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Flagging, Queer History, and Being Seen | S14E23 · Live! with Fefe and Freddy

• 0:36
  I don't know. You're not doing the video.
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  Are we not doing the intro? Oh, I oh, I didn't I, I don't
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  know. I'm not here today.
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  I'll go ahead. I'll go ahead and hit that
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  button. While you're waiting.
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  I'm like, what? OK.
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  We're just. We're just gonna.
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  We're just gonna ignore. It's fine.
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  I got you. I got you.
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  Maybe. Maybe it was a good thing that
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  we ignored the intro 'cause that was a little choppy, no?
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  Oh OK, well I think we seem to be OK now, so let's keep our
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  fingers crossed that it stays that.
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  We made for a minute. We may go to your Wednesday
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  anything, I feel like this would be a good thing to broadcast.
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  Just saying we're gonna, you know, if aliens are gonna like,
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  pick something, I guess this is, you know.
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  Look, my, my brain is like, I'm like the, IT, it makes sense for
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  what we're talking about tonight.
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  But also I'm like kind of in, like my brain is on that
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  downward slope to PTO mode. So I'm like, I couldn't like, I,
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  I was like, should I do something more?
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  I'm like, no, I don't want to do anything more elaborate.
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  I'll do something to my face, but it won't be anything very
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  exciting. So.
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  This is what you get. Yay.
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  Oh, thanks. Thanks.
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  At least you get something. OK, I could have, just not.
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  I went for a subtle little bit too.
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  I put a little bit of foundation on and a little bit of a little
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  lash. No, we've talked about trying to
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  match your skin tone, Felicia. We have talked about this.
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  I don't understand. It's.
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  Fine, this is blue, actually, so at least it's opaque and I'm not
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  wearing like, translucent blue or something.
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  Oh, that'll be kind of cute. Anyway, today we have a jam
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  packed show lined up for you. Here's what we're talking about.
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  Freddie has exciting news, and if you're on our.
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  A couple different things. A couple different things too.
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  Yes, if you if you're on our Patreon, you would have heard
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  both things there first. And Michelle, I feel like you
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  And you're like, oh, that happened.
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  And he's shaking his head like, yeah, I need that.
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  So a ballroom for every school. Shady business.
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  Anyway, the queer history of flagging.
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  I always love this lesson, especially when we teach it at
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  sex trivia. I might.
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  Feel like, and it's it's been a minute.
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  I figured we haven't really talked about it like on the show
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  in a while. So I'm like, you know what, it's
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  something kind of lighter. It's not like heavy and super
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  deep and so educational. So, you know, I'm like, let's,
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  let's do that this week. I'll take it.
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  I'll take it. Alright, let's see.
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  Oh, you put a nice question there.
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  A quick question for the chat. What are some subtle ways you
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  indicate that you're queer when out in the normal world?
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  I don't know. I don't really go out to the
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  normal world so. I I mean same also, but I like
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  there's. From the normies.
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  There's like, I guess for me, depending on like where I'm at
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  or whatever. Like I will a lot of times I'll
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  maybe I'll have a pin or something that's not even huge,
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  just something that's kind of there like my trans flag pin or
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  something. I have like the trans flag, the
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  trans symbol tattoo on my arm, which if you're paying
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  attention, you'll if you know what it is, then you'll see it.
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  Sometimes they'll just be like colored clothing, like something
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  that has rainbows on it or something that's like pink and
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  blue that isn't like exactly trans or exactly like gay, but
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  it has kind of queer coating. I think just my existence is the
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  subtleness so. Yeah, I mean, there's that.
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  You can. Honestly, you're you're nail.
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  I think your nails are actually sort of a.
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  Kind of an indicator. I feel like the I feel like the
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  normies are starting to get nails.
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  They are they, yes, but when it comes to like, especially when
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  it comes to like CIS head men, like they'll get their nails
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  nails done, but they'll usually keep them short and like not as
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  fancy, you know what I mean? Whereas yours are longer and
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  have like bling and like they're definitely seen as I think more
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  feminine nails. So I think for you that's
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  actually sort. Of.
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  Kind of flagging in a way. Mm hmm.
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  Well, I think just my whole existence is never gonna tell
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  you. I feel like I have one of those
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  voices that you, you walk into an establishment, you hear my
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  voice and you go, oh, you know, I.
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  Hear the gay I hear. Yeah.
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  You're the gay. Yeah, one of us is here.
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  Oh, right. So put that, put that in the
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  We believe you anyway. Yeah.
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  So how was your weekend? So I don't know my, my, it's
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  been a fairly slow week as far as like stuff I've been doing
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  PT, which isn't really doing much as far as my foot.
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  So I'm, I'm going in for an MRI when we get back from California
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  And I am like, at this point, I am fully prepared to just be
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  like, to just end up with surgery because I think that
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  like they have to do all this shit beforehand, you know,
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  before they're like, OK, I guess we can approve the surgery
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  because now this other shit worked, you know, So I'm just
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  like, whatever. We've been working on the yard a
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  lot. We've trimmed a lot of trees
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  because we had, we're getting bulk trash picked up today.
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  So we had like a big pile of stuff that, you know, we've been
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  out. We're, we're working on setting
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  up new fencing for the pigs. So we're going to kind of keep
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  them enclosed unless we're out there with them so they stop
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  wreaking havoc. They my.
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  Smartphones. Once we get the the fencing up
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  properly, it should be fine. But Rerun has decided that he
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  holds a grudge against my Weber grill.
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  So anytime they're out and about, I will put my Weber
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  grill. I'll just set it up.
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  I will. I will set it even in like a
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  rant, like a surround it with a bunch of stuff.
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  I will go out there and then shit's knocked down like he has
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  decided that this Weber grill is offensive.
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  So he will just he, he tries to beat the shit out of my Weber
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  grill. I just like whatever.
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  So, you know, so we've decided that it's gonna be a great.
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  Like a big space you cook meat on.
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  A he always tries to like get in there when I'm cooking it.
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  So it's like, no, you can't have this, you cannot eat this.
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  But it's gonna be like it's, it's a big space.
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  It's gonna run like where it like from where they are now,
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  but it's going to run all the way down the side of the wall
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  like it's going to be a nice big space.
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  And then when we're out there can keep an eye on them, then
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  they'll be able to come out and and mingle and and hang out and
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  stuff. So so I do have two kind of
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  exciting things that that have happened recently.
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  So the first one if if I've mentioned kind of I know I've
• 15:01
  talked about it more in depth on the Patreon, but I know I've
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  mentioned it on the show itself a couple times that I've been
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  working on trying to get my Canadian citizenship.
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  And I known that I was eligible because my mother was Canadian.
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  She was born, her parents are Canadian.
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  They were born in Canada like that very Canadian, right.
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  So it's been some back and forth and blah, blah, blah, blah,
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  blah. But last week, I think it was
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  Thursday, I got my official certificate of Canadian
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  citizenship. So I officially hold dual
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  citizenship for the US and Canada, which is kind of cool.
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  I'm actually like, I am officially a Canadian.
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  Like I can tell people I am a Canadian and this is silly, but
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  so you know, when you when you get like a certificate for
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  something, you get a certificate for something, right?
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  And it's like the the date of of of when it what's the, the why
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  is my brain so foggy? It's the the date that it
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  starts, the date that like. The affect my date.
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  Thank you. I don't brain fog is real these
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  days, yes. So the effective date, right
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  normally is like, you know, the like the day that they received
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  it or whatever it is, right, the day that they processed it or
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  whatever. So I know it makes sense, but I
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  think that it's actually really cute that the date, the
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  effective date on my citizenship paperwork is backdated 47 years
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  to my birthday. What?
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  Yeah. So that's why.
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  OK, I OK, that makes sense. Right.
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  It makes sense. But I was like, I noticed the
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  detail 'cause I was filling out the application for Canadian
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  passport and they're like, what's the effective date of
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  your your citizenship? But I was like, oh, like it was
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  just I'm just like, Aww, like this is like since birth, like
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  they they so. If your mom had So if your mom
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  had given or done the paperwork, you could have gotten dual
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  citizenship a long time. So if my actually, if my mom had
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  not become a naturalized U.S. citizen after she married my
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  dad, I would have automatically been a Canadian citizen.
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  But because she basically gave up her citizenship to become a
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  naturalized citizen of the United States, it basically made
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  like it kind of cancelled out her Canadian citizenship.
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  But interesting if if my mom had actually hung out in Indonesia
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  while she was still pregnant instead of flying back to the
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  states when she was like 8 1/2 months pregnant.
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  If I had been given birth, if I'd been birthed in in
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  Indonesia, I would have been a naturalized citizen of Indonesia
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  and would have been able to have an Indonesian passport, which
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  would have been really cool. But no, of course not.
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  They're going to fly back to the fucking state stupid.
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  So that was exciting. So I'm now I'm in the process
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  of. Watch those pregnant.
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  It was the 70s. They didn't really give a fuck.
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  It was, you know, you know, this is when smoking was still
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  allowed in planes, you know what I mean?
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  Like they really didn't. Care that's.
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  Awesome, right? And that's when like you have
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  the smoking and non-smoking section was like right next to
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  each other, you know, so stupid. So that was exciting.
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  So now. I get lung.
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  Cancer. Now I'm in the process of of
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  putting together all the stuff that I need for my Canadian
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  passport, which I'm kind of excited to get because with all
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  the shit going on with the US passport, when I go to renew my
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  passport after the summer, if they fuck it up and they send it
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  back with the wrong gender, I will have my Canadian passport
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  as a backup. So that's really cool.
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  So and so kind of tying into that, I will actually be in
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  Canada this summer. So I'll be able to mail
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  everything that I need for my Canadian passport from Canada,
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  which will make things much cheaper.
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  And the reason that I'm going to be in Canada this summer is I
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  can finally announce that I'm going to be performing at Thrust
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  Fest, which is an all king drag festival.
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  Thank you, thank you. And if you remember when we had
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  Riley Poppy, Riley Poppy Seat on with us as a guest?
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  He talked about he talked about it.
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  He's one of the the producers. So I am super excited.
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  I'm gonna be flying to Toronto in July, the weekend after my
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  birthday, and I am now having a complete psychological meltdown
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  trying to figure out what the fuck it is I'm going to perform.
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  But that's fine. So there's my super exciting
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  news for the last like little while.
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  But if you're on our Patreon, you would have heard it there
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  first. Just saying.
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  But since you don't subscribe, you get to know that.
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  How was your weekend? What have I been doing?
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  Absolutely nothing. I think it's funny that we were
• 20:45
  both doing yard work, but I did it out of I got tired of looking
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  at the backyard and we're starting to have like this
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  problem with flies. Oh, we I was wondering where the
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  flies were coming from. They're everywhere.
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  Right. And so.
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  Everywhere. We had to put fly bags up all
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  over the place 'cause even with a clean yard, they're
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  everywhere. So well, I discovered that the
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  orange tree is not good fruit. But anyhow, but it's dropping
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  it's bad fruit in the yard and then it just kind of sits and
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  gets the nasties and it so gross.
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  So I have to figure out how so I I just one day was like I got
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  this like little chainsaw that you can get them on Amazon and
• 21:45
  elf send you the link if you. Want we have, we have one.
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  It's really cool and it's extendable too.
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  And. It's like it does wonders.
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  I thought, oh, this little yeah. And so it does amazing, except
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  for it got caught in this very orange tree that maybe I should
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  I should hire somebody the next time I decide to be so brave
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  because it was top heavy. And so as it's like falling, I'm
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  like, I don't think that's falling in the direction I want
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  it. To.
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  It's it's falling into the neighbor behind us, it's falling
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  into the neighbor on the side. And then so that was Saturday
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  and I left it 'cause it was just sitting on.
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  The Wall. Yeah, just sitting there.
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  And then so Sunday morning that one of the neighbors comes by
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  and it's the neighbor behind us and he's like, I don't know if
• 22:47
  you guys know. And I'm like, yeah, I, I do
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  know. I'm the one trimming it.
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  And did I trim it too far? I think so, because I didn't
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  leave any branches with fruit on them, which I heard is what
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  you're supposed to do. You're supposed to leave like 1
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  branch that is like a surviving member.
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  Oops. So if it dies, then I'll just
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  take the fall for that and chop it lower.
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  But anyhow, sorry landlord. Oops.
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  But then so on Sunday, I started chopping it with this little
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  thing, but it was getting a little too thick.
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  And so then my neighbor comes out as like, do you want to
• 23:35
  like, you know, like a saw? And I'm like, yeah, just like a
• 23:42
  that can cut through. And so as I finish cutting it,
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  Oh yeah, the thumbs. Uh huh.
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  As I finish cutting it, it falls into the neighbor's yard who has
• 23:55
  a pool. Whoops.
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  How the hell does anybody in that neighborhood?
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  Have a His family is there. Backyard like how does anybody
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  have a pool I think. Well, I'm the only one that
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  doesn't, so if you take out like so, I feel like we got gypped.
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  Yeah, we don't say gypped. I feel like there's more house
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  where their pool is, whatever the word may be.
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  We have more house, they have more pool where their house sits
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  up on the on the in the land a little closer to the street.
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  I think interesting because I'm like if you're like if your
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  neighbors yards or anything like yours, it's like they have a
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  pool smaller than our like. Also I think that they don't
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  have like from what I can see since I was on the ladder it
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  look like they don't have pools. Like there's not like Olympic
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  sized. Right.
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  It's like a little like, like little.
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  Yeah, you do like a little tiny lap and yeah, you don't, you
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  don't have pool parties. You.
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  Can fit like one person in there.
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  All right, Whose turn is it to get the pool today?
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  So that was my weekend. I just slightly regret it 'cause
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  now I have to figure out how to get it all to the street.
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  Also, since my backyard is so tiny, it's full of tree branches
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  all over the place. There I go, being ambitious and
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  not thinking the plan all the way through.
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  We had to we had to haul all the like branches from the lemon
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  tree because we trimmed that like down and we had like all
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  the, the green on our driveway, like the, the the bushes are
• 25:57
  right there like that all got trimmed down.
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  So we're like moving that. I had to get these stupid.
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  We finally decided that we have two dead plants in the front
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  yard, that we were like, you know what?
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  We're getting rid of this shit. We are going to dig this fucker
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  up. Oh my God.
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  One of them was an absolute beast.
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  This stupid thing had a crazy root system and it was all like
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  entwined in, like the, the, the thing that you put down to
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  minimize the weeds, you know, like the thing, like it was like
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  I, we had to soak it with water. Like we're sitting there soaking
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  it. I had to get in there.
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  I broke the shovel trying to dig this fucker out.
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  Like it was insane. Yeah, it was nuts.
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  It was nuts. So, yeah, we finally got that
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  up, though. I, like, I busted that thing out
• 26:46
  and I held it up like it was the fucking Gorgon's head.
• 26:49
  I was like, yeah, like, ah, man. Yeah.
• 26:56
  So I am not excited about the cleanup part, but if anybody is
• 27:01
  interested in cleaning up my yard for a decent price.
• 27:04
  But somebody said that I should call the city and get additional
• 27:09
  bulk pickup because the amount that I cut is way bigger than
• 27:13
  the amount of space that I'm supposed to take up on the
• 27:15
  street. Yeah, probably a good idea
• 27:19
  because now like I don't know with you guys, but for us we
• 27:21
  have to like Collins like we don't have standard like they
• 27:25
  used to have like bulk pickup is on this day or whatever.
• 27:28
  We don't they don't do that anymore up here.
• 27:29
  So now we have to call and. Schedule, we have a bulk pickup.
• 27:32
  Day. Yeah, we have to call and
• 27:33
  schedule bulk pickup. That's dumb, but it's fine.
• 27:38
  We got all of our shit situated. My thing is like in like we're
• 27:42
  putting up, we're putting up all the fencing and stuff.
• 27:44
  And my whole thing is, you know what happened to like a good old
• 27:46
  fashioned like barn raising or like your community would come
• 27:49
  out and help you build shit or whatever.
• 27:52
  I'm like, why don't we have a community coming out and helping
• 27:54
  us put these fucking fences in? Because.
• 27:56
  I cannot complain because I also when I was trying to lift the
• 28:02
  branches from over the wall, one of my neighbors came out and
• 28:06
  helped me. So my neighbors helped me with a
• 28:08
  chainsaw. They helped me get some of the
• 28:12
  tree back into my yard, which if they would have just left it in
• 28:15
  theirs and wanted to throw it out, that would have been even
• 28:17
  better. I'm just kidding.
• 28:21
  And at one point the neighbor's dad came out and like, trimmed
• 28:27
  the tree piece that fell into their yard and threw it back
• 28:32
  over so that I wouldn't have to like, go.
• 28:34
  And I felt like really weird, like trying to go chop something
• 28:38
  up in their yard. Well, that was nice.
• 28:40
  Anyway, I was like, oh, do you want to come clean us up,
• 28:45
  please? But yeah, so glad that it's I
• 28:51
  don't have to look at it anymore.
• 28:53
  But I'm so sorry that I probably kills like.
• 29:01
  Oops. Hey, Brandon.
• 29:03
  Thank you. But I don't think our landlord
• 29:05
  watches our podcast, so. So that's fine.
• 29:11
  That's fine. Oh, I didn't put the chat on the
• 29:16
  wall. The Wall.
• 29:17
  Whatever on the thing, that's all right, all right.
• 29:20
  Should we? Should we do the?
• 29:23
  Should we do the thing? We do the thing thing.
• 29:25
  Let's do the thing. Okey dokey.
• 29:43
  So like I said earlier, like today, I just wanted to do
• 29:47
  something a little like a little bit lighter, but still like
• 29:51
  informational when it comes to our, you know, the, the tip
• 29:55
  tonight and something we haven't talked about in a hot minute.
• 29:58
  So we're gonna talk about the history of flagging and the
• 30:03
  hanky code, which we've talked about before.
• 30:07
  I think we've talked more about the hanky code than we have
• 30:09
  about the history of flagging. So, but we have talked about the
• 30:12
  history of flagging and sex trivia.
• 30:13
  So, you know, so I figured, you know, we'll combine the two and
• 30:17
  we'll, we'll talk a little. Bit.
• 30:19
  About stuff. And you know, 'cause I mean, I'm
• 30:22
  gonna talk a little bit about flagging in general in what it
• 30:26
  kind of means for, you know, in the in queer communities.
• 30:29
  So in basic terms, flagging is basically a way to communicate
• 30:35
  identities, desires, sexual preferences, whatever, through
• 30:40
  visual cues, coded language and shared symbols.
• 30:44
  And while it's most often associated with the queer
• 30:47
  community, other communities flag, though they may not even
• 30:50
  call it that or even realize that's what they're doing.
• 30:55
  So if you think about it, oh, for sure, even the most.
• 31:02
  So first thing that most people are probably gonna think of is
• 31:06
  if you think about different gangs, whether you're in prison
• 31:12
  or out of prison, there's tattoos that will indicate your
• 31:16
  affiliation, right? Different colors, right?
• 31:20
  Motorcycle, motorcycle clubs will wear, you know, vests and
• 31:26
  jackets with different patches and things on it, which mean
• 31:30
  different things depending on what you're doing.
• 31:34
  Even in the, in the broader sense, even military like medals
• 31:40
  and things like that are, are kind of a sense of, of, of, of
• 31:43
  flagging because they let you know what this person has done,
• 31:48
  what you know, what their, their military history, what their
• 31:51
  military career, whatever has, you know, has been like.
• 31:54
  So flagging is everywhere and all it really is, is a way to
• 32:01
  let other people who maybe have similar interests or may have a,
• 32:09
  you know, the same sort of identity as you do that.
• 32:12
  Hey, I'm one of you, yes. I have and this may not be
• 32:20
  considered down to the definition as flagging.
• 32:24
  I watched a a remarkable video, like 4 minute video about how
• 32:29
  the Stanley Cup, not the cup that is for hockey, but the
• 32:34
  Stanley. Right, Yeah, the the drinking
• 32:36
  and then the yes. Has become a like a social
• 32:41
  symbol or a city and that could be considered.
• 32:47
  That's kind of a form of flagging.
• 32:49
  It's like, oh, oh, I see you. You spent, you know, a
• 32:53
  ridiculous amount of money on your stupid water bottle.
• 32:57
  You must be, you know, you must be high class, you know, But
• 33:05
  yes, no, that's, that's, that's totally like a, a form of
• 33:09
  flagging. So flagging in the queer
• 33:12
  community sort of became a thing way back, way, way back when,
• 33:18
  you know, being gay was illegal and folks needed a discreet way
• 33:23
  to communicate what they wanted because saying it out loud
• 33:27
  wasn't always safe or possible or even welcome, you know, So
• 33:32
  how else are you going to try and find your people?
• 33:35
  And sort of just an aside right here.
• 33:38
  We always hear the, you know, why do we need labels?
• 33:41
  We're all just human, right? Labels help you find community.
• 33:46
  So when we're talking about labels and identities, it if you
• 33:54
  don't, you know, and it, and it can be any, any label, you know,
• 33:58
  but labels help you find community.
• 34:01
  And if you're not in a place where you're able to wear a
• 34:03
  shirt that says, Hey, I'm queer and proud, how are you going to
• 34:07
  let other people know that you're queer, you're safe, you
• 34:11
  know, whatever, like you, there's, you know, so you have
• 34:14
  to be able to find ways to do that.
• 34:17
  The idea of the hanky code is usually associated with gay men
• 34:23
  in the 70s and 80s, but flagging has been a thing for a lot
• 34:26
  longer than that. And flagging isn't just like
• 34:31
  necessarily like a, you know, a, a, an accessory or a piece of
• 34:34
  clothing or whatever. It's language.
• 34:36
  It's, you know, all different, different things that it's like
• 34:42
  little secret things that only you and the other person would
• 34:46
  know. You know what I mean?
• 34:47
  Like it's like it's a kind of a the the gay men in the UK came
• 34:54
  up with their own secret language called Polari.
• 34:57
  It was a mash up of English, Italian, Romani, back slang and
• 35:03
  theatrical slang. And there are words that we use
• 35:09
  regularly today that are kind of credited with coming from that
• 35:17
  Polari language. Camp is one of them.
• 35:23
  Butch is another one. Cottaging, which is basically
• 35:29
  British slang for this, is actually part of sex trivia.
• 35:32
  It is British slang for like cruising sex in like public
• 35:38
  places. And Zhuge, you know, when you
• 35:41
  say I'm gonna zhuge like you're like, oh, this, this, this thing
• 35:46
  here needs a little bit of Zhujing, you know, to kind of
• 35:48
  like make it fancier to kind of elevate it to, you know, I'm
• 35:52
  gonna, I'm gonna zhuge. Just let me just zhuge your hair
• 35:54
  real quick. Let me just you know what I
• 35:55
  mean. That comes from Polari.
• 36:00
  They would often refer to people, places or things as she,
• 36:06
  and they called it Sheing. So you all over the place.
• 36:12
  It was so you, if you were talking about whatever it was,
• 36:17
  Oh well, you know, that she, this, she that.
• 36:20
  So if you're a gay man, nobody's going to think twice if you're
• 36:22
  talking about a woman, right? So you're referring to things as
• 36:26
  she and queer coded language is seen all over the world, like
• 36:33
  different international communities have their own sort
• 36:36
  of version of this. In the Philippines it's called
• 36:41
  Swartzspeak and it's like Tagalog, English, you know,
• 36:50
  current terms, current things. I'm gonna, I may butcher this
• 36:54
  and I'm, I apologize. In South Africa, there's two
• 37:02
  sort of queer coded languages, one called GAIL, one called Isni
• 37:07
  Cuomo, and I'm sorry if I fucked that up.
• 37:11
  And then in Indonesia, Bahasa Binan is another one.
• 37:16
  So in all of these different parts of the world, different
• 37:22
  communities had to be able to come up with languages and words
• 37:27
  and things that if sound like sort of normal conversation.
• 37:33
  But if you know what to listen for, you'll pick up on the
• 37:37
  little clues that people are throwing down.
• 37:40
  And you can be like, OK, these are my people.
• 37:43
  Yeah, in Victorian England and OK, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna
• 37:50
  say this right now. I'm not going into like a super
• 37:52
  deep dive into like the history of all of this.
• 37:55
  There's so much more. I'm I'm touching on some of the
• 37:58
  key like elements that have led into certain things for today.
• 38:04
  I'm not there is so, Oh my God, there's so much, There's so
• 38:08
  much. I it would take up an entire
• 38:10
  show if I wanted to go into the whole thing.
• 38:13
  In, in Victorian England, Oscar Wilde encouraged folks that were
• 38:19
  come to his plays that were in the know to wear green
• 38:23
  carnations in their lapels. So if you went to go see an
• 38:28
  Oscar Wilde play and you saw a gentleman or even potentially a
• 38:34
  woman in masculine clothing wearing a green carnation in
• 38:39
  their lapel, then you would know.
• 38:41
  Oh, OK, got it, Got it. Even further back than that, the
• 38:47
  ancient Greek poet Sappho wrote about women adorned with
• 38:52
  flowers, violets woven into crowns, establishing like purple
• 38:58
  flowers as symbols of intimacy long before modern queer
• 39:02
  language existed. And over the years, lavender and
• 39:07
  purple kept resurfacing as recurring themes in literature
• 39:12
  and culture. Some examples are the character
• 39:16
  Violet Venable in Suddenly last Summer by Tennessee Williams,
• 39:20
  The Color Purple. The character Violet inbound
• 39:27
  like the there's you know, and then of course we have what end
• 39:31
  up being like the Lavender Menace and all this stuff, but
• 39:34
  lavender and purple. Oh, is that why they didn't like
• 39:37
  lavender weddings? Yes.
• 39:41
  So a lavender wedding for people that don't know, a lavender
• 39:44
  wedding are when a gay man and a lesbian get married in what
• 39:49
  looks like a heterosexual marriage, but they're not 'cause
• 39:52
  they're both gay. It's called the lavender
• 39:54
  wedding. Lavender marriage.
• 40:00
  No. What's going on there?
• 40:01
  And when it comes to sort of the modern, what we think of as as
• 40:07
  flagging these days, it tends to sort of be seen as mostly gay
• 40:13
  men who are into kink and leather.
• 40:15
  But they're not the only people that flag.
• 40:17
  Lesbian flagging has existed for decades, even before the Kanki
• 40:22
  code became a thing. Back in the 1920s, a monocle
• 40:28
  became like the accessory for lesbians.
• 40:34
  So if you were out, you could wear a monocle and that would
• 40:38
  sort of be like a clue for other women who enjoyed women.
• 40:42
  You know, in the in the 1940s, it was believed that a gold
• 40:50
  pinky ring on the left hand was another way to kind of indicate
• 40:54
  that, you know, you like the women.
• 40:58
  During the Harlem Renaissance, which we've talked about before
• 41:01
  when talking about black queer history, black lesbian dandies
• 41:05
  were able to dress in men's clothing, often tuxedos, finely
• 41:09
  tailored suits. And you think of of like Gladys
• 41:14
  Bentley before the McCarthy era. And she basically renounced
• 41:19
  lesbianism and married a man and, and all weird, but that was
• 41:25
  kind of that was a a thing as well.
• 41:28
  Like you're able to, if you're able to wear like men's
• 41:30
  clothing, tailored suits, things like that.
• 41:33
  During World War Two, it became common for working class
• 41:37
  lesbians because if you remember during World War 2, all the men
• 41:42
  were off fighting, right? So they brought the women, the
• 41:46
  working class women, into the factories, right?
• 41:49
  So working class lesbians would wear keys on their pants.
• 41:55
  So instead of like having their keys in their pocket or in their
• 41:57
  purse or in a bag, they would hook their keys to their pants,
• 42:03
  which would indicate to other lesbians.
• 42:07
  Lesbians were also known to tattoo the nautical star on
• 42:10
  their wrist because it could be hidden under a watch if needed.
• 42:16
  But if you're not wearing a watch, you know what to look
• 42:17
  for. You saw the nautical star, it
• 42:19
  was like. But again, the hanky code is
• 42:25
  probably the most well known concept of queer flagging it as
• 42:34
  of it's it's commonly thought it's recognized today that it's
• 42:39
  believed to go back to about the it's the 1972 book The
• 42:43
  Leatherman's Handbook by Larry Townsend, but there's some
• 42:48
  debate on that. But this book helps sort of
• 42:54
  circulate the language of coded cues based on the color of the
• 42:57
  hanky you wore and where you wore it.
• 42:59
  However, there is some speculation that using like
• 43:05
  hankies or bandanas to indicate tops, bottoms, whatever may
• 43:09
  actually date back to the gold rush era in San Francisco.
• 43:14
  Because in these mining towns and in these these sort of
• 43:18
  remote like little areas and stuff, women were often really
• 43:25
  scarce. So prospectors would often dance
• 43:30
  with each other and would use hankies to indicate whether they
• 43:33
  were leads or follows. So that that may or may not.
• 43:44
  Just like I said there, there's, there's some speculation on
• 43:48
  that. There's, it's, it's hard to find
• 43:50
  sort of concrete proof on that. But there's like there's, there
• 43:56
  is evidence that men would dance with men and you'd have to
• 44:00
  somehow indicate whether you were a leader or a follow up,
• 44:02
  but you were. Doing more than just like.
• 44:05
  I mean, is that with the hanky code, different cities adapted
• 44:11
  variations. So like the West Coast was
• 44:13
  slightly different than the East Coast, colors may not always
• 44:19
  match another city's code. And if I remember correctly on
• 44:25
  the West Coast for a while, it's it's a little more generalized
• 44:32
  now. So I think most of it is common
• 44:35
  across the States, right. But I think for a while there on
• 44:41
  the West Coast, flagging on the left indicated a top flag on the
• 44:47
  right indicated a bottom where it was as the opposite, I
• 44:50
  believe on the East Coast, where flagging on the right indicated
• 44:52
  a top, flagging on the left indicated a bottom.
• 44:56
  But in especially in in bigger cities, printed guides would
• 45:02
  often be available in queer bookstores and bars, sex shops,
• 45:06
  things like that. So you'd be able to go if you
• 45:08
  were visiting and you were familiar with the hanky code,
• 45:12
  you could go and actually pick up a little like printed guide
• 45:15
  that would tell you, you know, OK, here, this is what we're
• 45:18
  looking at. These are the, you know, the
• 45:19
  colors and where you flag them, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 45:22
  So you wouldn't be going in blind and it wouldn't be like,
• 45:26
  you know, so you'd, you'd, you'd have some help.
• 45:30
  Lesbians didn't really start using the hanky code until the
• 45:35
  late 70s. And the colors didn't always
• 45:38
  mean the same thing as they did in sort of male centric circles.
• 45:42
  In 1984, the magazine On Our Backs was published an adapted
• 45:48
  guide for lesbians. And the, the, some of the colors
• 45:52
  included things like, right, colors indicated things for
• 45:57
  like, you know, is menstruating because that's kind of a handy
• 46:00
  thing to have to know, right, if you're trying to hook up with
• 46:03
  somebody. And maybe they're, they're on
• 46:05
  the rag and they're like, no, thank you.
• 46:07
  And like breast fondler, which would be things that are more
• 46:10
  geared towards women as opposed to gay men.
• 46:13
  And then of course, to help out, they're lesbians.
• 46:17
  The magazine also sold the hankies in all 18 colors.
• 46:20
  You could order them by mail order.
• 46:24
  So yeah, now, well now you can get like a whole pack of them
• 46:30
  for like 20. Right.
• 46:31
  You can go to the dollar store and get a whole shit ton.
• 46:35
  All different. Colors now some of the more
• 46:38
  common colors as recognized today, 'cause there's there's
• 46:42
  all sorts of things there's like lace and patterns and all sorts
• 46:47
  of like it gets, it gets complicated and I cannot
• 46:51
  memorize all of them. Like there's no way they're I
• 46:54
  there's there's. What is lace?
• 46:57
  It depends on the lace. There's like there's it, it,
• 47:00
  there's yeah, I, I, I cannot keep track of it.
• 47:04
  It's, it's too much for me. So.
• 47:06
  But some of the more common, commonly known, commonly
• 47:09
  recognized flagging colors are black, which is heavy BDSM Gray,
• 47:16
  which is like light bondage, light blue, which is forgiving
• 47:22
  head Navy blue, which is penetrative sex.
• 47:27
  So if you're, if you're flagging Navy blue on the left, then
• 47:31
  you're like you're the, the, you're the top.
• 47:36
  You know what I mean? Like if you're Navy blue on the
• 47:39
  right, then you're a bottom. When it comes to penetrative
• 47:41
  sex, red is fisting, orange is anything goes.
• 47:49
  So if you're flagging orange, be mindful because orange is
• 47:54
  anything goes. And sometimes you think it's
• 47:58
  anything, but it's not anything like you.
• 48:00
  So just if you're flagging orange, just be mindful of that.
• 48:06
  Yellow is water sports, green is like daddies and boys.
• 48:12
  Light pink is dildos, houndstooth is pup play, brown
• 48:17
  is scat, white is jacking off, and teal which is pretty close
• 48:23
  to turquoise Brandon, but teal is CBT or cock and ball torture.
• 48:31
  That sounds like something they would be into.
• 48:33
  Sounds right. But just as just as a reminder
• 48:37
  with folks, if you are in a space where whether you're, you
• 48:41
  know, you're at a, a kink event or whether you're at a leather
• 48:44
  event and people are flagging, flagging is not indicative of
• 48:48
  consent. So just because somebody is
• 48:51
  flagging something doesn't mean that you have blanket consent to
• 48:57
  do XYZ because. They are flagging people assume.
• 49:02
  People assume a lot of things. People assume a lot of things.
• 49:07
  What? So, but even even like now with
• 49:12
  the invention of we have the Internet, we have dating apps,
• 49:15
  flagging still happens in both subtle and not so subtle ways.
• 49:20
  In leather bars you can still see the hanky code in full
• 49:23
  effect. But even in like vanilla spaces,
• 49:26
  flagging happens in subtle ways to indicate your safe space, to
• 49:30
  indicate solidarity, etcetera, strategically placed like
• 49:34
  rainbows, pins, flags, etcetera. And I, I actually think that
• 49:42
  that flagging queer right now in any way, whether it's, you know,
• 49:48
  wearing clothes that, you know, have a rainbow or putting, you
• 49:53
  know, rainbows up in your office or something that's even a
• 49:56
  subtle like nudge, nudge, wink, wink kind of thing.
• 50:01
  I actually think that's really important right now.
• 50:02
  Like you wouldn't think about it because it's 2026 and you know,
• 50:06
  why do we need to be, you know, we, we're not, we know it's not
• 50:11
  illegal yet, but with all. The sort of during Patreon,
• 50:17
  because yeah, 'cause. Yeah, so subscribe to the
• 50:24
  Patreon, but with all the like the the anti LGBTQ plus and anti
• 50:30
  trans sentiments out there, with all the anti trans legislation,
• 50:33
  I think that it's important for people to see that they're not
• 50:38
  alone. And like, even like we're, we're
• 50:42
  going to Disneyland like next week.
• 50:43
  And I have, we actually both have Disney pins that are
• 50:50
  totally queer coated. Like I have a, we both have like
• 50:53
  the Millennium Falcon that is rainbow.
• 50:56
  I have the Mickey ears pin that is of the trans flag.
• 51:01
  One of the Disney bounds that we're doing isn't like the
• 51:05
  backpacks, the lounge fly backpacks aren't technically
• 51:10
  queer, but they're totally queer 'cause like I have the macaron
• 51:17
  Disney Eats backpack and it's totally pink, white and blue.
• 51:20
  And my partner has the, the shaved ice and it's pink, yellow
• 51:28
  and blue, which are the pan flag colors.
• 51:30
  So it's like we're, we're, we're totally like we're, and we're
• 51:33
  leaning into the queerness. So you know that when you think
• 51:39
  about it, like how do you flag? Like there is all sorts of
• 51:42
  different things that we do sometimes even subconsciously to
• 51:48
  kind of let people know that we are safe.
• 51:53
  And we are, you know, we're queer and we are part of the
• 51:57
  community. And because some of us pass in
• 52:00
  very large quotation marks, some of us pass as straight as ISIS,
• 52:10
  as, you know, whatever. So it's harder to just sort of
• 52:14
  clock somebody as belonging to a certain community.
• 52:17
  So I think that, you know, I think a lot of a lot of people
• 52:22
  are sort of flagging their identities now in public to just
• 52:28
  kind of let other people know that, you know, you're not alone
• 52:34
  in this. I feel that.
• 52:40
  I feel like right now the younger generation is not all
• 52:47
  but I feel like most are just free to fly from what I can see.
• 52:55
  They they come out sooner, they come out swinging basically.
• 53:01
  I mean, compared to when, like, you and I were, you know,
• 53:04
  younger and like, in high school and stuff, Like for sure, for
• 53:07
  sure, for sure. But I still think it's
• 53:11
  definitely a safe space, especially when folks find out
• 53:19
  that somebody of the community is near or in their space that
• 53:27
  it, it just makes things better. Even if you are confident and
• 53:33
  living in your truth already, but it definitely helps folks be
• 53:40
  like you. I can trust you, right?
• 53:44
  At least from first sight. I can, but I don't know.
• 53:51
  Yeah, I haven't thought of. I definitely thought of this.
• 53:58
  There are like this definitely is queer quote.
• 54:02
  It's so sparkly. It's sparkly, Yeah.
• 54:04
  Between that and your nails, like, you know, that's
• 54:07
  everything. And my.
• 54:08
  Nails. Yeah, I just walk around just
• 54:11
  being queer as hell. What was I going to say?
• 54:16
  Oh damn, I bet symbols stamp. Let's go to something less
• 54:23
  graceful. So fair warning, I keep testing.
• 54:52
  That's why I keep leaning over is I keep testing the Internet.
• 54:55
  It keeps going between fair and hard to read or something etc.
• 55:00
  So if I disappear at any point, it's a bombast day to lose the
• 55:07
  Internet anyway. So instantly I know that we
• 55:14
  talked about last week that we are against AI, but instantly
• 55:22
  this is where the joke of the night became the president who
• 55:29
  cried assassination. And I saw so many AI renderings
• 55:36
  of like the boy who cried wolf. I could not stop laughing.
• 55:46
  For those that say I don't have compassion, I do have compassion
• 55:51
  and I never wish ill will on anyone.
• 55:55
  But for those there's a. I'm, I'm gonna be straight up,
• 55:58
  there's a couple of people completely.
• 56:00
  There's a couple of people that I totally wish ill will on and
• 56:03
  that's fine because they deserve it just.
• 56:09
  Give me. Another assassination attempt
• 56:17
  happened, but this time. Assassination attempt.
• 56:25
  Yeah, Yeah. This one didn't play out as
• 56:27
  theatric as I would like. They didn't rehearse again.
• 56:30
  I can. Tell my favorite was was twitler
• 56:34
  falling down as they like was trying to get him out and then
• 56:37
  he was like no, no, no, I didn't fall.
• 56:40
  They told me to get close to the ground.
• 56:50
  Yeah, about that's great. No I so this attempt turned I
• 57:02
  need to spend 400 billion on a ballroom with a top secret
• 57:08
  bunker. Remember this?
• 57:10
  Remember this my my, my other favorite thing is that he keeps
• 57:13
  talking about the top secret bunker.
• 57:15
  Stop talking if it's top secret, stop talking about it, you dumb
• 57:20
  fuck Yeah, we're building this like super top secret bunker.
• 57:24
  No, no, no, you, you understand that as soon as you.
• 57:27
  Talk about it. It's not secret.
• 57:32
  I I I wouldn't even know about it if you just stopped talking
• 57:36
  about it. So fucking stupid.
• 57:40
  So fucking stupid. Yeah, and even though hundreds,
• 57:46
  hundreds of kids have been killed by gun violence with no
• 57:50
  protections put in place to minimize that, maybe we should
• 57:55
  build ballrooms at every school, since that's obviously what
• 58:00
  tears shooters. I think that's.
• 58:03
  Fair. I mean, I my, I there was, if
• 58:12
  you, if you watch, there are no words.
• 58:18
  The idiocy that goes into this shit.
• 58:22
  Like it wasn't even like good acting because it was an
• 58:25
  immediate. Like it was an immediate, Oh,
• 58:29
  we're going to do. A press conference like 30
• 58:30
  seconds afterwards and then. Who ditched his wife?
• 58:36
  Like they all just like, ditched their wives.
• 58:37
  It was like and. Oh, oh, oh, oh.
• 58:43
  So again, with politics, I don't know if you saw that King
• 58:48
  Charles was visiting recently. Yes, you saw that that was he
• 58:52
  was here this week. He spoke in front of Congress
• 58:56
  and I fucking love this because when he spoke in front of
• 59:01
  Congress, mind you, he is a king, right?
• 59:06
  King Charles is he's he's a king, right?
• 59:09
  So he denounced kings. He was like, there really
• 59:15
  shouldn't be any kings, which is kind of hypocritical, but it's
• 59:17
  fine. And he said there has to be
• 59:20
  checks and balances. He right, he praised NATO and
• 59:27
  talked about how NATO, you know, came to, you know, fight in
• 59:33
  Afghanistan and La La La La La La La La, all of these things
• 59:36
  basically with a big fuck you to twitler in Congress and and like
• 59:45
  the Democrats were all like they stood up and then you see the
• 59:48
  Republicans kind of going. They were with it.
• 59:56
  Like he he cited the Magna Carta like there, you can't have like
• 1:00:00
  complete power. There's no such thing outside
• 1:00:04
  the touching branches going through.
• 1:00:07
  Like it was it my some of the videos from this visit I'm like,
• 1:00:17
  I don't. Like there was when, when he
• 1:00:22
  first arrives at like the White House and all the, the, the
• 1:00:26
  White House staff line up to greet Charles and Camilla,
• 1:00:31
  right? And Camilla goes and starts
• 1:00:34
  shaking hands. Charles starts shaking hands and
• 1:00:38
  then fucking twitler like cuts in front of them and then shakes
• 1:00:40
  everybody's hands. And you see Charles just kind of
• 1:00:42
  step back and be like, and then Twitler moves around and like,
• 1:00:49
  shuffles him off. And I'm like, why are you
• 1:00:51
  shaking hands with your staff? They don't give a fuck about
• 1:00:53
  you. They're trying to shake hands
• 1:00:54
  with so fucking stupid. 'Cause he wants to be a king.
• 1:01:02
  It's so. Like every time I say that I
• 1:01:04
  think of the the Simba song that says I'm going to be a king.
• 1:01:10
  I just want to be king. I can't wait to be king good for
• 1:01:14
  you. Oh my God, Gabe and then so Gabe
• 1:01:17
  is is I just want to go home that.
• 1:01:23
  Would be Erica Kirk. What was that?
• 1:01:25
  Erica Kirk walking by, no tears, just like Oh my God, I just want
• 1:01:30
  to go home. It's like, oh, you're gonna go
• 1:01:33
  on your next I need Money tour. Aren't you she?
• 1:01:36
  Probably is. That's the thing, right?
• 1:01:38
  I was a victim. Grifter's gonna grift.
• 1:01:43
  And then this dude who literally was just like, yeah, it was
• 1:01:51
  crazy. Sat there, solve the whole
• 1:01:55
  thing. And the fact that.
• 1:01:58
  Apparently. Right at this just I mean like
• 1:02:02
  whatever and the fact that this guy managed to get through like
• 1:02:07
  multiple layers of security with like all of these weapons and
• 1:02:11
  things, it's like so. OK, when you're at the when
• 1:02:19
  you're at the White House, they have like security like
• 1:02:24
  basically lined up at the fence, right?
• 1:02:27
  It's not you can't like just hop over the fence.
• 1:02:32
  So he couldn't have just. All of this shit is fucking
• 1:02:38
  staged. All of this shit is staged, all
• 1:02:41
  of it. And it's all because Twitler
• 1:02:42
  wants his fucking ballroom. Like there all of it.
• 1:02:47
  It's all bullshit, all of it. That's crazy.
• 1:02:51
  And people are buying into it. And then the Republicans are
• 1:02:53
  posting like what Democrats have ever been like, you know, shot
• 1:02:58
  at or assassinated or whatever. And it's like, you know, Obama
• 1:03:03
  was had multiple assassination attempts, Hillary Clinton had
• 1:03:07
  multiple assassination attempts. And did you forget about the
• 1:03:10
  Democratic senator that was literally murdered in her house?
• 1:03:18
  Are we just we're gonna ignore this, OK?
• 1:03:21
  No, because. Yes, you're right, Republicans
• 1:03:23
  are the only ones that ever attempt to get killed.
• 1:03:26
  Damsel in distress. I am damsel.
• 1:03:31
  In distress, I'm like y'all, y'all the stress.
• 1:03:35
  What drives me nuts is these people believe this shit that
• 1:03:38
  comes out of their. Mouth and absolutely I'm like
• 1:03:44
  and you know people that's the crazy part is you know people
• 1:03:48
  that actually do. Right.
• 1:03:52
  And that's the other thing I'm like, and there's like literally
• 1:03:55
  like not in the like, oh, you know that, you know, you know
• 1:03:57
  those people. It's like, no, you know, those
• 1:04:00
  people who are buying into this and like every time somebody
• 1:04:07
  says something about it, I I'm just like you.
• 1:04:12
  Or they like stand by him and they have some ridiculous excuse
• 1:04:17
  on no, no, he he did not. He didn't do this that and the
• 1:04:22
  other. Do you ever watch?
• 1:04:26
  Do you ever watch the videos on? They show up on like different
• 1:04:30
  reels and stuff. The guys are called the Good
• 1:04:33
  Liars. There's like a taller, skinnier
• 1:04:35
  guy and a shorter, little heavier set guy.
• 1:04:37
  And they go to like Trump rallies and they interview.
• 1:04:40
  But now that she said the algorithm.
• 1:04:42
  Now that I said that, they're gonna be all over the place, but
• 1:04:46
  they're hysterical because they go to, they go to Trump rallies
• 1:04:50
  and they interview people and they do it completely like
• 1:04:53
  straight face, like they're interviewing, you know, they're
• 1:04:54
  like, well. You know what about?
• 1:04:56
  I've seen these and they ask like trivia questions.
• 1:05:00
  And not even necessarily trivia questions, they're just like,
• 1:05:02
  OK, so so you don't think that like that gun control is is a
• 1:05:08
  good thing? And someone's like, no, it's not
• 1:05:11
  the guns. It's the people that, you know,
• 1:05:12
  shoot the guns. OK, so then to minimize the
• 1:05:15
  people that, you know, the idiots that get their hands on
• 1:05:20
  guns and gun control is a you know, well, well, well, do you
• 1:05:25
  know how to drive? Yes, I know how to drive.
• 1:05:27
  Well, it's not like you need a license to drive a car.
• 1:05:29
  Actually, you, you do you, you the things that these people
• 1:05:33
  say, you're like, OK, you're a dumbass.
• 1:05:42
  Like they'll say something like, you know, they'll, they'll quote
• 1:05:46
  twitler, but say it's Biden or whatever.
• 1:05:50
  And you know, and they'll be like, Oh yeah, that's terrible.
• 1:05:52
  Oh, my mistake. Actually, that that wasn't
• 1:05:55
  Biden. That was, that was, that was
• 1:05:58
  him. And they're like, oh, oh, I
• 1:05:59
  don't know. It's.
• 1:06:06
  Which and it goes to prove over and fucking over again that
• 1:06:09
  these people don't care about facts.
• 1:06:12
  They don't care like right, they'll throw you know well, the
• 1:06:16
  Bible says that this is wrong. OK, well the Bible also says
• 1:06:20
  that this is wrong and this is wrong and this is wrong and yet
• 1:06:23
  you still. By the Bible we would be in some
• 1:06:28
  kind. Of pork and all of these things
• 1:06:31
  and they never have an answer. So if you're go find like I'm
• 1:06:36
  sure now that I've said it, like I said, they're going to pop up
• 1:06:38
  all over your social media. Sorry guys, but look for the
• 1:06:42
  good liars because they're and they do it all like completely
• 1:06:45
  deadpan and they're like, uh huh, uh huh.
• 1:06:49
  OK, so right. I'm doing this right?
• 1:06:52
  Now it's like. I something else that happened
• 1:07:00
  today and you and I were talking about it, but I never got to
• 1:07:03
  like read the full but something that's going to happen is so
• 1:07:12
  some of the states got the voters voted to redistrict some
• 1:07:19
  of their districts. Why this matters?
• 1:07:22
  I think it was. Louisiana, Louisiana, Louisiana
• 1:07:27
  was the yeah, it happened. Yeah, Louisiana was the the
• 1:07:31
  actual Supreme Court ruling. And so this happened in
• 1:07:37
  Louisiana. And a judge basically just said,
• 1:07:41
  like, no, you can change things. And I sent Freddie a text
• 1:07:48
  because President Obama, and yes, I still cause call him
• 1:07:54
  President Obama was going off on like a thread.
• 1:08:01
  And I was like, OK, he never does this.
• 1:08:06
  So like, what's what got him upset?
• 1:08:09
  And so he was talking about how people can do things to cause
• 1:08:14
  injustice to people of color, mainly by changing the
• 1:08:20
  redistricting of where they vote.
• 1:08:24
  Like not basically the whole thing that we're like, this
• 1:08:32
  can't be true. There are people out there that
• 1:08:35
  are just like, oh, we're going to change the district so that,
• 1:08:39
  you know, my friends can vote for this person.
• 1:08:42
  Let's just picture it as this and it it leads to very in just
• 1:08:51
  things happening. Go ahead.
• 1:08:53
  So what it what it says is that Wednesday's ruling significantly
• 1:08:56
  limits the use of race when drawing voting districts,
• 1:09:00
  weakening a civil rights era law that has boosted minority
• 1:09:04
  representation in Congress. So what that means is they can
• 1:09:07
  basically redraw the lines so that places that were like a
• 1:09:10
  black majority are now not going to be a black majority.
• 1:09:16
  And the decision came in the midst of a special legislative
• 1:09:20
  session in Florida. The Republican governor,
• 1:09:23
  DeSantis, had called for congressional redistricting on
• 1:09:27
  the assumption that the Supreme Court would rule as it did.
• 1:09:30
  So Florida and Mississippi are trying to do the same thing now,
• 1:09:36
  so. There was like 3 states that
• 1:09:39
  jumped on it as this decision was being made.
• 1:09:41
  The ink had not been dried. Right, and they're calling it
• 1:09:47
  now. Where is it I?
• 1:09:52
  Can't stand that. So.
• 1:09:55
  Voting rights groups. Right.
• 1:09:58
  Voting rights groups are calling these redistrictings the Alito
• 1:10:04
  map because it was basically Judge Alito.
• 1:10:06
  That was like, no, we're gonna go ahead and do this.
• 1:10:10
  So it's it would discriminate with impunity, says the N double
• 1:10:15
  ACP. The court's six to three
• 1:10:20
  majority opinion was written by Justice Samuel Alito.
• 1:10:23
  So that's why they're calling it the Alito map.
• 1:10:25
  It's one that blatantly dilutes the voting power of black voters
• 1:10:29
  and other disenfranchised communities on account of race
• 1:10:32
  in order to maximize partisan advantage with a SCOTUS stamp of
• 1:10:35
  approval. So.
• 1:10:39
  And the thing that I've heard the stupidity of some people
• 1:10:44
  say, it doesn't determine your one of the your circumstance or
• 1:10:53
  whatever. If that's the case, then why are
• 1:10:58
  you worried? Right.
• 1:11:01
  Why not see? That Well, I also read an
• 1:11:04
  interesting article the other day about how I think currently,
• 1:11:10
  right right now, I believe there are five Republican, black
• 1:11:15
  Republican congressmen, I think, or senators, something like
• 1:11:19
  that. And all five are going away and
• 1:11:23
  are probably gonna be replaced with white people.
• 1:11:25
  The problem with that is for the Republicans, because they could
• 1:11:30
  have all these like racist things and be like, wait, wait,
• 1:11:32
  look, we have a, we have a, we have a black person, though
• 1:11:35
  we're not racist. Look, we have a, we have a black
• 1:11:37
  representative. There's nobody here to let it
• 1:11:38
  out. Right.
• 1:11:41
  But they can't do that now. Once these five representatives
• 1:11:46
  go away, now there will not be any black Republican
• 1:11:50
  representation, which is going to make things a little bit
• 1:11:53
  tricky when it comes to the racist bullshit that the
• 1:11:56
  Republicans are are throwing around out there these days.
• 1:12:00
  Because they could before they could be like, it's the IT was
• 1:12:03
  the equivalent of I'm not racist.
• 1:12:04
  I have a black friend. Mm hmm.
• 1:12:08
  You know, I'm not we're we're, we're not racist.
• 1:12:11
  Look, there's a black Republican senator.
• 1:12:13
  Hang out with a friend. You you you don't hang out with
• 1:12:16
  a friend. So they're gonna lose that
• 1:12:20
  little bit of sort of leverage that they had where they could
• 1:12:24
  be like, look, we're not racist. We have black people,
• 1:12:26
  Republicans, We're progressive. Yay.
• 1:12:32
  So it's. It's.
• 1:12:34
  Yeah, this is. Yeah, again, like this is just
• 1:12:39
  all a fucking mess and one of the reasons why I'm really glad.
• 1:12:43
  You know what? I'm just going to skip the whole
• 1:12:45
  American thing. I'm just going to keep telling
• 1:12:46
  people I'm Canadian because fuck this country right now.
• 1:12:49
  If it gets better, I'll reconsider, but right now, fuck
• 1:12:53
  it, I'm just going to be Canadian.
• 1:12:55
  I don't even, I can't. Fuck it.
• 1:12:59
  It's such a fucking mess. I hate it here.
• 1:13:09
  What gigs do we have? I want to say if there's some
• 1:13:15
  good news out there, I am looking for good news.
• 1:13:19
  I think I saw like I don't know how to say this, but I think it
• 1:13:22
  was Botswana. Botswana sounds.
• 1:13:26
  Right. Got rid of laws that banned same
• 1:13:32
  sex. Was it relationships or it it
• 1:13:38
  was something that was against queer people that that we go, oh
• 1:13:43
  wow, they're just trying to keep us down.
• 1:13:45
  And somebody said, well, maybe we shouldn't have that right?
• 1:13:50
  Just maybe, right. Let's see what 2 we have coming
• 1:13:53
  up. So tomorrow, tomorrow I am
• 1:14:00
  hosting queer visitors, the LGBTQ plus book club for adults
• 1:14:06
  at 7:00 PM Eastern. That would be 4:00 Arizona time.
• 1:14:13
  If you want to reserve your spot, even if you I don't, I
• 1:14:15
  mean, even if you haven't read the book, I think you're still
• 1:14:17
  fine to come. You can still like listen to the
• 1:14:19
  conversation, you know, whatever.
• 1:14:20
  But if you go to the queer visitors link tree, put the link
• 1:14:23
  up, you can go check that out. The book is ASL by Jean Thornton
• 1:14:27
  and the author is actually going to be a part of the discussion.
• 1:14:31
  So that's actually kind of cool. Fun.
• 1:14:33
  Yeah, and then this weekend is Southwest Love Fest and I will
• 1:14:41
  be doing my thing on Saturday and two.
• 1:14:46
  No, there we go. I have two panels or I have a
• 1:14:53
  presentation in the panel that I'm doing.
• 1:14:54
  Both of them are on Saturday. One of them is very fucking
• 1:14:57
  early Saturday morning. But you know, there's a lot of
• 1:15:00
  content that everybody has to fit in.
• 1:15:01
  So it is what it is. So I think my first workshop is
• 1:15:05
  at like 8:30 Saturday morning and then noon, I believe.
• 1:15:10
  But the one at 8:30 is better in bed respecting trans bodies.
• 1:15:16
  So that's just always a good one.
• 1:15:18
  You can go to Lovefest events dot com to get your tickets for
• 1:15:24
  the weekend and there's a lot of events and different things
• 1:15:26
  going on. There's a lot of it's schedule.
• 1:15:28
  I looked at it. There's a lot of stuff.
• 1:15:31
  There's all sorts of workshops, panels, discussions, activities
• 1:15:37
  like there's all sorts of stuff. So it's worth looking into.
• 1:15:40
  You can still get tickets and it's a great way to kind of
• 1:15:43
  support, you know, the the different communities that are
• 1:15:47
  out there, whether you are Polly, whether you are kinky,
• 1:15:49
  whether you are queer, whether it doesn't matter.
• 1:15:51
  There's going to be something for everybody out there for
• 1:15:53
  sure. Doesn't matter, darling, doesn't
• 1:15:55
  matter. And then oh Lord, we are rolling
• 1:15:59
  into June. There is some stuff happening.
• 1:16:03
  So put put things on your calendars folks.
• 1:16:09
  So the weekend of Fan Fusion which is June 6th and 7th, how
• 1:16:16
  do we get rid of the? Thing where's my where's the Oh,
• 1:16:18
  sorry. OK, there we go, I can get rid
• 1:16:26
  of that. So Fan Fusion is the weekend of
• 1:16:31
  June 6th and 7th and Drag Story Hour Arizona will be there both
• 1:16:36
  days. I believe it's either noon or
• 1:16:39
  1:00 PM. We'll have to check the
• 1:16:41
  schedule. I don't remember which, but we
• 1:16:42
  are there Saturday and Sunday. You'll either be at noon or one
• 1:16:46
  both days. Michelle will put in the
• 1:16:49
  comments on YouTube. Right, right, right when she
• 1:16:54
  catches up. But the as usual, the Saturday
• 1:16:59
  will be like fairy tale themed, fantasy themed, and then Sunday
• 1:17:03
  will be like sci-fi. So bring your little ones or if
• 1:17:07
  you just need a, you know, a minute to just kind of sit,
• 1:17:10
  decompress, listen to a couple of stories.
• 1:17:12
  It's always a good excuse to do that.
• 1:17:15
  And then on the 14th of June, I will be at Brick Road Coffee
• 1:17:21
  doing the Pride edition of Drag Story Hour Arizona, which I'm
• 1:17:24
  very excited for. And then on the 20th of June, I
• 1:17:30
  will be hosting a Pride Trivia with Drag Story Hour Arizona at
• 1:17:34
  Brick Road Coffee at Mesa. So their Mesa location at 5:00
• 1:17:39
  PM. So I actually have some stuff
• 1:17:43
  coming up. Look at that whoopee.
• 1:17:45
  I think I'm joining me for one of these.
• 1:17:48
  Oh, OK, that's great. OK, never mind.
• 1:17:57
  Are you on the 7th? No, the 7th of June.
• 1:18:03
  Yeah. Yes, I'm at fan fusion.
• 1:18:06
  OK, so I will be there on Sunday.
• 1:18:12
  And then rolling into July, because eventually we're going
• 1:18:16
  to have to like end the season. So we're still going to put
• 1:18:18
  stuff, make sure you put stuff on the calendar.
• 1:18:20
  So I'm guessing. Don't forget about us just
• 1:18:22
  because we disappear. But.
• 1:18:25
  If you're on Patreon, most of these events have been announced
• 1:18:31
  already on paper. And we'll remind you and we'll
• 1:18:34
  remind you. But the 10th of July, we're back
• 1:18:37
  at Dragon Bingo and cats. But it'll be my birthday 'cause
• 1:18:41
  it'll be the week before my birthday.
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  Bring me cake and presents and money because I'm going to
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  Toronto the next week. I'm gonna be old.
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  Maybe very old. Yeah, we're bring shovels.
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  And then if you feel like traveling on and I will get
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  visuals and stuff for this too, but July 24th through the 26th
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  is Thrust Fest happening in Toronto, Canada. 60 plus Kings,
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  three nights of crazy entertainment.
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  I'm not stressing at all. Not.
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  Even a little bit. I'll be fine.
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  So put that on your calendar if you feel like making the trip
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  up. I know I would love to see some
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  familiar faces, but you know, I get it.
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  So yeah, that's that's what's happening in the next few
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  months. We got a lot.
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  Oh I have drag bingo at Drink me Tea room on May 14th Part 2.
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  Do this one. I was like, didn't you?
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  Already do this one. It's a good design.
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  Oh, excuse me. Yeah.
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  Have they run out of themes or they just no?
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  The drink me two room is basically Alice in Wonderland
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  themed like brick Row coffee is Wizard of Oz slash Wicked theme,
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  so it goes with the theme of the the tea room.
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  Get your tickets at drink me tearoom.com and we have such a
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  good time. Oh, did I not talk about that
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  down? Oh, apparently not.
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  Down I thought it. Was two weeks ago No2.
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  Weeks ago? No, that was last week.
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  Oh. Whoops, that was last week.
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  It was a good time. It was totally a good time.
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  Full house. I'll have to tell you what I
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  came up with instead of instead of.
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  Oh hell yeah. And people gladly took on the
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  challenge. So we'll talk about it on
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  Patreon, 'cause I think it's hilarious and I don't want
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  everybody to know fair enough to come to our events to experience
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  this. I'm so excited.
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  It was hilarious. But until then, and one other
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  thing took forever in a day. But sex trivia is coming back.
• 1:21:20
  We keep getting asked about when is sex trivia coming back?
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  It's gonna come back at Gracie's September 3rd at 8:00 PM for
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  sign ups and then 8:30 to start. So make sure you get there at 8
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  mark. If anybody if anybody has any
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  like recommendations on venues that might like like a good sex
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  trivia night, let us know. We will totally reach out.
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  We like to spread. No, that's not the right word.
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  Yeah, education. We like to educate.
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  There you go. That's that's all.
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  But there's no show next week. Friday's gone.
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  I'm I'm gone. We will be gone.
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  We will be gone. Neither of us will be on the
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  state, that is all. Nope, Nope.
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  I'm gonna be. Wednesday is Star Wars night, so
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  we're not going to the park during the day.
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  We're but we are going to Star Wars night that night.
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  So I'm very excited about that. I love it, I love it.
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  Can't wait to see pictures. Let's see, I'm.
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  Gonna try and remember to bring like my GoPro and stuff and see
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  if I can get some like good video.
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  We'll see. You know, you OK?
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  I make no promises. I always say that, and then I
• 1:22:44
  always fucking forget. I always fucking forget.
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  I always say that. I'm gonna try and remember to
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  get something. I don't know.
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  We'll see. I have to.
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  I believe you, whatever. I believe you completely.
• 1:22:59
  And even during our offseason, you can book us for office
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  parties, graduations coming up. So, like, book us for
• 1:23:07
  graduations. Families love us, especially the
• 1:23:11
  conservative ones. Don't put us in danger, though.
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  So, you know, those are happening.
• 1:23:19
  Over the summer, I saw some people trying to host a movie
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  night. I'm available.
• 1:23:27
  Freddy's available. I like to know what the movie is
• 1:23:30
  though before right? Let let me give me a heads up.
• 1:23:36
  It's like inviting me to read a book out loud and then I don't
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  know what the book is has happened before.
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  Yeah, yes, at least give me at least give me time to Google.
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  You know, like let me look up the synopsis or something, I
• 1:23:52
  don't know. Grab the Cliffs Notes.
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  So with that, we will see you in two weeks.
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  What is 2 weeks from now? What is that?
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  The 12th. Or something.
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  The 13th. Sure, I was close.
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  Sure, Uh huh. So we'll see you on the 13th.
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  Sure, we'll have plenty to talk about by the.
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  Absolutely. I'm I fully expect that that
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  show will probably go longer 'cause even we have plenty, we
• 1:24:26
  always, they're always going longer.
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  We just make the show in 90 minutes.
• 1:24:30
  With that being said, be safe out there, take care of
• 1:24:34
  yourselves, and we will see you later for your Wednesday night
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  conversation. Good.
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  Night.