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30. This Pain Is Not Mine: A Life of Legacy, Healing and Family Constellations with Michelle Blechner · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy: Kiona and welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy: I'm your host, Tracy Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators for and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea, and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
• 0:23
  Tracy: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
• 0:34
  Tracy: Everyone, welcome to Constellations and all that.
• 0:37
  Tracy: We are already halfway through the year.
• 0:39
  Tracy: It's, it's amazing how fast this year has gone, and I've had a little bit of a hiatus in my recordings and my interviews, my conversations really.
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  Tracy: So today I have the pleasure of chatting with Michelle Blacker.
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  Michelle: So welcome Michelle.
• 0:55
  Michelle: Thank you for having me, Tracy.
• 0:57
  Michelle: You know?
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  Michelle: Yeah.
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  Michelle: Me and my complicated name, you know.
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  Tracy: Oh, I think it's fascinating.
• 1:03
  Tracy: I think names are fascinating and I love, I love to get it right and even for me for spelling, you know, people spell my name wrong all the time, so I like to, it's, for me, it's an important thing.
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  Tracy: It's a kind of an honoring thing as much as I can, and
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  Michelle: especially because it's got right in your name.
• 1:20
  Tracy: Mm. There's energy to that.
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  Tracy: Right.
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  Tracy: Energy to that.
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  Tracy: Okay.
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  Tracy: So Michelle, I would love for you to introduce yourself to the listeners and the viewers, uh, to share a little bit about yourself, whatever you wanna share.
• 1:34
  Michelle: I mean, um, you know, there is so much, look, I'm an old lady, you know, so if you want me to share my life, we are gonna be here for a few hours.
• 1:44
  Michelle: But, um, uh, I think, uh, that the reason why you invited me is because you know me as a cons leader.
• 1:52
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 1:57
  Michelle: Um, facilitator.
• 2:00
  Michelle: I mean, I will say that, uh, I go a little further.
• 2:04
  Michelle: It is more like systemic, uh, work because I, uh, I deal also with, uh, business.
• 2:11
  Michelle: Um, and, um, uh, and that is, um, for me important because.
• 2:17
  Michelle: I was in, in business all my life and I'm only incarceration for the past 15 years.
• 2:24
  Michelle: But nothing happened by chance.
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  Michelle: And it was a, you know, the circumstances that brought me here after a long journey, a spiritual journey, uh, that I started about 40 years ago and, uh, brought me.
• 2:41
  Michelle: To have a parallel life, my business life and my everyday life, and also my spiritual life where I worked with many, many, many teachers.
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  Michelle: And when, um, the last business that I had started, I had to be closed up because of the economy.
• 3:00
  Michelle: In 2008, I turned to incarceration because I became a coach.
• 3:06
  Michelle: Immediately I was, um, exposed to consideration and for me it was, um, and became at that moment a purpose, a passion more than a, mm-hmm.
• 3:20
  Michelle: More than a, a job or, um, a career.
• 3:23
  Michelle: It is more like a finding, um, my reason to be here.
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  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
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  Tracy: It really has that effect, doesn't it?
• 3:34
  Tracy: Often say, when Constellation finds you.
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  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
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  Michelle: Constellation finds me exactly when it was supposed to find me, when I was ready for it, and automatically I went all the way because this is my way of dealing with things.
• 3:52
  Michelle: And I, uh, immediately trained, uh, with um.
• 3:58
  Michelle: Many teachers, but, uh, mainly, um, Suzie Tucker and, uh, mark Wallen who wrote, um, he did not start With You.
• 4:07
  Michelle: I also worked with, uh, Bert Inger.
• 4:10
  Michelle: Of course, I worked twice with him.
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  Michelle: I. Once in, uh, Spain and then in Mexico, just before he passed away.
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  Michelle: And, um, and many, many, many teachers, and I even introduced teachers to the, uh, world, uh, in United States because after I, um, went to a world conference in systemic work in Slovenia, sometimes I think it was in the.
• 4:39
  Michelle: Um, 2016 or something like that.
• 4:44
  Michelle: I really was amazed to see the application that it could have in business and in other, uh, you know, in society and, uh, in culture, et cetera.
• 4:56
  Michelle: So I trained then, uh, very intensely with, um, John Jacobs.
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  Michelle: Mm. I'm the director of, um, the, um, Inger Institute of the Netherland, and I even invited him to come to Miami at the time where I was living among, with all the teachers that I, uh, did when I create the organization that, uh, for name, um, mosaic, mosaic.
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  Michelle: The movement, I, um, was inspired by this name because it was.
• 5:31
  Michelle: Miami organizational systemic approach for an international community.
• 5:36
  Michelle: Mosaic.
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  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
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  Michelle: Because life is a movement and consolation is a movement.
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  Michelle: I call it mosaic, the movement.
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  Michelle: And uh, it was very interesting because when we start this organization, uh, six months in, we had the last teacher that came live in Miami, which was Jen Jacob, because after that it was COVID, but we were able to immediately convert it to Zoom.
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  Michelle: So I can say that we were really a precursor at the time, pioneer, because we immediately shifted and it worked very well.
• 6:17
  Michelle: And consequently, um, I start working more and more on Zoom, of course, because of COVID, and then made the decision to move back to New York.
• 6:27
  Michelle: Where my family, my daughter and their family live, uh, to be closer because we did not know what was going to happen at the time.
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  Michelle: So here I am living in New York, spending a lot of time in Miami because I go there every couple of months.
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  Michelle: I have a very nice, uh, uh.
• 6:45
  Michelle: Platform there, and also traveling all over the world.
• 6:48
  Michelle: I'm, I'm living for France.
• 6:50
  Michelle: Um, next week actually, uh, sometimes, uh, at the end of the week, I'm, I'm going to work in France for the first time, mostly in French.
• 6:59
  Michelle: We'll see what will happen then, and that's it.
• 7:03
  Tracy: Beautiful,
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  Michelle: beautiful.
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  Tracy: And French is your.
• 7:07
  Tracy: France.
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  Michelle: Yeah.
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  Michelle: Yeah.
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  Michelle: This is where I was born.
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  Michelle: I was born in France.
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  Michelle: Uh, during the war I moved to United States, um, after many different circumstances, uh, when I was 31.
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  Michelle: And, um, I, um, married my husband, uh, had a daughter who has, who gave me grandchildren, which is always a gift, you know?
• 7:32
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
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  Michelle: And, uh, this is where I am.
• 7:36
  Tracy: Beautiful.
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  Tracy: You've had quite an adventurous life from what I gather, what I feel, and, and just having, I did a little bit of work with you and Susie Tucker a few years ago online, obviously through the COVID experience or just towards the end of it.
• 7:52
  Tracy: And I remember being really in, admiring your zest, your energy, and um, and I might be just imagining this, but I, I feel like you've had quite an adventurous life.
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  Michelle: Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I have a lot of energy.
• 8:08
  Michelle: I'm blessed with that, uh, especially that, uh, you know, not, I'm not a young, uh, chicken here.
• 8:14
  Michelle: Uh, I just turned recently, 82.
• 8:18
  Michelle: It's already there, you know, but I'm blessed with, uh, a good memory, a good, uh, a good brain, and my heart is talking to my brain.
• 8:28
  Michelle: So we have a good combination.
• 8:30
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 8:32
  Tracy: So I'm gonna just drop this question in 'cause I haven't asked it for a little while, but how would you describe Constellations?
• 8:40
  Tracy: Either family or systemic, or both?
• 8:43
  Tracy: Mm.
• 8:44
  Michelle: You know, we, we are all part of a system.
• 8:48
  Michelle: We born in a system and then we built system.
• 8:53
  Michelle: We joined system and, um, all those system actually.
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  Michelle: Have something in common.
• 9:02
  Michelle: They are principles and uh, we live in the universe that is ruled by love and order.
• 9:09
  Michelle: And systemically we see that When we apply those two uh rules, then things work better.
• 9:17
  Michelle: It's a therapeutic philosophy.
• 9:20
  Michelle: Consolation and, uh, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm sure that you know, and, uh, if you have a lot of podcast with people in, um, consolation, they all say the same.
• 9:33
  Michelle: It's very interesting the way it.
• 9:36
  Michelle: Came along to Inger, that was a priest and a missionary, and went to, um, Africa, uh, to work with Zulu.
• 9:47
  Michelle: You know, um, very interestingly enough by, I would not say by chance because nothing happened by chance, Zulu means cosmos and in know cosmos in the, um, you know, the constellation.
• 10:00
  Michelle: Why is it cold?
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  Michelle: This because like.
• 10:02
  Michelle: Like stars, people move, you see.
• 10:06
  Michelle: And um, we are loyal, therefore we have a tendency to carry.
• 10:14
  Michelle: Some trauma, may it be generational, cultural, societal, and, um, we not aware of it, you see in my search for a spiritual, uh, you know, understanding because, uh, interestingly enough, as I said before, I was born during the war, world War II in France, and, uh, in, uh.
• 10:41
  Michelle: Mainly Jewish family.
• 10:44
  Michelle: So my family had been very, um, I would say very well, um, touched by the war in many ways.
• 10:57
  Michelle: Even the people that in my family were not Jewish.
• 11:00
  Michelle: My father was in Ssw, and when he came back from Ssw in terrible shape, he say, God does not exist.
• 11:11
  Michelle: I. To grow up with that statement from your parents, the man you know, in your life.
• 11:20
  Michelle: It's a very strong, um, uh, and difficult predicament.
• 11:28
  Michelle: Yeah.
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  Michelle: Because, uh, uh, it's scary.
• 11:30
  Michelle: Scary you see.
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  Michelle: And, um, so it took for me.
• 11:37
  Michelle: To go through some really very strong psychic experience.
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  Michelle: And it's interesting because recently this consolation 1 0 1, we don't realize things, um, until you are exposed.
• 11:56
  Michelle: To make discovery, we live with 20% of conscious mind and 80% of unconscious.
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  Michelle: And this is what consolation reveal is really giving you the insight and the awareness, and then you do whatever you want with it.
• 12:13
  Michelle: And, uh, if you are, um, ready, you can heal yourself.
• 12:17
  Michelle: But what happened is that when I was 20-year-old, I had an accident.
• 12:22
  Michelle: Very dramatic accident.
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  Michelle: I received something very, very heavy on my, for front here.
• 12:30
  Michelle: My, uh, yeah, with a certain, uh, speed actually.
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  Michelle: And, um, I almost, uh, died.
• 12:37
  Michelle: And it's interesting because, um, to make a long story short, I was, uh, reminded of it because it changed me.
• 12:47
  Michelle: It changed me in many ways, but.
• 12:50
  Michelle: Some that was not good, uh, because it made me, um, uh, in, uh, in this, uh, energy of violence
• 13:00
  Tracy: mm-hmm.
• 13:01
  Tracy: That
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  Michelle: in a way I was seeing with my father that, um, who could not sometimes contain his violence, not on people, but he will eat the wall or things like that, because it was so.
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  Michelle: Painful for him.
• 13:17
  Michelle: Uh, he came back in a very, very bad shape, but also it kind of, uh, opened up my third eye.
• 13:26
  Tracy: Mm.
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  Michelle: So that was the positive aspect of the accident, which I did not realize.
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  Michelle: And it took for somebody that was very important for me in the past, a relationship that I had for.
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  Michelle: Many years that, uh, recently made me notice that, and I realized, I say, oh my God, yes, it did.
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  Michelle: It shift and it allow me to open up little by little to things of the unknown, you see.
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  Michelle: And, uh, I start without even knowing at first.
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  Michelle: I start channeling.
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  Michelle: Way before I even heard of people like Abraham Hicks.
• 14:13
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Michelle: And, uh, because I was privileged to, uh, really be exposed to them, uh, 40 years ago when they first start.
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  Michelle: And I say, oh my God, this is what I'm doing.
• 14:24
  Michelle: But without knowing and I could verify every information that I was getting.
• 14:30
  Michelle: So it's interesting because it has nothing to do with conation in a way because consolation is not channeling.
• 14:39
  Michelle: It's, uh, having the ability to observe things in cos sensing, not just sensing, but in cos sensing to see, uh, the reality, to see the thing that we look at, but from the edges of the system.
• 14:57
  Michelle: Not really from the system, but from the edges, you see?
• 15:01
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 15:02
  Michelle: Because we have to become the people.
• 15:06
  Michelle: We have to become the representative.
• 15:09
  Michelle: The um, I'm talking about consolation here, but in real life we have to become our customer.
• 15:14
  Michelle: We have to become our patient.
• 15:16
  Michelle: If we are a doctor or therapist or whatever, we have to become our clients, you know?
• 15:23
  Michelle: Because it gives us co sensing, you see?
• 15:27
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 15:27
  Michelle: Not just something to look at and make a deduction.
• 15:32
  Michelle: It's so much deeper than that, and only conation does that to you.
• 15:40
  Tracy: I, I've also been aware of times when, before I, before I met Constellations and before I understood it, and I realized that there were times when I was representing for people and I didn't realize, and I would step in, I would feel things that were really different and I would say things and I think, oh, why did, why did I just say that?
• 16:02
  Tracy: Yeah.
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  Tracy: Yeah.
• 16:03
  Tracy: Often it would trigger things, you know, things would move along and I'd be like.
• 16:06
  Tracy: Mm mm So it's part of that, right?
• 16:09
  Tracy: You're representing, but it was in a unconscious and an unintentional way, but it was part of the field that was already existing around us at the time.
• 16:18
  Michelle: Look, we, we lived in the field and, uh, we are all connected.
• 16:23
  Michelle: Mm. So, uh, you know, and I do believe in that.
• 16:27
  Michelle: I don't know if, uh, if it's also in your belief system, but.
• 16:31
  Michelle: Uh, you know, I worked, I did a lot of, I work on past lives, you know, I worked with by Wise.
• 16:35
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 16:36
  Michelle: I worked all those type of, uh, modality and, uh, automatically you recognize people.
• 16:43
  Michelle: It's not just the recognition.
• 16:45
  Michelle: It's the recognition you see.
• 16:48
  Michelle: Yeah.
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  Michelle: The fact that when you are in a group, and that can be online or in person, but there is always.
• 16:57
  Michelle: Common points.
• 16:58
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 16:59
  Michelle: And if you start looking and talking, some are the same birthday, the same name for the children or the same experience.
• 17:08
  Michelle: Uh, I have a class every Monday morning.
• 17:12
  Michelle: From 11 to one and um, I always have groups.
• 17:16
  Michelle: It is never very, very large group, but people stop by if they, you know, if you have a question to ask or whatever it is, they know it's there.
• 17:24
  Michelle: It's there for 15 years.
• 17:26
  Michelle: So it's a place to stop by in a way.
• 17:29
  Michelle: And it's always amazing because if we discuss about one person, there is always five or six people that have.
• 17:40
  Michelle: An experience that is similar and they can get something out of it for themself just by those people talking about their experiences.
• 17:49
  Michelle: Yes.
• 17:49
  Michelle: So yeah, this is what we call synchronicities.
• 17:54
  Michelle: A very good way of seeing synchronicity.
• 17:58
  Michelle: Uh, best is conservation in the field.
• 18:03
  Tracy: It's constant.
• 18:04
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 18:06
  Tracy: Thinking about you spent, you've experienced work with Bert Linga in person.
• 18:11
  Tracy: I didn't get to have that opportunity.
• 18:13
  Tracy: Was there anything that really stands out for you that you learned during that time with him?
• 18:19
  Michelle: Oh, yes.
• 18:20
  Michelle: Uh, the interesting thing is that when we went to Spain, I went with, um, a group of people and we had a coup.
• 18:30
  Michelle: We made a movie.
• 18:31
  Michelle: We, uh, with their authorization.
• 18:33
  Michelle: We filmed everything that happened, um, that week in, um, I cannot remember the name of the place, but, uh, um, it's uh, where there's a photo as a photo as of the photo of El Al Alma, and it's close to Madrid and it is, it'll come back to me, the name of the, uh, city there.
• 18:56
  Michelle: And, um, it was beautiful.
• 18:59
  Michelle: It was very inspiring.
• 19:01
  Michelle: You know, Inger always innovate.
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  Michelle: It was never working the same way.
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  Michelle: And I love that about him, that he gave permission to all practitioners to really work their way because he say many flowers will bloom.
• 19:18
  Michelle: And he evolved so much during his lifetime that he did in a way.
• 19:22
  Michelle: You don't feel that you are, um, betraying him by working differently?
• 19:29
  Michelle: I work differently.
• 19:30
  Michelle: I work differently than Susie.
• 19:32
  Michelle: Differently than Mark who are my two main teachers, which I love.
• 19:36
  Michelle: And I love the fact that I learned with them at first because I love the combination of energy of Suzy that dance in the field and Mark that is so direct, you know, but Ellen Ger was.
• 19:51
  Michelle: He was not easy.
• 19:53
  Michelle: He was tough.
• 19:55
  Michelle: Okay.
• 19:55
  Michelle: After all, he was German.
• 19:56
  Michelle: Okay.
• 19:57
  Michelle: Which is not the sweetest way of speaking, you know?
• 20:02
  Michelle: And um, but it was very funny.
• 20:05
  Michelle: I remember we, we had interview with him and everything else, and besides the entire workshop.
• 20:13
  Michelle: That was taking place with like four, 500 people, uh, at the time, even more.
• 20:19
  Michelle: I think it was 800 people when we did it.
• 20:21
  Michelle: And um, but we had a little group one night.
• 20:26
  Michelle: Okay.
• 20:27
  Michelle: And it was interesting because at the time my husband was older than me and, um, he was starting to have dementia.
• 20:35
  Michelle: I ask a question and I say, you know, my husband is starting to be difficult because he has dementia.
• 20:44
  Michelle: What will you say about that?
• 20:46
  Michelle: You know, I was asking like a general question about
• 20:50
  Tracy: mm-hmm.
• 20:51
  Michelle: Dementia and he said to me, I think the best thing is death.
• 20:57
  Michelle: I say, for who?
• 20:59
  Michelle: I say You shoes.
• 21:01
  Michelle: He said to me, you shoes.
• 21:06
  Michelle: This was Inger in a nutshell.
• 21:08
  Michelle: Okay.
• 21:09
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 21:11
  Michelle: You decide.
• 21:12
  Michelle: I say, okay.
• 21:15
  Michelle: So he was, uh, he was an interesting guy.
• 21:19
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 21:19
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 21:21
  Tracy: Oh, brilliant.
• 21:22
  Tracy: Yeah, I've seen some, um, sometimes just the smile, the look that he gives people is enough to shift some things, right.
• 21:31
  Tracy: That gave people.
• 21:33
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 21:33
  Michelle: Like, uh, in France.
• 21:34
  Michelle: In France, we say he was a coca in United States, we will say he was, uh, rascal, you know?
• 21:42
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Michelle: But this is what he was, he was very, um, he had, uh, you know, very interesting sense of humor and, uh, he was all together very sweet and very tough.
• 21:55
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 21:56
  Michelle: Which is an interesting, uh, combination.
• 21:59
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 21:59
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 21:59
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 22:00
  Michelle: The, um, the place where Avila, the, uh, felt fortress of Avila.
• 22:06
  Michelle: Now it came back to me.
• 22:08
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 22:08
  Tracy: Wow.
• 22:09
  Tracy: The fortress of Avila.
• 22:11
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Michelle: And the, the workshop was called Forma and, um, it was, uh, it was really an experience and, um, we had, we still have.
• 22:24
  Michelle: A ton of footage, but nobody, nobody can do a movie with it because it's so much.
• 22:33
  Michelle: I have a little trailer.
• 22:34
  Michelle: I can send it to you if you wish.
• 22:36
  Tracy: That would be amazing.
• 22:37
  Tracy: That would be amazing.
• 22:38
  Tracy: Wow.
• 22:40
  Tracy: Surely there would be someone out there, maybe someone, maybe someone's gonna listen to this and, and, uh, somewhere in the world and, and,
• 22:49
  Michelle: yeah.
• 22:49
  Michelle: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:50
  Michelle: Wow.
• 22:51
  Michelle: I mean, everybody say, oh, it's too much.
• 22:53
  Michelle: Too much to deal with.
• 22:55
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Michelle: Too much footage.
• 22:57
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 22:58
  Michelle: But it was, it was really fascinating to be part of the experience.
• 23:04
  Michelle: Absolutely.
• 23:05
  Tracy: That sounds exciting.
• 23:06
  Tracy: I look forward to sharing that with um, or with viewing it and also sharing it as well, the trailer.
• 23:12
  Tracy: If you could send me that, that would be amazing.
• 23:16
  Michelle: I'll,
• 23:17
  Tracy: I saw something on your, um, your thread you shared about your mother and your grandmother and your aunt.
• 23:26
  Tracy: The aunt that and great grand.
• 23:28
  Tracy: Was it your great-grandmother that had been bombed?
• 23:31
  Michelle: No, my grandmother actually, I was, uh, I was 13 months old exactly to the day, uh, may 27.
• 23:40
  Michelle: Um, 1944, I fell asleep.
• 23:44
  Michelle: Um, my mother and I were hiding, of course I was a baby.
• 23:49
  Michelle: I fell asleep, and she did not go to her mom as she was supposed to that day for lunch and that day, um.
• 23:59
  Michelle: The entire neighborhood where my grandmother lived was bombed.
• 24:04
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 24:05
  Tracy: It was
• 24:05
  Michelle: bombed by the American, uh, because it was a, a German factory in the neighborhood.
• 24:12
  Michelle: Unfortunately, a lot of people in my grandmother family got, uh, uh, hurt.
• 24:18
  Michelle: Um, she herself spent a year in the hospital.
• 24:22
  Michelle: Her house was to the ground, and she lost my aunt, my mother's sister, who was only 18 and a half and pregnant with a baby.
• 24:35
  Michelle: She was, she had just gotten married.
• 24:37
  Michelle: So it was a big tragedy, of course, but my parents have suffered a lot from, uh.
• 24:45
  Michelle: Uh, from World War II because, uh, um, like I say, my father was in nsw, but they got married in 42.
• 24:54
  Michelle: He was only, um, arrested, uh, in 44.
• 24:58
  Michelle: And, uh, the day got married.
• 25:01
  Michelle: They got married, which was, um, July 16.
• 25:07
  Michelle: 1942 was a day when in Paris, because they were in Mae, in Paris, they gather all the Jews to bring them to what, uh, was a big arena called the Valdi.
• 25:23
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 25:25
  Michelle: Before they take everybody to o which, and no one survived everybody that they got.
• 25:32
  Michelle: Um, and.
• 25:34
  Michelle: The way it touched my family is that my mother's uncle lived in Paris with his wife and kids.
• 25:42
  Michelle: He wanted to go to the wedding.
• 25:45
  Michelle: Of course.
• 25:46
  Michelle: He told, um, his wife, you know, we're going to the wedding, and she say, are you crazy?
• 25:52
  Michelle: I'm not gonna travel across France, uh, from Paris to Marse with during the war with the two kids.
• 26:02
  Michelle: Okay?
• 26:02
  Michelle: So she did not go, he was spare.
• 26:06
  Michelle: And that day, the day of the wedding was the day of the, what they call a half.
• 26:12
  Michelle: So she was taken and had two kids and they never came back.
• 26:17
  Michelle: It was a lot of, um, very, um, sad story from that time in my family and extended family and friends, et cetera.
• 26:30
  Michelle: Absolutely.
• 26:31
  Tracy: So how was your father taken?
• 26:32
  Tracy: Was he taken that day as well?
• 26:35
  Michelle: He was taken to ssw, but um, in 44, not in 42.
• 26:39
  Michelle: In 44.
• 26:40
  Michelle: So he only stayed in Ssw for nine months, but he came back, he was like 79 pounds and he was a shadow himself.
• 26:51
  Michelle: It's interesting because not too long ago, couple of weeks ago, uh, a friend of mine did an interview for me in French and, um, from that interview.
• 27:03
  Michelle: E, um, concocted a song, created a song through ai.
• 27:12
  Michelle: Uh.
• 27:13
  Michelle: Artificial intelligence, it's amazing.
• 27:16
  Michelle: Okay?
• 27:17
  Michelle: And this song is, uh, based on my experience, but it's universal because how many people get touched by this kind of tragedy?
• 27:27
  Michelle: If it was not World War ii, it was World War.
• 27:29
  Michelle: If it's not.
• 27:30
  Michelle: France is Russia.
• 27:31
  Michelle: If it is not Russia is Ukraine.
• 27:34
  Michelle: I mean, uh, Israel, Iran, you, you name it.
• 27:38
  Michelle: Every part of the world has been in crisis and, and look at what's happening now.
• 27:44
  Michelle: But it's very interesting because he, he did it in French, of course.
• 27:48
  Michelle: I cannot listen to it without crying.
• 27:51
  Michelle: And then he translated in every language.
• 27:56
  Michelle: So E even translated, um, you know, in ibu it translated in du, you know, du it translated in, uh, I mean, every language possible.
• 28:10
  Michelle: But, um, I, I can send it to you in English or I can make it listen to you on.
• 28:17
  Michelle: Zoom right now, it's up to you.
• 28:20
  Michelle: But it's very powerful because in a way it's the essence of constellation.
• 28:26
  Michelle: The pain that we carry is not ours.
• 28:30
  Michelle: And I realized that.
• 28:31
  Michelle: It's interesting because when I, um, was pushed by my guys to go to work in France, I called Mark Wool because I knew that in Spanish.
• 28:44
  Michelle: The title of his book was es.
• 28:47
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 28:48
  Michelle: So I was wondering what was the title in French.
• 28:52
  Michelle: So I called him and he say the same thing, said This pain is not mine, which is more powerful as a title than it did not start with you.
• 29:11
  Tracy: Yeah, this pain is not mine.
• 29:13
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 29:13
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Michelle: And because when it's not yours, you can give it back.
• 29:18
  Tracy: Mm. You see, you have to, there's a lot of joy when I just feeling into that statement, isn't it?
• 29:25
  Tracy: Like this pain is not mine and it's like.
• 29:29
  Tracy: Joy Rise
• 29:31
  Michelle: Tracy, when I asked that, I don't know if you know about, uh, that for me, but I have an incredible, incredible, um, blessing.
• 29:43
  Michelle: Is that, um, about almost four years ago I was called by, uh, um, the organization of Tony Robbins.
• 29:57
  Michelle: To be a speaker in his, uh, um, happiness, uh, event, which is for the, what they call the, the plats, you know, the platinum members of his organization.
• 30:12
  Michelle: You know, Tony Robbins, of course.
• 30:13
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 30:13
  Michelle: Don't you, Tony Robbins?
• 30:15
  Michelle: Yep.
• 30:16
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 30:16
  Michelle: And that was an incredible, um, thing because, and, and it's not by chance again, it's not by chance because.
• 30:25
  Michelle: Since I have known consolation and realize that, uh, from a survivor I could become a thriver, and from a victim I could become a victor.
• 30:38
  Michelle: I had made the decision to spread the word for the work.
• 30:45
  Michelle: And uh, I was very fortunate because Miami, where I was at the time, is a very international city.
• 30:53
  Michelle: Actually, it's one of the three most international city in the world was Dubai and Singapore, and in my own living room I had 70 different country represented.
• 31:07
  Michelle: Wow.
• 31:09
  Michelle: And, uh, so I felt really that I was doing a good job in spread the word because this was my intention and I do believe in intention, you know, and then I always felt that it was important for men to be linked to this word, because after all, we, it is not just women, it's men too.
• 31:32
  Michelle: And they have a, and you always feel that the presence of men is minimum compared to women in any kind of groups.
• 31:43
  Michelle: Okay.
• 31:45
  Michelle: Even, I mean, not too long ago I went to, uh, something that Barry Cross was going, okay, is a man.
• 31:53
  Michelle: It was 50 people.
• 31:55
  Michelle: It was not one man.
• 31:56
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 31:58
  Michelle: Not one man.
• 31:59
  Michelle: Okay.
• 32:00
  Michelle: So that thing for me has always been important.
• 32:04
  Michelle: I choose because choosing is very strong statement.
• 32:09
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 32:09
  Michelle: I was choosing to spread the word and I was choosing to bring more men and told me, I mean, Tony.
• 32:18
  Michelle: Fell on my lap.
• 32:20
  Michelle: You know, this was incredible because his, uh, platform, I mean, his community is a lot of men.
• 32:28
  Tracy: Absolutely.
• 32:29
  Michelle: The men that go to Tony, they are between 25 and 65.
• 32:37
  Michelle: You don't have old men, not men my age.
• 32:40
  Michelle: You see, they are young men.
• 32:43
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 32:44
  Michelle: And I realize that actually being.
• 32:48
  Michelle: Exposed to me.
• 32:50
  Michelle: All those men have been a blessing.
• 32:55
  Michelle: And I've been really, um, realizing my dream to spread the word.
• 33:01
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 33:01
  Michelle: Because now I have all those men.
• 33:03
  Michelle: Because when you see me coming, this old lady, you know, with my white hand, everything else, I say, oh, what's she's going to do?
• 33:10
  Michelle: What's she's gonna say?
• 33:11
  Michelle: You know, I mean, they like, uh, they feel their mother or their grandmother is coming on stage, you know?
• 33:18
  Michelle: And then because I'm a badass, you know, I'm not, I go, I'm tough with them.
• 33:28
  Michelle: Okay.
• 33:29
  Michelle: And I'm really there.
• 33:31
  Michelle: And then they come to me and they say, what did you do to me?
• 33:35
  Michelle: And they start crying.
• 33:38
  Michelle: And the last time I was, uh, on stage for Tony was last, uh, winter I was in Abu Dhabi.
• 33:46
  Michelle: And uh, I made all those people, like 400 people, and it was at least 300 men there to say in their own language, this pain is not mine.
• 33:59
  Michelle: Wow.
• 34:01
  Michelle: It was not one eye that was dry.
• 34:04
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 34:05
  Michelle: Okay.
• 34:06
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 34:06
  Michelle: And that is amazing.
• 34:08
  Michelle: And I realized that actually, why do I attract those men between 25 and 65, still healing my father because my father left when he was 24 and he came back when he was, and he, and he died when he was 61, so it was, you know, and was sick all his life, so, yeah.
• 34:31
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 34:32
  Michelle: I am being blessed having so many men that come and work with me on their deep wounds that they did not blessing.
• 34:44
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 34:45
  Tracy: What a blessing you are.
• 34:47
  Michelle: You know, were aware they are and they will not go because those men, the businessmen mm-hmm.
• 34:54
  Michelle: They are, you know, all about power and money and um, success and here.
• 35:02
  Michelle: They lose it.
• 35:03
  Michelle: Okay.
• 35:04
  Michelle: And they become the little boy for a moment, you know?
• 35:08
  Michelle: And it's okay.
• 35:09
  Michelle: It's beautiful.
• 35:11
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Michelle: You know, and then they kind of feel the child that has been wounded this, this teenager that could not express whatever it is that you know, because it was something in a system that had been hurt.
• 35:30
  Michelle: Something, some hound, someone, some place, whatever it is you see and, and that such a gift.
• 35:39
  Tracy: And that flow on effect from that, you know, as they do that and they open up and they, they allow themselves to be vulnerable, to release that, to let go of that pain that's gonna make them better bosses, right?
• 35:53
  Tracy: Which means that, or better employees or better, uh, CEOs or whatever they are.
• 35:58
  Tracy: And that's gonna have that on flowing effect out there into the world as well.
• 36:02
  Tracy: How cool
• 36:04
  Michelle: The seed that's planting this way, it's amazing.
• 36:07
  Michelle: I. Mm. It's amazing.
• 36:09
  Michelle: And that for me is a great gift, a privilege to be able to do that.
• 36:16
  Tracy: You are inspiring me, you inspire me, you have since I first met you, so thank you.
• 36:23
  Tracy: And, um, yeah.
• 36:25
  Tracy: I'm just, I'm really gravitating again to that message behind you.
• 36:28
  Tracy: Love is all you need, right?
• 36:31
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 36:31
  Tracy: Love is all you need and.
• 36:35
  Tracy: The pain is not yours, so I would love to hear the song.
• 36:39
  Tracy: Um, is it available?
• 36:40
  Tracy: Do you want me to play it here?
• 36:42
  Tracy: Yeah, I'll send, it goes with Zoom.
• 36:44
  Tracy: I'm not sure how it's, if it's gonna bounce back or, um, but we'll give it a go.
• 36:48
  Tracy: If it doesn't, we can put it on the end of this.
• 36:51
  Michelle: I do, I've done it before.
• 36:52
  Michelle: What you, I can do for you is that if you mute yourself, okay.
• 36:57
  Michelle: When I play it Okay, then you can hear it and there is no interferences.
• 37:04
  Michelle: You
• 37:05
  Tracy: learn something new in journey?
• 37:07
  Michelle: I have, I, I have become very technologically inclined since I do Constellation.
• 37:14
  Michelle: You know, I mean, I'm the, uh, I'm laughing because I'm limited in my, uh, in my capacity, but still, still I can do it.
• 37:26
  Michelle: Okay, so let me see.
• 37:29
  Tracy: It's a little bit like putting something somewhere safe so you know where it is and then you can't remember where that safe spot is, right?
• 37:36
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 37:37
  Michelle: I, um, I had to find a way, but Okay.
• 37:39
  Michelle: I got it.
• 37:40
  Michelle: I got it, I got it.
• 37:42
  Michelle: I got this.
• 37:43
  Michelle: Pain is not mine, so mute yourself and I'll start it.
• 37:52
  Tracy: Close your eyes.
• 37:55
  Tracy: Breathe deeply.
• 37:59
  Tracy: Let yourself drift gently.
• 38:06
  Tracy: Leaning back on the back, rest of your chair, your ancestors, your father and your mother at ease.
• 38:14
  Tracy: Father on the right, mother on the left.
• 38:20
  Tracy: Even if time, their a gift, an open door to the grandparents.
• 38:32
  Tracy: Discover.
• 38:36
  Tracy: This pain is not mine.
• 38:41
  Tracy: With love and respect.
• 38:42
  Tracy: I return it to you so that my children and to live free with open heart, I'll live my life.
• 38:52
  Tracy: In Your honor, I'll do what you could not do without.
• 39:06
  Tracy: Is not last born in during the war?
• 39:14
  Tracy: A heavy name to bear on this earth.
• 39:17
  Tracy: My father in Auschwitz, my mother and I, hi.
• 39:20
  Tracy: In the tragedy that changed everything.
• 39:24
  Tracy: Save by a child.
• 39:26
  Tracy: Sleep while the neighbor became nothingness.
• 39:30
  Tracy: My father returned a shadow of himself.
• 39:47
  Tracy: A.
• 39:51
  Tracy: This pain is not mine.
• 39:54
  Tracy: With love and respect.
• 39:56
  Tracy: I return it to you so that my children and to live free with heart.
• 40:04
  Tracy: I'll live life.
• 40:07
  Tracy: I'll do you.
• 40:25
  Tracy: I saw my grandmother and my father after the beginning of my spiritual journey, a new.
• 40:37
  Tracy: We are creators.
• 40:39
  Tracy: We create our experience.
• 40:42
  Tracy: Then the constellations a.
• 40:52
  Tracy: This pain is not, I would love respect.
• 40:58
  Tracy: I return to you so that my children live heart.
• 41:07
  Tracy: I, your Honor, I.
• 41:26
  Tracy: Wow.
• 41:28
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 41:29
  Tracy: Wow.
• 41:31
  Tracy: I could feel so many emotions rising up in that, and it's just stunning.
• 41:37
  Tracy: And that is ai?
• 41:39
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 41:41
  Tracy: Wow.
• 41:41
  Tracy: It's ai.
• 41:43
  Tracy: Wow.
• 41:43
  Tracy: Your friend is very clever.
• 41:44
  Tracy: Like to put the words together and then to put that together to a song that's beautiful.
• 41:50
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 41:51
  Michelle: And I wanna tell you something, um, when you listen to it in your own language, it's even more powerful, you see?
• 41:59
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 42:01
  Michelle: Uh, and um, I made a lot of people listening to it already in a lot of different languages and Wow.
• 42:08
  Michelle: And it's, uh, I'm telling you, I, I, I listen to it in Spanish because I know Spanish, and it's also very powerful.
• 42:17
  Michelle: And for me, of course, French.
• 42:19
  Michelle: French, I cry.
• 42:23
  Tracy: Cry.
• 42:23
  Tracy: Beautiful.
• 42:25
  Tracy: What a gift.
• 42:26
  Tracy: Yeah, but not a legacy.
• 42:27
  Tracy: You are leaving, um, in this world or you are imprinting into this world.
• 42:32
  Michelle: Look, you know, it's, um, whatever happens after it, I feel good.
• 42:39
  Michelle: Because a lot of people benefit from the experience from mm-hmm.
• 42:44
  Michelle: My experience.
• 42:44
  Michelle: Because even if it is sit through that prism, uh, their own experience, you see, it's a feeling that you're not alone.
• 42:54
  Michelle: That other people also have known those things and, and it kind of, um, opened up doors for people to understand themselves better also.
• 43:06
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 43:07
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 43:08
  Michelle: This is what happened when we, and you know, it, you know, because you, you as a facilitator of consolation, uh, you understand that we are all connected in those experiences.
• 43:23
  Michelle: You see, and when you represent, you never represent by chance.
• 43:28
  Tracy: That's right.
• 43:29
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 43:31
  Michelle: There is always something for you there.
• 43:34
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 43:35
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 43:35
  Tracy: That's so.
• 43:36
  Tracy: It's so,
• 43:39
  Michelle: yeah.
• 43:40
  Michelle: It's a beautiful, beautiful gift that, uh, Allinger gave us all may be blessed for it, you know?
• 43:49
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 43:49
  Michelle: Because really, um, it's been, uh, it is been a journey, you know?
• 43:55
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Tracy: I love that you shared earlier that, that that was a piece of information that I didn't know, was that the word Zulu means cosmos.
• 44:04
  Michelle: Mm-hmm.
• 44:05
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Tracy: And the Zulu people have such an imprint and such a, a standing in this work as well, you know, with that, with all that they shared with Helena to bring this through.
• 44:20
  Michelle: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:22
  Michelle: And you know, uh, Tracy, what is amazing is that, um, because I work with so many international people, I have been privileged.
• 44:34
  Michelle: In my first experience with, uh, Tony, uh, as a speaker, because I, I knew Tony when he was 25, and I was, uh, myself 40 the first time I saw him a long time ago in New York.
• 44:49
  Michelle: But what happened that day is that I worked on a young German man.
• 44:59
  Michelle: He was, I think at the time he was 29.
• 45:03
  Michelle: And he was suicidal.
• 45:05
  Michelle: And I tell the story because he told it and he tell it every day.
• 45:10
  Michelle: And what it was, it was carrying this unconscious guilt of his ancestors.
• 45:20
  Michelle: And uh, he say that, I say this life.
• 45:24
  Michelle: Actually, he had come several times here, my grandchildren called me ish.
• 45:30
  Michelle: He called me ish and very recently he sent me a little video.
• 45:38
  Michelle: He had run his first consultation and everybody, the conation say thank you to me.
• 45:48
  Michelle: Very moving.
• 45:49
  Michelle: And since this kid, okay.
• 45:52
  Michelle: And his name is Danielle.
• 45:54
  Michelle: And, you know, we correspond very often.
• 45:57
  Michelle: And like I say, he, he feels that I am like a, a Seagate grandmother for, to him.
• 46:04
  Michelle: But since him, I have worked with a lot of young German
• 46:11
  Tracy: in
• 46:11
  Michelle: their twenties, in their thirties, in their forties, even some in their fifties.
• 46:17
  Michelle: That have been carrying that and conscious guilt that does not belong to them.
• 46:24
  Tracy: Yes.
• 46:25
  Michelle: And to be able to do that as a Jew whose father has suffered for, and my father always say is not the German people, is the politics is whatever it was, you know, it was uhler, was abuse.
• 46:44
  Michelle: Child.
• 46:45
  Michelle: Child, you know, only the abused children can be abusive as we know.
• 46:51
  Michelle: We see in consolation what's happened when his abuse a build card, he repeats.
• 46:57
  Michelle: It is a pattern, and what happened is that to be able to really give peace to all those young people, it's such a blessing.
• 47:09
  Tracy: It so is.
• 47:10
  Tracy: It's so beautiful.
• 47:13
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:14
  Tracy: Such a gift, Michelle.
• 47:16
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:17
  Tracy: I also find that I have a lot of young, uh, I have a lot of genuine people as well, and I mean, there are a lot of people that have, you know, migrated and, and they're at the point where, you know, they have to find peace in their life.
• 47:29
  Tracy: And a lot of people are really starting to know about constellations now, aren't they?
• 47:34
  Tracy: I think you know, that.
• 47:37
  Tracy: The more it's big known, the more people are seeking it out and it is such a powerful modality.
• 47:43
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 47:44
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 47:45
  Tracy: And what we can shift in a very short amount of time.
• 47:48
  Tracy: So, um, and, and I love that Mark is Avol, well, his book is represented in that, uh, TV series, another self.
• 47:58
  Tracy: So it's coming around in that cycle of things there.
• 48:03
  Tracy: But, um, yeah.
• 48:04
  Tracy: Mm-hmm.
• 48:06
  Tracy: That's such a blessing what you've just shared there, Michelle, because Yeah, when we can let go of the guilt on of the pain and the pain that doesn't belong to us, right.
• 48:16
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Michelle: And that, that feeling that you can give it back because if you owed money, you got to give it back the same thing.
• 48:25
  Michelle: So we give back and it's a service that we give in doing so it's not a punishment.
• 48:32
  Michelle: And when you say I do it with love, I do it with respect, you see, and I give it back to you because it doesn't belong to me.
• 48:41
  Tracy: Mm. And that's important, isn't it?
• 48:42
  Tracy: Because sometimes people wanna wanna give it back to you in a way that is like, I don't want this anymore.
• 48:51
  Tracy: Take it.
• 48:53
  Tracy: And it, I, I have to say to them, well, if you do, when you do that, it comes and bounces straight back to you.
• 49:00
  Tracy: You have to a place of peace or a place of love and and respect.
• 49:05
  Tracy: Hmm.
• 49:07
  Michelle: And, uh, it's why, uh, I was so amazed when I discovered conservation because it's really such a, a, a partner to universal laws, you know, and to understand how the universe works.
• 49:21
  Michelle: Uh, it's a beautiful combination you see.
• 49:25
  Michelle: What you resist, persist, you know, what you, um, push against, come back to you and what you intend with love, come back to you with love.
• 49:38
  Tracy: That's so true.
• 49:39
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 49:40
  Michelle: So you see, it's, it's all a question of, uh, understanding the way the universe works and what is the universe, but the field, god's, uh, soul, Mickey Mouse, whatever you call it, it doesn't matter.
• 49:55
  Michelle: It doesn't matter.
• 49:56
  Michelle: It is there, you see?
• 49:57
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 49:58
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 49:59
  Tracy: So, and it's available to us, right?
• 50:01
  Tracy: We have, we're just willing to ask and access it,
• 50:05
  Michelle: you know, the Yeah.
• 50:06
  Michelle: Ask.
• 50:07
  Michelle: And it is given, isn't it what they say?
• 50:09
  Tracy: Yeah, this is true.
• 50:12
  Tracy: So if, if someone wanted to get hold of you, if we just speak it here, and then I can put it also in the, in the link in the bio when we do that.
• 50:22
  Tracy: Um, when we released the podcast, how would someone get in touch with you if they wanted to work with you?
• 50:28
  Tracy: You do want, do you do online work with people still?
• 50:32
  Michelle: Sure, sure.
• 50:32
  Michelle: I work, I, I work full-time.
• 50:35
  Tracy: Yeah.
• 50:36
  Michelle: I work full-time.
• 50:37
  Michelle: I'm blessed with good, uh, health and, uh, until I can do it, you know.
• 50:43
  Michelle: Um, it's, for me, it's service, you know, and also it's, it's good because it keeps my mind sharp and, um, I, um, and I love what I do.
• 50:55
  Michelle: So, you know, when you do what you love, you never work.
• 51:00
  Michelle: It's always a pleasure.
• 51:01
  Michelle: So I have a website, which is Michelle Black note.com.
• 51:07
  Michelle: Uh, or the miss link@michelleblacknote.com.
• 51:12
  Michelle: This is my, um, entity.
• 51:16
  Michelle: I, uh, if people, uh, choose to join my, uh, mailing list, you know, I give information, uh, um, you know, uh, my daughters takes care of that because I'm not very organized for this kind of things.
• 51:32
  Michelle: Uh, but, uh, she, um, kind of publish it.
• 51:36
  Michelle: I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook.
• 51:38
  Michelle: My telephone number is (917) 701-7511.
• 51:45
  Michelle: I'm very accessible on the phone, on the WhatsApp or whatever.
• 51:50
  Tracy: So that's in, in New York and the, in New New York.
• 51:54
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 51:54
  Michelle: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:55
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 51:56
  Michelle: So it's a, it is a New York number and I'm, you know, I mean, I'm always.
• 52:02
  Michelle: Always answering phone, email, text, WhatsApp, whatever.
• 52:08
  Michelle: Yeah.
• 52:09
  Michelle: So beautiful,
• 52:10
  Tracy: beautiful.
• 52:12
  Tracy: Thank you so much for your time and, uh, I Pleasure.
• 52:16
  Tracy: My
• 52:17
  Michelle: pleasure.
• 52:17
  Michelle: Thank you for inviting me.
• 52:19
  Tracy: What a pleasure to have you here and share your wisdom and just to, yeah, to be in your presence.
• 52:25
  Tracy: I'm so grateful.
• 52:28
  Michelle: Thank you.
• 52:29
  Michelle: Thank you.
• 52:30
  Tracy: Thank you, Michelle.
• 52:31
  Michelle: Continue to Bye-Bye, dear.
• 52:33
  Tracy: Thank you for listening.
• 52:34
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  Tracy: So until next time, be kind to yourself and have fun doing it.