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Sharri | 17 October · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News this is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening bullying, discrimination and sexual harassment, yet the nine
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Speaker 2: network won't hold the perpetrators accountable, and women at nine,
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Speaker 2: from presenters to producers are furious. More on these damning
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Speaker 2: findings and the astonishing tone deaf lack of accountability in
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Speaker 2: a moment also tonight, how it took a Fox News
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Speaker 2: journalist to finally put Kamala Harris under scrutiny and it
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Speaker 2: was too hot for her to handle. I'll cross live
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Speaker 2: to Washington and analyze that train wreck interview throughout the show,
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Speaker 2: Plus the Lebanese politician taking on Hesbela I'll speak to
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Speaker 2: him lie from Beirut a bit later. Also on the
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Speaker 2: show tonight, Basil zemplus Matt Canavan, Holly Hughes and Moore.
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Speaker 2: But first female staff at Channel nine are furious that
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Speaker 2: not a single perpetrator of sexual harassment or bullying will
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Speaker 2: be held accountable despite a damning review exposing the toxic
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Speaker 2: culture at the network. Nine has been utterly shamed by
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Speaker 2: the revelations of misconduct inside its newsrooms and offices over years,
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Speaker 2: all of it exposed in graphic detail by an external
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Speaker 2: review into company culture, where one hundred and twenty two
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Speaker 2: past and current employees took part the series allegations grooming,
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Speaker 2: sexual harassment, sexual intimidation, bullying, and abuse of power. Much
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Speaker 2: of this horrific behavior was covered up by the media. Company.
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Speaker 2: Staff was specifically warned not to complain to human resources.
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Speaker 2: They were ordered to stay silent. This external review was
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Speaker 2: only commissioned after we revealed on this show in May
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Speaker 2: widespread and historic allegations of sexual harassment and toxic culture. Today,
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Speaker 2: the network's board and executives have to confront the terrible
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Speaker 2: misconduct in their ranks that took place under their watch. Yet,
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Speaker 2: even at this moment of truth, nine's leadership is failing
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Speaker 2: to properly address the problem. Women at the nine Network
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Speaker 2: were devastated and distressed today to be told by Acting
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Speaker 2: CEO Matt Stanton that none of the repeat offenders would
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Speaker 2: face consequences. At an all staff meeting, Stanton admitted that
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Speaker 2: there were a few individuals who were raised repeatedly in
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Speaker 2: the allegations, but he said they'd remain working at the
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Speaker 2: company no action would be taken against them. Nine presenters Deborhnight,
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Speaker 2: Dimity Clancy, and Amelia Adams were among those who questioned
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Speaker 2: him about this. One presenter is understood to have said
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Speaker 2: to Stanton that the onus was on him and the
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Speaker 2: board to protect employees and on behalf of the one
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two people who complaint. Well, I understand
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Speaker 2: that Stanton responded that the report was not about individuals,
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Speaker 2: but about systemic cultural change. He said that if any
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Speaker 2: staff wanted to proceed with formal complaints against current employees,
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Speaker 2: they were free to do so through nine's official processes.
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Speaker 2: This is despite the evidence women had already given to
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Speaker 2: this thorough external inquiry. Now, his response on this matter
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Speaker 2: in particular infuriated employees who felt they'd already lodged their
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Speaker 2: complaints in lengthy sessions that were at times understandably very distressing.
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Speaker 2: After learning there'd be no accountability, some staff were in tears.
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Speaker 2: One woman at nine told me today, I think it's
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Speaker 2: really sad that we were asked to relive our awful
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Speaker 2: experiences only to be told it was never about holding
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Speaker 2: any individual to account. Another said, if there are still
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Speaker 2: leaders in our network who came up again and again,
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Speaker 2: why are they not being held accountable? And a third
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Speaker 2: female employee at nine told me and I quote we're
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Speaker 2: saddened by the report, but we're even more upset that
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Speaker 2: people aren't going to be held accountable. Even a current
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Speaker 2: Affair host, Alison Langdon, addressed the issue on air tonight,
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Speaker 2: urging leadership to act well.
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Speaker 3: Every day we ask you to share your stories to
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Speaker 3: right wrongs, and tonight, if you'll spare me a moment,
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Speaker 3: I want to talk about my own workplace. There was
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Speaker 3: a darning report released today in Tonight's Toxic Culture of
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Speaker 3: bullying and Harassments. It's a really hard read because many
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Speaker 3: of the stories are from women I deeply admire and
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Speaker 3: work closely with.
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Speaker 4: Ain is real.
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Speaker 3: Their experiences are real, and I have so much respect
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Speaker 3: for them, and I know why they spoke up. Transparency
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Speaker 3: is important. Sharing the ugliness is via to if anything's
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Speaker 3: to change, it is the very business that we're in.
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Speaker 3: So it's over to management now to act and to
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Speaker 3: show leadership.
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Speaker 2: And the report couldn't have been more confrontic. It found
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Speaker 2: that across the company, around one quarter of employees had
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Speaker 2: been sexually harassed. In Nine's broadcast division, this was far higher,
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Speaker 2: with forty four percent of women saying they'd experienced sexual harassment.
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Speaker 2: So that's nearly half of all women in nine's television division,
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Speaker 2: About fifty two percent of nine employees had experienced or
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Speaker 2: witnessed abuse of power or authority. Nearly half of all
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Speaker 2: employees had experienced bullying, discrimination, or harassment. And this report
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Speaker 2: included the broadcast, radio, digital sales, publishing, corporate divisions as
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Speaker 2: well as stan Now. In the review and it was
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Speaker 2: tough reading, a nine employee spoke of being groomed by
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Speaker 2: an unnamed male. She said, he also touched me on
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Speaker 2: the bum at the Christmas party, and at other times
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Speaker 2: he'd rubbed my legs under the table. I saw him
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Speaker 2: do it to other women. Another staff member was quoted
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Speaker 2: in the report describing how inappropriate conduct had been covered
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Speaker 2: up by a female employee. She said, the day after
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Speaker 2: it the inappropriate workplace behavior happened, this individual came up
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Speaker 2: to me to talk about it. I thought she wanted
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Speaker 2: to see if I was okay or if I wanted
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Speaker 2: to do anything about it, but no, she was there
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Speaker 2: to make sure that I didn't say anything, that I
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Speaker 2: didn't complain. She made it very clear that it would
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Speaker 2: be in my best interests not to make an issue
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Speaker 2: out of it. Another comment included in The report states
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Speaker 2: that it is drilled into us, never go to They
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Speaker 2: are very much on the side of the company. Their
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Speaker 2: attitude is it's not our fault. This happened. Make no mistake.
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Speaker 2: This is the me too movement hitting one of the
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Speaker 2: country's biggest media companies. The allegations are damning but also
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Speaker 2: very sad. The working environment for women has been unacceptable
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Speaker 2: over many years. It wasn't only sexual harassment either, but
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Speaker 2: details of bullying and a toxic culture. The report quotes
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Speaker 2: one staff member speaking about being put on ice by
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Speaker 2: their manager. She said, everyone calls it punishment island. When
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Speaker 2: I was younger, I would be in tears about something
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Speaker 2: like this. I've now become disengaged. I'm exhausted by the games.
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Speaker 2: There are allegations against a female employee who was alleged
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Speaker 2: to have bullied a colleague to the point where they resigned,
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Speaker 2: but then she bullied that woman's replacement as well. While
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Speaker 2: nine's chair Catherine West was only recently elevated to the role,
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Speaker 2: she's been a non executive director since twenty sixteen. In
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Speaker 2: an email to staff today, she admitted the company had
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Speaker 2: undeniable problems with their workplace culture. She said no department
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Speaker 2: is immune, and the results are concerning across the company.
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Speaker 2: She said, we are deeply sorry. We unreservedly apologize. You
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Speaker 2: should not have had to endure this conduct. Now, let's
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Speaker 2: go to some of the other damning allegations, because in
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Speaker 2: the broadcast division, employees claim that male reporters are automatically
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Speaker 2: assigned all the serious, hard hitting stories, whether it's politics, finance,
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Speaker 2: they are One woman was quoted in the report saying
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Speaker 2: that it's only the male employees who were taken seriously.
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Speaker 2: Another comment included in the report is that women reporters
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Speaker 2: seem to be there just to look pretty. Women's right
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Speaker 2: to report seems tied to appearance. A woman presenter was
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Speaker 2: told when she got pregnant, why would you go and
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Speaker 2: do that. The level of abuse and mistreatment contained in
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Speaker 2: this robot that's now been laid bare for all of
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Speaker 2: us to see is to me a disgrace, particularly the
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Speaker 2: role that some played in demanding the conduct be covered up.
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Speaker 2: Nine took the time and the expense to conduct this
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Speaker 2: external review, and it can't be for nothing. For a
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Speaker 2: media organization that it's for years demanded that others are
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Speaker 2: held accountable for their actions. Will now as the time
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Speaker 2: for the nine board and executives to practice what they preach.
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Speaker 2: The perpetrators must be held accountable. The women who suffered
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Speaker 2: at their hands deserve justice and their voices to be heard.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to come back to this in a moment
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Speaker 2: because The Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer Jonathan Moran will
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Speaker 2: join me to discuss it. It is an important issue.
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Speaker 2: Also coming up in the show Holly Hughes, Adam Crichton
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Speaker 2: and retired Major John Spencer. But let's bring in now
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Speaker 2: National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Meare Basil Zemplis. Welcome
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Speaker 2: to you both. Now, I want to start with what
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Speaker 2: is the biggest news surely in the world today, Kamala
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Speaker 2: Harris's interview on Fox News with journalist Brett Bayer. So
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Speaker 2: this was a half an hour interview, but I tell
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Speaker 2: you what, I could have watched it for a lot longer.
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Speaker 2: This was the first time the Vice president had been
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Speaker 2: properly grilled on the immigration issue, at the border, the
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Speaker 2: border crisis, the economy, her role in the Biden administration,
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Speaker 2: and she just couldn't properly answer any of the questions.
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Speaker 2: Have a look at one of these moments.
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Speaker 5: How many illegal immigrants would you estimate your administration has
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Speaker 5: released into the country over the last three and a
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Speaker 5: half years.
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Speaker 6: Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because
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Speaker 6: I agree with you it is it is a topic
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Speaker 6: of discussion that people want to rightly have And you
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Speaker 6: know what I'm going to talk about.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're just a number. Do you think it's
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Speaker 5: one million, three million?
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Speaker 2: Brett. Let's just get to the point, Okay.
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Speaker 6: The point is that we have a broken immigration system
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Speaker 6: that needs to be repaired.
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Speaker 5: So your land Security secretary said that eighty five percent
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Speaker 5: of apprehension.
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Speaker 6: I'm not finished.
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Speaker 5: We have a refreshment of six million people have been
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Speaker 5: released into the country, and let me just finish. I'll
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Speaker 5: get you the question, I promise you.
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Speaker 2: I was beginning to answer, Matt the border crisis is
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Speaker 2: unquestionably her weakest area with Americans, and you'd think she
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Speaker 2: had some lines worked out for what she was going
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Speaker 2: to say, but she just couldn't answer the questions.
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Speaker 7: Look, Shari, I think this just exposes the very tough
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Speaker 7: hand that any Democrat candidate would have right now because
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Speaker 7: the current administration has lost control of things like the
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Speaker 7: are pretty important issues, and it's quite remarkable to be
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Speaker 7: trying to run as a candidate, almost impossible to run
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Speaker 7: as a candidate saying hey, I'm going to turn the page.
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Speaker 7: But I'm also the incumbent vice president who was responsible
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Speaker 7: for all of these issues. There's I think a klonel
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Speaker 7: of absurdity at the heart of Karmela's reelection effectively re
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Speaker 7: election campaign here that just gets exposed under any kind
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Speaker 7: of sustained spotlight like this. It's probably why she's down
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Speaker 7: in the polls. It's pretty hard to see here in
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Speaker 7: the last few weeks how the Democrats regain momentum. I
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Speaker 7: think she's obviously gone on this media blitz because they're
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Speaker 7: not winning right now. They're clearly not doing that well,
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Speaker 7: and she's trying and desperately to do anything to claw back.
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Speaker 7: But with the record, they've got to run on all.
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Speaker 7: Her only answer during an interview, and I watched it
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Speaker 7: like you, the only answer was I'm not to hold Trump.
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Speaker 7: It's probably not going to be enough.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, Basil. She turned every art
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Speaker 2: into an attack on Donald Trump because she couldn't speak
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Speaker 2: about her own performance, particularly on areas like the bottom
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Speaker 2: and we just looked at that, but Brett bay is
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Speaker 2: excellent questioning went on to speak about one of the
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Speaker 2: women who had been killed by an illegal immigrant, who
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Speaker 2: should have been behind bars, who would have been behind
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Speaker 2: bars under the Trump administration, had Kamala Harris not reversed
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Speaker 2: so many of those reforms that were in place, measures
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Speaker 2: that were in place. And you know, she couldn't even
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Speaker 2: apologize to the family. She said, I'm deeply sorry that
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Speaker 2: this happened, but she couldn't take responsibility for it.
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Speaker 8: So many mixed messages and so much confusion from her,
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Speaker 8: and really there was a lack of preparation. You can
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Speaker 8: see that honeymoon period that she enjoyed when Joe Biden
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Speaker 8: first stood down and she became the candidate and the
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Speaker 8: easy interviews like Oprah for example, that came with it.
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Speaker 8: Isn't she longing for those days? So she takes the move,
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Speaker 8: or the bold step if you liked, to go for
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Speaker 8: a harder interview, thinking if I perform well, I can
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Speaker 8: turn it around, and then performs abysmally. So she's gone
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Speaker 8: backwards on the strength of one interview. And as Matt said,
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Speaker 8: how does she get the momentum back? Now it's almost impossible,
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Speaker 8: and what it has done is exposed her true positions.
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Speaker 8: And for the record, she didn't or couldn't answer that
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Speaker 8: question about how many immigrants had been released into the
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Speaker 8: United States, which was revealing in itself.
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Speaker 2: She would know the figure. She just didn't want it
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Speaker 2: to be used, probably in an attack out against her.
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Speaker 2: But I want to have a look at another moment,
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Speaker 2: because she was asked, you know, she talks about Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's mental state. But then Brett Bayer asked her when
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Speaker 2: she first noticed that Joe Biden was suffering from mental decline?
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Speaker 2: Have a look at that.
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Speaker 5: When did you first notice that President Biden's mental faculties
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Speaker 5: appeared diminished?
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Speaker 6: Jill Biden. I have watched him from the Oval office
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Speaker 6: to the situation room, and he has the judgment and
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Speaker 6: the experiment and experienced to do exactly what he has
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Speaker 6: done in making very important decisions on behalf of the
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Speaker 6: American people.
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Speaker 9: Joe Biden.
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Speaker 6: Jill Biden is not on the ballot, understanding Donald Trump,
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 2: Matt this is a relevant question. He's the current president
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Speaker 2: of the United States. Find he is not on the ballot,
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Speaker 2: but he's the current president. And as Bayas said to her,
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Speaker 2: you've been having weekly lunch meetings with him. You know,
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Speaker 2: what obligation did she have do you think Matt to
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Speaker 2: actually speak up about whether the president was incapable of
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Speaker 2: doing his job.
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Speaker 7: Look, the problem the problem for Kamala though, Shahi, she can't.
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Speaker 7: She can hardly say yeah, he's not mentally up to it.
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Speaker 7: And I found that out in this day because, as
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Speaker 7: you say, he's still the president and we've got a
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Speaker 7: situation where there's massive conflicts in multiple regions around the world.
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Speaker 7: It's very very scary if that is the reality. So
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Speaker 7: she can't do that. If she doesn't say that it
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Speaker 7: is true, then why is she the candidate not Joe Biden.
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Speaker 7: It's very messy. It reminds you a lot of the
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Speaker 7: situation that Julia Gillard and Kevin Rudd found themselves in
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Speaker 7: years ago, when Julia was trying to both defend the
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Speaker 7: record of Kevin Rudd but also defend the fact that
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Speaker 7: she just kniped him in the back weeks before an election.
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Speaker 7: And apparently the relationship between Carla and Joe Biden's people
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Speaker 7: is now probably a similar state of affairs as there
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Speaker 7: was there between Julia and Kevin all those years ago.
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Speaker 8: Sherry. I think on that one we actually have to
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Speaker 8: give it to Camalais. It was an awkward answer, but
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Speaker 8: it was the only answer she could give because, as
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Speaker 8: Matt said, if she said, oh, yes, I did notice
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Speaker 8: or note mental decline at a certain period, then the
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Speaker 8: entirety of the presidency that where or they are now
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Speaker 8: going through at the moment, and indeed her own vice
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Speaker 8: presidency would have all sorts of questions over it. It
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Speaker 8: was a killer question. Credit to the journal, magnificent question.
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Speaker 8: She actually answered it pretty well. Believe it or not.
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Speaker 2: I genuinely think he did such an excellent job. I
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Speaker 2: said he was going to you know, I said on
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Speaker 2: the show last night or the night before that I
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Speaker 2: didn't understand why Donald Trump was attacking Fox for doing
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Speaker 2: the interview because a lot of the other networks have
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Speaker 2: been doing pre records, They've been doing edits, refusing to
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Speaker 2: release transcripts afterwards. Brett Bay was always going to do
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Speaker 2: a tough interview. That was obvious. But it has exposed
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Speaker 2: her in a way. And you know a lot of
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Speaker 2: people today said, oh, he talked over her too much.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He had half an hour to do a
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Speaker 2: proper interview with potentially the next president of the free world.
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Speaker 2: We needed to get those answers out of her, and
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Speaker 2: I wish she would have answered his last question, you know,
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Speaker 2: he asked her about Iran and the billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: that went to Iran under the Biden administration and how
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Speaker 2: that has been used for terror by Hamas and HEZBLA,
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Speaker 2: and she just kept speaking over him because she wouldn't
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Speaker 2: have been able to answer that question. So good on
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Speaker 2: him for doing such a great interview and his team
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Speaker 2: probably all right, let's turn to negative gearing labor and
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Speaker 2: ps A backgrounding against the Prime Minister again, this after
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Speaker 2: his property splurge was revealed this week. Two insiders told
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Speaker 2: The Australian that there's now a renewed push for negative
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Speaker 2: gearing reforms. Richard Miles strongly shut down this speculation today.
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Speaker 1: Have a look, no jewels have been opened here. We're
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Speaker 1: not doing need of gearing. That's been made manifestly clear
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Speaker 1: and none of that has changed.
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Speaker 10: Okay, but negative gearing options are being worked up by Treasury,
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Speaker 10: but you're categorically ruling out any changes.
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Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I just did, and not only
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Speaker 1: have I done that, The Prime Minister has made that clear, Matt.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't kill it off though, right, it's off the
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Speaker 2: table until it's on the table, exactly right.
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Speaker 7: And we've now got a government where it's clearly divided,
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Speaker 7: and there are a bunch of people within the Labor
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Speaker 7: Party have lost complete confidence in the political strategy and
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Speaker 7: now of their current leader, the Prime Minister. So there
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Speaker 7: are clearly moves to think about a change of leader
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Speaker 7: before the next election. That's why clearly Jim Charmers leaked out.
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Speaker 7: I think I'm pretty sure it came from Jim or
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Speaker 7: Jim's people that these issues were being considered. You could
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Speaker 7: tell the Prime mister Bristle that that suggestion a few
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Speaker 7: weeks ago, and there will be this move for to
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Speaker 7: do something and I'll just be completely absurd, though, whyonn't
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Speaker 7: it chari that if we all face a higher tax
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Speaker 7: rate on property because the Prime Minister bought a house.
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Speaker 7: I mean, that's what's being argued for here by some
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Speaker 7: of these Labor and ps that because the Prime Minster
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Speaker 7: bought a mansion, we're going to put property taxes up
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Speaker 7: on everybody.
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Speaker 11: Why do we have to copy?
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Speaker 7: This is absurd? But the government is completely at sea
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Speaker 7: right now. We've got major challenges facing the world that
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Speaker 7: we've discussed. We've got some of the highest energy prices
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Speaker 7: in the world. This country, we're losing a manufacturing industry,
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Speaker 7: our housing. We can't provide houses for people, the people
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Speaker 7: living on the street in and the government is completely
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Speaker 7: at sea. They are lost and it's a bit of
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Speaker 7: a shame here. I don't see how they get through
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Speaker 7: the election like this. They're completely at odds with each other.
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Speaker 2: You don't see how they get through the election, as
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Speaker 2: in you think they're going to lose.
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Speaker 7: I think, well, I think there's that's definitely on the cards. Obviously,
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Speaker 7: I think it's very competitive. Obviously there's a challenge for
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Speaker 7: us to win a number of seats we need. But
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Speaker 7: it's hard to see how there's much of a choice
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Speaker 7: of this train people right now because the Labor Party
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Speaker 7: don't have a clear plan for this country. Is that
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Speaker 7: we've got a clear plan on housing. They're to cut migration.
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Speaker 7: We can let people use their superannuation to buy it.
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Speaker 9: Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Firstly, I'm going to cut government spending to bring that inflation.
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Speaker 7: We've got a plan.
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Speaker 2: These guys don't, basil, you know. I think the story
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Speaker 2: this week about the Prime Minister's purchase of the four
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Speaker 2: point three million dollar beach house, not even his main residence,
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Speaker 2: has cut through to Australians and it's just such a
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Speaker 2: terrible perception issue that the Prime Minister doesn't understand what
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Speaker 2: they're going through during a cost of living and housing
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Speaker 2: afidability crisis. Do you think this further derails the PM's
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Speaker 2: chance of winning a game.
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Speaker 8: There's no doubt about that. It was a bad look,
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Speaker 8: badly received by the Australian public at a time when
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Speaker 8: there's a housing crisis. We all know that in the
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Speaker 8: cost of living crisis on top, I got to say,
21:21
Speaker 8: I defend the Prime Minister's right, or any other politicians right.
21:24
Speaker 8: If they've done well put some money away, they can
21:27
Speaker 8: afford the deposit and they can make the repayments. Good
21:30
Speaker 8: luck to them. That's what we encourage in this country.
21:33
Speaker 8: We want people to work hard, create their own destiny,
21:36
Speaker 8: go for it and be able to do it. However,
21:38
Speaker 8: the timing absolutely appalling. I also thought, for what it's worth,
21:42
Speaker 8: Scott Morrison was entitled to take a holiday with his family.
21:45
Speaker 8: These two moments have been compared and I think the
21:48
Speaker 8: analogies are not far off. I think they're very similar
21:53
Speaker 8: in terms of the impact of that person standing with
21:56
Speaker 8: the Australian public, and that's just unfortunate for both of
21:59
Speaker 8: them as it turns out.
22:01
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be interested to see some research on it
22:03
Speaker 2: because this could be the moment that he loses the election,
22:07
Speaker 2: no question. All right, Matt Canavan, Basil Zemplus, great to
22:10
Speaker 2: see you both. All Right, Well, let's return to tonight's
22:14
Speaker 2: top story, where Nine Entertainment has been rocked by a
22:17
Speaker 2: bombshell report which found that the network has a systemic
22:20
Speaker 2: cultural issue with abuse of power, bullying, discrimination and sexual harassment.
22:26
Speaker 2: Let's bring in now the Daily Telegraph's chief entertainment writer,
22:29
Speaker 2: Jonathan Moran. Jonathan, thank you for joining us. Look, this
22:33
Speaker 2: is a very sad story, very sobering reading, really devastating.
22:39
Speaker 2: I know that you've been speaking with some of the
22:41
Speaker 2: women since May this year, as I have the women
22:44
Speaker 2: who've been brave enough to speak out about this and
22:48
Speaker 2: force this review to go ahead. But Jamo, what can
22:51
Speaker 2: you tell me about just how much anger there was
22:54
Speaker 2: today when the acting CEO Matt Stanton said that no
22:57
Speaker 2: one who is currently at the network would be held
23:00
Speaker 2: accountable despite repeat allegations.
23:07
Speaker 9: I personally think it's absolutely disgraceful, and that's what I'm
23:10
Speaker 9: hearing from multiple women that I'm talking to. The Fact is,
23:13
Speaker 9: they've very publicly released this report, very publicly gone out there,
23:17
Speaker 9: and surprisingly, I think many of us have been surprised
23:21
Speaker 9: by how open that is. It's dropped on the website,
23:24
Speaker 9: there's a statement that's gone out and we weren't sure
23:26
Speaker 9: what was going to happen, so that actually surprised me.
23:28
Speaker 9: It's like sitting at someone's Christmas lunch family table while
23:32
Speaker 9: of fight's going on and just watching it all laid
23:34
Speaker 9: bare in front of us. But what people are angry about,
23:37
Speaker 9: as you said rightly, is to release this report. And
23:41
Speaker 9: so we've made twenty two recommendations. But none of the
23:45
Speaker 9: people that are mentioned in the report, obviously they're not
23:48
Speaker 9: named because they've been taken out, are going to face
23:50
Speaker 9: any real accountability. I mean, what does that say about
23:54
Speaker 9: this report? The millions of dollars presumably that's gone into
23:57
Speaker 9: being conducting this report and to the people have put
24:00
Speaker 9: their hearts on the line to really relive this experience
24:04
Speaker 9: or these experiences that have gone on for years, decades.
24:08
Speaker 9: It's a very sad state of affairs.
24:10
Speaker 2: But also, you know, as journalists we always ask when
24:13
Speaker 2: did you know something was happening? At what point in time?
24:18
Speaker 2: The CEO, presumably the board now note that there are
24:22
Speaker 2: current employees who have repeat allegations against them of a
24:28
Speaker 2: serious nature. So how in good conscience can they continue
24:32
Speaker 2: employing these people without announcing? And you know, I understand
24:36
Speaker 2: the argument that there needs to be fair process, but
24:39
Speaker 2: without even commencing an investigation, how in good conscience can
24:43
Speaker 2: they continue to put staff in Dager in an unsafe environment.
24:51
Speaker 9: You would argue that this independent review is a fair
24:56
Speaker 9: due course of an investigation, wouldn't you, Sharry? I mean,
24:59
Speaker 9: it's it's just nonsensical to me that this isn't the
25:02
Speaker 9: first step in then taking the next steps to see
25:06
Speaker 9: how they take action. So the twenty two references that
25:11
Speaker 9: they've made are things like looking into their HR policies,
25:16
Speaker 9: revealing that they've done the review, owning it. But what
25:20
Speaker 9: does that actually mean for the people at the coal
25:23
Speaker 9: Face that are there still in the newsroom, still at
25:27
Speaker 9: the desk, still in the offices, feeling unsafe, feeling bullied,
25:31
Speaker 9: feeling hurt, and frankly, it's just not good enough and.
25:36
Speaker 2: The idea that, as Matt Stanton said to them today,
25:38
Speaker 2: if you want to make a complaint, you can now
25:41
Speaker 2: ring this hotline. It's not going to be the normal
25:43
Speaker 2: HR process as I understand it, there's another process, another
25:47
Speaker 2: hotlines because staff don't trust the regular HR process, so
25:52
Speaker 2: that people have to relive their trauma all over again.
25:57
Speaker 2: Surely that's unacceptable. When the when the company promised accountability,
26:02
Speaker 2: they held this review, they asked victims to come forward,
26:04
Speaker 2: and now they're saying to them, well, if you want action,
26:07
Speaker 2: you have to do it all over again. How can
26:10
Speaker 2: that be the process that this media company is following.
26:15
Speaker 9: It is unbelievable. I do have to say that they
26:18
Speaker 9: have fallen on their sword, so to speak, like this
26:21
Speaker 9: is a very damning, damning, damning report. It could not
26:25
Speaker 9: have been worse for them, really, I would say.
26:28
Speaker 11: So.
26:28
Speaker 9: They're not hidden from that.
26:30
Speaker 2: And if you read through it's.
26:31
Speaker 9: Eighty pages, If you read through the statements that are
26:35
Speaker 9: made about the treatment of women, the ogling of them,
26:39
Speaker 9: all of that stuff, the bullying is extreme. And even
26:44
Speaker 9: executives that I've spoken to today at nine were shocked
26:48
Speaker 9: at the depths to which this report has gone.
26:51
Speaker 2: But you're right, what's next?
26:54
Speaker 9: And if you were a victim or an alleged victim
26:57
Speaker 9: of this behavior, you would have thought that this independent
27:02
Speaker 9: review would have been that first step, and that that
27:05
Speaker 9: information that they've gone through and bravely recounted would factor
27:09
Speaker 9: into what the next steps would be. It is just unbelievable.
27:13
Speaker 2: I think one of the other really sad things that
27:16
Speaker 2: you read in the report, and of course we did
27:19
Speaker 2: report this at the time back in May, that a
27:21
Speaker 2: lot of the allegations had been known to some people
27:24
Speaker 2: but had been swept under the rig, had been covered up,
27:27
Speaker 2: but that finding that we reported, that finding was in
27:30
Speaker 2: the report today. It found that people were told not
27:33
Speaker 2: to go to HR, that one female colleague came to
27:38
Speaker 2: someone who'd experienced sexual harassment the night before and said
27:42
Speaker 2: to her, don't report this, don't take it further. So again,
27:46
Speaker 2: that cover up is so damning and it's so damaging,
27:50
Speaker 2: and it contributes to that unsafe work environment.
27:56
Speaker 9: Yeah, and people are told if you come forward, then
27:58
Speaker 9: you're never going to work again. And the fact is
28:01
Speaker 9: that these are the people that make those decisions their
28:03
Speaker 9: few jobs, and that's it. So the people that I've
28:07
Speaker 9: spoken to a number of people who don't work there anymore.
28:11
Speaker 9: Their careers are over financially, they're struggling, what do they do?
28:15
Speaker 9: Their mental health is broken. It's a very sad state
28:19
Speaker 9: of affairs. So yeah, I mean what is next is
28:24
Speaker 9: the massive question is what these people can do either
28:27
Speaker 9: to ask for more assistance to do what can they
28:32
Speaker 9: do with what this report has found? As I said,
28:36
Speaker 9: it's very damning.
28:37
Speaker 2: It is indeed, and Jamo, we appreciate your time to
28:40
Speaker 2: help us break it down tonight. In just a final
28:42
Speaker 2: shout out to the brave, courageous women and the one
28:45
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty two people in total, current and former
28:48
Speaker 2: staff who went through the trauma of having to relive
28:51
Speaker 2: those experiences for this review. Right, plenty more to come tonight.
28:55
Speaker 2: Australia's birth rate hits rock bottom as the cost of
28:58
Speaker 2: living source. This means for our economic future. I'll talk
29:02
Speaker 2: about that with my panel Holly Hughes, Jason Morrison later,
29:05
Speaker 2: but first, the only Australian politician in Lebanon's parliament. He's
29:09
Speaker 2: going to join us live from Beirut and he'll speak
29:12
Speaker 2: about why he's fighting against Hesbalah. That's after the break.
29:21
Speaker 2: Welcome back. Well, let's cross live now to Lebanon, where
29:24
Speaker 2: Ihab Mata joins me live. Ihab is a proud Australian citizen.
29:29
Speaker 2: But Ihab, you felt a duty three years ago to
29:34
Speaker 2: join the Lebanese Parliament to run for elections. Can you
29:38
Speaker 2: tell me how you came to be a politician in Lebanon.
29:42
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, a very good evening to you, Sherry,
29:45
Speaker 12: very good evening to the audience and to all Australians now. Obviously,
29:49
Speaker 12: being of Tibonese origin, I'm agree to Australia. Forty years
29:53
Speaker 12: ago and along the way, I was following this situation
29:56
Speaker 12: in Lebanon, and I felt pity for the situation in Lebanon,
30:00
Speaker 12: the corruption on every level, economic and political. In twenty nineteen,
30:05
Speaker 12: there was a political revolution in Lebanon where the people
30:10
Speaker 12: said enough is enough and we felt that the time
30:13
Speaker 12: was right for a new blood to be taken over
30:17
Speaker 12: the political life in Lebanon. So, by the time election
30:21
Speaker 12: was due in twenty twenty two, I felt a sense
30:24
Speaker 12: of obligation towards my country to play a role in
30:27
Speaker 12: the new political pass and party, if you like, so
30:32
Speaker 12: I decided to return to Lebanon to play this role.
30:36
Speaker 12: I ran as an independent, I was at the head
30:39
Speaker 12: of a ticket and I got elected for many reasons,
30:44
Speaker 12: and one of the reasons that I was elected for
30:47
Speaker 12: was the fact that I am actually an Australian. I
30:50
Speaker 12: spent a lot of my time in Australia. People believe
30:53
Speaker 12: that Australia is one of the best countries in the world,
30:56
Speaker 12: if not the best, and obviously I felt that I
30:59
Speaker 12: was ready to take this journey because of my experience
31:04
Speaker 12: and my tim spent in Australia, where I was able
31:07
Speaker 12: to learn about food management, I was able to learn
31:10
Speaker 12: that a politician is there to serve the people. I
31:15
Speaker 12: learned that integrity and the transparency in public life is
31:18
Speaker 12: the key to success. And two years on, I'm still
31:22
Speaker 12: here being a dependent, remaining dependent and then trying to
31:26
Speaker 12: fight for a better future for my country.
31:29
Speaker 2: Anie, have you've been very courageous because you've publicly spoken
31:34
Speaker 2: out against the terror organization Hesbela. I mean, presumably that
31:39
Speaker 2: would endanger put you in danger as well. Your family
31:42
Speaker 2: is with you in Lebanon, and why are you taking
31:46
Speaker 2: a public position and speaking out against Hesbela.
31:51
Speaker 12: Well, look, for a long time, the majority of Yoganese
31:55
Speaker 12: people believe that we need to have a strong government.
31:59
Speaker 12: We need to the government that is uh overpowering, and
32:04
Speaker 12: then there is ruling in Lebanon. Most of Lebanese people
32:08
Speaker 12: believe that the WAYLA exists in its form, its armed form,
32:13
Speaker 12: is out of the state. So what I'm saying now
32:18
Speaker 12: is something that I've always said, even before entering public life,
32:21
Speaker 12: and that's something that I will continue to say, not
32:25
Speaker 12: to criticize as Babla per se, but to try and
32:27
Speaker 12: then advise them to return back to become a political party.
32:32
Speaker 12: It disarmed, a political party and player role like all parties.
32:36
Speaker 12: You can be in opposition, you can be you know,
32:39
Speaker 12: like a coalition, but the existence of an armed mini
32:43
Speaker 12: state within the official state is unacceptable.
32:47
Speaker 2: This will be difficult to demilitarize Hezbala though I wanted.
32:51
Speaker 2: I mean, Israel has taken out a lot of its leadership,
32:54
Speaker 2: of course, including Hassan Israela, but Iran continues to fund
32:58
Speaker 2: the growth.
33:00
Speaker 12: Yeah, well, I think, you know, obviously if hits the
33:04
Speaker 12: men on the head. The main issue here is not
33:07
Speaker 12: the conflict between Israel and Lebanon per se.
33:11
Speaker 2: But we believe that this is.
33:12
Speaker 12: The conflict between Israel and Iran that has been played
33:16
Speaker 12: out on Lebanese soil because the because of the existence
33:21
Speaker 12: of fasball Lave belonging to Iran. And this is what
33:24
Speaker 12: we are trying to say as politicians, we are trying
33:27
Speaker 12: to speak to isabel Lah to make some sense and
33:30
Speaker 12: to them and then encouraging them to come back to
33:36
Speaker 12: being Lebanese, come back to obviously address the interest of
33:41
Speaker 12: Lebanon and then the people of Lebanon and then detached
33:46
Speaker 12: from Iran because what Iran is doing for his ball
33:50
Speaker 12: Lah is obviously utilizing them to their benefit. And then
33:54
Speaker 12: this is this is becoming a very high and very
33:57
Speaker 12: expensive cost. We have Lebanese villians that have been killed,
34:02
Speaker 12: We have obviously tons of people who have been displaced.
34:07
Speaker 12: We have more than one point five million that have
34:10
Speaker 12: been displaced. We have obviously a large area of the
34:13
Speaker 12: South Blon that has been demolished. So hopefully this is
34:18
Speaker 12: time for Hesbelah to say, well, I want the interest
34:21
Speaker 12: of Lebanon. Therefore I need to be playing the role
34:25
Speaker 12: of the Lebanese party and then try to detach from Iran.
34:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, the suffering for the Lebanese people has been devastating
34:34
Speaker 2: no question, the UN Security Council Resolution seventeen oh one
34:39
Speaker 2: that came into effect after the Second Lebanon War in
34:41
Speaker 2: two thousand and six was meant to keep southern Lebanon demilitarized.
34:46
Speaker 2: It was meant to keep Hesbola north of the Latany River.
34:50
Speaker 2: Are you critical of the UN for failing to ensure
34:55
Speaker 2: that Hesbela did stay north and wasn't in a position
34:59
Speaker 2: to start attacking Israel as it did on October eighth
35:02
Speaker 2: last year?
35:05
Speaker 12: Look to be quite quite honest with you, Sherry, I
35:08
Speaker 12: criticize both parties because post parties did not fully implement
35:13
Speaker 12: and then apply Resolutions seventeen oh one from two thousand
35:18
Speaker 12: and six. So now, obviously we believe that we need
35:22
Speaker 12: to go back to just obeying the resolution, all your
35:28
Speaker 12: resolutions starting by the seventeen oh one and full deployment
35:32
Speaker 12: of the Lebanese Army of Litani. But at the same time,
35:35
Speaker 12: we want Israel to be respected different implementation of seventeen
35:39
Speaker 12: oh one because we know and then we acknowledge the
35:42
Speaker 12: violation of the seventeen oh one have occurred from both
35:45
Speaker 12: parties since two thousand and six until now. So the
35:49
Speaker 12: criticism is for all involved both parties to come back
35:53
Speaker 12: and then obviously no solution in the area, no truths
35:56
Speaker 12: in the area will happen, No sense of stability will
35:59
Speaker 12: have open for the people on both sides if we
36:04
Speaker 12: continue to go through a ward and then continue to
36:08
Speaker 12: use weapons as a mean of trying to enforce our opinion.
36:14
Speaker 12: I believe there's no solution but the diplomatic and the
36:17
Speaker 12: political solutions and obviously driven by the UN.
36:22
Speaker 2: All right, Ahabmata, really appreciate your thoughts and for joining
36:26
Speaker 2: us from Beirut, and we hope you stay safe now
36:31
Speaker 2: still to come after the break. Why the housing crisis
36:34
Speaker 2: is impacting on the birth rate. Jason Morrison and Holly
36:38
Speaker 2: Hughes would join me next and later we're going to
36:41
Speaker 2: return to Kamala Harrison's Fox News interview. Adam Crichton will
36:44
Speaker 2: be on live from Washington, So stay tuned. Welcome back. Well,
36:52
Speaker 2: let's bring it now, commentated Jason Morrison and Liberal Senator
36:55
Speaker 2: Holly Hughes. And Holly, of course you're at home because
36:58
Speaker 2: the city in Sydney is basically shut down after that
37:03
Speaker 2: horrific accident on the Harbor Bridge this afternoon. Two people died,
37:08
Speaker 2: so very tragic accident, but yet one accident on the
37:11
Speaker 2: bridge and it shuts down the whole of Sydney. Let's
37:14
Speaker 2: start with the declining birth rate, because we read today
37:18
Speaker 2: that the extent of the housing crisis is now being
37:21
Speaker 2: blamed for Australia's flatlining birth rate. We've hit the lowest
37:25
Speaker 2: birth rate in modern record, only two hundred and eighty
37:27
Speaker 2: seven thousand babies born last year, so that's a rate
37:31
Speaker 2: of one point five per woman. Jason, it's not surprising
37:36
Speaker 2: that in this cost of living crisis, people are now saying,
37:39
Speaker 2: can that actually afford to have more children?
37:41
Speaker 11: I'm not surprised at that we've been suffering a replacement
37:45
Speaker 11: issue in Australia for a long time number of babies born.
37:48
Speaker 11: For people who's just been going down, the birth rate's
37:50
Speaker 11: going down, they're not always the same thing because we
37:52
Speaker 11: have to keep bringing people into this country to sort
37:55
Speaker 11: of service it, and we're kind of making up reasons
37:59
Speaker 11: to boost the population without looking at our own issues.
38:01
Speaker 11: But I think it's deeper than just cost of living.
38:05
Speaker 11: I actually think society has devalued motherhood a bit, and
38:09
Speaker 11: in many respects women are kind of told that motherhood's
38:13
Speaker 11: an end of a career and it comes out and
38:17
Speaker 11: it's said so often. And I know my own wife,
38:20
Speaker 11: I think once wrote quite a courageous piece for the
38:22
Speaker 11: newspaper you're working for at the time, where she sort
38:24
Speaker 11: of said, the moment you go on maternity leave, all
38:26
Speaker 11: thenyone wants to know is when you're coming back, not
38:28
Speaker 11: what are you going to do? How long you be
38:30
Speaker 11: with your kids? And I think we do have an
38:32
Speaker 11: issue that is bigger than just the cost of living
38:35
Speaker 11: and whatever else. It is our attitude to motherhood and
38:38
Speaker 11: its place in society, and I reckon that's something a
38:41
Speaker 11: country like ours needs to talk about.
38:43
Speaker 2: I think there's some truth to that. We see in society,
38:45
Speaker 2: this push to get babies into childcare, often as early
38:49
Speaker 2: as possible. The governments are obsessed with childcare hotly, so
38:53
Speaker 2: I think there is some truth to that. But there's
38:54
Speaker 2: also no question that some families might have chosen to
38:58
Speaker 2: have two or three children, even more, but they just
39:01
Speaker 2: can't afford it. It's too expensive, particularly in the major citis.
39:06
Speaker 4: But I think Jason's right. I think Jason's absolutely hit
39:09
Speaker 4: the nail on the head. We have devalued motherhood. And interestingly,
39:13
Speaker 4: Jason Lowe in contrast what your life experienced. When I
39:16
Speaker 4: first went on maternity with my baby in politics from
39:20
Speaker 4: a woman with no children, the comment was, we're going
39:24
Speaker 4: to miss you so much, but you know you might
39:26
Speaker 4: be back in sixteen or eighteen years. And I remember
39:29
Speaker 4: turning around her saying, I'm having a baby. But the
39:35
Speaker 4: expectation was that I would leave and not come back
39:39
Speaker 4: at all. But I look, I have my one for mum,
39:44
Speaker 4: one for dad, one for the country. And every time
39:46
Speaker 4: I see Peter Costello, I say to him, where do
39:49
Speaker 4: I send my one the country.
39:52
Speaker 12: To get that information?
39:54
Speaker 4: He's about to turn fourteen a little bit.
39:57
Speaker 12: My favorite.
39:58
Speaker 2: So let's not say that, you know, I think we.
40:03
Speaker 4: Have devalued motherhood with devalued children.
40:06
Speaker 12: I think the.
40:07
Speaker 4: Rise of the mummy blogger and how terrible motherhood is
40:11
Speaker 4: and how challenging it is and how hard it is
40:13
Speaker 4: has actually made women think maybe I really.
40:16
Speaker 9: Don't want to do this.
40:17
Speaker 4: I don't know about your wife, Jason yu Sharhi. I
40:21
Speaker 4: just wanted my babies, and I was going to have
40:25
Speaker 4: my babies whatever it costs. And I have one with
40:27
Speaker 4: a disability before the NBAS and let me tell you
40:30
Speaker 4: they cost a lot of money.
40:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I agree with your motherhood absolute best job
40:36
Speaker 2: in the world. Couldn't not.
40:38
Speaker 11: I'm sorry, but yeah, really, I am very hard to
40:42
Speaker 11: be that because I must say I sat in the
40:44
Speaker 11: car think and am I going to say this because
40:46
Speaker 11: as a dude, you're not allowed to have these comments.
40:48
Speaker 11: But I actually think this is a real fundamental societal issue.
40:51
Speaker 11: And we've turned it into a women's issue. It's actually
40:53
Speaker 11: a bigger issue than that.
40:55
Speaker 4: It's a family issue. It's a family is yeah, and
40:58
Speaker 4: childcare is a family issue. All of these things are
41:02
Speaker 4: a family issue, not a women's issue. And until we
41:04
Speaker 4: start speaking about them in noise terms, yes, good point,
41:07
Speaker 4: come up against the same wall.
41:09
Speaker 2: Good point. All right, Well, let's have a look at
41:11
Speaker 2: Tony Burke because he has canceled the visa of a
41:16
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian professor. But he's tonight under pressure to remove
41:20
Speaker 2: a labor pointed member of the Council for the National
41:23
Speaker 2: Gallery of Australia who accused Israel of committing genocide. In
41:28
Speaker 2: social media posts, Abdul Rahm and Abdullah accused Israel of
41:31
Speaker 2: conducting a holocaust against the Palestinian people. He called on
41:36
Speaker 2: Israel's opponents to end this sickness and end Zionism. Jason
41:41
Speaker 2: Tony Burke has to act here. Shirley got to go.
41:44
Speaker 11: Shouldn't have been there in the first place. You scratched
41:46
Speaker 11: the surface with unfortunately too many so called Islamic leaders,
41:50
Speaker 11: and you find a Jew hater, and you find people
41:52
Speaker 11: that hate Australia, and this guy is one of them.
41:54
Speaker 11: He doesn't like Jews and he don't like Australia very much.
41:57
Speaker 11: So I don't know why we reward them. Look has
42:00
Speaker 11: a problem. We seem to let communities decide, you know,
42:07
Speaker 11: this guy should be our representative. They're often not the
42:09
Speaker 11: representative I had for many years, and you'd know this
42:12
Speaker 11: Kaiser Trade. I had huge dramas with Kais of Trade.
42:14
Speaker 11: We went to the High Court over Kais of Trade
42:16
Speaker 11: over deformations because I knew he was a person who
42:18
Speaker 11: had particular views which I thought were disgusting and repugnant,
42:21
Speaker 11: and thankfully the court agreed. But governments kept putting him
42:25
Speaker 11: on boards and it got to the point where you
42:27
Speaker 11: almost had to keep sending them the judgment from the
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Speaker 11: court to say, why are you promoting this man? He
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Speaker 11: is not representative of mainstream Islamic views. He's representative of
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Speaker 11: a perverted view of it. This guy's one of them too.
42:38
Speaker 11: Shouldn't be there, Tony Burke, wake up, grow up and
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Speaker 11: grow a set and get rid of him.
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Speaker 2: Really, Holly, do you give Tony Burke credit firstly for
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Speaker 2: canceling the visa of the pro Palestinian professor? And do
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Speaker 2: you think he should also act in this case.
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Speaker 4: I don't give anyone credit for canceling the visa of
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Speaker 4: someone after they've left the country. I think to try
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Speaker 4: and claim credit when the guy's already left the country.
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Speaker 4: The issue is he should never have been given a
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Speaker 4: visa in the first place. And I think disappointment. And
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Speaker 4: I'm going to bet my bottom dollar on Tony Burke's
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Speaker 4: in action says more about his bid to keep his
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Speaker 4: seat in Southwest Sydney than it does about his respect
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Speaker 4: for the Australian people.
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Speaker 12: Our culture, our way of life.
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Speaker 4: It is absolute appeasement at the worst level that we're
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Speaker 4: consistently seeing from this Albanese government, and no one is
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Speaker 4: more flagrant with it than Tony Burke, probably only closely
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Speaker 4: followed by Jason Clair and Ed Husick.
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Speaker 2: It's extraordinary that Tony Burke given his attitudes to this issue,
43:41
Speaker 2: and we know that over a long period of time,
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Speaker 2: is now the minister in charge of visas. It's a
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Speaker 2: scary thought. All right, Jason Morris and Holly Hughes, thank
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Speaker 2: you both very much for your time. Now still to come,
43:53
Speaker 2: we'll cross live to Washington for more analysis on Kamala
43:56
Speaker 2: Harris's interview today with Fox News. Was it worth the
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Speaker 2: risk for her? I'll talk about it with Adam Crichton
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Speaker 2: after the break. All right, well, let's return to Kamala
44:09
Speaker 2: Harris's interview on Fox News, and let's bring in Adam
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Speaker 2: Crichton the Australians Washington corresponded, Adam, good to see you.
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Speaker 2: I thought this was a sensational interview. I just want
44:20
Speaker 2: to start with the moment where Brett Bayer pressed Kamala
44:24
Speaker 2: Harris on her past comments around gender reassignment surgeries for
44:29
Speaker 2: people who are inmates. Let's have a look at that.
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Speaker 4: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes from prisoners.
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Speaker 6: Surgery for prisoners. For prisoners, every transgender in me in
44:43
Speaker 6: the prison system would have access.
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Speaker 5: So are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars
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Speaker 5: to help prison inmates or detain the illegal aliens to
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Speaker 5: transition to another gender.
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Speaker 6: I will follow the law. And it's a law that
44:58
Speaker 6: Donald Trump actually followed. You're probably familiar with. Now it's
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Speaker 6: a public report, Adam.
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Speaker 2: That interview just produced so many gold moments. I wish
45:07
Speaker 2: it would have gone for an hour. I was glued.
45:10
Speaker 2: I wanted it to go home for longer. But that
45:12
Speaker 2: was just yet another example of a question she couldn't answer.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, look, that's basically right. She hardly answered any questions
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Speaker 10: at all. I think in the thirty minute interview, I
45:24
Speaker 10: don't think anyone watching that really learned anything about her
45:27
Speaker 10: position on anything. And actually, just after she was asked
45:30
Speaker 10: that question about the reassignment surgery, she became quite upset.
45:33
Speaker 10: I thought she was almost going to cry at one point.
45:35
Speaker 10: At least that's what I thought, and many social media
45:37
Speaker 10: users thought the same thing. It was a difficult certainly
45:42
Speaker 10: a difficult.
45:42
Speaker 2: Experience for her.
45:43
Speaker 10: It was very confrontational, very adversarial, and she finally faced
45:47
Speaker 10: some tough questions. And you know, throughout her career, she
45:49
Speaker 10: hasn't really done many interviews like that, and I think
45:52
Speaker 10: that's what the problem was. That's what really showed up
45:54
Speaker 10: in that interview.
45:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's turn to another moment now where Brett
45:58
Speaker 2: Baya was trying to ask her about the threat from Iran.
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Speaker 5: Have a look, Critics just say that you either relaxed
46:05
Speaker 5: or failed to enforced sanctions on Iran, allowing all of
46:09
Speaker 5: this money to flow into Iran like billions.
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Speaker 2: Let's go back to Donald Trump. Hold on who pulled out?
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Speaker 6: Who pulled out of a deal that would have actually put.
46:18
Speaker 2: But here ran in check the estimates and billions.
46:21
Speaker 6: During Donald Trump's administer that ran regime, that we had
46:26
Speaker 6: an American military base that was attacked.
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Speaker 2: It was such an important question from Brett Bayer the
46:34
Speaker 2: billions that went to Iran that were part of funding
46:37
Speaker 2: Harmas and HEZBLA. And she didn't answer what role her
46:41
Speaker 2: administration played in this. Yeah, look, certainly that.
46:46
Speaker 10: Was a good part of the interview where you see
46:48
Speaker 10: the Trump arrangement syndrome of her on full display. I mean,
46:51
Speaker 10: you'd have to say, you know, probably fifteen minutes of
46:53
Speaker 10: the interview, she would talk about Donald Trump's rhetoric, how
46:56
Speaker 10: it horribly is, what a bad person is, how it
46:58
Speaker 10: was his fault in the Middle East, and on immigration
47:02
Speaker 10: and basically on everything I mean, she refused to concede
47:05
Speaker 10: any responsibility whatsoever, for instance, for the illegal immigration over
47:09
Speaker 10: the southern border.
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Speaker 12: That's how the.
47:10
Speaker 10: Interview started, and it started badly, and look at my view,
47:13
Speaker 10: I think it went downhill from there. I mean, interestingly,
47:15
Speaker 10: it hasn't really moved the political betting markets at all.
47:18
Speaker 10: I thought it might have in Donald Trump's favor, but
47:20
Speaker 10: they haven't moved at all overnight, So perhaps it's a wash.
47:24
Speaker 10: You know, we're at the stage of the campaign where
47:26
Speaker 10: people that like I say she did great and was feisty,
47:29
Speaker 10: and people that don't like I say, you know, she
47:31
Speaker 10: was angry and not very good. So look, my view
47:36
Speaker 10: is like though, is that I don't think she'll be
47:37
Speaker 10: doing any more Fox interviews in the next few weeks.
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Speaker 2: Well, it's amazing she even did one of them, But
47:43
Speaker 2: you know, I think a lot of people in the
47:45
Speaker 2: commentariat turn their noses up at Fox News. And this
47:49
Speaker 2: was the only proper interview we've seen, the only interview
47:53
Speaker 2: where she was asked for tough questions about her record,
47:56
Speaker 2: about what she knew about Joe Biden's mental acuity, about
48:00
Speaker 2: how her record would actually be different from Joe Biden's
48:03
Speaker 2: with follow up questions, and it has exposed her for
48:08
Speaker 2: lacking in substance.
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Speaker 9: Adam.
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Speaker 10: Yes, that's right. And as you say, why did she
48:15
Speaker 10: do the interview in the first place, That's probably the
48:17
Speaker 10: more interesting question. I mean, a few weeks ago, no
48:19
Speaker 10: one would have expected this, and I think it smacks
48:22
Speaker 10: of desperation in the campaign. I mean, we're seeing now
48:26
Speaker 10: in the final weeks of the campaign, the polls are
48:27
Speaker 10: really narrowing, and of course we know from twenty sixteen
48:30
Speaker 10: and twenty twenty that those poles are systematically in favor
48:33
Speaker 10: of Democrat. Yes, the last few.
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Speaker 2: Weeks for her. Yeah, all right, we're out of time, Adam.
48:37
Speaker 2: And by the way, how annoying was it how she
48:39
Speaker 2: kept saying, let me be clear, let me be clear,
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Speaker 2: let me be clear, and then she wasn't clear. Here's
48:44
Speaker 2: to a man now who's always clear. Poor Murray.