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#50 My Guys, Do Not Draft + More! · Draft Offsides Podcast

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We are getting awfully close to draft guys.
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How are you feeling? I've done a couple mock drafts.
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Even though Tikka thinks it's like wanking, I think it's
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important to know where I'm going to be drafting and what
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kind of I should be able to see so I don't panic in the moment.
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Feel pretty good. How many mock drafts have you
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done? I've done four.
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Yeah, I've done 4. Four too many for Tikka.
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Yeah. I I want to do one just drafting
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from the 12th spot because that's where I drafted our
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twelve man league. And that's why I did.
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I dropped it in the 11th spot. Yeah, the the reason not so much
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just because I, I feel like I've done a few and I feel
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comfortable, but it's more like that position can get just
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really awkward with two picks and so long.
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So I just want to see what the flow feels like from there.
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So I'll probably do at least one or two more draft mock draft.
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Hello, welcome to episode 55, Zero of Draft Offsides 50.
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My name is Keith. I'm with Tico and Enzo.
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But yeah, so hey, let's get into it a little bit.
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Let's talk news. So as of now, we've kind of
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talked about some of your own folk.
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We talked about them in previous episodes.
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What are what are some big transfers?
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We had Calico Gallagher's gone. We knew that was coming, Solanke
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rumoured. Tottenham, Yep.
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Is that an upgrade for him or a downgrade for him?
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On your, on your boards, on your draft boards.
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Well, he's honestly, I don't think it's an upgrade or a
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downgrade. I think it's the same.
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He's going to start every game at Bournemouth, He could
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probably start nearly every game at Tottenham.
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If he comes, he's going to start ahead of a Charleston you
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expect, you know, I mean, is he going to get more goals?
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I. Think it's an.
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Upgrade. You think it's a definite?
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I don't think. I don't think it's a definite
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upgrade. That's my thing.
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I don't think it's a definite upgrade for him.
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I think even if he was. Even if he doesn't get more
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goals, I think he'll get more ghost points for sure because
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he'll have more opportunities. Probably more shots more like.
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More assist opportunities. Assist opportunities just like
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chances to score more touches on the ball.
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He doesn't do that many assists though.
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He's more no, but. But I'm just saying in general,
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he's just going to have more of the ball, like Tottenham's going
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to have more of the ball than Bournemouth will so.
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In 2223, he had seven assists, so he's capable of passing it
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off. He helped it off their forward.
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Yeah, maybe it's a one off season because he's never come
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close to it again. He had three last year.
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But I think it is an upgrade just because Tottenham scores
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more goals, he's going to have more opportunities, more passes.
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So to me his value went up and I mean how many did retardless
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score last year didn't? He had like 11.
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He had like 11. It was.
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Better than people act like that.
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He was such a flop but it was better than people thought. 11
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goals for assists and 28 games. Eight he started.
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So if Retardless scored eleven, you put someone like so like in
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there. I feel like it should be higher,
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much higher, yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of into it.
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I think he'll move up a few slots for me.
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I think, I think Matt, I think all of a sudden I'm more
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interested in him than yeah. I don't know.
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Would you go mad at the nurse or Salanki?
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If Salanki is Tottenham? Would you?
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Who'd you drive first? You.
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Think you'll get more of the ball?
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You feel mad. At I think Madison will get more
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of the ball, but I think Salanki will be in better opportunities.
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Yeah. But yeah, that's a definite 1.
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Tell me about SAR from just got transferred to Crystal Palace
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and so I think you're you like him.
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He's made of saw, he's another attacking threat again, like
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Crystal Palace is covered. They've actually been doing
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pretty good business in my opinion.
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I think he could be like another Diaby, but this time through the
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middle that we had last season. But will he be able to be
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consistent throughout, even possible?
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He's not known as a goal scorer predominantly but he he is a
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like a boxer box midfielder basically.
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Where? Where is he going for you in
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drafts? He's still going late, mate.
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I don't think he's going late in like early in the seventh round.
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You have some reach. Any other big names coming to
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mind? Obviously Julian Alvarez is
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gone, so, so that just opens up a little bit of space at City.
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Does that open up your mind more to Greenish now?
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Now that he's gone, does that give Greenish more than the door
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slightly cracked a little bit more for him to put his foot
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through? Maybe I mean, I actually think
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he's like pretty good in the pre season.
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Yep. So so yeah, I think just it
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opens your door to a few different players there.
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Potential hinted might talk about later.
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Do you want to move on? Is there anything else?
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Chelsea got a player. Alma, how do you say his name?
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It's not. It's talking, friend.
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Yeah, no, it is. I think it's not.
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Friend the Spanish the Spanish Nigerian player.
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It's another one. It's like player #52 of
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Chelsea's total players. Some of the memes today I was
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seeing were so funny. It was like a crowd.
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It was like a like a thousands of people on a, on a football
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pitch. Like so like like after a game,
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you know, like the fans will storm the field.
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There's like a photo from that from an aerial view.
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And it was like Chelsea's day one practice, you know what I
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mean? Like, it's like really funny.
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Just like it's so bad. So yeah, I don't know, I, I
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don't think you can really bank on any of these players.
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Trust your signing until you see until you see something from
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them. You.
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Sign them. They're all they're still
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signing long contracts again, because it's just trying to
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stretch out that fee that they. Paid.
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It's really bad, guys. I think if it wasn't for
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fantasy, I'd be really depressed.
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This is at least keeping my like my mood up because there's like
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other things to think about, but it's really bad there's on all
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levels. It's definitely shady, yeah, but
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yeah, besides that, What? Eze?
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That's another rumour to have several clubs.
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I don't think it's going anywhere.
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I don't think that's just going. Anywhere.
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I don't think, I don't think I've been there.
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They're both rumours. Was it Delay is still up in the
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air for Bayern Munich to go to Man United?
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Yeah. Isn't there another player, Maz
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Maz Ruby? Yeah.
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Wampusaka is another one to West to West Ham or AC Milan, but the
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only way that work is if because Dumfries wants to go to United
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so they do a swap deal. But Dumfries is on Inter.
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Sorry, Inter Milan. Sorry, it was Inter Milan.
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They want to do a swap deal. Oh, interesting.
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Yeah, that'd be fine. I love Dumfries.
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I'd love to see him in the Premier League.
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Yeah, I figured you'd do well. Did you guys see the Arsenal
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lineup today? They put Haverton, the
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midfielder and the Jesus up top and both of them scored.
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Interesting interest up there. We'll see.
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Is that that makes me less excited about Harvard?
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That makes me less excited about Harvard.
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I know he scored today, but yeah, I'd be, I'd be very bummed
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if Harvard was not was playing in the mission.
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I'd be very surprised if Gabriel Jesus starts after what happened
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last season. But I think that you guys point,
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though, that that might mean that Gabriel Jesus starts
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keeping up draft boards. Yeah, but.
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Who are you? It's a reach.
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It's a big Where would you begin?
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If you would, I mean, where's he going?
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Where's where's his ADP right now was?
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It a front my. Front Tico, but this drops Havis
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for me as much as it possibly raises Gabriel Jesus.
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Who's AD? Who's the AD?
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PS 7030. I don't hate it.
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It's so it's risky and I I don't love that, but it's not like I
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think that's like a high risk, high reward pick at 73 if you
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get a starter for Arsenal. And it's like, I think the only
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reason Gabriel de Jesus was disappointing last week because
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he was going in the second round, right?
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Yeah. But if you get, if you get his
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value in the seventh round, what he did for the first half of
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this before the injury, you'd be stuck.
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Yeah. It's also that's for the left
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side, for the left wing, for Arsenal.
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Martinelli had a bad year, Trasar's not really a full time
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starter, and Gabriel Jesus has played on the left side as well.
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Yeah, that's, that's another possibility totally.
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But Trasar in my opinion, can start.
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You say he's a part time star, He started week in, week out for
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Bryan and that good Bryan team. I think he should be playing
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ahead and I think Artel noticed that at the end of the season.
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That's why he was starring Troussard ahead of Marnelli.
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I think if Troussard can stay healthy for a whole season,
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he'll he might take that. He can threaten that spot.
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I just worry that I think Troussard just had injury, just
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like durability issues at Arsenal so far.
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Yeah. Am I wrong, Chica?
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You look at the numbers and I'm wrong?
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No, I was just because I don't, I don't, I don't know if that's
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true. I just, that's how I feel.
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Yeah, I was just trying to see what Trustard did last last
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season. He's ADP 79, so he's going after
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Jesus. Yeah, I would take Jesus over
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Trustard. Me too, I I wouldn't all.
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Right, let's move on. News over let's talk about So I,
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I released a series of tweets on the AT drafts offsides Twitter
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and it's the case against picking any of the players in
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the top ten. And it's not like obviously you
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still pick those guys. It's more just a thought
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experiment. I was trying to do to like be
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like, OK, what are the risks associated with each of these
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players? And then after looking at it
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that way, like who do I feel best about taking you guys just
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read it like if like in the last hour, what did you guys did you
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guys have any thoughts from after looking at all that that I
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for those tweets? A couple things I, I thought it
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was a great, great tweak, great, great read.
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I think we said it already that Saka seems to be the all out
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should be #1 pick just for all round.
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But then, you know, you've always got that inkling in the
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back of your head that Harland had a down season last season
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and he was still the top goal scorer of the league.
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And if he can stay fit, I think he'll still have maximum points
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again. But again, it's a big if.
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But I like, I like the detail you went into.
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But yes son, I feel one last season, like you said, ageing a
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little bit more. Palmer, you said it bad.
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We all know what it's the, it's not like it's an elephant in the
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room. We all know what it is.
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Is he going to get 9 penalties again?
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Yeah, yeah, Palmer's interesting.
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I mean, that one, that one's so kind of clear cut to me.
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It's just you can't imagine. You don't get the penalties, but
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you also think he's young and he could get better.
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And then there's the system issue, there's uncertainty.
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And then the other one that I think the biggest take away for
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me was the Phil Foden 1. Oh yes, the XG over performance.
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So he over pouring his XG by almost what, eight goals?
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You think? That's a lot.
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That's a lot to over perform XG by like good, good players can
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over perform the XG, but not by eight goals.
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So I think there's, I think recession is coming for Phil
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Foudon in that regard. I hope not, but yeah.
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Tiko any thoughts? For me, Cole Palmer, for obvious
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reasons, there's a lot of question marks around the team
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from management to, you know, just the players they have and
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the changes they're going to be having this year.
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To me, it was also, you know, the masala because I'm kind of
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talking myself into getting Sala on the 4th pick if he's
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available. But you probably bring up the,
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you know, point that what if Liverpool's not good in January?
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Are they going to be turned, turned down a lot of money from
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Saudis again. So that's an interesting one.
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So that kind of maybe the is Liverpool going to be competing
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for this year. So that's the one that kind of
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set out for me. Yeah, that one's a scary one.
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That's like, I mean, if he's if you don't pick, because I'm the
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5th pick, so if you don't pick Sala, then I'm going to be I'm
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going to probably have to pick Sala.
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You know what I mean? It's like a very like.
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It's like your hands are tied, you know what I mean?
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Yeah, yeah. I feel like my hands are tied
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with the 5th pick with with you. Both of you are both in front of
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me, both as. Are you 4th or you're 4th?
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No, you're 4th. And what league?
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In our ten man 10 man. Yeah, it's always the 10 man.
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Aren't I the 4th pick? No.
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I'm pretty sure on 4th. You're 5th, Enzo, you're 5th.
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I'm 6th it's my fault. So I was wrong.
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We're both wrong. Me we're.
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Both wrong. I knew I was before you.
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That was it. I was right.
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Take us look at Dick, all right, You can keep that part in the
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where calling your brother a Dick.
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You keep that in all right. And the part that I was right,
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we we actually get to Spike pick the hell out of each other.
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Yeah, we're literally driving 456.
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Yeah, it's. Going to be interesting.
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Yeah, I beg you. I beg you pick up Sun for pick.
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I'll be so upset. Are you going to do it?
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You won't do it. You're not sweet.
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Enzo. Enzo.
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Would you do it? Would you pick up Sun to the 5th
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just for fun? No, no, too much.
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Too much of a gap between. Too much of a gap between.
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It's funny how big the gap is between 5:00 and even 8.
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You know what I mean? I think 6 and beyond is like big
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gap for me. 6 is the cut off. Yeah.
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That's why I have like kind of chilled at six.
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I think whatever the last one does, I have like that tier,
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yeah. The decisions taken away from.
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You yeah, I think like after that it's like kind of I'm just
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at peace with it, you know, one thing I really do want to say
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the, the way that I chose the draw, the our drop position was
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like the most fun I've had in so long.
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It was a lot of fun. I've been a witness.
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I just want to, I just want to explain it to everyone.
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I, we're, we're all in a WhatsApp group.
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So I called the entire WhatsApp group and the people who are
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available to pick up, pick up. And then I have my camp, my
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phone like mounted and I have two bowls next to me.
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I have two bowls next to me and one bowl is full of numbers, one
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bowl full of names. And I'm just like picking a
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number and picking a name and like doing it.
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So like there's no one thinks there's any foul play because
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it's it's like a live stream and then we just record it and then
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send it to the group after it was a boss.
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People are yelling at me. It was fun.
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They're still suspect, but. Yeah, I've been.
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Says I'm cheating somehow. Still, it's great.
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I. Think the famous scandal in the
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NBA, for during the draft work, the commissioner put his hand to
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pick up an envelope. They say it was frozen, so I
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think you probably frozen one of the papers out of your name on
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there so you could pick it up. Yeah, yeah.
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Then after that case, he would've given himself bad fix.
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I. Think we're wealth is weird?
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Well, think. Look, you're 12th.
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I'm I'm 11th and you're 6th. I'm 5th.
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And I cannot get away from you. I don't.
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Know forever together all. Right.
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So like our main segment today we're doing, we're kind of doing
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three things. One is called my guys, which are
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you guys that we're all in on, guys that we think are going to
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be great. And they're not like the
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obvious, obviously not like round one, round two guys, but
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like guys are a little deeper that we just like are really,
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really excited about. We really, really want to like
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we like stake our claim on like, you know, this is something we
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really believe in, stake our reputation on.
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The next segment we're doing is do not draft, which are guys
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that we are just completely out on.
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We don't care how far they drop. We're not drafting them.
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And then the third one is like reaches, so people that we are
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willing to reach a round or two ahead just to make sure we grab
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because we like them so much, especially for their value for
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where they're going, just to make sure that we get them.
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So we're going to start with the my guys and we'll start with
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Tico. Tico, who is your my guy?
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Who are you willing to plant your flag on?
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Dominic Silvisi, I had him last year.
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He welcome to the to the Premier League his rookie season.
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He. It's.
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Got off to a very good start but I think essentially what
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happened is he is still only 23 years of age.
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As the year went up, I think the Premier League season took a hit
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on him and I think was Liverpool in Europe.
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So they were playing in Europe. Our Champions League can't
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remember. So I think all of that
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considering he kind of trailed off towards the end of the year
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and second-half. But with the he played well in
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their EUR they they in the preseason he's he's been playing
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well. I think he has one or two goals
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and it looks like he's going to be playing more up top.
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He's projected to go in the sixth round.
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I think he it's a very good pick at the sixth round and that's a
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guy I'm going to try to get. What do you think, Edza?
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Yeah. It's I still feel that's a safe
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pick in my opinion, But you know, you, you it's always what
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you call it suspect like you you're saying he's gonna play a
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more attacking role. I know he's done that in pre
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season, but every time we see Matt just go through pre season
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and try something new but then go back to sign something pretty
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different regulars. The the reason for this one is a
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little different because it's a new system.
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He's in pudding, he's not going to experiment in the pre season.
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He wants to kind of make sure they understand his system.
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Whereas club last year he had his his system during the
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season, they played it for a couple of years.
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He could always revert back to it, but this is a new system so
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I feel like this is going to be more accurate of the way they
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play in the regular season. I like it.
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I like, I like Sobel side. I, I think what I like about
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Sobel side too is he represents like the end of the tier for me.
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So like he's like where he's going in drafts.
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Like I think there's like a big gap after that.
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So I, I, I want to get like a lot of times I want to get like
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the last guys before a big gap of like quality wise, you know,
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because it's like I can get other things and if slow the
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slides there where I can grab them and I feel like there's
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such a big drop off after I feel really good about grabbing.
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Cool, Enzo, Who's your Who's your my guy?
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Yeah, Leon Bailey going to stick with him.
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Didn't start half a season last season.
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I think he played 35 games, 22 starts registered ten goals, 9
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assists. I think he could do more than a
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double. Double V starts every game.
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I know they got Champions League this year, so that's my only
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threat by him, but all in 52, I think 50 / 50 chances created.
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I think he's one of those players that's going to create
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more for his teammates. So again, that's complete
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crosses, assists and and all that.
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So I think Leon Bailey, solid, always going to start is going
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to give you something on that right hand side and especially
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with now the RB being gone. Tika, that's.
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We talked about in the last episode, I think Bailey, just
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one of Mezzo's guys. There's been a lot of shuffling
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the Villa midfield, couple players left and people to be
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have been brought in. So it's gonna be interesting how
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it looks. It might be a rotation again.
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So we'll see how to, especially with what aren't they coming in
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and I know they got someone else, I just can't think of it
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off top of my head. But they do have a lot of people
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coming in the midfield. Yeah, I mean, I like Bailey.
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I, I he really passes the eye test when you, when you watch
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him play, you're like, whoa, damn, that dude.
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Like, how did that dude just get by that same guy like three
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times in a row? Like, how does that happen?
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You know, So I think from that perspective, I really like
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Bailey. I think for him, it's just about
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putting it together multiple seasons now.
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I think he's been like pretty spotty.
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And last year he kind of finally put together a consistent full
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season. And so I want to see that from
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him again. But I think that something you
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didn't mention is that they paid.
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They paid Bailey. They gave him like a big new
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juicy contract. So for them, they are banking on
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that and the fact that Diaby's no longer there.
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I think there's a lot to be excited about.
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OK, mine is a defender. It's Daniel Munez from from
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Crystal Palace. So he actually he started really
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only started playing when Gloucester came in and near the
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end of the season, like probably second-half of the season,
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right? And in 16 starts, he averaged
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7th in points per start for defenders of all players playing
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10 plus games, which is like excellent.
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And where it like where he's going in drafts?
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I think to me, I think he can he can improve on that.
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Like I think he can actually be better than that.
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And he had an excellent Coppa for Colombia.
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I like he like literally like scored multiple goals, like had
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multiple assists was like a difference maker for that
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Colombian team to the point where I legitimately think that
19:04
if he was playing in the final because he got a red card, if he
19:07
was playing in the final, I think Colombia would have won
19:09
that game. Like I like, I, I think he's
19:11
that much of a difference maker for Colombia.
19:12
The way that he would move up another field is such a threat.
19:15
And so I, I'm really excited to see him play at palace this year
19:18
under Gloucester for like a full season with a full preseason.
19:22
And I think like he had just entered the league last year.
19:24
So I think just having this experience under his belt is
19:27
going to only mean that he he can only go up.
19:30
The only thing I'd probably disagree with is what you said
19:32
about the final the Copa, but besides.
19:37
That I would disagree with that for sure.
19:39
Yeah, I don't think that him being there would have made that
19:41
much of a difference. Probably honest, but in the
19:44
Premier League I've agreed. Like Glasno, he he played more
19:47
the second-half of the season. I think Glasnost's got an idea
19:49
of how he wants to play with his team and I think he did well
19:53
last season. And yeah, I think if he he can't
19:56
be solid, I can't remember what what was.
19:58
What do you say his average was? ADP right now is like 5959.
20:03
It's not bad, not bad at all if you're going to get a solid
20:05
player from right there. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if that's
20:08
I think you can comfortably have him as your defender one and
20:11
feel really good about it. Yeah, getting that in the
20:14
seventh round one, like freaking like just a weird ass defenders
20:17
are going before him. Like there's some there's some
20:20
weird ass defenders going before him.
20:22
See center backs going before him, man.
20:24
I see Celiba getting picked up before Gabrielle.
20:26
Mccaulis, Gabrielle. So.
20:28
Yeah, and William Celiba goes before him.
20:30
Team he's fighting for, that's all it is.
20:32
It's the name, yeah. Hi.
20:33
Any other thoughts on that before we move on?
20:36
I think it's a good, a good shout, especially players that
20:39
come back from EUR or Copa America and they have a good
20:42
tournament. They a lot of times it transfers
20:45
over to the domestic season as well and he did a lot for
20:49
Colombia. I think him being there would
20:51
have been a difference. Whoa, that's that's a that's a
20:53
really big thing for you to say, Tico, as a adopted Brazil fan,
20:57
Yeah, really, really big of you. Really mature.
21:02
All right, moving on to we're so this now we're going to go to
21:05
our do not draft. So these are the players that
21:07
under no circumstances would we ever draft.
21:09
We just think they're disgusting.
21:11
We think they're just vile fantasy assets.
21:14
Tico, you go first. Hogeland and.
21:18
For United Rasmus Hoisland Hoyland.
21:22
Not because I'm out on him, I still think he's a good player.
21:24
I think he's going to produce as just, I think it's going to be a
21:28
frustrating player to own, especially since he's starting
21:30
the year injured. For the second year in a row
21:33
they brought in a different striker, so you don't know how
21:36
it's going to be. Especially if the Xerxe does
21:38
well. It might be harder for Hozen to
21:41
get back on the field and he does seem to be injury prone, at
21:44
least for the time being. So I think drafting, especially
21:47
where he's going, he would be one of those fares, right?
21:50
Commercial Rashford last year, you wasted a draft capital you
21:52
feel like obligated to be starting.
21:54
And I think it's going to be like a lot of those games were
21:56
like two points, three points, 15 points.
21:58
And then again, not a lot of consistency.
22:01
So that's why I would not stay away from it.
22:05
Dare I might ask, is Hoisen having some man bones growing
22:08
issues? Is it some man bones?
22:10
100% A. 100% he needs to drink the same milk that hotline
22:14
drinks so he could go into him. Like he's bootleg, We've said it
22:18
already, Mana is he's I think he's going to do better than he
22:21
did last season. But to be honest, I think it's
22:24
not going to be just a puddle batch.
22:25
I think it's going to spread through, but it's not going to
22:28
be like goal after goal after goal.
22:30
I still don't think he would break 12 goals in a whole
22:33
season. Do you want?
22:33
To make that bad again, Tico. I'll make that bad.
22:36
You make that bad again. Yeah #2 better #2.
22:40
Yeah. Nice to have business for you,
22:41
Sir. Yeah, he won't break 12 again,
22:44
so if he hits 12, we break even. But if he goes over, you win.
22:47
If he goes underneath, I win. What if he double S the number
22:51
24? He won't get 24 brother.
22:54
I'll fucking bet my house on that.
22:55
Is it under your name? No, it's not about my in laws
23:01
but yeah I I agree I wouldn't with the injury early on and
23:05
that gives the opening for Xerxe.
23:08
So I just realized that you guys have two bats and they're both
23:11
about Hoiseland. We just, we just need some more
23:13
bats. That's that's something we need
23:14
to add next episode. Next episode you will see some
23:17
more bats between us about things that are going to happen.
23:20
Friendly bits. Friendly bit.
23:22
I think that my concern with Hoiseland is my concern with all
23:24
United players is that I just like, are they going to be any
23:28
better than they were last year? Like really like what's changed?
23:31
Like they've added another attacking player, they didn't
23:33
add another midfielder and midfield is where I think the
23:36
concerns were now the defender and he got injured immediately.
23:40
Like what's really changed there?
23:41
So I think the one thing I do like about Hoyland is that he's
23:44
he's going so much later than he used to.
23:47
He's like right now his ADP is 66.81.
23:51
So if you're talking like what sounds like if you're in A10 min
23:54
league, that's like the seventh round, that doesn't feel that
23:56
bad. I wouldn't feel that bad doing
23:58
that even with him injured, but I just don't I just I I wouldn't
24:02
feel that great about it either. I think just let him in the
24:04
United fan, grab him too early and just let that person suffer.
24:08
That's my kind of take on that. All right.
24:10
And so who do you got for Do not draft.
24:12
Gabriel Teodoro, Martinelli Silva, he's I guess the ADP is
24:20
what, the seventh round, but I've been seeing him getting
24:22
picked up in the 5th. Sometimes I've even seen him
24:24
picked up in the fourth round in these mock drafts.
24:27
And so it's. Dropped a lot actually.
24:28
It's not 7th anymore. He's what?
24:30
His ADP right now is 42.72. So it used to be maybe a God.
24:36
It was 42.72. Oh my God, I don't see.
24:39
I don't see it. It must be a bunch of awesome
24:42
fans on fan tracks because I don't really see it.
24:44
What I see from him is that he runs down and there's no end
24:47
product. He has no end product, mean
24:49
there's no crosses, there's no assists.
24:53
He had AI think he had a, a, a good season a season before and
24:56
that's what he was trying to live on.
24:58
And then if you look at the season before that, the season
25:00
and the season he just had, they look very similar, 6/6 and 6/4.
25:04
You're right. Yeah, you're totally right that
25:06
15-5 is the is this anomaly? Is the anomaly.
25:10
I would stay away from Gabriel Manley.
25:13
Go for another Arsenal tagging players.
25:15
Shit, I go for Deckle Rice. You know the false 10.
25:19
Don't talk about. That I'm just saying, I think.
25:21
Stop trying to make it a thing. It's a thing.
25:23
Stop trying to make it happen. Hey, fans on, on, on.
25:27
The comments just say false. 10 is real.
25:29
But yeah, I'd stay away from Mano.
25:32
I think he's going to be a waste of time this season.
25:34
He's not going to get you. He's going to piss you off week
25:36
in, week out, Keith, you know. Yeah, he pissed me off week in
25:39
and week out last year. That was that was a really dark
25:42
time for me. Yeah.
25:44
I mean, I think if he was going in the in a little bit later,
25:47
I'd actually be excited about this pick because I still think
25:49
he is a contributor. I still think he's an asset.
25:52
But I think in the fourth round, the 5th and the beginning of the
25:57
fifth round, I think that's way too risky considering last year.
26:00
What's out there? There's so much better things
26:02
out there. Yeah, considering what's out
26:03
there exactly, just what if you're looking around with the
26:06
other players that are going to that region, there's no way I'm
26:09
taking Martinelli in the 4th. No.
26:11
Tikka, what are you? What are your thoughts?
26:13
Same thing. I mean, I know you guys said the
26:15
15 goals might be the anomaly, but he's still only what, 2223?
26:20
The upside is there, but I wouldn't feel comfortable
26:24
drafting him in the fourth, fifth round.
26:26
Just looking at the ADP players after him are as Bernardo Silva,
26:29
Metoma, gap goal, Leon Bailey, McAllister.
26:33
I think I would just take all of those players or Martinelli.
26:37
All right, I have I have a plan. Let's I have a game.
26:39
Let's pick a round that we would feel good about drafting.
26:42
Martinelli. Like when would you like?
26:45
What round are you like? I think I got a good deal. 12th
26:48
round. OK, see, that's a little crazy.
26:50
That's unrealistic. I think for me, I think if I got
26:53
him in the sixth or seventh round, I would feel good about
26:57
that. I'd rather pick up Matera in the
26:59
sixth round and I'd rather I would too, and I'd rather and
27:03
I'd rather pick up, what's his name, Matoma in the seventh
27:07
round. So let me ask you guys this
27:09
would you rather have Martinelli on the 6th round or Jesus on the
27:13
ninth round? Jesus, the ninth round.
27:16
Yes, he's his ninth. OK, OK, I'm, I'm readjusting my
27:20
values. Who's next?
27:22
Is that UN zone? No, that's me.
27:24
That's me, right? Yeah, it's you.
27:25
It's you. OK, my do not draft is Lucas
27:28
Pequeta. I've been talking shitless man
27:31
for three months now. I'm waiting.
27:38
I'm waiting for his like his homies that were illegally
27:40
betting to come and beat me up. That's how much I'm talking on
27:43
him. I just don't see it and the
27:46
stats don't back it up. I think it's he's a he's a big
27:48
name that doesn't have big output.
27:51
If you look at he has his points per start. 8.9 points per start
27:55
puts him at 93rd in 2324 amongst players with tenor war starts.
28:01
Where's he going to drops? Tea Cog. 1630.
28:05
OK, so you're getting ripped off.
28:07
It's like buying a used car from just off the lot without any
28:10
negotiation. No, it's it's buying a used car
28:12
and them saying we rebuilt the engine.
28:14
Just go brand new corporate OH. Yeah, yeah, he is.
28:20
He is a lemon. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't.
28:23
I completely agree. And then the worst part is like
28:25
his medium score. So yeah, you know, the way you
28:28
look at like a median score is like what's the average is even
28:30
lower. So it's like he's even, it's not
28:32
even like he's not even consistently getting 8.9 points
28:35
per start. He's getting lower than that on
28:37
a median. He just has some booms and
28:39
busts. And then I think the other thing
28:41
his his ghost points per start. So like the argument would be Oh
28:44
well maybe he's just really contributes and he's consistent
28:46
from like non goal assists is his ghost points per start is
28:50
7.1 which is 122nd overall. Does he have explosive games?
28:55
You know war, any war stats is that could it be I don't.
28:57
I don't have them in front of me right now, but but I would say,
29:01
yeah, a little bit. I think he has some, a little
29:03
bit of war. Yeah, I think he probably,
29:05
that's probably the war value. That has to be the war value.
29:08
That's the only thing that makes sense.
29:09
But again, he does not. I don't think he has too many of
29:12
those games. Yeah, I just don't think he's, I
29:14
just don't think he's the guy that we've he's been portrayed
29:17
to be. And I think the Brazil
29:18
connection is driving his value up.
29:20
You know what I remember about Paqueta?
29:22
I remember the last year during it, right after the draft I was
29:25
getting shit for drafting Douglas Louise over Paqueta from
29:28
the both of you. I don't remember that.
29:30
I don't. Remember that I.
29:31
Have no recollection at all. If only we're doing this over
29:34
some kind of a podcast where we could go back and listen to it.
29:36
You. Should go back and listen to
29:38
that because I don't freaking remember saying anything about
29:40
Paquel. I remember ripping you because
29:42
of Douglas Louise. Which we were wrong about.
29:44
Which we were wrong about and we we accept that.
29:46
But you're trying to add the little cherry on top is really
29:49
on gentlemanly of you. Yeah, truly.
29:52
I'll find it. Oh yeah, please, please do.
29:54
I challenge you to find it. Yeah, you wanker.
29:56
All right. So now we're moving on next
29:58
segment and this segment is it's like reaches.
30:02
So these are players that we really like that we want to
30:06
secure around early because we're like that excited about
30:09
them. We're not interested in it, in
30:11
them. And it's like a lot of times
30:12
these are probably later in drafts, you know, like, but not
30:15
necessarily. But Tico, who do you have?
30:17
Who is a reach for you? It's a player I've been talking
30:20
about for a while now, it is Emil Smitro.
30:24
I just have high expectations for him going to full on team
30:28
that's kind of getting younger. Seems like they brought in
30:31
daughter, some older players, brought in a couple of new
30:33
players. He's shown that he could perform
30:36
in Arsenal. The times he he played, I think
30:38
he had a year where he scored, he scored ten goals to assist.
30:42
Yeah, he's stable of producing if he gets the opportunity.
30:45
I'm not, you know, obviously he's not in every year like Cole
30:48
Palmer, but this is a midfielder who is going to get an
30:51
opportunity and has a chance to be a very productive fantasy
30:56
player. I could do such a close Arsenal
30:58
fan. It's disgusting.
31:01
He plays for full hub. Yeah, but he played for.
31:03
Arsenal, yeah, you had no so far up his arse.
31:06
Look, I've always said it, he's not a 10 and middle Smith Row
31:09
isn't A10. I don't.
31:10
Think what is he is an 8 Do you? I think he's more of an 8.
31:13
He doesn't. He's not attacking, creative
31:14
midfielder the way everyone thinks he is.
31:17
Like he played in the Arsenal team where he was forced to play
31:19
that position, but he wasn't. It wasn't that good.
31:21
Saka made him look better than he was.
31:24
I don't think he's a bad player. I think he'll do well at Fulham.
31:26
I think he's going to be the mainstay there.
31:28
He's going to get the minutes and they'll build around him.
31:32
But I I how? How early are you reaching Tico?
31:36
Yeah. So his ADP right now is 82.53.
31:39
So Tico, you're taking him in the seventh round or the seventh
31:43
round? Seventh round.
31:45
I will. If he's there on the 7th, I will
31:48
take him. And depending obviously how my
31:50
team is constructed, yeah, yeah, yeah, all that stuff.
31:52
But in the seventh round, if he's he's on the table, I will
31:54
take him. It makes sense, understand?
31:56
I don't hate it. I mean who, who, who else is
31:58
going in the 7th? Right before him the ADP is menu
32:03
and the right below him is Barkley.
32:04
So either one of those players I.
32:06
Get either one of those. I would much rather have.
32:09
I would much rather have Smith row than than menu.
32:12
No, I think I'm upset. I'd rather have Smith rather
32:15
than menu. How about Barkley?
32:17
I probably, I mean, again, it's about team construction, right?
32:20
I think if, if I was a little weak in midfield, I might go
32:23
with Ross Barkley because I think that's a little bit of a
32:25
safer pick. But if I wanted, if I needed
32:27
like a little more like explosion potential, I think
32:30
Smith Row has the potential to be explosive for full on.
32:34
So that's how I would look at it.
32:35
I like it. I like that as a reach.
32:38
I like it a lot. I almost changed it last second
32:41
to a different player. We can talk about them after.
32:43
Because you were down yourself, which you should have doubled
32:46
yourself. OK, well and I don't know how
32:48
you're going to feel about this pick in a month from now.
32:50
So who is your rich? So I picked this guy because he
32:55
has a similar mindset of me. He just did an interview
32:57
recently where he said he's not A10, he's not a nine, he's a
33:01
9.5. Oh my God.
33:04
Fuck you loved it man. Read his interview anyway.
33:07
He is Hoyland's backup, but he'll be starting ahead of
33:11
Hoyland I'm assuming in the first couple games of the
33:13
season. Is Xerxe King Xerxe the great
33:17
from Persia? 303 hundred there you.
33:21
Go, I mean just from history I guess, but.
33:23
Yes, from history. But anyway, he's a big reach.
33:25
He's only isn't. I don't think he's even on the
33:28
scope for most people. I think he's.
33:30
Playing the 10th round and so. No, he isn't, is he?
33:32
Yes he is. The ADP is hundred 107.07. 11
33:37
round, like 11th round, so yeah, I might get him in the 10th
33:41
round. I don't think it's that big of a
33:42
RE. 6/4. Yeah, he's a big.
33:44
Boy, to be like he's trying to find something to fucking talk
33:47
shit about. Go on.
33:48
I just don't know much about him.
33:49
I I really don't. That's that's why I like it.
33:52
Like another just unknown player from United.
33:55
Here's my question to you. Last year an unknown player came
33:58
to Manchester United and you were shitting at him non-stop.
34:01
Yeah. This year, another former comes
34:04
to United Unknown and you love him.
34:08
Yeah. Just cuz he had an idiotic
34:11
quote. You know, he had a great
34:12
interview. That's all I took an interview.
34:15
Yeah, but he said nine, he said 9.5.
34:17
I like the vibe. And does the vibe guy?
34:21
Does the vibe guy? Hoyland came in.
34:23
Hoyland came in and they were saying oh look, the next
34:25
Holland. As soon as they sit down I was
34:27
like get the fuck out trash, get the fuck out of you.
34:29
Hoyland doesn't interview and he's like, you know, that's a
34:31
right now I'm a -9 well, that like, makes you like it more
34:35
you. Know what?
34:36
You know what? You know, what I really hate
34:39
about this is that I actually like the moralist Enzo the more
34:42
like God, he's I don't. It makes no sense, but he's
34:44
probably going to be pretty good.
34:47
Like you're so obnoxious about it.
34:48
I'm like, actually, fuck. OK, we'll.
34:51
See, yeah, he gets his chance the first few games and if if he
34:55
isn't that good then you just hold off and trade him to a main
34:57
knife and. I could see him doing well just
35:02
in the absence of Hoyland. I think it gets complicated when
35:04
Hoyland shows up because like Bruno, well, it's because, you
35:08
know, like you were just saying he's not a nine and he's not
35:10
A10. Like Bruno's in the tent.
35:13
Yeah, Bruno's behind the striker at United that is locked in.
35:17
So it's not like it's like. I don't think it's ever going to
35:20
be like Hoyland, Xerxy, unless Xerxy is playing out wide, which
35:24
I've heard that he is capable of doing.
35:26
He can play out wide a little bit.
35:27
So unless there's some weird line up like that, like I just
35:31
don't, I think it's I think you're just you're in a rotation
35:34
battle. But getting him the 10th round,
35:36
like why not? I mean, like, sure, I could see
35:38
it. It's it's worth like this risk.
35:40
There's some upside there for sure, especially because Hoyland
35:43
potentially is injury prone. All right, on to mine.
35:46
Yeah. So I, I picked one and then
35:48
like, I think you guys were kind of not giving me shit, but like
35:51
maybe I was just feeling like you guys were like judging me
35:54
for picking it. So then I picked another one.
35:55
So the one I picked was Christopher and Kunku, who I've
35:58
been in in back drafts I've been reaching for in the third round
36:01
and he's his ADP is more like 46 or something like that.
36:05
That's it's a big reach, Keith. It's not like it's one round
36:08
here. You're going 2 rounds.
36:09
Actually like a round and 1/2. I, I just, I think that he is
36:15
like when I watch him play and I'm like, yeah, I'm a Chelsea
36:17
fan, but but I just, I watch him play and I'm like, he is
36:21
literally like a like a step above everyone else on the
36:24
field. And he's not even like he's
36:26
still kind of getting back from his injuries and still getting
36:29
to the groove. And I think that he's going to
36:30
be so dirty when he kind of gets fully healthy and gets figured
36:35
out. But that's not who my guy is.
36:36
So don't even criticize him. Let's move on.
36:38
My actual one is. That's already already.
36:42
The actual one is Oscar Bob from Man City.
36:46
Bob with two BS. Bob with two BS So Oscar Bob is
36:53
a young city player who last year started getting some
36:56
playing time midway through the season midway to late way
36:59
through the season and actually contributed and had some really
37:01
good moments at games with Julian Alvarez leaving picking
37:04
up Oscar Bob with the potential that he's not going to start
37:07
every game, but the games he starts, I think he's going to do
37:11
pretty well. And I think like we're talking
37:12
like a points per start guy could end up being pretty high
37:15
and it might only be 20 starts, but if like right now it's ADP
37:18
is is 159.67. So that's that's 16th round.
37:22
That's the last round of the draft level player.
37:25
So if you're getting him, if you can get him in the like the 14th
37:28
round and potentially he could be a guy that's just putting in
37:32
really solid numbers. That's not going to start every
37:34
week. But when he does start, you're
37:35
like, oh sweet, I can drop this in and it's like way better than
37:38
like a a random scrub off the bench, you know?
37:42
So I'm excited about him. I I liked him, I like him, but
37:45
he's a Man City player so it's the same problem we always see.
37:48
How many minutes is he going to get?
37:49
Like I think he scored a good goal from an assist from KDBI.
37:52
Think he set up a goal also to Holland last season.
37:56
But those are few and far between.
37:59
But getting him in the 14th, but I think you'll find getting him
38:01
in the 16th. But I think he's a good player.
38:02
If he went, if he went to West Ham or somewhere, he'd be like
38:06
an all out star I feel. But that's the the game you play
38:10
with Man C. It's also it's the first names.
38:14
I it's, it is a weird thing. Like I just immediately just
38:17
miss him with a name like Oscar Bob.
38:18
Well wait wait, his last name? Is it a first name because it's
38:21
got 2B's? It's BOBB, so it makes it a
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last. Name.
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So it's like a, it's like a, it's like a piece of fishing
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equipment. Bob.
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Bob do the Bob, Bob. Bob Oh, OK.
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So that concludes our section on the reach on reaches.
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Can I throw in another name in the hat?
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No. Throw another name in the.
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Hat you got me this shit. I did it.
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I did it. You did it.
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I think Keith, this is one of our guys, Rodrigo Muniz.
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Oh yeah, but full of player. Yeah, so last year when he got
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the starts, he had like what was like 3-4 games where he was
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putting up like 20 plus points. I think it was more than 3/4.
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I think he like he had a consistent run where it was like
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like almost 10 games where he was scoring double digits, I'm
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pretty sure. Yes, that's.
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Not maybe not goals, but like, I think maybe three or four of
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those games were like out of this world.
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But but he was like doing really well for a while.
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Yeah. And and what?
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And what Tico? The striker, who was that guy?
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Yeah. Oh, you met Raul Jimenez?
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Yeah. Who he who he loved.
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Who he loved is. He no longer RIP.
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Yeah, no, he's still. He's still.
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He's still there. He's just.
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No, he's still. There.
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Yeah, you guys should pick him up again.
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He was hot for a minute. We picked him up when he was hot
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and he got injured and then when he's came in, it's true.
39:44
Wait, he scored four goals? How many goals?
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Like four games and then he got injured.
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So we caught, we caught it, we caught it, we caught it at game
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two. So we got three good games in.
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I wish I could remember who you dropped and then you picked it
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back up again. Oh, the amount of times I did
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that. Yeah, me too.
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Call Palmer. He.
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Was just looking blank. He's like, he's never done that
40:08
before. I was going to say he probably
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dropped the City defender. That too.
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I dropped the fucking CB fielder and I was like, what are you
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doing? Later on, Yeah.
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What did you do that? OK, OK.
40:20
This is an episode 50 of Draft Off Sides.
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I'm with Tikka Enzo. My name is Keith.
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give us five stars deuces later. Keith, did you know Alex E Wolby
40:46
has a alter ego as a rapper? No, but I'm suddenly way more
40:51
into him. That's exactly.
40:55
I went on ESPNFC and I saw that was like the front page headline
40:58
and I was like, wait a minute. Did you guys know that Ken
41:01
Dempsey is a rapper? Yeah, but that that's like, he's
41:04
like Southern rap. It's kind of weird.
41:06
Alex Moby's like British rap. It could be cool.
41:09
It's. Cool, it's alter you go 17.
41:13
That's a little weird. God, all right, guys, it's.
41:15
One of these mad raps go studio sessions of upcoming album.
41:19
Fuck sake. Well, did you see Do you see
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Deli Ali's comeback video? Where is he coming back to like?
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China Evan? No.
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Is he really? Yeah.
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He's still with Evan. He's 20.
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Inches old. Hey, how high were you on Dalia
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Ali? At the peak of Dalia Ali.
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Was, you know, have you seen those things where they say that
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he actually had better stats than Bellingham at his age?
41:42
Those comparisons are the dumbest comparisons there.
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That's what I fucking said because you got to see what the
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where he's at. Like he was at Tottenham.
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Don't get wrong, we're at, we're at Daffy now.
41:51
Was at our peak where told him was actually pretty strong.
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He's been at doorman, one of the best teams in Germany.
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Then he went to Real Madrid. He's doing big, big things in
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England also, like scoring very key goals.
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I think it's very different position.
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But you know, I was very high on Delhi.
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I loved him. I think Delhi, just a case in
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point of how much more goes into being a great player than just
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your ability. You know what I mean?
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Like circumstances, your own mental stuff, like there's just
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so many other factors at play that like like like he well,
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how's it made him great? Jose made him horrible.
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How lazy? It was probably lazy.
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He were in himself. So I think there's also a thing
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where. Reality is not one of those
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players. I think there's a thing where
42:43
it's certain players, certain players who who when they're
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young can get away with not working really hard because they
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have so much skill like an Eden Hazard.
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And then when they get to a certain age and they're no
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longer, they're no longer able just like physically just be
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there and they have to work for it.
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They drop off really quickly. And I think Dali Ali could be a
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player like that. I haven't done enough research,
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but I know, I know Eden Hazard is a player like that.
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Thank you.