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Is Agatha All Along Episode 6 The Best MCU Show Ever Made on Disney+?! (Review, Recap & Reactions) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 2: I one of your hosts, Tatiana d Grand Duchess of Tech,
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  Speaker 4: Herself that it's me, Porscha Patterson aka Shade Sorcerers Supreme
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  Speaker 4: aka Captain planned It aka Fleekwood Mac aka Portia, the
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  Speaker 2: Stay with a bag at that, stay with us that. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I see you are every week you level up, Porscha.
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  Speaker 2: I love this and I told you the Rikwonda one
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  Speaker 2: you would. Thank y'all so much for everyone who's been
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  Speaker 2: tuning in to our reviews and recaps of Agatha All Along.
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  Speaker 2: We are now back today to talk about episode six. Now, yeah, damn,
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  Speaker 2: we're moving fast. Episode six of Agatha All Along title
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  Speaker 2: familiar by my side right the next part of the
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  Speaker 2: Witch is road Sonic, Limerick, whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 2: My god. Today this episode four shop for Shop Poor,
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  Speaker 2: shop for the way. I was screaming like I was
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  Speaker 2: watching an episode of Housewives or something like I was
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  Speaker 2: so into this damn episode. I I okay, I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to contain myself. How do you feel about this episode?
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  Speaker 4: I I appreciated how I did not know where I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was getting thrown. At one point, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was like, oh, it's their story, and another I was like,
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  Speaker 2: oh no, no, no, no, no, no, somebody whose story
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  Speaker 2: is it? Porscha, it's real story. Oh. I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: he was gonna say that. I did not. Oh okay, okay,
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  Speaker 2: see now you're challenging me already. We just that is
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  Speaker 2: three minutes in. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait
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  Speaker 2: a minute, Wait a minute. I didn't think he was
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  Speaker 2: gonna say that. Okay, well wait, how do we Okay, wait,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get there, We'll get there. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, First of all, the level of tea
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  Speaker 2: in this episode. They spilled, Oh my god, this whole episode. See,
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  Speaker 2: I thought you was gonna say this was all about
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  Speaker 2: Billy slash William. Okay, I thought you said it was
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  Speaker 2: his story. That's why I thought you was going Much
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  Speaker 2: like the episode did for me, they threw me for
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  Speaker 2: a loop. What we got to see this episode was
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  Speaker 2: really what we all been suspecting the entire time when
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  Speaker 2: we were like, who is this nigga? When we were
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  Speaker 2: talking about this teen character, right, who is he really?
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  Speaker 2: What is his real motives? Why is he really here?
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  Speaker 2: We knew that he was playing games from the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: We knew we didn't trust him from the beginning, and
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  Speaker 2: that there was there was something else afoot, right, So
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  Speaker 2: this episode pretty much tells you the beginning of his
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  Speaker 2: origin in a way, or second origin, and really how
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  Speaker 2: they came upon the road, how he came upon Agatha,
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  Speaker 2: and everything that has happened thus far. We have already
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  Speaker 2: explained in many, many times over in a few episodes
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  Speaker 2: about who Billy Kaplan slash Billy Maximov slash Wicked is.
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  Speaker 2: You did see in the previous episode that he revealed himself,
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  Speaker 2: at least from a power's perspective. He revealed that he is,
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  Speaker 2: in fact something else. He's more than me siye a transformer,
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  Speaker 2: if you will. I also realized that they have been
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  Speaker 2: lying to us since the beginning of this series about
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  Speaker 2: his position in the world and his position within this
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  Speaker 2: coven and all of this stuff. And now I'm kind
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  Speaker 2: of starting to we'll get there. Like you said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: starting to understand why you're saying, this is real story.
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  Speaker 2: But where do you want to start the beginning?
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  Speaker 4: It has to be because, like, first off, let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about the way that the episode description was like vague
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  Speaker 4: enough that was like like the team like it was
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  Speaker 4: it was telling, but it wasn't telling.
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  Speaker 2: It was like I just remember, I don't remember it
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  Speaker 2: word for word. I just remember that it.
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  Speaker 4: Was basically like and we get the teens tell basically,
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  Speaker 4: but it and it.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, what this whole.
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  Speaker 4: First act of this episode gave is that we should
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  Speaker 4: have taken from the hint that the kid was given
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  Speaker 4: the Moniker teen that perhaps this may all be a
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  Speaker 4: teenya story because you know, mysterious, tragic parent like thing.
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  Speaker 4: Then he is like it all happens whenever he goes
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  Speaker 4: into puberty, and then like you know, the big you know,
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  Speaker 4: barments of a scene and like you know, actually claiming
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  Speaker 4: manhood and then of course that's when everything is disrupted
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  Speaker 4: and all this stuff. Like it's like, oh, is this
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be the main character is the teenager? It's
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  Speaker 4: his world, it's his story. We've been centering it on Agatha,
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  Speaker 4: but it's been the teen all along. And once you
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  Speaker 4: get past that first sect, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, oh, actually, yeah, there's more and it's making sense
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  Speaker 2: right a lot of the things, Like I said, I
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  Speaker 2: just feel like it's been We've been lied to in
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  Speaker 2: the beginning. But it's a good lie.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes you be getting into these series and they present
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  Speaker 2: one thing and then you start digging in. You're like,
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  Speaker 2: this is this is not where I want to see.
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  Speaker 4: If this is, you're a bull, And then the matter
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  Speaker 4: door and you're.
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  Speaker 2: Like, right, right, no, this has been a pleasant surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Agatha all along, and maybe it's it's Billy all along
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  Speaker 2: the Maximov's all along because and and and it's so
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  Speaker 2: funny to me throughout everything, how much and especially this episode,
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  Speaker 2: how much Agatha clocks that family, like, of course this
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  Speaker 2: is dramatic. Of course we're doing all this stuff. You
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  Speaker 2: are true Maximov. That is y'all em that's how y'all move.
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  Speaker 2: Like everything about this is extra and dramatic as fuck.
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  Speaker 2: And it plays well. It plays well obviously as a show,
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  Speaker 2: but also plays well with Agatha as a character right
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  Speaker 2: and how extra herself she is, but also the nemesis
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  Speaker 2: relationship that she probably will forever have with anything named Maximov.
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  Speaker 2: I just it was just such the delicious TV. I
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  Speaker 2: enjoyed that going from the beginning. I will say like,
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  Speaker 2: first of all, they did pretty much like comic book
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  Speaker 2: accurate for those who are like very comic book guy
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  Speaker 2: about this. These Marvel shows and films and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: they are, they're fairly comic book accurate, at least when
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  Speaker 2: it comes to the origins of who Billy Kaplan is
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  Speaker 2: William Kaplan depending on you know, which this is one
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  Speaker 2: and the same, but in the comics at least one
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  Speaker 2: of the versions of him, like he is a young boy,
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  Speaker 2: he is his parents are what they call reform Jews,
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  Speaker 2: so like liberal Jewish people, and they obviously you saw
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  Speaker 2: all of that in the very beginning. I actually thought
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  Speaker 2: that was really beautiful. I like when shows show like
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  Speaker 2: the religious and the cultural and ethic aspects of like
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  Speaker 2: different characters. And also when it's like you can see
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  Speaker 2: that it involves a lot the community too, right, because
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  Speaker 2: if you saw the image when they were was at
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  Speaker 2: their temple or whatever, when they were doing his rights
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  Speaker 2: and he was speaking of people, you saw all the
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  Speaker 2: different types of people that were there, right, Like all
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  Speaker 2: the different people of different backgrounds and and and and everything, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I thought that was really cool to see. And
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  Speaker 2: then leading into the bar mitzvah, which I've never been
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  Speaker 2: to one. I don't know if you have. So besides,
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  Speaker 2: like TV. I never really known what goes on there,
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  Speaker 2: but you know it's to your point, it is a
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  Speaker 2: celebration of you know, like a coming of age celebration, right,
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  Speaker 2: and it is performed when the boy turns thirteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, girls getting botment.
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  Speaker 2: Girls get boss. Right. So just to see that, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's it's it's it's a it has a
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  Speaker 2: very serious religious part, but then also it's very celebratory.
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  Speaker 2: And then again you saw all his friends, all different
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  Speaker 2: walks of life, people just there to just celebrate his
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  Speaker 2: his energy and all that stuff. And then his parents
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  Speaker 2: just being so loving and supporting. Like I really like
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  Speaker 2: that as well. I just thought that was just a
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  Speaker 2: beautiful like rendition to again the comic book story and
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  Speaker 2: then to actually see that played out in live action.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's really fun too that like they this
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  Speaker 4: were this is a moment where they were not only
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  Speaker 4: getting us a glimpse of like little did we know
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  Speaker 4: the like the one time weren't need a glimpse at
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  Speaker 4: the Billy like William Kaplan before Billy that we're gonna get,
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  Speaker 4: but also like a glimpse into the mystery of like
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  Speaker 4: teen and so like they took a moment so like
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  Speaker 4: on the programs it says like and I like from
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  Speaker 4: my like people who've told me, like Jewish friends throughout
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  Speaker 4: the time, you told me about like how they had
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  Speaker 4: their about baromvas, how they like have.
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  Speaker 2: Themes, and it's just like the theme for his.
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  Speaker 4: Botvitzvah bar Mitzvah was the magic magic magic of William
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  Speaker 4: Kaplan And yeah, and then we see his room and
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  Speaker 4: we see that like this is all like working to
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  Speaker 4: the benefit of Billy, that William was already into magic
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  Speaker 4: and stuff, and so I really like appreciated that, like
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  Speaker 4: it was like it wasn't just like oh, it just
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  Speaker 4: so happens that like he stumbled into this life and
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  Speaker 4: then he like kind of took over like it was
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  Speaker 4: actually interrelated. And I like that there's like hints of
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  Speaker 4: that through that, and now like the program is there also, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I was I remember trying to get into like we
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  Speaker 4: were sitting there last week trying to get into a
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  Speaker 4: mystery or in a couple of the past couple of weeks,
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  Speaker 4: trying to get to the mystery of teen be like
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  Speaker 4: I see from a different timeline is he like what
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  Speaker 4: is actually And it was like how did a ten
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  Speaker 4: year old, like for that math to make sense for
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  Speaker 4: him to have like has awful happened to him at thirteen?
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  Speaker 2: And like he was ten when we last saw him.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened is.
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  Speaker 4: Like, oh, like all the curtains are coming uncovered and
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  Speaker 4: now we're getting in exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The Internet was saying things like, oh, the twins Billy
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  Speaker 2: and Tommy were secretly aged up during that period where
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  Speaker 2: the hex was was collapsing and all that stuff, And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, this is an easier this is
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  Speaker 2: an easier explanation, right, like and and that's also within
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  Speaker 2: the comic books, like it's several different stories about what
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  Speaker 2: Billy and Tommy actually are. They could be pieces of
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  Speaker 2: Mephistos energy or being right, they could just be things
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  Speaker 2: that want to contured up with her reality bending powers.
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  Speaker 2: They could be anything right and and and and and
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  Speaker 2: essentially at the end of the day, they're just manifestations
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  Speaker 2: of energy, right and once they were, aren't we all right?
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  Speaker 2: We're all made of stars all that stuff. Okay. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: as as we know from Wanda Vision, once the hecks
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  Speaker 2: collapsed or was done away with everything that want to create,
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  Speaker 2: it was also I guess released if you will. So
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  Speaker 2: the energies of what made Billy and Tommy were released.
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  Speaker 2: But apparently they're they're they're beings right, so and being
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  Speaker 2: of Wanda, they have powers. So what Agatha also alludes
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  Speaker 2: to at the end of this episode is just like
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  Speaker 2: you know, well, one that and this is where I'm
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  Speaker 2: just like, okay, this is wild metaphysical where I'm just
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  Speaker 2: like this this energy being that is Billy like has
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously has thought, has free will and all
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  Speaker 2: this other stuff. But even at ten understood and I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if this was an it just happened this way,
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  Speaker 2: was happenstance or he knowingly saw this body right, had
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  Speaker 2: this opportunity and jumped in, Right. That's where I get
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  Speaker 2: like it could be and you could this could be
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  Speaker 2: interpreted in many diferent ways. To me, I think you
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  Speaker 2: could go down the lane that you're going, which is like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, well, this this Billy Kaplan character is someone
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  Speaker 2: who was close enough aligned to Billy that it was
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  Speaker 2: just kind of like a perfect vessel, right, And then
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  Speaker 2: you could also say, well, just so happened that with
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  Speaker 2: this accident happening right in from Eastvield, right next to
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  Speaker 2: West View and it just so happened at the same
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  Speaker 2: time that Billy got released, his spirit got released. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just like I'm flowing into Etha. I need something
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  Speaker 2: to anchor myself. There go right, fresh body, as Agatha said,
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  Speaker 2: So it could go a few different ways. I think
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  Speaker 2: it's open for interpretation. You let me know you feel differently,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it might be open.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like with Witchcraft, nothing is a coincidence. M
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  Speaker 4: and the the fact that William just so happened to
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  Speaker 4: peace out right.
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  Speaker 2: To unlive himself as.
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  Speaker 4: His parents is.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't really unlive himself, but he was un alive Jesus,
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  Speaker 2: not by his own hand. But yeah, and I like
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  Speaker 2: and honestly the hexts.
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  Speaker 4: Like the compulsion and like the like actually coming up,
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  Speaker 4: like the hexts, like the compulsion of the hex like,
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  Speaker 4: like what's it like to keep it?
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  Speaker 2: To keep itself alive? You mean, everything related to the
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  Speaker 2: hext is just like I want to survive. And the
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  Speaker 2: boys are related to the hex. The boys are hex.
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  Speaker 4: Is Wanda's hexts. I think that no matter what she
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  Speaker 4: has her mother's like love or whatever related so like,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what, and so I think that's what I'm
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  Speaker 4: it's funny to me, and we're gonna get I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't want to get there before we want to get there.
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  Speaker 4: But I think when Ralph says they disappeared, I think
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  Speaker 4: they got sucked into the hexts.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like that's most of the fan
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  Speaker 2: theories of what happened to Yeah, Like we was like,
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  Speaker 2: we don't know, they must have got sucked up because
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  Speaker 2: what else because there's no explanation is the other explanation.
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  Speaker 2: But that's also good outs for writers because you can
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  Speaker 2: then say anything right, you can say well, actually you
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  Speaker 2: know you can, you can reccon it a lot, right,
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  Speaker 2: and and really be able to play around with the
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  Speaker 2: story and characterization. So I mean it's a it's a
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  Speaker 2: smart open door if nothing else.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like a I don't know if the writers
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  Speaker 4: of one division or like, let's do a layup.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very.
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  Speaker 4: Smart that the I get that all along writers were like,
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  Speaker 4: let's take some of the things that we can play
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  Speaker 4: around with and then like utilize.
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  Speaker 2: Them and the where we want to. From what I understand,
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  Speaker 2: at least in the past with different Marvel projects, like
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  Speaker 2: they don't know what the others are doing because it's
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  Speaker 2: everything so secretive. So if again, that could have been
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  Speaker 2: a coincidental layup. But I don't know for sure. But
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  Speaker 2: but from what I've understood, at least up until this point,
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  Speaker 2: like besides the overall MCU you know, like where's the
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: story going, like per Kevin Fahey, Like these these individual
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  Speaker 2: TV shows and things like that don't necessarily are doing
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  Speaker 2: things specifically so they work for the next show, right, Like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it may work in an overall timeline of things, but
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: like for this particular show, Like I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: that's the case, but either way it worked. It's very
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  Speaker 2: good writing back of it all along is that girl
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  Speaker 2: out of all? I mean, I has been I have
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  Speaker 2: been very upset with Marvel for a while now. I
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: think it's like going on a cool two years just
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: in terms of getting substance and shows that I cared
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  Speaker 2: about or shows that were just fun. We went through
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: a try try period.
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  Speaker 4: Over here singing Beyonce Love Drought.
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  Speaker 2: We was it was dry in Disney plus MCU land
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  Speaker 2: when it came to these shows and all this stuff
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  Speaker 2: was just so boring, like everything was boring and there
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: was something that there was something wrong, like whether it
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: was the CGI or they decided to put AI into things.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you do that? I'm looking at you what
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  Speaker 2: the Samuel Old Jackson show like I'm looking.
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  Speaker 4: At you the latest ant Man with what they did
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  Speaker 4: with Modoc.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I didn't I ain't see that, so I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm not gonna talk about things
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  Speaker 2: I ain't see. But all I'm saying is, and I
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  Speaker 2: know the sentiment has been shared across the fandom, just
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  Speaker 2: like we just we have not seen anything that was
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  Speaker 2: really piquing our interests and we and we was bored.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't giving. We were like, what are y'all finna do?
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  Speaker 2: And now we're here. I wanted to jump in to
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  Speaker 2: what you were saying about what we get to see
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  Speaker 2: about William right, and and this is before he and
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  Speaker 2: people William William I'm calling Billy Billy thank you. Same
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  Speaker 2: here William Kaplan and Billy Maximoff. I'm gonna be very
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  Speaker 2: particular and distinct and in the time of William Kaplan
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  Speaker 2: w k all right, very interestingly his background, I feel
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  Speaker 2: the road is completely a characterization of him. And this
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  Speaker 2: was That's why I thought in the beginning of this
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: of our podcast, you were gonna say the story was
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: about him, because as we see in the end credits,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: as we see in everything that happens in every episode,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: you know, up until this point, as we see in
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: how people act and all the references being made the
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Easter eggs, everything relates back to Williams's personality when we
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: first go into his room, when he first goes into
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: that room, Billy first goes into William's room. You see
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the Wizard of Oz poster. You see the Houdini posters.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You mentioned him like a magic right, So you see
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of those things in card tricks and things
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: like that. You see one of those say that again,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Mystic Rock poster, Mystic Rock, Okay, whatever that is. You
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: see the band, oh, whatever that is. You see some
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: eighties posters I called the Goofball some eighties movie. I guess.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I guess it's in the vein, Like I don't know
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: that movie, but I guess. But you know, it's like
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: when I'm thinking of things like that, think of like
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: goonies and stuff like that. So what else you saw,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Alice in Wonderland? You saw every all of those things
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that they have literally touched upon reference did on the
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: road thus far. That's why I'm like every this entire
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: journey has been a manifestation of William Kaplan's mind, which
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: for a minute I was just like, bro, we are
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: we in his hex? I got nervous. I got nervous, like,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, are we on d road? Foot pond
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: D or foot pond William Kaplan's mind? Which one is it?
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: Or it's both? Is it Uchi? Wally? Is it one? Mic?
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: It can't be both?
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I mean it could be both, which, as you said,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: we're doing with witchcraft and magic here, it could be both.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: This this stuff is very unexplainable and very un under
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I don't want to say unattainable, but it's hard to
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: understand from a regular like three D mind, right when
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: you don't live in a forty five D Uni verse,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you know you don't. I can't necessarily comprehend what how
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: that could be? But yes, it could be both. I
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: just thought though that that was just like it was
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: just so cool. And again when we talk about good writing,
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: how everything is connected and everything leads up and everything
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: has a reason. When we yell out what was the reason,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: these are the reasons and if you pay attention. The
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: answers are given to you, it just may take a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: while for it you to connect it us.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed that, Like the interconnectedness is like it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: they're not like slowing it down and whatever. I was
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: like last week and I was like, why did they
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: do it the reveal this last this episode episode five?
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: It is like so that we could get this moment
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: where we're like, this is this is.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm so five or so short because
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: remember we both talked about how oh it was just abrupt,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: like not not in a bad pacing way, just like
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: we thought it was gonna be long, whereas this episode
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: was dumb long to really give us the meat. This
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: was the ps the resistance of at least for as
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: far as we know of this series so far, because
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: it could be another one next wee week. Who knows.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, in the interconnectedness that Inner Wolf like
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: and I think that's what was in the that was
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: what was in a description like how does Billy know
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: the coven?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Like we get to know like his relationship with the coven.
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Members and so the way that I was not prepared
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: but kind of prepared, but like, oh my gosh, like
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I should have got been prepared. I was. People walk
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: into that little tent during his like uh barbar reception,
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: and who is there but Lily herself and you. That's
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: when the things start coming together like this lady must
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: have did the schitule because otherwise she would have remembered him. Yeah,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: and then we see that happen, right, And kudos also
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: to the Internet for saying stuff like when people try
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: to be like, oh, I Ben knew who Billy was.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Even before, like it was really apparent. And I was
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: reading and people were like, well, the sigil and I
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: think that I don't know if this was I mean,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: nothing's ever coincidence really right, But they was like, the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: sigil looks like a letter m M for Maximov. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I was just like, maybe you know all that, or
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: it's just a squiggle, you know, who knows. But Ben,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: seeing this episode when Lilia drew it, I was like, Okay,
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: this is this is very intentional. And but it wasn't
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: really like it wasn't a letter it was. It was
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: just it was really what it's supposed to also give
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: from an art perspective, when you really look at it, Portia,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: it gives it gives, It gives em, it gives maxim Off,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: it gives the same type of dramatics as the family.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: So I was just like got it. But to your
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: point with it being Lilia that actually cast the sigil,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: I thought was incredible. I like I said, I was screaming,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: like I was watching the the biggest reality show, Like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I can't believe they reveal that, like.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Her.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: I kept also yelling about Billy, didn't I keep yelling
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: you about that she knows, she knows everything, She knows
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: stuff she's trying to tell us, but her own psyche
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: or whatever, it's not letting her or she you know,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: like it's just too much going on with her right now.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: She's still in the Renaissance period or whatever period she's
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: stuck in, right for her to not only be at
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: that party but also tell him and you see the
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: split in his hand, right, his lifeline split, where like
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: it's very dramatic and apparent. Again it's two of you,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: my guy. We see later in William's room when Billy's
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: trying to convince himself, yeah, I am gonna be William.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: There's two mirrors. There's a large mirror and a small mirror.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Right there, and you see two reflections. You see the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: living embodiment of two souls, right, or maybe what should
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: be two souls? Right, Because as far as I'm concerned,
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: William Caplan died And if.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: They were being melodramatic, they could have played Christina Aguilar's reflection.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Because they're Disney, so they could have they could have
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: what movie was that from? Oh oh that was Mulan, Okay,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: they could have. They could have. I I just again,
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I just thought that was so fired. It was done
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: with the product, with the yes, it was so well done,
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: with the just prediction of she was and her one
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: cause you know she sees everything, right, Lilia, she sees everything,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: so her getting that big vision, getting the that's whole
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: raven vision and then basically lying to him saying everything
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: will be fine, and.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: She said, she said, you need to focus on the now,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: you because.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: You ain't got you got thirty minutes, thirty minutes, thirty
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: thirty thirty minutes, William, and you.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Can't the way did he deserve that? No?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: What kid? What thirteen year old deserves that now? But
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: it's the way that she was trying to protect him.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And then like again with this idea of Remember before
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: a few episodes back, you were talking about how when
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: they were doing the eighties theme, how everybody was kind
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: of dressed as like kids, you know, on seap Over,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: but Lilia was dressed like a mom. From the beginning,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: she has been protective as fuck, right, and as we
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: see now she is she sees the bullshit that's about
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to happen, and she wants to protect him immediately, like
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the way she springs into action. And it's like, I
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: don't blame her. I do not blame her for what
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: she did and for wanting to try to in a
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: way kind of give him some peace before the inevitable, right.
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: And I think it was cool that, like he that
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: was for Lilia.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: That's the most put together we've ever seen lilya mostly together. Yes,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: her fit was fitting, Yeah, arrangement was doing. I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like like, and so that made me wonder, like if
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: part of her psyche and if that was just a facade, right,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Like this is.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Just like she whenever someone's paying her, she can put
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: it on. She got what she needs to pull out
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: from the closet, she can get it together. Or if
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: her subconscious like knew something was is like approaching, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: she kind of like deteriorated what she did her part
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: in the story.
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: For that.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: She was like, that was when she had to be
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: at her top most lucid, if you eh, and then
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: way from there.
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that she also she could, like her her
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: forgetting could be unnoticed in her own mind, like I'm
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: missing a piece of time.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: But like whatever, because she's going through everything else, because
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: she was still having the flashes. Like she said what
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: she said the reverse tower right, the tower reverse, the
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: tower reverse, which in the tarot car read and stuff
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: in me means a person is resisting personal or transformational change.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: The car can indicate a reluctance to accept change or
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: embrace it willingly. And I don't know if she was
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: reading her own card or what like, or was she
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: reading Williams like when like who said she.
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: Were reading my hand and she said, oh, I just
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: had another vision, yeah, talking about.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well the change was coming. But that's why
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I say, was she reading herself because she saw the
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: change coming and to try to be resisting to change.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: She was like, I'm gonna place the sigil on him
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: because so he can't reveal who he's about to be.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe not, I could be I
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: could be reaching. I don't know, but I felt that
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: and I thought it was funny too. Just like you said,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't understand that about like the bar mitzvahs could
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: be like themed, right, So I was just like, oh,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: just having you know, tarot card readings, they're like or
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: not what they said? What was what did the science
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: outside her little tent? It was like fortune teller or
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: ten Okay. For so I was just like, okay, y'all
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: just have that at the kids party. But okay, I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: guess I guess that's fine. You know, it could be
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: out of place any other way and any other place.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But it was just interesting. And your point about the
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: fact that the point you were going to also make,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: which was the fact that he knew or saw all
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: of these people, William slash Billy knew and saw all
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of these witches prior to being on the road. William
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: saw Lilia, Billy did not. Billy did not.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: You're right, but everyone else.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Oh that's a good point. So wait, William is the
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: one who met Lily, right, and then the crash happened,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: and then thereafter Billy either, right, So when the crash happened.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: He was already right, he switched. That's when Alice who
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: at the time, and we knew that Alice was a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: police officer. Remember we learned.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Foreshadow Foreshadows.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: When she was working at Hot Topic. That was first
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: thing her boss said to her before he fired her.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: He was just like, you know, just like how you
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: got kicked off the forest and come to find out,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: come to find out.
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: This exposition that was for us to come back to here.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, come to find out Alice was there at the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: crash site. Then we when do we see the other people?
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: We even though she it was a YouTube ad, but
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: we saw gen right and right, and at this point
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Billy just mentioning how beautiful her skin is and all
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: this other stuff. He learns about Agatha through Google searches
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: and Reddit's and all this other stuff. Again that is
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: also Billy. He learns about Agatha through Ralph Boner and
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: then he goog Ralph than that right, which since we
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: just mentioned his name, can we also I love me
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: some Evan Peters, I do, I do. I do. I
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: never said that he ate up being an actor being dramatic.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I love him, I love him. Everybody is chewing the scenery. First,
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I've been loving it and I know he's done stuff before,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: but I know him from American Horror Story. Okay, that's
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: when I was first introduced to him. Of the first
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: was it the first season? The house, the harbor house, whatever,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: the murder house, right, murder, murder, a murder or murder.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I can't help it, but uh, Evan Peters
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: acted down, act down. And I love that he returned
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: as is Ralph Bonner character from Wanda Vision. And for
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: those who don't remember or whatever, he played a fake
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Pietro aka Fiatro aka fake Quicksilver, and he was he
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: was He's actually it was a Westview, a regular Westview
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: resident that lived next door to the plot that was
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: or to the house that would become Wanda and Envision's house.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: And so when Agatha came along, Agatha moved in next
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: door to Wanda's house and she basically under her magic,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: put Ralph under her spell and was like, Okay, you'll
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: be my husband, and I'm also going to disguise you.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: I'll need you to act like Pietro. Right, and then
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: when he entered it and this is back and WandaVision
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: and then he played that role like from a TV
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: show perspective of the funny, you know, quirky uncle. That
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: was that's a bad influence on the kids. I love how.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: H affected he is is why would he not be?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: But like the way that he puts being a bad
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: influence to Wanda's kids on the same like level of
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: pain as like killing their dog. I understand remember how
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: he explained himself. But first of all, I love the
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: screen name.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: He said, are you boner sixty nine boner man sixty
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: nine reddit name? It was perfect. Yeah, I understand why
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: everything affect them, he remembered. He prefaced this whole conversation
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: my saying you could not do or say or be
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: anything on your own, not a free will. So everything
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: rightfully affected him. Everything he was not he had no
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: choice but to do and go along with things. He said.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: He was a prisoner of his own self. How fucked
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: up is that? They Wanda did a number on that man,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: as did well really first Agatha but also Wanda, all
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: them witches did a number on him. Wit. Yes, he
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: was like, I never had a wish gat me right
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: in my life, which is probably nothing but like water
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: and ala vera but and then what was he shaking?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: He was shaking like he was sending me with all
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: of these little trinkets that he swear is gonna keep away,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: which is like their vampires number one, but which is
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: funny to me. Yeah, but I understand why he's so
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: affected and by everything that happened, because that is another
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: level of violation that you could a lot of people
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: just can. I cannot comprehend, right, like to you can't
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: do or say or feel anything on your own. You
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: are under complete control of someone else and to someone
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: else's no goodbye, And it's interesting, Like so just to
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: backtrack just a bit, because like William, the accident happens,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: William comes out of it with powers and amnees your
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: quote unquote, which is literally he doesn't he can't actually
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: remember because he's Billy. But also he doesn't really remember
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that he's Billy, which was that was a question mark
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: for me. It's like, how much does he remember of
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: his actual life? He said he remembers nothing before the crash.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: He just remember waking up in a crash, right, which
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: is why I'm like, William died.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: But also Billy, what did Billy remember about being Billy?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Was my question.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: But now that was happening, and so he like he
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: and he wakes up, and this was interesting to me,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: is that like this is a Marvel universe where talking
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: about like people like young people who are manifesting powers
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: like Miss Marvel and other folks exist and he keeps
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: his selepathy like a secret from his parents and he
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: only tells his boyfriend like right whenever they're gonna say
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the big I love you. So I wonder like I
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: get like holding something like that to yourself, because it's
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: like if people know they might feel like uncomfortable because
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: you can hear their thoughts, they're ready to look at
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: him like he's a weirdo, but.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Mostly because he's responding to their thoughts. Well, even beyond that,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: just the fact, remember the thoughts he hears are am
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I going to get my son back? Is he ever
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: gonna get his memory back? And never mind responding to thoughts,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: even he never responded to the thoughts. He knows what
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: they're feeling and actually thinking right, well, not let me
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: not say feeling. He knows what they're thinking, right, which
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: is who is this nigga? Right? The same thing that
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: we've been asking since in the beginning of this show,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: who is this guy? Really? They said, he is not
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the same person he was prior, and they felt like
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: they lost something. So you feel that, right, And I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: can understand him, even he says, he was like, you
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: know what, I just pretending that I'm back to normal,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: because he does. You know, he doesn't. They're already going
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: through it with him. They just he just he's a
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: good boy, right, or he tries to be a good boy.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: He just wants them to have some type of peace.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: But the parents know that they've lost something, something's wrong,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: something's missing. So, like like I said, even absence of
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: you know, hearing people's thoughts and stuff like that, just
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: you know, you know how these people are actually thinking
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: of you and you may grow to like or love them,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: but you really but you know that that's not your
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: people's right, So you still feel alone, right, You also
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: feel like something is also missing as he keeps trying
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: to determine. I totally understand him not wanting to share
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the idea that he has powers. Right, They already think
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Key's at least in the beginning. Definitely, they when he
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: came home, Who is this nigga? He's a weirdo, what's
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: going on? I don't trust that. I would absolutely understand
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that he would tell a boyfriend, right, And remember that
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the crash happens when he was thirteen, and then we
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: jumped to when three years later when he's sixteen. At
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, a sixteen year old is
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: going to sixteen year old, Right, You're not necessarily going
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to share those things.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: I was doing the maths.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Hell, people don't share grown ass and dolts don't be sharing.
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I was doing the maths and I was like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: I first before, I just feel like I'm little. That
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: might be a little different because I'm like, I like,
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: if there's an explanation for my weirdness, I'm going to
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: tell you. I'm like, oh yeah, on my period, Like
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like if I'm going if
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I'm acting, and I'm like.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But you can't explain that by saying that poor shit,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I mean, for shit, I can hear your thoughts, and
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: that's why I'm acting. That's why thoughts no poorscha no
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: no no, no, no, no, okay. And as we see,
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: as we have been and what what Marvel has been
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: starting to do, at least in the later shows the movies,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: like for obvious reasons, you may not want to tell
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: people you have powers, right, And also I remember there
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: are also now that mutants. Now that mutants are now
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: mcy you can And now we're shifting where it's not
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: about oh, as a superhero that's accepted, right, Oh that
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: person is an avenger. Right, these are teenagers and random
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: people just come out the woodwork saying oh, they have powers. Now,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: couple that with with puberty, couple that with personal mental
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: emotional development, couple that with just humanhood, right, Like it's
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: it's a lot. And when you wrap it all up
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: then in the idea of mutants, whereas mutants are not
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: accepted in many rights, and the idea of when they
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: say especially we see a lot of next Men where
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: they say, when you actually reveal it, you're im mutant,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: it's akin to coming out right, which is and which
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: is Also I see the parallel there with like him
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: being a gay teen and I love that his parents
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: are so accepting of that. However he won't come out
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: that he has powers.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, I can only push him so far.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It's it's so interesting. But yeah, I say all that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to say I understand I understand. I'm not saying I
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: don't understand. I understanding.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: I could also see if he was like, I'm also.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Like and this is why and what are they supposed
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: to do with the information?
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: Like what do you think I mean?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: His parents? Does do feel accepting? Seem accepting? But what
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: are they supposed to do with that?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Firm move your thoughts accordingly?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: If you don't want me to catch Okay, let's let's
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: play out the scenario. I'm your parent and you've been
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: acting weird and you come to me and say, Tatiana
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: or mom, excuse me. I can read your thoughts. What
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: the fuck am I supposed to do with that information? Like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: now you're gonna hear me saying, oh shit, I need
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to hide my thoughts. Oh shit, she heard me say
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I need to hide my thoughts. Oh shit? Like you understand? Like,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: what how do you negotiate that? If you don't want
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: me to know? Make sure I don't find that. He
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: can't control it. I can't control thinking my inner monologue.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Now I gotta be this special Yogi type person that know, Like,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: now I gotta wear magneto helmet. Goddamn it, what is
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: this I gotta put luminum foll on my head? What
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: is Maybe it's just me.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: I would be less creeped out if I felt like
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: someone kept responding to something before I said it.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Like they're like girls if you knew that they could
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: reach my mind. It's not even being about creeped out.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: How are you supposed to be? How are you supposed
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: to be? How are you supposed to act? Because that
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: means everything? And he says that it's only people that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: he's really close to slash and when they're having really
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: intense moments, and when they have really intense moments. Right,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: So imagine like my that's my child. I'm having a
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: tense moment about something I love or hate or or
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: not hate. But it's like about whatever's going on. Like
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: my child told me they can read my thoughts. And
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: here I go just going like I'm not telling my
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: parents that No, okay, I'm not. I'm I see both
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, right right, I'm not discounting your your
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: point of view. I'm just like girl, you got to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: be kidd in me. That's a lot to see a
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: world where I'm just like girl, sure and sure, sure,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: I'm wrapping my head a little morefoil. Yeah, thank you.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I think it's funny that also, like they there's explanations
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: for everything, of course, but like we saw in the
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: end credits that like the heck's over Westview is like
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: that has its own like pages, and we know that
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: we find as you were saying that, as he's going
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: an investation, that's all Billy's capturing. So it's called an anomaly.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: And the explanation is that the Avengers had a failed
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: test and that's that pr team and all the time
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that's Olivia Polpe baby and.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: And Billy calls Eddie his boyfriend, adorably trusting for believing that,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: and then he spends that back on.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: Too Billy whenever Billy's like, we're going to meet an
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: extream ten and it's so weird. It's so weird. It's
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: so like, come on, guy, but y'all are both adorably trusting.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Y'all both adorable, and it's a very teen romance dialogue.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, and this is why they're trying to
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: sell us on right now in this moment that we're
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: in a teen centered like series or you know what
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like it's about that teen level of work.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And he's being called teen. This is this is what's
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: the word.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: This is.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Not not the application of but this is he is
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: the representative of it as yeah yeah, and he's like, yeah,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I just enjoyed that, like they give us. I'm enjoying whatever.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I feel like Wanda vision is very overt and how
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: you're seeing differences that comes throughout the ages. I feel like,
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: whereas I get that all along, it starts you off
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: with the overt, but it actually allows me to see
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: the subtleties like one like for first act of one episode,
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: you're gonna get a teen TV drama for another episode,
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: like part of that episode. It's not all gonna be
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: one note of a sitcom or era or genre or whatever.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be a little bit of everything. I would
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: take that analogy even further. I would say WandaVision gave
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: TV while I could to all along give books and stories.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: I feel I feel more because, at least for me,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: because I'm a you know, I'm a big into writing
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and reading and things like that. It's just my imagination.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Especially when you read a lot like you you know
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: your imagine it just works a little bit differently. I
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: just feel like it it gets more depth to it too,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So I would like add on to what you're saying
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: from from what I'm thinking as well, Like I like
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: where you're going with that. I didn't just I'm enjoying it.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I'm a fan of how this show is doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: I know we need to see it move into because yeah,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: so so we met Ralph, We did all this stuff,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: like we talked about all the background now and then
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: you see the change, right like obviously with when when
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: when William becomes bored?
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Go ahead, when there he's in the car about to
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: go figure out is that where you're about to go to,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Like when he's in the car about to go find
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Agatha to.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Go teeth in Agatha's house. No, but I know what
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you're about to say. Go ahead, you can you got it.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I loved that we got a hint to a black
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: heart in the text message from the boyfriend. And then
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: damn it if if Billy is the black heart, who
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: the fuck is Rio? When we talked about who's part
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: of the coven, We've been going on and on about
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Oh Billy's not really part of covet Oh no, ho
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: real ain't particle? First of all, where is Real.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: Because she's in the first and that's why I feel like,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: now I have to go back to the first episodes
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: and figure out where when Rio's they're not there versus
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: where Rio's they're not They're in this episode because she
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: was in there eating pizza with Agatha whatever. She found
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: him in the house.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Oh right, right, right, right right? You talking about like
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: in the episode one, technically.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like Rio was there, but then whenever Billy shows up,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: he doesn't see Ria, he.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Doesn't see Real, right. And this is interesting because like,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: like we talked about how either William or Billy met
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: or saw each of these witches at some instance, right
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: with the exception of Real, and as we know, he
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: even saw missus Hart slash Sharon right because she's the
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: one who stops him wait when he's he's running away
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: from Agatha house.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: And I liked her characterization of this too, just as
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: an aside, because like in like the original, like the
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: first couple episodes, when that happens, she's like, oh, I'm
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: so I didn't mean to hit him, but and then
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: she was like hooligan, like no.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: She she met that.
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: She meant that very much so, which is fine, but
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: it feels like in Agatha's mind, she's written Sharon's to
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: be a weaker person than who Sharon actually is.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Well, of course, you see how even when she was
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: playing around like she was possessed by Sharon's spirit when
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: they were in the like the sleepover trialhouse, she does
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: think that. But that's also Agatha right. She downplays and
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: condescends people all the time, especially though she feels don't
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: really got no powers and don't really got no move right,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: like don't got no motion. She's gonna be like, Okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: you're just this also ran type person. You're you're not
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: necessarily someone of agency. But it was also to your point,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it was good seeing that because Sharon was the tragic character,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: right and the one that has just kept having stuff
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: done to her, including her whole husband dying and shit
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: like that. So yes, I your point though about that
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: black Heart stuff again just going back to who who
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Reo is and what her point is and where is
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: she and what is she exactly, and also just leading
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: back to what you said at the beginning of this episode,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: which was this is real story. What you're talking about? Explain? Please?
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Can you explint?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm like where do I start?
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Okay? So when.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: I think we sa art with William kaplan, okay, who
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: why was he influenced to have magic in his life?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: He had the theme for the bar Mitzvah, he had
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: his room, he had.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: That, And that's not just his personality distance it is him.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: It could be I just figured it was. Okay, however
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: you want to believe it? Okay? And then when.
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: Billy becomes part of William slash is William, we go
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: from like basic I'm so sorry, but basic like magic
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: interest into he has.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: A grimoir, he's over here, got the reverse spell notebook?
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: He's got he goes started which core?
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: He has like deeper in which core? And he also
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: has the ballad which doesn't seem like it seems like
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: it's well known within like the coven witch.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: He was well known between witches, not not popular culture.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: So where did this level of influence and of what,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: when you think about it, influence? Who influenced Billy to
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: start diving into this level of thought? Because again, if
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: he does not remember that he's actually Billy, I see
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Then where do basically, where does this
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: personality come from?
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Or where does his driving need to interact with witchcraft,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: because he could just he could be on a Miss
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Marvel track. He could be like, I'm going to figure
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: out how to use my powers and like build stuff
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: or whatever, like you know what.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, Like he could where he could have did
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: anything with his powers and being able to hear people's
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: thoughts and and maybe whatever else he finds.
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: I'm like trying to think of other telepaths like Jean
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Gray or like Professor X. They're not like, they're not witchy.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: But also so he has a different like as far
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: as we know, it's still not truly developed because at
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: the end, Agatha mentions how you have a lot of power,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: but you can't control it, right, And we see that
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: like when he tries to manifest, it's just it's just
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: a little flicker, and he, you know, he don't. He
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: still hasn't developed it fully. It's within him. But even
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: in that telepathy stuff, I don't even know if he,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: like he says, he only only seems to turn on
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: with people he's close to or love, right, Whereas if
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: you're talking about a Gene Gray profess everybody, they just
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: you know, So this is a different level. And obviously
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: he can get there. I'm just saying, like maybe it's
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: just because he's just not there. That's fine.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: I'm saying they did not drive their powers from magic,
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: and he doesn't either if he's a mutant, Like, if
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: we're staying can that he's a mutant, So why did
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: he tap into witchcraft as his level of condenters? And
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: so for me, that feels like it was planted.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Into him because someone knows who he is and someone
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: wants to line him up to work on Agatha because
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: technically he doesn't really He's right when he's on the road,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: he doesn't need Agatha one. He doesn't really well does
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: he really need the road to get to his brother?
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: That was what hit like we never saw an explanation
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: for We just see that, like he hears the song
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: of the road and he kiss his keys and then
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: he goes to Agatha, but we never see why he
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: thinks at the road is the answer to his like
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: query with.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Like his finding his brother. In the episode when Rio
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: was doing her like Nancy crash out impersonation when she
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: was fighting Agatha, was she moving really fast like you flick,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: you don't fear like he's here and she's here, You
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: know who else has super speed? Right? The brother tell me, Yeah, Tommy,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: are you saying that she could? I hope that's not
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: what you're saying. Okay, that just like what I mean.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, you could reincarnate to anybody. And I'm just like,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: please don't let that be the answer, right, Okay, I'm
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: just gonna throw that out there though, but I hear you.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: So Also, if we're going along the same path that
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: everyone who is on the road is someone that Billy
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: or William met or saw. When did he meet or
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: see Rio?
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: And I think there's a reason why we're not seeing
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: that right now. I think she's a puppet master and
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: we're not seeing her at work because we're supposed to
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: just take what we're getting. And then that's one layer. Well,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: we're probably on layer three now in the story, and
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: then we'll get the story with Rio's intervention and that'll
• 52:56
  Speaker 4: be the overlayer. And I think the main things that
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: make you feel like it's Rio is questioning how she
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: is not there when she was there in the original
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: like episode, so what what I goet this scene in
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: the scenes whenever she's getting the reversal spell is different
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: than the reality, and the main.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: We know that, but we thought Rio was there and
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: she's not. When Billy's there, I'm just as confused as
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: that on herself. She's hiding her influence, is what I'm saying.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, and that's she's puppeteering everything. And I
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: think we're going to get a reveal that the.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: And so I'm like, is Eddie actually an incognito version
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: of like Rio? Because she why why is he calling God?
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: How why is he calling him.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: That black heart? The black heart? And you must be
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: we must be you must be reading minds right now
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: because I wanted to go back. I said black heart
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: stuff because the whole triple meanings of what that meant.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: You know, when they talked about heart, missus heart, the
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: heart of the show, the heart of the coven, the
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: black heart, where that's what Rio referred to, well, real Agatha,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: an Agatha's mind, Rio is her black heart, right, the
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: idea of what the word black heart means someone has
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: a black heart, that means that they don't have a heart, right,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: they're cold calculating all this other stuff. And then again
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: now the boyfriend doing the black heart, I just thought
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: that was just in the vein of the whole horror core,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: right that they're they're the you know, they're the witch. Email.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: They're not God. They're the email, right, but they're gone.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: But no, they're not God. You think they're okay, em
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: not really though they're kind of there's there I forgot
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: what that middle ground. There was a middle section of
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: there was like a cross section people who were both
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: and I don't know what that was called. I don't
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: remember that's called. But the point is that could just
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: be very aesthetic for their relationship or to your point,
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: it could be some manipulation. And that's that reoccurrence of
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: that symbol. They they're fucking with us.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: They there are never coincidences.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Manipulation. What did I say last week, which is in
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: and in and of themselves are a form of manipulative
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: energies and manipulative manipulation. This, this is fucked up Portia.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: I feel like they're casting spells on us as we
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: watch the show Demonization Police don't be out there.
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: They're saying, oh, I had just turned off that Disney program.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: They're spelling the folks. When you when you turn your
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: eyes on the screen, you get fire. The lord, what
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: do they say? Get it out? Of here. No, but
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: I this is a lot. It's a lot, but it's
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: it's it's a lot in a very adventurous way, and
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: I'm very happy about it. What else, it was some stuff?
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Oh like also when we are in the scene where
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Agatha is interrogating and again I love being able to
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: watch these. It's essentially we watched a lot of scenes
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: that we saw already, just from a different perspective. Right
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: now we see it from Teen's perspective slash Billie's perspective.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: In that scene where they were sitting down and she's
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: interrogating him, she's Agatha is wearing a Boner Family reunion shirt,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: which I was just like, Okay, are they also are
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: they going to say like Ralph is coming back, or
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: there's going to be more Shenanigan's happening as we continue,
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Like is that it is in the implication of anything,
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: or it's just like another Easter egg. I think for me,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: it was just a conference. Like it was like rubbing
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: it in the face, Like she's really rubbing in the house.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: She really colonized this mant house. She went through all
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: his closets, she's wearing his stuff, she took this mant house. Yeah, yeah,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: and then what we've been what had to said, like
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: you know all these the other witches, are they actually dead?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Right like as Alice?
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: Is it the true death we gotta get?
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: So that's like the segue into like so we come
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: out of Billy like that that time block to present
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: day and there's Agata coming out the swamp a quicksand swamp.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: It was like tars which also is that another way
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: where they try to kill, which is the bolm and
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: tar and tarn.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Feather, same time period, and then Billy destroys the sigil
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: and then she's like she a trip. She says that
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: he got rid of Lily and Jin, but it's also
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: like is it a true death?
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I My thing is, especially because he threw them in
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: the in the quick grass quicksand the same out and
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I know that is powerful, I get it, but like
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: them is a powerful.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: Too, Yeah, especially Lily, Like okay, definitely, And so that's
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: why I'm like questioning.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like manipulation.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: I think that Agatha doesn't care whether they're dead or
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: her life like that that makes sense for Agatha. I
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: think that it is in her willhouse to make sure
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: that Billy feels like he's just as cruft as she is,
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: so she can manipulate him even further, like like.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And he feels he's not you know how he's she
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: he says, well, the first one there or last one
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: there's a nice person. He's like, I'm not as nice
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: as you think, Like, like you said, is that just
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: continuing manipulation from Agatha or is that him trying to
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: be just like his mother be like, oh, I'm a
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: bad bitch. Actually don't play with me. I just feel
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: like it's also like Agatha. It's to Agatha, and control
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: is a thing, Like she's always.
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: Going to feel like she's in control situation, and even
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: if she's not in control, she needs to feel it
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: like it and I feel like that is happening here.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: I also think about the motifs and like the theming
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: of it all, like how.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: Demoralizing it was for you know.
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: Lets we talked about how majority of witches are people
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: who were persecuted for being witches are women, and often
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: they were told like to question themselves, to.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: Question their morality, to question like that. And then like
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I get this taking that same level of persecution she's
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: putting it on the team she is, and she's also
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: playing with his mind because she also congratulates him. Basically,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: she was just like, oh, well you're you're a true witch.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: And he's like happy by you see him, like feeling proud,
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: like I am living up to the hype. I am
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: gonna be a bad bitch, right, and then like right away,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: then her demeaning him, like it's very she is a
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: horrible person. I love Agatha, but goddamn.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: And that's so if you think about it, like she
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: like he is technically six or seven years old, Like
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I don't know how long Bondavision is, like, but he
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: was like probably technically from the time period.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: The Heck was like two years, right, two three years?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: How long was the Heck?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Did the Hecks last? I don't know how long it lasted?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: I know it when like the time period in between
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: the Hecks and this show is three right, So if
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: he was, let's give him one. I don't feel like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 4: it's that. I feel like it's like months, but let's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: give him he was one, uh because of the baby
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: to ten year old jump, and then he was actually
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Billy for three years and then three years later he's sixteen,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: So he's technically seven, okay, and he's being manipulated by
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: someone who knows that he's technically seven and knows how
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: easy it is, like, oh, let's talk about your mommy,
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: let's talk about your dad, let's talk about your twin.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: And I'm trying to also understand, like, you know, the
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: implications of them still continuing on this road together, like
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 4: him talking about old.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: But first of all, I didn't understand why he did
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: away with Jen and Lilia, Like I don't understand what
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: he did.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: I miss something that I think we're not getting the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: full story on purpose. I think we're supposed to not
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: be aware of what actually is happening, because he's.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: Not aware what was happening. I didn't understand why he
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: whacked them, like I don't.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: But did he think he was whacking them?
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because she was. And even even when
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: an actor was like, well I killed some too, I'm like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: but did he kill anybody? Eye? But he didn't seem
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: he just seemed like, yeah, I did that shit like
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: like but more of a yeah I'm a bad motherfucker
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: type thing, not like he really wanted to. I don't know,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Like you now you're trying to appel somebody's Ea. It
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: felt very ego response as opposed to something he was
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: really proud of. I don't know, especially like him learning
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: because in that period, that that period of him realizing
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: he's Billy maximum Off and then being told all this
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: information and him learned, you know, going through because he
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: said he's been keeping a dossier on everything, dealing with
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: like the hecks and all this other stuff like. But
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: he brings his boyfriend into the room and he said,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: look at all this shit, right, he has all this
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: wild shit on the ground, which is funny because it's
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: very much like a crime drama that act that have
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: been living in, you know, when they do the big
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: boards with the lines drawing connections between stuff. It was
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: very reminiscent of that. But the fact that he and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: again could have been real. But the fact that he
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: felt compelled to do all this digging into magic and
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: all this digging into who Wanda was and everybody else
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: is and and who these you know, you understand, like
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: it's just what you about to say.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: How did he decide that was the route to go?
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: If he does I know that he's Billy Maximo. He
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: just knows that he got the clue from Ralph Bohner
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: that the twins died.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: He did that was he got that? Then he just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: got it.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: Do you really that he didn't know he was Billy Maximov?
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: That's my question. We get all the way name.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: It's been three years since William and Billy were supplanted, right, Yeah,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: when did he what's the I don't recall in this
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: show when in this episode, rather when is the first
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: time he says who he? And that's what I thought,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: And that's why I'm like, in my misrememberings, I thought
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: when he was in the hospital he called himself Billy
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: and then he saw how the parents reacted and he.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Was like, William, I'm gonna have to watch that bag. Yeah,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: it was either that or when one the point that
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: one scene, why did do his last name? Right? One
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: scene why I do remember him saying his full name
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: was when he he got he got the mirror, the mirror,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: and he said it again when he was getting Wanda
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: not Wanda Agatha out the spell when he was in
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: Agtha's house and he She's like, what's your name? And
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: she says say that again and he says, first he
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: says William that he says, Billy, and she's what.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: She's stroking her broach like it's a counter spell or something,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: and it still doesn't work.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: She still used the schigul or whatever. So that reminds
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: me the.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Broach might like and is that a fake broach?
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Then like, well, no, I had to because the spell
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't a work. The release spell wouldn't have worked for him,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: or so what happened? We also said, was it him
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: that released? Remember we had doubts that he was the
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: one who did the release?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because again Rio was there.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: Rio is the answer.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: I so what happened? And I noticed this and I
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: was like, I'm this feels like it means something. And
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: now that you're talking, it's making me be like, maybe
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: this is what it meant. When he steals into her
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: house to get and gets the brooch and she go,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: she gets it back by him dropping. Whenever she shows
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: him in a closet, it's lying on the floor and
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: the camera pans down to the Lockett broach being on the.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: Floor by the closet.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: Next scene or two, we get Agatha touching on the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: brooch so she has the back in her hands.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Did well. The next scene also was like the next
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: day too. Yeah, I just thought it was as a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: time jump, right, But why did we focus on the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: broach being on the floor, So did Rio snatch the
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: real brooch give her a fake there instead, and then
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: that's what she's holding whenever she goes to do it.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Because if Rio told Agatha, that's not your son, because Rio,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: who's been there the whole time without them noticing and
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: who's been pulling strings, knows that's not So she wasn't
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: just saying that, you know, as like to be mean
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: to Agatha whatever she is, legit, just saying the truth
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: to Agatha, that's not your son, because she knows the
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: truth already.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: She knows who Billy is.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: What would be the implication for the reason why she
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: would switch the brooch.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Because if that's a counter spell to the sigil, then
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 4: that would ruin her whole plan. For like, I wanted
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: not to know who Billy is until the end, and then.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Dang it when.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: Rio to me, like, because to me, what happens is
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: that one she Rio already knows who uh Billy William
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: Kaplan slash Billy actually is, so the sigel doesn't work
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: on her because we never really see her react to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: the Sigul.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: She may not be a witch. She just may be
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: death and the sigel would not inquire her anyway. You
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: mentioned that before and we talked about that where and
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: it's evencoming more apparent because it's just like we we're like,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: where is she? Who is she? All this other stuff
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: she's not really part of coming. She may not even
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: be the black Horse, she's not even working on the road. Right,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Like when Lilia wrote the list of names, who is
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: the black Heart? Right? Was it actually Billy? Hmm?
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: There's so many There's so many like loose ends here,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 4: like does a black heart mean Rio? We think not?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Does it mean Billy or does it actually mean Eddie?
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Is it a double?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: You know? Is there things that we're supposed to be
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: picking up there?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Do we will?
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 4: We? That was another question I have is like, so
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: is it a double ma Tandra that Billy is seeking
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: or told Agatha that he's seeking more power and actually
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: he's seeking Tommy. But the real answer is that when
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: he finds Tommy, his powers will increase because the power
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: of tweens.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: Probably probably I could see that happening. I could see
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: that then reactivating something, right, I can also because I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: know there were some people already who were like they,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: And I didn't understand why people been like you, you're
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: on the road. Why would your first person to be
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: looking for is Bill? Is Tommy? Why would you look
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: for your mother? I'm like, that's his brother, Like I
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: understand for me, this is twin, this is twin. I
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: understand wanting to find your brother first. Especially remember when
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: they both technically died. What did they say good night Billy,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: good night Tommy? Right? And when he was then supplanted
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: or I don't know what you want to call it, transfigured,
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: transformed whatever reincarnated into when Billy went into William's body, Right,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: what does the first thing Billy says Tommy? Right? Like,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: that's the last thing you see and hear when you die,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: and the first thing you see or say when you
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: woke up your brother. So I understand this whole journey,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: at least initially being about Billy trying to search for
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: his brother, and then afterwards you can feel him, he
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: could feel him, and then afterwards to your point, maybe
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: with their powers increased or intensified or right, some casts
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: and plan of shit, they may be like, oh shit,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: where's our mom, maybe we could find our mom. And
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: also in the comics, it's not in well, in some stories,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: it's not really until they come together that then they're like, Okay,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: we gotta find our mom, we gotta help her or whatever. Right,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: it's they're twins, there's always the thing they do together.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: So yeah, his brother's going to be the first priority. A.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: Tommy's having the same issue he's having, like whereas Wickan's
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: powers are just like fizzling. We can like stuttering, like
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: he's like he's a little fast, and he's like, oh,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: then go all the way, you know, like maybe they're
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: having similar power issues. And so when they're together, the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: powers can fully like unload and go to where they
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 4: need to go.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good possibility for you. And also it's just
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: so funny, like just the idea, like everyone's like, it's
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Wanda really dead, and it's just like they keep saying
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: over and over that bitch dead, that bitch dead. It
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: is dead. We know she could be somewhere in the
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: multiverse kind of sort of like they've left it very
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: ambiguous in my head. Well, no, it wasn't that biggous,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: wasn't she In Wonder Gore at that point, she just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: ended up under Wonder Gore Mountain or some shit. I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: feel Adam in multiverse madness, Like, remember, she sealed herself
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: up basically, so she ain't dead dead. I just feel
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: like it's a comic book series, for one. So that's
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: that's why you're questioning the death that we saw on
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: this show. And let me tell y'all if y'all never
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: read an X Men, because because Wanda is an X Man,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: let's remember that. But if you've ever read any X
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: Men stories, none of that shit mattered, Like, oh, everybody
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: named Mama dies and then the next run comes out
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: and everybody back right, or oh everybody and Mama got
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: ten legs, then the next run everybody on some other
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: shit Like, this stuff doesn't And this is not a disparagement,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: this is just facts. The stuff don't last, right, This
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: stuff can change up at any point. So yes, to
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: Portio's point, this is comic books. And you know, from
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: a MCU standpoint, this is the multiverse. Anything can happen.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Anything can happen with Disney Marvel. Okay, what else did
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: we miss anything? I mean, I'm sure there's lots of
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: things that we did not potentially discuss, but like stuff
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: that you had in mind or thoughts you had in mind.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: The most love for me. I was happy to see
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: Ralph again.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: I love Oh my god, I I was.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: I was when you said the first time you saw like,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like I saw him younger, and it was
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: on the Field of the Future. That's where I first
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: saw Evan Peters.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't recurring role on there first, but
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: I was a kiss. I remember him young like I
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: was also young, So I'm like, I remember him.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed it. I think that he I think
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: it for me, I was like, of course it's Ralph Bonner.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: It's the only person from west View who's willing to
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: speak because everyone else's.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: Was like so traumatized, traumatized. He is too, It's just
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: he is.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 4: But he's got a whole like he even at the
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 4: there's like a cut scene of him like running on
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: the run from Sword, so he has he's been on
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: the front Sword for so long that I think the
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: way that he processes things is completely different than how
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 4: most people process things.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: And he's he's they they made him like a like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: a typical conspiracy theorist, right that's right, everyone's coming to
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: get me. I have to be careful. He tapes up
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: the camera for you. How you got how you want
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: to run? But you got a one man show. I'm praamise.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I just the stuff that
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  Speaker 2: hes been saying.
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  Speaker 4: He the man he has an aka because he was like,
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: he was like, he's like cover Oh darn it, Randall.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I just thought it was funny. I thought that
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: was just a funny thing of him being so silly,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: like him saying his real name and then trying to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: cover up real fast because he's a dummy. But it
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: is what it is. I just I didn't enjoy seeing
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: his character again. And then you know, I was at
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: first I didn't catch it, like I didn't clock in,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: and I was like, Nigga, that's Quicksilver, Well the fake Clicksiver.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: That's Quicksilver's as soon as the real quicksilver. He's the
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: real quicksilver in fox He's a real Quicksilver. In my heart,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: he's a real Quicksilver. And didn't do it. You don't
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: care about the other one. The MCU. Originally okay, she
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: said no, thank you, give me Evan. Oh there is
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: one one point one note I had that I didn't
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  Speaker 2: mention before the fact that when Billy was researching Agatha
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: and did like the Google reverse imagechurch and all of
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: this stuff on the that Wikipedia what do they call
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: it pia like brew ha, you know, another word for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: which they it said in her page that she has
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: sucubist power. And for those who you know, follow mythology
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, like the sucubist is too they
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  Speaker 2: portrayed as like a feminine or female being person whatever
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  Speaker 2: that drains men of their life force and energy by
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: you know, sleeping with them and things like that. And
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: you know what we know of of Agatha is you know,
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  Speaker 2: if someone blasts her, as she says, she can just
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: drain that energy and gender neutral and it's it is
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: gender neutral. And you know when she's kept saying she
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: couldn't help her, she couldn't control it, right she was,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I guess she's just born this way, right, And what
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: did her moms said? You were born evil? And again
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just her mom's just being
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: a wild parent or nonparent, or is it truly her
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: just being like you know, she basically said, I should
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: have got rid of you before you got here, because
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: she knew what her daughter was.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 4: I feel like the thing is that also thinking about
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: like this whole series, Lily has been talking about the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: ways that has been persecuted, and if you say it
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: that way, it's basically the same way that people like labeled,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: which is like the like promiscuous women of their day
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 4: or whatever. Like she's if her thing is the sucurest
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: power and she has that puritanical mother.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Well you're you're a loose woman. You I shouldn't have
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: had you. You are a loose lady. Could you're imagine
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: that you're a child and your mother tells you this,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: Like I could tell like a mom's was on her
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: ass from jump streets, So like, no wonder she you know,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: she's grown up to be so fucked up. But again
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: just that idea of her not being able to just
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: saying she can't control it, right, and I you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: was like can you though, like yeah, sure you can't.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: But it's also like she said that for a minute to.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: Alice, it really seemed like she really had a moment
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: where she could pause and simply not simply not you
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: think so yeah, mmmm, oh god, I think I think
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: everything's a choice, and I think THO should Those are
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: decisions that people make, and it the technicality is that
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: people are blasting power at her. Well technically the power
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: was blasted at her mother, not her, So like you
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, it's just I don't know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: I don't. I don't get with that game of I
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: can't control it. I can see if it was like
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: playing its like again, if it's like a hard to control,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: like it's an addiction thing, But.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: I don't that's what I think. That's what she means.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's what she means. No, you don't just
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: says she's not playing that you're a sucubus. That's so
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. If you're a suckubus, that's just how
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: your power sets.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: But even suck youby have the ability to decide when
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: they're gonna use their power not gonna use their power.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Mmm.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well back to her just being a horrible person
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: that I really enjoy and love watching every week. Not
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: to be on her.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, what if her mama sees
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: her like Hitler? You know what I mean, Like, if
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: you had a chance to go kill Hitler, as a baby,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: would you do it?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: And like, I get this.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: Proud She's like, I've killed my share of people. Listen,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: we got this. This episode was too good.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: Let's get the bill. But it's also just opens up
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: so many more questions. And I do want to thank
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: everyone who's been listening, and thank everyone for all the
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: comments that you're leaving in the chat right now in
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: the comments section, because every week I've been reading all
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: of them, and I again thank you for keeping it cute,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: keeping it respectful. I love reading everyone's theories and explanations.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: And again, if you disagree or agree with us, that's fine.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: I don't care. I just want to have the conversation.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: So thank y'all.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Very that's everywhere, Like on the Socials, yes, yeah, on
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: Twitter there was a recent discussion, and then like love
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: seeing when people add up to install or TikTok on them. Yeah,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: on every account, like those.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Are because I still don't and and speaking of just
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: that's the last point I wanted to make on the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Socials from the last episode. I still don't think they
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: passed the last trial. I mean, I guess they did technically,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, when did they pass? Like I don't
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: see whatever.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: It's one of those teachers are trying to get rid
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: of you.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: They're just like yeah, They're like, girls, just go on
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: to the next You try to answer this question for
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: twenty minutes, just going to the next one. Maybe that's
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: what it is. But I don't know, girl, But unless
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: you got something else to mention, because I don't think
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: there was any more like music or anything like that
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: related everything. Basically the last point, the last list, last point.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Everything we saw in this episode, we've been seen. We
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: saw over in every episode. You know, we saw already
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: the people, the things, the themes, the references for Pondi Road,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Alexe one Lane, everything has been there. And that's what
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: it's a lesson that Bet I mean always says the
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: answer will be given to you in the beginning of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: a well written story service already in front of you,
• 1:19:01
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