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Bachelor Breaking News: Kylee & Aven · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to a breaking news episode of the
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Speaker 2: Almost Famous podcast today. I am joined, of course, by
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Speaker 2: my lovely, beautiful, intelligent co host.
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Speaker 3: Ben Hagen's gracious.
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Speaker 2: And like the Andy Cohen of the Bachelor franchise, specifically
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Speaker 2: on TikTok, his name is Zachary Reality. We're so happy
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Speaker 2: to have him.
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Speaker 4: So happy to be here, especially like after such a
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Speaker 4: crazy year of Bachelor Nation. So it's a good time
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Speaker 4: to come on with the end of the year. So
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Speaker 4: Happy New Year, guys, Almost.
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Speaker 2: Happy Almost New Year. Well, so Friday afternoon, Jill and
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Speaker 2: I are here. We're looking at all the instagrams of
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Speaker 2: the quote happy couples and we're like, why are none
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Speaker 2: of these people hosting pictures of each other? There are
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Speaker 2: no Instagram hard launches, and to this time we still
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Speaker 2: don't have some you know.
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Speaker 3: True.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first off, Aaron and Eliza have not to
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Speaker 2: be heard from at all on Instagram.
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Speaker 3: What about Kat and John Henry.
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Speaker 4: She posted a story that they were going to move
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Speaker 4: to San Diego together, or that's what it said in
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Speaker 4: the credits. Yeah, they posted that they were like still together,
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Speaker 4: and then he reposted her story but nothing else but.
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Speaker 2: Just stories, and Jill and I thought that was a
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Speaker 2: little weird. Then we were like trying to explain it,
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Speaker 2: saying like, possibly the show may have like not wanted
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Speaker 2: spoilers to the people who were watching on Hulu. Maybe
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Speaker 2: they gave him a little bit of like a twenty
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Speaker 2: four hour hold. But then I'm at a Jonas Parler
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Speaker 2: concert and all of a sudden Ben texts me, and
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Speaker 2: he goes Kylie and Avan they just posted that they
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Speaker 2: what they broke up or that he cheated, and I
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Speaker 2: was like, well, wait a second. And then you were like,
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Speaker 2: but he posted yesterday that they were together. And I'm like,
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Speaker 2: I was literally on their Instagram, like not even twenty.
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Speaker 3: Four hours ago.
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Speaker 2: How they posted that they were together in this amount
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Speaker 2: of time, in this twenty four hour spand you're telling
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Speaker 2: me they went from nothing which was weird, to actually
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Speaker 2: posting something to then posting a breakup announcement. How did
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Speaker 2: that all happen so fast? Like this is where we
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Speaker 2: have to pour in, Zach, Why don't we.
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Speaker 3: Actually hasn't Ashley hasn't breathed yet, She's just good.
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Speaker 2: I like, so weird it out about what possibly happened. So, Zach,
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Speaker 2: why don't you'll break it down for us a little
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Speaker 2: bit and then we'll do the speculation.
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Speaker 4: So she posted a couple photos of him throughout the season,
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Speaker 4: just of like what was on the show, so just
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Speaker 4: kind of like promoting the show whatever. So he was
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Speaker 4: already on her grid, but he never posted her to
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Speaker 4: begin with. The day after the show, we all see
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Speaker 4: what happens. They leave together as boyfriend and girlfriends because
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Speaker 4: she wanted to get engaged and Avan did not, and
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Speaker 4: we can get into that too. But then the day
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Speaker 4: after the show, they post a picture together, very high quality.
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Speaker 4: They probably hired a photographer. I thought it was a
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Speaker 4: movin post because it looked like it was in an
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Speaker 4: apartment that they moved in together on Instagram.
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Speaker 2: But there's no confirmation of this. Is this speculation, Yeah, okay.
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Speaker 4: So that's what it assumes. I mean, the caption was
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Speaker 4: like we you know, when something's worth fighting for.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So then the next day or like hours later, she
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Speaker 4: posts a story. I don't know if you want to
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Speaker 4: like read it word for word, but basically saying that
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Speaker 4: there was multiple infidelities and that things have come to
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Speaker 4: the light. So then she untags herself and deletes all
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Speaker 4: those posts, so there was three of him on her page,
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Speaker 4: and then unfollows him. She has the story up, and
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Speaker 4: then the next morning he posts that he confirmed he
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Speaker 4: did cheat on her. He's working on himself. He apologizes,
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Speaker 4: and then he deletes the posts from his page, but
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Speaker 4: he still follows her.
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Speaker 3: You know, I get all of my information, so Ashley
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Speaker 3: mentioned that the texted her. I get all of my
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Speaker 3: information from you. I love it. So I just want
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Speaker 3: to tell everybody out there, you know, as we continue
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Speaker 3: this conversation, if you want to stay up to date
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Speaker 3: with reality television, right, I mean in general Bachelor and
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Speaker 3: Bachelor I kind of get focused on while the seasons
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Speaker 3: are airing. But then you also, you do have a
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Speaker 3: lot of good breaking news, and you do a great
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Speaker 3: job at not spreading rumors that are not you know,
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Speaker 3: verified and validated. Yet I think it's a really hard
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Speaker 3: thing to do because well, bacheloration does weird stuff all
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Speaker 3: the time. Okay, So two thoughts on what what you
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Speaker 3: were saying. If you would have given me like odds
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Speaker 3: on which couple I put money on working after this,
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Speaker 3: quite honestly, I don't know if any of them, I
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Speaker 3: don't know if there's only zero of them, zero of them.
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Speaker 3: But if you would have told me that Kat and
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Speaker 3: John Henry had the best shot, that would have been
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Speaker 3: the wildest thing I've ever heard that. I mean, at
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Speaker 3: least even and Kylie weren't shown on the show, which
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Speaker 3: typically on Bachelor in Paradise means that they're doing our right. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, let's kind of transition here because we've talked
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Speaker 3: about what's happened. They've broke up within a day of
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Speaker 3: this announcement going on, there's infidelities. Is there anything else
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Speaker 3: out there that we know on what happened here? Like
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Speaker 3: how did she find out? When did she find out?
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Speaker 3: Did she find out before the show was over? Maybe
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Speaker 3: the show said, hey, don't say anything about it yet.
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Speaker 4: No, no, no, she said, twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's a shocking thing. Twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: Why what I'm assuming is that girls once she hard
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Speaker 2: launched the Instagram and said like a confirm that they
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Speaker 2: were still together despite what they said at the end
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Speaker 2: of the episode, Because the end of the episode does
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Speaker 2: seem like one I think the show ABC is going
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit positive about where the couples are,
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Speaker 2: especially after you watched that final episode. And I also
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Speaker 2: think that like it maybe even be a little bit
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Speaker 2: outdated the information on there. So once they hard launched
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Speaker 2: that they were in fact still together, you think that
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Speaker 2: certain girls flooded her Instagram box saying that like we
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Speaker 2: saw him cheating on you, or like I was the
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Speaker 2: one he cheated on you with.
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Speaker 4: That's the only possibility that she got a bunch of
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Speaker 4: dms with photoproof. I mean for her to post that
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Speaker 4: so quickly, like she believed it immediately, and how hard
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Speaker 4: is it to cheat when you're on a show, so
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Speaker 4: you have to be low key anyway. He lives in
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Speaker 4: San Diego and she's in North Carolina, so it's not
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Speaker 4: like he couldn't get away with it for this long.
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Speaker 4: They're not allowed to post together anyway, and I think
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Speaker 4: she was like, all right, I'm your girl, post me
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Speaker 4: on your Instagram. And maybe he didn't want to do
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Speaker 4: the post to begin with, kind of like how he
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Speaker 4: didn't want to get engaged and she did, and that
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Speaker 4: he was exposed within twenty four hours, so she had
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Speaker 4: no choice but to break up with him.
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Speaker 2: It's shocking that throughout the entire season. He never posted
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Speaker 2: one promo shot of the two of them together. That
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Speaker 2: says a lot in hindsight.
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Speaker 5: It says everything.
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Speaker 3: It's an really interesting dynamic because you know, we can
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Speaker 3: go in here and I don't know even personally, and
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Speaker 3: I don't know Kylie at all. In fact, I didn't
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Speaker 3: even know who she was, and she came on the season.
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Speaker 3: At least I knew him because he was, you know,
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Speaker 3: late into the season, he was on Rachel Rachel's season,
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Speaker 3: thank you. But like there's some there's just bad behavior
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Speaker 3: obviously happening, because now he's owned up to it, Like
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Speaker 3: this isn't an assumption or a guest that you know
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Speaker 3: he was cheating. No, he's owned up to it. She
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Speaker 3: was very clear. I read her post. I was like
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Speaker 3: that she went at him like she's pissed, she's mad,
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Speaker 3: she's her Bachelor Data And I want to hear your
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Speaker 3: two thoughts on this, because I don't understand the world
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Speaker 3: very much anymore, especially people's reactions to stuff. Bachelor Data
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Speaker 3: came out yesterday and said that on her post, she
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Speaker 3: had a lot of comments that were kind of hating
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Speaker 3: on Kylie, being very mean to Kylie in this process.
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Speaker 3: Once Bachelor Data posted about the infidelities, why like, can
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Speaker 3: you guys explain to me why Kylie was now the
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Speaker 3: one getting hated on for it. Well, I'll say this.
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Speaker 2: On my episode with Jill on Friday, I said that
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Speaker 2: that episode made me like just kind of like, ough, Kylie,
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Speaker 2: what the hell I look with the whole engagement Like literally,
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Speaker 2: it seemed like all she cared about was engagement. But
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Speaker 2: now my whole perspective is well sort of change what
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Speaker 2: I think. She was too obsessed with the thought of it,
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Speaker 2: but now that I see that she has been cheated on,
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Speaker 2: I'm just like think, God, you didn't get engaged. Could
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Speaker 2: you imagine having wasted that moment on a man like this?
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Speaker 3: Oh?
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Speaker 4: I never understood why people get engaged on the show.
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Speaker 4: I still can't fathom it after only being together for
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Speaker 4: that many weeks. Like I literally do not think I
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Speaker 4: could do it. So I always get really surprised.
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Speaker 2: There's just not enough pressure to get engaged on Paradise.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you can so easily leave Paradise not engaged
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Speaker 2: and last, So That's why I'm like you, I understand
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Speaker 2: the pressure that comes from the main show, and you're
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Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of pressure from Bachelor Paradise too,
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Speaker 2: but in Paradise you can finangle it to.
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Speaker 3: Not Okay, can we go back to my question. We've
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Speaker 3: got off this. So I think what Ashley was saying
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Speaker 3: there was that maybe people were hating on Kylie because
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Speaker 3: the only perspective of Kylie they have is maybe from
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Speaker 3: the show, and that she was a little pushy and maybe,
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Speaker 3: you know, some people found her annoying. Yeah, so people
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Speaker 3: are like, I don't like Kylie anyways, like you know whatever. Still,
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Speaker 3: that's why I get confused. But that's where I get
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Speaker 3: confused with people's response to things like this, And I
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Speaker 3: need Zachary now to tell me, like, have you seen
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Speaker 3: these comments that are mean? Why are people being mean
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Speaker 3: to Kylie? Is there a second story here that I'm missing?
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Speaker 6: See?
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Speaker 5: It feels like a lot of people are now starting
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Speaker 5: to support her.
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Speaker 4: I think people were mean to her during the season
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Speaker 4: a little bit because it felt like she was pushy
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Speaker 4: with Avan and like wanted more than she was getting.
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Speaker 4: And then the whole Blake thing at the end was
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Speaker 4: really strange. So maybe there were some red flags that
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Speaker 4: she ignored. So that's why people are possibly coming for her,
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Speaker 4: But I think you have to like rally for Kylie
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Speaker 4: because she was the one that was cheated on, Like
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Speaker 4: she posted that picture with him so excited to finally
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Speaker 4: show it off. Like you guys know how exciting it
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Speaker 4: is after the show to finally post your relationship. So
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Speaker 4: you can only imagine how like embarrassed and devastated she
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Speaker 4: feels to have to take that down within twenty four
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Speaker 4: hours after thinking that for three five months that she
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Speaker 4: was going to post with this man and this was
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Speaker 4: going to be this whole thing.
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Speaker 3: I would be going scorched earth if I was hurt,
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Speaker 3: Like I would be just absolutely throwing darts right now,
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Speaker 3: And she kind of did. I mean, her post was
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Speaker 3: as direct of a breakup post as I've ever seen,
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Speaker 3: Like she was like, no, screw that. Twenty four hours later,
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Speaker 3: he's cheated on me. Please respect my time in privacy
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Speaker 3: because honestly, I'm boiling over and I get it, Like,
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Speaker 3: I just didn't understand why people were at not supporting
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Speaker 3: her a one hundred percent. What Zachary is saying is
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Speaker 3: maybe during the show they weren't, but then like twenty
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Speaker 3: four hours later, once this came out and the dust settled.
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Speaker 3: Then everybody's kind of back on like, hey, she was
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Speaker 3: cheated on, Like we got a rally that makes sense
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Speaker 3: to me.
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Speaker 2: Now let's talk about how absolutely crazy Even has to
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Speaker 2: be to cheat on somebody in the midst of having
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Speaker 2: a televised relationship with them in which it ends with
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Speaker 2: them leaving together.
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Speaker 4: What I feel like we have to read his statement
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Speaker 4: before like discussing it, because okay, read this saves a
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Speaker 4: lot to unpack with it.
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Speaker 5: Let me get it up.
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Speaker 3: As Zach pulls us up, I have a general question
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Speaker 3: for you, Ashley and Zach as he's kind of pulling
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Speaker 3: up the statement. Have we ever had a scenario in
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Speaker 3: Bachelor Nation like this, like a cheating scandal I mean
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Speaker 3: a cheating scandal while the season's airing, you know, and
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Speaker 3: after the season's done, and they're like, yeah, he was
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Speaker 3: cheating on me, Like I'm sure we have.
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Speaker 4: But you know, what's interesting as people are saying that
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Speaker 4: the same thing happened with Brandon and Serene but they
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Speaker 4: actually got engaged, but apparently he cheated on her. And
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Speaker 4: what's interesting is that Brandon and Even have the same
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Speaker 4: last name, and Serene and Kylie have the same last
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Speaker 4: name too. Whoaas Brandon Jones, Avan Jones, Kylie Russell, Serene Russell.
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Speaker 2: That is but Nanas, now, wait when he did when
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Speaker 2: Brandon cheated though, that was far into their relationship, right
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Speaker 2: and but I mean not that that excuses anything. It's
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Speaker 2: just like wild that like while they're still front and
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Speaker 2: center and people are still waiting to find out like
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Speaker 2: if the end and engagement or whatnot.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's out there.
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Speaker 4: There's no excuse for why he cheated.
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Speaker 3: He says, there's never an excuse. Really. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So, after a careful thought and consideration into writing this,
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Speaker 4: I want to first and foremost apologize to Kylie, my family,
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Speaker 4: and my friends for my actions. I have made major
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Speaker 4: mistakes in the relationship and hurt someone who was very
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Speaker 4: close to me at this time. I am extremely I
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Speaker 4: am an extremely low place, trying to work on myself.
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Speaker 4: I am doing my best to find healing and be
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Speaker 4: a better person. Please have grace and respect for Kylie
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Speaker 4: and her family through this difficult time.
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Speaker 5: Thank you.
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Speaker 3: Again. I don't know even I don't know Kylie. There
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Speaker 3: is not like a character judgment that I can fully
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Speaker 3: make and get behind right now because I just don't
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Speaker 3: know them, and so I can't say, yeah, we saw
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Speaker 3: this coming or we didn't. It's a terrible decision no
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Speaker 3: matter what. And he's owning it, right, it's a terrible decision.
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Speaker 3: It's not okay, rally behind. I just feel like the
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Speaker 3: line there, please have grace for Kylie and her family
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Speaker 3: or friends at this time, like I think it should be,
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Speaker 3: please have grace for me, Like what's Kylie getting grace for?
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Speaker 3: Like maybe support like support, but like grace and support
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Speaker 3: aren't the same thing, like graces like unconditional forgiveness, and
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Speaker 3: I don't know she needs forgiveness right now. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 3: actually very strange, is that it is not anyway, Maybe
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Speaker 3: just a weird word choice after days of thinking about
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Speaker 3: the post, but no matter what, Let's go back then
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Speaker 3: to he's owning this. This is this is a thing
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Speaker 3: not being denied. But at this point all we have
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Speaker 3: are these two like posts, right, we don't have any
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Speaker 3: other information coming out. There's no other interviews and there's
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Speaker 3: no pictures leaked anything like that. Ryzach no Zachary.
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Speaker 5: So at least he owned it.
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Speaker 4: I think that's where we can at least give him credit,
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Speaker 4: Like he literally said he confirmed it.
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Speaker 5: Immediately. I think.
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Speaker 4: I feel like so many guys would lie about it
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Speaker 4: or wait days or try and twist the narrative.
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Speaker 5: So I can at least respect that.
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Speaker 4: And now it's like nipped in the butt, like she
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Speaker 4: found out she was cheated on. He owns it, he
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Speaker 4: says he's sorry, he's gonna work on himself. So there's
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Speaker 4: no more speculation because they both were so straightforward, like
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Speaker 4: you were saying about Kylie's post, like they're both really
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Speaker 4: straightforward in their stories. We know exactly where they stand.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, I guess we're just gonna have to
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Speaker 2: wait in here. Just want to let everybody know we
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Speaker 2: did reach out to Kylie and Avin.
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Speaker 3: Of course they we did not hear back.
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Speaker 2: But you know, if I were her, I'd be like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do every.
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Speaker 3: Podcast at some point. I bet she does. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you know, we've had in the past two where relationships
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Speaker 3: have gone sour and then you know, months later they
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Speaker 3: come on and they're like, no, that that was a
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Speaker 3: terrible situation for me. And I want to tell my
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Speaker 3: story because I've held it in and it doesn't do
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Speaker 3: you know, et cetera, et cetera. But this is one
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Speaker 3: of the well the wildest scenarios that I've experienced with enbachchlination,
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Speaker 3: only because I'm typically not up to date on the headlines.
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Speaker 3: Like I get the headlines when we sit down for
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Speaker 3: the podcast and i read through the notes, maybe the
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Speaker 3: night before, and I'm like, Oh, they're having a baby,
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Speaker 3: or they got married, or that's happening, or I do
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Speaker 3: follow Zachary reality, which has been a big benefit to
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Speaker 3: now on my job, but also just to me keeping
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Speaker 3: up with my friends. You do a great job. I
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Speaker 3: recommend following you. It's like maybe the only I don't
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Speaker 3: know what you call it, like reality journalist that I
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Speaker 3: followed consistently. And then I always watch your stories because
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Speaker 3: it's always interesting to me. But like I watched it,
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Speaker 3: I texted the thread. We have an almost famous thread
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Speaker 3: with a few people in it. I was so excited Zachary.
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Speaker 3: I had the dats before everybody else, so I was like,
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Speaker 3: they are moving in together. They're very happy.
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Speaker 7: Then the next day I was like, this event, Yeah,
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Speaker 7: it was a real turn of events and post any
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Speaker 7: I was almost was going to post about it when
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Speaker 7: Kylie posted, I was going to like, wait a second,
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Speaker 7: So thank god I did because I didn't know, Like I.
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Speaker 5: Actually like didn't believe it at first.
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Speaker 4: I was like, wait what It was just really shocking
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Speaker 4: how it all happened so quick.
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Speaker 2: So do you immediately reach out to people and see
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Speaker 2: if you get some inside sources?
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Speaker 3: No story like.
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Speaker 5: That, No, not anymore.
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Speaker 4: No, I just want to raport on what is out there,
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Speaker 4: what is the news, and recap the shows. I'm not
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Speaker 4: into the inside stories.
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Speaker 3: Well how about this. Can I make a deal with
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Speaker 3: you from here on out? When we have breaking news,
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Speaker 3: can you just come on and talk with us about it?
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Speaker 3: Because so often Ashley myself are sitting here and Ashley know,
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Speaker 3: you know, knows a lot more than I do about
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Speaker 3: these things. It's great to have your insight, and it's
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Speaker 3: great to have you there to give a any type
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Speaker 3: of kind of like answers to nuance that typically exist
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Speaker 3: in these situations. So please come back more often now.
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Speaker 3: I'd like that. I love a third perspective.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so down to come back.
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Speaker 4: You guys know I've been watching the show for Blake
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Speaker 4: fifteen years, like for a really long time.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, a long time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Zach. I know we'll have more information unfolding
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Speaker 2: about this story very soon and stay tuned, guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate.
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Speaker 2: It's a really unfortunate We're like, we're like, I'm like rabid,
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Speaker 2: like gossip like animals right now.
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Speaker 3: But it's like, really sad. It is very unfortunate, that's
17:37
Speaker 3: the thing. But there's still you know, I think it's
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Speaker 3: this is the weirdest scenario to close us up. This
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Speaker 3: is the weirdest scenario I've been a part of, because
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Speaker 3: we know what happened, Like we're not guessing, We're not
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Speaker 3: being like I wonder if or I wonder. It's like, no,
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Speaker 3: we know exactly what happened. They've both announced it really terribly.
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Speaker 3: They both owned it within twenty four hours, and now
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Speaker 3: we're here to be like that was a wild change
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Speaker 3: of events. Now, in any other Bachelor in Paradise season,
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Speaker 3: I think people are a lot more upset. It just
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Speaker 3: feels like this season, people like, well, this is the
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Speaker 3: one couple we thought could work, so screw this.
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Speaker 2: Like and leaving and like leaving that thought. Do we
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Speaker 2: think that Avan was really into her now like in hindsight.
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Speaker 5: I mean probably not.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna be not enough.
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Speaker 2: He never really seemed happy. Now that I'm thinking about
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Speaker 2: all those scenes and them together.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking that too.
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Speaker 3: I was never smiled.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't seem like he really, but then he
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Speaker 4: was fighting for it at the end.
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Speaker 5: Avan's kind of confusing.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's he's been confusing since the beginning.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to hear Rachel's perspective on this because.
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Speaker 3: We know what happened now on after the final rows,
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Speaker 3: Like you know, Rachel was like shocked and surprised that
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Speaker 3: he showed up, and then she's like I gotta say yes,
18:52
Speaker 3: right because this is awkward if I don't, and then
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Speaker 3: it's just a really weird situation. They walk off stage
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Speaker 3: and they're like, we haven't talked to each other since, like, yeah,
18:59
Speaker 3: we're bounced, like they He's just he is. He's been
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Speaker 3: a confusing character and that's probably why they shouldn't choose
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Speaker 3: him as a bachelor. He was like a very clear
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Speaker 3: choice to be the Bachelor, and the show never really
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Speaker 3: even hinted at it, probably because they're like, I don't
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Speaker 3: know if this lo's ready.
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Speaker 6: Yeah for them to pick Zach over him, but I
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Speaker 6: don't think Avan was like very open on camera, Like
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Speaker 6: I think he's feel shy and like people who are
19:23
Speaker 6: saying that his journey was like the same to Bachelorette,
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Speaker 6: where he got all the way to the end with
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Speaker 6: Rachel they were the final two and then he didn't
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Speaker 6: propose to her, and kind of like the same thing
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Speaker 6: with Kylie because that's why she brought it up during
19:34
Speaker 6: their breakup too.
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Speaker 5: It was kind of similar.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's not there yet or this is
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very weird. Anyways, zachar Reality go
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Speaker 3: follow him. Great, just zach Zachary, you do a terrific job,
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Speaker 3: and I want to make sure people know that this
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Speaker 3: is the breaking news podcast Almost Famous. Hey, we'll see
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Speaker 3: you soon. Until next time, I've been Ben, I've.
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Speaker 5: Been Ashley, and I've been Zachary.
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Speaker 3: Bye.
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