. Exclusive chainsaw to ALP energy revolution. A
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: coalition government would dismantle Labor's renewables revolution... vowing to abolish
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: key planks, including the safeguard mechanism, new vehicle efficiency standards
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: and offshore wind zones, while attempting to lift the national
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: moratorium on nuclear power generation, reigniting the climate wars and
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: putting energy policy at the centre of its next federal election.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: The coalition has.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Set out eight initiatives priorities in its scrap net zero
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: cheaper energy act that it would introduce within 30 days
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: of power. The legislation represents the greatest challenge yet to
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: Labor's climate agenda and is set to be seized on
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: by Chris Bowen as uncertainty on future energy policy creates anxiety.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: Well, great news.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: Seriously.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: Fantastic.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Bring it on.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: It is about time that we have a good energy
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: debate in this country, like a migration debate as well.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: But it is about time.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: We have serious discussions about how we're going to keep
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the lights on in this country because right now it
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: is not working under this renewables only facade. It is
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: a disaster at every turn. So I congratulate the Coalition
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: for going hard on this.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: The one thing I really, really find frustrating, and it
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: was off the back of the last election because I
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: was really on the hustings trying to work hard to
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: get more Liberals elected, but this whole debate around nuclear
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: energy and the fact that in Australia you can't even.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: Have the conversation, people get so triggered by it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: But if you look at what's going on overseas, particularly
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: in the space of nuclear energy and small modular reactors, Like,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: this is the technology we should be embracing, particularly if
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: we're going to boost data centres. We're going to need
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: something to power it. And the best way to power
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: it is nuclear energy. And I hate to break it
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: to everyone, but that is the way forward.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And I hate the.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Fact we can't have a conversation without people losing their minds.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: And, you know, this is great that this has come
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: up now. I'm glad they finally got there. But, God,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we could have done with this in May last year,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: couldn't we?
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Like, seriously. Seriously.
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Now, this is a sad one on the front page
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: as well of the Australian exclusive. A 14-year-old girl from
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: the Frisbee courthouse at the centre of the nation's Indigenous
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: child neglect scandal was left without medical treatment for a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: broken hip for six weeks, leaving doctors horrified when she
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: was eventually taken to hospital.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: The teenager, Samantha.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: had to be flown to Perth for treatment and was
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: ultimately kept in hospital for six weeks so she didn't
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: have to go home to sleep on the floor without
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: a mattress. Despite the Australian learning the girl and her
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Frisbee Court family, a younger sister, 11, a little brother, 7,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: have been known to the WADCP for years. Medical staff
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: said no officials came to intervene. rather the injured teen
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: in hospital. I just, I despair at this every day.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: It gets worse. We are talking children's lives. lives here
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: and you've got Anthony Albanese swanning about over at the
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: UN saying, not my issue, I'm overseas, I'm not going
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: to talk about it, refer it to the minister. Read this,
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanese. It is getting worse and worse. It is
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: a national disgrace and it's a national shame.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: And I love that the Aussies are like a dog
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: with a bone on this. They are not letting it
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: go until heads start to roll because obviously heads really
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: need to roll in WA because this is disgusting. Our
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Indigenous population are not being served correctly and we need
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: a government that actually can get the job done.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And as you say, I mean, the work of Ros Thomas...
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: on this stuff, and I spoke to her on Friday
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and I'll probably try and get her back on here
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: this Friday because we're meant to have that round table
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in Perth this Friday on this stuff. You know, if
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: this had not been brought to light by the Oz
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and Ros Thomas, you know, these kids... And, of course,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: this has been going on for a long time and
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it will probably continue to go on because successive governments
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: have shown themselves incapable of doing anything about it. But
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just so glad that it's coming out and so
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: we have a chance, at least, to look at doing
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: something about it. On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: of course, have a look at this. Kylie Minogue, she'll
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: be performing at the AFL Grand Final on Saturday. I
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: know I'm looking forward to it. I'm sure you are too, Danika.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: What do you want her to rip out? What song?
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: It would have to be I'm spinning around, surely.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: That popped into my head right away as well. I mean,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: for most people, it is going to be the Kylie
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: Minogue concert with some sports ball.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know about that. For most people, we'll
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: be watching the footy, won't we?
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: We'll be watching it.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: I'm actually excited. We'll be watching the footy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: On your verge?
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly, on the verge with a beer in my hand
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and I'll put a television on there as well. But
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the splash on the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Floored Corners, good headline. The ABC's top investigative program, Four Corners,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: has been slammed for misleading viewers and poor fact-checking among
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a litany of failures outlined by an independent ombudsman. The
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: ombudsman's scathing report found Four Corners breached editorial standards in
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: two stories by sacked reporter and former bikey Mahmood Fazal
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: and had a culture of, quote-unquote, limiting knowledge about anonymous sources.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: The report found the two programs in 2023 and 2024...
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: failed to meet editorial standards for accuracy, fair and honest dealing,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: and independence and so say all of us.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's because the ABC are so
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: far up their own butt that they cannot see that
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: there are people out there in the world that know
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: how to write and produce real stories. So they've just
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: been hoodwinked by this guy, absolutely hoodwinked, and they've followed
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: through with it.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, and it just gets worse, doesn't it? It
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: gets even more embarrassing. They're just making it up as
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: they go along.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Literally, just pulling it out of nowhere. It's shocking, embarrassing.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Another story on the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: World War on AI Bots Australia has joined calls for
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the urgent introduction of artificial intelligence safety protocols and a
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: new oversight body to ensure the technology remains under human
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: control and is used in line with international law. And, look,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I think that is a noble aim. But I've been
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: saying it for years. I mean, it was 2023 when
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you had Elon Musk and Steve Wozniak and all these
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: top tech people saying, sign an open letter saying we
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: need a moratorium on AI development now before we've properly
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: regulated all of this. None of it's happened. I fear
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: that it's too late now.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: I do think it's kind of like closing the barn
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: door after the horse has bolted, got that out in
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: the end. I've been drinking the martinis as well. But, yeah, no,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: it's one of those things that finally someone's going to
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: do something, but it's just too late in my mind.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Just going to the Cairns Post now.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: And legal experts, victims at odds over laws, a bail
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: bill warning. Now, legal experts have warned proposed breach bail
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: go to jail laws could jam Queensland's courts, police and
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: youth justice systems while creating unintended harm for victims. At
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: a Cairns hearing on Tuesday, Barrister Shay Lee Lang, representing
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: the Australian Lawyers Alliance, said the bill would remove incentives
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: for alleged offenders to plead guilty, increasing delays and workloads. Now, look,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of you're kind of stuck between
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: a rock and a hard place here because you want
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: to be going hard for this. But because we know
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: Queensland has had plenty of problems when it comes to
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: law and order issues.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: But I do kind.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Of get where they're coming from in terms of jamming
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: up the jails in the process.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that Queenslanders did a great job when
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: it comes to their bail laws and their youth crime laws,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and well done to the Christopher Lee government. I'm sorry, but, yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: breach bail, go to jail. Otherwise, what message are we
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: sending to the victims?
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So, no, good.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: I think that's great news. Let's take a look now
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: at the Gold Coast Bulletin. Fine alley blocked private car
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: park operators will be blocked from being able to access
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  Speaker 3: the contact details of drivers they are trying to ticket.
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  Speaker 2: Under a new state government lockdown. Oh, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: Good. Yeah.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Fair enough.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, because it's like, so you park illegally
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: in the, you know, the council and you make money
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: for all you people, right? Whatever. That's fine. They come
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: around and give you the fine. But if you park
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: on private property, they actually have no right to fine you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Well, actually, what they can do is take you to court.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: But if they put a little ticket on your windscreen,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you don't actually have to pay it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: And we've been fighting this in our council area as well,
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: like the right to even tow people if they block driveways.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: It's a really tricky situation.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Indeed. All right. After the break. How old do you
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: reckon you would still be playing ping pong? I don't know.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'll make it this far. But just
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: you wait and see. These two people, they're still going
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: well into their 90s and 100s. Don't go away. Now, look,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. How old do you reckon you're going
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: to live to, Danika?
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I can't make an estimate of that.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: But what would you like to get to?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: I just hope to live a healthy and fulfilled life.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: OK, well, that's a rubbish answer. What about you, Michelle?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I'm going to live to 120.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: All right, 120, that would be one hell of an effort.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I hope I don't make it to 120 because God
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: knows what the world's going to look like in 120 years.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I reckon if I make it to 80,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that'll be a good innings. But if I make it
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: to 103, I tell you what, I'd want to be
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: as vital as these two playing table tennis. Edith Bard,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: you can see there in the foreground, 103 years old.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: Good on them. Have a look at that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Other bloke's in his 90s.
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  Speaker 3: Keeps them active.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: It keeps their mind sharp.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: And they're doing well too.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: That is really good hand-eye coordination. I don't think I'm
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: that good.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's fantastic.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful. It's the only thing you can hope for is
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: that if you make it that long, you're still up
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and about. behaving like that. I reckon that's a life
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: well lived.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: I absolutely agree.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: That is, absolutely.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: Speaking of life well lived, this trumpeter, Dr Jesse Maguire,
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: he belted out a national anthem after his instrument malfunctioned
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: in this unforgettable MLB moment.
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  Speaker 5: Through the perilous fight O'er the ramparts we watched Wow.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I mean, how good is that? And I should say
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: that this was... He was their good luck charm, the
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Arizona Diamondbacks. He was their good luck charm for the
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: World Series when they were in 2001. So it's kind
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: of like a 25-year anniversary and he was there to
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: play the trumpet and to bring them luck and it failed,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: but he picked up that mic and how good was that?
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, good on him for not letting it get the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: better of him.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Like, you're there and it's a big thing and then
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it buggers up and it would be so easy to
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: just sort of, like, completely lose your cool... And not
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: know what to do. And he's just straight into it.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: But also I feel like Americans are very patriotic in
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: the matter of what they were going to sing the
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: national anthem.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: So I think that's absolutely beautiful.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: Now, beware, ladies and gentlemen, the Terminator is upon us
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: in what is being billed as the first ever fight
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: between a Terminator-like robot and a human has taken place
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: during a terrifying MMA clash. It was between an influencer,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Frankie LaPenna, and a six-foot-tall robot called Wreck.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: For the first time in history, a human faces off
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: against a six-foot-tall robot.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So, Lapena, the human, lost the match. And that is
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: why robots are dangerous.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: They are coming for us.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: And that is why I say please and thank you
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: to ChatGPT. I'm actually terrified of the future.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Well, that's why you flirt with ChatGPT. Oh, God! You
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: just think that'll get you extra brownie points. Listen, we
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: all need to be preparing for this. Because when AI
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: takes over and the robots rise up, we are going
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: to have to fight with them. It's going to be
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hand to hand combat.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Well remember we've seen them fighting with old people in
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: the streets.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: I know! Remonstrate when they're taken away by the cops.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, get down to the gym and start
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: preparing for the robots. You've got to fight with them.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us tonight. Up next, the Rita
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Panahy Show. Good night.