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Inside the OIG Interview: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 4-6) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the
• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to dive right
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: back in to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG inspectors. Question, okay,
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: do you know why Epstein was assigned to the shoe? Noel, no. Question,
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: did anyone ever tell you it was because he was
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: a risk for suicide or a safety concern? Noel, no. Question, no.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: We're going to get into this a little later. But
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: do you know what the hot list is? Noelle, um,
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: are those? I think the hot list is like, how
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  Speaker 1: should I say? Like inmates that are like, inmates that
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  Speaker 1: are like, gets cut off. I'm going to show you
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: this and ask you if you ever received this training either. Noelle, uh-huh. Question.
• 0:49
  Speaker 1: Or if you've ever seen it. This will spell out
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  Speaker 1: exactly what the hot list is. Noelle, okay. Redacted. So
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: this is the MCC, New York. Special Housing Unit. This
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: one is Special Housing Unit Management Suicide Prevention. Noelle. Uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: So can you just have? There's two different tabs. The
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  Speaker 1: first one is going to say. Redacted. Just read it
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  Speaker 1: for the record. Shoe hot list identifies inmates with mental
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  Speaker 1: health condition who may become dangerous, self-destructive, or suicidal when
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  Speaker 1: placed into the shoe. Noelle. Uh-huh. Question. And did you
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: know that? Noelle, no. Question. So, do you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about when I say hot list? There was
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: a list in the shoe. Noelle, no. I actually thought
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  Speaker 1: the hot list was something else. Like that was on
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  Speaker 1: the computer. No. I don't know that. Question. Okay. Then
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  Speaker 1: it talks about when someone is on the hot list,
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  Speaker 1: it's supposed to be a special notation on the hot list.
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  Speaker 1: A special notation on the cell door. And there's also
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: a special notation on the shoe board. Noelle, there was
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: never none of that. Question, so did you ever? Can
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  Speaker 1: you just take a look quickly? You don't have to
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: look through that. Just basically the two tabs as well
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  Speaker 1: as the front. Noelle, uh-huh. Question, was that ever provided
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  Speaker 1: to you? Did you ever see this? Noelle, no. Question, no. Okay. Foy,
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  Speaker 1: do you want her to initial? Question, if you could, yeah.
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: You can do it on the top of the page. No, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: the front page. Redacted, on the front page. Floyd, just
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  Speaker 1: the first page. Noelle, oh. Question, and do you know
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  Speaker 1: who would have been required to provide you that? Information, no.
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  Speaker 1: And no one discussed that with you? Noelle, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did anyone ever discuss the hot list with you? Noelle, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: had you ever heard of the term hot list? Noelle, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: you never even heard the term? Noel, I thought that
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  Speaker 1: hot list was like inmates that were like, um, like
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: the inmates that were up on 10 South, like those
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  Speaker 1: high inmates, like El Chapo and those types of inmates. Redacted, sure. Noel,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I thought hot list was. Redacted, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: because you brought up 10 South, what's 10 South? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: the level above shoe? Redacted, and is that a specialized unit?
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  Speaker 1: that are even more secure than the shoe? Noelle, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and can you just explain to me a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about who goes there? What the cell makeup is? Are
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  Speaker 1: there cameras in each individual cell? Noelle, I don't know. Question, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know? Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay. Are inmates that
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: are in those cells only one inmate per cell? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Question, and are they monitored 24-7? Noelle, yes. Question, okay.
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: but you don't know how they're monitored. Noelle, no. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but they're like a terrorist, high profile, drugs. Noelle, yeah. Question, okay,
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: and that's one floor above where the shoe is. Noelle, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is it kind of the general location of the shoe though? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: it's upstairs. Question, can you get to it through the shoe? Noelle, yes. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: and would it be considered? I know it's 10 South
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  Speaker 1: and it's unique, but is it also part of the
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  Speaker 1: General's shoe? Noel, I mean, when you come into the shoe,
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  Speaker 1: you go up the stairs and it's right there. Redacted, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Can you get to it by other means? Noel, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: so you have to go through the shoe. Noel, go
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  Speaker 1: through the shoe. Question, okay. And how many correctional officers
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  Speaker 1: are placed in 10 South? Noel, one. Redacted one. Noel, uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: There is no way in or out other than the shoe? Noel? Uh-huh,
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  Speaker 1: through the shoe. Redacted. Okay, so when you come in
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  Speaker 1: and out, do the officers that are working in the shoe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where you are working, are you the ones
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  Speaker 1: that have to allow them to get in and out
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  Speaker 1: of the shoe? Noel, yes. Question. Okay, do you recall
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  Speaker 1: who was working on 10 South on August 9th or 10th? Noelle, redacted. Question, redacted. Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Was that August 9th or 10th or both? Noelle, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about the 9th, but the 10th. Question, that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: And some of this stuff, redacted probably at some point,
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  Speaker 1: give you a list of the people so you can
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  Speaker 1: refer to like the roster. Okay. Question, you know you
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  Speaker 1: can recall that way if you remember that those people
• 5:46
  Speaker 1: were in Indeterminable. Noelle, okay. Question, but you did say
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  Speaker 1: that Epstein was assigned to the SHU on August 9th
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  Speaker 1: and August 10th, 2019. Noel, yes. Question, okay, and he
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  Speaker 1: was assigned to the SHU on the days leading up
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  Speaker 1: to the August 9th, 2019? Noel, yes. Question, okay. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know approximately how long Epstein was assigned to the SHU? Noel, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: was he assigned to the SHU for the most part
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  Speaker 1: of when you were doing your assignments in the SHU? Noel,
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  Speaker 1: when I came back and I was working there? Question, correct. Noel, yes. Question, yes. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so does July and August sound about right that he
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: was in the shoe? Noel, uh-huh. Question, yes. What was
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  Speaker 1: Epstein's routine while he was assigned to the shoe? We
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  Speaker 1: talked about it briefly. He was with his attorneys and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So was that like daily routine? Can you just tell
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  Speaker 1: me when he would come and go? and when he
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  Speaker 1: would be in the shoe and not be in the shoe. Noelle, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I come in at 2 and I come in at 4,
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  Speaker 1: so when I come in, he's not there. He would
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  Speaker 1: come back like around after 8 p.m. Question, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: did you typically work after 8 p.m.? So you come
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  Speaker 1: in at 2 or 4, when would you typically work until? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: 2 to 10 or 4 to midnight. Question, and then
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  Speaker 1: you would typically do overtime shifts after that? Noel, no,
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  Speaker 1: because I usually do it on the front end. Question, okay. Noel,
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  Speaker 1: so I usually come in at 8 to 4 and
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  Speaker 1: do 4 to 12. Redacted, and when you would come
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  Speaker 1: in at 8 to 4, would he be gone already? Noel, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: but he would come back around, so he would be
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  Speaker 1: gone before 8 a.m. and come back around 8 p.m.? Noel, uh-huh. Question,
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  Speaker 1: would he eat while he was in the shoe? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: he gets common fare. That's all I know. I don't
• 7:44
  Speaker 1: know if he eats it, but he gets common fare. Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: would that be something you supplied after 8 p.m.? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: when he comes back, yeah. Question, okay. What time is
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  Speaker 1: typically feeding time in the evening? Noelle, um, after four. Question,
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: and so because he was away, would he have an
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  Speaker 1: individual tray that was saved for him or provided when
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: he returned? Noelle, yes. Question, okay. And would you provide
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: that trade to him? Noelle, not necessarily me, just whomever. Question,
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  Speaker 1: did you ever? Noelle, yes. Question, okay, did you provide
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  Speaker 1: that to him on August 9th? Noelle, yes. Question, you
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  Speaker 1: were the one who did? Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay, did
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  Speaker 1: you ever have any communication with Epstein during his stay
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  Speaker 1: at the MCC? Noelle, no. Question, never any conversation at all? Noelle, no. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you even... Verbally say hello, hello back, anything like that. Noel,
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  Speaker 1: he was in the shower to make a phone call.
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  Speaker 1: And he was calling because he wanted to come out
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  Speaker 1: of the shower. And I told him that he had
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  Speaker 1: to wait because there were other inmates out. And you
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  Speaker 1: can't move them and them out at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only conversation I ever had with him. Redacted.
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  Speaker 1: And redacted, get into that. But what was the phone
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  Speaker 1: call on August 9th, 2019? Noel, yes. Question, okay, but
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  Speaker 1: when would you provide food? or any time he would
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  Speaker 1: come back after 8 p.m., even when he was coming
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  Speaker 1: in or out, you wouldn't even say hello? Noelle, no. Question, no. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: For the one interaction you can think of with the
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  Speaker 1: phone call, do you remember if that was a positive
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  Speaker 1: or negative interaction? Do you remember it at all? Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: it was regular. Question, regular. Noelle, uh-huh. Question, did he
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: seem upset? Noelle, no. Question, abnormal. Anything out of the ordinary? Noel, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: what were your instructions with regard to Epstein being assigned
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  Speaker 1: to the SHU? Noel, there were no instructions. Question, so
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  Speaker 1: no one said Epstein was a high priority there? Pay
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  Speaker 1: closer attention to him? Noel, no. Question, all right. So
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  Speaker 1: even when you had that interaction with one individual who
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  Speaker 1: told you that he was a high profile person, that
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  Speaker 1: he was in the news all the time, there was
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  Speaker 1: never discussions about what we need to do to pay
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  Speaker 1: close attention to him? Noelle, no. Question, and Lieutenant Redacted,
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  Speaker 1: you said was the lieutenant in the shoe. He never
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  Speaker 1: told you to pay special attention to Epstein? Noelle, no. Question, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: was Epstein assigned any cellmates when he was assigned to
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  Speaker 1: the shoe? Noelle, yes. Question, and do you know when
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  Speaker 1: he was assigned to the shoe? Was he always assigned
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  Speaker 1: a cellmate? Noelle, um, I just know that he had
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: two cellmates. Question, okay, two different ones? Noelle, yeah. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all right, did anyone ever speak with you about Epstein
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  Speaker 1: needing a cellmate when he was in the shoe? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 10:46
  Speaker 1: Who was the officer in charge? Or the OIC in
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  Speaker 1: the shoe? Noelle, me. Question. Um, are you talking about
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  Speaker 1: at 12 a.m.? Noelle, yes. Indiscernible. Redacted. In general, was
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  Speaker 1: there like one officer in charge that was like considered
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  Speaker 1: the OIC in the shoe? Noelle, that's what I'm telling you.
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  Speaker 1: On paper, it says me. But I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to run the shoe, so I rely on the senior officer. Well,
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  Speaker 1: on the roster. And it says that I was the OIC. Question.
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  Speaker 1: I think I'm not asking the question correctly. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: talking about, like, from 12 a.m. to 8 a.m. on
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  Speaker 1: August 10th. I mean, in general. Like, in July and August,
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  Speaker 1: when you were in the SHU, was there one person
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  Speaker 1: that was considered the officer in charge? Like, how's there
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: one lieutenant of the SHU which was redacted? Was there
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: also an officer in charge of the SHU? Noelle, no. Question.
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: Do you know who? Wasn't it? Redacted. Then redacted again.
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: Do you know who Redacted is? Noelle, no. Question, would
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  Speaker 1: he be considered the officer in charge? Noelle, see, I
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: don't know. Because on this roster, it can be a
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  Speaker 1: different person. Question, did Redacted have like a computer or
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: a desk area that he always sat in when he
• 12:02
  Speaker 1: was there? Noelle, no. Question, specifically? Noelle, it's the one
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  Speaker 1: that we all sit at. Question, but he didn't have
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: one specific location that he would sit at? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: He would sit wherever? Noel, yes. All right, folks, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode,
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  Speaker 1: dealing with the topic we're going to pick up where
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: we left off. All the information that goes with this
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: this episode, we're diving right back in to the Tova
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Noel interview with the OIG inspectors. Question, can you give
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: me just like a layout? How many desks and computers
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: were there in the shoe where the officer sat? Noelle,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: it was two desks. One this way, and one this way. Redacted,
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: so kind of like an L-type of formation? Noelle, yes.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: And computers, about three. Question. About three computers? Noelle, uh-huh. Question.
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: And had you sat at all three of those computers
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: at least one time during your shifts? Noelle, yes. Question. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it's just, it rotates. You can sit at each one? Noelle, yes.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you considered anyone. Question. And do you remember
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: ever there being a sign posted on any of the
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: computers saying that Epstein was required to have a cellmate? Noelle, no. Question.
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  Speaker 1: All right. And then redacted. Am I pronouncing that right? Mr. Redacted. Yeah. Redacted.
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: How do you spell your last name? Do you remember? Redacted.
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Agent Redacted. So he didn't have a specialized
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: computer where he would have posted a sign on a computer? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 13:45
  Speaker 1: What about, do you recall ever seeing a sign posted
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: on Epstein's door? Noel, no. Question, saying that he was
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: required to have a cellmate? Noel, no. Question, no. Okay,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: who was inmate Nicholas Tartaglione? Noel, his first cellmate that
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: he had? Question, Epstein's first cellmate? Noel, uh-huh. Question, was
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: that his cellmate in July of 2019? Noel, I'm not
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: sure about the month, but that was his first cellmate. Redacted, okay.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: Do you recall if Tartaglione was already in the shoe
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  Speaker 1: or was he brought in specifically to be Epstein's cellmate? Noelle,
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: I don't know that. Question, you don't know that? Noelle, no. Question, okay.
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Are you aware of any issue that took place between
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Epstein and Tartaglione when they were cellmates? Noelle, no. Question,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: were you aware that on or around July 23rd of
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: 2019 that Epstein allegedly attempted to commit suicide? Noelle, no.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't at work that day, but I was told. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And were you told anything else about the incident? Noel, no. Question,
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  Speaker 1: are you aware if Tartaglione was his inmate at the time? Noel, yes. Question,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: and you said you didn't have any involvement in that
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: matter though. Noel, I wasn't at work. Question, do you
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  Speaker 1: know if Tartaglione was removed as Epstein's cellmate at some point? Noel,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: after that he had another cellmate, Reyes. Question, and do
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: you know why they changed? Noelle, but I don't know why. Question, okay.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Do you know who would have made that decision to
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: change cellmates? Noelle, no. Question, had you ever heard that
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Tartaglione attempted to harm Jeffrey Epstein? Noelle, no. Question, you
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: didn't even hear that rumor? Noelle, no. Question, okay. Do
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: you know what was used in the incident when Epstein
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: attempted to allegedly attempt to take his own life? Noelle, no. Question,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Do you know if it was like linens or a
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: shirt or any kind of? Noelle, I don't know. Question, no. Noelle, no. Question,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: no one discussed that with you? Noelle, no. Question, and
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: you didn't ask anybody about it? Noelle, no. Question, do
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: you know if Epstein was placed on suicide watch or
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: psychological observation? Noelle, I think he was placed after that,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know which one. Question, okay. Is it
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: usually that someone will go on suicide watch for about
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: 24 hours? Then after that, they would go on what's
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: called psychological observation. Noel, I'm not sure. Question, you're not sure. Noel, uh-huh. Question,
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  Speaker 1: is that done in the shoe or elsewhere? Noel, it's
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: done downstairs. Question, and when you say downstairs, do you
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: know where? Noel, where the suicide watch is or unit two? Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so second floor. Noel, uh-huh. Question, and do you know
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: who makes the determination to be able to place someone
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: on suicide watch? Or psychological observation? Noelle, no. Question, no. Okay.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Does it sound right that he was placed on suicide
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: watch on or around July 23rd, 2019? And return to
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: the shoe, on or around July 30th, 2019? Noelle, yes. Question,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: that sounds about right. Noelle, uh-huh. Question, and at that time,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: was Epstein assigned another cellmate? Noelle, yes. Question, who? Which cellmate? Noelle, Reyes. Question, Reyes? Noel, uh-huh. Question,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: on or around July 30th, and who was inmate Reyes,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: Efren Reyes? Noel, his cellmate? Redacted, do you know anything
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: about him? Noel, no. Question, okay, but do you know
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he was his cellmate from that point until about August 9th, 2019? Noel, yes. Question, okay,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: and do you know if inmate Reyes was already in
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: the shoe, or was he brought in specifically to be
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Epstein's cellmate? Noel, I don't know. Question, you don't know
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: if he was already in there? Noel, no. Question, now
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: do you ever, do you have any involvement with the
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: inmates when you're in there? Would you like converse with
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: them or kind of redacted? Or Noel, answer, no. Question, no.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So you don't. Did you ever know why people were
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: specifically in the shoe? Noel, no. Question, no. Do you
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: know why inmate Reyes was removed from MCC on August 9th, 2019? Noel, no. Question,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: so even at this point, do you know why he
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was removed? Noel, no. I didn't even know he was removed. Redacted,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: so I'm saying even today, do you know that? Noel, oh, no. Question,
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: you don't know why he was removed? Noel, no. I'm
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: saying at that point in time, I didn't know why
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: he was removed. Question, yeah, so I'm saying as of today, Noel,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but for now, I don't know the reason why he
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: was moved. Question, okay, but do you know? That he
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: was removed. Noelle, yes. Question. And did you know that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: he was removed on August 9th, 2019? Noelle, no. Question.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: So even on August 9th, you didn't know that he
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: was removed? Noelle, no. Question. You knew that Epstein had
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: a cellmate. You just didn't know that he didn't have
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: a cellmate on that day. Noelle, he had a cellmate.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that the cellmate was removed and wasn't
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: coming back. Question. Okay, so you never learned on August
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: 9th or August 10th, for that matter. prior to 6.30,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that there was no other inmate within Epstein's cell? Noelle, no. Question, okay.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: And do you know if anybody was aware that Reyes
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: was departing the MCC or SHU prior to August 9th, 2019? Noelle,
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, you don't even know what, you know,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: at this point, if anyone was aware? Noelle, no. Question,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: do you know if it was anticipated or not an
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: anticipated move? Noelle, I don't know. Question, So on August 9th,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: during your time from 4pm, even to just 12am, that
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: was not discussed with you at all or within the shoe?
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: That Epstein's roommate Reyes was removed? Noel, never. Question, never? Noel, never. Question,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and are you pretty confident about that? Noel, yes. Question, okay.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Are you aware if Epstein should have been reassigned to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: cellmate after inmate Reyes was removed on August 9th, 2019? Noel, no. Question,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: so you're not aware? Noel, no. Question, if he should
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: have been? Noelle, no. Question, so your understanding was he
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: had a cellmate. You just didn't know if one of
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: them was removed that he should be reassigned one? Noelle, exactly. Uh-huh. Question, okay.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Do you know who was responsible for assigning Epstein a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: new cellmate? Noelle, I don't know. Question, could shoe staff
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: have assigned Epstein a new cellmate? Would you have had
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the authority working in the shoe if you knew someone
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: was supposed to have a cellmate? Do you have the authority?
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: To place another inmate in with that person? Noelle? See,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Because I'm that new. Question? Okay. Noelle,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: so like I said, I rely on the senior person
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: a lot. So I don't know. Like, that would be
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: a question I would ask them. So I don't know. Question?
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: When you were, during your time, in the SHU, which
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: you said I guess was from, you know, late June
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: through August 9th or 10th, did you ever see that
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: happen before? SHU staff assigned inmates with other inmates? Noelle? Noelle?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: When an inmate comes, they place them with another inmate. Redacted. Question.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: And would they do that based upon their own responsibilities
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and duties? Or would someone tell them to do that? Noelle. See,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question. You don't even know? Noelle. Uh-huh. Question.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: So you saw people be assigned with other ones, but
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you don't know how? That was determined? Noelle. Yeah. Question.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: So you don't even know if you could have assigned
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Epstein a new cellmate? Noelle. I don't know. Question. Do
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: you know if SHU staff should have assigned? You know, like,
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: or I guess you just answered that. So you said
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: you know, and again, on August 9th, no one notified
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: you that Reyes was gone from the SHU? Noelle, no. Question,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and you were working in the SHU? Noelle, nope. Question,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: do they typically tell you when an inmate in the
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: SHU is or has left and is not coming back? Noelle,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: nobody said anything to me. I don't know. Question, because
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: you don't have to be able to keep your accounts
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: correct and be able to know how many people are
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: in the shoe. So if someone's removed, don't they have
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: to tell you? This person's not coming back, so your
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: account's going to be lower. Noelle, but it wasn't told
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: to me, so I don't know. Question, okay. Do you
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: know who the MCC staff psychologists were in August of 2019? Noelle, no. Question,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: do you have any dealings with them at all? Noelle, no. Question,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: does the name Chief Redacted ring a bell? Noelle, no. Question,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: how about Staff Psychologist Redacted? Noelle, I know her. Question, okay,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: who is she? Noelle, one of the psychologists. Question, okay,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: and did you have dealings with her? Noelle, I had
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: dealings with her after. Question, after August 10th? Noelle, like
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: on August 10th, she came to the unit. Question, okay,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: prior to August 10th, did you ever have any dealings
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with her? Noelle, no, not really. Question, what about redacted? Noelle, yeah,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I know her. Question, and who is she? Noelle, a psychologist. Question,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: did you have any dealings with her? Noelle, no. Question,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: so only with redacted? Noelle, yes, but she came after
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the incident. Question, but what was your dealing with her
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: after the incident? Noelle, she just asked if I was
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: all right. Question, okay. Did she ask you anything about
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Epstein or his cellmate or anything like that? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So it was specific to you? Noelle, yes. Question, okay.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Are you aware that Epstein was meeting with staff psychologists
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: during his stay at the MCC? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Would he have met with them? I guess during suicide
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: watch and psychological, obviously. Noelle, yes. Question, okay. So that.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Did you know that he met with them then? Noelle, no.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't know if he did, but I'm going to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: assume he did. Question, okay, but do you know that
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: he was placed on suicide watch? Noelle, yes. Question, and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: they never, no one from psychology ever provided you instruction
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: with regard to when he returned, how he was to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: be treated? Noelle, no. Question, or that he was needed
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: to have a cellmate at all times? Noelle, no. Question,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: or that you needed to watch him? Noelle, no. Question,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: do you know who placed him on suicide watch? Noelle, no. Question?
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So what is your understanding of Suicide Watch? When someone's
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: on Suicide Watch and they come back, what's your understanding
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of how you're supposed to treat those people? Now, my
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: understanding is that you would have received this training, you know. Now,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I know you said you didn't do the shoe training,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: but the other training that you attended, the IF, the
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: MCC Annual, and the Correctional Officer Training at FLETC, did
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they discuss suicide? Noelle, I mean if someone is like,
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: explains to you that they're feeling a certain kind of way,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: or they want to harm themselves, then you report it
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: to them. They will place them on suicide watch. But
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: as far as when they return, there's nothing special that
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: we're told to do when someone returns from suicide watch. Question. So,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: they don't tell you like this person's on suicide watch,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: he's returning, he needs, you know, a high likelihood of
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: attempting to harm himself. Noelle, no. Question. Question. We should
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: place him with another cellmate? Noelle, no. Question, that we
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: should watch him? Noelle, no. Question, or make sure that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: he hasn't harmed himself? Noelle, no. Question, or pay special
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: close attention to that individual? Noelle, no. Question, you said
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: suicide watch though? That is on the second floor? Noelle, yes. Question, okay,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: so you're not aware that the requirement that if someone
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: is returned to the shoe, that they're required to have
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: a cellmate? If they were on Suicide Watch? Noelle, no. Question,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: do you know what the difference between Suicide Watch and
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Psychological Observation is? Noelle, no. Question, are they both done
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: on the second floor? Noelle, yes. Question, okay, but you
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: don't even know what that is? Noelle, no. Question, did
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: you know that Epstein was also on Psychological Observation? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Just Suicide Watch? Noelle, uh-huh. Question, And to you, it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: one and the same thing. Noelle, yes. Question? Okay. All right, folks,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All the information that goes
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: back in to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: and I did ask you about Suicide Watch, but do
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you know who placed Epstein on psychological observation? Noel, no. Question, no.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: And you don't know, are inmates that come from psychological
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: observation required to have a cellmate? Noel, no. Question, you
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: don't know. Noel, I don't know. Question, so were you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: aware of any inmates that are in the SHU That
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: were on suicide watch. Came from suicide watch. And psychological observation. Noelle, no. Question,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: and again, that hot list. Did you say that you
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: remember there being one? Noelle, no. Question, in the shoe? Noelle, no. Question,
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: so you don't even remember there being a hot list
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: in the shoe? Noelle, no. Question, would you like to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: look around at the boards and look at the walls
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and see different things? Noelle, there's no list. Question, no.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: There's no like... Where the post orders are? Where they're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: kept as? She cuts them off. Noelle, it's on the desk. Question.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Was there also on the desk something called the hot list? Noelle, no. Question.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Was there a list on the desk that had like
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: inmates names and anything next to them? Like a description? Noelle,
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: there's a roster. Question. A roster like of all the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: inmates in the shoe total? Noelle, yes. Question. Well, what
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: about like, and I only say this because I know
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: that there was one So you don't recall saying like
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: or seeing like one list where there are special people
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: assigned to the list called the hot list? Noelle, no. Question, no.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: And you did work there all of June, July and
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: August or not all end of June, July and then
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it's August. Noelle, yes. Question, did any staff psychologists visit
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: the shoe? Noelle, yes. Question, did they ever visit Epstein
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: in the shoe? Noelle, no. Question, no. What time typically
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: would they come to the SHU when they would visit? Noelle, um,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: like after, when I worked the 8 to 4, I
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: don't know, sometime in the day, like maybe around 12. Redacted,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: and would they not have come to the SHU to
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: see Epstein because he wasn't there at 12? Noelle, because
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: he wasn't there. Question, do you know if they ever
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: visited with him when he was with his attorneys? Noelle,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, so did anyone? So psychologists, peers, supervisor,
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: or anyone else ever tell you that Epstein was required
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: to have a cellmate? Noel, nobody. Question, nobody. Did you
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: ever receive any emails? So any type of form of communication?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So not just verbal, emails and writing, text messages, anything? Noel, no. Question,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: do you have that email? This isn't an email that
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: was sent to you. I just want to see if you,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: if someone ever forwarded this to you. Did anyone ever
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: forward you this? First of all, this is an email
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: from Redacted. It says suicide watch psychological observation update. It's
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: what was sent on July 20th, 2019. It says inmate
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Epstein's being taken off psychological observation and needs to be
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: housed with an appropriate cellmate. Did anyone ever forward this
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: information to you? Being that you worked in the shoe
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: where he was assigned? Noelle, no. Question. So no one
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: ever discussed with you in the shoe? Like none of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: the other employees in the shoe that would have received this? Noelle, no. Question.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Do you know why other employees would have received this
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have? Noelle, I'm not going to say
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: that they received it and I didn't. Question. Well, if
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: you look at the back, it's all the people that
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: it was sent to. So if you go to the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: last page, do you recognize any of the people on
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: there that you worked in the shoe with? The names.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at the list. That middle page
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: and towards the bottom. The following page, I think. Middle
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: towards the bottom. Noelle, that's Lieutenant. Question, do you recognize
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Redacted on there? Noelle, yes. But this is not sent.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: This is not sent to the workers. Question, none of
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: those people were assigned to the shoe? Towards the bottom
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of that? Noelle, no. Question, no. Okay. So just the
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: only person that you see on that is the lieutenant? Noelle,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: lieutenant redacted. Question. And he never discussed the matter with you? Noelle, no. Question.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: If you don't mind, could you initial and date that? Noelle,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I initialed. End date. Question. During your time in the SHU,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: did any new inmates come during your shift? Noelle, on
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that specific day or in general? Question. Question. Yeah, from
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: June to August, when you worked in the SHU. Did
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: the SHU receive any new inmates? Noelle, I didn't. The
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: senior officer did. Question, senior officer, did you see them
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: assign inmates, assign a cell to them? Noelle, like put
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: them in a cell? Yes. Question, were they ever put
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: by themselves? Noelle, I don't remember. Question, you don't recall
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: any inmates being placed by themselves in the SHU? Noelle,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think there was one inmate by himself. Question, any
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: reason why he was placed by himself? Noelle, I don't know. Question,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: so of all the inmates, there was only one that
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: was by themselves? Noelle, I think it was an inmate
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: by himself on G-tier. Question, now you mentioned that day,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: were you on August 9th, you were notified that Efren
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Reyes was moved. But during your time in the SHU,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: were you ever notified if an inmate was ever removed
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: from the SHU for whatever reason? Were you ever notified
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: about it? Noelle, no. Question, How would you find out
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: if the inmate was supposed to be in the shoe
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: or not? Noelle, how would I find out if the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: inmate is supposed? She gets cut off, let's say in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the morning. You came on shift at 2 p.m. or
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: possibly 4. After that, there's counts and rounds. When you
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: do the counts, right? I just want to know in
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: terms of how you would know if an inmate was
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: removed or not. Noelle, when I count, then he's gone. Redacted,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you wouldn't be notified any other way? Noelle, no. Question,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: that's all I have. Question by the next investigator. And
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I know we discussed the cellmates, but were you ever
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: told you needed to keep a close watch on Epstein
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: when he was there? Who was the MCC warden in
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: July and August of 2019? Noelle, redacted. Question, is that redacted? Noelle, yes. Question, okay.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: What communications did you have with the warden with regard
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to Epstein being housed within the MCC or the MCC shoe? Noelle, none. Question, none.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: And he never provided you special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noelle, no. Question.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Did the warden ever tell you that Epstein was required
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to have a cellmate? Noelle, no. Question. Did the warden
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: ever visit the shoe during Epstein's stay at MCC? Noelle,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Not on my watch. Question. Not during
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: your shift? Noelle, no. Question. Okay. Do you know if
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the warden ever met with Epstein during the stay? Noelle,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question. Who was the MCC associate wardens
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: in August of 2019? Noelle. Associate warden was redacted. Question.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Anyone else that you're aware of? Noelle. No. Question. Okay.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: And what communication did you have with redacted or the
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: other AW with regard to Epstein being housed within the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: MCC or the MCC shoe? Noelle. None. Question. None. Would
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: you have communication with any of the AWs? Noelle. No. Question. No.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: So you did not even ever speak with any of them? Noelle,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: not in the shoe. Question, not in the shoe. When
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: would you speak with them? Noelle, on the regular housing unit,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: when they made rounds. Question, so in July and August,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: did you ever speak with them that you recall? Noelle, no. Question,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: so not since you were assigned to the shoe at
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: the end of June. Noelle, uh-huh. Question, okay, what about
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the warden? Is that the same thing? Noelle, uh-huh. Question,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: no communication. Foy, the lawyer, don't know. Noel, no. Foy,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: don't answer if you don't know. Noel, okay. Question, do
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: you know if any of the AWs ever visited the
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: shoe during Epstein's stay? Noel, I don't know. Question, you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. Not during your watch though? Noel, no. Question, okay.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Do you know if any of the AWs ever met
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: with Epstein during his stay at the MCC? Noel, I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: don't know. Question, you don't know. but not when you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: were in the shoe. Noelle, not on my shift. Question,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: who was the MCC captain in July and August of 2019? Noelle,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: captain redacted. Question, okay, is that redacted? Noelle, yes. Question, okay.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: And what communication did you have with captain redacted with
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: regard to Epstein being housed within the MCC or the
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: MCC shoe? Noelle, none. Question, none. And did he ever
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: Provide you with special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noelle, no. Question.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Captain redacted. Noelle, no. Question. Did the captain ever tell
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate? Noelle, no.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Question in the shoe? No. Did the captain ever visit
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the shoe during Epstein's stay at the MCC? Noelle, not
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on my shift. Question. Not during your time? Okay. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: do you know if the captain ever met with Epstein
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: during his stay at the MCC? Noelle, I don't know. Question.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: So who I'm going to give you now just because, okay?
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Where are the rosters? I'm going to ask her about
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: some of the supervisors that were on duty. So are
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you familiar with these rosters? Like just by looking at it,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: are you able to decipher who was on duty and
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: who wasn't? Or who was on duty on August 9th
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: and 10th? I'm giving you the MCC New York daily
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: assignment roster. So there's August 9th and August 10th. So
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: who were the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: overseeing the SHU on August 9th and 10th? Do you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: recall if Lieutenant Redacted was there on August 9th or 10th? Noelle,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I don't recall. Question, you don't recall. Nicole, or Noelle, no. Question, okay,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: so he wasn't there. So if he's not there, who
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: was oversight over the SHU? Noelle, I don't know. Question, no.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Would it be the operations lieutenant or the activities lieutenant? Noelle,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Question, you don't know who it is
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: that would have responsibility if the lieutenant of the SHU
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't there? Noelle, no. Question, would anybody, if Lieutenant Redacted
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, check in with you? Noelle, I mean the
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: other lieutenant would make a round. Redacted, question, what other
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  Speaker 1: lieutenant would that be? Noelle, whoever was on. You mean
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  Speaker 1: that day? Question, yeah. On August 9th and 10th, I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering who had the responsibility of the shoe. If Lieutenant
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  Speaker 1: Redacted wasn't there, he was the shoe lieutenant. Noelle, in
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  Speaker 1: the daytime, it was a regular officer acting. Question, okay. Noelle,
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  Speaker 1: from the time I was on at 4 to 12.
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  Speaker 1: And then from midnight, it was Lieutenant Redacted. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so with that other person that you're referring to, do
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  Speaker 1: you know who that was? Noelle, the acting? That was acting? Question, acting. Noelle, Redacted. Question,
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  Speaker 1: SOS redacted? Noelle, say that again. Question, was it SOS redacted?
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  Speaker 1: Senior officer specialist? Noelle, yes. Question, I might be saying
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  Speaker 1: the name wrong. Noelle, I'm not sure of her first name,
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  Speaker 1: but gets cut off. That's fine. Okay, so those are
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  Speaker 1: the two you remember. Noelle was acting in that day. Yes. Question, okay.
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  Speaker 1: What about by looking at that? Do you see where
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  Speaker 1: it says redacted? Noelle, yes. Question, would that person have
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  Speaker 1: oversight over the shoe? Does it say that the person
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  Speaker 1: was the operations lieutenant? Noelle, that's what it says here,
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  Speaker 1: but I didn't see Lieutenant Redacted. Question, and do you know,
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  Speaker 1: as being the operations lieutenant, would they be responsible for
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  Speaker 1: overseeing the shoe? Noelle, I don't know. Question, you don't
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  Speaker 1: even know that? Okay, so you don't know if after,
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  Speaker 1: is it true that after Redacted replaced him as the
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  Speaker 1: operations lieutenant? Noelle, according to this, yes. Question, okay. And
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  Speaker 1: you're not aware that the person would have oversight over
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  Speaker 1: the shoe. Noelle, I don't know. Question, you don't know.
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  Speaker 1: No one ever talked to you about redacted, isn't there?
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  Speaker 1: Who should you go and talk to if there's any
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  Speaker 1: problem or if they want to check in with you? Noelle, no.
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  Speaker 1: I would call downstairs to the lieutenant's office. Question, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't know. you would just talk to whoever answered? Noelle, yes. Question,
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  Speaker 1: and you would sit in the lieutenant's office? Noelle, the lieutenants. Question,
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  Speaker 1: all of them? Noelle, yes. Question, so it wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: like the operations lieutenant and the activities lieutenant? Noelle, no.
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  Speaker 1: All the lieutenants. Question, okay. They all just sitting there together? Noelle, uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Not one of them specifically answers the phone, though. Noelle, no. Anybody? Question. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember again Lieutenant Redacted was reportedly off on
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  Speaker 1: August 9th and 10th? Uh-huh. Noelle answers. Question. Do you
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  Speaker 1: ever recall seeing him on August 9th and August 10th? Noelle, uh-huh. Question.
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  Speaker 1: Where would Lieutenant Redacted sit when he was in the MCC? Noelle, upstairs. Question.
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  Speaker 1: When you say upstairs... Upstairs where? Noel, there's an office
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  Speaker 1: right next to 10 South, upstairs there. Question, within the shoe? Noel, yes. Question, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so he was physically in the shoe? Noel, yes. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to wrap up right here. And in the
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  Speaker 1: next episode, dealing with the topic we're going to pick
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  Speaker 1: up where we left off. All the information that goes
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