Latest / Movie Meltdown / Christine Elise: Night Hunter

Transcript

Christine Elise: Night Hunter · Movie Meltdown

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: This is Nick Offerman, and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: It's showtime.
• 0:20
  Speaker 3: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
• 0:23
  Speaker 3: Picture Association of America.
• 0:25
  Speaker 4: It is intended for mature audiences and parental discretion is advised.
• 0:30
  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
• 1:02
  Speaker 5: You kids shouldn't play so rough.
• 1:08
  Speaker 6: Somebody's gonna.
• 1:14
  Speaker 7: Start crying.
• 1:18
  Speaker 8: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian and
• 1:21
  Speaker 8: with me, special guest co-host this week, Christina Lees.
• 1:25
  Speaker 9: Hello.
• 1:27
  Speaker 8: Back again, loitering around another one of these... Convention-y things.
• 1:31
  Speaker 8: You may or may not have almost been abducted a
• 1:34
  Speaker 8: few moments ago.
• 1:35
  Speaker 10: I was.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: I think I feared for my life.
• 1:38
  Speaker 8: Again, I heard him come up and say, I want
• 1:41
  Speaker 8: you to sign a van. And I was like, oh, no,
• 1:43
  Speaker 8: that's not a good way to word that.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Fortunately, I was chaperoned.
• 1:49
  Speaker 8: I was at least taking photos. I was trying to
• 1:51
  Speaker 8: get the license plate number. If you see any van
• 1:55
  Speaker 8: going down the road painted like the General Lee, just
• 1:58
  Speaker 8: any van pulling a small church. So, I guess to
• 2:04
  Speaker 8: ease our way in here, it's been a few years
• 2:06
  Speaker 8: since we've talked. So, how's it going? It's going all right.
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: It's going all right. I don't know. I guess I
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: had already written my book last time we spoke.
• 2:16
  Speaker 8: I think so.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: Bathing in the Single Girl was already out. Maybe it wasn't.
• 2:20
  Speaker 8: I think it was about to get printed, maybe.
• 2:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:22
  Speaker 8: I think you'd written it already.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: So, Bathing in the Single Girl is out and available
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: on Amazon. It remains my proudest achievement. It's a novel.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: A comic, a funny, dirty novel, not erotica, not Fifty Shades,
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: but like I just say it's like if Larry David
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: had written a book about dating from a female's perspective,
• 2:41
  Speaker 1: that's flattering myself perhaps, but it's that sort of awkward,
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: angry humor, but at awful, horrible, awkward sex.
• 2:48
  Speaker 8: Into it it's also giving us a weird image of
• 2:51
  Speaker 8: larry david in a bathtub that i'm not comfortable that's.
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: Your problem you work that out.
• 2:57
  Speaker 11: Even mrs david isn't comfortable perhaps uh i have a
• 3:02
  Speaker 11: food blog called delightful delicious to lovely that i was
• 3:06
  Speaker 11: i may or may not have begun at that point
• 3:08
  Speaker 11: too and uh it works by.
• 3:11
  Speaker 8: The way Thanks to you, I made a food.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Did you make a food? What'd you make?
• 3:15
  Speaker 8: I made a food. Specifically, I followed your instructions.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: What did you make?
• 3:20
  Speaker 8: I think you told me. It's been a while, because
• 3:23
  Speaker 8: God forbid I actually make food regularly. It was Mexican
• 3:28
  Speaker 8: and shrimp, and I think there was some lime involved.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: Usually.
• 3:32
  Speaker 8: It was some sort of tortilla, shrimp, soft taco type thing.
• 3:37
  Speaker 8: I made food, damn it.
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: See?
• 3:40
  Speaker 8: It doesn't happen often.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: I'm here to serve. And I have been working in post, actually.
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: I've been working in post in reality TV. I started
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: in a show called Best Bars in America almost two
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: years ago. In October, it would be two years ago.
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: Then I've done a couple of other shows. Currently, I'm
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: just about to finish doing a show called The Hellevator.
• 4:00
  Speaker 1: which is a game show on the Game Show Network
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: with the Soska twins, the Canadian horror movie director twins,
• 4:08
  Speaker 1: who are ridiculously awesome in real life. They're so sweet.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Very cool. And the show is fun. They are cast
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: as masterminds that live in an abandoned slaughterhouse and challenge
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: contestants to win their money from them, and they have
• 4:23
  Speaker 1: to do gross and creepy, scary things. And there is
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: my life.
• 4:28
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 4:29
  Speaker 8: Well, you, again, we were discussing earlier, the bestest of
• 4:33
  Speaker 8: Facebook friends out there. And I have to say, every
• 4:37
  Speaker 8: once in a while, I end up following someone on
• 4:39
  Speaker 8: Facebook that we've had on the show. And a lot
• 4:41
  Speaker 8: of times it's standard stuff that you'll get from any,
• 4:45
  Speaker 8: I will say, not personally run Facebook page. Yours seems
• 4:49
  Speaker 8: to be you. It's clearly me. And it is really
• 4:53
  Speaker 8: interesting because you will post a lot of very.
• 4:58
  Speaker 8: Personal perspective kind of things that I think is really cool.
• 5:01
  Speaker 8: And one of the ones I just wanted to get
• 5:04
  Speaker 8: your thoughts on now is you sometimes will share stuff
• 5:08
  Speaker 8: from back in the day that you would get from fans.
• 5:11
  Speaker 8: Of course, when you're on your super popular TV show,
• 5:14
  Speaker 8: A League of Their Own. Oh, wait.
• 5:17
  Speaker 7: No, 90210.
• 5:17
  Speaker 8: But it is interesting because you were the bad girl,
• 5:23
  Speaker 8: as you've heard many times at the table today. And
• 5:26
  Speaker 8: you got a lot of heat.
• 5:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't get as much heat as everyone wants to
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: think I did. I got some, though, and most of
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: it was really entertaining.
• 5:33
  Speaker 8: But that's the thing. This was in a time pre-social media.
• 5:38
  Speaker 8: What the hell do you think it would be like now?
• 5:40
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to think the overwhelming difference it would be
• 5:44
  Speaker 8: now to be in more or less the same role.
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: It would be an unbelievable and unbearable nightmare because when
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: I was doing that show and I did 90210, the
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: internet was still in its infancy. There was no streaming
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: of anything. There was no video on the internet.
• 5:59
  Speaker 8: There was no social media.
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: No, there's no Twitter or Facebook or anything like that.
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: There was not even MySpace. There was nothing visual. It
• 6:06
  Speaker 1: was really just words and if you wanted to find
• 6:09
  Speaker 1: out that somebody hated you, you had to go to
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: an AOL chat room or to a Yahoo message board
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: or whatever, that kind of thing and sort of seek
• 6:17
  Speaker 1: out some obscure place where somebody was talking shit about you,
• 6:20
  Speaker 1: which of course I did, and read things.
• 6:23
  Speaker 8: Glutton for punishment.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know, part of you wants to read
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: good things and that's not what you always find. So
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: my two favorite things were somebody had that Louise Brooks
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: haircut and somebody called me a donkey in a Dutch
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: boy wig, which actually made me cry. And somebody else
• 6:38
  Speaker 1: called me Emily Frankentine, which I thought was mean at
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: the time, but now I think is hilarious. Emily Frankentine's funny.
• 6:45
  Speaker 8: I mean, that one at least they put a little
• 6:46
  Speaker 8: work in.
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: That's funny. But that, and I remember I was living
• 6:50
  Speaker 1: with Jason at the time, with Jason Priestley at the time,
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: and I would be like, Jason, they call me donkey
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: in a Dutch boy wig.
• 6:57
  Speaker 8: Don't look at it.
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: Why you go there and look at it? And now
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: he's still sort of in the situation where he's having
• 7:03
  Speaker 1: to deal with how much more advanced and how unavoidably
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: in your face social media is. And he's had his
• 7:09
  Speaker 1: feelings hurt a few times in the interim. And I
• 7:13
  Speaker 1: had no pity. Because he didn't have pity for me.
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: He had no empathy at the time. But yeah, I
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: don't think... It would be unbearable. It would be unbearable to.
• 7:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm actually... part of me is like reticent i
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: haven't been working a lot and not because i don't
• 7:29
  Speaker 1: want to but because some mysterious force is not letting
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: it happen but uh part of me is great grateful
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: maybe it's somebody watching my back because because being out
• 7:40
  Speaker 1: there and getting criticized when i'm already such a harsh
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: critic of myself especially as i'm 51 now and the
• 7:45
  Speaker 1: older i get and the fatter i get and the
• 7:47
  Speaker 1: wrinklier i get and the the harder i am on
• 7:50
  Speaker 1: myself and it just Just because you're hard on yourself
• 7:53
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're immune to people being hard on you too.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: So I'm grateful that that wasn't in existence. On the
• 8:01
  Speaker 1: other hand, where I sit today is in a hotel
• 8:05
  Speaker 1: having a big convention, which when I was on the
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: biggest shows of my career, when I did the first
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: Child's Play, or the only Child's Play I did, Child's
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: Play 2, And 90210 and ER and those things. Conventions
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: were for Star Trek freaks. And it was a shameful
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: thing to do in a place where actors go to die.
• 8:19
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: And that isn't the case anymore. I know actors from
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: The Walking Dead can come and make $ 80, 000 in a weekend.
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: Don't agree.
• 8:27
  Speaker 1: I was not on that gravy train. Mr.
• 8:30
  Speaker 8: Rooker, who's downstairs somewhere right now.
• 8:32
  Speaker 1: People are, it's a license to print cash. And I
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: didn't have that opportunity then. And I didn't make a
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: lot of money back then either because I was always
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: a guest on these shows. So I wasn't making a
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: lot of money on the shows and I didn't make
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: any money outside the shows. And now it's just like,
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: I guess the reward for putting up with being constantly
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: harassed is that you have an excess of ways to
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: make money.
• 8:56
  Speaker 8: A new avenue. Yeah. The internet has opened all these
• 8:59
  Speaker 8: weird avenues that sometimes are good, sometimes are frightening.
• 9:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 9:05
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 9:05
  Speaker 8: And I kind of wonder because there are all these
• 9:07
  Speaker 8: kids that I will see on shows now that have
• 9:10
  Speaker 8: a Twitter account. They're like 15 running their own Twitter account.
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm super glad because you see, you know how
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: vocal I am. And I'm typically... Mostly uncensored. I don't
• 9:21
  Speaker 1: have an enormous filter. And I go back and I
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: reread interviews I gave back then. And I kind of
• 9:29
  Speaker 1: was a douche. I kind of was a douche. I
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: was a little bit entitled. Not in a way like
• 9:33
  Speaker 1: I thought I was so great, but I was just
• 9:35
  Speaker 1: not grateful enough. I was very like.
• 9:38
  Speaker 8: Well, I mean, you're what, like 19, 20? No, I
• 9:39
  Speaker 8: was like 26.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: 26.
• 9:42
  Speaker 8: But you were playing 17. Yeah. It factors in there somehow.
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: It factors in that I didn't realize that, first of all, people,
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: when they ask you a question, they don't want the truth.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: They want a funny answer or a salacious answer.
• 9:53
  Speaker 8: That depends on the media. Thankfully, there's a new version
• 9:57
  Speaker 8: of that that isn't. It's worse in the... mainstream version
• 10:01
  Speaker 8: now but then there are geeks with microphones now who
• 10:03
  Speaker 8: just want to have an actual conversation.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: So i'm glad that i didn't have an open mic back.
• 10:08
  Speaker 8: Then think what would have happened.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: Everyone would know i was a douche not just me.
• 10:16
  Speaker 8: That's the other thing I thought was funny about your
• 10:18
  Speaker 8: fan mail. Think if you just hated someone so much
• 10:23
  Speaker 8: that you had to get out a paper and write
• 10:26
  Speaker 8: a letter.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: And track where to send it and get a stamp.
• 10:31
  Speaker 8: Can you imagine the slacker kids now that would be like, oh,
• 10:34
  Speaker 8: never mind. Within 10 minutes they've moved on to hating
• 10:36
  Speaker 8: something else. You'd be safe if that was the only
• 10:39
  Speaker 8: way to go about it now. But yeah, it's a
• 10:41
  Speaker 8: different world.
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 10:45
  Speaker 8: All right. Well, I at least wanted to see what
• 10:47
  Speaker 8: you thought and if you would survive. That's the other thing.
• 10:51
  Speaker 8: I think kids now, maybe because they were born into it,
• 10:55
  Speaker 8: they've never known a time without Twitter and Instagram that
• 10:58
  Speaker 8: they're just hardened, soulless creatures. I wonder what we're breeding
• 11:03
  Speaker 8: out of the next generations. I bring this up quite
• 11:06
  Speaker 8: often on this show. I'm like, I... We don't know.
• 11:08
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's good. We've never had this much
• 11:11
  Speaker 8: technology thrown at humanity in such a small amount of time.
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: Where everybody is sort of quasi-famous.
• 11:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And has license to say, again, say whatever the
• 11:21
  Speaker 8: hell they want, no filter, and be hidden by the internet.
• 11:25
  Speaker 8: You can be anonymous all the time if that's what
• 11:26
  Speaker 8: you want. Yeah.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: What I think is funny, it's funny that you mentioned
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: earlier that you could tell that my page, my Facebook
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: page is run by me, which I think it's... really
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: evident that it's me.
• 11:36
  Speaker 7: I'd say so.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: And I get so annoyed when people accuse me. I'll
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: even engage with somebody for a couple of, an exchange
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: back and forth with somebody that's a fan of something.
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: And then at the end of the conversation, they'll say,
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: I have to ask you something. Is this really you?
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: Or is it an assistant?
• 11:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, there are a lot of pages being run
• 11:53
  Speaker 8: by assistants.
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: If you're paying attention at all.
• 11:56
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 11:57
  Speaker 8: If you're having a conversation.
• 11:58
  Speaker 1: If my assistant was running my page, they would be
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: so fired for the shit they put on there. There's
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: no way you can mistake that that's me.
• 12:05
  Speaker 8: That would be great if they just started coming up
• 12:07
  Speaker 8: with an entire alternate life for you and you had
• 12:09
  Speaker 8: no part in it. But what am I doing this week?
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: What am I mad at now? What do I hate?
• 12:14
  Speaker 8: This is hard to have an alternate secret life that
• 12:16
  Speaker 8: I don't know about.
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: Somebody else is managing, yeah.
• 12:19
  Speaker 8: Or it'd be easier. Maybe you just don't have to
• 12:21
  Speaker 8: do anything. You'd be like, you just run all aspects
• 12:23
  Speaker 8: of my life and I'm not leaving the house.
• 12:30
  Speaker 12: I'm staring at the same old crack in the same
• 12:34
  Speaker 12: old wall.
• 12:35
  Speaker 8: I want my life back.
• 12:37
  Speaker 12: I'm listening to the same old crap that I've heard before.
• 12:41
  Speaker 8: I want my life back, but I gotta plan to
• 12:45
  Speaker 8: be a better man. I won't be very long. No,
• 12:52
  Speaker 8: I may be wrong.
• 12:52
  Speaker 10: I may be very wrong. And I'll be back in
• 12:54
  Speaker 10: 15 minutes when they make.
• 12:59
  Speaker 9: Me a superstar.
• 13:28
  Speaker 5: Yes, folks, it's intermission time. So how about taking a break?
• 13:32
  Speaker 5: Get out and stretch a little and relax before the
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: show begins again. And why not make it refreshment time, too?
• 13:39
  Speaker 5: We have lots of tasty, delicious treats waiting for you
• 13:42
  Speaker 5: at the refreshment center. Oh, no.
• 13:45
  Speaker 8: That's no good. Turn it off.
• 13:47
  Speaker 6: Stop it. Turn it off.
• 13:50
  Speaker 5: That won't work.
• 13:51
  Speaker 8: It's no good.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: What do you make a trailer for? To give the
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: public an idea of what kind of a picture to expect.
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Of course, these are hilarious romantics. Night when the earth
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: is quiet.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: And the good people of the world are sleeping. The
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: night visitor comes to call. Night, when mist embraces the moon,
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: and madmen are loose on the land, the night visitor
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: comes to call. Locked in the cold asylum of his mind,
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: A sane man stalks his prey. Sidney Glazier presents Trevor Howard,
• 15:05
  Speaker 4: Liv Ullman, Per Oskerson, and Max von Sydow as Salem
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: in The Night Visitor. A haunting story of the possible.
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: From UMC Pictures in Color. Rated GP.
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: This episode is sponsored by World of Leathercraft. specializing in
• 15:26
  Speaker 7: handmade leathercraft items with a specific nod to the geeky genres.
• 15:30
  Speaker 7: Whether you're looking for a wallet, purse, keychain, bracelet, money clip,
• 15:34
  Speaker 7: luggage tank, book cover, phone sleeve, laptop bag, whatever it is,
• 15:38
  Speaker 7: World of Leathercraft has so much to choose from. Plus,
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: with genre themes like Star Wars, Doctor Who, Supernatural, Cowboy Bebop,
• 15:45
  Speaker 7: Magic the Gathering, and more, you'll let people know you
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: aren't messing around with store-bought junk. Your fandom runs deep
• 15:52
  Speaker 7: because you're carrying a handmade work of art. And since
• 15:55
  Speaker 7: you're a Movie Meltdown listener, you'll get a special deal.
• 15:58
  Speaker 7: Just use coupon code MELTDOWN25 at checkout and get 25%
• 16:02
  Speaker 7: off all orders over $ 50. Plus free shipping on everything.
• 16:06
  Speaker 7: So to find World of Leathercraft, go to etsy.com slash
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: shop slash worldofleathercraft. Or just go to moviemeltdown.com and click
• 16:14
  Speaker 7: on the World of Leathercraft banner at the bottom of
• 16:16
  Speaker 7: the page. Then it will take you to their Etsy
• 16:18
  Speaker 7: page and you can take a look at all the
• 16:20
  Speaker 7: geek-friendly products they have to offer.
• 16:37
  Speaker 8: My name is Brad Dourif, and I'm listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: Movie Meltdown.
• 16:48
  Speaker 7: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies.
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: And now, on with the show.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Leaning, leaning Safe and secure from all alarms Leaning.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Leaning, leaning on the everlasting arms. Oh, what have I
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: to dread? What have I to fear? Leaning on the
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: everlasting arms.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: No guts.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I have blessed peace with my Lord so near. Leaning
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: on the everlasting arms.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Leaning.
• 17:46
  Speaker 12: All right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: So I guess we should get into.
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Assuming you have notes.
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: Oh, of course.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't have notes. For the record, I watched this
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: last night at 1230 and finished at 2 a.m. Not
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: my first viewing, in fairness. I've probably seen it three
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: or four times in my life. And I did pick
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: it because I love it. But watching it last night,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: last thing, before I went to sleep, I had to
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: get up to get made up at the crack of
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: dawn to be photographed 1.70 thousand million times today.
• 18:36
  Speaker 8: You're welcome. I just like that you yelled at me
• 18:38
  Speaker 8: for giving you homework.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: It really felt like homework. I so felt like I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: would get it done before I got here. I'll watch
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: it on the plane.
• 18:45
  Speaker 8: I'll watch it.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Friday's a late day. I'll watch it on Friday.
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: No.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: No, Friday night at 1230.
• 18:50
  Speaker 8: I told you, when your paper's due, you're going to
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: be in trouble.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I was never that kid, though. I was getting it
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: done on the first day and then relaxed.
• 18:57
  Speaker 8: And now look what's happening.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: Now look.
• 18:58
  Speaker 8: The internet came along.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe a slacker. Slacker kids.
• 19:02
  Speaker 7: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: I can hear you whispering, children, so I know you're
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: down there.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I can feel myself getting awful mad. Here is all
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the passion and suspense, the heart-pounding warmth of the best-selling
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: novel that gripped millions.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, wake up!
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: Come on!
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: Superb, unforgettable performances by an extraordinary array of talent. The
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: combined powers of Paul Gregory and Charles Lawton brought the
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: King Mutiny court-martial to Broadway. Now the screen receives that
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: same creative, electrifying impact.
• 19:45
  Speaker 8: The Night of the Hunter. So, this week's... Sympatheta feature
• 19:50
  Speaker 8: is The Night of the Hunter. There is a the
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: on it, according to IMDb. The year is 1955. The
• 19:58
  Speaker 8: director is Charles Lawton and uncredited Robert Mitchum, which I
• 20:02
  Speaker 8: don't think I'd heard in the past.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: I hadn't either.
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: And the plot, according to IMDb, and you know how
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: accurate they are, A religious fanatic marries a gullible widow
• 20:12
  Speaker 8: whose young children are reluctant to tell him where the
• 20:15
  Speaker 8: real daddy hid $ 10, 000 he'd stolen in a robbery. Spoiler alert.
• 20:21
  Speaker 8: I would hope by now you've seen this, but either way, 1955,
• 20:24
  Speaker 8: do your homework too. So, where would you like to begin?
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: At the creepy floating kid heads we get right off
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: the bat? Because that's the most disturbing thing maybe in
• 20:35
  Speaker 8: the movie.
• 20:36
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 20:36
  Speaker 8: Those creepy... olin mills floating kid heads there.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I i i was not comfortable in the sky yeah
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: i know the.
• 20:44
  Speaker 8: Black screen opens up and creepy floating kid heads are
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: there and i'm just like what is going on lily
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: and gish explain this to me.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's like some surrealist thing right out of the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: gate like i've got nothing to say about that i
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: have no i have no i have no idea what's
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: going on there well And is Lillian Gish reading a
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: little poem or something at.
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: That point in time? She's preaching the word. Again, we
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: do come into a lot of these things that come
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: back later. At that point, though, you're totally like, what
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: the hell am I watching? I think maybe, again, at 55,
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: I'm trying to decide how much of all of this
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: stuff is, look at this new technology we have. Floating heads,
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: maybe they couldn't do before. I feel like they might
• 21:24
  Speaker 8: have been able to do that one. The one I
• 21:25
  Speaker 8: notice is the scenes right after that. Those look like
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: helicopter shots. And like non-stabilized helicopter shots. But I'm like,
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: had I seen helicopter shots before 1955? Like, I don't
• 21:38
  Speaker 8: remember seeing a lot of stuff because they're definitely like
• 21:41
  Speaker 8: zooming over the.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Farmland and the little kids.
• 21:44
  Speaker 8: And so, yeah, it's, it's, I don't know that, that
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: I think some.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Of it was just. You don't think it was a drone?
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: Probably, you know, one of those like steampunk drones, you know. Yeah.
• 21:54
  Speaker 8: They had coal powder. They had to put a little
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: guy in there shoveling coal in it the whole time
• 21:58
  Speaker 8: to keep it going. But. But yeah, so I don't know.
• 22:01
  Speaker 8: I think some of that was just like, look at
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: this cool stuff we can do. So then I guess
• 22:05
  Speaker 8: as we get into the story proper, I don't know.
• 22:08
  Speaker 8: We were not discussing because I'm constantly like, wait, let's
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: not go there. So earlier we were trying not to discuss,
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: because we'd both seen this before, how different it seemed now.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: So what was your new things? Or at least just
• 22:25
  Speaker 8: what do you remember from before that seems different now?
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I remembered, first of all, Pearl, who I love talking more,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: and I love her little speaking voice and all the
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: way she says her own name. I can't even mimic it,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: but she says her own name with kind of a
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: weird lisp or something. She can't quite say the R-L.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Part of Pearl.
• 22:42
  Speaker 8: Do you want me to save my real comments?
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I want you to try it. So I love Pearl.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't remember toward the end the other orphaned kids.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I didn't remember them at all.
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: Or maybe at the very end. See, that was my
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: take is I remembered it being such a chase movie.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: Like I really kind of felt like I remembered it
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: kicking in a little sooner. Like the whole situation with
• 23:08
  Speaker 8: dad and mom got taken in the first 15 minutes.
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: And the whole movie was just him trying to chase
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: these kids down.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Which he's not.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: And it's really not.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: No, it's like five minutes of that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: It's that one scene of them on the boat.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Which is an awesome, awesome, awesome scene because of the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: backlit frogs in the foreground.
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: That's what I was going to say. You mean the continual, look,
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: we have animals.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Look, here's a rat.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: Here's some rabbits.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Here's a fox and a tree.
• 23:33
  Speaker 8: Here's a big turtle.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: What's a big turtle walking around? Honestly, there was so much.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: The wildlife was lost on me.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And it was conspicuous. It was like, we have money
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: for a turtle. Let's get it.
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: It just seemed like our studio is next to a zoo.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: Let's make use of all these animals.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: No, but the backlit frog was very effective. And I'll
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: even give them the rabbits. But then it got a
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: little heavy handed.
• 23:54
  Speaker 8: I think just that, again, it's 55. People were like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: a fox?
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I think they were around a lot then.
• 24:00
  Speaker 8: It depends on what part of the country you're in.
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: People ate foxes back then. Maybe you're sitting in Chicago.
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: You're like, what is this animal? I live in the city.
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: I've never seen a fox before. I don't think so.
• 24:09
  Speaker 8: This movie is amazing. It has helicopter shots and foxes.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: What's a helicopter?
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: How are they doing this? That's how they attack King Kong, right?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Those heads in the sky are probably shooting that footage.
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I also remembered it being a little bit more that
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: weird sort of Lillian Gish's thing being more sort of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: ethereal and less grounded and she's less granny clamp it
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in my memory than she ended up being ultimately.
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: I mean it it sort of balances out a little
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: bit because we have so much of this that is
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: again it's all kind of about religion but at the
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: same time it's so like negative like you're watching someone
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: use God's name to kill people yeah And to continually
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: go on a killing spree just to fund themselves from
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: one town to the next.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: And he really is a man of God and doesn't
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: take advantage of the widows. He will not sleep with her,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: which I had forgotten.
• 25:10
  Speaker 8: It's a whole other issue to it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, let's get into the metaphor of the switchblade.
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: Which, again, how many jackets does he go through a week?
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: I know.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: I'm like, eventually I'm like.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: How many suits are you tearing up with that thing?
• 25:22
  Speaker 8: You're like your tailor's favorite customer, aren't you?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: The first time you see it, though, he's in that
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: burlesque house.
• 25:27
  Speaker 8: A little burlesque show. Which I'm like, what are you
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: doing there if you don't want to see this?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Don't you think this is a metaphor for an erection?
• 25:32
  Speaker 8: It's not so subtle, I'd say, if that's the case.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: But at the same time, that to me is so
• 25:37
  Speaker 8: weird because he's so angry. at that but I'm like
• 25:44
  Speaker 8: he's okay with killing he's okay with taking money from
• 25:47
  Speaker 8: all these people but anything sexual will like completely just
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: like again it's not even like he's annoyed he is
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: angry every time it comes up to the point of
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: pulling out the knife or whatever metaphor we want to
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: use but literally like it is and isn't that usually
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: what that kind of stuff is like it is some
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: sort of weird frustration and manifested sexual aggression that then
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: you're like Oh, I hate it. I hate it. It's
• 26:15
  Speaker 8: the same weird thing you get when priests and kids. Yeah,
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: that stuff's terrible. Wait, meet me later.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: Don't tell anyone.
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: It's always some sort of weird repressed thing that because
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: you are so anti-sexual anything, you become a creep and
• 26:31
  Speaker 8: you start finding new ways to some new horrible outlet
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: for your sexual frustration. So yeah, there's that going on.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: The thing, I don't know, do we want to get
• 26:42
  Speaker 8: to the big thing that I had in this? Because
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: I do not remember this. Again, I remember it mostly
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: being kind of like, again, it's shot very well. It's,
• 26:50
  Speaker 8: you know, very cool cinematography. Mitchum's performance is great. What
• 26:55
  Speaker 8: I didn't remember, and granted it's been a long time
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: since I've seen it, was to me there is just
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: a huge commentary on women's lives in this day and
• 27:06
  Speaker 8: age and maybe in general. Like, there's so... Again, it
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: was like, it wasn't like a one-off... At first, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 8: was like, it's just sort of a one-off comment because
• 27:15
  Speaker 8: it's 1955. And, you know, when the... I even wrote
• 27:18
  Speaker 8: the one down when the uncle guy, the crazy one
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: watching the boat, just like, oh, what a woman will
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: load on your back when he ain't looking. You know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 8: I'm like, that's the kind of shit guys say. Like,
• 27:28
  Speaker 8: you know, you can let that go. But as you
• 27:30
  Speaker 8: get further and further in, and we get to, like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 8: the Lillian Gish character, and, like, she is... in a way,
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: seemingly judgmental. She's almost like religious, crazy woman in the
• 27:41
  Speaker 8: town that looks down on everybody. But as you get
• 27:45
  Speaker 8: into it, that's not really what she is.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: No, she's actually pretty modern.
• 27:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And at the same time, I think hers were
• 27:52
  Speaker 8: just like, every time she sees one of these women
• 27:55
  Speaker 8: doing something, she's like, such darn fools. But at the
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: same time, she's also not putting down Every woman that
• 28:04
  Speaker 8: does these things, she's actually kind of putting the power
• 28:08
  Speaker 8: and the responsibility in their hands. They're like, if you're
• 28:10
  Speaker 8: going to go and have sex with these men, by
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: the way, take care of your children, not pawn them
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: off on me, which is what keeps happening. So like
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: she really is like. Way more advanced than any woman
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: in 1955 probably should have been.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: And she forgives that little teenage girl for meeting the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: boys and says, you're just looking for love. And she's
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: very sweet about it.
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: And I mean, that's another one. Like that whole thing,
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: once we get to, was she Meg? Meg?
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oldest orphan.
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: The oldest daughter. Yeah. Because I got to that point
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: and I was just like, what is going on with Ruby?
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: It's Ruby.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I should know. It's like my heroine in my book
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: is named Ruby. I should remember it.
• 28:47
  Speaker 8: Ruby has some issues. I don't know about yours.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: No.
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: Both of them do. This Ruby... I mean, the fact
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: that they bring her in and she's just constantly throwing
• 28:58
  Speaker 8: herself at any of these guys in town, which is
• 29:02
  Speaker 8: kind of creepy in its own way, and they're just
• 29:04
  Speaker 8: sort of waiting for, like, this happens all the time.
• 29:07
  Speaker 8: Here comes Ruby, so.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: That's... It's your turn tonight.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: That's weird. And then the fact that she is just
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: completely enamored with Mitchum, like... And for no good reason.
• 29:19
  Speaker 8: Is it because he buys her stuff? He bought her
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: an ice cream. He bought her ice cream and a
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: movie star magazine, and that's enough for Ruby.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Why, you're Ruby, ain't you, my child?
• 29:29
  Speaker 8: Can I have this?
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: Surely.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: I'd like to talk to you, my dear.
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: Will you buy me an ice cream? Of course.
• 29:35
  Speaker 8: Watch out, preacher. Why, preacher.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Shut your dirty mouths.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Ain't I pretty?
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Why, you're the prettiest thing I've ever seen in all
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: my wandering.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Ain't nobody never told.
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: You that, Rudy?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: No, no one never did.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: There's two new ones out to your place.
• 29:56
  Speaker 11: Uh-huh.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: What's their name?
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: Pearl and John.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: Is there a doll?
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: Only they don't ever let me play with it. Did
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: you ever see such pretty eyes.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: In all your born days?
• 30:17
  Speaker 8: Don't let him get away, sugar.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: He ain't like you all.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Next time I won't even ask him to buy me
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: an ice cream. I've been bad.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe what we're supposed to take from that
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: is he didn't disrespect her the way the other boys did.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: But he also didn't have any interest in her. So again,
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: is it that?
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: She doesn't know that.
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: Well, I don't know. Or is she that self-destructive that like, oh,
• 30:48
  Speaker 8: this guy's really going to treat me like shit. Oh,
• 30:51
  Speaker 8: I want him even more.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: There's so much going on with this that I did
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: not notice before.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: You're skipping all over ahead with the whole neighborhood thing.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: trying to pressure Shelly Winters into marrying Mitchum. She's single
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and he's interested. And that's it. It's all it takes.
• 31:09
  Speaker 8: That's, again, that's the thing. It wasn't like that one
• 31:12
  Speaker 8: thing at the beginning. It wasn't here. Like, the more
• 31:14
  Speaker 8: you got into it, like, that's a huge subplot going
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: on where we get the weird overbearing neighbor lady and
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: she is all in Shelly Winters' business. Yeah. And at
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: the same time, you get her little speeches of, like.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: A decent.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Hating sex. I just lay there.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: And take it. There's that one. But first of all,
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: a decent woman wouldn't want that.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: She lays there and thinks about her canning.
• 31:37
  Speaker 8: Canning. Canning, ladies and gentlemen. Canning. That's the code we're
• 31:41
  Speaker 8: using from here on out. So I was just like, what, again,
• 31:45
  Speaker 8: what is the, because I feel like.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That's really, I think that's really provocative conversation for a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: movie of that period.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: For that time period.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I just lay there and think about my kin.
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: And again, in like very public social circles there.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Isn't there a reaction from somebody that overhears it and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: is like.
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: They're like, here, try my potato salad. By the way,
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: when I'm screwing the old man.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Just totally thinking about candy and peaches.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: And that but again, like to me, that is like
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: all the way through. We're getting these different takes on it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: And the fact that she herself is just like, I'm
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: involved in this relationship, but I I'm not allowed to
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: get any pleasure out of that.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: No.
• 32:26
  Speaker 8: Then why are you... It's not like this guy's a looker.
• 32:29
  Speaker 8: What are you doing in this relation?
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Like, it makes no.
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: It's the security.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing that Robert Mitchum said when Shelley
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Winters tried to have sex on their honey... on their
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: wedding night.
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: And Mitchum said, you're not wanting to have any more kids.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: That's what your body's for is make... is breeding. If
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you don't want to breed... i'm not fucking you.
• 32:44
  Speaker 8: That's what i'm saying like this is all nothing but
• 32:47
  Speaker 8: weird repressed sexuality across the board like everybody involved.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Every storyline is a female either disempowerment or empowerment.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: But i mean that's when i don't remember it being
• 32:58
  Speaker 8: sold as that but i also feel like it's super
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: like progressive about it too because it's saying those things
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: but it's almost saying it with a slant of like
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: yeah this is what people say isn't it And this
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: is bullshit. Like, I feel like it's got a viewpoint
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: and it's giving it to you. And if you're dumb,
• 33:15
  Speaker 8: you can just go, yep, sure is. You should really
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: be thinking about your canon. Or there's other people in
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: the audience that are like, yeah, here's all what's wrong
• 33:24
  Speaker 8: with your society. Like all of these things going on.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: And yeah, so I don't, there's all of that stuff
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: that comes into play that I don't remember seeing. And I,
• 33:35
  Speaker 8: it's really interesting watching Shelly winter's character in general, because, again,
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: you feel like what little we, well, we saw pretty
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: much none of the original relationship. We just saw dad
• 33:45
  Speaker 8: with the kids. So, but you feel like that was
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: probably built out of actual love.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: We hope so.
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: The kids seem somewhat normal as you can be for
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: that messed up situation. So then you get into, like,
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: she just, from that point on, like, all she wants
• 34:01
  Speaker 8: to do is, like, I guess that is what you do.
• 34:04
  Speaker 8: You provide for your family and you do that by
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: marrying the first guy.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: No, she initially said it. All she cared about was
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: providing for the kids.
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: She had a job. She had a job.
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: At Spoons?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: I want to go hang out at Spoons, by the way.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: It's a lot going down there.
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: That place.
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: But I think she's got beaten down by Busybody. By
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a neighbor lady.
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah. What is wrong with her? But again, that's probably
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: a good portion of the society at that point. So yeah,
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: the fact that this movie is taking a different stance
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: is kind of cool for 1955. I don't know. I
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: just remember not noticing all that. I just remember more
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: of the Mitchum chase scenes and stuff.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So going back, it's a very... It
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: felt more about him being ominous and him chasing.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: I feel like, again, I always feel like it's built
• 34:57
  Speaker 8: up as his movie, and I feel like he's not
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: even the lead. Like, what's the kid, John?
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: He kind of becomes our de facto lead character as
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: it goes on, because everybody else dies, or it's Robert Mitchum,
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: but he's just there to be the menace. Like, he's
• 35:14
  Speaker 8: just there to send them from one scene to the next,
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: one adventure, if you want to call it that, one
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: animal on the side of the river to the next. Right. Again,
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: if we want to jump to that kid, I think
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: he is great. Like, there's a little dated. Again, you
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: have to kind of adjust for 1955 acting. But I
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: think for a kid actor, he is solid to be
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: carrying as much of the movie as he is.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: And heavy material.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: It's, I mean, watching his dad get taken away, his
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: dad gets killed. At any given moment, his little sister
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: could be in. they really put in like this responsibility
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: on his part of like taking care of Pearl. Like
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: I got to go take care of Pearl. Like that's
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: what he does. Like that is, which thinking back, you know,
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: the stories you hear about people at that time and
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: generations before, there probably wouldn't be that many kids alive
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: if their older siblings didn't take care of them. Because
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: most parents were out, you know, coal mines somewhere working.
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: So the fact that an 11 year old is running
• 36:11
  Speaker 8: the family, I mean, my grandmother kind of did that. So,
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: You hear those stories and you're like, if the older
• 36:16
  Speaker 8: siblings didn't step up, those kids probably weren't around for
• 36:19
  Speaker 8: much longer. So it's maybe a decent representation of how
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: life was when you were a little kid. There's not
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: much time to be a little kid at that point.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: No. I was also impressed with how Pearl, how old
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: is she?
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Four?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: How old is Pearl, you think?
• 36:35
  Speaker 8: Probably.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: She's pretty young. Four or five.
• 36:38
  Speaker 8: Pretty young.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: She has a very big burden on her, and I
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: think she handles the pressure of that incredibly well. Are
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: we allowed to give away what's going on?
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: We threw out the spoiler alert, so go ahead and.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: So basically what happens is a guy wants to support
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: his family better. He kills two men. Steals 10 grand,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: comes home, tells them to hide the money. It's hidden
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: in the little girl's doll. And the whole show is
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: basically Robert Mitchum trying to find out where that money
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: has been hidden. And Pearl is continually assaulted verbally and
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: plied and pressured to confess where the money is. because
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: she's given away that she knows. I promised I wouldn't tell, like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: at the top, so now we know you fucking know, dumbass.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And that, for me, were the tensest moments, when she
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: was being pressured to tell. But I don't know how
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that little boy, the pressure on him, watching her and
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: not being, you know.
• 37:33
  Speaker 8: And not cracking. Which eventually, he's just like, for the
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: love of God, leave her alone.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: But they, yeah, those kids are, fuck.
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: It's, yeah, that in and of itself It's pretty impressive.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Well, now, what's it to be, Lord?
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Another widow? How many's it been? Six?
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Twelve?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I just remembered.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: You say the word, Lord.
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: I'm on my way. I guess just as you get, again,
• 38:09
  Speaker 8: if you're coming back to the religion aspect of it, like, Again,
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: it's painted in such a horrible light in the beginning
• 38:15
  Speaker 8: of watching this guy abuse his religious power. And some
• 38:19
  Speaker 8: of it he doesn't even have. You feel like he's
• 38:21
  Speaker 8: just a preacher, in quotes. And like there's no, he
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: ordained himself, I'm assuming. Because, yeah, it's not like there's
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: any reason. But it is one of those things I've
• 38:32
  Speaker 8: brought up on recent episodes. It's a time when you
• 38:36
  Speaker 8: could create your own story and you could leave one
• 38:38
  Speaker 8: town and go to the next and start over.
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: And I said that all the way up through the
• 38:43
  Speaker 8: 80s because I was talking about that with Henry Ford,
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: the serial killer. Like even into the 80s, you could
• 38:47
  Speaker 8: just disappear almost.
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: That was kind of the last when everything started getting
• 38:52
  Speaker 8: logged into computers and you couldn't just move from one
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: town to the next and start over. But like this guy,
• 38:58
  Speaker 8: I mean, he's not even very good at it. I mean,
• 39:01
  Speaker 8: when he kills their mom, it's a shallow pond nearby.
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: I know. And it's not even like, It was an accident.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: She's still tied up.
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: You at least make it look like she crashed her
• 39:13
  Speaker 8: car into the pond.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: He cut her throat.
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: Everything about that, I'm like, there's a reason you're going
• 39:19
  Speaker 8: to get caught.
• 39:19
  Speaker 10: Spoiler alert.
• 39:20
  Speaker 8: Because you're not a very good criminal.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It's such a small town. like how did no one
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: hear anything and where's the blood what but.
• 39:30
  Speaker 8: That's magic i guess you couldn't get away with near
• 39:32
  Speaker 8: as much gore no so they had to make it
• 39:36
  Speaker 8: a nice clean cut that still managed to disturb the
• 39:39
  Speaker 8: old man because he's pretty.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Messed up i don't know why they why does he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: think the whole town's gonna blame him Because he drinks?
• 39:46
  Speaker 8: I guess.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Because he's a drunk. He's the town drunk.
• 39:48
  Speaker 8: I guess because everybody. But again, that's one of those
• 39:50
  Speaker 8: like you can just pick up and move. And like
• 39:53
  Speaker 8: according to that, it was what, 25 times that he's
• 39:56
  Speaker 8: done that? Like that's scary and amazing that like that
• 40:02
  Speaker 8: was the world that we lived in at that point
• 40:04
  Speaker 8: was you could just do whatever the hell you want.
• 40:07
  Speaker 8: call yourself a man of God, move into a new town.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Despite the fact that you have hate and love tattooed
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: on your knuckles like most preachers do.
• 40:14
  Speaker 8: That's another one I was like, this again showing the
• 40:17
  Speaker 8: datedness of it. The fact that he specifically had to
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: explain that so often because nobody had tattoos really. Sailors
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: and guys from prison. That was the only guys that
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: had tattoos. So it was like, They do at least
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: address the fact that every time he comes to a
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: new situation, he's like, well, let me tell you the story.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: It's a pretty lame story, too, by the way.
• 40:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: It doesn't have any real meat to it.
• 40:41
  Speaker 8: You kind of expect a little more, but I think
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: that's about what we get from Eddie in Rocky. There's
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: just no real, again, for the original conception of that
• 40:51
  Speaker 8: thing that I've now seen a million times over, it
• 40:54
  Speaker 8: doesn't really have much weight.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: Right. Have you seen The Killings? The Killing is a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: racetrack heist movie. Stanley Kubrick's second movie.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: Yes, but it's been a long time.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: This movie and that movie have... A lot. Well, they
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: have the same disappointing ending. Similar endings. The ending is
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: really unsatisfying.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 8: This one, I mean, I don't remember the pacing being
• 41:24
  Speaker 8: so weird because it takes that turn of him chasing
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: them and then it just kind of veers into that
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: orphan house it.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Becomes like the waltons for like half an hour a few.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: Minutes and then like he shows up again subtle as
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: he is singing the whole way he is just insane
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: i suppose because he's he's not good at any of
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: these steps even to the point where he stole the
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: horse and killed a man in the process he didn't
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: just steal his horse he had to take him out
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: along the way but then uh like when you get
• 41:53
  Speaker 8: to him coming to the house and she's waiting there
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: with the shotgun and He runs away. He's like, I'm
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: coming back after dark. Don't tell him. I'm like, don't.
• 42:04
  Speaker 8: You could have gotten away with it, probably. If you
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: would have shut up, you could have come and kidnapped
• 42:08
  Speaker 8: Pearl and ran off with the doll. Nobody would have known,
• 42:11
  Speaker 8: but some idiot told her.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Except for you meddlesome kids.
• 42:15
  Speaker 8: Don't put that shotgun away, because I'll be back. Be
• 42:19
  Speaker 8: at alert. So, yeah, watching... Her just sit there all
• 42:24
  Speaker 8: night with the shotgun waiting to shoot him, which she does,
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: by the way.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Which she does, and he reacts like a wild animal.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: He screams like a wild animal, and he runs and
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: hides in the barn like a wild animal. And she
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: calls the places I have something caught in the barn
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: like it's a wild animal. Maybe there's some animal... Like
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: a theme that we're not putting together.
• 42:42
  Speaker 8: It's sort of a.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Like they're symbolic of him and his wildness or something.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 42:47
  Speaker 8: I'm stretching. That crazy turtle we saw earlier.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: But it seems like the slow-moving tortoise, the clever fox,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: the bullfrog. I don't know.
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think it balances that out, though, because
• 43:01
  Speaker 8: the Blingish is so level-headed by the time we get there,
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: which you don't necessarily expect, especially getting... Kind of preached
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: at in that opening scene. You're like, oh God, where's
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: this going to go? And she's kind of gruff when
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: you meet her. Like you think, again, I watched that scene.
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: I'm like, ah, back in the day when you could
• 43:19
  Speaker 8: beat a child, you didn't even know. That's not even
• 43:23
  Speaker 8: his mom. Like she met him a few minutes ago
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: and she's beating his ass.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Right, what did he do? Get out of the tub?
• 43:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he didn't want to take a bath. Have you
• 43:33
  Speaker 8: met a child? That happens a lot, I hate to
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: tell you. So once again, things that couldn't take place
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: in today's world. Right. Just wailing on him for that.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she did.
• 43:41
  Speaker 8: But again, that was.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: She was in pent-up frustration herself.
• 43:44
  Speaker 8: Back in, you know, the time, that was hilarious. That
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: was like the funny part of the movie. Watch any
• 43:51
  Speaker 8: of those little movies. There's a lot of child beating
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: going on. Which explains future generations, but we're sidetracked. So then, yeah,
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: I think it is kind of interesting that she, after that,
• 44:03
  Speaker 8: kind of right after that, when she starts to see
• 44:06
  Speaker 8: how serious this is, and she's like, you guys aren't
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: just runaways. Like, something's gone wrong here. And, like, from
• 44:12
  Speaker 8: that point on, she kind of turns a corner, and, like,
• 44:15
  Speaker 8: she's super level-headed about the way she deals with them.
• 44:18
  Speaker 8: She's very supportive of, like, I guess John kind of, like,
• 44:22
  Speaker 8: conscious of what's going on, so I think she takes
• 44:24
  Speaker 8: a little extra care with him, you'd probably just give
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: her the doll and she seems to be okay by herself,
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: but he's definitely the weight of that, you know, watching
• 44:32
  Speaker 8: my dad be hauled away is kind of taking it,
• 44:34
  Speaker 8: being chased down by this murderer is sort of taking
• 44:37
  Speaker 8: its toll, so I feel like, yeah, she takes a
• 44:40
  Speaker 8: little extra time to be like, okay, I'm gonna use
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: the Bible, but I'm gonna use the Bible to tell
• 44:44
  Speaker 8: you stuff maybe you might need to know, like it
• 44:47
  Speaker 8: is sort of shoehorning like life lessons into the Bible,
• 44:50
  Speaker 8: which is kind of how it should work, I guess.
• 44:52
  Speaker 8: If you're a Bible-y person, you know, that's what you're
• 44:55
  Speaker 8: supposed to take from it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Did she even change a Bible story? What was that
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: two kings business when it was Moses and he asked,
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: were there two kings? I didn't quite follow what that was.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: He needed the story to be a certain way and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: she conceded that in fact, maybe she misremembered the Bible
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and he was right.
• 45:08
  Speaker 8: Doesn't that happen a lot actually? Listen to people preach. Yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: I feel like sometimes they're using whatever the hell they want.
• 45:17
  Speaker 8: And changing a lot of it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: But.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: Was Moses sent adrift down a river and found in
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: the reeds?
• 45:22
  Speaker 8: He was. As I remember it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 8: In your Sunday school days.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I heard downstairs in the.
• 45:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm sure all the horned.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Is that supposed to be tied into this river boat
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: ride they took down with the wild animals?
• 45:36
  Speaker 8: I mean, I feel like it's, again, not the most
• 45:38
  Speaker 8: subtle mirroring of it. But, you know, I guess that's
• 45:43
  Speaker 8: what they're going for. I don't know that... Is he
• 45:45
  Speaker 8: going to save them? Is he going to rescue them
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: from the desert?
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:51
  Speaker 8: I don't know, but there's definitely like a parallel that
• 45:55
  Speaker 8: they're trying to draw there that I don't know if
• 45:57
  Speaker 8: it's got a grand purpose.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: It didn't have much of a payoff.
• 46:00
  Speaker 8: Or if it was just like, hey, she's going to
• 46:02
  Speaker 8: tell a bunch of Bible stories. How about one that's
• 46:03
  Speaker 8: pretty close to that scene we just wrote? You wonder
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: sometimes how much just comes up after, like you're midway in.
• 46:09
  Speaker 8: There's not a grand scheme here. It's just like, hey,
• 46:12
  Speaker 8: you know what?
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Right. That's funny, when I was in film, I did
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: a year of film school at BU, and we watched Psycho,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and had to tear every single second of that film
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: apart for every ounce of symbolic blood to be fucking
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: juiced from it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 8: There's a little in there.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: I know, but at a certain point, it becomes like, okay,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: she's wearing a blue hat because that's what the costumers
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: gave her. It doesn't, you know, it was a black
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and white.
• 46:37
  Speaker 8: Movie, but... I was going to say, well, it's kind
• 46:39
  Speaker 8: of great, but.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: That shade of gray. But you get my point. Some
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: things just happen accidentally in movie making. Everything is so
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: totally thought out.
• 46:50
  Speaker 8: I kind of like that in a way. On the
• 46:53
  Speaker 8: one hand, it's sometimes just a bunch of pretentious film
• 46:56
  Speaker 8: students sitting around patting each other on the back. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 8: Don't know about yours. I've just heard a lot of
• 47:01
  Speaker 8: horror stories from little groups of film students that get
• 47:04
  Speaker 8: together and.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: I just did a year and I was out of there.
• 47:09
  Speaker 8: But at the same time, I think there's some, and
• 47:13
  Speaker 8: I said this on a recent episode, I like that
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: we're all left to interpret what we want from it
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: because I think that does prove that it's an art
• 47:20
  Speaker 8: form that like you really can like, even if it's stuff,
• 47:23
  Speaker 8: you know, Hitchcock didn't put in that movie. If you're
• 47:25
  Speaker 8: taking it from there, that's, that's your movie. Like it is,
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: it does kind of make these our own experiences and we,
• 47:33
  Speaker 8: Find things in there that maybe even the director didn't
• 47:36
  Speaker 8: know was there or want there or care for you
• 47:39
  Speaker 8: to take from it. But once you put it out there,
• 47:42
  Speaker 8: it is sort of its own work of art and
• 47:44
  Speaker 8: you do with it as you will. So, yeah, I
• 47:47
  Speaker 8: think to an extent I like that just because I
• 47:49
  Speaker 8: like the free form. If you're willing to put that
• 47:52
  Speaker 8: much thought into a piece of art in any way,
• 47:55
  Speaker 8: shape or form, more power to you. I don't have
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: to agree with you, but. I might also tell you
• 48:00
  Speaker 8: to just settle down. It's just a hat they handed
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: to her on the set.
• 48:04
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: In room 237.
• 48:05
  Speaker 8: Yeah. They're giving the finger to that thing. There's some
• 48:08
  Speaker 8: interesting thing. Again, if we're on that one, there's some
• 48:11
  Speaker 8: interesting things that I'm like, all right.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. Kubrick's a weird guy.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Oh, that's kind of cool. Maybe that much he did
• 48:18
  Speaker 8: put in there. Okay, wait. You're just crazy.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 48:21
  Speaker 8: We can pick and choose. There's some stuff that I'm like,
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: you've got a point.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: They lost me.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: You're insane.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:27
  Speaker 8: It's different takes on it, but- Again, it's not like
• 48:30
  Speaker 8: that's a movie that doesn't have some other stuff going
• 48:35
  Speaker 8: on there.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 48:36
  Speaker 8: But not necessarily to that extent. But, I mean, you
• 48:40
  Speaker 8: guys have fun. Yeah. You do whatever you need to
• 48:43
  Speaker 8: do and enjoy your movie.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 8: So, again.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: If you play it backwards, come on.
• 48:50
  Speaker 8: That means you've got too much damn free time on
• 48:51
  Speaker 8: your hands.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Who even can play a movie backwards?
• 48:55
  Speaker 8: I'm sure.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Sure.
• 48:56
  Speaker 8: Somebody out there can hook you up with a program
• 48:58
  Speaker 8: that will reverse it.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And then you play it with Pink Floyd's. No, stop.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 8: And then the witch comes out. It's magic.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: It's just like.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: Also depends on how stoned you are at that point. Yeah.
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: These are our great thinkers that are coming up with
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: these plans.
• 49:19
  Speaker 5: So.
• 49:20
  Speaker 8: Moses where we veered off down the river so i
• 49:25
  Speaker 8: don't i i think if we're again looking at some
• 49:28
  Speaker 8: of the artsy your stuff i like i was gonna
• 49:30
  Speaker 8: see what your take i don't have a problem sometimes
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: it depends on the movie you will get stuff that
• 49:36
  Speaker 8: is very theatrical like theater, almost theatrical. Like when we
• 49:41
  Speaker 8: get to, when they get off the boat the first
• 49:44
  Speaker 8: time and they're at that barn, it's just a cutout.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a silhouette.
• 49:48
  Speaker 8: And I'm like, I kind of like that.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it too.
• 49:51
  Speaker 8: I'm like, as long as, and I've kind of always
• 49:53
  Speaker 8: said that even about like low budget movies and stuff
• 49:56
  Speaker 8: like that. I'm like, even if you're trying to tell
• 49:58
  Speaker 8: an epic sci-fi story and you don't have the budget
• 50:00
  Speaker 8: to make it look good, if I get what you're
• 50:02
  Speaker 8: going for, like I can kind of write you a pass.
• 50:05
  Speaker 8: Either you're taking an artistic take on it and you're
• 50:08
  Speaker 8: making your sets on a cardboard, or you just don't
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: have money. But if you're getting your point across of
• 50:13
  Speaker 8: what's going on in the scene, you're doing your job.
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: That's first and foremost what you need to be doing,
• 50:19
  Speaker 8: and I like that choice. I think we've seen plenty
• 50:22
  Speaker 8: of other sets that could have built a building if
• 50:25
  Speaker 8: they wanted to.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sure there was a farm, a barn.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: There's tons of other, yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I liked it, but it does stand sort
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: of in stark contrast to... helicopter shots they've got gloriously
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: backlit frogs in the foreground and then you've got a
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: cardboard cut out of a barn.
• 50:42
  Speaker 8: But again and they're like not so subtle like we
• 50:45
  Speaker 8: get that close-up shot of the flies and the spider
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: web yeah so again it's they're they're going out of
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: their way to make sure they're hammering some of these
• 50:54
  Speaker 8: like points home but again some of the other stuff
• 50:59
  Speaker 8: I feel like you get all that whole other subplot
• 51:01
  Speaker 8: is like, you really kind of, especially in 1955, I
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: bet you really had to be paying attention to be like,
• 51:06
  Speaker 8: you know what? I'm kind of getting the vibe off
• 51:08
  Speaker 8: this movie. Whereas some of this other is not so subtle.
• 51:12
  Speaker 8: So I kind of like that, you know, there's a
• 51:14
  Speaker 8: little thing, a little bit for everybody in there. You
• 51:17
  Speaker 8: can kind of balance it out.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:18
  Speaker 8: It's like, it can just be a guy chasing down
• 51:21
  Speaker 8: some kids for money, but there's some other stuff going
• 51:24
  Speaker 8: on too, if you're looking for it.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: So.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: It obviously evolves. So I've seen it a couple of
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: times and I was a lot younger the first time.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: I was probably in high school the first time I
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: saw it. And I've seen it probably once or twice
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: in the interim.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: And I feel like it's different every time, the older
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: you get.
• 51:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah. And I mean, is it, is that, because she
• 51:43
  Speaker 8: wraps it up with that. And again, we see the animals,
• 51:46
  Speaker 8: our favorite thing we get, we get an owl and
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: a rabbit this time.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: What do rabbits symbolize?
• 51:53
  Speaker 8: Innocence?
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Is that wisdom and innocence?
• 51:56
  Speaker 8: Don't make me go on my whole... My take on
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: Watership Down.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, God. Which I haven't read since I was nine
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: years old.
• 52:06
  Speaker 8: I was just going by the movie as a child,
• 52:08
  Speaker 8: and the opening scene, they go through that whole almost
• 52:12
  Speaker 8: cave art version of the rabbits, and basically the rabbits
• 52:16
  Speaker 8: are the lowest form of life on the planet, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: everything is out to destroy them. And me, as a child,
• 52:24
  Speaker 8: that's what I'm taking from it. It took me this
• 52:26
  Speaker 8: time watching it, you know, when I watched it for
• 52:28
  Speaker 8: the show, that I was like, oh God, is that
• 52:30
  Speaker 8: why I am this way? Because within that context, the
• 52:35
  Speaker 8: world is out to destroy you is what you can
• 52:37
  Speaker 8: take from that. Because the rabbit is not an attack
• 52:43
  Speaker 8: animal in any way, shape, or form. So, you know,
• 52:46
  Speaker 8: within the context of that story, like cats, dogs, birds...
• 52:50
  Speaker 8: man more than anything comes along and will always destroy you.
• 52:54
  Speaker 8: So again, is that what we're taking with this? That
• 52:56
  Speaker 8: like the kids are the rabbits and the world has
• 52:59
  Speaker 8: been out to get them since the day they were
• 53:02
  Speaker 8: born to the point of like, we're going to kill
• 53:04
  Speaker 8: both of your parents. There's an insane man after you.
• 53:07
  Speaker 8: He's going to track you across States. Probably. We couldn't
• 53:11
  Speaker 8: even tell how long it's like, I mean, how long
• 53:14
  Speaker 8: is he chasing those kids? And, First, I'm like, again,
• 53:17
  Speaker 8: that's another one of those. I'm like, how is he
• 53:19
  Speaker 8: keeping up with where they, I mean, they're in a.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: They said that when they, after the silhouetted bar.
• 53:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: He said, doesn't he ever sleep?
• 53:25
  Speaker 8: But even like that river could go other places. Right. So.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe not.
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: Maybe it's not. Maybe there doesn't be off somewhere else.
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: I don't know. But I was just like, how does
• 53:34
  Speaker 8: he even know where to keep up with them? Like
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: there's no GPS. Damn it.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right.
• 53:39
  Speaker 8: He's MapQuest-ing his way around. Oh, wait, I got their phone.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Waze.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: He's Waze-ing his ways there.
• 53:44
  Speaker 8: Pearl kept tweeting the whole way. That's what it was.
• 53:47
  Speaker 8: She's just like, look at this bunny rabbit I just saw.
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: Photo.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Look at this amazing tortoise.
• 53:52
  Speaker 8: So that's probably what it was. That's how he kept up.
• 53:55
  Speaker 8: But yeah, I think that is kind of the one
• 53:57
  Speaker 8: they hit at the end is like, the world is
• 54:00
  Speaker 8: hard on little things.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Well, she literally says those words.
• 54:04
  Speaker 8: No, once again, they're back with the not-so-subtle. But I'm like,
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: where else are we taking that? Is it that simple?
• 54:12
  Speaker 8: Is that actually all that they're trying to say? Or
• 54:15
  Speaker 8: is it even more overpowering than that?
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: No, but the children will abide.
• 54:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: So there's sort of like a Teflon strength in what
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: seems to be the weakest thing.
• 54:24
  Speaker 8: I mean, that is kids in general sometimes. Like you
• 54:28
  Speaker 8: look at like, you know, adults will not survive, but...
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: You watch the thing that kids will endure sometimes.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Because they don't know any difference. Everything's normal.
• 54:37
  Speaker 8: But also, there's a strength, I think, that hasn't been
• 54:41
  Speaker 8: beaten out of you by life, too. That sometimes you
• 54:44
  Speaker 8: will put the worst things on little kids, and they'll
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: just be like, I'm dealing with it. They don't know
• 54:50
  Speaker 8: not to deal with it.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Well, they don't know that it's not happening to everybody.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: It's not just how life goes. I had a dog
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: lose an eye. That dog, and then he lost his
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: second eye. And we would joke, and he'd be like,
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: I guess you just go blind when you're 10. That's
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: what happens. I don't know. And he was cool with it.
• 55:05
  Speaker 8: The dog's running around on three legs, and I'm just like.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I guess you lose a leg.
• 55:10
  Speaker 8: Look, I can still get over to the food. Good enough.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:12
  Speaker 8: Exactly.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I can still smell pee.
• 55:14
  Speaker 8: That's all I need. The important things in life. Yeah.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I thought that was actually the most insightful thing was
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: that the kids are so sort of.
• 55:22
  Speaker 8: Resilient.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:24
  Speaker 8: That no matter what, they kept pushing forward and survival...
• 55:29
  Speaker 8: instinct if nothing else but and i guess that like
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: sense of of like family and duty and like he
• 55:36
  Speaker 8: was always like no matter what i'm gonna take care
• 55:39
  Speaker 8: of pearl like he'd at least gotten old enough to
• 55:41
  Speaker 8: worry about that she was still kind of a little
• 55:43
  Speaker 8: kid but like he'd already gotten to that point of
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: taking on responsibility to be as little a kid as
• 55:48
  Speaker 8: he was he's like i'm taking care of my family
• 55:51
  Speaker 8: this is all there is now yeah it's me and
• 55:53
  Speaker 8: this doll so you know Like the three of us
• 55:56
  Speaker 8: are heading down the river. So yeah, I think that
• 56:00
  Speaker 8: kind of shows something too. So again, like it will
• 56:03
  Speaker 8: hammer you over the head with one point, but kind
• 56:05
  Speaker 8: of like ease these other ones in. They're a little
• 56:07
  Speaker 8: smarter than probably you would expect from certain movies. I
• 56:12
  Speaker 8: don't know. It's a complicated film. It is. It is.
• 56:17
  Speaker 8: Do we think we've hit most of our important points?
• 56:20
  Speaker 8: I think we have.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if those potatoes they were given were
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: cooked or raw.
• 56:25
  Speaker 8: I think they were just wrong i think they were
• 56:27
  Speaker 8: too i mean again they didn't seem like they were
• 56:29
  Speaker 8: real fancy with those children they.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: Just said a fucking potato get out of here.
• 56:33
  Speaker 8: Here's a potato get off my lawn what did i
• 56:36
  Speaker 8: tell you kids don't make me get the shotgun third
• 56:39
  Speaker 8: kid i winged this week get off my lawn oh
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: that you always have to worry about gypsies those damn
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: gypsies always snatching your kids and horses and I just
• 56:52
  Speaker 8: let they through that line.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: It was random because it wasn't even a gypsy who
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: did it. It was the preacher.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: I was like, the damn gypsies. Gypsies.
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Trust them. Back to the story.
• 57:02
  Speaker 8: Anyway. Gypsies.
• 57:04
  Speaker 7: Don't trust them, guys.
• 57:05
  Speaker 8: But anyway. So, yeah. It's just little messages hidden in
• 57:10
  Speaker 8: this thing all throughout.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: If I'd watched it at 12 noon rather than 12 midnight,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: I might have more insight.
• 57:17
  Speaker 8: Well, if you weren't putting off your work.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I was a bad kid.
• 57:22
  Speaker 8: You have to go stand in the corner. All right. Well,
• 57:26
  Speaker 8: is there anything else you'd like to pass along? Should
• 57:28
  Speaker 8: people follow you on that wonderful Facebook that you have? Yeah.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: There's a closing window on that. I'm rapidly approaching the 5,000.
• 57:35
  Speaker 8: Then you'll get a fancy fan page.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I don't want to manage. I already managed the blog page,
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: the book page, the short film page, my page.
• 57:41
  Speaker 8: You sound like me now. No.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: I can't do a fan page.
• 57:44
  Speaker 8: I've got to start an Instagram account. You people are
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: killing me.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I already have all that, too. I've got that. I
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: even have a Tumblr account. I'm going above and beyond it.
• 57:52
  Speaker 8: I update my MySpace page all the time. I'm on
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: top of these technical things.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't know what I'm going to do
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: when I hit the 5,000. What is that about?
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: Why do they care?
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: Facebooks are jerks.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: They really are arbitrarily jerks.
• 58:07
  Speaker 8: There's no reason for it.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: No.
• 58:08
  Speaker 8: They've never given a reason.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: They don't get paid for the fan pages. If you
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: had to buy a fan page, that would make sense.
• 58:15
  Speaker 8: It'd be different. And then they still don't work on
• 58:19
  Speaker 8: top of it. If we're talking smack about Facebook. I mean, like,
• 58:24
  Speaker 8: they changed all their weird settings so that now nobody
• 58:27
  Speaker 8: sees any of your stuff. So there's no point in
• 58:29
  Speaker 8: having either page, really. Take offense if you want, Facebook.
• 58:32
  Speaker 8: I don't care.
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: Suckerberg.
• 58:34
  Speaker 8: But I was like, yeah, ever since they've done that,
• 58:38
  Speaker 8: I'm just like, this is kind of just fancy email. Like,
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: there's a handful of people who get to see, like,
• 58:44
  Speaker 8: your nonstop throwing photos out there or whatever. But, like,
• 58:47
  Speaker 8: all these other people who don't know what thing to
• 58:49
  Speaker 8: click don't see any of it. So it's kind of useless.
• 58:52
  Speaker 8: So something needs to hurry up and take over Facebook.
• 58:54
  Speaker 8: Now my Facebook rant is over.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, please no. I've got so much invested
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: in Facebook at this point in time. Like half my
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: life is just documented there. If it goes away.
• 59:04
  Speaker 8: You better start backing up those photos.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: I have it all. I have them. But my God,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: I like that. they're just sort of just the best
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: of the best is out there important moments I don't
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: want to go trolling through I have like 70,000 photos
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: on my phone because I take so many photos of.
• 59:19
  Speaker 8: Food That's a whole other weird.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: For the blog.
• 59:24
  Speaker 8: For the blog is what we're saying.
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: I could take 150 shots of one dish. It's not
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: like I'm photographing 150 dishes a day.
• 59:32
  Speaker 8: Either way, it seems like there's an issue there too.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: It's a food blog. It's not an issue. It's a
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: food blog.
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: Anyway, but no, it is... We have created... That's the
• 59:42
  Speaker 8: one thing I think is funny about it and it
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: started even before Facebook. As you said, it's the best.
• 59:47
  Speaker 12: Of the best.
• 59:48
  Speaker 8: It's not really a document of our life. It's what
• 59:50
  Speaker 8: we choose to put out there as the best part
• 59:53
  Speaker 8: of our life. Guys, don't you wish you were living
• 59:55
  Speaker 8: this awesome life? Look at the food I'm eating. Look
• 59:58
  Speaker 8: at the awesome convention. Look at the van I almost
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 8: got kidnapped in. So you can pick and choose the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 8: life you want to put out there for people. Yes,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 8: of course.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: So you can look at it and pretend you don't
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: hate yourself.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: Friends that you don't really like anymore, just like, It's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 8: really just to make other people jealous. That's all we
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 8: really use.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: No, I block those people.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 8: It's for stalking people and making other people jealous. It's
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 8: a sick little world on the internet.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 8: So please, come stalk her.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Come stalk me in my myriad worlds.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: Well, please, yeah, have fun on the Facebooks. And thank
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 8: you for joining us once again.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me for my return engagement.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 8: You are invited back anytime. We can probably pick a
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: movie now and then you'll have a couple of years
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 8: to watch it.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: But either way, thank you for sitting in. I think
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: that's about it.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 8: Otherwise, we will return next time. Same geek feed. Thanks
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 8: for listening.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 13: I was born of a womb of a poison, a
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 13: spell Beated and broken and chased.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 12: From the land But I rise up above it, high
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 12: up above it And.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 9: See I was hung from a tree, made of thorns
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: of a wing The branches, the bones of the liars,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 9: the thieves Rise up.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 10: Above it, high up above it Pray to your God,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 10: open your heart. Whatever you do, don't be afraid of
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 10: the dark. Cover your eyes, the devil is out. 1, 2, 3, 5.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: Rise, I'll rise, I'll rise.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 12: I'll skin the life ripped apart.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 10: Scattered rashes, buried heart. Rise up above it all.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 8: Pray to your God.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 10: Open your heart. Whatever you do, don't be afraid of
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 10: the dark. Cover your eyes with devil's eyes.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Oh no!
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 10: Just stand alone Just stand alone.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 13: Honest to God, I will break your heart. Tear you
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 13: to pieces or rip you apart. Honest to God, I
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 13: will break your heart. Tear you to pieces and rip.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 9: You apart Honest to God I will break your heart.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 12: Tear you to pieces and rip you apart Honest to
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 12: God I will break your heart Tear you to pieces.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Bye.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Bye. Bye.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: Okay, I have an update. So we finished talking about
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 8: that movie last night, making the very specific point that
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: we did about certain special guest stars in it. Actually,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: I'm walking away from you. You got in your vehicle.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: I was maybe 60 seconds away from you. And right
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: out in front of me in the sidewalk, this giant
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: raccoon came out and stood up on his hind legs
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 8: on the sidewalk looking around. He was very well lit.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: I think he had a makeup person. And then he went, oh,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: I guess I should go hide again.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 7: And he went back in the bushes.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 8: So special guest star.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: The ghost of Charles Lawton came to visit you. That's fantastic.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 8: It's like every few seconds we had animals in this movie.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: So I thought I had a special guest animal. So
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 8: I thought.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: It's an awesome experience even without the backstory. Like a raccoon.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: It's so cool.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: I mean, we are in the woods here. I mean,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: it is next to a road and Arby's and shit. Like,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 8: you wouldn't think raccoons would be wanting... Maybe he was
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 8: getting some curly fries.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: It could be. It's fantastic. I love that.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 8: Day of the animals is upon us, people.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: Prepare yourselves.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: Raccoons are taking over the world.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 7: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 7: edited by the Auditude Studios, with opening music performed by
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 7: the Empires. For more on how to sponsor or support
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 7: the show, email producer at moviemeltdown.com.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: Talk hard!