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IT CAME FROM SCREAMBOX: Night of the Living Dead! · WASD and Beyond

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enjoy those. And with that being said, not
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with the show. This is Noah's week and you got
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the Halloween episode you mother fucker.
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That's right, either by accident or on purpose, but it was
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definitely by accident. I managed to land on the
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Halloween episode and I kind of went back and forth in my pic
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where I was looking for like a Halloween themed movie, but it
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was a little bit slim picking. So then I thought, well, I'll
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pick like a horror staple. I went all the way back and I
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picked a movie that sort of sparked this genre in a way.
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I picked 1968's Night of the Living Dead from George Romero.
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What a classic my man. I had never seen this had you
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guys. You guys have obviously seen
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this, but I'm much like in a lot of the other episodes, I'm
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catching up on some things I haven't seen.
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That's good for the show, man. This blows my mind.
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It's a class. I mean, I've only been into like
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horror movies, Reese more recently.
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Like I was not into it when I was young.
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You know what else we found out Noah hasn't seen before?
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That he's watching off the record, not for screen box the
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Evil Dead series. Yeah, you need to get to that.
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There's so much evil out there for you to watch.
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There's a lot of them, right? And they're like, they make them
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like somewhat recently. So Evil Dead Rise was the most
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recent. And they just finished wrapping
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up the next one. Yeah, up Evil dead.
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No, Evil Dead Burn. Yep, yeah, Burn is the next one,
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yes, yes. But anyways anyways.
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Well, yeah, so I got some information, I got some
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structure for this one that you guys want to hear.
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You want to hear some stuff? Absolutely.
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Alright, I've got my Marcus Parks hat on.
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I did some research. A lot of this stuff does come
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from the wiki page. There's some stuff from some
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cast interviews website called Daily JSTORI.
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Don't know if that's pronounced like Jester and Box Office Mojo.
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So OK, here we go. Night of the Living Dead is the
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first feature length film from George Romero.
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His early career consisted of working on smaller projects,
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such as a segment for Mr. Roger's Neighborhood in in which
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Mr. Roger received a tonsillectomy.
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During an interview, he said that that was the scariest film
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he had ever shot because he had final say over its editing.
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That was the first time he had a lot of control and that scared
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him as a young filmmaker. He made some friends along the
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way, including writer John Russo during his time in the industry
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who would later help him in future projects.
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Originally, Romero pitched the concept of the movie to the
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Pittsburgh based Hardman Associates.
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We see them in the movie. They make pretty prominent
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cameos and characters in the movie.
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Discussions around the concept of the movie eventually led to
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the creation of Image 10 Productions, which is the
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company that produced this. He did that partner with John
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Russo and eight other members. Each of the members contributed
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$600.00 for a share of the profit.
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Another 10 more investors Rage raised another $6000 and finally
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after some filming they were able to convince more people and
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some more people kicked in some money and eventually the final
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budget of the movie was just over 110,000 which is a just
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over $1,000,000 today. Like barely over that's.
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Crazy. As for the script, Romero and
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Russo wrote the script together. Originally, they wanted to make
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the movie more about aliens, and we do see a little bit of that
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where they're talking about the the ship near Saturn that comes
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back. Yeah.
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They realized quickly that they would never be able to get the
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budget to make a UFO prop that would look good enough for the
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ambition. Romero had the idea for a
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version of the story where a boy discovers a group of flesh
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eating aliens and then he changed it to ghouls because,
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again, they couldn't make a convincing effect and they would
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be eating corpses out of a cemetery.
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Filming started before the script was finished and the
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story kind of evolved as filming went on.
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So there's a lot of stuff as you're watching in the
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beginning, how it sort of evolves over time.
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It's not necessarily because of something that is written, but
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they were developing the story as they went, which also made it
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really hard to convince people to invest in this because it was
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unfinished and they didn't have an ending.
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Casting is always difficult for a movie with essentially no
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budget. All of the actors were either
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friends of Romero from the industry, friends of Hardman
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associates or members of their family.
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So we had Judith O'Day as Barbara, who in an interview,
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she talks about the remake of this movie.
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And she talked about how she didn't like that they made her
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character into more of like a hero type, or she'd be swinging
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a weapon around and like doing a little more action.
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And she liked the character more as this like, helpless, rattled
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woman. She had a everybody in this
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movie had like, small, limited careers.
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Specifically, her most recent work was in a movie called
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Vampire Zombies from Space, which came out in 2024 and
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features a young Mr. Lloyd Kaufman, who is credited as a
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public masturbator. Uncle Lloyd.
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Uncle Lloyd, Uncle Lloyd getting connected to this movie in some
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way. So I think what we should do on
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the show moving forward is we should start playing 6° of Lloyd
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Kaufman. I that that is a new segment
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that is happening that is stapled in.
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We got to try to figure out how we can attach Uncle Lloyd to the
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movies we watch. Some of them it's going to be
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easy because if we're watching Troma movies, obviously, yeah,
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Like Superman. Like any Guardians of the Galaxy
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movie, you can link it back to Lloyd Kaufman in some way.
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Yeah. You had Dwayne Jones as Ben and
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like we were talking about while we were watching it, his the
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very casting of him was controversial because it was
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rare to see a black actor in the lead role of a film.
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They just said that he gave the best audition and they picked
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him for the lead. He didn't work for very long.
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His final role was in 1989. A lot of the other cast members
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were parts of the production team, family members, or some
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local celebrities from the Pittsburgh area.
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Filming is a complex task for a low budget movie.
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The crew used cheap, practical effects to pull off the more
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fantastic elements of the movie, including using Bosco chocolate
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syrup as blood and used meat and Awful, which is a meat product
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that's basically all of the unused parts.
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It's scrapple. So it's like, yeah, it's
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scrapple. The skin and the, yeah, all that
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kind of disgusting stuff. So all the time when you see
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when they're eating, like when the ghouls are eating stuff.
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Pig butt holes. Can you like, just imagine what
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that smelled like? Oh yeah, it's nasty that.
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Fuck that. Yeah, really bad.
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Closer to the end of production when they had finally finished
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the script and they had called it Night of the Flesh Eaters,
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they were also able to start using plaster on the actors
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faces to give them that sort of decaying look.
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They had a really hard time finding distribution for this.
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A lot of companies didn't want to put it out without editing
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it. There was also concerns because
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it was still being shot in black and white.
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That was they were everybody was moving to color by that point.
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Eventually though, they did find someone to distribute it in the
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Walter Reed organization. However, they did edit it to put
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their name on it, and in doing their edit, they accidentally
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deleted the copyright notice. So when the movie came out, it
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immediately entered the public domain.
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It never got happy rated. It it not like did it enter it
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quickly? It entered it immediately
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because there was no copyright notice on it.
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The so that was like, I thought that came on like many years
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later. No, that's nuts.
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No, it happened instantly the second they released it without
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a copyright notice. It was afraid of anybody to use.
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That's why you can freely use it however you want.
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You can upload it to YouTube. I think it probably is on
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YouTube. Yeah, probably.
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I think it is. Now I don't.
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I don't know if that's just for this version though, because I
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think. Yeah.
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Yeah, because there's many different versions that were
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released later on and I think they probably added the
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copyright back and the rights have just never been purchased.
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But it was distributed a couple different ways on DVD, but on
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the reception, The reception was pretty mixed, but slowly became
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more positive. A lot of the popular outlets at
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the time put it on their like best movies of the year, best
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movies of all time. There was a bit of controversy
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at the theatrical opening because the film rating system
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wouldn't be in place until the next month.
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Anybody could buy a ticket, including children who did.
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And they did not realize what they were getting into.
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Basically, they just, there was a reporter who just said like,
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there were a lot of kids and they started out having a good
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time. But it it's so that sort of it
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just went quiet after a certain point where the kids were not
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not having fun anymore. I think a lot of kids were also
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very disappointed by the ending, which I would understand because
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I'd never seen the ending before and it's very disappointing.
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In the many decades since the release, there have been many
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revisions and remasterings, including a colored version.
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There have been anniversary editions and even an animated
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project that was streaming at some festivals or screening at
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some festivals. It was also released on DVD in
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2010, and in 2015 the negatives were obtained to create a 4K
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digital restoration, which was released by the Criterion
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Collection in 2018. And.
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Finally, on Blu-ray in 2022, it's difficult to know how much
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the movie made because of it being in the public domain and
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being released so many times and all the other factors that go
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along with it. There's some sources that
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suggest it could be upwards of 30 million, which on $115,000
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budget, that's a crazy success. But regardless of how much how
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much money it made, the impact and the legacy it has on horror
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is way more significant because this kind of started the zombie
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thing. It's not the first movie to do
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so, but it's the movie that changed our perception of what
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the modern zombie is. Because you previously had White
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Zombie. Prior to Night of Living Dead,
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you had White Zombie, but that's more in line with magic and I
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believe voodoo to a degree is what White Zombie was.
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This though definitely changed the path and created a path
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forward for what the zombies we now know as zombies are and it
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it's funny because they don't use the word zombie once in this
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movie. No, they call them ghouls.
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Yeah, when they do finally start referring to them to something
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other than sick people, they call them ghouls.
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So yeah, it's just beautiful. What are you cracking up for and
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smiling for over there, Alex? Well while we were watching it I
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brought up saying I miss slow zombies.
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Yeah. And then Noah said something.
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Well, I'm already blowing down his name.
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Romero, oh, George Romero said. He said that zombies can't run
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and like they they can't be fast.
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His this version of zombies, the way he describes it is there's
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no more room in hell for the spirits to go to, so they stay
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in the body after you die. Yes.
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Yeah, as as metal as shit. So his his version is like, and
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in the movie it kind of seems like there is a bit of a sci-fi
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bend to it where they're suggesting that maybe radiation
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caused an outbreak, which I think is is leftover.
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I think that's leftover from the original versions of this where
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it comes from aliens. Yeah.
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But it's an interesting concept and it's one that, like you
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don't really think of because then it opens like the
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possibilities of like by the daughter, like, does she die
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naturally and turn into a ghoul or she turned into a ghoul by
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somebody else? Right, which is awesome, man.
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It literally, it's so ahead of its time in the way the movie
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was thinking and subverting your expectations of what's going to
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happen. It's it's truly one of those
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gems that without this existing, we wouldn't have a lot of the
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horror movies we may have today. And that's the importance of
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this film, especially anything in the zombies.
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How did you guys first see this? Oh, Alex, do you want to go
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first? I don't have a clue.
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I really don't. I, I'm not even going to lie, I
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not a freaking clue. Probably late night TV more than
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likely staying up two in the morning as a 10 year old.
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Like I not a clue dude. More than likely I saw Night of
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Living Dead alone at home when I was a kid.
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Late night TV was probably exactly where I saw it back in
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the day. TNT would do their monster movie
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marathons and Sci-fi would do monster movie marathons during
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Halloween, and I remember seeing a lot of movies that way.
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That's probably where I first saw Child's Play.
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That's where I saw Friday, 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and
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they were a bit more ballsy with their viewings back then.
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They would show a lot of the shit and they show a lot now,
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but back then they were like, yeah, whatever, fuck it.
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Night of Living Dead, though, I remember seeing it as a child,
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young child, and then I remember going, this isn't scary.
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There's nothing about this that scares me because it's black and
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white and it's, it's a slow moving movie.
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The high notes hit hard though, as an adult and as a young teen
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because I remember seeing it again when I was dropped out of
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high school and I had nothing better to do than watch
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television and movies and play video games and smoke cigarettes
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all day. And I remember just, I went to
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FYE as a teenager. I, I walked to the mall, went to
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FYE and I grabbed like a shitty copy of this, like just a shitty
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version of the DVD. It was the actual movie.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was just, it was just
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poor. Like, it, it was, I would, I, I
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would rather just have watched it on film or VHS, it was that
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bad of a RIP or whatever. And I just remember being
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floored. I was like, Oh my God, dude,
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this is what I've been missing. And I was like 13 when I
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revisited Night of the Living Dead.
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And then I, I've watched it every, pretty much every
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Halloween sense, like every like Halloween season, it gets put on
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the TV upstairs. You know, I'll pass by the room,
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I'll stop for 5-10 minutes, watch the film.
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Landon's seen there. Living Dead.
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Landon and I have bought. We watched it last year.
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And it's one of those movies that I never seen before.
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It's like so old that I kind of felt like I had an idea of what
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it was going to be like and it was not like that.
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Well, the ending, that ending pissed a lot of people off, but
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also I like that ending because there's no happy ending.
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It just shows like they didn't give a fuck.
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They went oh, there's one boom shoots him in the head.
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You know what I'm saying? It's just it was no remorse.
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They just kill this man because they don't know if he's a zombie
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you. Know, but they they think
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everybody they see is a ghoul. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, and you know, because
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of this movie, it spawns Dawn and day, day of day of the
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Living Dead, Dawn of the Living Dead, fucking phenomenal films
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like and from there it spawns even wackier shit.
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Tar Man, Alex, which one? What's Tar Man in Return of the
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Living Dead? That's return.
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Talking zombie. Yeah, yeah.
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No, no, that's Ed, right? That's Eddie or Ed.
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How am I getting my zombies mixed up?
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Whatever. Tar Man's.
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Yeah, he's in the he's in the same film as Tar Man, I believe.
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That's that's Return of the. That's Return of the Living
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Dead. Dude, I don't remember.
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I'm telling you right now it's Return of the Living Dead, but
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it's been so long since I've watched those movies.
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The living dead. Yeah.
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Return of the living. Dead.
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Yep. Yep.
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Return of the Living Dead. That's not Romero, is it?
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No. So I think he only did two of
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the sequels. Dawn and day, right?
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Think so, yeah. Yeah, which those are fucking
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incredible. The remakes are fine.
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Yeah, they are what they are. I mean, he in some of the
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remakes, he got to explore a little bit more of his original
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ideas because he had like a little more clout by that point.
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So I was able to get more money to do it.
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But I only, I only really looked into the making of the original
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1 because I know that the other ones are much less.
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Yeah, the other ones are much less renowned.
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Is this one. I love the other ones dude.
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I love all. I love the entire series.
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The I love the entirety of the Living Dead series.
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It is they they are classics from the top to the bottom.
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They're amazing films. If you haven't seen them, you
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should go watch all three of them and then watch Return of
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the Living Dead 'cause that movie is also a classic.
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What did you think though, Noah with your first like go around
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with this film? I thought it was good.
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It's very old and the time is you really like it?
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It really shows. Yeah.
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You know, obviously what they're limited to in terms of effects
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where like everything is practical because there was no
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choice. They couldn't do anything
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different. You know, old movies like people
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talked a different way back then, but they're still, they're
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talking about a lot of interesting ideas.
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Like where they they have a lot of the horror is sort of
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implied. Like I was talking about the,
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the radio is explaining what's happening everywhere else and
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the horror kind of comes from that while you're seeing our
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character having to like deal with the immediate like this is
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what he's hearing. Like, and he even says something
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to that point, like later on where they're trying to figure
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out how many there are. And he was the what the, the one
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guy who was in the basement, he was saying like there could be
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20 or there could be 500. And he's basically like, well,
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if there's 500 then we're fucked.
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Then there's nothing we can do 5. 100 of them, which is the
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movie, becomes I'm not going in that cellar.
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Yeah, get in the cellar. I won't do.
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It get in the cellar get. In the cellar and it's like, God
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damn it. I mean, we'd also be remiss if
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we didn't say the classic that come on, talk at you, Baba Raw.
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Such a classic, almost. Did it almost the entire time
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without saying it. I can't do it.
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How do you want me? What song?
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Oh, that's a Beneath the Sky song too.
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Yeah, they open up with the sample that they.
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Do whatever you want. It's in the public domain.
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Do whatever you want with this. You could you could put this
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entire movie onto a vinyl and then tell people to soundtrack.
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That's fine. Yep, it's fucking.
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Crazy, I thought the the sound the soundtrack was oppressively
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loud but it has that thing that like old movies did where it's
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like 5 minutes of dialogue and then 5 minutes of of speechless
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action or speechless like movement with like really loud.
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Music. Crickets.
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Well then. Yeah, yeah.
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With the music. Kind of for a while.
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Sells some of the horror. Oh yeah, it does.
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I mean the music and the sound too.
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There's some interesting like sound there where they like the
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when he walks out of the house and Ben like walks out of the
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house the first time you would just hear like the nature sounds
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and then it cuts to the field and there's like 10 people just
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slowly walking towards him. Yeah.
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It can be a big time It follows vibe.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said, this
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movie's responsible for a lot of what we have today, even still
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echoes, right? Like obviously for you Daryl
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Dixon fans, you wouldn't have Daryl Dixon without this.
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So, you know, like it because of Romero and his like just sheer
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willpower and brilliance to do what he wanted.
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You know, this is, it's, it's an, it's an incredible feat
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that, and I'm glad this movie exists, man, 'cause I, it's
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something I love and hold near and dear to my heart.
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As somebody who has a Romero zombie on his arm, I fucking
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love this film. Love it, love it.
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Good pick. No one very good.
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Pick everyone for Halloween. This is the perfect episode for
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Halloween, dude. You haven't seen it.
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It's a good one to put on. We got the friends over, you
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know, have a good, have a good guffaw.
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Guffaws all around. We're loving, we're loving some
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1960s vocal patterns. I don't know what it was, dude.
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People talk. People talk differently back
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then. I don't know if they did it on
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purpose. They were trying to sound more
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proper, but there's something about that.
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There's a certain there's a certain charm to it.
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But if we're doing rankings, I hate it.
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Yeah. It it everybody sounds like they
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were doing an old timey broadcast on a radio, except
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they were doing it as a current, all the time radio broadcast.
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Yeah. And all the time felt people
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were a little more deliberate with their words.
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There was. There's no umming and uhing and
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liking that Then, you know, window.
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Nobody comes. I've got to go to the window.
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Yeah, go ahead, get over to the window.
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That's also, that's also like that comes from being less
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removed from immigrant families. Like people had different
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accents back then 'cause they were, they still had their
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parents accent. Yeah.
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Or their grandparents accent 'cause you were a little more.
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Yeah. That's and like what we have now
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is generations of people removed from those accents.
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That's boring. Actually, the more you think
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about it, it's kind of fucked up and sad.
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Yeah, like, I mean, that's the reason why.
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That's why, like, you go back into older movies and you see
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like, well, these people are supposed to be American, but
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that guy's talking like somewhat Irish.
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Yeah. Because, like the generation
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before him, came from Ireland. That's crazy.
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Just a little, just a little. Yeah, just a little.
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You know, when you when you notice that, that's sort of it,
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it really puts it into perspective how like different
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the culture was even just to how they how they spoke.
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I wish cigarettes. Blowing my mind.
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Yeah. Fuck it, don't.
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Don't. Cigarettes rule, dude.
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Did everybody smoking cigarettes everywhere all the time?
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No, it's, it's a lot of these nowadays, bro, Yeah.
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But no, I mean in the movie, like he's smoking cigarettes in
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the house, he's smoking cigarettes at the cemetery.
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Everybody. Cigarettes in the basement.
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Yeah, what are you doing in this instance if someone has a pack
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of smokes there and you're. If there's 200 zombies outside I
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think I'll think I'll try it. Yeah, I think you'll like it.
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I think you should like it. I.
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Don't think it'll matter if I like it.
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Exactly. You better finish it.
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Smoke it to the butt. But.
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I would do it in in one RIP if that's even possible.
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I've seen people do it in three. That's crazy.
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I've watched this dude turn green, we bet he couldn't do it
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and he invited three big puffs in a row.
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Turned green and I felt really bad.
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He looked like a zombie. So you were talking about the
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ratings though? Yeah, yeah.
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If we're going to give it a rating, I'm, I love that natural
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segue. I'm going to, I would give it a
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four out of five, being above average.
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When you kind of take it for what it is, it's really, it's
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very dated, very old. But for the legacy it has and
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for kind of very, very much like being partially responsible for
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zombie movies in general, then I think it would deserve that.
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What about you? You, you want to go or me, Alex?
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No, go. Go for it.
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This gets a perfect five out of five for me.
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This is the foundation. This, this, this, this is the
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the groundwork and the foundational blocks to the
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modern day zombie films we have today and comic books, video
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games you wouldn't have left for dead.
28:18
You know, and I know that people have altered it.
28:20
Zombies can run. They can be different creatures
28:24
to a degree, like you got smokers and bloaters and you
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know, shit like that. But because of Romero's vision
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and because of how he where he took it in the movies to follow,
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especially this film, we have the blocks laid out in front of
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us for the modern day horror film, for the modern day zombie
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film. And it was a ballsy endeavor
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which he took with his friends and people who trusted him.
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And it panned out in the end. And it may have taken a while
28:54
for people to see the vision, but when they did, they
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realized, OK, fuck, this is cinema now.
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And that's important. Same with Alfred Hitchcock.
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You know, you can look at the Dahmer show or game show and
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they show a little bit of Hitchcock and making Psycho the.
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Power of the moving image. Oh, God.
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But that is, that is true. It was people like Hitchcock, it
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was people like Romero and so on and so forth who really pushed
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this forward. And people love zombies and I.
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Love zombies so. Five out of five, five out of
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five. Five out of five and pretty much
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what Nick said. This movie, like this movie, is
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the Black Sabbath. Of that's an horror.
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Movies. That's great.
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You know, same type shit. We wouldn't have half the stuff
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we watch if it wasn't for this movie.
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It's a classic. Watch it every Halloween.
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Every year. Comes on at least once or twice.
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Yeah, and. Yeah, 5 out of five.
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Everyone should watch this. If you haven't.
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It's everywhere. Go watch it.
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Yes, it should be everywhere. I don't really, I don't know
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where it is, but I I mean, I know where it definitely is.
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It's on screen box on. Screen box.
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