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Surprises, Standouts, Let Downs, & More: Buffalo Bills 2024 Training Camp | DC · Disguised Coverage

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  Speaker 2: and T in tonight's episode of Disguised Coverage, it's basically.
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  Speaker 4: The end of week one of Buffalo.
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  Speaker 2: Bill's training camp, and there are some pieces to dive into,
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  Speaker 2: some pieces to analyze and focus on, especially as we
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  Speaker 2: kind of through, and this is part of what we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about in tonight's episode with my guests
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  Speaker 2: as well, kind of parse through what matters, what doesn't
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  Speaker 2: what to kind of glean from this first week of
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  Speaker 2: training camp as opposed to seeing something and overreacting. How
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  Speaker 2: much is too much? What are we trying to extrapolate
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  Speaker 2: too far with? And within all that focusing on camp surprises,
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  Speaker 2: camp standouts, camp disappointments and or letdowns, some miscellaneous stuff
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  Speaker 2: to go through. And it could be player based, it
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  Speaker 2: could be schematic, it could be coaching staff, it could
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  Speaker 2: be a lot of things that we're going to dive
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  Speaker 2: into on tonight's episode of Disguised Coverage. And I say
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  Speaker 2: we because I am not alone on this episode of
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  Speaker 2: Disguised Coverage, with some of which some of you find
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  Speaker 2: And like I said, I'm not alone. I am joined
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  Speaker 2: by mister Bruce Nolan, who no longer is a free
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  Speaker 2: The last couple of times you were here, you were
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  Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like Disguised Coverage was like the Disguised Exclusive
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  Speaker 1: And it's good to be.
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  Speaker 4: Here and I appreciate you being here.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, you kind of broke the Internet a little
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  Speaker 2: to see, right like just we were talking about in
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  Speaker 2: the dms and you post some stuff about it. It
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  Speaker 2: was pretty awesome to see and super well deserved, like
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  Speaker 2: I told you offline, but I'll say it online as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and you are very popular go to person in this
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  Speaker 2: space for a lot of these fans, and I think
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  Speaker 2: those numbers were justified, were very much deserved for you.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm just now that you're back up.
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  Speaker 4: On top, I'm just thankful that you have time for me, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, because because it's kind of tongue cheek, were also
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  Speaker 2: joke for those who don't know the way Bruce's recording
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  Speaker 2: schedule and me being on Tuesdays previously previous years, I
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  Speaker 2: was on Wednesdays. With me being on Tuesdays, we kind
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  Speaker 2: of run into conflicts.
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  Speaker 4: So I kind of meant into a joke.
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  Speaker 2: But also there's some logistical issues at times because you'll
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  Speaker 2: be a little too busy. It doesn't align with what
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  Speaker 2: I got going on. We both have day job things
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  Speaker 2: and family things. So I do sincerely appreciate you taking
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  Speaker 2: the time to join me. And before we dive into
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  Speaker 2: the meat of it, Bruce, I want to ask you,
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  Speaker 2: and I mentioned a little bit in the intro, what
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  Speaker 2: do you or HI guess I should say, how do
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  Speaker 2: you go about your process of gleaning information or notable
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  Speaker 2: pieces from training camp? I do like the kind of
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  Speaker 2: the joke that I always hear from people of like
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  Speaker 2: training camp flow chart time, where it's like I see
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  Speaker 2: a clip, if it happened with my team, it's amazing,
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  Speaker 2: and this is what it's going to be. If it
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  Speaker 2: happens to another team, it sucks and that player is overrated.
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  Speaker 2: But when we get to this time of year, people
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  Speaker 2: are so eager for the season to start. They're so
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  Speaker 2: eager to see who's doing what and how they're doing it.
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  Speaker 2: There is a lot of overreaction season. There is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of taking this one clip in this one highlight
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  Speaker 2: and treating it as gospel and that's the way it's
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  Speaker 2: going to be going forward.
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  Speaker 4: And it's easy to get caught up in that for people.
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  Speaker 4: How do you have a process?
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  Speaker 2: Is there something you specifically look for come this time
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  Speaker 2: of year in terms of kind of like I mentioned
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  Speaker 2: the intro, parsing through things or wading through the waters
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  Speaker 2: and really honing in on what matters and what's potentially
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  Speaker 2: sustainable going forward.
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  Speaker 5: In the typical Bruce fashion, I'm going to give you
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  Speaker 5: the most boring answer humanly possible, and that is when
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  Speaker 5: and with whom someone is playing is far more important
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  Speaker 5: and far more predictive than how they are playing. Okay,
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  Speaker 5: so I like to watch people and say, oh, they're
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  Speaker 5: doing good. I love that, right, But the truth is
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  Speaker 5: that when and with whom is the lagging indicator of how,
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  Speaker 5: and we're only privy to part of how. So we
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  Speaker 5: get to see how someone plays in our opinion in
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  Speaker 5: a small sample size, but the coaches get to see
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  Speaker 5: how they're playing relative to their own expectation, and then
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  Speaker 5: the lagging indicator becomes the when and with whom. If
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  Speaker 5: someone gets a lot of run with the first team
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  Speaker 5: and you and I look at them and go, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I think he's playing pretty well, and then the second
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  Speaker 5: week comes along and they're not getting nearly as much
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  Speaker 5: around with the first team, then guess what are How
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  Speaker 5: didn't really matter at that point, how we thought they
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  Speaker 5: played didn't matter because clearly the coaches saw something like yeah, no,
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  Speaker 5: we're now we're good there like we're fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So for me, I acknowledge the how, and the how
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  Speaker 5: is fun and I enjoy it. But the truth of
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  Speaker 5: the matter is, if I'm attempting to be predictive, than
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  Speaker 5: the answers of when and with whom are far more
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  Speaker 5: predictive than how. So if someone is playing really well,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter. If they're playing really well in the
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  Speaker 5: fourth quarter of the last preseason game, the decision has.
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  Speaker 1: Already been made.
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  Speaker 5: Buddy, I'm sorry, like, congratulations, you played really well. Do
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  Speaker 5: you remember the aj Mcharrn conversation? Oh yeah, I mean yeah,
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  Speaker 5: the greatest preseason compack And he's gone like the next
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  Speaker 5: day because the.
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  Speaker 1: Decision had already been made. That's just the way these
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  Speaker 1: things work.
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  Speaker 5: So for me, I acknowledge the how, I enjoy the how.
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  Speaker 5: I'm entertained by the how. But truthfully, the waiting I
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  Speaker 5: put into the how is markedly smaller than the waiting
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  Speaker 5: I put into the when and with whom spoiler alert,
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  Speaker 5: that's a huge chunk of the pod this week, so
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 2: So then I follow follow up to that, Oh, do
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  Speaker 2: you then deal with rookies, because you know, we talk
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  Speaker 2: about and that being one of the words you mentioned there,
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  Speaker 2: they have no NFL sample size. They are you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have what they did in college, but that's not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily indicative of who would what they will be. So
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  Speaker 2: when you talk about the you know less of the
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  Speaker 2: how and more about the particulars pertaining to an individual.
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  Speaker 2: How do you then go about viewing rookie performances in
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  Speaker 2: camp and deciding kind of your thoughts on that or
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  Speaker 2: is it just like cool, good to see, let's see
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  Speaker 2: what happens when bullets are live come preseason in NFL?
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  Speaker 2: Or do you try to go a little further even
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  Speaker 2: though it's harder to be predictive with them because they
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  Speaker 2: have no baseline NFL sample size.
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  Speaker 5: It's super fluid, like the It's hard to explain without
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  Speaker 5: saying this, My eyes are liars happening like and all
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  Speaker 5: of ours are. I'm just way more willing to admit
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  Speaker 5: it than some. So for me, I've watched players who
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  Speaker 5: I thought looked amazing in practice in preseason and the
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  Speaker 5: NFL regularly start and they're just not good at football.
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  Speaker 2: I will still to this day defend that I think
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  Speaker 2: Robert Foster was a legitimate wide receiver, could have been
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  Speaker 2: a low tier one. And I'll the injuries that next
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  Speaker 2: year I think derailed him. I will to this day
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  Speaker 2: watch those and be like, Heave's legit. I will I
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  Speaker 2: will not back off that.
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  Speaker 5: The truth of matter is that happens all the time,
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  Speaker 5: and the more teams that you familiarize yourself with the
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  Speaker 5: more times you see it happened every single year, it
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  Speaker 5: happens over and over. Generic Prince was gonna be the
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  Speaker 5: guy who usurped Isaiah pa Checko in Kansas City last year.
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  Speaker 5: This year it's come back around. It's like, hey, he's
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  Speaker 5: getting the he's getting the second team reps behind isaiaha Checko.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Clead Edwards Lair might not be a number two.
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  Speaker 5: And what's gonna happen is we're gonna see it and
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  Speaker 5: go wow, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yea yea yea yeah, yea yeah, alright yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And then the regular season is gonna come and he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna be like a healthy scratch yeah, or he'll be
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  Speaker 5: like a special teamer.
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  Speaker 1: We'll be like, oh, okay, all right.
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  Speaker 5: The truth the matter is, I mean, look at the
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  Speaker 5: Pittsburgh Steelers against the Buffalo Bills and Kenny Pickett and
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  Speaker 5: the Pittsburgh Steelers lighting up the Bills and then looking
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  Speaker 5: like the worst quarterback in football.
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  Speaker 1: When the regular season.
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  Speaker 4: Came around, right, Bills got gutted in that preseason.
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  Speaker 5: They got absolutely got like can you Pickett and the
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  Speaker 5: bump and then and the Steelers were going to.
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  Speaker 1: The Super Bowl. Yes that year. I mean it was unstopped.
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  Speaker 5: Remember Trent Edwards going like score score score score score,
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  Speaker 5: like five drives in a row and then walking off
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  Speaker 5: the field and everyoney like, I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 5: what else.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what else we do.
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  Speaker 2: Here's another one, too, caveat. He could have been the
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  Speaker 2: truth until Adrian Wilson came unblocked off that edge against
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  Speaker 2: the cards and just wrecked his brain apparently.
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  Speaker 4: Like but to your point, yeah, like you yeah, you
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  Speaker 4: get those.
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  Speaker 2: Performances like oh my god, like the prince that was
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  Speaker 2: promised is here, right, And it's just it happens so often,
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  Speaker 2: and because we're so excited about football, we'll.
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  Speaker 1: Just do it all again next year. It's that simple.
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  Speaker 5: And we don't learn anything, right, we don't earn anything
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  Speaker 5: at all.
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  Speaker 1: It's just we're just gonna hey, guys, same time next year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right, cool, same time next year.
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  Speaker 5: We're just gonna do it again, right, And that's fine, right,
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  Speaker 5: as long as we just don't get like emotionally devastated
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  Speaker 5: by that. Then let's just enjoy having the fun, Like,
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  Speaker 5: let's just enjoy keyon Coleman, right, do I think for
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  Speaker 5: a second that the last couple of days came up
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  Speaker 5: mean that like we should just like right off like
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  Speaker 5: everything we thought about Kian Coleman before the NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think that. But it's still fun.
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  Speaker 1: Let's have fun. It's supposed to be fun. Let's enjoy it.
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  Speaker 5: So I do think that when and with whom is
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  Speaker 5: more predictive than how, and I try really hard to
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  Speaker 5: not lean into that too much. But with rookies it's
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  Speaker 5: even more fun because it's just a fresh slate and
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  Speaker 5: it's new shiny toys, and I'm just enjoying it. But
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  Speaker 5: I can compartmentalize that enjoyment from the actual predictiveness. And
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  Speaker 5: the truth is that the how isn't super predictive. It
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  Speaker 5: never has been. The when and with whom has always
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  Speaker 5: been more predictive.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's a very fair way to go about it.
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  Speaker 2: And I knew, I knew you would have a good
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  Speaker 2: logistical and scientific definition of it.
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  Speaker 4: So I appreciate that respect.
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  Speaker 2: And Kean Coleman's so funny. Like I was higher on
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  Speaker 2: Coleman just as a prospect than a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Bill's people.
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  Speaker 2: Bill's fans people do cover the bills work so I'm
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  Speaker 2: happy to see him doing well, and then I'm also
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  Speaker 2: I also juxtapose that with my overwhelming frustration to post
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  Speaker 2: something about Keon Coleman and have people come in and
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  Speaker 2: be like Stefan Diggs, who told you we never needed
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  Speaker 2: and we got key on baby, And I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Like, God, who is this NFL rookie?
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  Speaker 4: Watch oh man hit that?
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  Speaker 2: But that, but that that aggregate account is so representative
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  Speaker 2: of even a lot of people in this space, Like
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  Speaker 2: you see someone makes it catch and it's like before
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  Speaker 2: Keon is going to be the truth and they shoot everybody.
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  Speaker 1: To the moonfl Yes come into you.
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  Speaker 2: You know week one, he's gonna be crushing this and
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  Speaker 2: that this guy is destined for this, This is no
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  Speaker 2: way nowhere to go but up for this guy. And
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  Speaker 2: then kind of do your joke earlier, same time. Next year,
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  Speaker 2: it'll be someone else and someone else, and they just
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  Speaker 2: keep recycling this over hyperbolized hype that comes through for
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  Speaker 2: these guys. And so I love this time of year
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  Speaker 2: and I love the fun kind of like you know
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  Speaker 2: you alluded to, and just enjoying it and reveling in it,
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  Speaker 2: especially being there at camp for the days that I
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  Speaker 2: was there and then going to the scrimmage Friday, like
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  Speaker 2: I'm I love just I love the start a football
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  Speaker 2: in this time of year and being able to finally
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  Speaker 2: see guys on the field and seeing what things look like.
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  Speaker 2: But I hate the two things about this time of year,
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  Speaker 2: the overreactions from both positive and negative. Right, guy drops
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  Speaker 2: a pass, he sucks, he was never supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: in this league. Other side, guy catches ball, he's amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Erect the statue right now. And then I also hate
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  Speaker 2: the other side of it, where there's just so much,
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  Speaker 2: like take parroting happening, which usually happens a lot, but
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  Speaker 2: I feel like in season it's a little less draft
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  Speaker 2: season through training camp, it's just like parrot after parrot
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  Speaker 2: after parrot, of like, I see someone who watches this,
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  Speaker 2: he said this about this player.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna say these things even though I
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  Speaker 4: have not seen any of it. I really haven't done
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  Speaker 4: anything on it. I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: And then we get and I dislike that because we
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  Speaker 2: get into this situation then of hyperbolic statements and incorrect analysis,
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  Speaker 2: which sets unfair expectations for players, either positive or negatively,
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  Speaker 2: and when they don't reach those expectations, especially if there's
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  Speaker 2: unfair positive expectations that are established, fans get themselves all
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  Speaker 2: worked up and get into it thither because Robert Foster
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the next Randy Moss and it just this cycle.
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  Speaker 2: But also I'm able to compartmentalize it and just kind
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  Speaker 2: of enjoy here we are. Football is getting closer day
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  Speaker 2: by day and day by day, but it is a
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  Speaker 2: very interesting time. So yeah, I like how you kind
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  Speaker 2: of partse that and broke that down and define that.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I'm assum we're gonna get more of those definitions in
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  Speaker 2: tonight's episode in relation to the conversation topic that we
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  Speaker 2: are having. Again, if you're just joining us, and potentially
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  Speaker 2: if you didn't look at the title or didn't read
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  Speaker 2: the episode, just ription what Bruce and I are going
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  Speaker 2: to be doing tonight is diving into basically what is
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  Speaker 2: culminated in week one of Buffalo Bill's training camp. And
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  Speaker 2: we've broken this out into four categories. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: give our top surprises, our top standouts, our top disappointments,
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  Speaker 2: and then a miscellaneous category just for something you want
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  Speaker 2: to mention. We could have honorable mentions if people want to.
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  Speaker 2: If either Bruce or I want to mention something and
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  Speaker 2: kind of turn it into a larger discussion.
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  Speaker 4: But we're going to give one. Bruce and I both
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  Speaker 4: speak a lot.
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  Speaker 2: We like to get into detail, and I want to
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  Speaker 2: make sure we're not here until midnight, which tends to
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  Speaker 2: happen with us a lot, especially on the last time.
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  Speaker 2: At the last time, we were like thirty two minutes
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  Speaker 2: in and we had just finished the first segments. We're
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  Speaker 2: trying to keep it streamlined and knock all these pieces out.
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  Speaker 2: These pieces could be coaching related, they could be player related.
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  Speaker 2: It could be a specific niche segment, schematically or structurally.
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  Speaker 2: Anything and everything is available to be said for these categories.
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  Speaker 4: Bruce, do you have any particular category you want to
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  Speaker 4: start with. You're the guest. I figured i'd let you
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  Speaker 4: pick the first one.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, I.
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  Speaker 5: Think we should start with this appointments, So make sure
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  Speaker 5: we end on an upward trajectory.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody does that. I like that, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: start with disappointments.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it right. Let's start with disappointments. Your
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  Speaker 2: first as if floor is yours, I put up the banner.
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  Speaker 5: So this is really important. So disappointments plural. Do I
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: start with one and then you do one? Or do
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: I just bunk them all together? I think we buck
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: them all together, because go longer. If I try and
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: do one and then you do one, and then I
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: do one and then you do one, it'll that'll take
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: us forever.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: Like you do disappointment and then I do my disappointment
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: and then we move on to another cad move on
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: to the other category. Yes, all right, yeah, so we'll
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: do We'll do disappointments. You'll give your disappointment, I'll give mine,
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna let you pick the next topic
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: and we'll do that for each one until all four done.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: In Dustin will send you on your way.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: My two are Dwayne Carter and MVS. Now, I want
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: to start with a caveat that specifically interior alignement without
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: the pads coming on. It's it's not the same, right,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: But didn't stop at Oliver from popping up into people's notes.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: You know, that didn't stop that from happy. He didn't
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: stop for von Miller. I know he's not an interior
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: defensive lineman. But didn't stop von Miller from popping up
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: in people's notes.
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Smoot popped a little bit here, you know.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Stop Greg Russo from popping up. Dwayne Carter is a
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: day to pick. He's currently right the fifth defensive tackle
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: coming through the rotation because Deshaun came through first after
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: Ed Oliver and Daikwon Jones. It was Deshaun Williams and
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Austin Johnson, and so he's the fifth, which is fine
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: for a rookie, right, But literally, his name has not
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: popped up in a single observation article for anything, which
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: is I mean.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Someone's bound to hit it, right, like somebody has to
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: pop up sometime, right, Yeah.
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: So that's a little disappointing for me. I don't think
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: it really is gonna matter from a house standpoint because
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: I mentioned before that you know when and with whom.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: And he's the third round pick. He's not getting cut.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: So it's it's gonna be those five barring something insane happening.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't see them cutting Austin Johnson. I
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: don't see them cutting Shaun Williams. I think Eli Onkhu
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: is your practice squad guy. I think it's gonna be Jones,
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Oliver Johnson, Williams, and Carter, right. I will say, out
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: of all the position groups in the NFL, do they
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: have the most basic last name group of anybody?
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Jones, Oliver Johnson, Carter, and Williams.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: So it's just like the ones who like like they're
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: seventy five hundred people each with that last name.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds like they're they're made up, right. Oh yeah,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: my name's Oliver Williams. Yes, yes, yeah, my name's uh
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Ed Edward Oliver Edward Oliver Austin Johnson. Yes, that's that's
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: my name. Mister Johnson, mister big Johnson Johnson.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Right, he coll me biggie right. I mean, it's just
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: like this is made up a name.
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: So for me, it's disappointing that he hasn't it just
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: showed up at least once. I was also a huge
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: joint Carter fan, so I've been like zoned into that
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: particular player and I really haven't gotten much. Second one,
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: Marcus Veld is scanty, and I know what they said.
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: I know that they said, well, you know, he wasn't
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: here when we installed some of.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: The stuff in the spring.
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: The reason why I was gave a thumbs up to
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: the NBS signing is not because I thought he was
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: going to come in and be a you know, nine
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: hundred yard receiver. But that specific element of verticality, yes,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: was something that I wanted to at least check off
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: the box with somebody in the top five of the
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: receiver right, somebody, and I know that everyone points to
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: Curtis Samuel and says, well, he's fast. You can't simultaneously
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: be the team's vertical threat. And also the dude who
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: lines up in the backfield is a running back. That's
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: not a thing. So like because just they're not gonna
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: do those things. And I'll tell you one of the
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: reasons why they don't want you to be playing a
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: significant amount of snaps in two wide receiver sets, also
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: running the longest routes and then try and hand you
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: the ball when you're tired.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the reason why they're not gonna have you run.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: A fifteen yard out, you know, a clear out route
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: where you're sprinting full speed and then go, okay, now
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: we're gonna hand you the ball.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Curse Samuel, like that, that's not what They're gonna go.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: Run between the tackles now, Curse, run.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Between the tackles.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: Now that you're tired, right, that's probably not gonna be
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: a thing. So it's not that Curtise Samuel can't be
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: a vertical threat. It's that it's not you can't have
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: your cake any too simultaneously. So if he was gonna
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: be that, he wouldn't be able to be with any
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: sort of consistency because of the other stuff. They're gona
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: ask him, do not because he's incapable, right, That's just.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: The way it works.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: So for me, yeah, he wasn't here when he installed
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, how much do you need to install? You
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: go run a slam? I mean, just try to post round, right.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: I feel like I feel like I'm in wedding crashers
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: right where you're just screaming hot route.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Were just stand over there? Please?
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: What that means?
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, but just in football, that's what Maryland does.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: What Maryland does.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: So I love the everything about that scene in that movie.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: I just I always also to like I wanted Vince
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Fond to get like redemption. I wanted them to play
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: another game because everything about that scene is just amazing
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: to be just well, Jeremy red Moon, Doggie eleven, we
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: just go stand over there, please just.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Stand over there please.
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: So for me, that's also disappointing because he has guaranteed
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: money onus contract and when we signed him, I didn't
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: say like lock lock, but I was like, okay, those
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: are your top five, right, your top five are gonna
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: be Coleman, Shakir Samuel, MVS, you know mc collins. Those
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: are your top five. We're battling for six. Now maybe
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: they only keep five. They're battling for five. Is So
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: that's my disappointment because I don't buy the installation thing
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: because you don't need to be through install to do
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: the thing that MVS was likely gonna do when he
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: got here, right, A lot of option routes, reading a
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: ton of coverages for MVS. I mean, were you planning
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: on putting him in the slot and having him run
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: option routes against linebackers? Like, was that the thing you
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: were gonna do with Marquez Veldez Scantling?
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I hope not.
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I think I disagree with that general philosophy on how
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: to use him. But to me, that's a disappointment. And
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: I think it's disappointment because you were hoping he was
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: gonna add that element of verticality, and I think the
• 22:37
  Speaker 5: you know I would say emergence, but the positivity around
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: Keon Coleman has probably quieted down the verticality concerns. But
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: as we mentioned before, just because he is someone who
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: can be vertical in training camp doesn't mean he can
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: be vertical in the regular season. You know, I'll buy
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. If you have a wide receiver
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: like key On Coleman who's getting sixty percent of the
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: two wide receiver sets week one, then I'm buying it
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: at that point. Now, Okay, okay, sixty percent of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: time when they go two wide receivers, he's on the field. Okay,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: now now it's for real again, wedding with him.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: That's fair, that's fair for those asking in the chat,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: MBS this year has a cap hit of one point
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: three to five million, But then he also has little
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: bonuses and different things. So long story short, if he
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: has cut, it's a dead cap hit of two point
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: two five million dollars for those asking in the chat.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Eight years on that deal, didn't they.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: Yes, there's void years through. It's it's a void. I
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: forgot that.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It's so he signed a one year, two point two
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: five million dollar contract and as a void year in
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five for nine hundred thousand, and then twenty
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: twenty six, twenty twenty seven, and twenty twenty eight each
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: for two hundred and twenty five thousand, So he's on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: the books for five years, four of those being void.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Like very clearly they did for him to make the
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: team when they did this. If they didn't, they wouldn't
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: sign him that the deal.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: They didn't know.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: And I will say being there in person, the speed
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: plays like.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: He he can still run fast.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Yes he is.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Not like he is not some shell of himself. He's
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: not some ghost like from a speed perspective. He is
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: as advertised. So at least he has that working for
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: But I will kind of, you know, to kind of
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: piggyback off your points a little bit. Yeah, like I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: and I think even for myself, right I some of
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the players I'm going to talk about in this episode,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: especially at that position group.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Have overshadowed my concern for MBS.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But I was in a very similar boat where I
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: thought the top five was a lock, you know, not
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: in any order, but you know, Curtis, Samuel Kean, Coleman,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Mac Collins, Shakir MBS. And then my thought was Okay,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: do they keep six? Do they keep seven?
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Is it just five?
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: If they keep six? How much has mac Collins involved?
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: So do you want to go with a bigger body
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: or if Hollins is going to be an actual receiver
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and not just special teams, do you want more pure speed?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: So it is a kJ Hamler, is it shaver or
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: is it shorter? Or is it is a Bella? Like
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: all that that was like what my conversation was. I
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: thought the top five of your point was lockdown and dusted,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: and especially knowing how much of a veteran he is
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks he's played with, Like I keep making
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that joke, like he went from like Aaron Rodgers to
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes now to Josh Allen. So he's He's played
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: in schematically sound offenses with good quarterbacks and good play
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: callers and plague designers and offensive coordinators. He's been on
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: successful teams. He's been in scenarios where like there's been
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: pressure and things have been asked of him.
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: It's not like he just came.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: From horrible, low pressure situations where oh it's easy to
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: perform there because he came from this team that sucks.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Like so I think that bothers me a little more too,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: knowing that I feel like he presented a known quantity
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: in terms of play level and play style and we
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: haven't seen that yet again, But with everything I will
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: say for me at least, and I know probably for
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you two a little as well. It is just week one.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: It isn't the largest sample size, but yeah, I can
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: see that being a concern a bit and being disappointing.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I'm there with you with that. And then Carter, I've
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: helped my reservations on trench play, especially when when I
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: was there in person, just because they weren't wearing pads,
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: and so yeah, keeping an eye out from people these
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: past couple of days with pads. I was like, Okay,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: who starts to emerge once the pads have come on?
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Because to your.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Point, like, I don't remember anything, granted, and I wasn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: completely focused on the trenches because they weren't wearing pads
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: when I was there the three days that I was there.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: But Carter didn't like flash once for me, And I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: can go in my brain right now and remember a
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: flash from Williams from Ed Oliver, from day Kwon from
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Austin Johnson, even Eliankhu like at times like I can
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: pull let alone the edges, but just talk about the interior.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: I can pull some flashes.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Carter, I got nothing, and so again like let's see,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: and I already had some I liked him. I really
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: liked Michael hall Way better from Ohio State, but that's
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: a conversation for another time. Like I had some concerns
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: for him coming in just because I didn't like the
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: way he handled double teams at Duke and how he
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: would get blown off the ball. So part of me
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: was already like, Okay, how could he anchor what's he
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: gonna do with like from a physicality people moving standpoint
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: in this league against bigger, stronger, faster, more technically sound dudes.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: But you know, he's leadership stuff and he's got a
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: great head on his shoulders, and he has had the
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: ability to make splash play. So I was hoping that
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: would kind of carry her out way a little bit,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: and we have not seen that so far. He's somebody
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: that I'll have my eyes on come preseason and especially
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: scrimmage time as well. So yeah, I'm with you there,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: uh and Echuin, those disappointments a little bit for my disappointment.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: I went with one carried the top one, and I
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: feel like it's a little unfair, but I'm gonna go
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: with it. My top disappointment so far is just the
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: back seven in terms of coverage for the defense. Granted
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: it's early in training camp and maybe you know, missing
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde and everything that they did
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: from a communication standpoint, even though Matt Mulano is very
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: strong that area, Terrel Bernard is very strong in that area,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Tarren Johnson is very strong in that area, right, But
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe missing Poe and Hyde has impacted things
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Maybe you're getting some new stuff from
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Bobby Babbage to work out, maybe the adjustments the calls,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: the overall philosophy or identity or coverage structures a little bit.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe the offense is just beating them left and right,
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: because Allen and the pass catchers got together at points
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: in this offseason, so they're more on the same page.
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: But defenses traditionally at this time of.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Year are usually ahead of offenses, and even if they're not,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: there's just usually more cohesion than I think we've seen,
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: and especially for me, you know, seeing it in person
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: at camp for as good as the offense has largely been,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: and they have. The offense has been on point. I
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: think they've largely beaten the defense. Talking from like an
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: overall standpoint, in camp, it's been offense winning pretty much
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: every single day. I would actually not even pretty much.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I would say every single day. Granted, there's been some
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: defensive players that have had really good reps or had
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: standout days, and the defense has had some strong reps.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: At times, but largely the offenses outperformed them.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: But for as good as the offense is bad, the defense,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: especially on the back end, has not been up to snuff.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: There's been gaps in coverage. There looks like there's gaps
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: in miscommunication. Like there's a big game that's happening, and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: after the play, Milano and Rap and Douglas and Bernard
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: are talking. Once the ones come off the field, you've
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: got like Bernard and Rap and Milano and other guys
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: talking to Babbage about specific aspects. You can see they're communicating,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: not necessarily in like a flustered or negative way, but
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: really trying to get on the same page. And again,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: it's week one in camp. This does not mean the
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: defense is going to be you know, a bunch of
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: ghosts this season. It does not mean the defense is
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: on the downturn and everything is going to be bad,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: But I I expected more. I guess maybe that's my
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: own fault, like knowing what this defense has been, maybe
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: I underestimated some of the roster changes and the new
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: coaching staff, which also factors in right, new defensive line coach,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: new linebackers coach, new defensive coordinator, new cornerbacks coach, all
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: of these pieces right coming through. So maybe I should
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: be a little kinder and kind of give, you know, more,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: grade more on a curve in terms of the learning
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: for this group. But I just expected more and less
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of and I'm not expecting them to be perfect, but
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: the ways they've been beaten and the breakdowns and again
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the gaps and coverage and communication, I'm a bit disappointed
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: in that at this point, even though it's early on
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: and it's a small sample size.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: Training camp is not neutral, and it's really hard to
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: keep that in mind. Training camp is not neutral. For
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: every good play that another person makes, the other person
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: gave up a good play. That's right, That's just how
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: it is, right. And so I know that the way
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: we frame things. We try to avoid that at all times.
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: We're always like, oh, man, you know he had perfect coverage,
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: but hey, man, perfect perfect throw, it's perfect coverage, right, Well,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: you can't be that every rep. Yeah you know what
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, like, you can't be that every time.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: At some point someone had to have screwed up.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, who did I?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I did one of they did one on ones on Sunday,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: and I was like, man, Taron Johnson just locked up
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Shaki beautiful rep. Didn't even let Shakira off the line.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: He pressed him and he jammed him and then PBu
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: beautiful rep from Terran and people were commenting like, man,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: is Shakir cooked. It's like Shakir done. Haven't heard a lot.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And I was like, God, but that's to your point,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: like if oh, this guy faced this guy and this
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: guy had a tremendous rep, well that means the other
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: guy didn't and he sucks.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I love it, man, I absolutely love it because I
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: think that maybe a long time ago, when I was
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: younger and stupider, I think I would have gotten upset
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: about that.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: And now I'm just like.
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: Ahh yeah crazy, and I just move on with my day. Yeah, right,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: and now if someone gets really really, like really bad
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: about it, I'm just like, well, you know, pineapple, we
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: move on. But yeah, you know it's fun. Okay, so
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: we did disappointments, yes, and now we should do standouts.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, I've switched the banner standouts, and this could be anything.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: For instance, my standout is not player based, it is
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: schematic based. And also I mentioned in the chat for
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: those playing at home joining us live each one of
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: these segments, feel free to flood the chat with whatever
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: you got your standouts. If you want to double back
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: and hit some of your disappointments a bunch, you did
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: that already. But every time I switch the banner and
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: we move on to a new segment, please feel free
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: to comment anything and everything you got into the chat,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: and also any general questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, camp related,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: anything that I've seen, or anything that you guys want
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: answered in general.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: Put it into the chat.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna start it, and then once Bruce goes on
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: his merry way, we will do our typical live question
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and answer segment to close out the show.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: But Bruce, you have picked standouts. The floor is yours.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: What do you got the first thing I want to
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: share is that I made a Tyrrell Shaver's Standout Joe
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: today on social media. And what I did was I
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: said Tyrrell Shavers and then over in the right side
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I put power Line and then I did the handshake
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: emoji and it was the gift of Goofy's son Max
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: doing the dance from a Goofy movie where he was
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: dressed up like Powerline.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Because the name of the song was stand Out. There
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: were so many levels.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: And I was like, no one's gonna like this tweet,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Like everyone's like, what is Bruce smoking right now? I'm
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: like Tyrell Shavers power line handshake. And then I used
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: the gift and it was from the song stand Out,
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: and I was like, there you go. So I have
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: been banging the Tyrrell Shavers drum since early in the
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: off season and got a little bit of hate for
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: that because in my first fifty in my first fifty
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: three man roster projection, I projected Tyrrell Shavers to make it,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: and people got really mad at me because the Chase Claypole.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: Because or I was I figured it would have because you
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: weren't a Justin Shorter Truther.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Well, I wasn't and there was a little of that,
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: but it mostly chased Claypool. Right, it was, so, I said,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Tyrrel Shavers. Now, to be fair, the other player I
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: had making it out of six was Quintez Ceft.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, and he lasted two days on the team.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: So we're gonna ignore the thing that I got horribly
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: wrong and focus on the thing that I'm trending toward
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: me being a brilliant about.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Sound good, sound good?
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: Okay, So Tyrrel Shavers is the player that I'm I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: excited about. I think that one of the things that
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: I'm excited about with Tyrrel Shavers is that if you
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: are going to play more twelve, and you might not
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: play a lot more twelve, but if you're gonna trend
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: toward playing more twelve, more twenty two, more twenty one,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: more thirteen, right, let's go thirty one, let's go crazy
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: three running backs, right yeah, right, full wishbone, let's do it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: So whatever you're gonna do.
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: I think that that actually puts the increased pressure on
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: the bottom of the roster wide receivers to play special teams.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: I think in addition, the introduction of the new kickoff
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: rules are going to change the way that we feel
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: about special teams. I know that everyone hates the idea
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: that special teams is a tie breaker for the fifty second,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: fifty first, fifty third men on the roster, and I
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: love that, and I with you. I think that they
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: kind of had a point when there was no kickoff
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: anymore and everyone just kicked it out of the back
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: of the end zone.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Well it's not even a play. What does it matter?
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, why do you care?
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I told you what if I told you?
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: They are changing the whole thing.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: So for me, Shavers is a standout. I think that
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: the the communication from Sean McDermott is strong in favor
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: of Shavers. And you know, when you get positives from
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: Sean McDermott, it's like getting water in the desert.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Because he's just not gonna tell you anything.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: He's gonna be the blandest, most nonsensical garbage when he
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: gets up there, and just the guy should be running
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: for president, right, he really should be right. And because
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: he can monologue for five minutes, you get done, You go,
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I have no idea what you're talking about.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: He just phil him philibuster up.
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: There, philibusters the entire time. I'm convinced he has a
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: clock set on the thing he goes. All I have
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: to do is just keep talking for twenty two minutes
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: and they'll let me off.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: I don't even have to talk about it. You just
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: start reading his grocery list to us. Right, he actually
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: might be more exciting, but.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: You know it wouldn't.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: I feel like he'd be like trail mix, right oats,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: rice cakes, unflavored nuts.
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: Thank you, Bruce, And so for me, Tyrol Shavers is
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: right there. I want to quickly hit Ray Davis, who
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: is good at the footballs. And I tried to tell
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: people when they drafted him that he is good at
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: the footballs. I thought Ray Davis was a Day two pick.
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: I thought highly of Ray Davis coming out because the
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: big knock on him is age. And I don't care.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: I don't care, so it doesn't I don't care if
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: he's always old, so what right? And he dominated in
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: the SEC like it's not like the whole age used
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: as a a well, he was an older guy dominating. Yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: he was dominating twenty two year old SEC players like.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: On a on an SEC team that was not an
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: SEC power like Chucky wasn't Kentucky. He wasn't doing it
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: on Georgia and Bama. He was doing it at Kentucky.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: Cont Any benefit that he got by being slightly older
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: was very quickly dismissed by the fact that he was
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: playing against elite level SEC defenses on a team that's
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: bottom of the you know, bottom of the barrel in
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: the SEC.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: For me to Kentucky, I wait for that one Bill's
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Kentucky fan that's in the chat right now.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: To be like, how dare you?
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: How dare you?
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: Yes, Kentucky's a powerhouse of the SEC. So for me,
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: we'll always have the Stevie Johnson year. You know who
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: was the quarterback of Kentucky that year who ended up
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: getting drafted undrafted by the Eagles.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I know he two Kentucky can two quarterbacks. I remember
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Tim Couch and then Jared Lorenzen.
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: Somebody, and that somebody in the comment section is going
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: to save me. So that that's my Ray Davis good
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: at the football's right, very natural catching the ball absolutely.
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: I mean, like my pitch in my initial podcast back
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: was hey, you know, maybe James maybe James Cook isn't
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: primed for this gigantic volume season.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe he's not prime for more volume. And I made that.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I said, listen, this is all that has to happen.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: All that has to happen.
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: Is for Ray Davis to be a better runner of
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: the football than a practice squad dude and a thirty
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: three year old guy.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Like, that's all that has to happen.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: And now if you add the fact that you actually
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: might want to throw him passes, which you never wanted
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: to do with La Davius Murray right, and Ti Johnson
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: caught like.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Nine passes like his entire career.
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: Like Ti Johnson is not a not a guy you
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: you put in that position. And I like Ti Johnson, right,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: I think he's a really good third running back. I
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: want him on the team. Yeah, but like it's not
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: like that's impossible for Ray Davis. That's a pretty low
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: bar to clear. And then all of a sudden it
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: turns out, oh wait, he's actually good at footballs. So
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: for me, that's a standout. Gregor Russeau, man, I'll tell
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: you what I was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I need this more than I need my water to
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: be cold.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: Like, my biggest concern about this team is pass rush
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: off the edge, it's not wide receipts. Yeah, And so
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: for me, I think that the way that Gregor Rousseau
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: was trending at the beginning of last year before he
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: kind of hit a wall and had some injuries, I
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: just need to see that keep projecting, because what happens
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: if Gregor Russou turns into like, like a defensive end
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: one like that changes the trajectory for this I know
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: that's I know that's really really high praise, right, but
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: what if.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: He turns into someone who's really good?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: But it also kind of possible, Like he's he's shown flashes
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: of being a really strong edge rusher despite the injuries
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: and how that's kind of thrown him off track, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: he's already one of the best run defending edges in
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Like, so to your point, imagine if he
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: puts that pass rush piece together with what he does
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: against the run, it changes things.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: Dramatically, dramatically for this defense. And so for me, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: think a lot of us were pinning our hopes on
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: Von Miller and I listen, I'm excited about von Miller looking,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: you know, better than he had, right, But I mean,
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: anything's better than what we had before, right right, Yeah,
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: But I think actually the better place to hang your
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: hat is Gregor Russeau continuing his trajectory, because I think
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: that based on Russo's age and the idea of what
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: you thought he was when he came in the chances
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: of him taking a next step are probably higher than
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: von Miller getting back to super elite. And so for me,
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: I'm excited about Russeo. So for me, it's Shavers, Ray Davis,
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Gregor Russo.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, I like.
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: That, And I real quick on Russeau.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: He Nikki had this comment, he said, does Russeau gain
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: ten pounds of muscle every off season? Because he gets
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: bigger and scarier every year. Then he opens his mouth
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and he's super nice. Oh, Eric, and I did a
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: film episode or through so and not only is he
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: super nice, the intelligence that he has everything that he
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: was talking for a dude who is so physically dominant,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: like the length, the size, the strength, everything. He was
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: talking about strike points and hand placement and what his
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: aim is and how if he does this to this tackle,
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: it'll make his body move this way. And on the snap,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: if the tackle sets like this or reaches and does
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: this punch that it'll make him do that, Like everything
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: is so technical from a high football IQ standpoint, not
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: saying that he couldn't be that, but he's tremendously smart.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: He has a very very good understanding of the game.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: And that's part of you know, to kind of piggyback
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: with your point of hanging your hat more on to
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: him making a jump than Vaughn getting back to his
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: old self. Not only does the tea the trajectory of
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: the team. I do think it's possible. Like he is
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: a very self aware player in terms of who he is,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: what his position entails, and how to win. It's just
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: a matter of can he do that consistently? And part
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: of me, maybe it's the devil's advocate I always play
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: with myself, or maybe it's optimism, but part of me
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: is always thinking like man like, maybe he hasn't hit
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: that because he's always got a busted foot or a
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: busted ankle, Like those aren't things that you can work around,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and they hurt him even more because he's not a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: big change of direction guy. He's not a big fluid
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Bendi type of dude. He's a friggin tree. And if
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: his if one of his roots are jacked up like that.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: That hurts him even more than somebody who's a little
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: more athletic or a little more fluid, or someone who
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: change a direction comes easier to him.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I like that notion a lot.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: The tree metaphor. You went with a tree metaphor.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't plan it. It wasn't planned. It wasn't planned,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: and I was even when I was actually more disappointment
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: pointed that it wasn't planned.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I was completely or.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I wanted it to be.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Planned, even to the point of when I said, you know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: like he's a big friggin tree. When I said the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: roots comment, I almost still said wheels again, but as
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: I was speaking, I was like, no, I have to
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: say roots because wheels don't go on. It wasn't planned
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: yet I all hate I hate myself for it, but
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: like I those those things.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Make me laugh more. So Yeah, but yeah, treat metaphor,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: that's the disappointment. Let's go back.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Let's go back to segment and see if we want
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to amend disappointments. Anthony's treat metaphor for camp I and
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you know it gives the kind of follow up on
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: your others. Ray Davis is somebody who I'm gonna speak
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: about in one of our other segments, even though to
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: your point.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: I expected him to do well. His his tape was good.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: He had good college tape, man like didn't have elite speed,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: wasn't And I'm smoking about him in this way like
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: he's not elite at like any one thing, and I
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: think that's part of the reason why he got knocked
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: down a little bit. But he's above average to above
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: above average and a lot of stuff, and his feet
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: are clean and precise, and the past catching element is
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: something that did not get talked about enough going into camp.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Now it's getting more shine. But yeah, him kind of
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: balling out has been very, very very nice to see.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: And yeah, Shavers is somebody.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Who quietly every single day puts together good reps. And
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you look at a dude who's you know, listed at
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: six foot six, two hundred eleven pounds. And I also
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: think the idea of something I'm gonna talk about in
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a minute, going up with what you said, you know
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: more of twelve and two wide receiver sets, and you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: if you're trying to play more power football things, having
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: a dude on the roster, who is a big wide
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: receiver and who's physical and who has length and offers
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you some variability in terms of where he can align
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: also helps him as well. And I think that conversation
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: of you know, for as much as Keon's been a
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: story and MATC. Collins has been a story and even
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Samuel to a degree, the idea of Tyrrel Shavers I
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: think kind of usurping that last receiver spot is is
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I think legitimately a big one because I feel like
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: if people were gonna bank on anybody, even if MVS
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: was a lock and that was the top five, if
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: they were keeping six, I don't know how many people,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: aside from you, were gonna name ty Shavers as the six.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: I think most people were hoping it was Claypool, or
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: you have the Justin Shorter Truthers, You've.
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: Got kJ Hammler.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I know there's people who still love Andy Isabella and
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: want him to get a shot. I feel like Shavers
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: was at the bottom of that total pull. So the
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: run that he's had and the recognition that he's getting
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: from the staff and from people who have been at
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: camp very very very very.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Nice to see. I like those choices from you.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned my standout, it is not player based,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: it is schematic based, and it's broad for the offense.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It's my standout. The motions, the shifts, play action, boots,
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: condensed formations, and reduced formational with what they have done
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: this year, and part of this this far in camp,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: and this goes into something I've talked about this whole offseason.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Follow me on Twitter if you watch this show. Reduce
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: formational with and condensed formations and Joe Brady doing everything
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: he can to push all the right buttons and pull
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: the right levers in terms of motion, shift, play action, boots,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: all of those things I thought was necessary for this
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: offense and also was in line with current NFL and
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: league trends. And I talked about borrowing elements from the
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: Lions and the Rams specifically with their condensed formations and
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: reduce formational with and all of this stemming from the
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: roster construction at wide receiver, the body types and the
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: sizes they have there, how that works in conjunction with
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the body types and size and frame and athleticism in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the tight end room, and how if you take the
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: tight ends and the wide receivers and put them together
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: you have size, and you have athleticism, and you have
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: eleven personnel groupings and twelve personnel groupings that allow you
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: to operate both out of the spread and out of
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: condensed looks, with the ability to pass on teams, with
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the ability to run the football on teams and create
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: mismatches in a variety of ways. And it would be
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: on Joe Brady to push those buttons and pull those levers,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and so far he's done that a lot. I said
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: it on day one if ninety five percent of the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: reps and seven on seven and in team for the
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: offense had at least motion or one shift, including every
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: single rep in seven on seven, and I think the
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: first like nine in team it may have been one
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: hundred percent. But it's hard to deal in absolutes. Even
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: though I am a fan of the SITH, I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: they're just way better when it comes to the four stuff.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: But we'll talk about that at another time.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Just the everything that we're seeing from Brady, but how
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: that's changed from last year. So the Bills rates last year,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: and I know this was an excited uh talking point
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: for Bill's fans when Brady took over for Dorsey, but
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: on the year last year, Buffalo bills forty five percent
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: motion rate last year, which was twenty third, sixteen percent
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: play action rate which was fourteenth. That gets a little
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: clouded a little bit though, because o RPOs and a
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: four percent design rollout rate, which are your boots that
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: was twenty seventh in the league. Right If you break
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: down the Dorsey weeks forty four percent motion, seventeen percent
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: play action, four percent design rollout, the Brady weeks forty
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: eight percent motion, so four percent more than the Dorsea weeks,
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: fifteen percent play action, so two percent less play action
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: than Dorsey, and then three percent design rollouts, so one
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: percent point less than the Dorsey weeks when and granted,
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: this was not Brady's offense last year. He was merely
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: tweaking and revamping a bit the Ken Dorsey offense because,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: like we've said on the show, like you said, you
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: cannot uninstall an offense midyear and install a new one.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: But despite my hopes for what they would do this year,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: so far it looks like just a dramatic shift. Again,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: this was a team towards the bottom of the league
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: in motion rates, play action and boots and what we're
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: seeing in camp is literally motion and or a shift
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: on pretty much every single snap for the offense thus
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: far in camp, even if it's just a run play,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: they're shifting someone, they're realigning someone, they're sending a receiver
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: in motion, and it's every type of motion. You got
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: tear motion, you have exit motion, you got burst, or
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: that cheat of motion at orbit, fake orbit, in return,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: fake the jet and return like they are hitting anything
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: and everything when it comes to pre snap buttons and levers,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and then the with aspect as well. Again, something I've
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: talked about a ton, the need for them to go
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: to more condensed formations and reduce their formational with. The
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Bills last year finished second in highest formational with in
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, so basically they were one of the
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: teams that were the most spread in twenty twenty three,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: and in the Ken Dorsey Weeks they had the fourth
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: highest formational with at twenty six point six. In the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Brady Weeks in the regular season they had the highest
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: formational with at twenty seven point three, And for reference,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks finished last year highest in the league at
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: formational with at twenty seven point one. So if you
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: just take the Joe Brady Weeks last year in the
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: regular season of twenty seven point three, they were the
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: widest team last year in terms of what they did,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: and talked about some of the best offense in the
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: NFL being reduced in their formational with the Niners and
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: the Rams and the Dolphins and the Texans and the
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: Lions and why and how that ties.
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: Into the Bills aspects.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: So I don't want to get too elongated with this
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: conversation piece, but I wasn't expecting the shift to be
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: so dramatic, and that's why it's a standout for me.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: I expected more motion. I expected more condensed formations. I
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: expected shifts and play action and bootleg bootlegs. I expected
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: more of that. But how much it's been it's like
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: he turned the dial all the way to ten and
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: then tried to turn it more and it got stuck
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: at ten and just broke. And that's what he's been at.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: There is just so much that they are hitting the
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: defense with pre snap and I love it. But it's
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: just even for as much as people criticized Dorsey for
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: not doing that stuff last year, Brady didn't lean into
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: a ton of it either.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Even when he had those tweaks.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Granted, now he's had the opportunity now to fully install
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: his offense, have a full off season as OC, and
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: it's just been a dramatic. There's just so much happening
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: pre snap in terms of who's lined up, where, where
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: they end up right before the snap, the motions on
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: the snap, the motions pre and again it's it's any
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: type of everything. It's not like, well, yeah they're running
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: a bunch of motion, but it's all just jet motion. No,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: They're they're hitting everything. They're pushing all those buttons and
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: pulling those levers thus far, and it's it's such a
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: standout to me because one, I hoped for it and
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: talked about it a lot this offseason in terms of
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: why it needed to happen. But even with my hoping
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: for it and expecting it, you know, part of the
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: reason I broke it down and wanted it to happen
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: is because I expected it based off of, again, what
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: they have from a personnel standpoint.
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: But it's been significant.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: It has been a significant turn and shift just based
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: off of their numbers on the whole last year with
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the Dorsey splits, with the Brady spits, versus what they
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: are now. It's significant and so that's my that's my
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: top standout, which encompasses a lot of points, but that's
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that's the tops for me.
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: The stuff that we've seen so far from the Buffalo
• 51:58
  Speaker 5: Bills offense schematically heavy credence to the idea that Joe
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: Brady was operating with Ken Dorsey's playbook. And I know
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: that we all know that intrinsically, but it really hammers
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: home when you have a chance to install your offense
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: and you go, wow, it doesn't look anything like that.
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: You go, yeah, no, it's because that's not my offense.
• 52:21
  Speaker 5: I was just running the thing that the boss told
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: me to run, but that's not how I would do it.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Ye. This idea that.
• 52:26
  Speaker 5: Bosses and employees need to be the same is weird
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: to me because it's not true in any other aspect
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: of life. But yet all of a sudden, with football coaches,
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: we think it is. Well, they promoted from it within right,
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: same old, same old are you?
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Like? Are you the same as your boss?
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Like if your boss stopped tomorrow and retired and they
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: promoted you, are you gonna do things exactly the same?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Also within that, like, I don't think they would have
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: kept Brady like they fired Dorsey.
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: So if he's the same, then yeah, we didn't like
• 53:00
  Speaker 5: this guy, but this same exact guy.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: We love this guy though, Yeah right, Like I.
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: Don't think that girl's hop at her identical twins, she's hot,
• 53:09
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, bro, Like, what are.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: We doing here? Okay? So surprises because shockingly enough, we're.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: Behind time, So surprises. That's where we're going next, right,
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: because that's the only thing left to do.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we have that and then random miscellaneous things in
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: the last segment.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: If you have my surprise, Yes, Cold Bishop might be
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: ready sooner than I thought.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Oh hope he's not hurt long term based on him
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: having that rap on his arm.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I hope so too.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: For me, it was the differential in Sean McDermott's comments
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: about him early versus Samon Dermot's comments about him recently.
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: When when you asked Sean McDermot about Cold Bishop and
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: he goes, well, you know it's important to come in
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: to camp in shape, and you go whoa, Like that's
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: close as Sean McDermott gets to insulting your mother, Like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: that's as close as it gets, right. He basically called
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: old Bishop of piece of garbage, because that's that's as
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: bad as it gets in public. For Sean McDermott is, hey,
• 54:06
  Speaker 5: you should come to camp, and I'm like, oh my gosh, like.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Burn like seriously, whoa man? You know?
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: And then later on a couple days later, he's like, hey,
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: you know, one of the things I really like is
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: that I like, you'd like to see that improvement from
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: spring to summer, and you like to see them picking
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: up and really master And I'm like, whoa, that turned
• 54:26
  Speaker 5: around fast, Like that trajectory is meaningful. And so I
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: know Rap on the arm, you know, and so on
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: and so forth, and I know that they just signed
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Kareem Jackson, who will get suspended immediately for head hunting.
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: That's the first thing I thought of the age.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like, he got suspended like almost like
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: twice in one year for head hunting.
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: Like so, if Taylor Rap and Kareem Jackson end up
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: colliding with each other on a hit, does that mean
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: the end of the world?
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Like is that what happens at that point? Like the
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: world just ceases to exist.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: That's like the final Like that's the final line. And
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: like the Book of Revelation in the Bible that no
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: one's read.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Kareem Jackson and tam Jackson, Kareem Jackson and Taylor Rapp
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: join on a tackle, and the world just ceases to
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: exist the Antichrists. So for me, assuming that the cold
• 55:17
  Speaker 5: buship thing, he does not linger for meaningful amounts of time,
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: because Mike Edwards, I mean, week to week with a hammy,
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: you know how hamleys are.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I mean you.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: Basically just go well, it could be a Terrell Bernard situation,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: but Trel Bernard was you know, he came back and
• 55:36
  Speaker 5: nobody looked good. Like we were all like, please save
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: us Terrell Bernard, like me, like we we gravitated toward
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: Terrell Bernard at the end of training camp preseason last
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: year because no one else looked good, yes, and we're like, uh.
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: Yayrel Bernard right, because the opposite was no disrespect. The
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: other choice was tyroll dot And then Williams look completely lost.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: So wasn't hev him right?
• 55:58
  Speaker 5: Dorian Williams like, as long as you're moving forward, you're fine, right, Yeah,
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: So like just during one's just new Ajklin, right, Ajklin,
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: move forward and you're fine. Anything else, you know, we
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: gotta figure it out. So for me, that's that's a
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: big surprise. The change in trajectory from early Coal Bishop
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: to most recent Coal Bishop is meaningful like that. I'm
• 56:26
  Speaker 5: not used to things changing around that fast. So for me,
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: that's that's my surprise.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: And you know what he.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Sunday, he stood out for me a ton. The Bills
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: were doing a lot of a lot of on the
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: snap shifting as they're ones to do, right this guy's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: and coverage, you know, wink wink, nudge, nudge and everything
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: they were doing. But you can just see, and I
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: know this probably isn't a shock, but you can just
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: see the difference in his athleticism versus all of the
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: other safeties. And granted Edwards was banged up that day,
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: but so he was kind of you can tell he
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: wasn't right. I didn't even banged up. Off He's important
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: to dude, just hasn't been able to get together. But
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you know, Hamlin isn't just a star athlete. Rap isn't
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: a star athlete. And I don't think Bishop necessarily played
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: on tape to the testing immeasurables that he showed. But
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: he's a better athlete than Rap and Hamlin and it
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: showed watching him be in the box and spinning to
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: the post on the snap, so fluid, so just like
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: just so so streamlined and efficient in his movements. And
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: then the opposite right like he's he's in the post
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: pre snap and on the snap they're spinning and he's
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: reading the route distribution like it's trips to one side
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: and it ends up being a four strong and he's
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: reading through the route distributions and he's getting down to
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the running back because he's covering the flat and he
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: takes care of it and it's covered three like even
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: some the Bills got them in motion and and and
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: hit him with a fake snap and the Bills had
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: already rotated out of it. So he's communicating with Nicholas
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: morro because they're just going to stay in that look.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: And then on the snap, hits a push call, reads
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: the distribution closes down in the flat. He looked very
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: good on Sunday. I hope that injury is not serious
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: and is not long term. I also hope if it
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: is no disrespect to Kareem Jackson, sign Justin Simmons or
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: Quandre Diggs, they're both still out there. Like I feel
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: like I'm Will Ferrell and Zoolander like I'm taking crazy pills.
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why they're both still free agents. They
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: must have ridiculous contract demands or there's something I don't know,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: because I see the tape for Simmons and I see Simmons,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: and I watch the tape for Diggs and I see that, like,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and I would take either of those guys as as
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: one of my starting safeties right now.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Or both.
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: I'd sign them both and make them both.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: The starting safeties. Like that's what I would do right now.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, hopefully cole Bishop comes through and that injury
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: isn't serious. And that's a good call on on what
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: McDermott said in that turnaround. My surprise, I have multiple
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: hair kind of lumped into one. It's really the success
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: of three players. I alluded to one of them earlier
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: with Ray Davis, even though it's not a complete surprise,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: but the level to which he's performed, but MATC Collins,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Keon Coleman and Ray Davis, all three of them in
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: the past game and as pass catchers, particularly with key
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: On Coleman his especially at this point now everyone's talking about,
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: like his athleticism, is translator.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: Right. We've seen some ball winning moments.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: We've seen the hands, We've seen the ability to go
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: up and get the football and play above the ram.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: We've seen the body control and all that stuff.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: For me, it's been his.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: Workout of the slot and even when he's outside as well,
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: his ability to find space, read coverage and or leverage
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: and pairing that along with his athleticism and seeing where
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: he is in that regard. I did not know how
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: far along he would be in that aspect, and I
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: didn't necessarily think that was a bad thing, right. I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: think the tip of the spear for this passing attack
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: is still Dalton Kinkaid. You've got Shakir, you've got Samuel,
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: You've got more of these known quantities. You've got the
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: run game, and you've got Josh Allen. So even if
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Keon Coleman was just a physical, good blocking wide receiver
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: who's a red zone threat, who gives you some athleticism
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: on the outside, in the slot and in condensed looks,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I was cool with that. Like I wasn't a big
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: he's got a show at X, Y and Z in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: year one or he's going to be a bust. But
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: seeing the level at which he's finding success underneath, both
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: out of the slot and outside and again reading coverage,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: reading leverage and doing so within the rhythm of Josh
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: Allen's dropbacks, and being a go to for him and team.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: That surprised me because I just didn't expect that level
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: of functionality from him in that technical aspect. I still
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: do think he has to refine some aspects with a
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: stem and his route running, which again I think will
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: come in time for him. But yeah, seeing how well
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: he's performed from an IQ standpoint has just been tremendous
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: and Due is super smart. For as much as all
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: the talk is about him being charismatic in these offseason
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: interviews and in that clip from the NFL Draft or
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: from the combine when he's talking with the Bills staff,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the thing that always hit me was how smart he was.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Like he's talking about tape study, and he's talking about
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: scheme and structure and x's and o's and how he's
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: adjusting and what he's reading and what he's seeing. But
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: all of that is wrapped in this charismatic, funny package.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: And so the charisma and the funniness is what gets
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: the shine. The intelligence is what's stuck out to me,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: and you're seeing that play out a little bit already
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: with the athleticism, and so just where he's starting at
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: surprise has surprised me. Matt Collins in a very similar
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: way as well. How many reps he's gotten with the Ones,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: how he's being used, Like they're sending him in motion
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: pre snapped to be like the lead blocker on a run,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: or they're like, they'll send him and have him be
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: the guy who's cutting off the back on split zone.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Then they'll send him again and it ends up being
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: return motion and they're using him to out leverage the
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: defense horizontally and they're.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: Getting the ball to doom in the flat.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: The first couple of days in practice, he was the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: first in every drill, not necessarily first in terms of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: best performer, but like the first to do EVERYDP, every drop,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: every rep in wide receiver drills. Just all the reps
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: that he's got with the Ones, the targets that he's
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: getting from Allen, the targets that he's getting from Trubisky
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: when he runs with the twos, how much he's involved
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: when they go eleven or they go twelve, and how
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: much he's on the field, and I thought that made
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: sense to a degree because even if he was just
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: doing the Gabe Davis role from last year and the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: years before, he'd have value. But I think he has
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: even more value if they go with condensed formations and
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: reduce their formational with more which they look to be
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: doing thus far in camp. But he's just shown better
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: as a pass catcher than I thought he had. And
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: you know, he's shown flashes of it on tape. There's
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: a couple of really good reps with Atlanta last year
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: where he shows subtlety and he shows nuance in his
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: route and where he shows a little headfake and changes
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: his eyes and he gets Rasoul Douglas when Douglas was
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: with Green Bay to bite like he's gonna run outside
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: and he puts that foot in the ground and snaps
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it back inside and creates about four or five yards
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: of separation. So he showed flashes of it. But how
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: successful he's been as a pass catcher in terms of
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: similar to Coleman, finding base underneath, but also in the intermediate,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: you know, being able to be that basic in on
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: a dagger concept and finding that space inside. His size
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: is playing the athleticism is playing, the hands are playing.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: He does have.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Legitimate special teams value, but he's shown to be a
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: competent wide receiver in terms of being a pass catcher.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Pairing that with what he is as a rum blocker
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: is absolutely tremendous and actually even as a pass protector.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I tweeted something from his time in Oakland a couple
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: of years ago where he's one on one blocking a
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: defensive end on the front side of a bootleg for
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: Derek Carr, and he's the front side only protector against
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: this defensive end and he blocks him one on one
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: and literally blocks him and takes him up and allows
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Car to get out the front door.
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  Speaker 4: It's beautiful.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: But yeah, just the level at which he's played as
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: a pass catcher has surprised me a bit.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Ray Davis, you know you talked about him.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I had a good bar set for him, like I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: expected good things from him. He's surpassed that high bar
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: that I set for him. He consistently wins out of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the backfield and team in one on ones. And it's
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: just the variety of what he's doing, the option routes,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: the angle routes, or the Texas routes, reading leverage from
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: a defender and figuring it out if he has to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: pop inside or pop inside. He's winning up the seam,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: he's winning on rail routes. He looks extremely comfortable as
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: a pass catcher, and again it's not a surprise because
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: the tapes showed that at Kentucky, but to hit the
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: ground running the way he has similar to Keon Coleman.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: For me, just granted Kon showing more of things that
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: I hadn't necessarily seen with consistency at Florida State, but
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the way he's hit the ground running, Ray Davis has
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: hit the ground running, but he's just continuing to show
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: what he was at Kentucky already in week one of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: NFL training camp and that seamless transition he's made. He's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: had a couple of fumbles which haven't been great, but
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: he's also busted a couple of big runs with the
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: ones and the twos.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: He's looked very good.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: And again I had a high bar set for him,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: but even with that high bar, he's still surprised me
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: with what he's done and how good he looks. And
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I would not be surprised to your comment earlier in
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: this episode, if he took away not just like goal
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: line stuff or you know, some of Cook's value there,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if he ate into that snapshare
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: and we're looking at more of a time share and
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: a one A one B scenario than we're looking at
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: a one and a two like potentially may have been thought,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: which again is understandable. Cook had a very good year
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: last year. But Ray Davis looks like a legitimate dude
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: who to steal your line, is good at the footballs
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: and just yeah, what he's been as a past protector
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: is really impressed me and surprised me as well then.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: And I for me, that's a lot because I set
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: a high bar for him and he still cleared that
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: high bar.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 4: So it's been tremendous.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Anything else on surprise before we wrap up with our miscellaneous, No.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: Let's see the miscellaneous, let's throw it all in there.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: I have got anything random, anything, anything, Everything that you
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: want to mention flor is yours.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: I want to talk about condensed formations because you talked
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 5: about him. I missed out on like a month and
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 5: a half, Like, actually that's not true.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: I missed out on three months.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: Of say, I was literally gon say it was only
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: a month and a half.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, I'm able to do three months
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 5: of conversation in a month and a half because of
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 5: how incredibly efficient I am and how I don't overtalk
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 5: ah ah.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: So condensed formations.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: So the first thing is that the Buffalo Bills have
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 5: faced and will continue to face, a large amount of
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 5: man coverage. One of the best ways that you can
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 5: schematically say okay, well, how are you scheming someone open?
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: A lot of that comes from the benefits that you
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 5: get from your detense formations. Gives you easier picks, easier rubs.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: One of the things I need you to understand is
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 5: this isn't like doing backyard football. Your defender cannot always
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 5: line up directly across from you and man coverage like,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: That's not how it works. So if you condense the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: offensive formation, the defensive formation does not condense to the
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: same level. And because of that, you have natural leverage
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: with many routes that you can use to scheme people open.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: In addition, you are now adding gap to the run game.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 5: So this is the way you think about it from
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: a math standpoint. Okay, it is easier for a defense
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: to get five people in five gaps than it is
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 5: for them to get seven people in seven gaps. It
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: is easier for them to get seven people in seven
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: gaps than it is for them to get nine people
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: in nine gaps. The thing that goes wrong when the
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: math is wrong isn't as often the offense.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: As it is the defense.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: This is why you hear gap integrity all the time
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 5: from defensive coordinators, because you're stressing your gap integrity because
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: the more gaps you add, the more likely it is
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 5: that someone's going to make a mistake. Of the people
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: who are more likely to make a mistake, it's more
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: defense than it is offense, which means it's a little
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: bit like playing yolo with backup quarterbacks. So one of
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: the things that I talk about a lot with backup
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: quarterbacks is if I cannot get competence, at least give
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: me variants. If I cannot get consistently high level play,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: at least give me yola. Because if I get variants,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: then I have a chance to, you know, pull off
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 5: something nuts. It's the same thing when it comes to
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 5: math on the offensive side. If I have to introduce
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 5: more variants, I want to do that on offensive side,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: because you're more likely to screw it up than I am,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 5: because I know the play and you don't. You have
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: to react to the play. In addition, putting people in
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: motion from condensed sets now takes those gaps and starts
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 5: shifting them around, and now you have to pull off
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: gap exchanges on the defensive side. You have to account
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 5: for gaps that were not their pre snap that are
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: now their post snap, which then increases the probability of
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: you making a mistake. Now your next question is going
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: to be, well, then why doesn't everybody do it all
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: the time? What are the downsides? It's hard to identify pressure,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: So the reason why.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: And even coverage to a degree as well, because you've
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: got more waste of disguise that if you present more
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: bodies towards the line of scrimmage in next spot.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: The reason why Ryan Fitzpatrick wanted everything spread out is
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: so that he could identify coverages and pressure coming quicker.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: Because the Bill's offensive line when Ryan Pitsfatrick career was garbage.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: He made them look a lot better because he got
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: the ball out quick. He got out the ball quick
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: because he was able to do id's pre snap. He
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: was able to do id pre snap because you spread
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: the field. So all this stuff is connected. So it's
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: not like there's no downside. But guess what the Buffalo
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: Bills have now that they haven't had in a while.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: A competent offensive line coach and defensive offensive line. You
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: can afford to do this. It's the same reason why
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: the Lions can afford to do this. And so for me,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: that's one of the things that we need to talk
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: about when it comes to condensed formations. There is no like, well,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: this is just the button you press and everything goes better.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: But it happens to lean in to the things that
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: the Buffalo Bills are now good at or could be
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: good in the future. In addition, those boots that Anthony
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: was talking about that you just never run with Josh Allen,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: those are way better from condensed formations, like, way better
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: from condensed formations. And so for me, when you okay,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: we're gonna go down this road again. So okay, So
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: Sean McVay runs like eighty five percent eleven personnel in Los.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: Angeles right, literally last year they had a nine eleven
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: personnel rate and that's with Cooper.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: Time, right, ridiculous it's just it's all eleven all the time.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 5: But he has the bodies to be able to do
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 5: that and still run condensed formations because he can allow
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: his receivers to block. Do you know who didn't have
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 5: the people to do that? Like this is all tying together.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: It's a beautiful thing.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well they wanted to add size so they can
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: get ball winners.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: No, they want to have size so they can use
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 5: condensed formations and use them as blockers.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: You're echoing everything I've said all off season, in all
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: these episodes. So I'm very I'm very please continue.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: I'm so happy.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: It's not, oh, well, we want Keon Coleman so that
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: we can throw the ball.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: No, it's not that. It's not the contested catch thing.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: It's not that all we want maccot. No, it's not that.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: It's so that we can put them all in and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: trust them as blockers, which you can't do if your
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: receivers are cold easily.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: And Emmanuel Sanders or Stefan Diggs to that matter, it's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: not about what you think it's about.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: It's not because well we're gonna go back to Kelvin
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: Benjamin and Andre Holmes and we're gonna throw jump balls
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: and contested catches and that's the way. No, it's because
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: they wanted to do this thing. And you can't do
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: this thing unless you have the personnel to do this thing.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: You can't take advantage of the benefits. But you're gonna
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: get all the drawbacks if you try to do this
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: with tiny receivers. That's what's happening. It's all happening in
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: front of our eyes, and it's a beautiful painting, all
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: coming together.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: And I have no idea if it's gonna work, but
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: at least there's.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: A plan, yeah, and so I will take it. So
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: all that to say, that's why I condense formations. That's
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 5: my miscellaneous.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I hope that makes for an excellent SoundBite at some
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: point it should. I'm gonna go back and I've already
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: be makeing notes on what to put through. Yet you
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: hit so many things I've talked about this offseason, and again,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: like even just speaking about the Rams, that's why talked
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: about them borrowing from the Rams and the Lions. For
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 2: as much as Pookainakua and Cooper Cup are these really
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 2: good pass catching wide receivers and they are they block
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: like tight ends and their monsters as blockers, and Van
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Jefferson was like that before he left that year, even
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: to to at Well, tiny little too to at Well
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: blocks like a dog and a fiend at times. And
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: then look at the Detroit Lions. I'm on Ross Saint
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Brown will erase a nickel corners, he.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Will bury people.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Yes, he is a lead blocker on run places in
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: the is inserting on linebackers on duo like he's the lead.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: That's what's happening. That's that's what's happening.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: And then Detroit you got I'm on rasing Brown who
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: can do that against Nichols and safeties. The second the
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: receivers with the second and third most snaps for the
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: Detroit Lions last year, Josh Reynolds and Donovan People's Jones,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: big bodied, physical dudes who can block. Josh Reynolds is
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: inserting not in on duo and leading for Gibbs and
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: for Montgomery. Josh Reynolds also go Look the first half
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: against the forty nine ers, he is erasing Bosa on
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: the edge the entirety of the first half. The Lions
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: are running cracked toss and he's throwing him off the line.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: And washing him down completely. And that's not granted you
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: have a leverage advantage, but it's still not easy. And
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: edge can still run through your face, or if you
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: take the wrong angle, they can get over you or
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: get underneath you and cut and shave that down. That's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: why I've talked so much about those offenses, because now
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: you've got these bigger body dudes like Keon and Matt Collins.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: Curtis Samuel is a better blocker, then he gets credit
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: for which Joe Brady has talked about. Khalils Shakir has
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: improved as a blocker and gotten better. Shakir was doing
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: work on duo last year towards the end of the season.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: That is that point. And then to add on to
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: one of your.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 4: Pieces as well.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: When you've got more bodies near or attached to the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmaging for the offense, more of the run
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: game is than available to you. You can get two
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: more from a concept standpoint in terms of zone end gap.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: You can marry the run in the past better. You
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: can get everything to look the same or similar right
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: immediately on the post snap and then flip and all
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: of a sudden it's play action and the defense is
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: completely bought into it being a run. And then yeah,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: pairing it with boots and everything. It just and again
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: not too bang on the drum and say that everybody
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: who goes with reduced formational with is a better offense.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: But you look at the mcveigh's and the Shanahans of
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: the world, and then Ben Johnson again, and you talk
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: about their trees. The teams are the lowest formational withs.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: The Niners, the Rams, the Dolphins, the Texans, and the
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Lions last year all coming from those mcveay Shanahan trees
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: that are very innovative in terms of leading this league
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: and being at the forefront of a lot of stuff.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: And then you have Ben Johnson, who's kind of in
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: his own world but is one of the hot button
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: guys anybody to any time anyone talks about offensive schematics
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: and who's doing what properly. I love that you pointed
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: out the condensed formation stuff because I've drilled I've done
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: so many episodes on it and highlighted it and talk
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: about it, and yet it really is a very important piece.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: My miscellaneous is a player one. I went individual Curtis
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Samuel just overall how much he's being featured, and how
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: he's getting And this makes sense, right, Brady had him
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: in Carolina get a very good year with Brady, which
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about briefly in this Bring him in.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: You know that that is a guy that Brady either
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: advocated for or was very much on board with because
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: of his experience with him, knows how to use him
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: and get the best out of him. But again, just
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: how much he's being featured and how he's getting reps
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: at running back, in team and an individual. For as
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: much as we've talked about motion and shifts and all
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: this stuff pre snap, he has been the one that
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: has been put in motion the most. He is getting
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: lined up at the Z and in the slot, and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: even at running back, he's getting shifts, he's getting motion,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: he's getting jet stuff, he's getting returned stuff. He's getting
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: out into the route distribution. They're given him the ball
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: on screens and on bubbles. He's hitting stuff and the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: seam and on deep.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Crossers and overs.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: His speed is helping and playing his hands in athleticism
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: are translating. And just how much he's being used and
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: how he's being used, again, I don't know what the
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: target shared is going to look like, and if he's
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: going to be one thousand yard receiver and get one
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: hundred targets. But he is somebody who they are specifically
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: designing for and scheming for already. They are using him
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: to outleverage the defense from a horizontal standpoint, which again
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: pairs well with the condensed formation aspect. In the spread,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: you're filling space up with bodies pre snap. When you
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: go condensed, you're filling that empty space with bodies post snap,
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: and you've got more opportunity to work horizontally. They're using
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: that a lot for Curtis Samuel in terms of sending
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: him in motion to outleverage the defense and or present
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: looks that give you an advantageous spot in the run
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: or pass. They're putting him on the move a ton,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: and it's creating opportunities for him and the offense in general.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: And I mentioned him playing under Joe Brady. He played
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: under Brady in twenty twenty. That year, amongst eighty seven
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: qualifying wide receivers, Curtis Samuel was twenty third in EPA
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: per target, twenty first in yards per route run, seventh
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: in on target catch percentage, tied for thirty in yards
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: per target, twenty fifth in QB rating when targeted, and
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: then a little ones here at the end. He was
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: eightieth in average depth of target and sixty eighth in
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: average depth of catch. Brady used him a ton in
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: the underneath and low intermediate to exploit defenses. He's getting
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: some of that now, but he's also working in more
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: deep shots and more vertical elements downfield, and especially pairing
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: that with the condensed looks, you create those opportunities for explosives.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Right if you're mixing in the run from these condensed
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: looks and you're hammering a team, you start to throw
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: some motions in there. But even if you don't, and
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now you hit that play
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: action boot and you hit Curtis Samuel on a thirty
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: yard cross or downfield, and maybe he generates some yards
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: after catch because of all the open space because you
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: sucked in the second and maybe some third level defenders,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: or maybe because you're running the ball well and you're
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: presenting that condensed look and the defense has to honor
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: the twelve personnel that's around the line of scrimmage or
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: the bigger bodied wide receivers you have that are around
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage, maybe they're in a single high
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: look pre snap, and now there's even more space between
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: the second and third level for Samuel generates some yards
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  Speaker 2: after catch. We all knew I think he was going
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: to be a factor in the offense. How much of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: a concerted effort Brady has put in terms of putting
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: him on the move to take advantage or has say,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: to create an advantage for him pre snap and set
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: him up for success has been a very very very
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: very big thing for me. Just every single every single day,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: seven on seven in team Samuel is in motion a ton.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: You could tell they're really making a concerted effort to
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: get him the ball and create open spots and open
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: looks for him and scheme him up.
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  Speaker 4: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Bruce, go to put down the banner. Anything you want
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  Speaker 2: to add or speak about. Feel free if you want
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: to say goodbye, because it is late and we have
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: talked a lot as we are once to do here.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do, whatever you want to plug,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: whatever you want to say.
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  Speaker 4: The floor is yours. I appreciate you do what you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: want to do.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 5: I would like to share something that I've been thinking
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 5: about recently. I shared on my podcast last week that
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: one of the things I've been dwelling on is that
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: meaning is granted through finitude. Right, things are granted value
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: because they end right their finite. So for me, the
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: thing that I've been really thinking about is do we
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: know what leadership means? Josh Allen's leadership has been talked
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: about a lot, and I just I'm gonna talk about
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: my pod this week, so I'm not gonna spoil that, like,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: but I just wanted everybody think about like the greatest
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: leaders that you've met in your life and just ask yourself,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: like stylistically, were they all the same.
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  Speaker 1: And what what do they have in common?
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  Speaker 5: I just I think I have a joke that in
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: corporate America, leadership means is tall and or has a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 5: loud voice.
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  Speaker 1: Right, That's that's what they.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: Mean, and says words like synergy, right, synergy Right, Let's
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  Speaker 5: just make sure we're in alignment on this, right. I'm
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: gonna try you corporate lingo with my wife like for
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: like five minutes without like breaking into like tears from
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: laughing so hard.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Just see how he goes, sweetheart.
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  Speaker 5: I just want to circle back if we could on
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: the topic regarding dinner tonight and I gets the timeline.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: Want to make sure we're aligned, you know, if there's
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 5: a project program that I need to be part of.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: I just want to make sure that we have a
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  Speaker 5: kind of a timeline, you know, make sure all the
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 5: interested parties, right, the internal stakeholders are are part of
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: Internal stakeholders. I like that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: That's good so for me, I just I just I
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  Speaker 5: think we just we really went with spiraled off when
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 5: the whole Josh Allen leadership conversation came around, and I
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: just I want to encourage people, like, maybe you should
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 5: think about what leaders actually look like and then decide
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: for yourself what you think that looks like, because I
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: think we just the executive leadership and the executive tone
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: and that was a whole conversation and the Tim Grant
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 5: article and Josh Allen's leadership, and I just I gotta
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  Speaker 5: be honest, I just think we have this idea of
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: what it's supposed to look like from tone right to
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 5: like visual, and I just don't think it's true if
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  Speaker 5: we think about it in terms of our own vision
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: and the leaders that we've actually looked at, and I
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: think that if we don't view ourselves as leaders, we
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  Speaker 5: don't think about it at all.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: That's what it boils down to.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: People who are or aspiring to be leaders. They read
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 5: leadership books and they pay attention to leadership. People who aren't,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: like in their head, it's like it doesn't even exist.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: They just say, well, you know, leadership. Yeah, So, like
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  Speaker 5: I would encourage us to like not say things like
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: that until we like think about it. And so my
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: encouragement was, there's a lot of weird stuff I saw
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: ever since that whole Josh Allen Tim Graham article about
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: Terry Pagoula maybe pushing a more executive tone for Josh Allen,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: I was like, do any of you know what that is? Like,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: do any of you have it like your own theories?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: And I'm not here to tell you what it is.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, have you ever actually thought about it?
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Or are you just reacting?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: And so my encouragement would be like, maybe let's, I
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: don't know, let's define leadership before we like fly off
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  Speaker 5: the handle. And I'm not saying it has to be
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: my definition, but it has to be.
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  Speaker 1: At least yours.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, But if you can't define it, then maybe we're
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: not in a good place to judge it.
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's very good. Especially in sports. I feel
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: like that term in that word gets thrown out a ton. Oh,
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: well this team fill out in the playoffs because they
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: lack leadership, or it's especially it's usually used in a
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: negative connotation. Well, this team failed because they didn't have leadership,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: they didn't have this. But I think often it's it
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: oftentimes is just used as a blanket.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: Labeling or a blanket term.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: And yeah, the actual definition of it in terms of
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: what we look I feel like that'd be a hard thing.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: If you like, what does leadership look like to you?
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: I feel like people don't have to think for it
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit. They may not even have a definition
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: of it. I like that, well said, Well said Bruce.
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  Speaker 4: We went long. I thought we and we were making
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 4: We were doing so good at first, we really were.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: We got excited about condensed formation.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: We did, we did. The excitement threw us off. We
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: we were on track in the beginning the first two segments.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: We nail it. But regardless, I had a tremendous time.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna send you on your merry way.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to continue and answer some question for questions
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: from the chat and have a little bit more of
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: a conversation on this Tuesday night. But I appreciate real
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I'm falling apart. Maybe I'm not going to continue. I
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time as always to join me,
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: crushing it like you always do, and like I said
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: in the beginning, very much. Welcome back to the podcasting space,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: and I'm very happy for you that the Bruce exclusive
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: is a thing once again, as I'm sure everybody here
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: in the chat is, and a lot of people are
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: as echoed by and evidence by those numbers when you
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: returned and what you've been doing since. But again, I
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: appreciate you. You're fantastic. I'll see you in the DMS. Go
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: get some sleep and get some rest. Hypodised for keeping
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: you late as always, Thank you so much, and I
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: appreciate the hell out of you.
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  Speaker 1: No worries. My wife will completely understand when I walk out.
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  Speaker 1: You go what till you? So make sweetheart, contense formations.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, no, no, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: So have a wonderful evening.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: Thank you to all the listeners and all the people
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: who are in the chat engaging in this lovely conversation.
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  Speaker 1: I'll catch you on the flippity flip and bye bye bye, Bruce.
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  Speaker 4: Oh Man. Tremendous.
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  Speaker 2: Also, like as mentioned earlier, like legitimately happy that Bruce
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: is back in this space and has his platform because
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: this platform is so unique and so tremendous and so
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: well done in a variety of ways, just his knowledge,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: but how he goes about presenting it and who he is.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: He is unique, and I hate leaning into that because
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like you can be unique and also still
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: not be good, but he is both. So major congratulations
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: and Bruce are getting back on the Bruce Exclusive and
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: thank you to him for joining. Like I mentioned earlier,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: when I dive into some questions from the live chat,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: I've started a couple of things, or a couple things
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: I just want to speak about, including some condensed formation stuff,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: but you know, Bruce hit a ton of it, which
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: kind of worked out in my favor already. But any thoughts, questions, comments, concerns,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: anything you've seen in camp that you have a question about,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: anything you've seen that you're bothered by, any of your
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: surprise at Standout's disappointments, anything and everything you got if
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: you are in the live chat, if you want to
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: put any of it into the chat, I will bring
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: those things up now. If there's something I missed earlier,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I apologize. But anything and everything you folks got, if
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: you're still riding with me here live in this episode,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: throw that into the chat and we'll dive.
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  Speaker 4: Into it and talk about it as we wind down
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  Speaker 4: here on this show.
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  Speaker 2: While you folks in the chat potentially start doing that,
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  Speaker 4: Say it all the time.
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  Speaker 2: I did not partner with them, you know, because of
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  Speaker 2: just anything. And I don't say they're the best pizza
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  Speaker 2: in Buffalo because they sponsored the show. They sponsored the
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  Speaker 2: show because I think they are the best pizza. I
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  Speaker 2: reached out to another pizza spot on Twitter, and One
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  Speaker 4: I had heard them of them at that point.
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  Speaker 2: They offered me an opportunity to kind of come in
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  Speaker 2: and taste what they got going on, and it was
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  Speaker 2: and special kinds of mac and cheeses. Like, they really
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  Speaker 2: and they also do a lot for the community in
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  Speaker 2: So you know, go treat yourself and your taste buds
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  Speaker 4: Ooh, I like what.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, let's throw up the I saw
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  Speaker 2: a comment from RJ and it stopped me in my tracks.
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  Speaker 4: RJ says, I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Getting one pie pizza this Friday.
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  Speaker 4: Before they're write and Blue practice. That's the scrimmage. She said.
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  Speaker 4: It became a tradition.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I like that a lot.
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  Speaker 4: That's a very good tradition. What traditions do I have?
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  Speaker 4: For one pie?
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  Speaker 2: I get one pie on Night one of the draft,
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  Speaker 2: also night two. I usually get one pie for opening
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  Speaker 2: whatever opening bills game is. So week one, whether it's
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: a day game, whether it's Monday night, Sunday night, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting one pie.
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  Speaker 4: I also get one pie a lot. In general.
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  Speaker 2: It's usually like at least once a month on average,
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  Speaker 2: or if I miss like a month, the next month
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  Speaker 2: I'll get it like two or three times.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: Get some one pie before the SCRIMMAGEO on Friday. Well done, RJ,
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  Speaker 2: well done.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go back. De says people who use the words
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  Speaker 4: beta and alpha are pretty hilarious. I like that. I
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  Speaker 4: like that.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, this is a good comment from coach Chapman saying
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: leadership doesn't look the same from every leader. Absolutely, leadership
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: takes many different forms.
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  Speaker 4: I like that. I like that.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Joe says, a premiere experience at camp.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: How was Solomon looking?
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 2: I thought, in again, I wasn't there for for pads,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: but in watching the unpadded practices, the athleticism, plays, the juice, plays,
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  Speaker 2: good moves. He had one, Oh, I forget. I think
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: it was against I think it was against the second
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: team offensive line. He had a rep where he I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: don't want to say von Miller asked, because he evokes
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: kind of the wrong or unfair comparisons. But von Miller asked,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: from the standpoint of his jump off the ball, how
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: smooth he was bending and dipping around the right tackle
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: and just flattening and getting to the quarterback. It would
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: have been a sack if the bullets were live, but
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: it wasn't because there's no pads. I thought he's shown
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: good quickness. I think you can see flashes of that technique.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: His hand usage is good in drills. I like what
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: I've seen for him or from him, I should say,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: I am interested to see him in the preseason again.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: My big thing and I did a video breakdown of
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: him a couple of weeks ago. If you haven't checked
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that out, go check that out on the cover one
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: YouTube channel War and the Disguise coverage playlist. He did
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: a film full film and analytics breakdown of Javon Solomon
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: of his tape last year from twenty twenty three at Troy.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: My biggest concern with him is just how he's going
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: to play against the size and length and sets of
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: offensive tackles in the NFL, and we're not going to
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: know that until we get to the preseason. I guess
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: the scrimmage will give us a little bit of an
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: indicator this Friday, which will be nice, but the preseason,
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: when the bullets are live, I think will really help.
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: I want to see how he plays the run, even
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: though if he makes this team and is active on
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: game day, I don't think he's going to be asked
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: to defend the run regularly, just given what I think
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: the edges ahead of him are going to look like.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: If he's active on game day, it's to hunt on
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: known passing downs and in known passing situations. But regardless,
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: he is on the smaller side of being under six
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: to one and being about two hundred and forty six pounds,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: So he's under six one, he's under two fifty. How
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: does that athleticism play does his overall smaller stature in
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: terms of size and weight. Is he getting chucked around?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Is he able to hold his ground? Is he able
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 2: to penetrate. What does he do when things kind of
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: getting close and they cut down the space? Is he
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: able to maintain winning with speed and athleticism and bend
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: and mitigating the size difference between himself and offensive tackles
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: so once the bullets are alive. He's a dude that
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see because he's got some really
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: great tape at Troy. But from what I've seen thus far,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 2: I think his his fluidity plays, the athleticism plays, and
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the hand technique and hand usage has played as well.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: Hard to again really judge pass rush plan and setups
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: and everything, just given the unpadded nature of everything and
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: the fact that it's like not game situations.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I think he's looked good.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: He's looked fluid and fast and athletic, which is nice
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: because the Bills don't have a ton of that at
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: the edge spot.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: Depending on what happens with Fund.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Followed from Joey said, and was Carter bat or just
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: not really flashing in any exceptional way.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: He wasn't bad.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't have my eyes on him a ton, so
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: I can't really sit there and say like I washed
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: every rap and he was battery was great. But he
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: didn't flash for me. There wasn't the guys who I
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: saw make plays in the trenches. And again I wasn't,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: you know, grilling the trenches because they didn't have pads on.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: But you know, I would watch a play get blown
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: up and I look real quick and op it was
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: at Oliver Op it was Greg Russo. Smoot flashed a bunch,
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Von Miller flashed a bunch. I see to AJM Vanessa
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: do some stuff. I'd see Austin Johnson and Sean Williams.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I just didn't see Carter flash in any way, So
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: it doesn't necessarily mean he was doing bad.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: But I didn't see anything where I was like, oh,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: who blew that up?
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, there's Carter, oh man, who
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: got into the backfield fast up?
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: You know it was Carter.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: I saw flashes from other people, Solomon included on the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: defensive line, but yeah, I just didn't see that from
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: mister Carter. Chris says, any word on how day Kwon
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: Hardy has looked. Does he have a real shot of
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: making the roster's returners? As slashed backup seb he was.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: In the mix for returner?
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: Who was he was with the initial five on Day
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: one on Sunday, there was really a main three that
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: was folks that returner. It was Hamler, Hardy, and Andy Isabella.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: I believe.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: I think Hardy is a logistic, like a logistic, legitimate
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: real shot and making it as a returner slat CB
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: is gonna be tough. He really is small from a
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: size and frame standpoint. His technique isn't bad, the athleticism
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: isn't bad, the speed isn't bad.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: But he just really is small.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard for him to kind of live
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: in the world in a Bill's Nickel world, given what's
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: asked of him in terms of defending the run and
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: defending the pass and a variety of situations.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: But I think he does.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: He does have a real shot to make the team
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: as a returner and maybe even back up slot CB.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: It looks like cam Lewis is kind of the number
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 4: two in that area.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: And to Corey Kouch somebody who I really like from Miami,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: a UDFA out of Miami is getting some reps there
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: with the twos and threes as well. But just if
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: if he is that returner, it gives him a shot
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: if he offers some mix with CB. I think there's
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: a shot for him to make this roster. Johnny says,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: who would give us a vertical threat if MVS doesn't
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: make the team, excluding Samuel's who would be used elsewhere?
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: That's what's tough.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: If MBS doesn't make the team, like I think Samuel
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: or Samuel, I think Coleman is faster than he gets
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: credit for, but he's not a burner. Mac Collins is
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: more athletic and faster than he gives that he gets
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: credit for, but he's not a burner. Shakir is faster
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: than he gets credit for, but he's not a burner.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: If it's non MVS, then you're really looking to add
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Is it kJ Hammler, Is it Chase
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: Claypool somehow who hasn't looked great.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: I'm looking up Tyros Shavers.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Isn't a burner, but he's good enough his forty times
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: a four five nine, which I think he kind of
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: plays to like. He's not slow, but he's not really fast.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: If it's not MVS, I think you're lacking verticality. You're
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: lacking straight line downfield speed from a stretch standpoint and
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: from a overall stretch the defense standpoint. Oh and Johnny,
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: you are the one who I start earlier. You asked
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: what is the advantage of condensed formations. I know Bruce
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: talked about it a bunch, but just kind of hit
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 2: those points. The advantage of it is you can marry
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: more of the run in the past in terms of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: making pass plays look like run plays in just terms
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: of what you can do immediately post snap and on
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: the snap, the layers that you can add in terms
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: of your play action game and your bootleg game, how
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: much of the menu you can access from the run
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: in terms of zone and gap scheme concepts. And then
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: also you know, if you have the body types like
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: the Bills do, you're able to present a mismatch for
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: defenses in terms of fitting the run. So if they
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: are mismatches in general, but if you're a defense and
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: you want to stay in nickel cool, you have you know,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: those five dbs on the field.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: But the three wide receivers for the.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: Bills are Curtis Samuel mccollins, and Keyon Coleman, all dudes
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: who can block Envy. Holland's and Coleman are both bigger
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: type dudes who potentially insert you have a size advantage
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: there does that nickel corner have to match with one
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: of the tight ends in some way, shape or form.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: So you present the opportunity to basically have less tells
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: for a defense in terms of diagnosing if it's going
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: to be a run or a pass pre snap, you
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: can access more of the run game menu by having
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: more bodies attached to and or closer to the line
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: of scrimmage. You can also stress the defense more horizontally.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: You also have the opportunity to generate more explosives from
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: a play action standpoint because of that marrying of the
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: run in the past and kind of making everything look
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: similar in order to fool the defense and sucking defenders
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: the under center game to kind of get qbs and rhythm,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: and then also the opportunity to kind of work quickly
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: and be in rhythm and hit things underneath. Those are
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: some of the main ones in terms of what you're
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: looking at in terms of advantages of condensed formations. But again,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: you need to have the offensive line to be able
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: to pull it off, and to make it really work.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: With the run, you need to have the right body types,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: which is why you know the forty nine Ers are
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: one of the leaders in it. Why because they've got
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: tight ends and wide receivers who are big and athletic
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: and confunction in the run. In the past, Miami has
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: some dudes who can do that, but they have alec
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Engold who allows them to get into a bunch of
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: you know, advantageous looks and create mismatches.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: The Texans have, right, you know, Robert.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: Woods and Nico Collins, dudes who block their butts off
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: and are also good pass catchers. We already talked about
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Detroit and then we talked about the Rams. So again,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: you haven't have the right body types and the offensive
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: line to pull it off. You also need a quarterback
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: who could process accurately and efficiently and be able to
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: work quick game because there are more bodies around the
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage. Again, like Bruce talked about, a defense
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: has the opportunity to disguise coverage or present certain blitz
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: looks that can cause you problems. So you really have
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: to be able to sort things out pre snap, but
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: also post snap as well. But again, the main advantages
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: are what we talked about here.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: Bruce hit a bunch of them, but I wanted to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: dive into that one more time, just to.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Really drill home on it, and not to not to
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: plug anything I've done previously, but I've done a ton
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: of episodes this offseas and talking about it a ton.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: I did one episode in particular titled what is it
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: which offense is to borrow from? And I went and
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: broke down tape on the Lions and the Rams and
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: the Texans and broke down their condensed formations, talked about
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: why their advantageous, how to attack defenses, how it ties
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: in with how the Bills have built themselves. I also
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: talked about it in the episode I did with Mina
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: Kimes and the episode I did with Jpacosta earlier this
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: offseason as well.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: So I've done I've done it.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: It's been my biggest talking point the entirety of this offseason.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: And not to pat myself on the back, but if
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: they do go condensed formations like I think they look
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: like they are and they're doing, I want everybody to
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: reference me because nobody has been talking about it like
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: I have, and I want the credit for this. Where
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: else do we go? This is a good one from Roy?
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: Roy says, Okay, and my big question why do we
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: drive on a parkway but park on a driveway? I
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: was not ready for this level of philosophical debate. This
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: is blowing my mind right now. I've never thought of this.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: Why do we drive on a parkway but park on
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 2: a driveway? Well, I don't know why.
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: Is Iceland mainly green and Greenland is covered in ice?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: It's just paradoxes and irony. I was not level for.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: I was not ready for this, especially at this point
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: in the episode, Like, it just blew my mind. And actually,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: if this would happened earlier, probably wouldn't just canceled the show.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: Dobbs said, I've noticed that they put Elam on Coleman
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: for two touchdowns. Elam had great position on Coleman, but
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: he just missed. I think that matchup is intentional. Are
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: they planning on Elam as their press man on split defense?
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's just kind of with how they operate
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: on defense.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: You're seeing a lot of press.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: Actually, Eric and I talked about in the film room
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago, like Christian Benford from a
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: percentage standpoint, is one of the highest corners in press
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: in the entire NFL.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 4: Douglas is in that category as well.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I Press is something they engage in a lot, and
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: also too, I think it. I'm not saying you think
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: this is what I'm about to say, but I always
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: like to talk about it. There's a difference between press
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: versus pressing and jamming someone. Just because you're impressed doesn't
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: mean you're necessarily gonna get hands on the receiver and
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: jam them at the line. You can be impressed and
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: then on the snap bail out right and so you're
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: impress you're right up in their face, and then on
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: the snap you're bailing out. You're not getting hands on anybody.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: And there's also multiple different kinds of press. You can
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: you know, true press on the snap where you're getting
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: hands or you can do more of a soft shoe,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: which is where you're mirroring the wide receiver and you're
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: staying right there in their grill, but you're just kind
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: of mirroring what they're doing. You're using more of your
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: feet than opposed to kind of marrying the feet with
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: the hands. I think they're just playing. They played a
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: lot of press last year. I think they're going to
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: continue to play press this year. I do expect more
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: man coverage in this defense as a whole, how much
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: we'll see, But I think Elam just being on those reps,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: it's just reflective of what they do with their corners.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: It may be more intentional if Elam somehow gets put
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 2: into the starting lineup just because of what his skill
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: set lends itself to. But I think press is a
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: certain element that has always been prevalent in this defense,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: and especially again Benford and Rasul Douglas are both good
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: at it. Their physical they're nasty, they like getting up
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: into dude's faces at the line. They're also good in
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: press bail. But I do think you'll see more man coverage.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: I think you'll see more press man and two man
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: on third downs, similar to what we see in college
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: for a lot of good defenses like Georgia and stuff,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: kind of restricting the airways and the airspace for offenses.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: So I think you'll see more man. I think you'll
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: see more pressman. I don't think it's necessarily indicative of
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: plans for Elam. I think it's just more indicative of
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: the plan for the defense.
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: As a whole.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: Charles said it would seem that Hammler and Hardy are
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: fighting for a roster spot.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: I could see that.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 2: I could see that, Coach Chapman, I think this is
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: about Javon Solomon Kenny bend and burst through contact without pads.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just before I really be like, yeah, he
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: can do X, Y and Z. I just want to
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: see it with pads. I would say the bend.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: I would say he's using his bend in his speed
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: and his hands to limit more contact rather than kind
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: of bend and burst through the contact. I don't think
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: he's going through the half man as much as he
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: is going through an elbow or a forearm or an
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: arm or something like that, because he's won that corner
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: and he's able to turn and go through it. That's
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: part of what I want to see more with pads too. Right,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: as kind of the surface area increases, there's more to grab,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: there's more to hit. How does that kind of change
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: a little bit? So I think the bend in burst
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: is there. Bend and burst through contact. I haven't seen
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: a ton, but again I chalk up a lot of
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: that too not having the pads on and to change
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: in a little bit. Titan says, has there been much
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: running game since the pad run on? I think there's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: been a good amount of running even before the pads
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: went on, but it definitely ratcheted.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 4: Up once you get the pads on a little bit.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: But Nicky says Edwards, Hamster might linger. I really hope
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Bean takes a shot and gets Simmons or Digs, especially
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: in a mcdermom defense. I can't echo this sentiment enough.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: I think about this is and I'm not saying this
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: for like a factor of a joke. I literally think
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: about Justin Simmons and Quandre Diggs every single day. And
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: then if Cole Bishop is hurt and Edwards is hurt,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: if there's anything long term and you know, this is
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: no disrespect to DeMar Hamlin, this is no disrespect to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: Taylor Rapp or Kareem Jackson or anybody that the Bills have.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know how Justin.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Simmons or Quandrey Diggs isn't on this offense. They both
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: still have juice left in the tank. They both fit
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: the defense. And if there's anything long term to Edwards,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: or if they're gonna cut Edwards and Bishop is long
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: term hurt, bring in one of them.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: Please, please, please, please, please please. I'm going to continue to.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: Say this, Charles says, Koluse Shakira is a four point
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: four to three forty that's pretty fast, and he can
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: play through contact just short arms.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: True. I just don't put and not that Shakira was slow.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: I don't think he plays like a four to four
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: three like he's that's a time that you're like, man,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: that dude's a burner. I don't think he's a burner.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think he plays like a four to four
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: to three type of speed. And that's not necessarily a
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: knock on him that does media isn't process or he's
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: not fast, like a lot of the disconnect between timed
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: speeds versus actual game speeds. A lot of that is
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: the processing and if you're able to play at that
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: time speed, and if you can't process accurately and efficiently,
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: you're going to play slower physically because the mental game
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: is holding you up.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's true for Secure.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: I just think he's one of those dudes that you know,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: maybe he practiced the forty enough, and these dudes now
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: like running the forty is scientific. It's not just you
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: line up and your speed is what your speed is.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: They go to camps and they go to professional facilities
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: to train for every single event at the Combine. So
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: you've got guys now who as soon as the season
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: is done, they are training to run the forty. So
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that he's not a four to four
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: to three speed, but maybe game speed's more like a
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: four to four to eight, or like a four to
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: five to one or a four four nine or.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: Something like that.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: But because his form was perfect and he trained his
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: ass off for that forty, he ran a four to
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: four three. He's definitely not slow. I just don't think.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: He's a burner, even though four four three is a
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: good time.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: M mmmmm.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Nick, He says, I'm a little worried about Shakir getting
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: buried behind the wide receivers because he's really similar to Samuel.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: I just think b made it a point to get
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: bigger at wide receiver. I do echo that sentiment in
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: terms of getting bigger at wide receiver. But I think
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: Shakir improving as a blocker last year helps him stay
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: on the field for snaps two. I don't think the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: spread element is gonna go away three. He's still the
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: best option for this team out of the slot. Shakiir
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: as a receiver is the best option for this team
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: in the slot, and he's looked good in camp. Him
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: and Kinkaid. Shakir and Kinkaid are the two best options
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: for options for the Bills out of the slot. And
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: then I'd put Shakir third in Keyan Coleman fourth just
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: because he's an unknown, but he's gonna have value inside
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: as that slot receiver even side a little bit, but
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: also too because he can block. So I think I
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: think he still has value. I think he still has value,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: and I don't think he's gonna go away too much.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, Johnny saying we will be sure to check
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: those out.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel bags.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: I don't want to like recycle stuff. I know there's
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: new people who haven't seen stuff before, so I want
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: to break things down. But I know, like for the
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: people that routinely watch, I've talked about condensed formations so
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: much and reduced formational with like if I was running
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: for president, like that was my platform this offseason. I
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: make it a point every year in the offseason to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: study offensively and defensively as many teams as I can
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: actually usually, like league wide, I try to get to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: every single team, but especially the ones that are kind
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 2: of the trendsetters for aspects of football offensively and defensively
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: from a schematic standpoint or from.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 4: A structure standpoint.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: And so that's where you know, studying the offenses that
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: I studied, all of a sudden it got me. I
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: kept noticing condensed and condensed and condensed through all these
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: games that I was watching on the all twenty two.
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: That led me down that metric and kind of went
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: from there. In terms of that film piece Dobbs has
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: understood actually meant basic man.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: But yeah, to go to your point there, Dobbs with
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Elam and just man in general. Yeah, I do think
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: they'll play more man this year. I don't think it's
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: gonna become their like go to thing, just because it's
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: so hard to live in that world in today's NFL.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: So I think they will be a you know, primarily
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: a zone based defense, but I do think you'll see
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: more man overall from a percentage standpoint and in specific situations,
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: especially on third down. Like I think you'll see more
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 2: two man, which is basically man coverage with two safeties
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: over the top.
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  Speaker 4: I think you'll see more of that on third.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Downs from this defense and then also two when they're
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: playing zone coverage, but when they play match zone coverage,
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: which easiest way to explain it is, you know, instead
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: of just spot drop zone, where you have a zone
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: you're responsible for and on the snap, you know, you
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: drop to that zone and you sit, you look for
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: a receiver coming into it or a pass catcher coming
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 4: Match coverages, you have a.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: Set of rules that you are adhering to, and once
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: a man comes into your zone, especially if it's a
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: man match scheme, which is usually what happens, especially with
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: the Bills, once a defender comes into your zone, you
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: take him and you stay on him. So, you know,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: one of the easiest ways to think about it, and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: kind of this is a good question for people in general,
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: or good thing for people in general, like for me personally,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: and I know other people subscribe to this. You know,
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: cover four and quarters are two different coverages. For me,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: Cover four from a shell and a structure standpoint, they're
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: the same. But cover four to me is just a
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: spot drop coverage. And when I say spot drop again,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: that means like, hey, I'm the flat defender. So on
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 2: the snap, I go and I drop to the flat,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm in the flat and I'm looking to see
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: if anybody comes to.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 4: The flat quarters that flat defender.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Will you know, say somebody runs up, somebody runs a
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: flat route, they run a little arrow route, or they
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: go like five yards and they go out in the
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: spot drop coverage, you go, you see that guy, Okay, he's.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: In my zone.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: If he turns it into a wheel route, you're passing
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: him off and you're letting him go to the coverage
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: that's behind you. In spot drop cover four, if you're
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: in quarters and you're that flat defender, when that receiver
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: is he in the flat, he's yours. So even if
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: he turns it up the sideline and wheels up the sideline,
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: you are now staying with him and you are running
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 2: with him, man for man, stride for stride. And I
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: say that to say, I think you'll see more man
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: coverage from the Bills this year. But a lot of
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: the zone stuff they do, while they do mix in
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: some spot drop stuff, a lot of what they do
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: is also you know, quarters based or man match based,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: so they have zone coverages that are also playing out
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: like man. So you will see man coverage, whether it's
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: straight up regular man for man coverage or those match
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: zone coverages that end up.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 4: Playing out like man. If that makes sense.
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: Kim Moore, he says, Hi, it is on speed out.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: I wonder what happens with mikeah Hyde. R J says,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard much about Cook, as he moving the
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: same as last year. I think cookers look fine. He
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: was an excuse for practice on Sunday for personal reasons,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: so I didn't see him then, but I thought he
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: looked good on day one. In day two, I thought
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: we saw the burst. You saw him working in drill
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: running routes. I don't think James Cook has looked bad.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: I just think more of the conversation has been about
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: Ray Davis because of how good.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 4: Ray Davis has looked, especially as a pass catcher.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 2: I think there's a good bar that's set for James Cook,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: and I think people have expectations for him, so him
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: just kind of doing James Cook stuff isn't really notable.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: But there really was no bar for a lot of
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: people for Ray Davis, especially from a large reporting scale
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: in terms of not everybody's watching tape. So I don't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: think they had that baseline for Davis necessarily especially like
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: I feel like the common fan or the casual fan.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean that disparagionally, you're negative in any way.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: But I think Davis is dominating the running back conversation
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: because of how well he's showing out versus expectations, where
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: I think for Cook there is a high bar that's
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: set because he had a very strong year last year,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: and so if he's just doing good things, it's not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: really anything to write home about because he's already done
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: those good things.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: So it's kind of more like part for the course.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Dobbs says, I think about Simmons every day too. Think
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 4: it into existence. I think it into existence. I'm trying
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 4: to speak it into existence.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: I thought Simmons was gonna be too expensive, so I
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: did a lot of work on digs and thought he
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: would fit financially and from a mentality standpoint in terms
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: of coverage and fit the run. But them both sitting
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: there now, I just don't get it yet, Like I
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if Simmons looking for like a one year,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: fifteen million dollar deal or something crazy that teams aren't
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: just wanting to pay. I really don't understand how they're
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: both free agents. Right now, especially Simmons. Like in granted,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: teams have good safeties, and there's a lot of good
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: safeties in this league, but yeah, damn, Like, if there's
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 2: anything wrong with cole Bishops long term, I one of
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: these guys have to be brought in. But then also
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: like are they going to bring them in be backups?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: Like because I think both of them would start if
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: they were on the bills. It's wild Joe DeRosa, who
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: is that just kidding? Joe says, who were some of
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: the specific motion piece players that the practices you went
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: to and how often were they running it? Samuel a Ton,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: mac Collins, Kincaid was getting some shifts, Knox was getting
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: some shifts, Shakira.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: In some motion.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: A lot of it tied to running backs Samuel and Hollins,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: I would say the most. And again a lot of
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: it being like jet motion orbit stuff. Kali Shakira doing
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: the orbit stuff but then also doing I think he
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: did it last year it didn't work doing like like
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: he's gonna orbit and then he slams on the brakes
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: like right behind Josh Allen. Allen snaps the ball, he
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: goes back the way he came, and then Alan tries
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: to hit him with it. Stuff they would do with
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: like a hardy last year that actually worked, I think
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: for a touchdown against the Giants or Tampa one of
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: those bad Dorsey games or Denver. Maybe I don't remember
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: something like that, but yeah, I would say mainly Samuel
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: is getting a ton of it. Hollins is getting a
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: ton of it. Running backs are getting a ton of
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: shifts and a ton of motion. So mainly Samuel Hollins
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: and then whoever the running backs are, and then you're
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: getting more like shifts and stuff from other dudes. Nikis
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 2: saying his Josh was saying, in the pocket better so far.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say so.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: I think there's more quick game, more stuff coming out
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: on time and in rhythm.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: But also just because he knows he's not gonna get hit.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much stock I'm putting in it
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: right now in camp because even if somebody gets through,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: he knows he's not going to get clocked. So he
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: might just be staying in the pocket for the sake
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: of getting the rep and knowing he's not going to
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: get hit, Versus when the bullets are live, he might
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: want to evade and bail earlier on time or whatever
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: What else what?
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: Oh Titan saying, Hi does a playoff edition. In my opinion,
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: it would be interesting to see if he stays in
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 2: shape for that stuff. Johnny saying it's been a rough
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: two years for safety and linebacker on this team.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've hit some stuff. They've hit some stuff, for sure.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Nikki's saying Cover four, there's four dbs in coverage Cover
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: two there's two a.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Man and two and zone.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's more reflective of what is the other
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: kind of to a man two and zone? Cover four
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: is reflective of the shell on the top. So you've
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: got the two outside corners, so everybody's responsible for a
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: fourth of the field, but you've got four dudes up
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: top like that shell. On the back end, like Cover three,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: you've got three guys on the back end. A corner
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: has a third, another corner has a third, and then
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: you've got the post safety in the middle who has
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: a third. So you've got three on the back end.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Cover two, you've got two on the back end safety safety,
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: well could be a corner and.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: A safety but whatever.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: But you basically only have like two deep or responsible
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: for that half anytime you hear like a cover and
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: a number like cover four, cover one, cover two, cover three,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: it's reflective of that that shell and that structure on
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: the back end and the bodies that go with it.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Joe saying, oh, some bigger frame guys too, that's fun
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: x kincaid with any acceleration as blockers are off of
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: free releases. The fun concept to think about absolutely just
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: again throwing dudes in motion on the snap. We've seen
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: the Niners do it for Forever Kittle and use Check.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: The Dolphins do it with alec Engel, the Dolphins do
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 2: it with Tyreek Hill. Like just leaning into your dudes
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: who have a mismatch advantage potentially and then using them
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: to further that mismatch or stress the defense and create
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: a leverage advantage for you or a leverage disadvantage for
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: the defense. It's just a lot of a lot is
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: being rowan at defenses at the Bill's defense right now
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: by Joe Brady. I'm interested to see how much of
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: that continues going forward, because there is a lot. Like again,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: all that button pushing and lever pulling from Brady is great.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: That also means everybody has to execute like it's harder
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 2: to not be static pre snap. It's easier to come
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 2: out and be like, all right, cool, we're gonna be
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: in a two by two. You guys line up over there.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: You guys line up over there. You two are doing this,
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: you three are doing this. Ready to break like. It's
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: a lot harder to get everything timed out. You have
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: to get the play in on time. Again, just logistically,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: you have to get the play in on time. You
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: have to get the call out of the huddle on time.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: You have to get the line in time. You have
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: to signal that motion at the right time. You have
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: to time the snap with the motion id which you
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: want to id. There's more moving parts, and not that
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: they're tremendously hard, but they're harder than just being static
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: for the offense, and then even more so for the defense.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 2: Now you're forcing anytime you put anyone in motion or
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 2: you shift anyone, you are stressing communication and identification for
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: the defense. If you do it right before the snap,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: the defense has to be more instantaneous with their reactions
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: and also accurate as a unit in terms of everybody
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 2: adjusting properly and in conjunction with one another, reacting to
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: what's happening in front of them. So it just stresses
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: the defense in a variety of ways in terms of
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: their communication, their adjustment, their execution, being able to do
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: it accurately, quickly, and or efficiently, and then doing it
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: together as one unit. Because if you've got two out
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: of the three dudes, who I'm just making these numbers up,
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 2: But if you've got two out of three dudes who
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: react in the way they need to and the one
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: guy doesn't, that one guy could be enough to blow
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: the whole play up, let alone, if it's more than that.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it just adds a lot. And then if
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: you're adding motion and shifting elements to guys who could
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: present certain matchups, you're creating a potential advantageous situation for
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: that dude. So someone like Kincaid or someone like Curtis Samuel,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: these guys who, because of their skill sets, you know,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: give you the opportunity and size and frame give you
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: the opportunity to present a mismatch. It's definitely fun and Nigga,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: I think I think Knox falls into that category as well.
• 1:57:07
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  Speaker 2: for the preseason like there has been for the last
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  Speaker 2: two three years if I remember correctly, so that's a
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  Speaker 2: scheduling note as well. I probably will also be doing
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  Speaker 2: episodes on Tuesdays as well, so you'll kind of get
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  Speaker 2: two episodes a week. That's my plan is now. We'll
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  Speaker 2: stay fluid and kind of see what happens. Enjoy the
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  Speaker 2: rest of your Tuesday night, if you're on the East Coast,
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  Speaker 2: all fifty six minutes that's left of it. I appreciate
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  Speaker 2: you folks. Help you and your family and friends and
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  Speaker 2: loved ones are all doing well and staying safe. Be
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  Speaker 2: kind to one another, take care of one another. I
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  Speaker 2: will see you next week. Godspeed, and as always go Bills.