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Unbreakable w/ Jay Glazer - Joe Douglas · The Ben Maller Show

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Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast
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Speaker 1: build you from the inside out.
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Speaker 2: Now Here's Jay Glacier.
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Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth Podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm
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Speaker 1: Jay Glazer, and I'm pumped about today's guests because he's
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Speaker 1: gonna be working with me this week covering the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: Good friend of mine, Joe Douglas, former general manager of
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Speaker 1: the New York Jets, and you know, the Jets was
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Speaker 1: one experience.
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Speaker 3: Working with me on the draft. That might be your
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Speaker 3: most challenging mission yet.
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Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I am really looking forward to Thursday night.
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Speaker 4: It's going to be a good time talking ball, talking players,
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Speaker 4: talking draft.
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Speaker 1: Look and I love having you guys on because you
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Speaker 1: guys give us an insight. It's so funny that I've
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Speaker 1: had some good insight, Like I've sat in draft rooms,
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Speaker 1: which by the way, are not ADHD Conducer. And you know, shoot,
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Speaker 1: I sat in the Saints draft room. Oh man, what
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Speaker 1: years it's maybe two thousand one or something like that.
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Speaker 1: Two thousand when the rounds were what was the first
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Speaker 1: round back in fifteen minutes? Right? Yeah, they went a while,
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Speaker 1: they went a while, right, and you had three rounds
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Speaker 1: of the first day, right, it was brutal, But I
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Speaker 1: always look and I obviously a lot of you guys
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Speaker 1: are have good insign info. I was find it funny
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Speaker 1: when prognownst Sicarus, if you will come out in like
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Speaker 1: February and tell people all this team has this kuy
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Speaker 1: on the top of their birth that you guys don't
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Speaker 1: set your boards until. I know every team is different,
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Speaker 1: but your board's really not set till this week.
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Speaker 4: Right, I mean it's not set until the day of
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Speaker 4: the draft, sometimes a few hours for the draft. I
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Speaker 4: mean you're constantly and we used to say the scouts
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Speaker 4: all the time. Just because the meetings were over doesn't
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Speaker 4: mean you know you're not still on job for this draft.
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Speaker 4: We're constantly trying to acquire download as much information as
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Speaker 4: humanly possible on every single player in your area, in
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Speaker 4: your in your position group. So I mean, the the
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Speaker 4: boards never set until until that night.
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Speaker 3: So the night before you're saying with or before the drift.
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Speaker 4: Neither draft, you're literally you're going through all these different scenarios.
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Speaker 4: I mean, the bulk of it's taking shape during that
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Speaker 4: last round of meetings with the coaching staff and when
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Speaker 4: the coaching staff brings in all their opinions, brings in
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Speaker 4: all their the work that they've done.
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Speaker 2: You know that's starting to solidify.
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Speaker 4: But really, I mean that that pick in the first
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Speaker 4: round exactly what's going through all the different scenarios you're
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Speaker 4: working through. I mean you're working, You're working on that
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Speaker 4: all the way up until like a few hours before
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Speaker 4: the craft.
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Speaker 3: I find it amazing. I'll never forget.
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Speaker 1: The cowboys called me many many, many many years ago.
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Speaker 1: They were set to pick Sean Merriman with the I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna say it's the eighth pick or tenth pick. I
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Speaker 1: forget what it was.
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Speaker 3: Damn. All of a sudden they called me up, said, hey,
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Speaker 3: we found out some stuff about Merriment news maryln can
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Speaker 3: you find it? Can you find out?
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Speaker 1: Is the day before the draft, and I'd found out,
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Speaker 1: and you know, they had found out also in the
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Speaker 1: morning of the calling back said hey, comfortable with what
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Speaker 1: we heard, we're going to.
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Speaker 3: Change what we're doing.
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Speaker 1: I said, what do you mean if you're comfortable to said,
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Speaker 1: we're comfortable, ish, we're gonna change.
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Speaker 3: So that is Sean Meherman like they thought they want him.
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Speaker 1: Let's you know again, we're it really comes to play,
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Speaker 1: you know, ship a couple of weeks before that morning
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Speaker 1: of they changed from him to DeMarcus Worth the morning of, right,
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Speaker 1: And people don't understand things like that happen on draft.
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Speaker 4: Dack absolutely absolutely. I think you've seen a couple of
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Speaker 4: cases of that happened. I mean I can remember back
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Speaker 4: back my one draft with the Bears. You know, when, uh,
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Speaker 4: some things happen that you're not expect expecting to happen.
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Speaker 2: There's videos that come out that you're not.
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Speaker 4: Really expected to happen, in offensive tackle falls and si, yeah,
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Speaker 4: the tunsil.
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Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 4: And then I remember even when I was with the Ravens,
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Speaker 4: you know, there's some crazy reports about like l Collins
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Speaker 4: and like he he should have been a first or
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Speaker 4: second round draft picks.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and so like you know, it's just you.
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Speaker 4: Got to be ready for anything, you know, and like
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Speaker 4: you think you've got all the answers, but a lot
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Speaker 4: of times you don't.
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Speaker 1: I got a call a couple of years ago from
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Speaker 1: these teams that are saying, hey man, we're pulling this
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Speaker 1: guy off our board because he got pot for meth.
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Speaker 1: And I said, read me what it was, and they
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Speaker 1: read it and I'm like, it's not meth. What you
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Speaker 1: teams don't understand is a lot of these generic forms
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Speaker 1: of adderall have met in the title. I'm like, it's
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Speaker 1: not meth.
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Speaker 3: This is adderall.
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Speaker 1: Make sure you don't spread that around because that's two
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Speaker 1: totally different things.
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Speaker 4: Right, absolutely, absolutely, Like you know, a lot of teams
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Speaker 4: lean on their security staff, you know, you know, if
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Speaker 4: they got a big dom in the house or something
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Speaker 4: like that, they're leaning on on that for you for
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Speaker 4: all the information on tests and things that come coming
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Speaker 4: through like that. So yeah, but oftentimes you're taking that
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Speaker 4: information right to the doctors and just making sure that
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Speaker 4: it's not something that's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Look, I don't do a mock draft because when you
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Speaker 1: guys tell me, hey, Glaze, we're doing this, you can't
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Speaker 1: say anything right until you're on the until we're you know,
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Speaker 1: draft night around the clock, you can't say anything. So
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie to the fans and put something
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Speaker 1: else at when I know it's not gonna happen.
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Speaker 3: And the same right, you know, I live in this
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Speaker 3: world of trust.
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Speaker 1: But I think a lot of you guys called me
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Speaker 1: in the past and go, hey, we're like there was
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Speaker 1: a team years ago asked me about man, we want
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Speaker 1: one of these two top corners. I said, can't do it.
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Speaker 1: You got to move up five spots. I don't think
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Speaker 1: you have the capitol. I could put you on the
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Speaker 1: phone with a team and see if you can get
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Speaker 1: this done. But otherwise, who's your third guy? And they
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Speaker 1: told me I said, okay, you could drop down around
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Speaker 1: five because I don't have anybody.
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Speaker 3: Liking him before that. So all good things like that,
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Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 1: But as a result, when I'm on Fox Sports Radio,
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Speaker 1: I already know a lot of what's going to go
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Speaker 1: on going into it. That's why I think we're the
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Speaker 1: most excessive you know, draft show you could you could
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Speaker 1: watch now having you out absolutely tell me again, tell
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Speaker 1: me the process going in for you guys of let's
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Speaker 1: say this last couple of weeks here you're saying you're
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Speaker 1: meeting with the coach. Tell me your process and how
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Speaker 1: you how you put your you're born up and what
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Speaker 1: those conversations are like.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so our process, I mean obviously it starts in May,
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Speaker 4: right right after the draft. The guys are starting to
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Speaker 4: work on next year's draft class. And really we have
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Speaker 4: our first group of meetings of putting the initial board
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Speaker 4: together in December once the college seasons played out, and
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Speaker 4: probably right before the playoffs are starting, and now in
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Speaker 4: today's format college schedule, and we're really just kind of
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Speaker 4: getting with the scouts. Who's your top thirty guys, Like
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Speaker 4: who are the guys.
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Speaker 2: You're excited about?
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Speaker 4: Like who would you be most excited to be a
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Speaker 4: Raven or an Eagle or a Jet?
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Speaker 2: Like who fires you up?
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Speaker 4: So you're going over those guys in December and that
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Speaker 4: kind of gets you going, kind of kind of gets
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Speaker 4: you started in the process. And then All Star Games,
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl East West, all the guys are hitting
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Speaker 4: those and just kind of trying to fill in some
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Speaker 4: puzzle pieces to each player. A Senior Bowl is usually
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Speaker 4: a big week, but really you get back together as
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Speaker 4: a group right before Combine, so that that week before
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Speaker 4: the combine is when we get together and really start
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Speaker 4: hammering out are what our front board is going to
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Speaker 4: look like. And then we hit the We hit the combine,
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Speaker 4: hit the pro days, and now you bring the coaches
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Speaker 4: in usually that first first, uh, first or second week
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Speaker 4: of April, and they've they've been on the road, they've
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Speaker 4: been doing the private workouts, interviews with the players, saw
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Speaker 4: them at the combine. They've they're really they're really locked
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Speaker 4: into their position group who they love, and that's when
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Speaker 4: the scouts and the coaches really come together. And kind
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Speaker 4: of that's kind of the magic of it is when
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Speaker 4: when when you find when you find guys that the
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Speaker 4: scouts and the coaches are all fired up about, that
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Speaker 4: kind of makes your job a little easier as a
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Speaker 4: general manager.
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Speaker 1: You told me something the other that I didn't realize
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Speaker 1: reading your your reports out loud.
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Speaker 2: Repeat that.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I probably picked that up from being fifteen
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Speaker 4: years with Ozzie and Hall of Fame player, hall of
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Speaker 4: Fame personnel, executive, Hall of Fame person you know. And
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Speaker 4: so been fifteen years of Ozzie watching how he operated
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Speaker 4: the meetings, you know, and as he never read his report.
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Speaker 4: Ozzie never wanted to really sway the room one way
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Speaker 4: or the other, you know. He wanted it to be
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Speaker 4: as organic as possible in terms of how God has
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Speaker 4: felt about a player. He didn't he didn't want his
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Speaker 4: opinions swaying anything. We really wanted to avoid a group
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Speaker 4: thing phenomenon. So I kind of carried that over when
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Speaker 4: when I had the opportunity to start running draft meetings.
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Speaker 2: And so I never really read my reports.
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Speaker 1: And you know, you may read them out loud to
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Speaker 1: the room, right if somebody doesn't trying to suck up
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Speaker 1: to the boss and change their grade.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, or someone just yeah, a younger scout that may
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Speaker 4: not have as much conviction or may not you know,
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Speaker 4: have as much confidence in his ability, like well, well,
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Speaker 4: you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go the side of
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Speaker 4: the GM or like I'm going to change them up.
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Speaker 4: And that's the exact opposite of what we're looking for.
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Speaker 4: You know, we want your conviction. You're the one that's
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Speaker 4: done in the work as a scout, like you know
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Speaker 4: this player better than anybody, Like we want like you
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Speaker 4: you have to you have to be strong in what
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Speaker 4: you think. So you know, as a leader, you don't
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Speaker 4: wanna you don't want to sway that person one way
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Speaker 4: or the other. So you know, I went years without
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Speaker 4: reading any of my reports. So you know, it stacks
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Speaker 4: because I love writing reports. I love I love I
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Speaker 4: love painting the picture on what I think a player
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Speaker 4: is and how I think a player can help a team.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, it's uh, it's the essence of what we do.
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Speaker 4: Man, It's just it's just describing capturing a director or
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Speaker 4: a GM, a coach's attention in a minute and thirty
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Speaker 4: seconds to paint the picture of exactly who this, what
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Speaker 4: this player is, what he's all about, how he's gonna
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Speaker 4: help the team, where he fits on the depth chart,
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Speaker 4: if I'm excited, if I can't warm up to him,
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Speaker 4: Like that's that's the real beauty of scouting.
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Speaker 3: When you go around the room. Is there a time
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Speaker 3: limit on guys or it's like.
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Speaker 4: No, no, we don't put a time limit. We don't
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Speaker 4: put a time limit. I put that limit in my
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Speaker 4: own head because probably I'm I'm adhd so like you know,
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Speaker 4: I you know, with someone's long winded, someone's talking about
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Speaker 4: reading their report and it's five minutes, and guys are
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Speaker 4: like fading out, Like you're trying to avoid that, Like
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Speaker 4: we're trying to we're trying to capture. We're trying to
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Speaker 4: capture the GM and the and the head coach and
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Speaker 4: the owner if he's in the room, and like this
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Speaker 4: is what this guy can do for us, Like this
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Speaker 4: is a guy that's gonna come in here and help
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Speaker 4: us win games. And I want you to know exactly
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Speaker 4: how I feel about that.
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Speaker 1: Guy when you got her going to games, college games,
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Speaker 1: cout these guys. What can you get? I never knew this,
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Speaker 1: and I don't I've never asked a question. What can
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Speaker 1: you get by being there? Because you just up in
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Speaker 1: the press box, are in a stand that you couldn't
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Speaker 1: just get on the TV cop.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, press box. The press box is just where you
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Speaker 4: sit to watch the game. I think I think you
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Speaker 4: get the most. I mean when a players on the
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Speaker 4: field and you're in the press box, I mean you
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Speaker 4: can get that and more watching the tape. But but
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Speaker 4: you're there for all the things that you can't see
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Speaker 4: on television or you can't see on the tape. I
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Speaker 4: want to see a guy. I want to see a
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Speaker 4: guy warm up. I want to stand on the side.
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Speaker 4: I want to get a feel for his I want
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Speaker 4: to I want to be right next to him.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I.
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Speaker 4: Want to feel how big he like? I want to
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Speaker 4: see how big he is? Like, all right, how's this
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Speaker 4: guy put together? Like?
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Speaker 2: Can I can remember?
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Speaker 4: Like, here's a story, like I was at a Mississippi
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Speaker 4: State Auburn Thursday night game at Mississippi State and Auburn
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Speaker 4: that was a year.
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Speaker 2: Auburn won the national championship, so they had like nineteen seniors.
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Speaker 2: Mississippi State had a bunch of seniors. So I've got
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Speaker 2: my back to Auburn and.
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Speaker 4: I am I am writing notes on Mississippi State seniors
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Speaker 4: and all I hear for like two and a half
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Speaker 4: minutes is stoo. And I look back and I'm like,
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Speaker 4: why is this defensive end throwing the football?
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Speaker 2: And it's Cam Newton.
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Speaker 4: Like you could hear like I say that because you
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Speaker 4: could hear the ball jump out of his hands and
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Speaker 4: when it hit a receiver bad, Like, it just sounded different.
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Speaker 2: It looked and sounded different.
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Speaker 4: So like, those are things you can't like you can't
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Speaker 4: see from the television or tape. You can see how
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Speaker 4: a guy interacts with his teammates on the tape. That's
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Speaker 4: not the sideline. You're not getting the sideline, you know.
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Speaker 4: I think TV's a lot better now capturing sideline interactions.
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Speaker 2: With players and coaches.
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Speaker 4: But you didn't necessarily get that all the time, and
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Speaker 4: you're looking for all you're looking at all of that
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Speaker 4: at a game when you're watching the player interact with teammates,
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Speaker 4: interact with coaches. How seriously, is he how mature? Is
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Speaker 4: he like is you know, does he carry himself like
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Speaker 4: an alpha? Is this guy a dog? Like you're looking
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Speaker 4: at all those those things that you wouldn't otherwise see
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Speaker 4: on television or tape.
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Speaker 3: Give me some trade stories of trades it almost happened
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Speaker 3: but didn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, trades, it almost happened.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like there's been a lot of like, uh,
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Speaker 4: I made like thirty twenty calls trying to trade up
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Speaker 4: and get your mate. So a bunch of those didn't
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Speaker 4: didn't happen obviously, but we were able to get a
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Speaker 4: trade done with Tennessee to get Jermaine Johnson. I think
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Speaker 4: it's just a lot of my memories of the almost
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Speaker 4: or what could have been. I mean, you're there's so
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Speaker 4: much information coming at you during the draft and so
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Speaker 4: when you get locked in, like I talk about the
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Speaker 4: Jermaine trade, uh, just because that for me, that was
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Speaker 4: like that was like a really fun hour and a
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Speaker 4: half for me because we had we had picked we
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Speaker 4: had pick Sauce three, we had picked Garrett ten, and
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Speaker 4: I think after like the twelfth or thirteenth pick, you know,
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Speaker 4: Roberts like, hey, let's let's get Jrmine he's in our
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Speaker 4: top ten, Like, let's let's go get him, Like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: let's do it.
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Speaker 2: So you know, you're on the call. You're on the
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Speaker 2: phone from.
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Speaker 4: Basically pick thirteen to pick twenty six trying to get
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Speaker 4: done and you're you're trying to get.
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Speaker 2: Every pick is like here's where you go.
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Speaker 4: He's going right here, like we're missing out on him,
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Speaker 4: and uh, it's still lost. So you're just smiling and
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Speaker 4: dialing for two hours, you're just trying to like smile
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Speaker 4: and down man work the phone, was trying to get
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Speaker 4: a deal done and just the jubilee, like it felt
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Speaker 4: like ten hours because you're just talking, You're just calling
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Speaker 4: all these people. But they finally get that deal done
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Speaker 4: and get someone that everybody was excited about, you know,
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Speaker 4: and and I'm fired up for him. I know he
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Speaker 4: just got to fit your option picked up. But that
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Speaker 4: was just announced. So like to get a guy that
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Speaker 4: like loves football, which the main love football plays plays
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Speaker 4: so hard, place physical and just knowing like yeah, man,
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Speaker 4: like we worked really hard to get a really good player,
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Speaker 4: you know, and so that was fun.
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Speaker 3: You already, I know a lot of guys have great relationships.
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Speaker 1: You messed with each other, and I just remember being
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Speaker 1: in that Saints draft room and Bruce Allen calling and
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Speaker 1: trying to trade talk to them about trading up. The
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Speaker 1: Saints at that point, I think they had two first
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Speaker 1: rounders and they moved up to like number six. Forget
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Speaker 1: what it was or whatever was if I remember Bruce
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Speaker 1: Allen calling.
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Speaker 3: I'm saying that.
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Speaker 1: Bruce like like, what are you calling for? You don't
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Speaker 1: want to trade up for this pick? He's like, actually don't.
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Speaker 1: I'm just really bored right now. You get some of
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Speaker 1: those calls too, you know what your what's you're fun you?
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Speaker 1: Which I always loved. I loved uh.
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Speaker 4: I love John Dorsey because like, uh yo, he would
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Speaker 4: be the he's the best because he like four oh one.
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Speaker 4: On the trade deadline, he'll call and be like, hey,
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Speaker 4: I'll give you three first.
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Speaker 2: For that player. Hey, you're you're on the clock.
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Speaker 4: And I know, I know boalers talk about four because
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Speaker 4: him he worked together. But you're on the clock and
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Speaker 4: and Dors will call you and just be like we
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Speaker 4: doing We think like I'm working man, like you shoot,
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Speaker 4: all right, where are.
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Speaker 2: You gonna go here?
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Speaker 4: But it's so fun. I just that that stuff just
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Speaker 4: cracks me up. Man, cracks me up. He's the best.
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Speaker 1: Now, I know a lot of you know, you get
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Speaker 1: all your grades done and then you have the instrumental
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Speaker 1: hurdle of talking to your owner about it. You're a
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Speaker 1: former owner, is a known meddler, whatdy Johnson. But everyone
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Speaker 1: has to deal with this differently. When would you bring
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Speaker 1: the owner into what your thought process was and how
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Speaker 1: is that tightrope to convince them what you want.
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Speaker 3: To do instead of him?
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Speaker 1: Too many owners, I've said this to many owners like
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Speaker 1: you guys again, you've been scouting dress since Man. Also,
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Speaker 1: they want to come in the last couple of days
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Speaker 1: and tell you what you should draft, which makes no sense.
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Speaker 3: But talk about how you bring them in and how
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Speaker 3: difficult that is.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, well, for me, those those conversations happened
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Speaker 4: really towards the end of the season, right after the season.
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Speaker 4: You know, we would we present our off season plan,
16:36
Speaker 4: we'd present our free agent plan first and then we'd
16:39
Speaker 4: go into our draft plan. But really, I mean, those
16:42
Speaker 4: conversations are happening towards the end of season leading into
16:47
Speaker 4: the All Star Game. Combine, you know you're having those conversations,
16:50
Speaker 4: you're you're just relaying, you know, who the scouts are
16:53
Speaker 4: excited about, who you're excited about, and then as the
16:56
Speaker 4: coaches information comes in, you know, and you're just you're
16:59
Speaker 4: just constantly providing information on really who the guy, who
17:04
Speaker 4: the players, who the coaches and scouts, and who I'm
17:07
Speaker 4: excited about, and who I think can help the team,
17:09
Speaker 4: and you know, just uh and obviously you know, getting
17:14
Speaker 4: that getting the owner's opinion to and and talking through
17:17
Speaker 4: any questions or concerns that he may have on any
17:20
Speaker 4: particular player. But you know, for me, those conversations happened
17:24
Speaker 4: early and often in the offseason, so you're trying, you're
17:26
Speaker 4: trying to just do your best best you can just
17:29
Speaker 4: to communicate in a real and honest way who who
17:33
Speaker 4: the players are that are that are garnering the most
17:35
Speaker 4: excitement in the group.
17:37
Speaker 1: Well, was there like a final like all right, one
17:39
Speaker 1: last being in, Hey, this is our plan?
17:41
Speaker 3: Those would be like this is what we're doing.
17:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah for for me.
17:45
Speaker 4: For me, I'm sure everyone does it differently, but for me,
17:49
Speaker 4: that was the that was the day of the the
17:52
Speaker 4: day of the draft. Wow, that that morning of the
17:57
Speaker 4: draft where I would literally have every scenario on paper,
18:02
Speaker 4: basically a map for for ownership to follow, Like, Okay,
18:06
Speaker 4: these these are the players if if this player gets
18:09
Speaker 4: to pick five or six, Like, these are the four
18:12
Speaker 4: players that we would trade up for if they're there. Okay,
18:16
Speaker 4: if they're gone, we're gonna stay put. And if these
18:18
Speaker 4: five players are here, we're gonna we're gonna be really
18:21
Speaker 4: happy to turn the card in. All right now, if
18:24
Speaker 4: those players are gone, this group of players, we're gonna
18:27
Speaker 4: be happy to turn the card into. But we're gonna
18:29
Speaker 4: field calls on on a trade back situation. You know,
18:33
Speaker 4: so you're you're basically like I would just essentially here,
18:36
Speaker 4: here is the roadmap for tonight, Like this is exactly
18:40
Speaker 4: what you can expect, Like how exactly how you think
18:43
Speaker 4: it's gonna go down? And who you know, if these
18:46
Speaker 4: guys are here, we're gonna be aggressive. These guys aren't.
18:48
Speaker 4: We're gonna let the board come to us. And then
18:50
Speaker 4: if these guys, these guys are here, like, let's let's start,
18:53
Speaker 4: let's start.
18:53
Speaker 2: Talking trade back.
18:55
Speaker 3: I heard you tell me this.
18:56
Speaker 1: I was told that he wanted here, he took sauce,
18:59
Speaker 1: he wanted multiple receivers instead of sauce.
19:02
Speaker 3: So what is that a yes or no? And B
19:05
Speaker 3: how is that conversation of trying to convince them.
19:07
Speaker 2: Know, this is what we're doing.
19:09
Speaker 4: You know, I think it's no different than the conversation
19:11
Speaker 4: you'd have with the coach that was that that kind
19:14
Speaker 4: of saw things differently. But I mean, ultimately, you know,
19:18
Speaker 4: wide receiver is a premium position. You know, I feel
19:22
Speaker 4: like the pre all the premium positions affect the pass game,
19:25
Speaker 4: right quarterback, wide receiver, offensive tackle, pass rusher, and corner,
19:30
Speaker 4: and so you know, ultimately it's it's another opportunity to
19:34
Speaker 4: get a premium, premium position and sauce premium premium corner
19:41
Speaker 4: and premium person, you know, and we are definitely going
19:45
Speaker 4: to get that premium wide receiver as well. And we
19:49
Speaker 4: were very we were very fortunate, I mean to be
19:52
Speaker 4: honest that Garrett was there when we picked you, because
19:55
Speaker 4: I mean, this also wasn't the first corner taken and
19:59
Speaker 4: Garrett wasn't the first wide receiver takens. So we were
20:02
Speaker 4: very fortunate to get both those guys. So I feel
20:05
Speaker 4: like we came out of that process with two premium
20:08
Speaker 4: players or premium positions that are quality, quality people and
20:12
Speaker 4: quality players.
20:13
Speaker 3: Did he ever veto a pick for you?
20:16
Speaker 4: No, no, no, never never vetoed a pick, you know.
20:20
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I feel like there was there was
20:22
Speaker 4: always constant communication and you know, I feel like when
20:26
Speaker 4: it when it came down to it, we were all
20:29
Speaker 4: on the same page about who we're going to take.
20:32
Speaker 1: Give me some of the cooler stories when you either
20:34
Speaker 1: gotten on the phone, are you gonna draft a kid
20:37
Speaker 1: orhen you first met him, like after you drafted him.
20:40
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I tell you, the first time I met
20:44
Speaker 4: Olu last year was just a great, a great experience. Forshana,
20:51
Speaker 4: who was who had picked at number of number eleven.
20:54
Speaker 4: He's just an awesome, awesome guy, you know, just a
20:58
Speaker 4: blue collar mindset, great family, great person.
21:02
Speaker 2: You know.
21:02
Speaker 4: I feel like you can say that about a lot
21:04
Speaker 4: of the guys that we took high.
21:06
Speaker 2: Like the cool There's been some good phone calls.
21:09
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, when you're when you're on a call
21:11
Speaker 4: and the emotions are going, you know, and the tears
21:15
Speaker 4: are flowing. You can hear the guys crying, you know,
21:19
Speaker 4: and the family is going berserk in the background.
21:22
Speaker 2: Just just to just to experience that, just to just to.
21:25
Speaker 4: Kind of be with them on that that moment, that
21:29
Speaker 4: milestone moment in their life and just realizing like all.
21:33
Speaker 2: The hard work that they put in, all the family support.
21:36
Speaker 4: That they've gotten, just like, I don't know, it's not
21:39
Speaker 4: the end, this is this is just a checkpoint for them,
21:41
Speaker 4: but it's a huge milestone. And not many people on
21:44
Speaker 4: the planet can say they've been drafted by an NFL team.
21:48
Speaker 4: But just when that emotion hits them and you know,
21:52
Speaker 4: they're cracking up and they're crying, like that's a that's
21:55
Speaker 4: a wild moment, and you feel like very grateful to
21:58
Speaker 4: be able to just be a part of that, to
22:02
Speaker 4: share that share that moment with them and their families.
22:05
Speaker 3: It's try.
22:05
Speaker 1: I've trained a lot of kids coming out into the
22:08
Speaker 1: draft and unbreakable and a couple of things I tell
22:11
Speaker 1: them things they didn't realize, you know. One of them was,
22:14
Speaker 1: you know, they thought, oh, they're cannet draft or they're
22:16
Speaker 1: gonna have draft parties, and like, are you going to
22:18
Speaker 1: that team? Like now, there's no draft parties after you
22:21
Speaker 1: go into the team, and they're like no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
22:25
Speaker 1: you're going that night, dude, there's no draft parties and
22:28
Speaker 1: hanging out and seeing family it's the next that night,
22:33
Speaker 1: and I don't think they realize that, right.
22:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:35
Speaker 4: Look, it's like when you win a game, you celebrate it,
22:38
Speaker 4: You celebrate it for a little bit, and then it's on.
22:41
Speaker 4: You know, You're you're going on. Like this is almost
22:43
Speaker 4: like that. I mean, it's a bigger mouse. It's more
22:44
Speaker 4: important than just one game. But but like this is
22:48
Speaker 4: just a step, This is just a checkpoint in your career. Like, yeah,
22:52
Speaker 4: celebrate this with your family and the loved ones everyone
22:55
Speaker 4: you hold deer and tied to you. But like it's
22:57
Speaker 4: go time now, Like this is this is just starting,
23:00
Speaker 4: you know, and the expectations are that you you are
23:03
Speaker 4: going to roll and you're gonna come here and hit
23:04
Speaker 4: the ground running and be and be the dude that
23:07
Speaker 4: we all think you're going to be.
23:08
Speaker 1: And the other one, I was telling them I was
23:10
Speaker 1: with another team. They're like, hey, I was with them
23:13
Speaker 1: and I picked up a draft pick with them just
23:17
Speaker 1: for experience from the airport. Run them back the facility,
23:20
Speaker 1: and the dude looks at me and like that first
23:23
Speaker 1: day you get there, you guys, these guys feel out
23:25
Speaker 1: like tax forms and none of these guys have that
23:29
Speaker 1: life skill of life experience and the.
23:31
Speaker 3: Guy looks at me, had to fill out this tax
23:33
Speaker 3: form and I'm like, fuck, don't look at me, but
23:35
Speaker 3: it's right.
23:36
Speaker 1: But I'm telling these guys we get ready for the
23:38
Speaker 1: comment or for the draft, be ready.
23:41
Speaker 3: This is the type of stit you have to be
23:42
Speaker 3: ready for. You got to find out from your guys.
23:44
Speaker 2: Like that's a.
23:45
Speaker 1: Pretty wild thing, Like like what's their process when they
23:48
Speaker 1: get to that team?
23:49
Speaker 3: The different stuff that you put them through.
23:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they've come on one of our pre
23:54
Speaker 4: draft visits, because you get thirty pre draft visits each year.
23:58
Speaker 4: I mean we pretty much put them through the ring
24:00
Speaker 4: of what their day is gonna look like at a
24:03
Speaker 4: heightened level, like there's a touch point with every single department,
24:07
Speaker 4: football ops. We put them through mock interviews, uh, press interviews,
24:12
Speaker 4: like we hit We've hit them with player engagement, Like
24:15
Speaker 4: they spend a lot of time with player engagement.
24:17
Speaker 2: To go through a lot of what you just just.
24:19
Speaker 4: Describe the financials and like where you're gonna live, like
24:23
Speaker 4: getting you set up in a new town.
24:26
Speaker 2: You know.
24:26
Speaker 4: Uh So, like if they've come on a pre draft visit,
24:30
Speaker 4: they they kind of know what to expect. But if
24:31
Speaker 4: not like, well, then they're just getting they're just getting
24:35
Speaker 4: a length lengthier version of our our pre draft. Is
24:37
Speaker 4: it like you you come here, you're going through the washer, right,
24:40
Speaker 4: You're gonna hit equipment and and uh medical training, uh
24:45
Speaker 4: football engagement, Like you know, the first thing they're gonna
24:50
Speaker 4: do is they're gonna spend a lot of time with
24:51
Speaker 4: with player engagement, just to make sure that they get
24:53
Speaker 4: set up with everything they need in this new environment.
24:56
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think about that.
24:58
Speaker 1: Also, yeah, you moved, you got you go find a
25:01
Speaker 1: home and find a car and find Yeah, it's just yeah, yeah,
25:04
Speaker 1: and I think the real the outside world doesn't realize that.
25:07
Speaker 1: And they're also like they're twenty one years old, Like
25:09
Speaker 1: I didn't know shit when I was twenty one.
25:10
Speaker 3: I don't know how to do this stuff, you know.
25:12
Speaker 2: And yeah, so who's coming with you? You know?
25:15
Speaker 4: Are you coming by yourself or is your is your
25:18
Speaker 4: mom coming to your dad? Coming girlfriend? Or we know,
25:21
Speaker 4: like who's coming with you? Because we it's really like
25:24
Speaker 4: we were not just draft We never thought it was
25:27
Speaker 4: we're just drafting the player. We're drafting that entire person's ecosystem,
25:31
Speaker 4: you know that, Like that's how we we we think
25:34
Speaker 4: about it. That's why we put so much work and
25:36
Speaker 4: effort into to to try to find out what this
25:39
Speaker 4: person's all about. So you know, we're trying. It's a
25:42
Speaker 4: full on education for the player on what to expect here,
25:46
Speaker 4: How can we help you? This is what you can
25:48
Speaker 4: expect from a living standpoint, car taxes, Like we our
25:54
Speaker 4: engagement team did a good job with attacking that.
25:57
Speaker 3: Two more questions for it.
25:58
Speaker 1: One, who's the most impressive kid you ever interviewed that
26:02
Speaker 1: you didn't draft?
26:05
Speaker 4: Man? I didn't interview my set in. I was a
26:07
Speaker 4: personnel assistant back in Baltimore.
26:10
Speaker 5: But it was a Kwam Bolden and it was at
26:14
Speaker 5: the combine and he just was he was everything.
26:21
Speaker 2: He was everything.
26:22
Speaker 4: He was such and he ended up being perfect fit
26:25
Speaker 4: for the Ravens and helped helped us win a Super
26:27
Speaker 4: Bowl in twenty twelve. But when he walked out, it
26:31
Speaker 4: was like, oh damn, like this guy, this guy is
26:35
Speaker 4: ray Lewis as a wide receiver. Like this guy is
26:38
Speaker 4: an absolute just tough as nails, badass. You know, It's
26:45
Speaker 4: just like he was serious, but it was a man
26:48
Speaker 4: a few words, but everything was everything was all ball
26:52
Speaker 4: and like imposing imposing my will on other people and
26:56
Speaker 4: all the stuff that just kind of makes your hair
26:58
Speaker 4: stand on end. And he walked out of a room
27:01
Speaker 4: and everybody's like, oh, yeah, man, that guy's are raven
27:04
Speaker 4: for sure, Like that is a bad dude, you know, Like,
27:09
Speaker 4: and we didn't we didn't draft him. He went second round.
27:11
Speaker 4: He didn't run, he didn't run a great forty. But
27:14
Speaker 4: that's one of the better wide receivers of that era.
27:17
Speaker 4: And it was just because of what he was all
27:18
Speaker 4: about as a as a dude, and as a competitor
27:21
Speaker 4: and as a tough guy. And you know, when we
27:23
Speaker 4: had the opportunity to trade for him and Ozzie had
27:24
Speaker 4: the opportunity to trade for him, like that really solidified
27:27
Speaker 4: the team.
27:29
Speaker 3: He's like a dude from three hundred playing football.
27:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's right right, Like that is a guy like
27:34
Speaker 4: you know, describe it and scouting like dark alley guy,
27:37
Speaker 4: foxhole guy. Right, those are the guy like who do
27:40
Speaker 4: I want next to me in in a dogfight? Like
27:43
Speaker 4: yeah that like Inmolden, Yeah, that's your guy, you know.
27:46
Speaker 4: And there's there's there's always a good group of those
27:49
Speaker 4: guys in every draft. But like you know, just try
27:52
Speaker 4: to surround your show as many those guys as possible.
27:56
Speaker 3: I love it well, Joe d Man, I cannot tell
27:57
Speaker 3: you how excited I am man to do this with
27:59
Speaker 3: you this week. It's gonna be awesome.
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Speaker 2: Dude.
28:01
Speaker 3: I go one more question for you. I leave this
28:03
Speaker 3: with all my guests.
28:04
Speaker 1: I know we haven't talked this way in this podcast,
28:06
Speaker 1: but and ask everybody.
28:08
Speaker 3: For the unbreakable moment we could all learn from those things.
28:10
Speaker 1: Give me the moment in life, career, whatever it is
28:13
Speaker 1: it could have broken you shouldn't but didn't.
28:16
Speaker 3: As a result, you came through the other side of
28:17
Speaker 3: the tunnel stronger forever.
28:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean i'd go I probably have one for
28:22
Speaker 4: each life and career life probably just you know, being
28:27
Speaker 4: the kid that was constantly picked on and for a size,
28:33
Speaker 4: you know, because I mean I haven't grown an inch
28:35
Speaker 4: since eighth grade, you know, so like I was always
28:39
Speaker 4: I was always a big.
28:40
Speaker 2: Kid, and I was a target for a lot of
28:44
Speaker 2: older kids bullying.
28:45
Speaker 4: But football, football was the place I felt normal, you know,
28:51
Speaker 4: where I felt okay, I belong. So I football saved
28:55
Speaker 4: my life in many ways, not so much from I mean,
28:59
Speaker 4: just from making me feel like this is a place
29:01
Speaker 4: where I belong, where I feel like I belong, but
29:03
Speaker 4: also the teamwork discipline that it instills in you, you know,
29:09
Speaker 4: working for more than just yourself, you know, work working
29:12
Speaker 4: as a unit to achieve greatness.
29:15
Speaker 2: Like so many, so many.
29:16
Speaker 4: Things about football have changed my life, you know, you know,
29:20
Speaker 4: and obviously you know, this was the first time I've
29:23
Speaker 4: ever been fired from a job this past November, so
29:27
Speaker 4: it's certainly not going to break me. You know, I've uh,
29:31
Speaker 4: you know, you do, you do, I know, we had
29:33
Speaker 4: a conversation. You you kind of sit, you sit in
29:36
Speaker 4: the in the craft for a little bit and you
29:38
Speaker 4: just kind of go through everything that didn't work out,
29:42
Speaker 4: what you could have changed, what you could have done differently,
29:45
Speaker 4: and you got to come come out on the other side, energize,
29:48
Speaker 4: ready to go. And then what makes me very previously
29:53
Speaker 4: that this Thursday night, we can we can get together
29:56
Speaker 4: and talk about the draft, not letting the draft class
29:58
Speaker 4: go without knowing who the these guys are, and we
30:00
Speaker 4: can you know, we I've watched all these guys and
30:04
Speaker 4: you know, we can we can talk about each of
30:05
Speaker 4: them as they come through the board, and then you
30:07
Speaker 4: know what's next after after that, Like you know, I
30:11
Speaker 4: feel good about about the opportunities that are out there,
30:15
Speaker 4: and you know, you're you're really re energized into into
30:20
Speaker 4: into knowing, like yeah, man, I am, I am that
30:23
Speaker 4: guy that can that can help help a team win
30:25
Speaker 4: a championship. Still, so like, yeah, I'd say those two
30:30
Speaker 4: things for sure.
30:31
Speaker 3: Love it man.
30:32
Speaker 1: Well again, Jod's with me and Jenny Taft and LeVar
30:35
Speaker 1: Arrington on Fox Sports Radio on Thursday night for the Draft.
30:38
Speaker 1: I mean, I I love these kind of talks because
30:41
Speaker 1: you know, obviously the drafts gets more attention now than
30:43
Speaker 1: ever has, but people don't really know the inside and
30:46
Speaker 1: have somebody like you to be able to pull back
30:48
Speaker 1: that curtain a little bit and show the fans this
30:50
Speaker 1: is what happens when you're on the clock, this is
30:52
Speaker 1: what you're looking for for these certain guys, this is
30:54
Speaker 1: what comes up on these pre draft meetings.
30:56
Speaker 3: It's invaluable.
30:57
Speaker 2: I appreciate you, brother, Yeah, man, I'm gonna have fun.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe Douglas, thanks for being our guest and
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