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Nolan Arenado Returns to St. Louis, JJ Wetherholt's Historic Rookie Year & The Cardinals' HBP Problem · Cardinal Territory: A St. Louis Cardinals Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another additional Cardinal territory. Jim
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  Speaker 1: Hayes along with Lance Lance. Before we start, I've been
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: getting some feedback about the beard. People love it. People
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: want to know if you're going to grow it out
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  Speaker 1: for the entire summer. Please give us an update.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I just haven't haven't kind of haircut yet,
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  Speaker 2: So whenever I get over it, I'll just go do it.
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  Speaker 2: But right now it's doing its thing. It looks good.
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: It looks good, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So the Cardinals were in Kansas City facing a Royals
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  Speaker 1: team not the greatest. They dropped two or two of three,
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  Speaker 1: and the pitching staff gets hit around a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: The Cards home now to take on the Diamondbacks and
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  Speaker 1: the return of Nolan Ronado. I want to ask you
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  Speaker 1: about what happened in Kansas City. So Libby lasted an
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: inning in two third, give seven runs I think five,
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  Speaker 1: earned dust, and got hit around. He lasted only a
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  Speaker 1: couple of innings. Let's start with Libby. Like I understand
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  Speaker 1: that there are ups and downs as a major league starter.
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  Speaker 2: He's in a rough patch.
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  Speaker 1: Now, what do you see him from Libby and what
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  Speaker 1: are your hopes for him to shake this option.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you, like you said, you're gonna go
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  Speaker 2: through rough stretches. The problem is when you start, when
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  Speaker 2: you start letting those creep in to multiple starts and
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. I think Dustin's been throwing the ball
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  Speaker 2: so well you think, all right, hey, you know, don't
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  Speaker 2: let that turn into multiple starts. Figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: correct whatever the issues were last start, and then get going.
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  Speaker 2: Libby I think is searching a little bit, and he's
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  Speaker 2: been kind of searching at times throughout the year this
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  Speaker 2: year when I'll be going smooth through four or five
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  Speaker 2: innings and then next thing, you know, he gives up,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a big inning and stuff like that. So
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  Speaker 2: I think the main thing that I took out of
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  Speaker 2: my things when I struggled a little bit that could
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  Speaker 2: help is simplifying things. Simplifying needs spatter each inning him him,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, Dusty Blake can try to slow the
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  Speaker 2: process down. I think when you try to do too much,
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  Speaker 2: or you're searching and stuff like that, the game speeds
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  Speaker 2: up on you because there's too much going on in
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  Speaker 2: your brain. So get to the bullpen. Simplify. Maybe all right,
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  Speaker 2: let's get the three pitch mix and let's simplify those
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  Speaker 2: things to righty lefty where we want to put them,
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  Speaker 2: what we're trying to do to each hitter, and try
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  Speaker 2: to slow the game down so there's not too much
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  Speaker 2: going on while you're out there, so don't snowball on you.
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  Speaker 2: So I would say that's probably the main thing right now,
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  Speaker 2: is trying to make it take a step back and
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  Speaker 2: simplify it so you can go out there and just
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  Speaker 2: try to execute one hitter at a time and get
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  Speaker 2: three outside of time, and then worry about the next
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  Speaker 2: inning and the next inning.
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  Speaker 1: Every picture goes through one of those starts where everything
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  Speaker 1: is a rocket off the bat. Happens to broadcasters, happens,
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  Speaker 1: I guess in every job, right you just have a
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  Speaker 1: day where you just don't have it.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're a pitcher starting picture of.
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  Speaker 1: Major League Baseball and like you guys have all been there,
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  Speaker 1: and it's early in a game, and you are already
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  Speaker 1: giving up home runs, even loud outs, but you're getting crushed,
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  Speaker 1: what's that It's gotta it's gotta feel like you're alone
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  Speaker 1: on an island. What's that feeling like?
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  Speaker 2: It's you feel like there's nothing you can do to
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  Speaker 2: miss a barrel and you're like, what do I throw?
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  Speaker 2: And then next thing you know, you start walking people
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  Speaker 2: this and that, and you just find yourself in a
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  Speaker 2: lost feeling of hopelessness because you're like, anything I try
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  Speaker 2: is not working. They're hitting everything hard, and you's it
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  Speaker 2: turns into hey, I hope they just hit it at
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  Speaker 2: somebody so I can I can get it out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: that's a and it's a very it's a terrible feeling.
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  Speaker 2: And it's happened to every picture that's ever thrown a
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  Speaker 2: ball in their life at some point, the great ones,
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  Speaker 2: it might have happened once once in their life, but
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  Speaker 2: you know everyone else that happens once a year. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like once or twice a year, you'll have a
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  Speaker 2: start where it's like I cannot get anyone out, and
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  Speaker 2: I do not know how to give anyone out. Everything
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  Speaker 2: I try is going in the opposite direction or doing
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  Speaker 2: the opposite it's supposed to do, and I just keep
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  Speaker 2: finding barrels, and you know, you just try to survive
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  Speaker 2: those days.
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  Speaker 1: With Dustin May, it was odd because he was coming
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  Speaker 1: off a one hit, complete game shutout. He had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of rough starts just at the beginning of the
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  Speaker 1: season and since then, I mean it's been quality start,
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  Speaker 1: lights out, lights out, quality start. He's been really good.
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  Speaker 1: What can happen after you have like this, possibly best
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  Speaker 1: start in your career, and you take them ound again
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  Speaker 1: and again. The Royals are hardly murderers? Wrote What goes on? Mentally?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you still thinking about that?
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  Speaker 1: Or how does that work?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: I think you just saw what we've always talked about.
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  Speaker 2: Baseball even itself out. Right, You go nine innings of
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  Speaker 2: one hit ball, and then the next inning next time,
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  Speaker 2: you don't get through the third, and next thing you know,
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  Speaker 2: you look up. You've had eleven innings of how many
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  Speaker 2: or earned runs? Right, So it evens itself out. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: you just hope that your bad ones aren't you figure
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  Speaker 2: out how to salvage them to save seasons. I remember
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Lewis told me one time. He's like, if you're
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  Speaker 2: going to have a bad one, figure out how to
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  Speaker 2: get through six and make it only four or five
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  Speaker 2: earned runs. You can't go, you know, two innings and
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  Speaker 2: you can't give up more than six or it just
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  Speaker 2: kills you. You're gonna have those days, and it's just
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any effect of the last start.
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  Speaker 2: There might be you know, a complete game is a
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  Speaker 2: little different. You know, maybe is in between routine was
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  Speaker 2: thrown off? You know, he might have been a little sore,
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  Speaker 2: you know, wins the last time he's throw nine innings
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  Speaker 2: in a game. You know, you know what did he
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  Speaker 2: was he able to do in between starts? And like
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  Speaker 2: I said, did the routine get thrown off? Was he
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  Speaker 2: you know, still kind of barkie from the last start
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  Speaker 2: because of all the you know, because of nine innings.
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  Speaker 2: So you just never know. When you throw a lot
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  Speaker 2: of innings and a lot of pitches, usually that next
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  Speaker 2: ones might not be as sharp and then you just
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  Speaker 2: try to get through it. And unfortunately he wasn't able
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  Speaker 2: to have a call he start that next one, especially
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  Speaker 2: when you had a and early lead too. I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: he's kicking himself over that one too, because when its
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  Speaker 2: team puts up early runs for you, you try to
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  Speaker 2: get make sure you get through the sixth and get
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  Speaker 2: through so you can get a win. And he wasn't
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  Speaker 2: able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So the Cardinal pitching staff gave up thirty runs over
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  Speaker 1: three games in Kansas City, but to the Cards credit
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  Speaker 1: the offense was busy too. The offense started hitting home runs.
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about JJ Weatherhole because we don't sometimes talk
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  Speaker 1: about him maybe as much as we should. This guy
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  Speaker 1: had a homer one way, you know, to right and
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  Speaker 1: a homer to left or forget the order, playing like
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  Speaker 1: gold glove second base, and you kind of forget that
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  Speaker 1: this guy is a rookie. This guy going into the season,
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  Speaker 1: there's only question marks. You know, is he ready to go?
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  Speaker 1: Is he a second basement? And now you just look
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  Speaker 1: at this guy as really one of the better players
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  Speaker 1: in the league. What's the most impressive thing you've seen
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  Speaker 1: from JJ Weatherholt.
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  Speaker 2: I think the main thing you said right away is
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  Speaker 2: you forget that he's a rookie. So when you have
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  Speaker 2: that feeling or people see you as an oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he is a rookie, after remind yourself he is, that's
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  Speaker 2: the most impressive thing because this game is hard, but
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  Speaker 2: he's able to come in, He's been able to do
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  Speaker 2: the work and not one side of the ball is
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  Speaker 2: affecting the other if anything goes on. So he shows
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  Speaker 2: poise and shows the signs of being a season vet already,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and he's not even halfway through is his
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  Speaker 2: rookie year, So I think you're seeing the makings of
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  Speaker 2: somebody that's going to be really good for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: You know there's gonna come, there's gonna be times when
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have some ups and downs in this game.
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  Speaker 2: But he seems to have a good head on his shoulders,
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  Speaker 2: the right work ethic, and the right ability to lock
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  Speaker 2: in no matter what's going on on either side of
• 7:59
  Speaker 2: the ball to help the team win if one side's
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  Speaker 2: not doing what it needs to. So it's impressive. He's
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  Speaker 2: showing the reason why he got drafted as how he
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  Speaker 2: is as high as he did, the reason why he's
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  Speaker 2: the highest highest prospect in the organization because the kid
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  Speaker 2: can play. But he also has a good maturity to
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  Speaker 2: him that is awesome to see. And you're seeing a
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  Speaker 2: guy that's kind of just saying, hey, i might be
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  Speaker 2: a rookie, but I can play baseball and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: afraid of anything. And that's that's always fun to see
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: as a as a fan, but also as a as
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  Speaker 2: a former player when you see rookies come up and
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  Speaker 2: take take the league by soarm at school.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back, to Cardinal territory. So we talked
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: about this just before the break. The Cardinals get hit
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: a lot, an awful lot. They've been hit fifty four times.
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: That's tops and all the Major League Baseball. Vonn Herrera
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: has been hit twenty one times. He look, he's got
• 10:07
  Speaker 1: a very good sense of where the strike zone is.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Might lean in a little bit, but twenty one times, Lance,
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: Do you think that this is just happenstance or do
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: you think this is other teams going, yeah, we can
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: push them off the plate by doing that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I lean towards it's just kind of it
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: just happens. But I also think there's times where when
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: you are a young team, and then you're a young
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  Speaker 2: team on both sides of the plate, maybe the other
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: team is not worried about anybody doing anything in return,
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: if that makes sense. When you have different starters that
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: might be known to do the things they need to
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  Speaker 2: do to make sure that you don't just hit people
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  Speaker 2: without any consequences, the other team has a tendency not
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: to throw the ball in there without care either, So
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of both. It's a
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: young team, some guys who like the ball, out over,
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: so you have to pitch him in, but you're pitching
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  Speaker 2: in without any care if you do hit him in
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  Speaker 2: a sense, and then there's no really worry of retaliation
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: because of the youngness of the pitching on the cardinal
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: side to do anything to cause fear in the other
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: starter and his guy getting hit and them coming and
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  Speaker 2: talk to him. So I would say it's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of both.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: In other words of lance Lynn, we're currently a cardinal,
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: there would be some guys wearing it.
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  Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying. I will tell you if
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: John Lackey was a cardinal, for sure. And I'm going
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: off of one thing that I ever saw happen that
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: I thought was the greatest thing of all time. Corey
• 11:50
  Speaker 2: Kleeber hit Matt Holliday in the first inning of the
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: first game of the series in Cleveland. Matt had like
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: he couldn't even straighten his elbow. It was huge. So
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: he like, I don't know if you've got play the
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: next two days. Next inning, Lackey just and he was
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: out for the game, right, So Lackey smokes, I don't
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: remember who it was, but he drilled them. Nick Swisher's
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  Speaker 2: on the bench coin it wasn't on purpose, and Lackey
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  Speaker 2: looks at him from the mountain goes, I don't give
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: a fuck. My three year old hitting left fielder is
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: out of the game. Somebody was getting one and Swish
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  Speaker 2: goes fair. That was it. So and then nobody got
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: hit the rest of the game and the series. Nobody
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: gonna hit the rest of the series. So it was
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: kind of like, you're gonna throw in there without care,
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: We're gonna we're coming back and it was done right.
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  Speaker 1: Then there is something to be said about players kind
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: of policing themselves. But if you're only marvel, I think
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  Speaker 1: also it's it's a it's a balancing.
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  Speaker 2: Act, right you.
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  Speaker 1: Look, every manager will say take care of business. I
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  Speaker 1: know LaRussa did it too, but there has to be
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  Speaker 1: the right time. You're dealing with young pitchers. It could
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: totally sidetrack a young picture, right, so there's a balancing
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  Speaker 1: act for him manager who might want to send a
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  Speaker 1: message to the other team.
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  Speaker 2: Right Yeah. I think in this day and age too,
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  Speaker 2: you can't really do it either. So you gotta be smart.
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  Speaker 2: You also have to let you know, you gotta let
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  Speaker 2: your guys know you have your back. You kind of
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: gotta let hey, you know, we're tired of seeing somebody
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  Speaker 2: get hit this or that, you know, herrara with that
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  Speaker 2: many ahvps already. I mean, it was kind of similar
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: to what what Contreras had to deal with last year.
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  Speaker 2: So you kind of go go back and look and
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  Speaker 2: see if there's any bad intent or if there's any Hey,
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  Speaker 2: these guys are just throwing in with no care in
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: the world. And if that's the case too, you kind
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: of let you kind of start chirping at the catcher,
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: which is the number one thing, and then that will
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  Speaker 2: get back to the manager, and then you let everybody know, Hey,
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to come in there with no with
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: no care in the world, then hey, you're your best
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: hitter is going to have to have to worry about
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  Speaker 2: the same thing. You're not trying to hit them, but
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  Speaker 2: you're also trying to say, hey, if I throw one
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  Speaker 2: underneath your hands and right around the chin area, that's
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  Speaker 2: because you guys are thrown in there with with no
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  Speaker 2: care in the world either. So if you're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: have care, we're not gonna have care, if that's if
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  Speaker 2: that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: And there's also pictures that make a living pitching inside.
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  Speaker 1: I know you were not afraid at all to go inside.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: If a picture doesn't establish it, I'll come inside. Even
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  Speaker 1: if I got to buzz a tower. It's gonna be
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: a long afternoon for him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's ways to go in there where you're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna hurt anybody and stuff like that. Unfortunately, I've
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: hit guys and broke their hands, and it's the worst
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: feeling that you can have as a picture is when
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: you knock someone out because you know they're trying to
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: feed their family, they're trying to put up their numbers.
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  Speaker 2: So my goal every time I went in there was
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: it was, you know, you're trying to stay below kind
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: of like below the nipples. There's really no other way
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: to say it. And you're trying to stay away from
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: hands and necks and heads, but you're trying to move hips.
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  Speaker 2: You want to get that lean back so they can't
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  Speaker 2: lean out over on you. So but nowadays people are
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: I mean Ivan's hands are and whole bodies or whole
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: arms over the plate. So if he's getting anything in
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  Speaker 2: the elbow, if damn near could be on the strike zone,
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  Speaker 2: technically it could be on the plate. So that's a
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  Speaker 2: hard one to judge. But when you know you're really
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: worry about guys if they start, if they're really getting
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  Speaker 2: hit up top of the head and stuff like that,
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: are they diving or is it just Hey, we're throwing
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  Speaker 2: up and in because we don't care. So there's definitely
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: a balancing act here.
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  Speaker 1: Do you ever hit a guy that you didn't mean
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: to and they assumed you're Lanceolin he did it on
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: purpose and there was a little back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Uh No, I mean, ever anyone that I had that
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  Speaker 2: I hit and didn't mean to, you know, I let
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: him know pretty quick. If you knew, you know that
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I was. I was No, I mean, I am who
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: I am. I was, you know, a bulldog type on
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: the mound. But when when I fucked up, I let
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: you know real quick. Hey, that's on me. So if
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't tell you that and you wanted to start tripping,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: then you knew what it was on purpose.
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• 17:00
  Speaker 1: The return of Nolan Arnatto He's with the DBAX comes
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: back to Saint Louis, thirty five years old, and the
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: numbers still really aren't Nolan numbers eight homers to thirty
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: something batting average. I mean again, he's only thirty five.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Did he lose something along the way or what happened,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: because there was a time he was not only dominant defensively,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: but also one of the most dominant third baseman and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: all of baseball.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: I think over a time in this game, it's hard
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: to put up great numbers for twenty straight years. Right
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: you're looking at his first ten years in the league.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: He's he's a Hall of Famer just on the you
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: know what, nine straight goal gloves he wanted to start
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: his career. So you're looking at a guy that, you know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the game's changed a little bit since he came in.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: His swing and hitting defenses, I think it's still there
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: for the most part. He's probably not getting graded like
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: he used to because he doesn't have to leave his
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: feet to get the balls and stuff like that, and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: that's how you get graded higher as a as an
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: elite defender, and he doesn't have to do that, So
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: it kind of makes him look worse than I think
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: that he is. Offensively, he was a real drive through it,
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: down through it type of guy. And the games change,
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: velocities are higher, they pitch up in the zone more.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: It's just and when you get older, when you start
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: diving and stuff, your bat gets a little slower. Hollywood
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: always talk about, you know, you'd have to do some
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: things to not get beat up as much, especially with
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: with velocity the older he got. I think that I'm
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: hoping that he's, you know, going through that phase where
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: it's going to be, you know, maybe not as up
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: to his standards for a year or two, and then
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: maybe he can fix something to really not dive. And
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: because he was so good at just get catching the
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: ball up front and getting down through it. Nowadays, when
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: you do that with this high velocity, the balls beat
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: you up and you just can't you can't quite get
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to him up at the top of the zone. So
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit of mechanics that he's
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: going to have to change to become a lead again,
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: just because how much he's getting beat up in the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: top of the zone on the balls he used to crush.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: When he was in Saint Louis, there was some like
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: quiet murmuring that he wasn't really connected with his teammates.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: My impression him he was a total professional, and he
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: was one of those guys that I mean, he'd always
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: have a bat in his hand, he was always preoccupied
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: with his daily prep. But I just thought he was
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: a total pro. I mean, you've seen it. Tell me
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: what he's like around the clubhouse.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: No, I thought he was awesome. He was everything that
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I expected kN be and hurr. He was great teammate,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: took care of the young guys. I think the number
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: one thing that people don't are that people, if they
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: had anything bad is say about him is he was
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: still locked into his routine every day. That It's not
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: that he didn't talk to anyone and wasn't there for anybody.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: It's like, hey, I'm in my routine. I can help
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: when when I can and do the things I can.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: And also if he as to talk to you or
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: if you, you know, for the younger guys, was trying
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: to engage with you and you didn't seem to want
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to have that engagement. He wasn't going to force that
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: upon you either. So you know, he had his own
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: routine and he's locked into it. He helped the guys
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: who I'm gonna say wanted help right that that came
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: to him, we're looking for it. Anyone who didn't engage
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: with him, he was like, well, I guess you're not interested.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: You know, he would say as hello as he was
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: nice to everybody and all that, but the you know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: some guys, some young guys come in and think they
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: have it figured out, and no one's not. If you,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: you know, tell him you've got to figure it out,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna he's not going to uh, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: he's not gonna. I guess it's not that it's not
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: going to take the time. He's gonna let you do
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: your thing. He's not going to force anything upon you.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: So maybe that was people thinking he was disengaged, but
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I think more so was Hey, my guy said that
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: he was good to go, so you know, if he
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: needs me, he'll come to me, you know.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: There was also that Goldie is a guy who doesn't
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: say much leads. By example, I'd see him in the
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: batting cage talking to the young guys. They used to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: say that about Holiday. Doesn't say much leads Mike. I'd
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: watch him chirping nonsop once in a while. The narrative
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: you get about leadership or clubhouse dynamics isn't actually true.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the case?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you've seen it long enough, and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: you've been in clubhouses. Sometimes the guy that's the media
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: darling isn't the leader and the person that you think
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: he is to the clubhouse. He's just some guys like cameras,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: and some guys like to talk and do all this
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and they don't even speak to their teammates. Other guys
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: don't talk to media at all because you know, the
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: media doesn't matter to them. But they're the best teammates
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and the best people at helping guys out and being
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: there for each other and taking care of each other
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: than anybody. So I think you can get a false
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: false thought on a lot of different people a lot
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: of different ways. It depends on how they want to
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: be portrayed and what they care about.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: There, because a lot of guys when the meet is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse don't necessarily want to be in their lance.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Good stuff, we appreciate it. I think the beard looks beautiful.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I want you to keep it going. Okay, let it go,
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: just let it go.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Keep it going, all right, sounds good?
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for the That's gonna
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Boy. I need a reset.
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Hopefully the next edition won't suck and I'll be able
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: to speak. We'll see you then