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Strictly Bias with Will Retherford: NFL Week 16 Reaction (2.121.1) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back central Indiana sports fans to this week's edition of Strictly by us with your truly will-reather for the I am here today, the irreversible side because our producer and co-host Greg Mingellt is back at home for Christmas break because school
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[SPEAKER_00]: is on Christmas break as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Greg, thank you so much for joining us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry that you were forced to watch that cold scheme last night.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have anything you would like to potentially add to that before we get started?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just kind of glad it's over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're kind of at the same point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I've got a lot to say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First what do you want to know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never said that my Tom can't coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never said that he is a bad coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think he's never a good coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you like the Steelers for what they are, they're going to be 10 and 7.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 11 and six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you like that, then that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad that it fills your cup of coffee and you can enjoy that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't take a lot of pride and constantly picking 17 to 22 and never actually getting anywhere in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that sometimes losing can be beneficial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you'll see the Kansas City Chiefs get better because they didn't make the playoffs this year and they finally have a top 15 draft pick in the Steelers have been.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And this is a pretty
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't until every team that they played decided to just lay an egg week they played them.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, the coaching was the reason that those teams laid an egg.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I, I can tell you got to start wondering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My Tom was not the one that didn't run his route and instead just ran into the safety trying to make a play in the Detroit game that would have resulted in the Steelers loss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My Tom wouldn't do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was I was like, you just can't get them credit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a good coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's completely overrated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you like funny things and great word usage, awesome interviews, entertainment, I think my Tom wants the guy for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, I wouldn't want to disappoint his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he gives me no hope that they can ever win a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This team's not winning a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're in this cycle of stock cap quarterbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Rogers is going to play but maybe one more year and Rogers looks great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that Rogers is at the reason they're going to lose, but their offense is so one-sided that they've got to bring in an extra offensive tackle every single snap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not going to go on a great success in
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[SPEAKER_00]: their defenses, kind of, you know, so so I think we can weak out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of variability in their defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think even TJ Watt would probably say he hadn't played his best season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously with the long issue, I hope he can recover from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Steelers team and the conversation around them shouldn't be anything other than well, congratulations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get to go to New England or Denver and get
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[SPEAKER_00]: You draft beat around one playoff because that's what that's what they're heading to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not good enough to go anywhere I would say they are the worst team in the AFC playoff picture right now and I I know not sure It's really close.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's not a single team that I would not pick against the Steelers right now in the AFC playoff picture And all that said my Tomlin is a great coach and by the way Could be the next head coach of the Indianapolis Colts just say
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that he's kind of righted the ship enough and Pittsburgh to probably give him more time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see them necessarily moving on from him if they do make the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could be one of the cults actually go out and pursue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to give up draft capital to get it because he is still under contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't work towards an extension.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's the right thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he'd be a great for building a cultured and Minneapolis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think I don't trust that he can win a championship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust that he has a lot of say in the roster construction for that team and the way that he constructs a roster just isn't good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you have the most expensive defense here in the year out, it's just not conducive to winning in this league at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got came Hayward, he's played great, but he's 37 years old, he's aging.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, and we continue to bring these guys back because they're Steelers and that's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the football community in Pittsburgh warners that
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just not sure that it's actually when wins championships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're not taking it with elite talent in a draft, it's really hard to build a team from that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: TJ Watts only gonna get, is only getting more expensive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hate watched the Steelers, I don't like what their franchise is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I respect it, but I can't say that I'm, I love my biases getting the way of really actively reading
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[SPEAKER_03]: I had a second question, but I'm gonna say it as a statement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll be curious where you have the Buffalo Bills in your Super Bowl contenders.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say it that way.
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[UNKNOWN]: Hey, Will, who on the winner say Melos is on the week?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I'm just going to get a certain real quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Broncos were a big loser this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of had the ability to wrap up the number one seed in the AFC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They fell short.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They play a hot drags and they'll team who I thought had just an excellent game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They exposed all of Denver's weaknesses in the secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just kind of torched them right wrong or indifferent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It felt like a net first half that
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[SPEAKER_00]: early that the Broncos kind of had a chance to stay in that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then after half time, I just felt like Jacksonville just got on a roll and they got a couple stops when they needed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They forced a couple puns and that offense is just going right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Liam Cohen has really gotten Trevor Lawrence to buy into what he wants to do offensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jacobi Myers was an absolutely brilliant trade-debut acquisition for their GM James Gladstone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that they're winning a Super Bowl, but I think they could win a playoff game in an AFC where I think anybody could win a playoff game really for that matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's any easy out just with the parody that these teams have with each other, but Denver secondary looked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: vulnerable in a way that I had seen a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We go back to that Washington game and you kind of saw the piece of starting to crumble a little bit, but I just didn't expect the jacks to go torture like that on the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for Denver now they just opened the door for the chargers to kind of get back into winning the division, which is not really where, you know, they wanted them to beat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They saw the head to head match up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm interested to see kind of how they turn around short week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They play Kansas City on Thursday, on Christmas Day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm interested to just see if Sean Payton's got more pieces left in this puzzle of figure out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the offense particularly played bad, but they're defensive and able to come up with enough stops and a couple of turnovers and stuff to win games like that can't lose the turnover battle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Moving on, I thought the Packers were a huge loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You talk about a team that is a just converting and on-site kick away from, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think almost the two seed and the conference, that's just baffling to me, that they're now could be on the outside looking in if they lose out and Detroit wins out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that team had it all out in front of him, but they just absolutely gave that game up on Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bears looked really underwhelming for a majority of that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Packers did really too, but they were playing with Moliq Willis as a backup quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm curious.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They can't be a loser.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They had Moliq Willis and just a guy had a brain fart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He didn't attack on Sidekick, which is whatever one's taught to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He waited on it and he
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to be in the conversation because they went from two seed to seven seed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to win two games now to get in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If Detroit loses a game, then it's over and they've clinched a playoff spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are little things winning moments right there that the Packers just have
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[SPEAKER_00]: historically struggled to do in this LaFlor regime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And really, since they won the Super Bowl, they just, they struggled to make the plays they need to win football games in their culture, especially games that the magnitude of that Chicago game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to be a loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I thought the bucks were a huge loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just going in there and just leg it complete egg and Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that we've maybe underestimated how good Carolina is for the better part of six weeks at this point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I watched that game Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First time I've really taken the time to watch Carolina.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They're not bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think any conversation of Bryce Young being a bus needs to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is a very capable NFL starting quarterback at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has done a really good job of taking care of the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even going back into last year after he was reinstated as the starter, I like the Rico Daldel signing they had over the off season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They paid him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's been excellent another thousand yard season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tep Macmillan has really come into his own as a number one receiver that defense
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've always kind of had a good defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense has always kind of been the strength of their team, even going back to when Cam Newton was there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had an excellent defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're seeing that carry this, this organization to a spot where they control their own destiny in a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They go and win one more game against Tampa Bay and week 18.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, they're going to the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody would have seen it coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had the bucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were my number two most likely win the Super Bowl for a better part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 12 weeks this year and now they're losing record and they're on the outside looking in it it's been a baffling downfall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's even worse than the cults because they're playing the they're starting quarterback and and you know they've had some injuries on the outside but yeah for the most part this team's been been healthy at the most important position the entire year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think the bakers go into a bit of a shoulder issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that was a game that they had an opportunity to go down kick and field goal and Baker may field and Mike Evans is one of the same page resulted in a turnover and Carolina wins a huge one at home Sure seems to me like Carolina's gonna win that division now.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know that they're all on all team last years went out, but I think Carolina's better maybe
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[SPEAKER_00]: would have never said that even three weeks ago, but I know I think it's a possibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that whole game, I picked the bucks to win that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That whole game, I'm sitting there saying, okay, when is winner of the bucks going to figure it out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When are they going to, you know, just kind of flip the light on and all of a sudden they're back and, and here we are, and they just didn't do it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: A Panthers defense is good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're stingy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They made it really difficult for buckier being the entire day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the run it's three running back by committee, whatever the the bucks have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you have a guy like buckier and we're going to give Sean Tucker carries that just baffles me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Odd bulls is going to get his aspired if they don't make playoffs, I think, because I don't think they've done enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been good enough the last few years to make the playoffs and have really bad division, but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see him being on the outside of looking in if his office, if they can't pull it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I thought the Ravens were a huge loser this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 11 points.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they lose.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you talk about things falling apart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: After a week one, I said, I didn't think they were going to lose another game.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And they're below 500.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there were excuses early on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: What are these excuses now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you could say all the more wasn't there in the fourth quarter and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This injury bug that Lamar Jackson's caught is concerning to say the least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's not why they lost that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's why they lost that game either, but do you want, they're not good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's why they lost their game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I think they're different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have seven pro Bulls, though, Greg, seven pro Bulls, but they're not good all year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they haven't been that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You said it at the beginning of the year that every year, one of the top four teams that have the greatest odds to make the Super Bowl does make the playoffs, and we're going to have two of them, not in the playoffs, between the Ravens and Chiefs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I know you said they should be the number one loser.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the my biggest is those to Detroit Lions who looked completely inept offensively for the better part of, I don't know, 45 in game minutes, then all the sudden they flip the switch and
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[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason, Steelers kind of made Jared golf uncomfortable and it was weird because they weren't getting to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They weren't sacking him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like you just had happy feet in the pocket.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't strong delivering the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, I'm going to all kind of had a bit of an off game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the line still had a chance at the end to win that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the life of me, I can't understand why
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[SPEAKER_00]: teams run the rub route and don't just have their receiver, just act like he's going to catch the ball, like you just, you saw the play, Isaac to small, just runs a shoulder riding to Joey Porter Jr. And it's like, that's going to get called every single time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's just, it's little things like that that every stream makes in the playoffs and not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think it's interesting that they did give Detroit the touchdown on that last play, but the offense of past near appearance, which was a great bit of theatrics from Jalen Ramsey, because I thought that there was way less contact at the top of the route than it looked like that an offense of PI negates any extension of the clock.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a rule that I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get why it's like that, because you could just say, well, we'll give ourselves another play if we just blow up the corner and get offensive past near appearance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We didn't find out that the Lions were lucky that even being that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Steelers didn't play great down the stretch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of, they got, they didn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Mike Tom one got super conservative, gave the Lions an in and the Lions took it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lions were not good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they've got these last two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got to win out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they need the green beta to lose this next week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Alright, let's hear about your win as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, we're gonna stay in the same game from the first winter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Steelers were a big winter this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that they've all been locked up to the division, and they're gonna be a playoff team at this point, borrowing a miracle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you like that sort of thing, if you like playoff football, I guess you like being a Steelers fan, I don't think you like a January football when you lose the first round of every playoff, but I'm just happy to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just happy to be here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Not a Steelers fan, I'm very impressed
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not because he's got the highest paid defense every single year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they should do that, they should they shouldn't lead him in seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here we are, they're a winner and I'm talking about everything I hate about them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some's got changed there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If they ever went in, they're never going to win a Super Bowl, but the way they're constructed at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're often just didn't good enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they get a big win into Troy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought Rodgers played an incredibly efficient, I thought Jalen Warren looked great out of the backfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just been a spark plug.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to like with this dealer seem like you could talk yourself into thinking this dealer's team could get to the AFC championship and in a year where the AFC's wide open, maybe they can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the odds are great of that, but only time will tell I'll eat my words if it happens, but I think I'm going to be on the right side of history with this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A team that I said would make the playoffs and the stuff I'd make the playoffs New England Patriots are a winner this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're down 11 and they win a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were down 11 in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they come back and they just steal the game right out of Baltimore saying to game Baltimore had to win Baltimore wins that game up there basically playing week 18 for winning in essentially between the Steelers and Ravens and it's it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just an utter collapse like that that makes you beg the question of John Harble's job safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know whose job is safe and that's my variable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has an opportunity if they can win these last two games to be coached a year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think yes, chance to be the number one seed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can't
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[SPEAKER_00]: believe that these New England Patriots are ahead of schedule regardless of the weaker competition they played this year, they are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't expect them to come in here and be fighting for the number one seed this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their schedule warranted them to be a playoff team, but this has been awfully impressive what they done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Drake May has played absolutely incredible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It believe that was his first career game in 28 starts of over 300 pass yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I tend to like to 25 and efficient and keep the offense on schedule than have to that pad because you're coming from behind every week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess you take that with a great assault in terms of liking the PSO, good at distributing the ball to display makers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Patriot's team has even surprised my expectations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I know you were low on them, but I'm curious to see if your tune's changed a little bit for this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm, yes, a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, I don't think they're, they're not a super bull team, but they're, they're a team.
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[SPEAKER_03]: My tune has changed mostly because there are no dominant teams in the AFC, like I thought there would be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So they got a chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're going to move on to the dominant team of the NFC South now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Carolina Panthers huge winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Get a big one in Tampa Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny that this is the situation where in case I thought after one and three start to the season, the Panthers were all but done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think there was any chance tell that they were going to make the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That the bucks started three and no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were six and two at one point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All the sudden here we are after week 16 going into week 17 and singing a different tune.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just incredible to me what Dave now has been able to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's made Bryce Young a good starting quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Carolina's done a good job of building around him to be quite honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've done what that's the key.
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[SPEAKER_00]: good teams should do when you draft a quarterback number one is that you you've got a good receiver and you've got a good running game and you're off in some lines pretty good and there's just enough playmakers to make them dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like Jalen Coker.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Brian Shaw is getting better as his weapons have gotten better and as his offensive line has gotten better and it's now pretty good unit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's great, but pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coming out of the draft, they said that Bryson was the Steph Curry in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that while he's not the greatest three-point shooter of all time, goat conversation in FL quarterback, I do kind of see the similarities of the way he plays, a little bit, as crazy as that sounds.
19:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The cadence and tempo,
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He always kind of seems in control.
19:23
[SPEAKER_00]: They never seems at a source.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: This season when it matters the most, I think he does a pretty good job of taking care of the ball.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And he makes enough plays.
19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He's mobile enough.
19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the, at this point, the panthers have to be pretty happy with what they've gotten on a Bryson.
19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you don't compare Bryson's last two years to C.J.
19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Stroud's last two years.
19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't see that gap, they're in pretty close between those two quarterbacks where it looked like C.J.
19:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Stroud was going to be on a generational run as a, a, a, a, a rookie quarterback.
19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think that if you looked at their last 18 games at, I think Bryson's stats would be better.
20:00
[SPEAKER_00]: They had an excellent draft and they've had two great drafts.
20:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Dan Morgan, former player, former Carolina Panther, down there doing an absolutely incredible job.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a team on the rise.
20:12
[SPEAKER_00]: This is very reminiscent of that Jags team in 22 that snuck up and made the playoffs at 9 and 8 in a week AFC South and the next year they come out and they're 8 and 3.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: they ultimately don't make the playoff.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is a team that has a lot of momentum going in the next year.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless of what happens in the playoffs, if they make it, to see Hawks were a winner.
20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that seems like it's forever ago that this game happened because it happened last Thursday night, what an absolutely incredible win for this team.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: They take control of the number one seed and the NFC West.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers kind of have it all out in front of them too.
20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers went out.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They are ultimately the number one seed and they win the NFC West, which is just crazy.
20:58
[SPEAKER_00]: that you have three teams that can win the same division in a week 16 at this point.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's fascinating to me.
21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the number one seed.
21:05
[SPEAKER_03]: Not just win the division.
21:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
21:06
[SPEAKER_00]: The number one seed.
21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about these are the three best teams in the end.
21:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I see they're on the same division.
21:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how many times you see that to be quite honest with the last few results with Detroit, Minnesota.
21:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess Green Bay was awfully good too.
21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: They off lost their playoff game at Philadelphia.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, that was a good team.
21:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But the Seahawks team, you know, Sam Donald looked like an absolute goofball.
21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think early in that game, for most of that game, the fourth quarter went out of the most, he turned it on.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: The Rams kind of led him back into it.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't close the door, special teams touch down always kind of brings the margin of error.
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: a little smaller for the team that gives it up, but yeah, the seahawks have addled behind that defense.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mike McDonald is an excellent head coach.
21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Jackson Smith and Jigba was quiet in the first half to have a catch.
21:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Comes on finishes over 90 yards in the second half and over time.
22:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But you can't put the Rams on your loser list because they looked really good too.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: No, and they can't be on the loser list.
22:11
[SPEAKER_00]: You score that many points.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not a loser.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just, you know, unfortunate.
22:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The Rams played that well and still lost that game.
22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Pook and Iku has become one of the most hated players in the league all the sudden, which I think's kind of funny.
22:25
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he'll do just get out of his own way, but got one of football players.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: He is on the field.
22:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That it's unreal.
22:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know if I have a comp for him in my lifetime.
22:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can say Calvin Johnson, you can say Megatron.
22:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably right.
22:41
[SPEAKER_00]: My God, they're a different type of receiver, but they're equally as dominant, equally as dominant.
22:48
[SPEAKER_03]: I'd say someone like Larry Fitzgerald would be a pretty good.
22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great company.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, what cracks me up is it's like, do you not know all the way to use their best player?
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to stop one receiver on the Rams.
23:00
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it.
23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm like.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: What was Seattle's game plan?
23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: To, and they won the game.
23:07
[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly, they did enough to work, but given up 225 yards and two touchdowns, two receivers, not really conducive to winning.
23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: It's also not conducive to my fantasy football, semi-final match up either.
23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we don't talk fantasy much, but that just pissed me off to be quite honest with you.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So Mike McDonald gets your shit together and figure out a way to stop poop up before I lose money.
23:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tangent for another day, another afternoon.
23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: One more team I want to highlight Greg is the Chicago bear.
23:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought we're huge winners, Ben Johnson's done it completely changed the culture of Caleb Williams's played excellent.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Greg, I think Caleb Williams might be the Steph Curry of the NFL if you want
23:49
[SPEAKER_00]: think watching him play.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I see that a lot.
23:51
[SPEAKER_03]: I think I think Caleb Williams has become quite the special player a long way to go to be in the breath with stuff.
23:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Still Caleb Williams is not impressed me very much.
24:01
[SPEAKER_03]: He's at times come through when he's needed to pretty good for a second year, but let's not crown that guy yet.
24:09
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't turn the ball over and that's something that is
24:12
[SPEAKER_00]: In your first two years, you see quarterback still a lot of picks, fumble, some because they're not understanding the past protection yet.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't turn the ball over.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think sometimes that can lead him to be a little timid.
24:23
[SPEAKER_03]: Still when he lets it back to me.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're right now.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a, I would have a maybe at a B quarterback right now.
24:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I do believe in the talent though.
24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think that he has a good quarterback.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that he has really engulfed in that Ben Johnson system.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be excited when he looks like next year.
24:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you what, I believe a lot more now, it'll be a great quarterback than I did three months ago.
24:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I totally agree with that.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're offensive, great.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: They've got a lot of playmakers.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: They have, you know, DeAndre Swift, Kyle Menungai, Luther Burden.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that room of dunes, they didn't play DJ Moore, Cole-Con, that coast on LeBlanc.
25:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They have a bounty of riches on the offensive side of the football, and they've taken full advantage of it.
25:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And they won a game, they shouldn't have won.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, for that, you have to applaud.
25:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Then they cludge the playoff.
25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: They win 11 games.
25:16
[SPEAKER_00]: The players don't do that very often.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: because they are, well, the Gary Bayers actually has a nice little ring to it.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that happens.
25:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe Indiana off to football teams.
25:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Everybody wants to be Indiana well.
25:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And well, all the five teams most likely to win the Super Bowl.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: 60 in the game.
25:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I think the Texan still, and my list is the same as it was last week.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a different order, but in same five teams, I like the Texan's defense a lot.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all fins kind of came back down to Earth.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I figured it would.
25:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Time.
25:56
[SPEAKER_03]: Those are awful offensive performance.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just awful.
26:01
[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I'm going to say is that the Texans out of any team in the NFL, they take the points a lot.
26:07
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't go for four, or they don't go for a touchdown.
26:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't go for it on fourth down a lot.
26:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They take the points.
26:14
[SPEAKER_00]: They have an excellent kicker in Miami Fairbaren and then those nitty gritty playoff games.
26:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I think sometimes that strategy can work a little bit more than coaches struggle to do it because it's not what they've done all year.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough to throw the change up.
26:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I respect the Texans going and taking the points because it's ultimately why they won that game.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Their offense is struggling again.
26:36
[SPEAKER_03]: They're getting ready.
26:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You are at home against the Raiders.
26:41
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an any given Sunday league.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: We've said that a lot this year.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense is the best in the AFC.
26:49
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why they have to be on the list.
26:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense can shut anybody down.
26:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, let's.
26:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's be honest in that.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense is a good enough to carry him.
26:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they have to be on this list.
27:01
[SPEAKER_00]: They wouldn't be on the other side.
27:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust their offense.
27:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who else I'd have at this point because I don't really believe it.
27:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe in only two of, I hate, they're gonna get, see, I think the Texans are a horrible matchup for the Chargers.
27:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're gonna see that this week because I just don't like to have the past pro
27:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
27:26
[SPEAKER_00]: This chargers team is when they're kept clean, they're great, but I just, I don't trust them in dirty games.
27:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't trust them in that layoff football type of game.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I trust Justin Herbert.
27:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I either chargers offensive line against the Texans of defensive line is going to definitely be a mismatch.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It is.
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think dressing her books play excellent.
27:49
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that it's anything the chargers have done wrong.
27:52
[SPEAKER_00]: They've been really unfortunate with their injuries.
27:54
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just saying they have a better chance than the Texans who have no chance with that offense of getting anywhere.
27:58
[SPEAKER_00]: You say that the chargers have a few losses that are pre-ugly this year too.
28:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they've they've given up a couple games.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Better than the Texans, thumbs up.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You can you can say that.
28:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they'd be my fur because I think Jacksonville's better than the chargers.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess maybe I need to have Jacksonville or I'll have Jacksonville a Bump Tech, the Texan's on this list.
28:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Jacksonville would want to play Houston in the playoffs to be on this list.
28:35
[SPEAKER_03]: And we know that the Jaguars will give a game away in the playoffs.
28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We know that they can, they absolutely can, they can give a game away.
28:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the Broncos slide down, um, to for, uh, I, I think to be quite free with the adult jackspills better team.
28:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
28:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
28:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that better team.
28:58
[SPEAKER_00]: The Broncos kind of got away with for a while.
29:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't bone it's doesn't play bad.
29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: A couple bad turnovers on the day of the totality.
29:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That second pick and we said it, they're down two scores.
29:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of forcing the ball in the window.
29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: You probably shouldn't that you wouldn't force the ball in the window in the first or second quarter.
29:14
[SPEAKER_00]: You got to try to make a play happen.
29:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And people say it's a back-breaking pick.
29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: You hear down two scores with four minutes left.
29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: The odds aren't really in your favor to begin with.
29:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the internet talking, if you say all that, that's just a horrible pig understand the situation.
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought their defense looked exposed.
29:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I would be curious to see if Jacksonville and the Broncos somehow played again in the playoffs, kind of what the schematic differences would be.
29:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I think that at this point, the Broncos have given the rest to be on how to beat him.
29:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And for that,
29:49
[SPEAKER_00]: They have to move down on this list.
29:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think they're the second best team in the AFC as a whole if they can put and put together their their best game plan I don't know.
29:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm believing less and then than I was and you'll like it finally I've done it the bills are above the Broncos even though they they kind of Showed why they can get beaten to play off because if Josh Allen doesn't play like Superman
30:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It feels to be any game.
30:15
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, man.
30:16
[SPEAKER_03]: James Cook looks really good.
30:18
[SPEAKER_03]: They really scheme that up nice bringing in six in the box, allowing.
30:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Allen to do with fewer weapons because he's a weapon in himself with his legs and I think they've got the offense figured out.
30:32
[SPEAKER_03]: I thought the offense yesterday was really good against a really good Brown's defense.
30:38
[SPEAKER_03]: James Cook dropped a wide open touchdown pass at cost him four points.
30:43
[SPEAKER_03]: They had some, I thought the bills looked really good yesterday.
30:47
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Browns are better than you think.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the Browns are horrible.
30:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think their defense is good.
30:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense is good at home.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're kind of picking which loss is better.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: The bills and Browns games same game as the Texans and Raiders, but we hate the Texans and we love the bills on the way.
31:08
[SPEAKER_03]: The bills were never in jeopardy of losing that game.
31:10
[SPEAKER_03]: The Texans definitely were.
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If Josh Allen doesn't play like Superman, they'd get beat by anybody.
31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That has been established at this point, super man, so yeah, but if he, but he's still human, like he still might just have a game or a tip pass or something that doesn't go his way, I, I like the bills.
31:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like him as much as these last two teams, Greg, I'm going to start with the C Hawks, I think that they established that they are Super Bowl contender, I.
31:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think Sam Darnall is getting a bull.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he will be the reason they don't win the Super Bowl or even make the Super Bowl out of the NFC.
31:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But the team as a whole is good.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Get kind of the special teams touchdown every game.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: but I like what they are, and I'm gonna wrap up, I think the Rams are still the best team in the NFL, even though they lost, I wouldn't wanna play them, nobody would wanna play them, they're awfully dangerous, they get debonta Adam's back, they're even better.
32:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's funny because you can make an argument that none of these teams should be on this list, and yet you can make an argument that all of these teams can be in a different order on this list, and it would make sense.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the UDF, the NFL, that's the parody the league has right now.
32:23
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the parody of the league has, but we've never seen it quite like this.
32:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Now, it's been a long time since I've gone into a season thinking, gone into a week 17 thinking there are 11 teams that win a Super Bowl championship, just because there are no other good teams.
32:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to be here talking about it for the last two weeks, loving to talk about that.
32:45
[SPEAKER_00]: That playoff picture was cleared up a lot a lot of teams clinched this week, which is great.
32:52
[SPEAKER_00]: but at this point, it's time to that up or shut up if you got to make a run.
32:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it's, uh, I think the Eagles and 49ers definitely can make a case to be on your list, uh, and
33:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Jaguars could definitely make a case.
33:08
[SPEAKER_03]: We've talked about it all year.
33:09
[SPEAKER_03]: There's talent that is anybody in the ASC.
33:13
[SPEAKER_03]: It's dumb.
33:14
[SPEAKER_03]: But if they put it together for a month, they have a chance as well.
33:17
[SPEAKER_03]: So I think your list is usually five is the limit.
33:21
[SPEAKER_03]: They could win it this year.
33:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It's more like eight.
33:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Four bookkeeping the Eagles and 49ers, the 49ers were the first team out the Eagles for the second team out.
33:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They're right there.
33:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can enter mixed these teams as much as you wanted to.
33:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Right now, I would have bills eagles in the Super Bowl.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think the rambler better.
33:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I, if I was putting my money on it, I would say bills.
33:48
[SPEAKER_03]: If Devontia had him, which was 100%, I would probably switch to the rambs, but he's not.
33:58
[SPEAKER_00]: I told my girlfriend I'd get on here, and I'd be a sounding board for her.
34:02
[SPEAKER_00]: she's got a lot of opinions about this cold team that she wants to let out.
34:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm I'm going to say it for I'm proud to do it.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Addie.
34:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that you love football.
34:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And Gushtike and it's got to go.
34:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I already Gushtike and at this point we talked about it last night on the podcast.
34:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's I don't think he's bad guy.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't wish his family ill.
34:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't wish him well.
34:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's time to move on.
34:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Colts team, whatever reason I can't win under him.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time to let him go.
34:28
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't come in the Nindi and do the one job that he was really hired here to do He's had some unfortunate circumstances.
34:34
[SPEAKER_00]: He looked great with Daniel Jones.
34:36
[SPEAKER_00]: It looked like Daniel Jones was going to save his job But I don't think the call she'd bring Daniel Jones back and I don't think they should bring Shane Stecken back either I agree with both especially the Daniel Jones work Nothing can get him cheap
34:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think the injury obviously helps us case, but he's still probably gonna warn some money somewhere.
35:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Some team will want Daniel Jones to come be their quarterback because he put enough tape out that shows that he can under in the right condition, the right situation, you can be a really good enough of a quarterback.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Top 10.
35:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody will take a shot of that.
35:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Did it?
35:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel Jones.
35:22
[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
35:24
[SPEAKER_03]: So, well, Addy, I agree.
35:26
[SPEAKER_03]: It's time to start over, time to start fresh for this franchise, bringing in Peyton Manning or my Tom on to run the franchise, and that was where you will.
35:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I love it, Addy, you've been on the right side of goofstike in the whole time.
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: She's never liked him.
35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: She's called him goofstike in as long as I've known her to know Shane Stike in his name.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give her one thing.
35:53
[SPEAKER_00]: She's been awfully consistent.
35:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I will say this, the Anthony Richards thing was coaching Malprak.
36:01
[SPEAKER_03]: There was a better way no matter what the situation was.
36:05
[SPEAKER_03]: He completely messed that up.
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't agree more.
36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I, we're paying for the sins of our past life as cool to fans.
36:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, Merry Christmas.
36:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks so much.
36:20
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36:21
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36:23
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36:27
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36:28
[SPEAKER_02]: We sure do.
36:30
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks, Addy.
36:31
[SPEAKER_02]: Merry Christmas, Addy.
36:34
[SPEAKER_02]: Merry Christmas,
36:37
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