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186. Nellie Bly · Who Did What Now With Katie Charlwood

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Speaker 1: Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to Who Did Woer? The
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Speaker 1: history podcast that is Not Your history class with me
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Speaker 1: your host Katie Charlewood, history harlot and reader of books.
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Speaker 1: So I've fainted in work today, I know, I know,
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Speaker 1: I just threw that in there. Just started off strong
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Speaker 1: with fainting at my place of employment, which was a
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Speaker 1: wee bit embarrassing and like a tiny bit concerning because like,
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Speaker 1: for why for why did I faint? That was very unpleasant.
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Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate that at all, zero out of five styles,
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Speaker 1: Like I'm like, why am I deficient in something? Like
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Speaker 1: what is going on? Because I know I'm getting enough
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Speaker 1: iron between you know, the meat I heat and the cereals,
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Speaker 1: so there should be that that and the supplements, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I take my vitamins, so one would assume
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Speaker 1: that they do, you know, get absorbed and then I
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Speaker 1: hope they get absorbed very expensive, so like I should
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Speaker 1: be fine, So that leaves some kind of illness and
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Speaker 1: I thought, oh, maybe that's you know, connected to the
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Speaker 1: excruciating pen that I've been in the last couple of days.
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Speaker 1: And I went to quite a lot of back pain,
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Speaker 1: more than usual, more more, which is again concelling, and
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Speaker 1: I thought maybe they're connected. And then I was telling
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Speaker 1: a coworker about my weekend and I was saying, oh,
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Speaker 1: I was in the pool with the kids, and then
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Speaker 1: the swimming lesson started, so they cordoned off part of
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Speaker 1: the pool and so it's quite deep. So my door
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Speaker 1: was on my back, and like I was giving her
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Speaker 1: piggybacks in the water, and she was like, hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: maybe you were giving piggybacks in the water. Maybe that's
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Speaker 1: what hurt your back.
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Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, yeah, perhaps that could be what
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Speaker 2: that is.
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Speaker 1: Perhaps that could be the issue. Yeah, doesn't explain the fainting,
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Speaker 1: but you know that is, that is something. But I
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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. You're thinking, Kerrie, quite your gibble
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Speaker 1: jabble in fact me, in fact you I Well, but
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Speaker 1: first we've got to get our source on. Our sources
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Speaker 1: are Ten Days in a Madhouse by Nellie Bly, Eighty
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Speaker 1: Days Nellie Bly and Elizabeth Bislin's History Making Race Around
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Speaker 1: the World by Matthew Goodman, Nellie Bly by Athel Fritz,
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Speaker 1: Sensational The Head History of America's Girls Stunt Reporters by
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Speaker 1: Kim Todd, Nellie Bly, Girl Reporter, Dear Devil Journalist by
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Speaker 1: Jane Garrison. And of course we have our old favorites
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Speaker 1: biography dot com and History dot com. Also in comfortably
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Speaker 1: good Let's begin. Nellie Bly was born Elizabeth Jane Cochrane
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Speaker 1: on the fifth of May eighteen sixty four in the
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Speaker 1: Burrow Township, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh that is
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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, United States of America. For those of you
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Speaker 1: who do not know, so this area which is now
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Speaker 1: like Burrough Township, it used to be known as Cochrane Mills. Now,
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Speaker 1: if you may notice that her original born in was
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Jane Cochrane, that is not a coincidence because Cochrane
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Speaker 1: Mills is named after her father, Michael Cochrane, who started
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Speaker 1: off as a mill worker who worked his way up
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Speaker 1: and eventually ended up buying a local mill and the
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Speaker 1: surrounding lands, so the lands around the mill and his
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Speaker 1: family farmhouse. Now, he is very important. Might even go
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Speaker 1: as for her as to call him a high value male.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, Michael Cochrane, he is, he's kind of a
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Speaker 1: big deal, you know what I mean. And he also,
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Speaker 1: you know, clearly was.
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Speaker 2: A very very well fellow, right because the man clearly
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Speaker 2: was getting some because he had buckets and buckets of kids.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so Michael was married twice. With his first wife,
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Speaker 1: Katherine Murphy, he had ten children. Ten all right, Now
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think any more
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Speaker 1: than three is quite a lot of children to deal with.
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Speaker 1: So Katherine Murphy gives birth ten whole times. Now, eventually,
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Speaker 1: after she has ten children, she dies. Now Michael is
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Speaker 1: a man with ten children. This very important man is
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Speaker 1: quite busy and has ten children. So he is the
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Speaker 1: local postmaster as well. Like he's kind of got his
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Speaker 1: fingers and many pies and more than one woman, apparently,
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Speaker 1: because the postmaster needs a wife, and so he marries
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Speaker 1: Mary Jane Kennedy, with whom he had five more children.
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Speaker 1: Now this is clearly I'm gonna say it an Irish
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Speaker 1: town because the name Cochrane. First of all. Then we
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Speaker 1: have a Murphy. Now we've got Kennedy. Oh, come on,
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Speaker 1: this is now settler town. So Nellie here, young Elizabeth
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Speaker 1: as she was then known, is from the second marriage,
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Speaker 1: and she is his thirteenth daughter. He has fifteen children.
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Speaker 1: Michael here seem to be producing a lot of girls. Right,
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Speaker 1: so he's got thirteen dollars and two boys. Now here's
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Speaker 1: where the issue is. Because Michael, what happens is he
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Speaker 1: dies when Elizabeth is only six years old, which is
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Speaker 1: obviously sad okay, but also in addition, furthermore, it is
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Speaker 1: a bit of a problem because when he kicks the bucket,
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Speaker 1: he does so without leaving a will. Now I don't
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Speaker 1: know who needs to hear this sidebar, but if you
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Speaker 1: don't have a will, and you have the means in
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Speaker 1: which to have a will, get a fucking will drawn up, right,
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Speaker 1: because you need legal documents because otherwise it can lead
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Speaker 1: to just hassle after you die. Now you're dead, then
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Speaker 1: it will matter to you. So you can just do
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Speaker 1: whatever you want with your will and have it sealed
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Speaker 1: until your death, and then you can do whatever you want.
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Speaker 1: People just have to deal with the consequences of that
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Speaker 1: as long as you're of like sound mind and stuff,
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Speaker 1: which means you need to do it like sooner rather
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Speaker 1: than letter. So, yeah, you need to sort out your
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Speaker 1: will lads, because I know people who don't have wills
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Speaker 1: because they think it's tempting fate, which is stupid. Two
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Speaker 1: reasons I'm gonna go into it. It wasn't but I
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Speaker 1: am you cannot tempt fate, okay, because even if fate
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Speaker 1: were real, right, then you believe that everything is preordained
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Speaker 1: and destined and is going to happen. To matter what,
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Speaker 1: things will happen for a reason they are going to happen,
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Speaker 1: which means fate is locked in. You cannot tempt it. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Just get a well done ourseholes right, because people fight
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Speaker 1: over money, people kill over money and land, and honestly,
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Speaker 1: oh it's such a hassle, So get your will done up.
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Speaker 1: So Mary Jane Kennedy, she is the second wife, right,
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Speaker 1: so she and unlike you know, his sons, she has
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Speaker 1: no legal claim to his estate. And so Nelly starts
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Speaker 1: life in a very privileged place. But after the death
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Speaker 1: of her father, it's not exactly the easiest of situations,
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Speaker 1: Like they can't even afford to keep their home or
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Speaker 1: maintain the lands, right, so they move away. Now Mary
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Speaker 1: Jane Mary Jane Kennedy slash Cochrane remarries. But the guy
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Speaker 1: she marries is a dick. And before you said to me, Kerry,
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Speaker 1: you think every man is a dick. First of all, no,
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Speaker 1: I do not. Some of my best friends are men.
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Speaker 1: Second of all, you know, he was a dick. He
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Speaker 1: was abusive to the point that she divorces him. Do
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Speaker 1: you know how difficult it was to obtain a divorce
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Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundreds, Like, it's not an easy task
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Speaker 1: to do, and they really need to be like a
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Speaker 1: pure solid, like one hundred percent justification that this guy
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Speaker 1: is an absolute dick in a legal sense, that you
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Speaker 1: have to be separated from him, and so they split.
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Speaker 1: When Nelly is like fourteen fifteen, she enrolls in the
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Speaker 1: Indiana Normal School, which is now the Indiana University of Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1: So if you don't know, the Indiana Normal School was
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Speaker 1: an institution created to train teachers, right, so it was
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Speaker 1: a trained teachers to work in the Commonwealth schools. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So Nelly's plan here was to become a teacher, like
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Speaker 1: that was her goal. Now she only lasts one term
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Speaker 1: because the family simply cannot afford it, right, They just
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Speaker 1: can't afford for her to go to like this higher
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Speaker 1: level of education. Now, Nellie, so as she's grown up, right,
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Speaker 1: she has this nickname like Pinky. The reason she's called
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Speaker 1: pinky wait for it, wait for it, she wears a
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Speaker 1: lot of pink, right, so like her Lord and Savior,
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Speaker 1: Miss Piggy, she likes pink, and so she gets called
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Speaker 1: this growing up, and she doesn't want this childish nickname anymore.
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Speaker 1: And so when she actually attends the Indiana Teacher's College,
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Speaker 1: right she stops being called Pinky and adds an e
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Speaker 1: on to the end of cochrane to sound more sophisticated.
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Speaker 1: By adding an e sidebar, I know I'm doing it again.
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Speaker 1: So the thing about nicknames is is I've been called
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Speaker 1: Katie most of my life. It's not my legal name,
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Speaker 1: it's just what everybody called me. Now here's a fun thing.
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Speaker 1: Is At one point, I think I was in college
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Speaker 1: and I had an auntie who was like, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: call you Kate from now on because I think Kerrie
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Speaker 1: is such a you know, childish name. And I was like, no,
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Speaker 1: I like it. It was like everyone's called me it.
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Speaker 1: I like it as a name. Now I will basically
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Speaker 1: answer to most variations of it, like you'd be surprised
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Speaker 1: what I would respond to, by the way. For you,
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Speaker 1: they were like, it's really childish. I want to change it,
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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, no, thank you. So the year
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Speaker 1: after Nelly dropped out the family upsticks and moves to
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Speaker 1: Alleghany City, which is now part of Pittsburgh. So Mary
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Speaker 1: Jane and Nelly they run a boarding house because it
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Speaker 1: is one of the few career options available for women
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Speaker 1: in this era, which leads me to a newspaper, the
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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Dispatch, which has a column called what Girls Are
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Speaker 1: Good For. It basically reads like a tradwife mission statement
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Speaker 1: women slash girls are only good for keeping house and
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Speaker 1: burthing them babies. Nelly, as one can imagine, is less
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Speaker 1: than impressed by this column, and so she writes a
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Speaker 1: response under a pseudonym, of course, the pseudonym lonely orphan Girl. Nelly,
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Speaker 1: you speak a little bitch. What are you doing like
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Speaker 1: lonely orphan girl? I would like to remind everyone that
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Speaker 1: the initials to that are log There was a choice.
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Speaker 1: There was a choice that was made. So Nelly as
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Speaker 1: Lonely orphan Girl absolutely destroys the collumn and the editor,
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Speaker 1: George Madden, is so impressed by this that he wants
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Speaker 1: the author to come forward like he publishes an ad
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Speaker 1: in his paper offering the writer a job. You know what, No,
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Speaker 1: I'm turning two pages at once with that one basically
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Speaker 1: he puts out this ad and he's like, who are you?
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Speaker 1: Who is she who's writing this? Identify yourself, and so
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Speaker 1: she does. And when she does introduce herself to him,
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Speaker 1: he's just like, would you like to write a piece
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Speaker 1: from my newspaper? Of course, under your pseudonym Lonely Orphan Girl.
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Speaker 1: Nellie takes him up on his offer because clearly she's
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Speaker 1: got the smarts, but also because this is a paid
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Speaker 1: opportunity and you have bills to pay. You know, they're
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Speaker 1: running a boarding house. They don't have a lot of
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Speaker 1: other opportunities because it's the eighteen seventies or eighteen eighties
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Speaker 1: at this point. She needs she needs the money, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so for the dispatch, she
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Speaker 1: writes under the pseudonym log Lonely Orphan Girl and writes
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Speaker 1: the Girl Puzzle. And in this she argues that not
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Speaker 1: all women should marry or would marry, and that women
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Speaker 1: don't need married opportunities necessarily. What they do need are
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Speaker 1: better jobs. There needs to be more employment opportunities for
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Speaker 1: women because there basically aren't any. After this, like, she
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Speaker 1: changes her pseudonym from like Lonely Orphan Girl to Nelly
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Speaker 1: Bly and the reason she chooses Nelly Blyy is probably
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Speaker 1: because Nelly is one of those names that's short for Elizabeth,
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Speaker 1: like Ellie and Nelly and Betty and Lizbeth and Lily
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Speaker 1: bit and Beth and probably more than I didn't have there.
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Speaker 1: So she changed it to that not only because that,
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Speaker 1: but there is a song a right, there's a song
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Speaker 1: by Stephen Foster and the Well, the main character in
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Speaker 1: that song is called Nelly Bly and so she's like,
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Speaker 1: let's use this. It's you know, it's common, it's contemporary.
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Speaker 1: It's like pretty good, okay, now Nelly and Nelly Bly.
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Speaker 1: The song is spelt with a y, but Nelly her
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Speaker 1: name is spelt with an ie because the editor made
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Speaker 1: a mistake and they're like, that's fine, it'll do. And
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Speaker 1: I think it's also by giving her like a full
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Speaker 1: name synonym, it's sort of moving up because lonely, orphan girl.
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Speaker 1: Apart from the fact that it's very vague, it's also
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Speaker 1: could be misconstrued as sort of young and childish, whereas
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Speaker 1: having a name name kind of gives a little bit
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Speaker 1: more authority behind it. So her second article was about
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Speaker 1: how divorce affects women. Right. It was called mad marriages.
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Speaker 1: She argued about how women were disadvantaged upon divorce because
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Speaker 1: men could just turn the women out, keep her downright
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Speaker 1: if they had one, and they had custody for the
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Speaker 1: kids or like all the kids. And so she's like
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Speaker 1: fighting for divorce reform here, like, that's not something you did.
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Speaker 1: And Nelly, she is she's writing for the Dispatch and
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Speaker 1: she is earning five dollars a week, which in today's
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Speaker 1: money is one hundred and sixty four dollars and eighty
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Speaker 1: four cents. So she's writing for them full time by
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Speaker 1: the time she's twenty one, and a lot of her
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Speaker 1: work focused on working class women. And this is when
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Speaker 1: she starts investigating. Nellie starts doing these investigative articles. She
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Speaker 1: goes undercover as an impoverished lady to get a job
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Speaker 1: as a factory girl at a copper cable factory. So
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Speaker 1: she goes in to get the job, and she writes
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Speaker 1: an expose on the absolutely terrible working conditions that women
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Speaker 1: and children faced. And this is not the kind of
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Speaker 1: stuff that men would read about because it didn't affect them.
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Speaker 1: It sort of reminds me of Kate Warne, the Pinkerton detective,
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Speaker 1: and she was the first detective in her female detective
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Speaker 1: in the USA, and so she would get into places
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Speaker 1: that other people couldn't because she was a woman. She
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Speaker 1: could investigate what others couldn't because she was a woman.
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Speaker 1: And Nellie is doing that as well. So she's doing
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Speaker 1: these expose she's writing these pieces and factory workers loved
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Speaker 1: her pieces, but you know who didn't. Factory owners. The
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Speaker 1: big bosses sent complaints to the newspaper, so that Nelly
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Speaker 1: gets reassigned because they were very unhappy that she was
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Speaker 1: exposing the terrible working conditions for women and children. So
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Speaker 1: she gets moved elsewhere. She gets moved to like I
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Speaker 1: don't want to call it, like the ladies pages. So
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Speaker 1: she's writing about flower ranging and fashion, etc. Lady topics
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Speaker 1: for ladies, the society papers, who is who, Who's in?
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Speaker 1: Who was out? Oh, like lady whistled down, except not
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Speaker 1: that arsed about it, to be honest, because she right
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Speaker 1: cannot stand it. And so she ends up moving to Mexico. Right,
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Speaker 1: She's just like, I'm done. I can't be dealing with this.
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Speaker 1: She moves to Mexico for six months to write a
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Speaker 1: report that will become a book called Six Months in Mexico.
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Speaker 1: So she's sending these dispatches to the Dispatch, and they
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Speaker 1: are all about Mexican people, their lives and customs, and
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Speaker 1: also reporting stuff like the imprisonment of a local journalist
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Speaker 1: who was put in the clink for criticizing the Mexican government,
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Speaker 1: which was a dictatorship at the time. So these dispatches
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Speaker 1: are being sent back to Pittsburgh, and when the Mexican
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Speaker 1: government discovers these reports, well they threaten to arrest Nelly,
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Speaker 1: and so she has to straight up flee back into
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Speaker 1: the US. Right in eighteen eighty seven, she moves back
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Speaker 1: to the United States of America. But she's feeling disheartened
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Speaker 1: at this point, right because the work she's doing at
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Speaker 1: the Dispatch, you know, it's not what she wants to do. Like,
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Speaker 1: I mean, she went to Mexico and was like, oh,
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Speaker 1: great culture. Oh they have this delicious timUL and oh
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Speaker 1: the government is corrupt and is locking up journalists and
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Speaker 1: have you heard them play the band? All it's amazing.
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Speaker 1: But she's doing like real journalism, the stuff that they
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Speaker 1: thought ladies were just too soft for. But she is
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Speaker 1: again really disheartened by the work at the Pittsburgh Dispatch
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Speaker 1: because she doesn't want to do you know, the society papers,
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Speaker 1: and so she decides that she's going to move to
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Speaker 1: the Big Apple, No York City. So she moves to
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Speaker 1: New York, but she struggles to get a job because
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Speaker 1: journalism at this point is a boys club, i mean,
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Speaker 1: male dominated fueld. So, with no money and no prospects
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Speaker 1: and no more fox left to give, Nelly manages to
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Speaker 1: talk her way into the offices of Joseph Pulitzer's paper,
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Speaker 1: The New York World. So she manages to get in
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Speaker 1: because she's just got I'm gonna say tenacity and they're like, okay, fine,
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Speaker 1: we've heard whispers that something is afoot tells a brutality
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Speaker 1: and neglect at the Women's Lunatic Asylum on Blackwell's Island,
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Speaker 1: which just so you know now is Roosevelt Island. So
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Speaker 1: she is assigned an undercover assignment and she spends a
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Speaker 1: surprisingly short while trying to get herself admitted to the
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Speaker 1: women's Lunatic Asylum. Right, So, how she does this is
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Speaker 1: she checks herself into this lodging house, a temporary home
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Speaker 1: for females. She stays up all night to make herself
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Speaker 1: look tired I guess like it actually comes up quite
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Speaker 1: a lot, Like when they're writing about her, they go
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Speaker 1: her eyes were so wide, her widened eyes. Oh dear
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Speaker 1: the wide eyes. It's like, okay, Jan okay, Like it
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Speaker 1: wasn't exactly difficult to get committed to an asylum if
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Speaker 1: you're all women. I do actually have like a big
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Speaker 1: long list of the ways in which you can be
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Speaker 1: admitted to an asylum. I'm gonna share with you my favorites,
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Speaker 1: because some of these are beyond ridiculous the reasons women
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Speaker 1: were institutionalized. I'm gonna give you my top five actually laziness,
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Speaker 1: snuff novel, reading, Marriage of Sun, politics. Like, one of
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Speaker 1: my favorite things to do is at a live show
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Speaker 1: is I will just go through There's like thirty forty
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Speaker 1: things on this list, and I go through all of
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Speaker 1: them just to see how the audience reacts to it.
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Speaker 1: Because it's really fun when you play a game and
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Speaker 1: everyone puts up their hand for which one that they
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Speaker 1: would be sent to the asylum for, and it's okay.
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Speaker 1: Everyone can play, even the men, and it's a good
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Speaker 1: fun for everybody to play together. So Nellie is trying
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Speaker 1: to get committed to this institution, she's staying up all night.
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Speaker 1: She's accusing other borders of doing weird stuff. She's loud
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Speaker 1: and annoying, like she scares the other lodgers so much
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Speaker 1: that they call the cops. They take her to the courthouse, right,
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Speaker 1: so you've got a police officer, a judge, and a
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Speaker 1: doctor all examine her. The first place she's sent is
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Speaker 1: Bellevue Hospital, which is I'm fairly certain the oldest public
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Speaker 1: hospital in the whole country, like in the whole United States,
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Speaker 1: Like it's the oldest one, and like this place was
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Speaker 1: constructed in like the early eighteen hundreds because of yellow
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Speaker 1: fever outbreaks, and they were like, we need somewhere to
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Speaker 1: do this. So it started off there and eventually became
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Speaker 1: like the hospital it is today. So she is in
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Speaker 1: Bellevue Hospital before being sent to the Women's Lunatic Asylum
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Speaker 1: on Blackwells Island. So after ten days, the New York
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Speaker 1: World had Nelly released from the asylum, like they had
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Speaker 1: to go and request it. They were like, no, no,
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Speaker 1: we actually need to take her. She's one of ours. Please,
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Speaker 1: thank you so much. And so after she comes out,
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Speaker 1: they publish ten days in a mad house before actually
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Speaker 1: going in Before she even got to bellevue, like the
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Speaker 1: police officer or the doctor, the judge, they're all like,
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Speaker 1: she's positively demented. And when she gets there, doctors called
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Speaker 1: her undoubtedly insane, and one said that she had a wild,
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Speaker 1: haunted look in her eyes. So when questioned like she
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Speaker 1: initially acted like she had amnesia, she was like, what,
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Speaker 1: ho am I the drama? I don't think I'm the drama. Now.
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Speaker 1: Once she actually lands on Blackwell Island, she just stops.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to use this phrase because it's a
25:40
Speaker 1: direct quote acting crazy, and so nurses and other staff
25:46
Speaker 1: members just put it down to other symptoms of her illness.
25:51
Speaker 1: She tried to talk rationally and calmly to be released,
25:54
Speaker 1: but they were having none of it. And she's conversing
25:57
Speaker 1: with fellow patients and it's clear that many of them
26:00
Speaker 1: did not belong there. Right, So this staff, this is
26:06
Speaker 1: going to shock you. I know, we're both verbally and
26:09
Speaker 1: physically abusive. Right. She notices that especially immigrants with poor English,
26:17
Speaker 1: those are the ones that are mistreated the most, and
26:21
Speaker 1: she like tries several times to be like, Okay, I'm
26:25
Speaker 1: done now, I want to leave, like and like the
26:29
Speaker 1: patients they weren't supposed to talk to each other, and
26:33
Speaker 1: they were just I'm gonna just go with horribly abused.
26:39
Speaker 1: Patients were fed meat that was off, bread that was stale,
26:43
Speaker 1: and a gruel broth. And the water, the water they consumed, well,
26:51
Speaker 1: how to put this gently, that's how you get dysentery. Okay,
26:56
Speaker 1: it's history. All roads lead to dysentery. So dangerous patients
27:03
Speaker 1: were bound together with ropes. Others were left in those
27:08
Speaker 1: like very fine, very poor gowns on hard floors and benches.
27:15
Speaker 1: It was, to put plainly unsanitary. There was waste everywhere,
27:22
Speaker 1: and of course there were rats and bugs. Now, if
27:27
Speaker 1: you've l seen the beginning of Bramstock calls Dracula, like,
27:31
Speaker 1: there was a scene in an asylum and there was
27:34
Speaker 1: a guy like in like a stone building eating bugs.
27:39
Speaker 1: Now that is the image I specifically have in my
27:41
Speaker 1: brain regarding this. So the baths, well, when it came
27:47
Speaker 1: to bathing, they would just chuck buckets of freezing cold,
27:51
Speaker 1: dirty water over the heads of the patients and scrubbed
27:55
Speaker 1: them roughly so in the back it was basically a
28:03
Speaker 1: human soup. They shelled towels like there was no like
28:10
Speaker 1: germ theory had been about at this point. This wasn't
28:14
Speaker 1: like it was new. But also, sharing dirty towels is
28:18
Speaker 1: something that I feel like you would know about, Like
28:21
Speaker 1: that's very basic because you can see duct on the towels,
28:26
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So because they're sharing towels,
28:29
Speaker 1: and obviously there were skin conditions in this environment that
28:35
Speaker 1: it leads to other issues like scabies, right, people got scabies, Like,
28:43
Speaker 1: of course things are rife. You're getting lice, you're getting scabies,
28:47
Speaker 1: You're getting all of these horrible just I don't want
28:54
Speaker 1: to say infection. I feel like infection is the wrong
28:56
Speaker 1: word for scabies because it's just little bugs that bread.
29:03
Speaker 1: So she's like very aware that, you know, the people
29:06
Speaker 1: who really need help are being incredibly mistreated, and there
29:09
Speaker 1: are a lot of people there in the asylum who
29:13
Speaker 1: should not be there and who are being treated worse
29:16
Speaker 1: because you know, they're not falling into the cultural standards
29:21
Speaker 1: of contemporary society, right, And so she is very calmly,
29:28
Speaker 1: very rationally, she's like trying to leave. She's trying to
29:30
Speaker 1: be like, hey, this was next pose. I'm cool, I'm
29:33
Speaker 1: done now, thanks, can I go? And the nurses are
29:36
Speaker 1: just like, no, this is just you know, a point
29:39
Speaker 1: in the madness. The lucidity is just one of the symptoms.
29:42
Speaker 1: And she's like, what, no, Please let me out. And
29:46
Speaker 1: so there are many requests to get her out, and
29:50
Speaker 1: they're refusing up until the point that they get a
29:55
Speaker 1: lawyer involved. So an attorney for the New York World
30:00
Speaker 1: Old newspaper has to come in and go, I'm going
30:02
Speaker 1: to sue you if you do not let her out,
30:04
Speaker 1: and they go, okay, we can't afford that, and so yes,
30:10
Speaker 1: out she goes, and Nellie says this, I left the
30:16
Speaker 1: insane ward with pleasure and regret. Pleasure I was once
30:20
Speaker 1: more able to enjoy the free birth of Heaven. Regret
30:24
Speaker 1: that I could not have brought with me some of
30:26
Speaker 1: the unfortunate women who lived and suffered with me, and
30:30
Speaker 1: who I am convinced are just as saen as I
30:33
Speaker 1: was and am now myself. So this Ten Days in
30:38
Speaker 1: a Madhouse is a six part series of articles, and
30:43
Speaker 1: it later becomes a book because it is so successful. Like,
30:49
Speaker 1: people weren't really doing a lot of investigative journalism back
30:53
Speaker 1: in the eighteen eighties, and this series highlighted the terrible
30:59
Speaker 1: conditions the asylum, which spurs this nationwide investigation, leading to
31:06
Speaker 1: changes in New York City's Department of Public Charities and Corrections. Now,
31:13
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it out loud, that is a
31:15
Speaker 1: weird mix. That is a weird mix. So changes include basics, money,
31:24
Speaker 1: a larger appropriation of funds for the care of mentally
31:27
Speaker 1: ill patients, better supervision of healthcare workers, and regulations regarding overcrowding.
31:35
Speaker 1: Nellie Bly is twenty three years old at this point,
31:40
Speaker 1: she's twenty three, and she has had this massive impact
31:44
Speaker 1: on American culture and is showing highlighting the experience of
31:50
Speaker 1: marginalized women like beyond this, and it just goes further.
31:58
Speaker 1: Now PEPs doing this. She's reporting on jails, sweatshops, factories
32:06
Speaker 1: and the like, calling for reform and exposes bribery in
32:09
Speaker 1: the lobbyist system. Now, and this is the start of
32:15
Speaker 1: what they call stunt girl journalism, which feels like they're
32:22
Speaker 1: trying to discredit it a little bit, but this is
32:28
Speaker 1: very much sort of undercover and immersive journalistic work. Nellie
32:44
Speaker 1: Blind is part of this whole wave of journalism, stunt
32:50
Speaker 1: girl journalism. Then in eighteen eighty eight, she decides to
32:56
Speaker 1: do something So there's this book I have heard of
33:00
Speaker 1: it called Around the World in Eighty Days. It's written
33:03
Speaker 1: by Jules Veln, who wrote other classics such as Twenty
33:08
Speaker 1: Thousand Leagues Under the Sea. So he writes this book
33:13
Speaker 1: and it's about Phineas Fogg and how he travels around
33:16
Speaker 1: the world in eighty days with his assistant or his valet,
33:20
Speaker 1: Basseball doo, right, And so there's this whole thing about
33:26
Speaker 1: it being sort of detective and stunt girl journalism. It's
33:29
Speaker 1: like new journalism in like the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties,
33:33
Speaker 1: and it's really where Joseph Pulitzer like really gets it
33:37
Speaker 1: out of the bag. And so when this book comes out,
33:42
Speaker 1: like people go, oh, she goes, I want to do that,
33:46
Speaker 1: And that's not what happens here. It wasn't like she
33:51
Speaker 1: read the book and was like, I can do that. No.
33:54
Speaker 1: What happened is the newspaper looked at it and went, oh, actually,
34:00
Speaker 1: it's getting Nelly to do it, because I mean, we
34:02
Speaker 1: could get a guard to do it. But she's like
34:04
Speaker 1: really famous and it's very good promotion for us, and
34:07
Speaker 1: she's a woman. What if she dies on the journey,
34:09
Speaker 1: it's fine. And so They're like, hey, you want to
34:13
Speaker 1: go around the world in eighty days, and she goes,
34:16
Speaker 1: I can do that, and so on the fourteenth of
34:21
Speaker 1: November eighteen eighty nine, right, so it's a year after. Right,
34:25
Speaker 1: So it's a year after They suggest she does it,
34:28
Speaker 1: and she's like sure, because you know, it's logistics. They
34:31
Speaker 1: gotta get stuff figured out. So she says she's going
34:34
Speaker 1: to do it, and so she does. She gets ready
34:38
Speaker 1: to go around the world in eighty days. She starts
34:42
Speaker 1: her journey and Hoboken, New Jersey, she boards the Hamburg
34:49
Speaker 1: America Line steamer, the Augusta Victoria, which I don't know
34:56
Speaker 1: if you know this is actually the birth name of
35:00
Speaker 1: Queen Victoria, Augusta Victoria. So she brings with her a dress,
35:07
Speaker 1: a sturdy overcoat, several changes of underwear, a small travel
35:12
Speaker 1: bag of toiletry essentials, and a bag tied around her
35:16
Speaker 1: neck containing dollars, pounds and gold, so dollars American dollars,
35:24
Speaker 1: she's got pounds sterling, and she also has gold because
35:28
Speaker 1: these are things you can use. So, because Nellie is
35:32
Speaker 1: doing this, the Cosmopolitan decides to send their own reporter,
35:38
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Bisland, as well. However, Elizabeth is traveling in the
35:43
Speaker 1: opposite direction to Nelly, and so it becomes the Phineas
35:48
Speaker 1: Fog Challenge between the stunt girl reporters. Now, Nellie had
35:54
Speaker 1: no idea that the Phineas Fog Challenge was happening until
35:58
Speaker 1: well into her journey. The New York World organizes a
36:03
Speaker 1: guessing game where readers would guess when she would arrive
36:09
Speaker 1: in New Jersey, like down to the second. And it
36:12
Speaker 1: was like the Grand Tour prize. So the Grand Tour,
36:17
Speaker 1: by the way, it was very much I'm gonna Typically
36:21
Speaker 1: it was typically European. Right, So what people of a
36:24
Speaker 1: certain class would do is before, sometimes before they got married,
36:30
Speaker 1: sometimes after they would either be a companion or they
36:32
Speaker 1: would just travel with family. They would go on a
36:35
Speaker 1: grand tour. So they would travel around all of Europe,
36:39
Speaker 1: and they would go to the events and go wine
36:42
Speaker 1: and dine and all that jazz. So the winner of
36:45
Speaker 1: this Nelly Bly guessing match, right, they would win the
36:51
Speaker 1: Grand prize. Right, this Grand Tour prize, which was a
36:57
Speaker 1: trip to Europe, which was like at first it was
37:00
Speaker 1: a trip to Europe, and then as the popularity grew,
37:04
Speaker 1: it also added spending money for the trip and so Nelly,
37:10
Speaker 1: she is going. Right, she goes through England France like
37:18
Speaker 1: where she actually meets Jules Verne. Right, she meets Jules Wellne.
37:24
Speaker 1: She travels through brindc in southern Italy, she gets through
37:28
Speaker 1: the Saua's Canal, she passes through Colombo in Sri Lanka,
37:33
Speaker 1: and she's traveling through like British colonies effectively. So she
37:38
Speaker 1: goes through the Straits Settlements. Now this is like a
37:42
Speaker 1: crown colony at this point. Initially it was you know,
37:47
Speaker 1: colonized by the British East India Company, who we will
37:51
Speaker 1: be discussing at a later date. Again, I know you're shocked,
37:56
Speaker 1: Why are you so? Yeah, it starts all is like
38:00
Speaker 1: the British India Company, and then it comes under the
38:04
Speaker 1: British Raj and then it becomes like a crown colony.
38:07
Speaker 1: And so this is all sort of I want to say,
38:11
Speaker 1: like it's a South Southeast it's Southeast Asia. So she
38:16
Speaker 1: is going through Malaysia, so part of like the Malay Peninsula.
38:24
Speaker 1: And then she goes through Singapore, Hong Kong and Japan,
38:29
Speaker 1: and she is like basically taking every mode of transport
38:33
Speaker 1: she can. She travels by boat, train, horse car, rickshaw,
38:40
Speaker 1: basically any mode of transport she can get her dairy
38:43
Speaker 1: air on, she's using it. And as she's traveling, she
38:48
Speaker 1: is sending reports back to the New York World, and
38:53
Speaker 1: like she is like stopping all over right, So like
38:59
Speaker 1: she is not going through this at a pace you
39:03
Speaker 1: know that one would expect if you're racing around the world.
39:06
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you've got typical logistical issues railways,
39:12
Speaker 1: bad weather, and a bunch of other travel issues. Like
39:16
Speaker 1: at one point, she just stops off in a leper
39:18
Speaker 1: colony in Singapore and buys a monkey, as one does.
39:26
Speaker 1: So she is traveling around the world. She's circumventing it
39:31
Speaker 1: is she circumventing? Ith is she? Anyway she travels around
39:36
Speaker 1: the world. She starts off in Hoboken, New Jersey. She
39:39
Speaker 1: goes through Europe and Asia and then continues like onto
39:46
Speaker 1: the American continent. She gets back to the US on
39:52
Speaker 1: January twenty first, via the White star liner the RMS Oceanic.
39:59
Speaker 1: She's travel across the Pacific and the seas are pretty rough,
40:04
Speaker 1: Like it's not a good time and she's actually behind schedule,
40:10
Speaker 1: so she gets on a train to complete the journey
40:12
Speaker 1: to New Jersey. Now this isn't any train like this
40:18
Speaker 1: is usten. I don't want to call it cheating because
40:22
Speaker 1: technically it's not cheating. So the New York World made
40:29
Speaker 1: sure that this train was running, and it made sure
40:32
Speaker 1: that she was on it so that it could get across.
40:34
Speaker 1: Now she's she gets on this train to get her
40:40
Speaker 1: all the way to New Jersey. And on the twenty
40:43
Speaker 1: fifth of January eighteen ninety at three point fifty one pm,
40:47
Speaker 1: Nellie Blin made it around the world in seventy two days,
40:52
Speaker 1: six hours, eleven minutes and fourteen seconds. She sets a
40:59
Speaker 1: world records. Right, so now she is well famous, and
41:06
Speaker 1: she says fuck this for Game of Soldiers, quits reporting
41:10
Speaker 1: and starts writing books instead, And so she writes novels.
41:16
Speaker 1: And so she's writing between like eighteen eighty nine and
41:19
Speaker 1: eighteen ninety five, So for like six years she writes
41:23
Speaker 1: eleven novels. And you'd think she was happy continuing to
41:28
Speaker 1: write novels. However, in eighteen ninety three she returned to
41:34
Speaker 1: journalism right back working for the world, and you're thinking
41:40
Speaker 1: what could lure her back? Like she's having a great life,
41:44
Speaker 1: things are going well for her. Why is she lured
41:47
Speaker 1: back to journalism. Oh see, here's the thing. The catskills killer,
41:52
Speaker 1: the serial killer. Lizzie Halliday wants to be interviewed by
42:00
Speaker 1: Nellie Bly exclusively, right, she wants her specifically to interview her.
42:08
Speaker 1: She's like, I only want Nellie Bly, and so Nelly
42:10
Speaker 1: Bly is like, I guess, and this becomes a two
42:15
Speaker 1: part piece. Like Halliday was considered the most dangerous woman
42:20
Speaker 1: in all of New York at the time, Like she
42:25
Speaker 1: gets interviewed by Nellie Bly and a year later, like
42:31
Speaker 1: she's sentenced to the electric chair. Now fun fact didn't die,
42:37
Speaker 1: whole thing, whole episode on it. She go listen to it.
42:40
Speaker 1: It's great fun, she says, talking about a serial killer.
42:45
Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety five, when she stops writing novels and
42:48
Speaker 1: doing journalism, Nellie marries a millionaire. Why not, right, She
42:55
Speaker 1: marries Robert Seaman, a manufacturer and industrials. He owned the
43:01
Speaker 1: Ironclad Manufacturing Company. So they make like milk cans and whatnot,
43:08
Speaker 1: like just iron, right, steel containers is iron It's made
43:13
Speaker 1: steel containers. You've got boilers, you've got milk cans, steel
43:17
Speaker 1: barrel drum like all that jazz. So they get married
43:26
Speaker 1: she was thirty one, he was seventy three. So they
43:31
Speaker 1: get married. She leaves journalism again and then she works
43:34
Speaker 1: at his company instead. When he dies in nineteen oh four,
43:41
Speaker 1: she takes over the business. Like and she's not just
43:46
Speaker 1: like some absent board member like stamping their signature onto stuff.
43:52
Speaker 1: Like she's involved, right, Nellie Bly, I just think she's
43:56
Speaker 1: naturally busy. She can't help herself. So like she's running
44:02
Speaker 1: the company. She's putting in all these reforms, and she
44:07
Speaker 1: has patents for this a novel milkcan and a stacking
44:15
Speaker 1: garbage can, and like they're registered under her like full
44:19
Speaker 1: legal married name, Elizabeth Cochrane Seamen. So like she is
44:25
Speaker 1: really really investing and really caring about employees and the
44:30
Speaker 1: life of employees families. So she's interesting all of these
44:35
Speaker 1: like reforms for all the employees at the Ironclad Manufacturing Company,
44:40
Speaker 1: their fitness centers, libraries, healthcare, and like at one point
44:46
Speaker 1: she was one of the leading women like leading women
44:50
Speaker 1: industrialists in the United States. Now eventually the company goes
44:55
Speaker 1: like bankrupt because you know, she's implementing all these reforms
45:00
Speaker 1: and she's funding this, and also because one of the
45:06
Speaker 1: men involved, one of the managers is embezzling, and so
45:11
Speaker 1: it goes bust. She returns to journalism in nineteen thirteen,
45:17
Speaker 1: writing for the New York Evening Journal. She ends up
45:23
Speaker 1: like writing for women's suffrage, right, she's covering the women's
45:28
Speaker 1: suffrage movement, and so she writes an article saying that
45:33
Speaker 1: suffragists are men's superiors and so, and she's like, by
45:38
Speaker 1: the way, women are going to get the right to
45:40
Speaker 1: vote in nineteen twenty, and everyone's like, no way, Nelly,
45:45
Speaker 1: not on your nelly. I regret nothing, and so she
45:50
Speaker 1: writes the article. She's very like pro suffrage movement, and
45:54
Speaker 1: she ends up. World War One hits so nineteen thirteen,
45:59
Speaker 1: she writes this article nineteen fourteen, she's in the war, right. So,
46:06
Speaker 1: in the First World War over in the Eastern Front,
46:10
Speaker 1: Nellie Bly was one of the first foreigners to like
46:14
Speaker 1: actually visit the war zone between Serbia and Austria, and
46:18
Speaker 1: she was the first woman. Right. She was also fun
46:24
Speaker 1: fact arrested, right. So she gets arrested because they think
46:31
Speaker 1: she's a British spy and then she has to go,
46:34
Speaker 1: I'm not a British spy, I'm American, and they go, oh, dear,
46:40
Speaker 1: anyway they release her. She's fine, everything is fine. When
46:46
Speaker 1: in Verna she wiltwa just went multi pass. Basically she
46:49
Speaker 1: was accredited by the War Press Office. Throughout the war,
46:54
Speaker 1: Nellie Bly stayed in Vienna and worked to support widows
46:57
Speaker 1: and orphans affected by the conflict. When the war ended, however,
47:04
Speaker 1: Nelly returned to New York and continued working for the
47:07
Speaker 1: New York Journal. She wrote an advice column which basically
47:12
Speaker 1: focused on charge of work and supported her work with
47:16
Speaker 1: unwed mothers and their children, people who tend to get
47:20
Speaker 1: forgotten about throughout history. And she continues doing this up
47:25
Speaker 1: until her death in nineteen twenty two. On the twenty
47:30
Speaker 1: seventh of January nineteen twenty two, Nellie Bly Elizabeth Jene
47:37
Speaker 1: cockwin Seamen died from pneumonia at Saint Mary's Hospital in
47:43
Speaker 1: New York. She was fifty seven years old. She was
47:49
Speaker 1: interlled at Woodlawn Cemetery in the Bronx. Nellie Bly has
47:54
Speaker 1: a great legacy because, like historically she's someone who's believed,
48:01
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, obviously there'll be naysayers from like
48:04
Speaker 1: the time she was alive, but there was a lot
48:08
Speaker 1: of respect and admiration, like for Nelly Bly nowadays for
48:13
Speaker 1: doing something that was so unexpected, something that was not
48:19
Speaker 1: of women of the era who started off life, you know,
48:22
Speaker 1: fairly privileged to having nothing, to having to run a
48:26
Speaker 1: boarding house, to quit school and having an opportunity where
48:30
Speaker 1: she just got angry and was like, no, you're wrong,
48:34
Speaker 1: I need to correct this. How dare you? And that
48:38
Speaker 1: led to a lifelong career and for her name being
48:42
Speaker 1: in the history books and I think out of all
48:45
Speaker 1: the people like I'm sorry. Also, she married a millionaire
48:49
Speaker 1: and she was like, listen, no babies, let's get married.
48:54
Speaker 1: Fabulous ten out of ten. And she lived her life
48:59
Speaker 1: and it was great for her. Obviously, pneumonia is not
49:03
Speaker 1: a great way to go, but it was prevalent in
49:05
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties. But she made a mark on history
49:11
Speaker 1: and she opened a lot of people's eyes to the
49:16
Speaker 1: injustices that were happening. She told the truth. And I
49:20
Speaker 1: think with a lot of history and a lot of
49:25
Speaker 1: even journalism at cough, she says journalism nowadays that that's
49:29
Speaker 1: often hidden and often misrepresented, sometimes deliberately, sometimes accidentally is listen,
49:38
Speaker 1: it's easy to fall for the lie, you know, But
49:45
Speaker 1: with that, that is the story of Nellie Blagh. Now,
49:50
Speaker 1: I originally did this as part of a live show
49:53
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh, Like it was a little fun thing I did. Pittsburgh.
49:58
Speaker 1: So many bridges, and also I'm very proud of their bridges,
50:01
Speaker 1: by the way, super proud of their bridges. Like the
50:04
Speaker 1: hotel ized I say hotel. I don't know if it
50:07
Speaker 1: was a hotel or a motel. It was not. I
50:12
Speaker 1: like to say, it's not a great establishment. I couldn't
50:14
Speaker 1: really tell you because it had no electricity or running
50:18
Speaker 1: water thanks to an unprecedented storm, so there was that.
50:22
Speaker 1: But also throughout the hotel, so many pictures of bridges, paintings, photos,
50:29
Speaker 1: so many bridges, really into their bridges. But of course
50:34
Speaker 1: that is the story of Neliply. I would love for
50:38
Speaker 1: you to like follow on the socials comments share. Oh
50:41
Speaker 1: my god, No, I have to tell this story real
50:43
Speaker 1: quick before I go, because I didn't put it at
50:45
Speaker 1: the beginning, so I'm gonna put it at the end.
50:47
Speaker 1: So I got an anonymous message. Sorry, this reminded me.
50:52
Speaker 1: I got an anonymous message. They went through like the
50:54
Speaker 1: contact form on my website, and I'm really really good
50:59
Speaker 1: at figuring out from like the first line or the
51:02
Speaker 1: first few words of whether I should care about something
51:05
Speaker 1: anybody says or not. And this person, as it turns out,
51:10
Speaker 1: had created like a whole anonymous account, like they'd set
51:15
Speaker 1: up an anonymous email, like untrackable nonsense, right because I
51:21
Speaker 1: was curious and I looked it up. So they set
51:23
Speaker 1: up this untrackable email, this anonymous thing so that they
51:27
Speaker 1: could insult me. And I was like, you went through
51:31
Speaker 1: all that effort to make this big anonymous thing so
51:34
Speaker 1: you could facelessly attempt to insult a woman? Is that
51:41
Speaker 1: is that what you did? Like how sad empathetic is
51:45
Speaker 1: your life? That clearly if you've gone to the effort
51:49
Speaker 1: to make this whole thing that I'm not the first
51:52
Speaker 1: person you've done this too, Like how sad is your life?
51:57
Speaker 1: Like what lack of everything thing are you having? That
52:01
Speaker 1: you're just doing this? Like this is where your enjoyment is,
52:06
Speaker 1: Like you have nothing going on in your life that
52:09
Speaker 1: the only thing you can do is to like secretly
52:15
Speaker 1: say mean things to people, like like like it's really
52:22
Speaker 1: really pathetic. It's like the most pathetic thing because I'm
52:24
Speaker 1: just like I think if you want to say something,
52:28
Speaker 1: you should say it with your whole chest, like you
52:31
Speaker 1: should be able to sign your name underneath it, Like
52:34
Speaker 1: if you're going to say something, stand by it, like
52:36
Speaker 1: defend it, argue it, like show your face if you
52:39
Speaker 1: don't like like what is so wrong with you? Like
52:43
Speaker 1: why are you so?
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Speaker 3: I feel like anyway, I saw the word like uh,
52:49
Speaker 3: like I think it started over like your podcast a shit,
52:51
Speaker 3: And then I think I saw the word communism, and
52:53
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, well delete, cause especially when people
52:57
Speaker 3: write me really long paragraphs in like really long emails
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Speaker 3: and really long messages. Again, I can tell from the
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Speaker 3: first few words like how bad it's gonna be.
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Speaker 1: And so they've put all this effort into writing this big,
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Speaker 1: long diatribe for nothing because I didn't even read it.
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Speaker 1: And that's what happens. Like see people try and like
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Speaker 1: just espouse like I don't know, just there're a word
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Speaker 1: vomit at me, and they do it in my comment sections,
53:29
Speaker 1: Like if you go to a super long paragraph there,
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Speaker 1: I'm not reading that. That's getting deleted. I don't care.
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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that because if it's that important, you'd
53:37
Speaker 1: email me and you're tone you know what. I'm at
53:41
Speaker 1: the point in my life where I don't have to
53:42
Speaker 1: be nice to anyone. I choose to be nice. I
53:47
Speaker 1: choose to be kind. I'm not a nice person. I
53:49
Speaker 1: choose to be kind because it's ingrained in me, and
53:54
Speaker 1: I think it's better to be kind anyway. With that,
53:58
Speaker 1: I think it's recommended time for reading. You know what
54:02
Speaker 1: I'm going to do it for reading, you should read
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Speaker 1: Eva the Adventurous, which is one of the lost novels
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Speaker 1: by Nellie Bly like they discovered it. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I think it was it. I want to say, like
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight or something. It was discovered, But yeah,
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Speaker 1: you should read it, because why not. Let's read her fiction.
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Speaker 1: Although it was technically based on a real life peerson,
54:22
Speaker 1: but that's neither here nor there. For listening, you know,
54:27
Speaker 1: when I finally started listening to actually was someone knows
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Speaker 1: Something Now. I think that I tried to listen to
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Speaker 1: this many many years ago when I was struggling with
54:42
Speaker 1: the bad feelings or as we like to call them
54:44
Speaker 1: in this house, the Doomies, and I think there was
54:47
Speaker 1: like a whole issue with the Doomies, and I don't
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Speaker 1: think I was even paying attention to it. So I've
54:51
Speaker 1: started re listening from season one and I'm like, I
54:55
Speaker 1: don't remember any of this. Clearly was not absorbing the information,
54:59
Speaker 1: but so far, very good, very interesting, very into this
55:04
Speaker 1: for watching. I started watching His and Hers, which I
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Speaker 1: just love. How uncomfortable I am because I don't trust
55:15
Speaker 1: anything I see. I'm like, I don't like this perspective.
55:19
Speaker 1: I don't like that perspective. Stuff's going on here. I'm
55:22
Speaker 1: just not into any of it. There's like a lot
55:26
Speaker 1: of stuff. I'm into it, but also I'm very cautious.
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Speaker 1: I don't trust any of it. So, yes, that's your recommendations.
55:36
Speaker 1: Because I'm also watching Slash doing that, I'm of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bid you good day, adios. Au revoir of
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Speaker 1: waas them my friends, Bibby