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Ep. 1153: Epic Mountain Biking with Alenka Vrecek Revisited · Adventure Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_01]: your listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk with adventures from around the globe to give you the inspiration you need to get started in the outdoors or keep moving if you're already there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now here's your host, Kurt Lindville.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hey friends, Kurt here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Thank you so much for listening to the Adventure Sports podcast today.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Happy Friday, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Episode 1153.
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[SPEAKER_04]: This is on Mountain Viking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's a revisited episode.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mason interviewing a link of Retchek.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And it's super cool.
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[SPEAKER_04]: She mountain-baked.
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[SPEAKER_04]: From Tahoe, down to Baja.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I think you're going to enjoy this.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I love Mountain Viking.
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[SPEAKER_04]: It's one of my favorite Adventure Sports.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Hopefully you do too.
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[SPEAKER_04]: And I hope your weekend is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_04]: My son and I were talking about the Adventure Sports podcast yesterday, and we realized something that, I mean, obvious, it's obvious, but it just kind of brought it to the forefront of my mind.
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[SPEAKER_04]: We are a very unique group of people, actually.
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[SPEAKER_04]: If you look at people around the world these days, how many people are focused enough on connecting with nature, getting out and moving, doing adventure sports, that they're actually out there doing it?
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[SPEAKER_04]: And you are, you care enough about your health and connecting with nature and having fun that you are listening to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That makes you unique and I'm very thankful for you.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think it's super cool if you lived where I lived, I'm sure we would be friends.
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[SPEAKER_04]: But before I start rambling, I'm just going to go right on to the episode here's Mason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am constantly blown away by stories of adventure right here when you learn more about the person and about the circumstances that they did the adventure, I'm blown away that that people saw an opportunity in their life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and just took it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is not given to you most of the time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And for a link here, that is certainly not the case.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She saw a window of opportunity a moment in time to do something that she had been dreaming about for over 15 years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She did it despite her spouse or husband, not wanting her to do it and not knowing if she could.
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[SPEAKER_03]: she went for it and it's not by any means what she does all the time but it was just this moment this thing came together and she went for it and so um i love that because a lot of us think you know it's so easy for some of the people on this show to make these adventures happen but it's that I've learned from you know over 500 interviews or so that's absolutely not the case i mean even bear grills who we talked to last week even he said that he has to consciously
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[SPEAKER_03]: for adventure and time and nature.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And in fact, we had a conversation in New York City.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He spent some time in Central Park that morning, just to be around some trees, he said.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So if it's important enough for someone like Barry Grills to make time for and something to have to be conscious about how much more so for all the rest of us.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and I love a link is story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're here today to talk about her book, which is called She Rides, and about that story of doing that bike trip, which was from Lake Tahoe, California, where she lives, all the way down to the southern tip of the Baja Peninsula in Mexico, doing this journey alone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Scary.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Her world was crashing down around her and she's decided and adventure was what she needed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so we're going to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We intentionally don't get into tons of stories about the adventure itself, but kind of peripheral stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I tend to do when we have someone who has a book on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't want to reveal too much, but it's a great book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've been reading it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Really enjoyed just kind of the...
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[SPEAKER_03]: The people she meets, the things she talks about, the preparation ahead of time, and kind of the circumstances of life and why we even do adventures in the first place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I encourage you to check it out, you can follow her anywhere, listed in the show notes, you can find the book on her website, prefer getting, getting the book from an independent bookstore first, before looking on the, the big websites that we all know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Let's go ahead and jump in.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right, folks, welcome to the Adventure Sports podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You heard a little bit of the link is story in the intro, but we're going to welcome her right now to the episode.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, link a welcome to the show, how's it going?
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's awesome so excited to be here with you and your listeners.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really honored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, thank you so much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I started reading your book and getting into this story, it's the perfect story in the perfect kind of episode of what we talk about here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just people doing adventures.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Things that may have been in their mind for a long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Life is happening.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Normal life is happening all around the adventure
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[SPEAKER_03]: and it seems one hand so amazing and inspiring and awesome and on the other hand so relatable too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So there's so much about your story I love and I can't wait to dive in, but what I always ask versus where are you coming from and if that's not home, where's home for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, that's a pretty white question for someone who is constantly on a search for what the meaning of that word is, and we all have our own ways of relating to that, but long story short, I grew up in former Yugoslavia in a small little country on a northwest corner in Slovenia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: bordering Italy and Austria.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a beautiful place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the mountains, lots of lakes and rivers, we have even a small coastline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that is my home and I will always refer to that as home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we age, you know, the meaning of that changes as well because when I was 20 years old, I moved to Tahoe by default and started my own
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[SPEAKER_00]: family in Lake Tahoe, California in beautiful mountains because it was very reminiscent of where I grew up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a skier, a climber, and I loved this period of what people did there, and it just was kind of written on my skin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I call that my home as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as things progressed even further,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to get away and find my sanctuary in Baja California on a Sea of Cortez, so that in a way is my home as well in the physical sense, but I really think that home is in a nutshell to where your people are.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So your people are all over the place is what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Home is a little bit of everywhere for you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A little bit of a connection there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was just in San Diego right across from to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One and not not quite Bob, but right at the north side of the Baja Peninsula.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I was right there on the beach for ocean side, an ocean side Ironman event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's the company I work for as partnered with them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I immediately had to go to Sacramento for an event while I was there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I drove up to Tahoe and saw just the record-breaking amount of snow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So...
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[SPEAKER_03]: kind of what you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I got to see those two worlds that you get to enjoy in those two places you call a home very recently like last week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're so different.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was amazing just how different they both were at fit like it within days of each other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One is beachy, sunny, hot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The other one experiencing literally 60 feet of snow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is that whiplash for you?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Having to go back and forth between those two worlds?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A whiplash right now, I definitely feel anxiety about going back to Tahoe just because we are buried in snow, even though that I am a snow person, I also love love the ocean and the sun and.
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[SPEAKER_00]: we cannot even see our house yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's buried above the roof.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a little different coming home this year, but it looks like at least the sorm system now has redirected and
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we're in for some dry and warm weather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the snow is melting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's exciting that we have so much snow because it's great for the water situation in California and fires and everything else that we're dealing with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's extreme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I won't lie on a little bit nervous about driving home, but I'm excited because like I
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where my people are, that is where my kids are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to seeing my kids and my grant kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, when you say grant kids that makes me sound like I'm very old, but I don't feel like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, it's just a number.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know you got some great in kids.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And that's well, another reason I'm excited to talk to you is the time of life you did this adventure, but there's a lot leading up to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's a lot that leads up to this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: extreme, amazing experience, and I want to go all the way back to a really pivotal time of your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The moment you met Ryan Holdmezner, the iconic legendary climber and mountaineer, but before we even jump there, I know that was a really big turning point in your life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What kind of household did you grow up into, where your parents' adventurous, that they
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had such an amazing childhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up in a very active family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mom was a travel agent and she traveled a lot for work and I got to go travel with her on some of the trips to Venice
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[SPEAKER_00]: trips, but it was my dad who literally dragged me into the mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes kicking and screaming, you know, when you're little, you don't necessarily want to walk up the hill so much, but there was always reward in the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: He always nurtured me in the mountains and, you know, we grew up, I have a brother who's just a year older than me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were little ski brats.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have had a like glacier moraine hills behind our house and we skied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: opportunity we had and then we were also on a ski team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So skiing and mountaineering is basically a way of life and I'm just very fortunate that I was able to be introduced to that at a very early age.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also grew up
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[SPEAKER_00]: 60s and 70s were the golden era of steveenian alpinism.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our climbers were coming back from scaling big routes all over the world, and especially in the Himalayas.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the mountaineers and mountain climbers were always my heroes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My dad, my dad,
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[SPEAKER_00]: new the organizers of the event when Rine Holt-Masiner and Peter Habler came back from
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[SPEAKER_00]: climbing Mount Everest without oxygen, which at that time that was considered an impossibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was 14, I was a little girl, and I got to meet this giant of the mountains, and he's very real person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I was just in Slovenia this past fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got to see Reinhold Maisner in Dubliana, which is the capital of Slovenia for his final goodbye tour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of a full circle for me, for someone who had such an amazing influence in my life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can you compare him what level of fame and celebrity would you say he is for that region of the world?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Can maybe compare to somebody here like how bigger these crowds he's drawing, what kind of, how is he regarded in culture?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you compare it to the biggest,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Facebook and football stars in Europe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the top of the top as far as not just the mountaineer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is a great persona of
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he wrote many books, he influenced a lot of nature, conservacy, he's a rock star, you know, kind of a God to a lot of younger mountaineers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he, he has been also critical of some of the new ways of climbing and scaling the mountains, and especially what's going on in
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[SPEAKER_00]: in the Everest area, which, you know, I used to dream to be the Slovenian woman to climb Everest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of my big aspirations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I look at what's going on on that mountain now, and the Sherpas do all the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and Masner has been quite critical of that as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's traditional mountaineers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, don't necessarily look at the new ways of climbing the big mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Ryan Holdman, isn't it does say that without possibility of death, there is no adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And people with a new technology and every possible help that we have out there in the wilderness, they forget that you have to be self-reliant out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just the new way of, and I think some of the things have to change in that respect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably getting, of course, a little bit to what we're talking about, but I think self-reliance and not putting other people in danger because you went out to do something, it's a big thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was on the back of my mind when I was out on my, you know, very remote area,
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[SPEAKER_00]: on my mountain bike, that was on the back of my mind all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to be self-reliant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not want to have anybody come and rescue me just because I did something stupid.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, by some of your family's accounts, the trip you did was not this much.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think you had to keep the news from your parents even for a while.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But before we dive into that, I do want to say, was mountaineering a big part of your story before this experience because, you know, your adventure was bike packing.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously mountains were in your life and you went to Tahoe for that reason.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But how closely did you follow, uh, measures style and influence?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of mountaineering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I did a lot of winter mountaineering where I had to learn about my own limits was that I don't perform very well when I get really cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get hypothermia very easily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was ski racing, I had a frostbite, my feet and my hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many times actually I frostbite.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had my feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: prospect on my hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That can be very painful when you're exposed to cold weather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I quickly realized I don't do too well on high level mountaineering freezing conditions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've always climbed but not not on the, not in the Himalayas or the real big mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, mountains were
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[SPEAKER_00]: rock climbing, but in the winter we did a lot of backcountry skiing and that also led me into the sport of extreme skiing when I came to Tahoe and that was when the whole word of extreme first popped up on the radar with the north-phase extreme team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was a part of that
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all by default, you know, it's just wherever the the road kind of takes you, but I did have the skills I was it, you know, good skier and I had the mountain nearing background and it's all related to the mountains, including the mountain biking my mountain bike experience, I had experience of mountain biking before I went on this trip, but I never bike back before so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured I figured I'll just figure it out.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's something about you that I realize you kind of go and do things and figure it out as you go.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Was that how you got to Lake Tahoe as well and found that as a new home?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it really was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had no idea what where I was going really and what was, um, I had some connections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always been in my nature, uh, even since I was a very little kid, just wanted to figure things out on my own for better or for worse, my, my dad always used his expression, which is in slaving language, you know, not necessarily, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in a good way, but he compared me to a mountain goat, just I was very persistent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just went for it sometimes that backfired, but as you grow in mature, I also had learned the skills almost like survival skills.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My brother and I were always outdoors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My dad also nurtured us and showed us and taught us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He treated me the same as my brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we pretty much lived in the mountains and I think it's a great place to learn what your limitations are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you suffer a little bit and get through it and you learn what you're capable of when when when you do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what adventures are all about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of have to, there has to be an unknown factor in the adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, it's just a vacation.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you take vacations?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, vacations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a very good tourist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It depends what evocation is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vacation for me is being down here, for example, in Baja on Suf Cortez and go kite surfing and wing foiling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and mountain biking, that's my style of vacation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I go to Venice and go to the museums?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And sure, I do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, that was the other side of my upbringing, but I would not go on a vacation into the cities for too long at a time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to escape into the nature pretty quickly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like active vacations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be something active.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think I'm the same way, and I think a lot of listeners probably are, I do love a good museum.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love a good museum, but it makes me want to get out and it usually explore the places that they're talking about in the museum.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So, we'll tell me about the idea.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We're trying to, you know, what we're doing here is just setting up some of this backstory, some of the influences that led you from your home in Slovenia to your other home in Tahoe, New Home, and when you were 20,
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[SPEAKER_03]: Why the US and why Tahoe, I guess the mountains, but just take us through what got you there and this is all leading to this bike ride that you did many years later, but the idea was early on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I was in college at the University back in Slovenia, I studied physical education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wanted to take a semester off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I mean, it was pretty common for people to go teach skiing somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my father used to work for IBM, had a colleague.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who worked for IBM in San Francisco and through him, he put me in touch with a family in Lake Tahoe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was lucky enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was gonna go with my friend, my college roommate, Utah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't get a visa and I did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I ended up going by myself, which totally changed the course of my life obviously because if I came with her,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not have stayed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was, you know, it's different when you travel by yourself, versus if you travel with a group of people or another person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the end of the ski season after I arrived in Squaw Valley, I felt like I haven't really experienced enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in Tahoe, but I didn't really travel anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I extended my stay, went down to the Bay Area in San Francisco area, got jobs painting houses, because I was a climber.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was able to hang the ropes off the chimneys and I was quite an attraction actually, ending off the ropes and painting houses in the neighborhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on a climbing rope and made pretty darn great money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was also working in shipyards, sanding masks, and anything else that I could do to earn money so that I could travel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as it so happens, I got an idea to transfer my credits, and I got on the skating at University of Nevada Reno, one thing led to another, and I met my first husband.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That led me to my 30-year coaching in Squal Valley and Alpine Meadows' skit teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was, yeah, and I ended up raising the incredible children.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all awesome skiers and even more so amazing human beings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are now starting their own life paths in their own life.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Thirty years on the ski team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And now you mentioned your first marriage.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that biking from Tahoe down to the Bob and Insla was
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[SPEAKER_03]: Inspired partially by your first marriage and then can you can you tell where this idea came from to do this because like you said you're a ski instructor This is something definitely different than all of that Where did the idea of bike packing or bike touring down there come from how long ago did you have this idea and why?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a quick message break in here from the folks that help make this show possible
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is plenty of that for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get back into the episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The idea originally came more from the dissolution of my first marriage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was married for 15 years and
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[SPEAKER_00]: and things just didn't work out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, you know, I was difficult time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was losing a home that we built, the home that we created with the family, and it was a very confusing time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a few years prior to that, we built a little palapa on a sea of Cortez in order to hopefully,
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[SPEAKER_00]: heal our marriage and just be together as a family, so the idea to ride from one home that I was losing to the home that I'd loved down here in Baja came.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was at the soccer tournament with my
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always brought a bike to wherever we were so that I could go for a quick bike ride during the soccer games, just to get some exercise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also always carried
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[SPEAKER_00]: a little roomy pocket size poetry book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was springtime and I set down under the apple tree and this idea literally just popped in my head that I wanted to write from one home to another
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[SPEAKER_00]: immerse myself in a movement because I think in movement there is healing and I need it to heal from from all the confusing things that we're going on and from all the pain but the kids were still very young at that time so that idea that I wrote down on a back page of my roomy pocket book
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[SPEAKER_00]: just kind of stared at me for the next 15 years and then to jump ahead, more things happen in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was diagnosed with cancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also, first I actually had a ski accident, which yeah, I damaged my leg to such a degree that I was not able to coach anymore and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't able to ski anymore, and so my ski career at that point was over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And on top of that, just a few months after that, when I was still on crutches, I was diagnosed with cancer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First with breast cancer, and then I just as a routine colonoscopy revealed a bunch of polyps, so I was waiting for the removal of the colon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things were unraveling pretty quickly and then on top of everything else when I was dealing with my things, my husband, my second husband, who I'd love to death and love your life as you've got before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely the love of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: An amazing athlete stunningly good-looking man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's handsome, I'll give it to you.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's handsome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's handsome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, uh, yeah, the reality hits pretty hard when he was diagnosed with Parkinson's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was running out of time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I wanted to do something that I've always dreamed of doing before my time ran out.
28:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I ask you this, uh, when you first got the idea 15 years before you did, what was their pressure to do something then, or did you know that this idea needed to sit?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I'm, I'm on that younger end of like kids are young.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like there's a lot of people in my position are people that listen to the show and we feel this pressure to do something now like we don't do it now it's never going to happen what what can you say to folks in that position maybe about patients are just about letting ideas sit for a while in in marinade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think you have to be realistic of what you can or cannot do in order to make other people who are in your life take the back seat just because we're selfish that we want to do something for ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you got, I don't know, two months to live or two years to live or whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have to make a decision to what you're going to do with that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's okay to sit because we have responsibilities and we do have priorities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would not trade a minute
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've spent with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my life and you cannot buy that time back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There does come the time when kids grow up in their out of the house and that time will never come back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are ways to do adventures and with the kids and I grew up that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were a very active family and I raised my kids the same way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: pack up and not have the schedule, but it's really what shapes you as a person is what you do with your kids when they are growing up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just being in nature, just doing activities with them, driving them on build trips and school trips so that you know who their friends are, who they hang out with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always coached little soccer teams and of course I coached skiing so that my kids could ski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't trade any of those moments for anything that I have done on my own and by myself later on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I got that point, if that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It makes perfect sense that these moments, the thing that's right in front of you, it's not guaranteed to be there forever is what I'm learning and taking full advantage of it right now because there will come a time that it won't be an option, you know, especially with little kids like I have.
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[SPEAKER_03]: they're not going to be little for long.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand that personally because I haven't gone through it yet, but people are telling me that I'm trying to learn from that advice rather than saying, no, I need to do adventures now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Ventures will always be there much longer than they will be small.
31:44
[SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned you were a ski instructor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for 30 years and taught that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's, that's an entire career that you spent doing that, that one thing.
31:54
[SPEAKER_03]: How difficult was it to reinvent yourself in a moment when you had that accident that was from, from really bad weather.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I heard you tell that story in another podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What was that like having that door almost slammed in your face in a way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: life is unpredictable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Things will always happen that we do not plan on or think about, or when accidents happen, usually they happen to other people not to us, and it was difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ski accident, when blowing out your knee is not an unusual thing for any of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: My issue was more that the surgery went bad, and my femoral nerve got damaged, and it's still damaged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still suffer pains from cramping when I overexert, and I still have no sensation in my quad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those things you don't plan on,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what I'm learning and what I have learned through my adversities in life is that we are adaptable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to keep moving forward one way or the other and we have to find a new way and I did have to build a new identity, being a ski coach and being involved in other
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[SPEAKER_00]: that was me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was my identity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I lost that I had to find something new and different that I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, put my, all my energy into it for me that was writing and I kind of discovered that by default as well when I started writing the blog just to share my experiences, I thought, okay, I'll just throw it out there and see what happens and that took a lot of courage, but I got really good response and people were able to relate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you have stories, not in a sense, I didn't want to share the kind of stories like, oh, poor me, I really wanted to share more of the stories of
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[SPEAKER_00]: what can you do to come out of this situation that you are in?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And to not to sound overly philosophical, yes, you suffer and you just have to keep going and, you know, life goes on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're fortunate
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're just a little bit stronger in those broken places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I had to rebuild my identity and, you know, I have kind of taken a new direction and thrown myself everything that I had, including all my finances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: into learning, learning to be a new me, and that's hard to do at any age, but when you're over 50, it can be a little scary, but it's also the most rewarding thing when you realize, you know, I have some life still left in me, and it feels good when you're learning something
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you think it's very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Very powerful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: In fact, I want to ask some more about that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So you had this career raising children.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Life is good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You had a ski accident.
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[SPEAKER_03]: right around then you got you realize you had breast cancer and I found out or I heard a story that when you were told by the doctor that you had cancer you were on the phone and right when they said that a bird crashed into your window that you were next to just coincidentally and that was a very
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[SPEAKER_03]: eerie coincidents shocking coincidents and it was just obviously very memorable it's just happened at the same time and then at that right around then your your your husband gets Parkinson's uh... how did you feel through all this in the sense of like the the the bike tour same
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[SPEAKER_03]: easy in comparison to all this or at least like a relief in a way just go out and do something think about something else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe it was more possible at that point that it was even 15 years ago from a mental approach, if you know what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There is an old Chinese proverb without coincidence, there is no story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to deal with, yeah, that bird slamming into the window really shocked me into reality when you you're looking at a dead bird at the
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[SPEAKER_00]: doorstep and you pick it up and you go, wow, this bird was just alive a moment ago and this is me, this, this is me if I don't go and do something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that thought came to me right right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I was in shock that, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm screwed, I, you know, this is the end of my life that was really my first thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you just kind of have to go through the motions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one day at a time, one step at the time, when I went through treatments, it was growing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was difficult.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the top of that, then, you know, I was,
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[SPEAKER_00]: basically waiting to have my entire colon removal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I decided to, when, you know, when I got a little bit better when my health was, you know, slowly, ever so slowly coming back, the possibility of writing the bike really,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed to get away to feel alive because I didn't feel that I have that energy that I've always had, that internal fire burning and joy, I became kind of depressed and complacent and that scared me more than anything, not caring about things, not caring if I
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[SPEAKER_00]: lived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I needed to have something bigger in front of me that I could put my mind to and my physical body.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know this is going to sound really probably stupid, but I am a pretty lazy person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not a disciplined person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, well, if I go on this long bike ride,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll get in shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be able to write along the way about my experiences and that will be healing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really hoping that the muscles on my damaged leg would come back during the ride that didn't quite happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a different part of the story, I suppose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just once I got the idea, I just couldn't get rid of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, at that point, I really knew that I had to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other hand, my husband didn't believe I was gonna do it until the very day when I rode away from our house in Tahoe.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I heard that he didn't support it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't really want you to do it either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not want me to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was crazy and he was just very worried about me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I understood that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I respected that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the first time in my life, I really felt I needed to do something for myself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been taken care of other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've always been
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[SPEAKER_00]: taking care of the kids and the kids were grown up and on their own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was a, you know, I allowed myself to be selfish, um, because with his Parkinson's, I knew that he was still in the stage where he could take care of himself, you know, it was a window of opportunity, um, and I, I just had to do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: not having that support from a spouse would keep a lot of people from doing it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I would have a hard time leaving if my wife wasn't supportive.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I am very thankful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She is very supportive of adventures and times away.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But that would make it a lot more difficult.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But you felt so strongly about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so write about it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it wasn't something typical for you, even.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That maybe it was just shocking for him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But um,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do want to say to you, you are not a planner, you are self-discrab as lazy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like I need you as a mentor because I'm exactly the same way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't plan ahead very much at all and I would say I'm fairly lazy too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not disciplined and I always kick myself for that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are some tricks and tips you've learned about achieving things while not being naturally a very disciplined person?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's take a quick message break in here from the folks that help make this show possible.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That is plenty of that for now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's get back into the episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I will never, you know, like people say, oh, you must work out regularly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't work out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we, I also live in like Tahoe where there's a lot of Uber athletes and a lot of the times I feel like, oh my God, I, I am just such a whim, you know, they're just, you know, in today's world,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you over plan and then things don't work out, there's just disappointment, I think I've always been more spontaneous type of a person and my husband is as well and I think we're a very good match in that I have to trust myself that I am a very resourceful person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe in romanticized way, you know, when I read a lot of adventure books, you know, like Shackleton and, you know, John Muir and just two examples of traditionalists of people that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, John Muir didn't plan where he was going to go and he figured things out and he listened to nature and he listened to his own abilities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, I don't want to be over-remanticizing, but if we rely too much on technology and planning everything ahead to where
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I think we lose some things along the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is the heart of the adventure is that you see things for what they are when they happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you have to scramble behind the first rock that you find to set up your sleeping bag and survive the night from the bears walking around you,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, in California, they're actually, I think the bears are not that dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they were grizzly bears, I, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No grizzlies in California.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you just have to be resourceful and trust yourself and trust your intuition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if we over land and overanalyze, we're never going to do anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of my philosophy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would never
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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 years old with just a backpack and a pair of skis and I have I have to say I admired my parents they they let me do you know we're a lot of parents would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you're too young to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just go by yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I climbed, I traversed the elps when I was 17 years old, and it rained and snowed on me every day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't even, I mean, I, you know, I'd be worried about my kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do worry about my kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my parents let me do it, and I have to thank my father particularly for having that sense of adventure and for knowing me well enough to allow me to do that, to trust me that I will learn from those experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: be gave me a tremendous gift, and I think we have to remember that when we're raising our own kids, I mean, your kids are young, and we, as today's parents, we tend to maybe or protect the kids a little bit, and kids are resilient, they will learn especially in nature if we let them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's a wonderful advice, and we've been talking so much about life and what led up to this adventure and actually going out, your husband didn't support it, your kids are out on their own.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't talked much about the adventure without giving too much away of the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What could you say, dreaming and thinking about this idea for 15 years?
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[SPEAKER_03]: doing it and now reflecting on it, what would you say was one thing that you didn't realize would be such a big deal or a misconception you had going into the adventure now knowing the experience on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can allow me just one quick back step if I can just say about my husband because I don't want him to come across like, oh my, that he wouldn't let me go or that he wasn't supportive, I think he was just really worried.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was hoping that I was gonna just change my own mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He never says, oh, you shouldn't do this, but he let me, you know, do my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: collection of the gears setting up the bike and all that he didn't participate in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if something happens so that he wouldn't feel responsible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's very loving, caring, deeply caring person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want people to think that he's just very worried as far as
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when we were talking about not planning too much, I think subconsciously, I didn't want to overplan or look ahead too much because I didn't want to get discouraged because it was a pretty big deal of a trip, especially going through the mountains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I started pouring over the maps and looking at all the mountain ranges
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[SPEAKER_00]: from Google Maps, from above, and it looks pretty daunting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, again, had to just figure it out on my own as I went.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I was afraid I was going to, you know, get discouraged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Had I known how much climbing is there going to be on the average three to five thousand vertical,
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[SPEAKER_00]: feet of climbing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There it was on a heavy bike and I weighed when I left I weighed 110 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My bike without all the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And everything that I had on that I needed for for remote areas of the trails my bike weight 65 pounds and then you know for the sections when I needed a lot of water there was 20 pounds extra to that so if I even think about that back I'm pretty amazed that I was able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think to summarize my experience, we are capable of so much more than we think we are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are resilient.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can deal with things in life that life throws at us, that we never thought that we were able to get through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow we have to, and we can dig deep,
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[SPEAKER_00]: into the parts of ourselves that we don't know are there, and those are, I think, that's what the true adventure also brings out in us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not all fun by any means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we can trust that we have that side inside of us, that we have that ability,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to cope and to deal with adversities, that can only give us strength when life gets tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that is in the heart also of every adventure that we learn our limits, that we learn to deal with our adversities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're usually
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because to me, you know, dealing with normal life sometimes, the folks I hear who do these amazing adventures, it's their normal life that I'm more impressed by because that's not nearly as, you know, fun to talk about or nearly as aspirational for a lot of people, but it's it's much harder, partially for that reason, in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe going on this bike ride and also allowed me to focus only on the most important
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[SPEAKER_00]: things of the day, which is getting from 0.8 to 0.B, food, water, staying warm or staying cool for that matter, because the extreme temperatures on both ends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is also why people go and climb the mountains and do sports or arts because
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[SPEAKER_00]: It only allows you to focus those things that are right in front of you at that very moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's that Zen moment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have time to feel sorry for ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just have to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you're just sitting in meditation,
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[SPEAKER_00]: where you're allowed to just focus on the moments that are in front of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I agree with your life in on a daily basis, especially when you got kids and if the kids are sick and if your spouse is sick, it can be very quickly overwhelming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that is a, you know, a bit of a selfish move that that I did, that, but I needed that to survive on my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed this bike ride so I can come back and be a whole person again to to be there for my kids to be there for my grandkids and for my husband and for, you know, people that I love my family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: often times adventure leads to ideas from word venture but for you I don't know if there's something else on the horizon that you would like to do if this opened up like I could do this experience or this adventure go from here to here on by bike do you feel like there's another idea in your pocket now or are you
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[SPEAKER_03]: for the moment satisfied with what you've completed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm sure the book itself was very difficult to get done.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel it here a lot of ventures say that's even harder than the ventured itself is writing the book.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, tell us where you are now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have been asked before, and, you know, I, yes, of course, I would love to have more adventures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's definitely that side of me that I wanted to, you know, I read, I met some,
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[SPEAKER_00]: New Zealand mountain bikers from New Zealand that we're doing Baja Divide after I did it and I invited them to stay at our house here in Baja and we became friends and from here they wrote all the way to Panama and I just wanted to jump on a bike and go with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also
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[SPEAKER_00]: have to be realistic to where we are in life at the moment because
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[SPEAKER_00]: My next adventure is basically my take being there for my husband because he's going to need me more and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point of my life, I think the adventures are going to be with him and we are going to travel and do things as much as we possibly can while we can and then I just
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[SPEAKER_00]: go day by day and see what life throws at me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This summer is going to be an adventure just traveling around doing a book tour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in our van and we have fun times already planned for the summer for for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we just have to adapt to what kind of adventures we can do together while we can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Far as solo adventures, who knows what life brings, but at this point my focus is my husband and for the time being this book to bring it to people and to share it with people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and hopefully inspire people to go on their own adventures while they can, whatever that is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Is there a place you would like for folks to pick up the books specifically anywhere you want to point people over another place?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like it when people support their own local bookstores.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ingram publishing company is the distributor of the book, so it's in the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The book's title is She Rides, chasing dreams across California and Mexico.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you walk into your local bookstore, they can find it and order it, but of course it's also available on Amazon and anywhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The books are sold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a few links on my author's website, which is just a link of richic.com to where you can actually click and either order from independent booksellers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or from the other sources, like Amazon, the other, I have a few of them listed on my website.
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[SPEAKER_03]: link a thank you so much for telling your story on the adventure sports podcast at least part of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Folks are real I tried my best not to spoil anything in the book but folks really check it out it's it's a lot of wisdom a lot of humor a lot of adventure and it's something that I hope everybody listening to the show gets to get to go on sometime an extended period.
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[SPEAKER_03]: of adventure that they've been thinking about and dreaming about for a really long time.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I hope their life opens up in that way and they take the chance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So thank you for telling us about how you took that chance and took that risk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mason, thank you so much for this opportunity to share my experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that I could inspire people to follow their own dreams and go on their own
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[SPEAKER_00]: sure is one big adventure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not always easy, but it's fun.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, from one lazy person to another, you give me inspiration, knowing that it's okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's okay to not be not be type A all the time, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and sometimes it's okay to just cut up with a good book and read and look at the stars or look at the sun and the ocean and be with your people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cheers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for your time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, all right, bye.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First of all, thank you so much for listening and means the world to us that you choose a lesson of the show.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can also support us financially through patreon.com slash adventure sports podcast, link is in the show notes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And also if you have an idea of
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[SPEAKER_03]: Who could be a good guest for the show?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're always looking for people to tell their story about the outdoors or adventure So if you know someone please reach out email us at info at adventuresportspodcast.com and until then get out there and have some fun