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I Choose ... the Magic of Makeup with Erica Taylor · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hello,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me, the podcast that believes choosing
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  Speaker 1: yourself is the quiet revolution of looking in the mirror,
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  Speaker 1: really looking, and saying I'm here and I'm worth showing
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  Speaker 1: up for. If you're like me, you look in the mirror,
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  Speaker 1: you notice that your face has changed, which is not
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  Speaker 1: a bad thing. Do we need to update our makeup
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  Speaker 1: routine to match these hard earned changes? Though? Erica Taylor
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  Speaker 1: says yes. She is a thirty year veteran of the
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  Speaker 1: beauty industry. Her new book, The Magic of Makeup, Your
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  Speaker 1: Handbook for a Youthful, Radiant Look, is a practical guide
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  Speaker 1: to unlearning the makeup tricks of your youth and deaging
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  Speaker 1: your face with every swipe of a brush. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: excited for this. Please welcome my friend Erica Taylor. A. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so we just met. This is crazy. We just met
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  Speaker 1: when we were both a part of the It Cosmetics
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  Speaker 1: campaign for their bomb that has changed my everyday routine.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, insane?
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  Speaker 1: The do it all tinted face bomb? Am I saying
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  Speaker 1: it right?
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  Speaker 2: Cheer tin facebomb?
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  Speaker 1: Cheer tint I always forget that part?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's buildable.
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  Speaker 1: It is buildable. I wear it every day. I love
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  Speaker 1: that stuff. Are you wearing it right now?
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  Speaker 2: Look at that glow show you look glowychloey flashing, but
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  Speaker 2: that that helps.
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  Speaker 1: With the glow. Congrats on your new book.
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  Speaker 2: What I thank you?
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  Speaker 1: So happy for you and you. Yes, I had a
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  Speaker 1: book out the week before your book came out.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think you were at Were you at
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  Speaker 2: Bookends too?
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  Speaker 1: I believe I was.
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  Speaker 2: I was just there too.
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  Speaker 1: I was that in New Jersey. Yes, Yeah, they do
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  Speaker 1: a good job there.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: It was amazing A husband and wife duo.
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  Speaker 2: They're so cool.
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  Speaker 1: Well, congrats on the release of the Magic of Makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm so excited. I knew or thought i'd
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  Speaker 2: be an author.
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  Speaker 1: I know, well you did it. Is this your first book?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, it's like a it's like a chooser
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  Speaker 2: Which Way book of makeup? You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's like the ADHD Guide to Makeup.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, how long have you been doing makeup?
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  Speaker 2: Thirty years?
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  Speaker 1: Thirty years? And you started as a professional makeup artist
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  Speaker 1: in the industry or.
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  Speaker 2: I started as a college student in art Okay, and
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  Speaker 2: I was getting punished for not having a job, and
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  Speaker 2: I always did my friend's makeup. So I went to
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  Speaker 2: a makeup counter and they hired me. An amaze at
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  Speaker 2: nineteen years old. No experience, no none, just doing my
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  Speaker 2: friends and being an art student. So I did. I
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  Speaker 2: specialized in portraiture, so I'm like, if I could do
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  Speaker 2: a flat canvas, I can certainly do a face.
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  Speaker 1: There you go. I love that. You're like, sure I
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  Speaker 1: can do that.
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  Speaker 2: I got this.
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  Speaker 1: That's one thing I learned from Johan London. She said,
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  Speaker 1: if anybody ever offers you a position or gives you
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  Speaker 1: an opportunity, to say yes and then figure it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ask for what? Does it ask for? Forgiveness not permission?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of like that too. Hopefully you won't
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  Speaker 1: have to ask for forgiveness.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it depends, depends. It was a learning curve,
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  Speaker 2: you say.
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  Speaker 1: I remember the exact day I looked in the mirror
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  Speaker 1: and thought, hi, mom, it caught me off guard. Aging
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  Speaker 1: is a privilege. Can you describe that moment for me,
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  Speaker 1: because I've had that moment too.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember waking up one day and you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've lost my mom about seven years ago. Sorry, oh
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  Speaker 2: thank you, And I just remember looking one day and
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  Speaker 2: just saying, oh, there she is and I was like, hi, mom,
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  Speaker 2: and it was like, yeah, awesome to see her, but
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  Speaker 2: also like shocking. And I have this like mirror next
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  Speaker 2: to my bed that every now and I just wake
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  Speaker 2: up and I look at it and I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: is that? And it's just like the face that you
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  Speaker 2: know is not the face that you see. And it's
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  Speaker 2: a really weird thing.
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  Speaker 1: It is weird, but it is just what it is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I always say it's not a good or
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  Speaker 2: bad thing, but it's a thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's a thing. Let's all take a moment for the thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that we go through it and
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  Speaker 2: we're all told like, well, just accept it, and it's like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously we have to accept it, but we
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  Speaker 2: are allowed to feel a kind of way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're allowed to have your feelings around.
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  Speaker 2: It, for sure. So I'm always like when that happens,
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  Speaker 2: tell them Eric is at high and I got you.
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  Speaker 1: But also, you know, you don't have to just accept
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  Speaker 1: it because you are the master of changing things with makeup.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and that's the magic of makeup, right.
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  Speaker 2: So it's and it's not you know, people say it's
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  Speaker 2: a catfish. Well, it's wearing a nice dress. A catfish
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  Speaker 2: is wearing a nice fitted suit a catfish. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: we're putting ourselves together and our best foot forward. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But if I always thought to myself, if I can
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  Speaker 2: manipulate a face from a flat surface from a canvas
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  Speaker 2: and give that dimension, why can't I manipulate our faces
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  Speaker 2: into a dimension that we want.
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  Speaker 1: You have so many masterful like tips and tricks, which
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  Speaker 1: I love so good. I was just looking at your
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  Speaker 1: Instagram thinking I need a lot more time on my
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  Speaker 1: hand so I can learn everything you're talking about here.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's like in a nutshell. And even when
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  Speaker 2: I say like dimension, I mean like volume, right, meaning
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  Speaker 2: like you know, artistically, like manipulating light. Right. So it's
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  Speaker 2: like if you just do whatever you're doing, just pick
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  Speaker 2: everything up like a half inch.
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  Speaker 1: That is a good way. I think that should be
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  Speaker 1: the name of your next book.
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  Speaker 2: Picking up my half inch for so many things.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, you and I, whenever we're getting together,
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  Speaker 1: we're trouble. I knew that from the first time.
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  Speaker 2: Now I know it again fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but you you also talk a lot about on
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  Speaker 1: your Instagram about great drug store options for makeup and skincare.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so confusing. Oh my god, there's so many choices.
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  Speaker 1: What we need you to really help us know which
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  Speaker 1: ones to choose. So give us some of your favorite
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  Speaker 1: drug store things that are not only good for our skin,
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  Speaker 1: but well, you know, give us the look of like.
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  Speaker 2: High end yes. And it's hard because there are so
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  Speaker 2: many options, and I think drug store really struggles with
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  Speaker 2: foundations for us. I will say that's probably the most
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  Speaker 2: challenging is concealers and foundations. I will say one of
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  Speaker 2: my favorite drug stores is the Loreal Loomy Laglow tint Okay.
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  Speaker 2: She's like a cross between a tinted moisturizer and a
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  Speaker 2: foundation with loomy GLOTIONI mixed in. So that's definitely one
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  Speaker 2: of my favorite which approved vibes that it gives coverage,
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  Speaker 2: get rid of the roseation of the redness with a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of glow. And I also to say another
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  Speaker 2: Loreal og fave of mine is the eye serum. People
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  Speaker 2: forget about the eye serum, like you gotta protect the
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  Speaker 2: eyelid top end bottom, top hand bottom top three sixty
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  Speaker 2: sixty half.
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  Speaker 1: Orbital three hundred and sixty degree orbital.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because Alla worried about this, but this is a
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  Speaker 2: whole other situation.
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  Speaker 1: As you meets love too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the shadows will look creepy, things will look
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  Speaker 2: dusty if we're not handling like a little love there too,
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  Speaker 2: the old new situations.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fun. But you know what Loreal comes through.
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  Speaker 2: You know, for since in high school, for me, it
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  Speaker 2: was always like kind of like you don't have your eyeliner,
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  Speaker 2: grab Loreal, so you know, and I feel like Lorielle
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  Speaker 2: kind of focuses on the ladies of a certain age
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: You say in your book that you weren't afraid to
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  Speaker 1: on the moms, and you know.
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  Speaker 2: What, so many makeup artists were. I remember explain that
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: Why, Okay, mom's doesn't mean you're you just had your
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  Speaker 1: first kid. It means like you're old or older and
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  Speaker 1: your kids are grown up?
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  Speaker 2: Is that mom? Forty plus?
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Like that kind of mom. So here's the thing. There
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  Speaker 2: is a different textual situation to the skin. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to say it like really candid. The first time
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  Speaker 2: I touched mature eyelid, I was like, why is it moving?
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  Speaker 2: It was like the shadow wouldn't stick. I was like
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  Speaker 2: I would lift the I would like lift it, do
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  Speaker 2: the shadow drop it.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, you know you're
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  Speaker 1: getting older when the makeup artist has to lift your
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  Speaker 1: lid to put your eyeliner on, or when you have
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  Speaker 1: to do it, yeah, because you can't. You can't get
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  Speaker 1: the line because it's like it's like drags, it flaps,
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  Speaker 1: it drags and it moves.
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  Speaker 2: My daughter was like, why does it wiggle when you
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  Speaker 2: touch it? So I remember being like, okay, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: it's dryer, the shadow won't stick, it's dusting off, and
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  Speaker 2: it was a different texture. But as an artist and
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  Speaker 2: a troubleshooter, I was like, all right, we got this.
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  Speaker 2: But I also learned that mom had the money to spend.
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  Speaker 2: So if you made mom happy, she also bought for
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  Speaker 2: herself and the daughter. This is true or son whoever
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  Speaker 2: was there, Right, Mom.
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  Speaker 1: Buys, Mom always buys.
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  Speaker 2: Got the card. Everyone buys.
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  Speaker 1: So what did you learn as far as like how
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  Speaker 1: to take care of the moms in a better way
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  Speaker 1: other than lifting her flapper up hydration?
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  Speaker 2: She'd lift her flapper hydration and it was about, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so if your lid's here, I pick it up. I
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  Speaker 2: do the shadow. Then I drop it it falls. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why I discovered the over the river through the hood.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what over the river? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, over the river through the wood.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My song with my ADHD brain like over the river
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  Speaker 2: through the hood. So to lift it eyes we go,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god. It was like let it resting, beeface
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  Speaker 2: and compensate by going higher like a sunrise. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, we can still do the same thing,
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  Speaker 2: but we just have to get on the same like
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  Speaker 2: playing field.
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  Speaker 1: So make sure you're going over the overhang.
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  Speaker 2: Over the hang hang with the eyeshot, yes, and you
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  Speaker 2: have to go a little darker on the hang to
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  Speaker 2: kind of like make it look less hangy.
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  Speaker 1: These are all very technical terms, you guys, so right, I.
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  Speaker 2: Speak the common vernacular of people's.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So you share Yeah, you've shared that
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  Speaker 1: story in your book about your daughter. She said, why
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  Speaker 1: does your eyeshot? Why does your eyelid move like that?
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  Speaker 1: I can remember when I was younger and I would
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  Speaker 1: go like this to my Grandma's hand and it would
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  Speaker 1: like stay up and then it would take a really
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  Speaker 1: long time when I let it go to like go
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  Speaker 1: back down.
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  Speaker 2: But ours do it now and also the back of
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  Speaker 2: the hands that you say that when we're testing like
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  Speaker 2: concealer and foundation, that's the closest thing to this.
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  Speaker 1: This the skin on the back of our hands is
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  Speaker 1: the closest skin to our under our eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't have sabaceous glands. Neither does our under eye area.
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  Speaker 2: So when you test concealer, people will say test it
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  Speaker 2: here on your lines, but no, for us, test it here.
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  Speaker 2: If it looks dry on this guess where it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: look dry.
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  Speaker 1: Right here, Eric, everything's gonna look dry on these hands.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, if it looks hydrating on this hand, it's a winner.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you the acosmetic shirtin face bomb will look better.
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  Speaker 2: Will look hydrating on this hand better?
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  Speaker 1: It really does. Okay, that makes sense. So now I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna put the bomb on my hands. Not a problem
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  Speaker 1: at all. You've a test.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see, she got a little sheen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you were working on the Moms though, I'm curious,
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  Speaker 1: did that kind of change your perspective or you're sort
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  Speaker 1: of like connect between self care and you know, seeing
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  Speaker 1: women not choosing themselves, Like, did it change kind of
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  Speaker 1: like how you speak to them or guide them?
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  Speaker 2: Seeing the moment, the mom felt beautiful again, and she
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  Speaker 2: got a light back in her eye and she could
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  Speaker 2: get emotional, and it was almost like, and that's why
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  Speaker 2: I say, we don't have to handle our pretty down.
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  Speaker 2: I remember the moms being like, no, it's her turn.
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  Speaker 2: It's about her now. It's not about me anymore.
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  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no.
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  Speaker 2: Right, But was like, why can't it be about both
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  Speaker 2: of you? So what I would do the moms, and
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  Speaker 2: the moms felt luminous and pretty again. I remember someone
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  Speaker 2: would cry. They would I would just cover an under
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  Speaker 2: eye that they hadn't seen for a while and teach
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  Speaker 2: them a trick, and they were like, I look so good.
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  Speaker 2: And it was really like I had to cry and
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  Speaker 2: hug me, and it was just such an emotional moment.
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  Speaker 2: And I realized that it was a point that you
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  Speaker 2: start caring for your family and you stop remembering you.
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  Speaker 1: That's so true. I can remember myself remember when my
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  Speaker 1: girls like started to become like really like pretty teenage girls,
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  Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, okay, well it's it's fair time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm good. I'll just stand back here and let
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  Speaker 1: them shine and be so happy for them. I don't
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  Speaker 1: need it, Yeah, I don't need to feel good or
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  Speaker 1: need the attention or.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like society made us feel like
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  Speaker 2: we have to hand it down, like you have to
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  Speaker 2: hand it, almost like passing the crown, where men were
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  Speaker 2: getting like debonair and we were handing it down and
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  Speaker 2: then we get replaced for newer models. Oh, it's a
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  Speaker 2: crazy thing. It's a crazy, crazy society thing. And I
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  Speaker 2: just feel like that's how we're all trained. And the
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  Speaker 2: moment watching her eyes light up, when she was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: I look so beautiful. I feel good again. I had
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  Speaker 2: allowed myself to feel that and that was an AHA
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  Speaker 2: moment until it happened, you know, And now I know
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  Speaker 2: because I've been there too.
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  Speaker 1: There's such that fear of of women for women as
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  Speaker 1: we age, the fear of becoming invisible or disappear.
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  Speaker 2: We disappear, and it's a real thing. And I think
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  Speaker 2: we're made to feel like almost we should feel guilty,
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  Speaker 2: to feel a kind of way or almost we feel
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  Speaker 2: guilty when we want to still be glamorous. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: and I think times are a change.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. Thank goodness, so happy it is happening
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  Speaker 1: in my lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: Get to watch it, We get to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. For a woman that's reading your book or
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  Speaker 1: listening to this podcast who feels like she is lost
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  Speaker 1: in the cycle of work and kids and responsibilities, what
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  Speaker 1: is the single most important mental shift she can make
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  Speaker 1: today to start choosing herself again. As far as how
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  Speaker 1: you see.
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  Speaker 2: It, I mean, we're still allowed to play dress up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: We're still allowed to have cheap parties. We're still allowed
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  Speaker 2: to be girls. You know. I just think remember that
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  Speaker 2: was a part of dressing up and going out with
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  Speaker 2: your friends in your twenties. What was the best part
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  Speaker 2: getting ready.
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  Speaker 1: To get ready?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the best part, being your friend's house,
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  Speaker 2: drinking glass wine, getting ready, and that was like before
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  Speaker 2: a wedding, what's the best part doing your makeup with
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  Speaker 2: your bridesmaids or you know, all of that glamour part. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we're still allowed to do that, And I think I
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  Speaker 2: want to make makeup fun again. I want to make
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  Speaker 2: getting ready and dressing up fun again and not lose
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  Speaker 2: that magic that it once was. And it became scary
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  Speaker 2: and it became intimidating because the things we were doing
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  Speaker 2: on our face weren't working anymore. M h.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that like, uh, you don't remember that. Look. I
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  Speaker 1: used towear it in the late eighties maybe even the nineties,
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  Speaker 1: like eyeliner all the way around, the eyeball.
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  Speaker 2: Whole thing, whole thing, and then remember the shadow. We
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  Speaker 2: all did it, the light, the dark, the light, the
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  Speaker 2: windshield wiper, the wiper.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we all did it.
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  Speaker 2: And I taught it to you in the nineties. You
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean. I was there at a mac
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  Speaker 2: counter like, yes, a harder V do it?
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  Speaker 1: What's the difference now? When you put on your eyeshadow, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would think of it like I would say, think of
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  Speaker 2: it like a sunrise, like a gradual just like dark
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  Speaker 2: fading up to light or even sometimes like the one
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  Speaker 2: shadow express. But I think it's like and I have
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  Speaker 2: it on, it's just kind of like fading it up,
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  Speaker 2: no harsh edges, just like up and out to accentuate
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  Speaker 2: and lift.
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  Speaker 1: It is really hard when you're putting your own makeup
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  Speaker 1: on to not get that harsh edge at the end
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  Speaker 1: of like your dark eyeshadow that you're trying.
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  Speaker 2: To muscle memory. Yeah, you want to do it, huh uh,
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  Speaker 2: you want to do it so bad, But when you
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  Speaker 2: kind of go up and out if you cut. If
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  Speaker 2: you do that dark edge, you can kind of stop
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: your eye right there. But if you go up and out,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: it's accentuating things in an outward direction.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: But important note for that is the blending brush.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, blending brush a soft rush and just the tip.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Why not the whole brush?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've seen clients over the years digging
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: their whole brush in like uh too, which looks like this.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: It's too much, and then you go to put the
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: shadow on and it's everywhere, and now you can't clean
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: that up. So it's better to end. And the reason
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I say just the tip is a of course it's funny,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gen X, but I really mean it because if
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: you're using just the tip of your products, you'll never
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: have too much.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's better to build than to have to start
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: over or take away. Taking away is really yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Watch city, there's no nothing is good when you start
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: to take away.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, have you felt that though? I mean, I don't
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: know why. I look at you and I think you're
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: younger than me. I don't even know. I think you
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: might be few years younger. I'm fifty four, well a
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: few years so I'll be fifty this year.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, Okay, I'm jumping in.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I'm just so excited for you. It's the best ever.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: It's like your twenties all over again.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: I'm ready to be a crazy old cat lady and
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: just yell at people on my lawn. I'm ready.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: You don't have to do that just because you turn fifty.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, you know what, I don't understand
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: it now because now that I'm turning fifty, I feel
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: like I care less about what other people think. And
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I remember, I know how you can become an eighty
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: year old and like get off my loan, Like, yeah,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: care what people think anymore. And it's kind of super liberating.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: It really is, it really is. But there's a balance still.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I think, like we have to we have to care
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: a little bit about what people think, as it pertains
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: to like how we're self sort of regulating how we
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: show up, you know what I mean. Like it's not
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to just go falls to the wall and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: bee like say whatever comes to your mind, and yeah,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you have.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: To have empathy and I think, you know, care for others.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish that would go I wish that could
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: go as too. You could just literally say whatever comes
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: to your mind.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Do you know what? I always say that empathy is
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: my biggest strength but also my biggest weakness. But because
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like I have an open, bleeding heart and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I can definitely get taken advantage of easily. But I
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: also love that about me because if someone does take advantage,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: maybe it's their karma and not mine. But you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: kindness can be taken for weakness.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, but that's not the case with you.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hope not. But there are there are,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: there are some.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Here pretty strong. I feel strong.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I can definitely be. I can definitely, I can definitely.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I got a bleeding heart. Yeah, I got a bleeding heart.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You want to help everybody? Would you say a bleeding
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: heart is different than a people pleaser?
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I'm not a people pleaser at all. But
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: if you come at me and you pull at my
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: heart strings, You'll get me. Oh man, Yeah, you'll get me.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: If you're like I need this and I need that,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: But can you tell when someone is intentionally playing with you,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: like pulling at your heart strings to get something cool?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe that maybe in your fifties.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and my kids are even like MA, tell tell.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Everybody where you where you live, Tell everybody where you
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: come from.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: Like, Ma, that person just wants your money. I'm like,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: but maybe they don't. Maybe they just eat Hell.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're from New York. What what area?
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: I'm Queen's originally?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about that. I think we talked about
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: that because I spent a lot of time in Queens.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, we did talk about that, Yes, Yeah.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And that Queen's is different now than it used to be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I mean there's still elements that totally changed.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, you never Yeah, it's got to be both
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: both ways. I think you've served in the industry. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: say served because you've served women over thirty years now,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: and you know, often they're women are our women are stretched,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they're exhausted, they're dead, lacks on their own.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: To do list, sometimes angry.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're angry because of it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was I would just disarm them with niceness,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: with being kind, Like I feel like they're so ready,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: they were always so ready to fight. And not everyone
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: some lovely, some are scared to ask for help. Some
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: because they never put themselves first, they're embarrassed. It's almost
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: like if you don't know how to do makeup. You
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: weren't you know, given your woman card, right, And then
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: there's others that are like, just hurry up. And then
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: when you disarm, they're just like, oh, okay, I can
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: just relax and not everyone wants to fight with me.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Right, Nobody's gonna argue with me about this? Yeah, I
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: love that. Do you have you reached a point like
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: a burnout point, or a conversation, or just a moment
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: where you realize that you had been doing the same thing,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: like putting everybody else before your own knees, putting yourself last.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I think it was when I really struggled when I
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: had my kids were really young, and I executive and cosmetics,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and I always showed up. And I had three young
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: kids and I would always show up, and I would
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: feel like it was more like my teams that worked
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: for me and with me, I was like, why am
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I always showing up? And I make sure you have
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: your days off and I make sure you have everything
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: you need. I make sure, But when I need someone,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: no one's showing up for me. And I remember driving
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: somewhere I thought I had the day off. It was
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: like Black Friday. You know, which was always like dun, dun,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: dun retail. And I remember just driving to a store
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: in Vermont crying because the person that was supposed to go,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, they probably had like diarrhea or something
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: like just handle it, take an emmodium. And I was
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: like leaving my family and my toddlers to just go
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: cover this shift. And I just remember it was six
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: in the morning and just driving and crying, and I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm always showing up for all of you,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: and I have three toddlers, and all you have to
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: do is just put your underwear on and get out
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: of the house, and you can't. And that was always
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: That's what kind of broke me. It wasn't the public.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It was I felt like I was carrying everybody in
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: my job too, and I was so tired. You're tired, tired.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: I was so tired. I remember just my and I
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: miss my mom and I'm so tired and might have
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: to leave my kids. And I think I was just
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: retail spent.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think being forward facing with the customer can
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: do that to you.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And it wasn't even them. I love I miss peopling.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It was more that I felt like the teams that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: worked with me didn't have my back all the time,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: and I always felt like I had theirs, And I
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: was like, I was like, I don't wear a cape,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I'm not a superwoman. I keep showing up, but I
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: need help, and I just felt like I didn't have
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the help I need it.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: So you just decided to do it on your own.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, If the only one you can rely on
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: is you, then let's go.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: So amazing, amazing. Well. You could find Erica Taylor's fun
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• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Handbook for a Youthful, Radiant Look. But before I let
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you go, Erica Taylor, what was your last I Choose
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Me moment?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It was, I would say when I left. My biggest
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I Choose Me moment was leaving that that retail that
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: I had kind of done for twenty seven years and
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: taking a leap of faith. And I was so scared
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: because I was like institutionalized, you know, I had done
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the same thing, the same Hams from the wheel for
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: twenty seven years. I worked my way from a counter
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to a regional director and I was so proud, and
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: I was so scared to leave that, but I took
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: a chance, and here we are, and now I'm talking
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: to you.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Never we're talking on this line.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I've never imagined as my teenage self watching you nine
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: o two one zero, obsessed, and you still look so
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: freaking good. I mean, gosh, thank you running in person too,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: by the way, I say.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw right across from one there.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I chose I chose me.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: That's amazing.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Take a chance.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: That's what we gotta do. We can't wait around for
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: other people to make things happen for ourselves.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: No, we can't, because no one's gonna do it for us.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: We gotta put on our own superhero capes and go.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Put on your big girl panties.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: I used to say that you put on the big
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: girl panties. Let's go.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're the best. Thank you so much for
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: being here.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I'm thrilled to be here with you.