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The Week That Was - 26th August 2022 · 360 with Katie Woolf

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Speaker 1: It is time for the week that was and joining
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Speaker 1: me in the studio this morning. I have got Josh Burgoyne,
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Speaker 1: who is indeed the Member for Brakling and also the
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Speaker 1: opposition spokesperson for Territory Families, Essential Services and a few
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Speaker 1: other things.
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Speaker 2: How are you, good morning, Katie. Good to be back
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Speaker 2: up here again.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, great to have you in the studio.
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Speaker 1: And then we've got well our rural representative, the Independent
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Speaker 1: Member for for gord Kesiopuric.
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Speaker 3: Good morning to.
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Speaker 4: You, morning Caddy, morning bush people.
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Speaker 1: And then representing the Northern suburbs, we have got Nari
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Speaker 1: Kis who.
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Speaker 3: Is indeed her don't let her get started, Nari, she is.
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Speaker 1: Indeed the Minister for International Education, Minister for Multicultural Affairs
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Speaker 1: and various other portfolios as well.
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Speaker 3: First time on the week that was. Good to have
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Speaker 3: you in here, Thanks for having me, Kate, lovely to
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Speaker 3: have you on the show.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 3: There is honestly so much to discuss this morning.
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Speaker 1: It's been a massive week in so many ways, and
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Speaker 1: breaking news over the course of yesterday and over nine
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Speaker 1: is that two Northern Territory Police officers have been charged
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Speaker 1: and another arrested over a range of offenses including one
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Speaker 1: facing allegations of perverting the course of justice. Two of
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Speaker 1: the men, a forty seven year old at a forty
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Speaker 1: six year old, are now under investigation by Crime Command.
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Speaker 1: That's what Northern Territory Police have said in a statement.
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Speaker 1: The forty seven year old man was arrested yesterday morning.
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Speaker 1: Now Northern Territory Police said that he was expected to
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Speaker 1: be charged with unlawfully accessing data, disclosing confidential information, conspiracy
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Speaker 1: to pervert the course of justice and a number of
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Speaker 1: other crimes. He does remain in custody and it's understood
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Speaker 1: Northern Territory Police will provide more information on this today.
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Speaker 1: The forty six year old is going to face the
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Speaker 1: Darwin Local Court next Wednesday after being charged with obtaining
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Speaker 1: benefit by deception. Now I know that there have been
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Speaker 1: some reports naming at least one of those offices. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to go down that path because I don't
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Speaker 1: want to get myself in trouble legally, but we know
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Speaker 1: that they're does seem to be some serious issues at
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Speaker 1: the moment when it comes to the Northern Territory Police
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Speaker 1: Force structure.
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Speaker 4: I've said this before on this show, Katie.
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Speaker 5: I see and I hear that there are some serious
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Speaker 5: structural problems within NT Police and by that I mean
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Speaker 5: management structures, operationally structural issues. And the kind of charges
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Speaker 5: that have been leveled at these fellows tells me that
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Speaker 5: perhaps they were trying to Perhaps I shouldn't say, I
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Speaker 5: don't know. I just think they were trying to do
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Speaker 5: something that was good.
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Speaker 2: Maybe it's important to know these are all alleged defenses.
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Speaker 2: I think the noise is really, you know, gathering. The
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Speaker 2: CLP and the Northern Territory Police Association have been calling
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Speaker 2: for an inquiry and Katie, I mean with this latest
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Speaker 2: revelations again, these are all alleged defenses. It's going to
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Speaker 2: be extraordinarily difficult for the Labor government this week to
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Speaker 2: knock back a Select committee when it comes to an
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Speaker 2: inquiry into the Northern Territory Police Force. Something something right
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Speaker 2: there and we need to have a further look into
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Speaker 2: it might just take you.
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Speaker 1: Across very quickly to have a bit of a Listen
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Speaker 1: to what Paul mceue, the president of the Police Association,
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Speaker 1: told us on the show on Monday this week, Bearing
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Speaker 1: in mind that Thursday and Friday last week, of course,
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Speaker 1: we did have the annual conference, and that followed on
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Speaker 1: from the survey results which had been released a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. Now, if you missed what Paul mceue
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Speaker 1: had to say on the show, take a listen Paul, specifically,
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Speaker 1: from you, what do you what do the members think
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Speaker 1: needs to change here?
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Speaker 6: First and foremost, I need a government that's willing to
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Speaker 6: back them with a decent amount of investment into the
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Speaker 6: actual reasons why people are leaving. So there needs to
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Speaker 6: be that review first and foremost. Secondly, there needs to
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Speaker 6: be an admission that things aren't right. There needs to
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Speaker 6: be an actual admission that things are not right, and
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Speaker 6: we want to look very very closely at why. And
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Speaker 6: then thirdly, of course we've got a very competitive market.
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Speaker 6: You're not going to offer a decent pay deal to
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Speaker 6: stay here in the northern terriat. You're not going to
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Speaker 6: offer the actual incentive to make sure you want to
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Speaker 6: come to work every day, and that is support, and
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Speaker 6: that's numbers which all reflect on morale and safety. Then
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Speaker 6: we're in a wild of pay. But those were they're
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Speaker 6: the things that need to change.
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Speaker 1: So that was the Police Association President Paul mcew on
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Speaker 1: the show on Monday, Josh, going back to what you
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Speaker 1: just pointed out Leaf and Okiara obviously then joined us
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday as well and said exactly what you just
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Speaker 1: have that the opposition is next week in Parliament going
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Speaker 1: to be calling for that Parliamentary committity.
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Speaker 2: So it's so important in this process. And Paul mcew
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Speaker 2: is just touched on a really important point to first
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Speaker 2: you have to first acknowledge there's a problem before you
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Speaker 2: you can sort that issue out. Right now, we have
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Speaker 2: a labor government've got their heads buried in the sand.
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Speaker 2: They do. They're completely saying nothing to see here, We
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Speaker 2: do not need an inquiry. We need to admit here
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Speaker 2: that there is a problem we need to look into.
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Speaker 2: There needs to be an inquiry, and that's why we're
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Speaker 2: going to be pushing for this next week in parliament.
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Speaker 5: They can't, Katie, they can't continue to ignore the calls
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Speaker 5: for a review an inquiry, whichever way you want to.
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Speaker 5: You know, I'd probably even go so fast to say
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Speaker 5: it should be an inquiry under the inquiries at as
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Speaker 5: was Stella Marius and inquiry.
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Speaker 4: But the government can't keep dismissing.
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Speaker 5: The calls for an inquiry, a review, an in debt
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Speaker 5: sort of discussion about what is actually happening within our
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Speaker 5: police force structure.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that the point.
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Speaker 4: Here anything that's well.
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Speaker 1: That's exactly right, and it's not us sort of you know,
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Speaker 1: standing from the outside obviously, we are standing from the
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Speaker 1: outside saying that, but you've actually got the Northern Territory
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Speaker 1: Police saying that as in you know, their members saying that. Now,
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Speaker 1: not only Paul mckue, the president, but also throughout that survey. Nai,
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Speaker 1: you know, what is what is the government's plan here?
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Speaker 1: Because there's been so much discussion this week and we've
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Speaker 1: not heard from the Police Minister with a plan, We've
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Speaker 1: not heard from the Chief Minister with a plan. What
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Speaker 1: is the situation from the government's perspective.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, Katie. So Kate Warden did pick up
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Speaker 7: the portfolio a couple of months ago and it was
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Speaker 7: a really good way of bringing together Territory families as
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Speaker 7: well as Youth Justice and Northern Territory Police. We know
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Speaker 7: that there are a number of concerns and a number
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Speaker 7: of issues. We've heard that loud and clearly, and you know,
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Speaker 7: we take on board the membership of the Police union
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Speaker 7: and Paul MCEUW and all of the advocacy that they do.
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Speaker 7: We understand the incredible work that anti police do in
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Speaker 7: our communities to keep us safe and to keep us secure,
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Speaker 7: and we know that there are a number of things
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Speaker 7: that are on foot to tackle what we need in
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Speaker 7: our communities. But there's also the way forward when it
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Speaker 7: comes to the calls for an inquiry. We don't need
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Speaker 7: an inquiry to tell us that something is not working
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Speaker 7: the way that it was intended to think.
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Speaker 3: We need to work out the best path forward because
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Speaker 3: that's where we're at at the moment.
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Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be a stepping up of the
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Speaker 1: leadership from anybody at the moment to say this is
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Speaker 1: what we're going to do. And you know, it may
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Speaker 1: well be that the government feels as though they've got
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Speaker 1: a clear plan in place, and it may well be
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Speaker 1: that the Police Commissioner has a very clear plan in place,
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Speaker 1: but is that being communicated far and wide. And it's
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Speaker 1: not just you know, a situation where the police are
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Speaker 1: now concerned. You've got a community that's you know, the
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Speaker 1: whole community is really concerned, not only about the police
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Speaker 1: force and a lack of morale within the force, but
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Speaker 1: they're also really concerned about the crime that we're experiencing.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, and I think you hit the nail on the
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Speaker 7: head there, Katie. A lot of this comes down to communication.
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Speaker 7: So as you understand, a lot of work is being
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Speaker 7: done by Minister Warden in her portfolio responsibilities to talk
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Speaker 7: to the Police Commissioner, to talk to the police union,
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Speaker 7: to talk between the CEOs. It's really great that she
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Speaker 7: has the oversight as a portfolio Minister for both to
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Speaker 7: figure out where we are, where we need to be
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Speaker 7: and how best to get there. But this is something
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Speaker 7: that can't be done in a silo. This has got
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Speaker 7: to take in the community concerns, which is what we're doing.
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Speaker 7: This is having the conversations right across the Northern Territory government,
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Speaker 7: across every agency, across every community, tying that in together
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Speaker 7: to come up with that plan and the way forward.
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Speaker 7: And you're right, it's making sure that that is communicated
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Speaker 7: clearly to territories about how we're working to keep them.
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Speaker 1: Say, I can't see the harm in there being a
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Speaker 1: parliamentary inquiry.
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Speaker 5: Parliamentary inquiry and the government, which includes Nayri, should know this.
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Speaker 5: When you point a select committee or it's even another
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Speaker 5: kind of parliamentary committee. It's got different members from different
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Speaker 5: parties on it, you know, and plus independence, and the
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Speaker 5: committee does the work.
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Speaker 4: It's not government.
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Speaker 5: The committee will come up with the report and recommendations.
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Speaker 5: Ultimately it's up to the government of the day whether
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Speaker 5: they choose to accept that report and the recommendations or
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Speaker 5: past the committee to go back and do further work.
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Speaker 5: So it's not a scary beast. It's actually exceptionally useful
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Speaker 5: tool parliamentary inquiries. People think, oh, you know, there must
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Speaker 5: be they must be they're going to find out all
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Speaker 5: these things. Well, yes, they may find out all those things,
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Speaker 5: but it has the protection of parliamentary privilege. You can
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Speaker 5: go in camera, you have closed meetings.
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Speaker 4: It's not as.
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Speaker 5: If all this sort of rubbish is going to get
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Speaker 5: on the table and all this terrible stuff.
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Speaker 4: There actually will be some very positive.
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Speaker 5: Things that can come out of it and learning experiences,
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Speaker 5: whether it be from empty or drawing from interstate from
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Speaker 5: somewhere else who have gone sadly.
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Speaker 4: Through what the Northern terretory is going through at the moment.
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Speaker 4: So it is not a boogie man.
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Speaker 5: It's actually a very positive finger Select committee and I
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Speaker 5: don't understand why this government can't see it, get.
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Speaker 4: It through their thick skulls. It is a positive thing
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Speaker 4: to do.
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Speaker 2: The Northern Territory Police Force is one of our oldest
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Speaker 2: and proudest organizations here in the Northern Territory and it's
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Speaker 2: important right now that we all acknowledge the last couple
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Speaker 2: of years have been incredibly tough. There have been police
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Speaker 2: officers leaving in drives. We've now seen a whole range
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Speaker 2: of issues that need to be looked into so that
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Speaker 2: going for we can have the strongest Northern Territory Police
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Speaker 2: Force possible going forward.
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Speaker 3: And the thing that I.
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Speaker 1: Sort of can't wrap my head around, and I know
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Speaker 1: that I said this on the show last week, I've
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Speaker 1: said it a few times, is that you know, the
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Speaker 1: government is really asking the community and the police force
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Speaker 1: to trust them. I think is ultimately, you know, what
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Speaker 1: they're saying is we have confidence in the Northern Territory Commissioner.
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Speaker 1: We are hearing what you're saying, and we've got you know,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be moving forward and we're going to
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Speaker 1: be making changes. But ultimately, you know, the big question
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Speaker 1: that's being asked is how when it doesn't sound like
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Speaker 1: anything is actually is actually changing.
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Speaker 2: When we look at those survey results, Katie, they were damning,
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Speaker 2: damning figures would shown a huge amount of police I
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Speaker 2: think it was the second largest server that had ever
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Speaker 2: been undertaken as far as members actually responding to that
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Speaker 2: server when almost I think it was seventy nine percent
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Speaker 2: show that they didn't have faith in the commissioner. You know,
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Speaker 2: serious questions have to be asked. Why is that? Why
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Speaker 2: is it that so many police officers on the ground
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Speaker 2: don't feel like the head, the head of the police
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Speaker 2: force as CEO. Essentially they don't have confidence in These
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Speaker 2: are serious questions that need to be asked, and that's
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Speaker 2: whine inquiry is so important at this point in time.
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Speaker 1: Well, we might take a very short break. Actually before
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Speaker 1: we do, Nari, we are we going to see a
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Speaker 1: situation here again where the government does you know, the
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Speaker 1: colp or the opposition puts this motion ford in Parliament
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Speaker 1: next week and it is once again knocked back.
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Speaker 7: I couldn't answer that for you, Katie, but the government
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Speaker 7: is always looking at ways where we can serve territorians better.
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Speaker 7: We're open to all ideas and suggestions. We will absolutely
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Speaker 7: take a look at that and make the best decision
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Speaker 7: that we believe SATs territorians.
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Speaker 1: All right, we'll take a really short break. You are
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Speaker 1: listening to Mix one oh four nine. It is three
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Speaker 1: point sixty and you are listening to the week that was.
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Speaker 1: If you have just joined us, we've got Josh Bergo
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Speaker 1: and Kizi Apuric and Naria kit. Now we know that
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Speaker 1: the biggest issue that we've covered off on this week
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Speaker 1: on the show, by far and beyond in terms of
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Speaker 1: what listeners have been calling us about, has certainly been
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Speaker 1: the issues of crime and anti social behavior. Now it
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Speaker 1: kicked off, I think you'd have to say after the
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Speaker 1: weekend on Monday. On Sunday night, I'd received an email
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Speaker 1: from the aunt of the young boy, the thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old boy who had allegedly been assaulted at the hands
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Speaker 1: of some very young people ten and eleven year olds
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Speaker 1: at the Casuarina bus exchange. Now, I then spoke to
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Speaker 1: his grandmother on air a little bit earlier in the
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Speaker 1: week and heard really the impact that that assault is
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Speaker 1: going to have on this young man and the devastating
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Speaker 1: impact that it's having. As I mentioned, he is autistic,
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Speaker 1: and you know him being at that out or at
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Speaker 1: that shop, you know, or at that sort of outing
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Speaker 1: was something that he had not really done before. I
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Speaker 1: think it's safe to say that his family is absolutely
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Speaker 1: devastated by what's gone on. But the really shocking part
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Speaker 1: for me yesterday was then catching up with Assistant Commissioner
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Speaker 1: Travis Wurst, and he had said on the show that
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Speaker 1: these young kids allegedly had those bats in their bags,
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Speaker 1: they had masks, they had gone out, you know, to Casarina. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And there was also absolutely shocking vision that emerged on
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Speaker 1: social media allegedly one of those young people stomping on
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Speaker 1: the head of an Indigenous man who was asleep outside
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Speaker 1: the Moyal shops. I believe it was, And I got
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Speaker 1: to tell you, it made me feel sick to the guts.
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Speaker 1: It actually like it made me feel quite emotional seeing it,
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Speaker 1: thinking that a kid of that age could do something
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Speaker 1: like that to an elderly gentleman. I don't even know
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Speaker 1: what to say, Like, I'm lost for words. It's pretty
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Speaker 1: devastating to see.
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Speaker 2: We're losing a generation here, Katie. This is really what
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Speaker 2: it comes down to. And in my hometown of Ellae Springs,
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Speaker 2: we've seen this for a long time when we talk
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Speaker 2: about bus stops, I'm not that old. I remember getting
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Speaker 2: off and getting back on the bus stop in Alice Springs,
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Speaker 2: and over the last ten years that's actually been moved
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Speaker 2: now to a secure location where busses drive in the
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Speaker 2: gate closers. There's security there and kids literally get on
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Speaker 2: and off the bus straight away. And in Alice Springs
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Speaker 2: the other day there was an incident.
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Speaker 3: So no one can get in obviously exactly.
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Speaker 2: Right, no one from outside can get in. Now. I'm
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Speaker 2: not sure what's happened here at Casurina and with the
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Speaker 2: bus and a changing this young autistic kid, but it
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Speaker 2: clearly just goes to show that what is occurring at
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Speaker 2: the moment isn't working. And this is what I spoke
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Speaker 2: about recently Ella Springs. What organizations are we investing in
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Speaker 2: that are supposedly helping these young people, because whatever we're
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Speaker 2: doing isn't working. We need to acknowledge that, and right now,
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Speaker 2: just to hear that, like U c K, I saw
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Speaker 2: that footage. I don't know whether it was a few
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Speaker 2: days ago or a day ago, that young child stomping
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Speaker 2: on the head of an adult. And I don't care
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Speaker 2: what your background is. It was just shocking vision to
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Speaker 2: see one human doing something to another human being. And
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Speaker 2: we really need to ask what situation is that young
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Speaker 2: person in where they think that's okay, because it's not okay.
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Speaker 2: And as a society, we need to say that when
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Speaker 2: you speak up very loudly and clearly and say these
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Speaker 2: sorts of events that are occurring where this is the
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Speaker 2: first I've heard of young kids going out with baseball
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Speaker 2: bats to cause harm. I mean, it is deeply concerning.
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Speaker 1: And then you were telling us as well that Inalyice
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Speaker 1: that there was a situation then with something that had unfolded.
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Speaker 3: With a knife.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely so, just the other day, families were informed that
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Speaker 2: there had been an incident at the bus stop. The
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Speaker 2: buses were being held in until police arrived, so they
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Speaker 2: were being held in that locked and gated area. And
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Speaker 2: this may mean that your child is later arriving home.
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Speaker 2: I've speaking to some parents have said their kids, who
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Speaker 2: usually get home at about ten to four, didn't get
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Speaker 2: home till five o'clock. And I was also sent a
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Speaker 2: picture of a knife that allegedly was used in that incident.
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Speaker 2: And again, when we talk about baseball bats, when we
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Speaker 2: talk about knives, this is serious. These are severe incidents
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Speaker 2: and the fact that these the occurrence of this is increasing,
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Speaker 2: should be a deep concern to everyone in the community. Day.
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Speaker 3: Did that happen that incident in now?
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Speaker 2: I believe that happened this week, Katie. So it's just
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Speaker 2: happened this week and again it's very yeah, two days ago,
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Speaker 2: I believe, so on about Wednesday afternoon.
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Speaker 4: So Katie.
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Speaker 5: The other thing is that you know, obviously can buy
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Speaker 5: a baseball back wherever. Knives could be a little bit
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Speaker 5: more tricky to procure if you're a ten and eleven
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Speaker 5: year old, but they get them from somewhere. But there's
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Speaker 5: this proliferation and it's getting worse off stolen and stealing cars.
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Speaker 5: Now you can't hot while them like used to in
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Speaker 5: the golden days, but they still get access to these cars.
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Speaker 4: And we saw it only this week.
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Speaker 5: Where a magnificent blue toileter Land Cruiser was stolen from
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Speaker 5: somewhere from.
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Speaker 3: The airport airport car park and.
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Speaker 5: I'll come back to the airport car park and went
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Speaker 5: down to Nounma and drove into the shop shops separate
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Speaker 5: to the pop area, cause enormous amount of damage to
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Speaker 5: the shop and the fellow who owns that complex or
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Speaker 5: that shop. I said he had to stay there all
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Speaker 5: night because he couldn't he couldn't temporarily lock it. And
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Speaker 5: all that took was some lollies and body smokes and
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Speaker 5: whatever else.
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Speaker 4: So we're getting this creep.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's a creep or it's just
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Speaker 5: a Floodgates are opening of this kind of behavior coming
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Speaker 5: down into the rural area, you know, coming to the
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Speaker 5: shopping centers, the cooling, the central on that side, wool
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Speaker 5: is on this side, that side that I'm on the run.
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Speaker 5: They're increasing their they're not surveillance, but they've had to
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Speaker 5: move people on and get trespassed notices out because they've
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Speaker 5: been creating problems at the shopping center being aggressive. No
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Speaker 5: particular race ever been fellows, but that's Nosten and NoDEA
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Speaker 5: here or there. But it's just this, it's it's escalating.
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Speaker 5: And I've said this before, it's escalating. We're seeing an
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Speaker 5: escalation of the violence, and we're seeing weapons of choice
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Speaker 5: being bats and knives, and it keeps getting report of
17:24
Speaker 5: sharp edged weapons or what does that mean. It just
17:25
Speaker 5: means it's a knife. I suppose it could be a tomahawk.
17:28
Speaker 3: Or something something else.
17:29
Speaker 4: It is is just amount of.
17:31
Speaker 5: Time before there is a serious injury on to a
17:34
Speaker 5: person apart from physical attacking people, you know with fist
17:37
Speaker 5: and whatever, that someone's actually going to die.
17:40
Speaker 1: That's exactly what the Assistant commissioner and.
17:44
Speaker 5: With those police, you know, his exasperation because they are
17:47
Speaker 5: being locked up.
17:48
Speaker 4: I also heard.
17:51
Speaker 5: The Missus Kosh or Missus Cosh and know that family
17:54
Speaker 5: and how she said that the repeat offenders, they're out
17:57
Speaker 5: on bail three times and by the time that they
17:59
Speaker 5: get to the court system, you know they've offended three
18:02
Speaker 5: or four times. You know, they've got the an clip bracelets.
18:03
Speaker 5: And I've been told a story where some kids, not
18:06
Speaker 5: not necessarily hum and Dale and I don't know where
18:08
Speaker 5: it was, they're putting old, big, chunky watches on their
18:11
Speaker 5: ankles because they want to look like they've also got
18:15
Speaker 5: it a place.
18:15
Speaker 3: And that's so really sad in itself.
18:17
Speaker 5: So that's telling us that it's a status symbol to
18:20
Speaker 5: have one of these tracking.
18:21
Speaker 3: Watches in any way.
18:23
Speaker 1: But the other thing that the Assistant Commissioner had told
18:27
Speaker 1: us on the show yesterday, and I tell it, there
18:28
Speaker 1: was a lot of people that were pretty I don't
18:31
Speaker 1: know what you know, what you could say. The response
18:33
Speaker 1: was they were frustrated and quite angry. He had said,
18:36
Speaker 1: you know, if you've got your car parked on the
18:38
Speaker 1: side of the road for an extended period of time,
18:40
Speaker 1: or if it's parked on the side of the road,
18:41
Speaker 1: or if it is in a car park for an
18:43
Speaker 1: extended period, to either disconnect the battery or to have
18:47
Speaker 1: an immobilizer, because both vehicles are these vehicles are being
18:51
Speaker 1: targeted and we have certainly seen that over recent weeks.
18:56
Speaker 3: It is a concern no matter how you look at it.
18:59
Speaker 5: That's a sad thing on our society that the police
19:02
Speaker 5: have to give that kind of advice to say, we
19:04
Speaker 5: can't help you at this point in time. So this
19:07
Speaker 5: is what I suggest you do to help yourself.
19:09
Speaker 4: Well, and that's.
19:10
Speaker 1: Pretty that's exactly right now. We also know that we
19:13
Speaker 1: had a situation.
19:14
Speaker 3: Throughout the week.
19:15
Speaker 1: There was a couple of different meetings that took place. Obviously,
19:17
Speaker 1: all the mayors of the Northern Territory met with the
19:19
Speaker 1: Chief Minister, the Police Minister and also the Police Commissioner
19:23
Speaker 1: to talk about these issues of crime and anti social behavior.
19:26
Speaker 3: There was also a public.
19:27
Speaker 1: Meeting in your electorate Nai, which I know you attended,
19:30
Speaker 1: as did you, Josh. You know, the electorate I think
19:34
Speaker 1: of Karama is at their wits end as well with
19:38
Speaker 1: some of the issues that you're seeing around the place.
19:40
Speaker 1: I mean, they'd even gone so fast even as to
19:43
Speaker 1: say they're not sure whether glass bottles whether it should
19:46
Speaker 1: you know, be a situation we can no longer purchase
19:48
Speaker 1: alcohol in glass bottles because there's so much glass around
19:51
Speaker 1: the the you know, the parks and stuff.
19:53
Speaker 7: That's right, And you know, I really take my hat
19:56
Speaker 7: off to Stephen Farrewell and the rest of the fifteen
20:00
Speaker 7: to twenty local community members in Malac and Karama who
20:04
Speaker 7: have brought the Karama and Malac Community Voice Group together
20:08
Speaker 7: because they are local residents Katie just like myself looking
20:11
Speaker 7: at those localized solutions and having attended that forum and
20:16
Speaker 7: supported the group from its inception just over eighteen months ago,
20:19
Speaker 7: to look at, you know, not leaving all of the
20:23
Speaker 7: hard work up to a few subsections and government in
20:26
Speaker 7: our community to turn what we need around, but finding
20:29
Speaker 7: a way where every single person can buy into that
20:31
Speaker 7: way forward and contribute. And it really was great for
20:34
Speaker 7: Josh Bergin to attend from start to finish and to
20:37
Speaker 7: listen to the concerns from my electorate, which I would
20:39
Speaker 7: hazard a guess to say, Josh, unlike the ones that
20:42
Speaker 7: you hear in yours. But what I took out of
20:44
Speaker 7: that group is there is about sixty five people all up,
20:47
Speaker 7: Katie and the majority were providing the solutions, the localized responses,
20:52
Speaker 7: letting us know as government and non not for profit
20:56
Speaker 7: service providers in the area, what works and what isn't working.
21:00
Speaker 7: And that was a really good reality check. It was
21:02
Speaker 7: really great to have Lee and Kate and the CEO
21:04
Speaker 7: of Yearly Housing as the facilitator, Michael Rodamo, the CEO
21:09
Speaker 7: of Larochie a Nation talking about day and night patrols,
21:12
Speaker 7: funding return to country. And what's very clear and evident
21:15
Speaker 7: Katie is you know, any crime anywhere, for any territory
21:19
Speaker 7: and is absolutely not acceptable. And when I heard about
21:22
Speaker 7: that young fellow at Casharina, that really break my heart.
21:25
Speaker 7: That is not fair and it should never happen to anyone.
21:28
Speaker 7: There needs to be those consequences in place, but we
21:32
Speaker 7: need to make sure that those consequences are going to
21:35
Speaker 7: support or work for the entire community. Locking a child
21:39
Speaker 7: up without understanding what drove them to that, and Josh
21:41
Speaker 7: said that quite clearly, we need to understand what leads
21:44
Speaker 7: people to their behavior and make sure we're tackling that appropriately.
21:48
Speaker 3: But at the moment it doesn't seem like we are.
21:50
Speaker 1: Like. This is where I think the whole system is
21:52
Speaker 1: a bit broken. Is that you know, we've then got
21:54
Speaker 1: reports obviously with you know, out of dawn Dale, the
21:57
Speaker 1: Northern Territory Bar Association's form of President, John Lawrence, saying
22:01
Speaker 1: that the allegations that young Aboriginal children are being mistreated
22:04
Speaker 1: or neglected are not new, but what is new is
22:08
Speaker 1: how it shows the gross breaches in the laws. So
22:11
Speaker 1: there are calls for the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi to
22:13
Speaker 1: intervene and shut down don Dale Detention Center after allegations
22:17
Speaker 1: that independent observers are not showing up as regularly as
22:21
Speaker 1: planned and claims that blood's been smeared across cells and
22:25
Speaker 1: left for several hours. Now, you know, I think the
22:29
Speaker 1: thing that this report made me think when I heard
22:32
Speaker 1: it on the ABC and then saw it covered you know,
22:34
Speaker 1: across the board, is that if we're not like, if
22:37
Speaker 1: we're not getting it right when these young people then
22:40
Speaker 1: go into don Dale, how are we expecting to ever
22:43
Speaker 1: get this issue any better?
22:45
Speaker 3: Like, you don't go into don Dale for fun?
22:47
Speaker 1: Well, no, that's the thing, but you're not, Like, you've
22:49
Speaker 1: got to be in a pretty serious situation to be
22:52
Speaker 1: sent to don Dale. Like, let's be honest, into the line,
22:54
Speaker 1: it's that's exactly right, it's it's very often the last
22:57
Speaker 1: possible option. So then when they go in there, if
23:01
Speaker 1: there are not programs and not ways that we're rehabilitating
23:04
Speaker 1: young people so they come out better humans rather than
23:07
Speaker 1: better offenders, how can we expect that this situation is
23:11
Speaker 1: ever going to get better? But how can we leave
23:13
Speaker 1: Territorians just hanging at this point where you know, somebody
23:17
Speaker 1: gets belted by young kids, you get your head stomped on,
23:21
Speaker 1: and what happens?
23:22
Speaker 3: This is a consequence.
23:23
Speaker 2: This is exactly the thing Katie and our labor listing,
23:26
Speaker 2: and this is a thing thri you talk about that
23:28
Speaker 2: group at Malac. One of the things I heard loud
23:30
Speaker 2: and clear was they wanted a reintroduction of the two
23:32
Speaker 2: kilometer law. So a labour now going to bring that
23:35
Speaker 2: back after listening to the community and their frustrations that
23:38
Speaker 2: people are drinking in their local parks, and police feel
23:40
Speaker 2: like there's very little they can do.
23:42
Speaker 7: So the two kilometer law still exists. There are police
23:44
Speaker 7: powers for them to be able to tip out alcohol.
23:48
Speaker 7: What we're looking at, Josh, though, is not just to
23:50
Speaker 7: throw everybody in jail for drinking in the public parks.
23:53
Speaker 7: It is trying to support people who are often vulnerable
23:57
Speaker 7: and turning to those substances at dangerous degrees and making
24:01
Speaker 7: sure that we can support them to get away from
24:03
Speaker 7: that lifestyle.
24:03
Speaker 3: I'm so confused by this.
24:05
Speaker 1: The two kilometer rules still in place, because if it is,
24:07
Speaker 1: why people still drinking in.
24:09
Speaker 2: Public, Because it's no longer an offense, so police can
24:12
Speaker 2: literally and this was something that the police that were
24:14
Speaker 2: at the meeting spoke about. You can go someone's drinking
24:17
Speaker 2: a can of beer, tip that out. They then go
24:19
Speaker 2: over to their motive vehicle once the police have left,
24:21
Speaker 2: and grab another can out of their car and continue drinking.
24:24
Speaker 2: So it's no longer an offense to drink in public,
24:27
Speaker 2: so police can go tip out that can leave they've
24:31
Speaker 2: done their job, but if it was an offense, they
24:33
Speaker 2: can then go to that person. This is an offense
24:35
Speaker 2: for drinking in public. There would then be more powers
24:38
Speaker 2: provided to that police office to possibly search our vehicle. Currently,
24:42
Speaker 2: as it stands, there's very little powers that police have
24:44
Speaker 2: when they come across someone drinking in a park.
24:47
Speaker 7: So I've had those conversations as the local member and
24:50
Speaker 7: will continue to push for the review of that two
24:53
Speaker 7: kilometer law. So thanks for asking that, Josh. It's something
24:56
Speaker 7: that came through very clearly, not just in the Kurama electorate,
24:59
Speaker 7: and that's just an example of one of the localized
25:01
Speaker 7: solutions that the Community Voice Group by bringing to the forefront.
25:04
Speaker 1: Look, we're going to take a really short break. You
25:06
Speaker 1: are listening to Mix one O four nine's three sixty.
25:09
Speaker 1: There is a lot still to cover off this morning,
25:11
Speaker 1: including that by election that happened last weekend. As I said,
25:14
Speaker 1: there's been a lot to cover off on this week,
25:17
Speaker 1: but we kicked the week off, of course with the
25:19
Speaker 1: results from the by election. I think everybody knows that
25:22
Speaker 1: I love a good election, and love a good by
25:25
Speaker 1: election out exactly, love sports going on, who's got the
25:32
Speaker 1: most who can wave on the most corners.
25:35
Speaker 5: Wave on the most corners, who can get away the
25:37
Speaker 5: most sausages and pizzas on corner?
25:39
Speaker 1: Exactly? Well, and look, it was an incredibly interesting race.
25:43
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to say, we know that. The
25:45
Speaker 1: Chief Minister declared that the constituents of Fanny Bay have
25:48
Speaker 1: been heard. They want a government that backs them and
25:51
Speaker 1: only Labor can do that. Meanwhile, the opposition leader Leofanocchiaro
25:54
Speaker 1: declared the result a blow to Labor and a boost
25:57
Speaker 1: for the opposition, saying it's a good night for the
25:59
Speaker 1: COLP and it's a good night for Territorians who've clearly
26:02
Speaker 1: sent Labor a message strong.
26:05
Speaker 3: Well, and I think this is the.
26:06
Speaker 1: Big point that needs to be made, is that you know,
26:09
Speaker 1: no matter how how people want to spinish on first preferences,
26:13
Speaker 1: the Country Liberal Party has been Hosking did get ahead
26:16
Speaker 1: forty two.
26:17
Speaker 2: Three hundred and ninety one well.
26:20
Speaker 1: And then and then of course Labor, Yeah, primary votes
26:24
Speaker 1: one thy three hundred, I had ninety four?
26:26
Speaker 3: Is it ninety one?
26:27
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at the updated story. Yeah.
26:30
Speaker 1: And then the ALP, as I understand it, Oney eighty
26:33
Speaker 1: nine primary votes and the Greens six hundred and fifty.
26:37
Speaker 1: So certainly the Greens picked up a swing towards them
26:41
Speaker 1: as well, but there was a swing away from Labor
26:44
Speaker 1: no matter how you look at it, wasn't there.
26:46
Speaker 7: N Ari, Yeah, there was, And I'm, you know, really
26:49
Speaker 7: glad that Brent Potter is such a fantastic candidate for
26:54
Speaker 7: the Labor Party. He worked really strong out there to
26:57
Speaker 7: engage with local residents to let them know the path
27:00
Speaker 7: forward and the value were voting for him over any
27:04
Speaker 7: of the other candidates.
27:05
Speaker 5: Katie, it goes to show yet again, when you vote
27:09
Speaker 5: for the Greens, you're voting for labor. Now, if I
27:12
Speaker 5: was the Greens Party, I wouldn't take a lot of
27:14
Speaker 5: comfort from what they perceived to be a swing towards them.
27:18
Speaker 5: What I think has happened is I attended the teacher's
27:20
Speaker 5: rally at Parap because my to me, men and rules
27:23
Speaker 5: teachers were there, so was supporting them there, and the
27:25
Speaker 5: Greens fellow spoke at that rally. A lot of people
27:29
Speaker 5: who are labor supporters and labor voters probably couldn't bring
27:33
Speaker 5: themselves to vote for Labor given the issues with salaries
27:36
Speaker 5: and freezers and pays, etc. But they also can't bring
27:39
Speaker 5: themselves to vote for the COLP. So I'd say a
27:42
Speaker 5: fair swing of those previous labor voters voted for the Greens.
27:46
Speaker 5: Then they put Labor second come the next election, they
27:49
Speaker 5: will probably go back to their traditional voting pattern and
27:51
Speaker 5: whether that's enough to keep them in power, whether the
27:53
Speaker 5: CLP candidate or another cant comes up.
27:55
Speaker 4: But the bottom line is the majority.
27:58
Speaker 5: Of people in that electric didn't want the Greens were
28:01
Speaker 5: always going to mack up preferences, as I said last week,
28:03
Speaker 5: and it just goes to show Greens continued to side
28:06
Speaker 5: with Labor no matter you know what you say. And
28:09
Speaker 5: I think the Greens are the Colps come out with
28:11
Speaker 5: some fairly sound policies in regards to their environmental policies
28:15
Speaker 5: going forward, but the Greens fellow still couldn't acknowledge that
28:18
Speaker 5: some of their policies were good.
28:19
Speaker 4: So he's got into bed. That's the way it is.
28:22
Speaker 2: Watching this from Afar down in Allie Springs. I think
28:25
Speaker 2: the one thing that disappointed me was when you Labour
28:27
Speaker 2: see a fifteen percent swing against them, and listening to
28:31
Speaker 2: mister Potter on your radio station the other day, Katie
28:34
Speaker 2: basically say, oh, the reason for the lay voter to
28:36
Speaker 2: turn out was that people were happy. People were happy,
28:39
Speaker 2: so they didn't And Natasha file as a Chief minister,
28:42
Speaker 2: said the similar thing. I actually went out and knocked
28:45
Speaker 2: on a lot of those doors, and I tell you,
28:46
Speaker 2: people weren't happy. They were frustrated. They were saying, to me,
28:49
Speaker 2: this is twelve years of labor. We want to send
28:51
Speaker 2: them a message. And absolutely, you probably had labor voters
28:54
Speaker 2: that couldn't bring themselves to get out there and vote
28:57
Speaker 2: for their own party, so they just didn't vote at all.
28:59
Speaker 2: And that's the frustration. This is a message that was
29:02
Speaker 2: sent to the Labor Party loud and clear. I hope
29:04
Speaker 2: that they're listening.
29:05
Speaker 1: Yes, so do I because fundamentally, you know what like
29:08
Speaker 1: it's it's stuff that we talk about all the time,
29:10
Speaker 1: and it is you know, there are issues at the
29:12
Speaker 1: moment when it comes to the to the you know,
29:14
Speaker 1: safety within the community. There's issues when it comes to
29:18
Speaker 1: you know, those concerns that have been raised within the
29:20
Speaker 1: police force. They're just a couple that I can think
29:22
Speaker 1: of right now. But even cost of living, and we
29:25
Speaker 1: will talk in a moment about you know, about the
29:27
Speaker 1: public service pay frees and things like that. There are
29:30
Speaker 1: some really serious issues.
29:31
Speaker 3: At the moment.
29:32
Speaker 1: And and you know it is the job of our
29:34
Speaker 1: elected members, of all of you in the room, to
29:37
Speaker 1: listen to your constituents.
29:38
Speaker 3: That's why people vote.
29:40
Speaker 1: You know, you are our representatives that make those really
29:43
Speaker 1: important decisions for us. And and you know, you can
29:46
Speaker 1: never forget that responsibility that that people in the community
29:49
Speaker 1: right now, if they're saying we're hurting, you know we've
29:52
Speaker 1: we are, we are really hurting because of the crime
29:55
Speaker 1: that's going on. We you know, we can't handle being
29:58
Speaker 1: broken into we can't handle have to sort of to
30:00
Speaker 1: live with this day in and day out. It's it's
30:03
Speaker 1: your responsibility to listen.
30:04
Speaker 4: And I think, I mean, I'm sure we'll look.
30:06
Speaker 5: Candidates were listening and door knocking like crazy in those
30:08
Speaker 5: in that electorate. But the low voter turnout surprised me.
30:14
Speaker 5: That's on par with some of the Bush electorates who
30:17
Speaker 5: have low voter turnouts, but it was lower than day
30:20
Speaker 5: so to be in the suburbs of Fanny Bay, Ludmiller,
30:24
Speaker 5: the gardens and whatever else is in that electric it
30:26
Speaker 5: really surprised me. Do you know it wasn't difficult to
30:28
Speaker 5: vote to schools, but clearly some people just either couldn't
30:31
Speaker 5: be bothered, like Josh said, or look, I don't want
30:34
Speaker 5: to anything to do with this.
30:35
Speaker 1: Well, do you know, I can't tell you how many
30:38
Speaker 1: people I know that said to me, who should I
30:40
Speaker 1: vote for?
30:40
Speaker 3: Katie? And I said, I'm not going to tell you
30:42
Speaker 3: who to vote for.
30:42
Speaker 1: You've got to vote. You've got to choose that yourself.
30:44
Speaker 1: They said, I don't know who to vote for, because
30:47
Speaker 1: aside from the Greens candidate, the two major parties don't
30:50
Speaker 1: have local people running, and that was an issue for
30:53
Speaker 1: some of those people that live locally and saying you're.
30:55
Speaker 4: Going to buy a house in the electorate.
30:57
Speaker 5: I mean it's different sort of in the rule air.
31:00
Speaker 5: I'm not in my electorate, but I'm sort of next door.
31:02
Speaker 5: I live rural, and you know Gary Higgins wasn't in
31:04
Speaker 5: his elector he lived rural, for example, So it's a
31:07
Speaker 5: bit different.
31:08
Speaker 4: But some of the urban areas, like.
31:10
Speaker 5: There's some very distinct community issues in certain suburbs and
31:13
Speaker 5: sort of collectives. So I understand that that would be
31:16
Speaker 5: an issue for people, But that goes back to the
31:18
Speaker 5: parties when they pre select their candidates. Absolutely, you really
31:20
Speaker 5: want this person to be your candidate. Get the mood already,
31:23
Speaker 5: so that shows their commitment, and.
31:25
Speaker 7: That comes across quite clearly. I agree, he's you there.
31:28
Speaker 7: We're very protective in our backyard. Here of the territory
31:31
Speaker 7: and we want to know that, you know, the people
31:33
Speaker 7: that are going to represent us understand the issues first
31:36
Speaker 7: and foremost, and that's where I guess we all trust
31:38
Speaker 7: with our you know, our parties, particularly the pre selection process,
31:42
Speaker 7: making sure that we can identify and select the best
31:45
Speaker 7: candidate who would eventually, you know, I hope to represent
31:48
Speaker 7: the people of that area in the Northern Suburbs.
31:51
Speaker 4: It's not you know, it's.
31:53
Speaker 3: A bit different as well, but.
31:55
Speaker 7: We are kind of protective about the roads and who
31:58
Speaker 7: lives in one electorate. But at the end of the day,
32:00
Speaker 7: that's the rules. You just have to live in the
32:02
Speaker 7: territory to be Also.
32:06
Speaker 5: The issue that I think someone else has puted out
32:08
Speaker 5: beforehand might have been Leah, if that outcome was reflected
32:12
Speaker 5: the next general election, Labour's Gonsky and time.
32:15
Speaker 1: And look, I'm sure that there must be some reflection
32:18
Speaker 1: going on from within the Labor Party at the moment
32:21
Speaker 1: following on from that by election, because let's be honest
32:24
Speaker 1: as well. You know, Fanny Bay's a blue ribbon seat
32:26
Speaker 1: like ninety five since they've they've had that seat since
32:30
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, so you know, to that primary vote
32:33
Speaker 1: for that to go you know well and truly to
32:37
Speaker 1: the colp was I was quite surprised by the outcome.
32:41
Speaker 3: I've got to say we do over the weekend.
32:43
Speaker 7: For granted, Katie, and so making sure that we do
32:45
Speaker 7: that deep dive into what happened. You know why there
32:49
Speaker 7: wasn't a huge voter turnout, even though there was. I
32:52
Speaker 7: think there was a pretty low number of prepolling before
32:55
Speaker 7: the election day as well, And so looking at that,
32:58
Speaker 7: not taking any of those votes, for granted, working really
33:01
Speaker 7: hard to make the changes that need to happen, and
33:04
Speaker 7: supporting Brent who's hit the ground running as their local member.
33:06
Speaker 7: And funny Bay.
33:07
Speaker 4: Think of it from this point of view, Katie. Big
33:08
Speaker 4: windfall in fines thirty percent of people.
33:11
Speaker 3: No, we are get fined twenty five dollars.
33:13
Speaker 4: Still some money, not much at all.
33:15
Speaker 1: But do you know what I always say, We always
33:17
Speaker 1: say it on this show, No vote, no wine.
33:20
Speaker 3: If you don't go out and vote, well, don't call
33:22
Speaker 3: them wings.
33:22
Speaker 5: They didn't listen to me either, So to go out
33:24
Speaker 5: and vote early and vote often. So clearly those people
33:26
Speaker 5: in that elected aren't very good at listening to Bush.
33:29
Speaker 1: I did tell the Deputy Electoral Commissioner that casier, So
33:32
Speaker 1: hopefully you don't get in trouble for giving people that advice.
33:36
Speaker 3: We'll take a very short break.
33:37
Speaker 1: You are listening to Mix one O four nine's three
33:39
Speaker 1: sixty in the studio with us this morning for the
33:42
Speaker 1: week that was. We've got Josh Burgo and we've also
33:44
Speaker 1: got Keyesyerpuric, and we've got Ni r Kit and we
33:47
Speaker 1: know that Northern Territory Government union members are going to
33:51
Speaker 1: be partaking in a day of action on the first
33:53
Speaker 1: of September, so next Thursday, in response to the government's
33:57
Speaker 1: refusal to lose the wage freeze. Is what I have
34:00
Speaker 1: said in a statement. They say Chief Minister Files needs
34:04
Speaker 1: to start listening to her public sector workers and so
34:08
Speaker 1: essentially teachers are going to be stopping work for the day,
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Speaker 1: Correctional officers are going to be stopping work for twelve hours.
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Speaker 1: Firefighters are going to be attending the action. Nurses are
34:18
Speaker 1: going to be attending that action, Power and Water as well,
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Speaker 1: and Territory Generation Aboriginal Health practitioners will also be heading
34:24
Speaker 1: along and all various government workers will attend the action day.
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Speaker 1: It's a long like the day long action basically is
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Speaker 1: going to be held in Darwin and Alas Springs so
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Speaker 1: Parliament House nine until five thirty in Darwin and then
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Speaker 1: the Alice Springstown Council lawns nine until five.
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Speaker 5: So unprecedented. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, in
34:49
Speaker 5: my time, I'm sure there has been. I can't think
34:51
Speaker 5: anything off the top of my head. I know Steve
34:53
Speaker 5: Hatton faced an anger when he was Chief miss He
34:55
Speaker 5: faced an angry mob outside the old Parliament House. But
34:58
Speaker 5: I can't remve if our public servants or government officials
35:00
Speaker 5: or not.
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Speaker 4: But to have all those.
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Speaker 5: Employees of the government systems protesting, I think sends a
35:08
Speaker 5: really strong message.
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Speaker 4: I mean, and there.
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Speaker 5: Mostly those people who at the front front line, you know,
35:13
Speaker 5: the nurses, the fires and all that sort of thing.
35:15
Speaker 5: So I think they are trying to get through to
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Speaker 5: the Chief Minister and Minister Kirby, who's the public sector
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Speaker 5: employer minister, is that they're not happy, you know, and
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Speaker 5: you can't to freeze wages for another three years when
35:28
Speaker 5: we've got you know, cost of living inflations high. We
35:31
Speaker 5: know that we've got issues with our fuel prices, you know,
35:34
Speaker 5: and the exercise hasn't even come off. So I you know,
35:37
Speaker 5: whatever Chief Minister passed Michael Gunner did, that should be
35:41
Speaker 5: just pushed aside and pushed out and come back. And
35:44
Speaker 5: you know, that's why I think a lot of people
35:45
Speaker 5: had some high hopes with Natasha becoming the Chief Minister
35:48
Speaker 5: that should bring fresh eyes and fresh thinking and fresh
35:51
Speaker 5: direction to the government's engagement with the public sector.
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Speaker 4: It's just the beginning.
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Speaker 5: This is not going to go on because they're highly
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Speaker 5: organized through their respective unions, then the Trades and Labor
36:03
Speaker 5: Council and using social media and reaching out to various
36:07
Speaker 5: we shall partners partnerships. You know, we saw what happened
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Speaker 5: last week with the teachers that I was there. I
36:13
Speaker 5: reckon there was easy four to five hundred people easy.
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Speaker 5: There was quite a lot from the rule of my
36:17
Speaker 5: schools and that's why I went to support them. But
36:19
Speaker 5: there were just an abundance of people and supporters.
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Speaker 3: So Thursday, Thursdayday, if.
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Speaker 5: Last week's any indication, there will be equally hundreds, if
36:29
Speaker 5: not up to thousand out there protesting and trying to
36:32
Speaker 5: send a message to government.
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting turn of events because these are essentially
36:36
Speaker 2: labors on you know, these are the unions that support
36:38
Speaker 2: labor generally during the elections, and now we've got them
36:41
Speaker 2: rallying against this government because they do not accept this
36:44
Speaker 2: pay freeze over COVID. We've continuously heard these are the
36:47
Speaker 2: people that have been getting us through COVID. These have
36:50
Speaker 2: been the people that have been supporting us all through
36:52
Speaker 2: this time, and now when that comes to an actual
36:54
Speaker 2: pay rise, the government says you're not worth it. I mean,
36:57
Speaker 2: the colp have said loud and clear we support Langoland's
37:01
Speaker 2: plan for budget repair, which is a thousand dollars a
37:04
Speaker 2: year real wages growth, that's increased entitlements, that superinnuation and
37:09
Speaker 2: all this. I don't know what Labor are putting forward
37:12
Speaker 2: in regards to that, but clearly whatever they're putting on
37:14
Speaker 2: the table, the unions aren't happy with.
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Speaker 7: So we understand and we respect to you know, each
37:20
Speaker 7: union's ability to undertake protected industrial action. And it is
37:24
Speaker 7: a huge day that is planned for the Thursday, the
37:26
Speaker 7: first to September. It's been really great to see the
37:29
Speaker 7: schools manage the impact last week to ensure that classes
37:34
Speaker 7: and supervision could still go ahead. We do not take
37:38
Speaker 7: for granted the amazing work that all of our workers
37:40
Speaker 7: undertake to serve Territorians. Minister Kirby is leading the chargers
37:45
Speaker 7: the commission, the OCPE Minister and OCPA are currently in
37:51
Speaker 7: those negotiations with all of those unions, and Labor does
37:54
Speaker 7: have a long standing relationship with the unions. But when
37:58
Speaker 7: we need to have those tough negotiations and those tough discussions,
38:02
Speaker 7: we're absolutely right there at that table.
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Speaker 1: You know, the hard part here is that the whole
38:06
Speaker 1: reason there is the wage freees in place is because obviously,
38:09
Speaker 1: you know, we're pretty broke.
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's got any better.
38:14
Speaker 1: And you know that's a really difficult part here is
38:16
Speaker 1: that that's the whole reason why this wage freeze came
38:19
Speaker 1: into place. But you know, the really difficult thing that
38:22
Speaker 1: we're now grappling with is that we cannot afford to
38:25
Speaker 1: lose our teachers to interstate. We cannot afford to lose
38:28
Speaker 1: those frontline workers to interstate because there is a massive
38:32
Speaker 1: shortage of stuff.
38:34
Speaker 4: Gobbled up into state.
38:37
Speaker 5: And I would think particularly if they're the younger family
38:40
Speaker 5: people who are still mobile, they've still got young children,
38:43
Speaker 5: so they are comfortable, Well, it's easier for them than
38:46
Speaker 5: an old established family. But if the teachers don't leave
38:50
Speaker 5: and go into state. They'll just retire early well or
38:53
Speaker 5: go to another job.
38:53
Speaker 3: And this is the hard part.
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Speaker 1: You know, we can't, like, we can't be in a
38:57
Speaker 1: situation where we don't have enough teachers. But the really
38:59
Speaker 1: difficult thing now, as well as a parent, is I know,
39:02
Speaker 1: I'm very supportive of the teachers. I think, you know
39:04
Speaker 1: what they do, deserve to be paid well, they educate
39:06
Speaker 1: our kids. They do a bloody good job at it.
39:08
Speaker 1: But the concern that I've got is I don't want
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Speaker 1: there to be ongoing strikes here and to be disruptive
39:14
Speaker 1: to our children.
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Speaker 3: You know, you don't want.
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Speaker 5: It disrupts not children, just disrupts the families of the children,
39:19
Speaker 5: because a lot of people have working families, mums and dads,
39:24
Speaker 5: and then if they can't help, then obviously cares and
39:26
Speaker 5: grandparents have to step into aunties uncles.
39:29
Speaker 4: So it flows across the community.
39:31
Speaker 5: So if you have to say, look, I've got to
39:32
Speaker 5: take a sick day at work because they've got no
39:33
Speaker 5: more leave left, So that means the private sector starts
39:36
Speaker 5: to be impacted on in some shape or form. And
39:38
Speaker 5: we're really struggling at the moment in the private sector
39:40
Speaker 5: waiting to get goods because it's taking a long time,
39:42
Speaker 5: partly due to COVID et cetera. So as I said,
39:46
Speaker 5: I think this is just the beginning until government gets
39:48
Speaker 5: the message. And if government ignores them, be it at there.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they can afford to. I don't think
39:53
Speaker 1: they're in an a situation where they can. It's yeah,
39:55
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's going to be difficult. And look, we
39:57
Speaker 1: are going to catch up with the Department of e
40:00
Speaker 1: Education just after eleven o'clock this morning to find out
40:02
Speaker 1: what impact, if any, this is going to have on
40:05
Speaker 1: our school so if they are still going to be
40:07
Speaker 1: able to keep those schools staffed like they did last
40:10
Speaker 1: Friday in terms of the kids still being able to
40:12
Speaker 1: go to school, because this is also going to impact
40:14
Speaker 1: Alice Springs as well. It's not to start on this
40:17
Speaker 1: time round. It's right across the territory. And again I
40:20
Speaker 1: will make the point that those teachers didn't get the
40:23
Speaker 1: pay bonus. I didn't know whether the other frontline workers
40:27
Speaker 1: did or did And.
40:28
Speaker 5: Katie, the other thing too is I think I mentioned
40:30
Speaker 5: last week the bonus that went to the admin staff
40:33
Speaker 5: of schools that has not flowed through some of my
40:37
Speaker 5: rural schools have paid the bonus out of their existing funds,
40:40
Speaker 5: and the chief pretty achievemness of Michael Gonna said, yes,
40:43
Speaker 5: the money's flowed. I can tell you now the money
40:45
Speaker 5: has not flowed to two schools in particularly in my life.
40:48
Speaker 2: You hit the nail on the head right there, Katie.
40:50
Speaker 2: When you're eight point seven billion dollars in debt, these
40:53
Speaker 2: are the sorts of things that start racking up. We
40:55
Speaker 2: can't afford to pay our teachers, right, We can't afford
40:57
Speaker 2: to pay our frontline works what they deserve to be paid.
41:02
Speaker 2: That's why it's so important to be able to run
41:04
Speaker 2: a budget in the black, not always in the red.
41:06
Speaker 2: And I tell you what, we're just.
41:07
Speaker 5: Money to splash around for the by election, that's.
41:09
Speaker 2: Right, ten million dollars there for preschool, Yeah, running for.
41:12
Speaker 5: The Vestis Beach area and something for this and money
41:15
Speaker 5: for that.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, we've run out of time. Game.
41:19
Speaker 1: It always said, the hour always goes pretty quickly once
41:22
Speaker 1: you get everybody talking. Joshua Burgoyne, the member for Braklin,
41:25
Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time.
41:26
Speaker 7: You very much.
41:27
Speaker 3: Katie Kezier Purity.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
41:29
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41:31
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41:37
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41:40
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41:44
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Speaker 1: Wonderful stays can Arie, I keep thanks so much for
41:50
Speaker 1: joining us this morning.
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Speaker 7: Thanks for having at Katie