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UNSOLVED: BEAUTIFUL JULIE NISWENDER FOUND DEAD IN TUB · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: How does a beautiful young girl end up murdered dead
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Speaker 2: in her own bathtub, the apple of her family's eye,
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Speaker 2: and still no justice? As the days pass, as the
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Speaker 2: week's past, as the months pass, Julia's family wonders.
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Speaker 1: Why, and so do I. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven. First of all, listen
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Speaker 2: to this.
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Speaker 3: Both of Julia Niewinder's roommates have been gone for the weekend,
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Speaker 3: and when one of the roommates stops by Monday morning
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Speaker 3: to pick up some things for class that day, she
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Speaker 3: hears the alarm going off in Julia Nicewinder's bedroom and
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Speaker 3: heads out without seeing or talking to her. The next day,
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Speaker 3: the roommate realizes she hasn't seen or talked to Julia
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Speaker 3: in two days. Her bedroom door is locked, so she
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Speaker 3: calls security at the apartment complex to check on her roommate.
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Speaker 3: The guard shows up with police and using a master
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Speaker 3: key to open the door, they walk into Julia Nicewinder's room.
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Speaker 3: It appears as if a home invasion has taken place.
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Speaker 3: Calling out for Julia and getting no reply, the officer
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Speaker 3: walks toward the bathroom door. A pair of white latex
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Speaker 3: gloves are on the floor in front of the bathroom door.
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Speaker 3: They are twisted and intertwined with each other.
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Speaker 2: Just as if somebody had been taking them off and
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Speaker 2: threw them down.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Julia? And why still no justice?
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Speaker 2: Joining me in all star panel, But first to Julia's mother,
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Speaker 2: him Turnquist.
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Speaker 1: Miss Turnquist, thank you for being with us. Thank you,
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Speaker 1: miss Turnquist.
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Speaker 2: It has been horrible and seemingly never ending journey for
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Speaker 2: you getting justice for Julia.
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Speaker 1: I want you to think back to the moment.
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Speaker 2: You found out that your girl, just beautiful, young girl,
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Speaker 2: had been killed.
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Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 4: Well, I actually found out because she didn't show up
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Speaker 4: to her work Christmas party. And my one of my
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Speaker 4: best friends worked with her boss, and they had said
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Speaker 4: that Julia didn't show up for the Christmas party and
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Speaker 4: that friends had stopped over at her place and her
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Speaker 4: car was home, but Julia wasn't home. That one of
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Speaker 4: the roommates said, yeah, I haven't seen her all day,
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Speaker 4: she's not you know, So they so they went on
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Speaker 4: their way. Well, then when my friend called me and said, hey, Kim,
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Speaker 4: you know, I got a call that no one's seen
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Speaker 4: Julia and that she didn't show up for work, and
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Speaker 4: she typically does not just not show up for work.
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Speaker 4: And I and she said, where are you at? Well,
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Speaker 4: me and Jennifer, her twin, we were actually playing at
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Speaker 4: darts on a dart league and she I told her
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Speaker 4: where I was, and she came and picked us up,
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Speaker 4: and we kept trying to call Julia on her way
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Speaker 4: from Monroe to Ipsilanti, which is can be about a
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Speaker 4: forty five minute drive, and her cell phone was going
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Speaker 4: right to voicemail. So then we actually called one of
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Speaker 4: Jennifer's friends who's lived on campus, which was right across
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Speaker 4: the street from Julia's apartment, and we asked her to
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Speaker 4: go over there and check on her. So she In
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Speaker 4: the meantime, the roommate had the security guard and the
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Speaker 4: cops there, and then Rachel got there and she called
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Speaker 4: us and said, Kim, I'm given the EMP your phone
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Speaker 4: number because they want to talk to you. And I'm
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Speaker 4: like what.
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Speaker 5: So me and.
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Speaker 4: Jennifer were obviously freaking out, and so then they called
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Speaker 4: me and they asked me if Julia had any medical issues,
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Speaker 4: and I said, yes, she has a cardio neurosyncope, which
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Speaker 4: is something I have and Jennifer has, which causes your
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Speaker 4: blood pressure to drop it and you could just pass
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Speaker 4: right out, but then you can come to it after
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Speaker 4: a few minutes. And he said okay, and I said,
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Speaker 4: why what's going on? And he goes, he goes, I'll
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Speaker 4: call you back. Well, they never called us back. We
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Speaker 4: got up there, and when we got up there, we
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Speaker 4: seen the EMP but no lights were on, so there
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Speaker 4: was just a brief moment that we were like, Okay,
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Speaker 4: the lights aren't on, so nothing's really wrong. But then
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Speaker 4: there was a security guard standing there and me and
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Speaker 4: Jennifer just ran right into Julia's apartment and we didn't
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Speaker 4: see anybody. And her apartment was at the back of
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Speaker 4: the apartment in the corner, and so when we ran down,
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Speaker 4: when we ran down the hallway, I went to open
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Speaker 4: the door, and when we went to stuff in, we
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Speaker 4: could see that there was stuff on the floor. But
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Speaker 4: then a cop came out of the bathroom area and
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Speaker 4: pushed us into the kitchen area, and we said, you know,
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Speaker 4: what's going on with Julia? You know, we want to
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Speaker 4: see her that, you know, And of course Jennifer ring
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Speaker 4: or twin was really freaking out and he said to
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Speaker 4: us and he said, you can't see her. She's deceased.
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Speaker 4: And Jennifer just ran out of the apartment. I like,
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Speaker 4: sell to the floor. I was like punching things. I
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Speaker 4: was upset. I was freaking out. I'm like, you're you're you're,
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Speaker 4: you're lying and you know, and he's like no, he goes,
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Speaker 4: she's deceased, and and I just I lost it. And
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Speaker 4: then at that moment, because on our way up there,
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Speaker 4: we had called Jim, which at the time was my husband,
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Speaker 4: and him and Madison were on their way up there
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Speaker 4: because you know, we didn't know what was going on
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Speaker 4: with Julia and no one had heard from her two days,
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Speaker 4: so we uh so everyone was kind of on their
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Speaker 4: way up there, and uh when my husband at the
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Speaker 4: time came into the apartment, uh, he said, what's going
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Speaker 4: on And the officer goes, well, your daughter is deceased,
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Speaker 4: and we all just lost it, you know, and and uh,
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Speaker 4: you know, we had to go out and tell Madison,
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Speaker 4: who was ten years old at the time, that her
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Speaker 4: sister was, you know, it was dead, and it was
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Speaker 4: just it was it was the worst. It was the
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Speaker 4: worst moment.
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Speaker 6: And I.
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Speaker 4: It to talk about it even it just it brings
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Speaker 4: everything right back to that exact moment that like I
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Speaker 4: in my mind, I I relived that moment all the time,
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Speaker 4: and you know, and I then I get mad and
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Speaker 4: angry and and uh, you know, and I just start crying.
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Speaker 4: And you know, she was Julia was definitely special and
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Speaker 4: her family meant everything to her. And it was right
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Speaker 4: before Christmas. Christmas was her favorite holiday. She was so
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Speaker 4: excited that, you know, she was finally at an age
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Speaker 4: and had a job that she could buy her family
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Speaker 4: Christmas presents, you know, and and she she just was
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Speaker 4: so excited for Christmas. That year, me and me and
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Speaker 4: Jim had gone out got a real Christmas tree. It
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Speaker 4: was our first real Christmas tree. And Julia was more
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Speaker 4: excited than anybody about the real Christmas tree and decorating it.
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Speaker 4: And we always decorated our Christmas tree, you know, when
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Speaker 4: all of us could be there and have hot chocolate,
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Speaker 4: and you know, we had already we had already done
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Speaker 4: that when she was home the weekend before, so we
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Speaker 4: got to you know, have that last memory with her.
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Speaker 4: But it's definitely, uh, it's I yeah, I to talk
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Speaker 4: about it sometimes just you know is real upsetting, But
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Speaker 4: I also want to talk about it because I want
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Speaker 4: to keep her story alive. I don't want anyone to
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Speaker 4: forget her. I want everyone to know that this case
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Speaker 4: is still unsolved and it's been eleven years too long,
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Speaker 4: that we need some answers more for Julia than us,
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Speaker 4: But I really want justice for Julia. She deserves it.
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Speaker 2: Guys, you are hearing Julia's mom, Kim Turnquist, and I
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Speaker 2: want you to know that Kim is battling leukemia on
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Speaker 2: top of everything else, and she is with us today
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Speaker 2: to ask for your help in solving her Girls Martyr.
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Speaker 2: Also with us is Madison Turnquist. This is Julia's little sister, Madison.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 7: Dear, thank you for having us today.
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Speaker 2: Madison, hear your mom, Kim, Stay how awful it is
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Speaker 2: to retell the story. I feel the same way when
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Speaker 2: people just out of the blue asked me about my
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Speaker 2: fiancee murder. I hate that, but yet I will tell
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Speaker 2: it if I feel like I need to tell it,
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Speaker 2: or if I have to tell it in some way
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Speaker 2: to help someone. Can you tell me, Madison, about the
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Speaker 2: moment you learned your big sister had been killed.
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Speaker 7: Can I can replay it exactly how it happened eleven
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Speaker 7: years ago, So say, as you guys already heard the
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Speaker 7: first you know, beginning from my mom. But to go
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Speaker 7: a little back to when she had said that, Jennifer
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Speaker 7: ran out of the room, Jennifer actually ran to me
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Speaker 7: in my dad's truck. So at that time, I was
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Speaker 7: sitting in the truck with my mom's two best friends
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Speaker 7: when Jennifer had run out to me and she had
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Speaker 7: run out, she was balling. She hugged me that I
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Speaker 7: love you.
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Speaker 8: And I had no idea what was going on still
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Speaker 8: at that moment, and she did that, and then she
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Speaker 8: had walked away. I don't know if she went to
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Speaker 8: go find my mom or I don't I just I
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Speaker 8: don't know what had happened in that moment, but she
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Speaker 8: walked away, and then I've seen my mom and my
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Speaker 8: dad walking back. So my mom's two friends got out
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Speaker 8: of the truck and my mom and my dad got
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Speaker 8: in the truck and it was just I believe it
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Speaker 8: was like a Toyota style truck at the time. So
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Speaker 8: my dad just had like that one seat bench with
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Speaker 8: the driver passenger it and the little seat in the
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Speaker 8: middle and I was in the little seat in the
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Speaker 8: middle and right in front of me dashboard. Mom's on
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Speaker 8: the right of me, my dad's on the left.
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Speaker 9: And it was quiet for like the first five minutes
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Speaker 9: in the truck and now, so back then I didn't know,
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Speaker 9: but now I know that was them trying to figure
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Speaker 9: out how they were going to tell me because I
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Speaker 9: was ten years old and they had to figure out
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Speaker 9: how they're going to tell me in a way that
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Speaker 9: I'm going to understand what they're telling me. When I
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Speaker 9: was two years old, my uncle had committed suicide and
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Speaker 9: that growing up, that affected me a lot, just because
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Speaker 9: you know, I want I would. I wanted to know
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Speaker 9: who my uncle was and never had the chance to.
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Speaker 9: So when my parents told me, my mom grabbed my
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Speaker 9: hand and my dad looked at me and said, your
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Speaker 9: sister is safe.
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Speaker 8: With your uncle, Jeff. I didn't cry, I didn't scream.
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Speaker 8: All I could do was punch my dad's radio. And
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Speaker 8: that's that's the only reaction that I had because at
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Speaker 8: ten years old, I know what they're saying to me.
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Speaker 8: I know what they meant when they said that.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Now as you are hearing Madison Turnquist, Julia's little sister,
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Speaker 2: and Kim Turnquist, her mother, describing the moment they find
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Speaker 2: out their girl, their big sister, has been killed, her
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Speaker 2: body dumped in her apartment bathtub. Now, this apartment was
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Speaker 2: an off campus apartment there at Eastern Michigan University. This girl,
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Speaker 2: Julia scrubbed in sunshine, beautiful, sweet, not some wild party girl,
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Speaker 2: never had an arrest, never run away from home, so
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Speaker 2: excited about having her very first Christmas tree and her
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Speaker 2: very own off campus apartment. Now, how in the hey
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Speaker 2: does this case go unsolved? In addition to Kim and
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Speaker 2: Madison joining US an all star panel, first two, Ronnie
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Speaker 2: Dahl joining US investigative journalists and private investigator, owner of
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Speaker 2: Doll Investigations.
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Speaker 1: Ronnie, what do you make of it when.
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Speaker 10: You're a reporter and you get called to these stories?
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Speaker 10: There are so many questions that you're trying to get covered. Obviously,
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Speaker 10: it's who, what, when? Where? Eastern Michigan University is about
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Speaker 10: twenty thousand students, A lot of them are commuter students,
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Speaker 10: and as you know, this happened off campus, so there
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Speaker 10: weren't a lot of people on campus at the time.
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Speaker 10: It was around exam time.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Ronnie Dahl, you're reminding me so much
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Speaker 2: of the Idaho for Slaves and Moscow, Idaho. Were four
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Speaker 2: students and an off campus home they rented it. When
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Speaker 2: I say off campus, I mean right across the street.
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Speaker 1: I've been there. You look right at Fraternity Row.
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Speaker 2: When I say off campus, it's literally in the shadow
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Speaker 2: of campus. So it's very very close to campus. And
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Speaker 2: you said twenty thousand students.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Ronnie, and.
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Speaker 10: You know the city. Since this was off campus, it
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Speaker 10: falls to the jurisdiction of the Ipsilanti Police department. So
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Speaker 10: it's a smaller police department. I don't even think at
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Speaker 10: that time they maybe had fifty employees. Half of that's
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Speaker 10: the police officers. So when the city itself, the population
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Speaker 10: is about the same as that of the university, right,
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Speaker 10: so you have to go to the jurisdiction. So Ipsilanti
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Speaker 10: Police they're handling the investigation, and pretty much from the
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Speaker 10: beginning they were pretty tight lipped on what was happening
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Speaker 10: in this case. Sin they have remained that way all
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Speaker 10: these years later.
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Speaker 2: Guys, what do we know about the attack? Take a
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Speaker 11: Nice Winder's room looks like it has been tossed closer
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Speaker 11: all over the floor of the room. Drawers are left open.
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Speaker 11: The contents from a plastic organizer drawer have been dumped
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Speaker 11: on the floor. The contents of Nice Winter's purse also
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Speaker 11: dumped out on her bed, and some items are missing too.
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Speaker 11: A black and white zebra striped pillowcase is missing off
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Speaker 11: the pillow. Her keys to the apartment are missing from
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Speaker 11: a lanyard, and police note that it looks like a
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Speaker 11: home invasion took place, but wrapped Christmas presents and iPod,
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Speaker 11: computer and TV are not taken from the room.
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Speaker 1: So why to Jason Jensen joining us?
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Speaker 2: Jason is private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations and
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Speaker 2: co founder of the Cold Case Coalition. You can find
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Speaker 2: Jason at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Jason, thank you for being with us. I want to
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Speaker 1: absorb what we're just hearing.
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Speaker 2: And guys, we're back at ground zero, square one, trying
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Speaker 2: to solve the murder of this beautiful young co ed
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Speaker 2: murdered in her off campus apartment. Did you hear that,
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Speaker 2: Jason and lonlike everything had been dumped on the floor
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Speaker 2: but what's really missing the keys to the apartment, and
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Speaker 2: police note that there were unwrapped gifts and iPod, computer
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Speaker 2: and TV still there.
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Speaker 12: Right, It definitely does not sound like it was a
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Speaker 12: home invasion for a robbery. It sounds like there was
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Speaker 12: a targeting of Julia herself, which indicates strongly because like
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Speaker 12: the pillowcases missing and her keys are gone.
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Speaker 2: And to me to just got mortgage joining US Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on
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Speaker 2: Amazon and host of Bodyback with jsm also death investigator.
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Speaker 2: He has investigated over one thousand death scenes.
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Speaker 1: Scott, is it staged?
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Speaker 2: Did someone come to kill Julia and they then make
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Speaker 2: the place look ransacked?
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Speaker 13: That's certainly a possibility because you know, if you look
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Speaker 13: at the inventory of the items that had had been
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Speaker 13: left behind, there's nothing of significance missing here. Things are there.
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Speaker 13: But yet you get this idea that someone went through
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Speaker 13: and rifled the area. And we see this lots of
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Speaker 13: times with staging cases, so that leads you to this idea.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Scott, you've turned on the TV, haven't you.
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Speaker 2: Every time there is a homicide depicted, that's always staged,
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Speaker 2: They tear the room.
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Speaker 1: Up, They act like someone came in to steal something.
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Speaker 1: When that's staging. Staging the scene.
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Speaker 2: Del Carson high profile all you're out of Jacksonville, joining
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Speaker 2: us and more importantly for my purposes, former FBI and
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Speaker 2: former beatcop in Miami Dade.
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Speaker 1: You can find them at.
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Speaker 2: Dell Carsonlaw dot Comdale Staging is normally done by someone
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Speaker 2: that knows the victim, who is trying to make it
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Speaker 2: look as if it was a random attack.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, but there are a couple of things going on here,
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Speaker 6: and Joe will back me up on this. You know,
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Speaker 6: this could be somebody gathering a crophy, or from my perspective,
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Speaker 6: this is somebody removing items that connect that individual to
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Speaker 6: that lady.
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Speaker 2: It's the missing pillow case to be used as a sack.
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Speaker 6: You throw stuff in there in order to get it out,
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Speaker 6: and that things are missing that no one would expect
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Speaker 6: to be there. And there's more. When people die in bathtubs,
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Speaker 6: the mistake of uninitiated law enforcement is to drain the
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Speaker 6: tub in order to get the victim out. And what
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Speaker 6: Joe and I can both tell you is that once
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Speaker 6: you've done that, you've lost a considerable amount of evidence
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Speaker 6: down the drain. And I've seen this happen on at
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Speaker 6: least two occasions in my FBI and my police career
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Speaker 6: in Miami, and so you'll lose that evidence. So that
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Speaker 6: takes somebody with some sophistications who recognizes that when you
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Speaker 6: put somebody in the water, you're taking away important evidence. Now,
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Speaker 6: maybe they didn't get at all, but it's an effort
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Speaker 6: and it shows some sophistication that's sort of unusual.
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Speaker 2: We believe that this occurred in the early early morning hours.
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Speaker 2: Kim Turquis is Julia's mom. Were there any items of
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Speaker 2: note missing other than the pillow case, her.
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Speaker 4: Keys, which, like we said, on the lanyard, which have
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Speaker 4: a key to her bedroom, and then we have the
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Speaker 4: pillow case, and then we have they said that there
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Speaker 4: was a purple rug missing from the bathroom because the
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Speaker 4: bathroom that was zebra and a bright purple, and so
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Speaker 4: they said that the rug was missing. I don't know,
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Speaker 4: to be honest, I know that when we went to
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Speaker 4: when we were we're allowed to clean up her go
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Speaker 4: clean up her apartment, I'll be honest, we didn't pay
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Speaker 4: much attention to what was still there and what wasn't
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Speaker 4: because we were all obviously very upset and crying and
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Speaker 4: it was a really emotional time. But you know, we
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Speaker 4: do know that one of the plastic drawers is missing too,
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Speaker 4: but we don't know what it was in it.
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Speaker 2: Did she have any valuable jewelry that you know of
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Speaker 2: that was missing.
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Speaker 4: No, her check book was still there, her credit cards, everything,
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Speaker 4: we're still.
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Speaker 13: In her room, Nancy. I think that one of the
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Speaker 13: questions I would ask is were there any items of
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Speaker 13: clothing missing as well from the scene that were tied
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Speaker 13: back to her, because that's that might be inevident. So
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Speaker 13: the trophy taker names.
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Speaker 1: Kim tarquas anything.
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Speaker 4: We're not sure what was in that drawer that is missing,
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Speaker 4: So we're not.
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Speaker 1: Sure, Okay, what kind of drawer?
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Speaker 6: Was it?
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Speaker 4: A ster a light drawer, one of those bigger three
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Speaker 4: compartments STERI light drawers.
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Speaker 1: Oh, like the packable plastic ones. Yeah, Nancy, Yeah, jump in.
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Speaker 6: If the drawer is missing, that's an important clue, because
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Speaker 6: that too, is unusual and it may reflect that the
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Speaker 6: hand the gloves were taken off, grabbed that put fingerprints
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Speaker 6: and DNA on it, and then took it with them
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Speaker 6: when they realized that they didn't have the gloves on
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Speaker 6: when they were actually doing tossing the apartment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk about something just for a moment.
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Speaker 2: Who wears gloves to a crime of opportunity? Like you're
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Speaker 2: watching Julia and you say I'm going to sex attack her,
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Speaker 2: you break into her place, and you happen to have
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Speaker 2: gloves with you.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, who wears a mask?
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Speaker 14: Yes?
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Speaker 6: And the reason you wear a mask is see it
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Speaker 6: can be identified.
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Speaker 2: What I'm saying is this wasn't planned out, Joe Scott. No,
22:07
Speaker 2: I mean it was planned out to bring gloves.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you don't show up randomly with latex gloves. And
22:13
Speaker 13: to Dale's point, I find it fascinating with this case
22:18
Speaker 13: that you talk about preparedness when you show up, you
22:21
Speaker 13: show up with the gloves, and not just that, but
22:23
Speaker 13: also there's a level of sophistication when you think about
22:27
Speaker 13: the bathtub in and of itself, Well, what do you
22:30
Speaker 13: do in the bathtub? Normally in life you get in
22:32
Speaker 13: the bathtub to get clean. So could this person have
22:35
Speaker 13: been sophisticated enough in order to facilitate that, or at
22:39
Speaker 13: least think about facilitating that cleaning her so that none
22:43
Speaker 13: of his DNA is left behind too.
22:46
Speaker 1: Karen L.
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Speaker 2: Stark, joining US high profile psychologist for renow on TV
22:50
Speaker 2: and radio trauma expert. You can find her at Karenstark
22:54
Speaker 2: dot com. That's Karen with the Sea. Karen, what do
22:57
Speaker 2: you make of the scene. It was totally ransacked, but
23:01
Speaker 2: yet nothing of value was taken.
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Speaker 5: There is no doubt in my mind, Nancy, that what
23:08
Speaker 5: Joe and Dale are saying is absolutely correct. I believe
23:13
Speaker 5: that this is someone who knew he had time, who
23:16
Speaker 5: planned how he was going to do this, who made
23:19
Speaker 5: it look like absolutely this was just, you know, a
23:24
Speaker 5: robbery or a spontaneous break in. And I think it's
23:30
Speaker 5: really interesting that those draws are missing that I wonder
23:35
Speaker 5: what kind of trophies he was able to take, because
23:38
Speaker 5: that reminds me of something that would happen in a
23:42
Speaker 5: scene like this, where the person who killed her would
23:45
Speaker 5: want to have things that belonged to her to remember
23:49
Speaker 5: and relive the scene, which you can be sure happened
23:53
Speaker 5: over and over again.
23:54
Speaker 2: To Ronnie Dahl, joining US investigative journalist and PI Ronnie
23:59
Speaker 2: Dall Investigation dot Com.
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Speaker 1: I understand that.
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Speaker 2: The cause of death was asphyxiation and drowning. Detectas noted
24:09
Speaker 2: originally that she was partially nude in the bathtub in
24:15
Speaker 2: a very unnatural position.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean, Ronnie Dall.
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Speaker 10: You know, I can tell you in the beginning of
24:22
Speaker 10: this case, they did not release that information. It was
24:28
Speaker 10: it was months and months later before that information came out.
24:31
Speaker 10: At first, they were saying it didn't appear to be
24:35
Speaker 10: any trauma to the body, so part of that could
24:38
Speaker 10: have been part of these investigations. They don't want to
24:42
Speaker 10: release information in the beginning while they're still trying to
24:44
Speaker 10: collect the evidence. But you have to remember this is
24:47
Speaker 10: a small town. Half of the town's population is college students,
24:52
Speaker 10: so as the investigation goes on, I don't think we
24:56
Speaker 10: even found a lot of these details out until two fifteen,
25:01
Speaker 10: and that was when some of this information came out
25:03
Speaker 10: in an affric David for when they were trying to
25:07
Speaker 10: arrest the father, Jim Turnquest. So it was a long
25:11
Speaker 10: time before we found out some of this information.
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Speaker 2: Joining me is Kim Turnquist, Julia's mom and her sister,
25:18
Speaker 2: Madison Turnquist. I'm curious, miss Turnquist, when they say she
25:25
Speaker 2: your daughter, Julia was in an unnatural position, what do
25:28
Speaker 2: they mean by that well.
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Speaker 4: From what I was told, she was partially nude and
25:35
Speaker 4: her legs were like slipped up. It was like almost
25:41
Speaker 4: like your swimming on your stomach and your legs you kind.
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Speaker 15: Of laying in a bound position.
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Speaker 1: Laying in a bound position. Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 9: Yep, hands behind your back, legs bent up.
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Speaker 1: Got it? Got it?
25:56
Speaker 2: Yes, an unusual position. Everybody jump in if you have
25:59
Speaker 2: a thought on this. But to you, just Scott Morgan,
26:04
Speaker 2: I find it very, very difficult to believe that DNA
26:07
Speaker 2: cannot be obtained from inside the insides of plastic gloves
26:13
Speaker 2: or when those bindings were put on her hands, her wrists.
26:19
Speaker 2: When you tie something, you have to touch it, especially
26:22
Speaker 2: inside the knots. Where's all that evidence? Has it been
26:27
Speaker 2: compared for DNA in the system.
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Speaker 4: What we were told was that two DNAs were collected
26:34
Speaker 4: from her, one from the glove, well, one from the
26:38
Speaker 4: glove that she had blood in that They think that
26:41
Speaker 4: if that maybe whoever it was, went to try to
26:45
Speaker 4: shut Julia up or something and she bit down on
26:48
Speaker 4: her bit down and drew blood from her lips. And
26:53
Speaker 4: then they said that they found two male DNA on
26:55
Speaker 4: her inner side. One was inconclusive and the other one
26:59
Speaker 4: has a supposedly matched anybody in codis That's what we
27:03
Speaker 4: were told.
27:17
Speaker 2: Time stories with Nancy Grace, Joscott Morgan, Ronnie Dall.
27:23
Speaker 1: Somebody jump in, explain to me about the DNA. Has
27:27
Speaker 1: the DNA all of.
27:29
Speaker 2: It be subjected to the most recent technology DNA comparisons
27:35
Speaker 2: such as genetic family tree DNA or touch DNA.
27:42
Speaker 1: What do we know.
27:43
Speaker 2: About the DNA tests done on the DNA found at
27:47
Speaker 2: the scene, Ronnie Dall, what do you know?
27:49
Speaker 10: So that's part of the problem with this case is
27:52
Speaker 10: even you know, ten eleven years later, you try to
27:55
Speaker 10: put in for your Freedom of Information Act requests to
27:58
Speaker 10: try to get some of this information and they're not
28:00
Speaker 10: releasing it. But so really all we have to go
28:05
Speaker 10: on is what has been told to the family and
28:07
Speaker 10: what's coming from a retired detective and what was in
28:10
Speaker 10: that affidavit for the search warrant And so the DNA
28:14
Speaker 10: from my understanding was to ask him mentioned you had
28:18
Speaker 10: the two from two unknown male subjects that they have
28:22
Speaker 10: not been able to place. Yes, yet, I don't know
28:25
Speaker 10: how much DNA they do have. I know that all
28:28
Speaker 10: the evidence is being processed by the Michigan State Police
28:32
Speaker 10: Crime Lab. But you know they do hold on to
28:36
Speaker 10: that evidence with the new technology.
28:38
Speaker 2: An you said, Ronnie Dall is being processed or it
28:42
Speaker 2: was processed well, or it was processed.
28:45
Speaker 10: The status of where this investigation is today, you don't
28:49
Speaker 10: get any updates out of the police department.
28:52
Speaker 1: Thank you question today.
28:54
Speaker 13: One of my questions, Nancy, when you know we're talking
28:57
Speaker 13: about has been examined. I hope that they still have
29:02
Speaker 13: retained a significant amount of DNA that can be tested.
29:05
Speaker 13: You'd mentioned genetic DNA testing just a moment ago. Remember
29:09
Speaker 13: compared to twenty twelve, this is relatively new technology light
29:14
Speaker 13: years Yeah, it is. And you know, look, if this
29:18
Speaker 13: individual is not in CODIS, which there's two categories in CODUS,
29:21
Speaker 13: you have nones and then you have what's referred to
29:23
Speaker 13: as the forensic database, that's unknowns that are out there.
29:27
Speaker 13: So after that, the next leap is either phenotyping if
29:32
Speaker 13: they're willing to do that, where you can come up
29:34
Speaker 13: with a physical description of the individual, and or you
29:39
Speaker 13: then plug it into a genetic database to try to see,
29:42
Speaker 13: you know, the familial tree.
29:44
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not even sure Jo Scott if they
29:46
Speaker 2: were using mitochondrial DNA matches in twenty twelve. So if
29:50
Speaker 2: you could even get part of the DNA, you can
29:54
Speaker 2: make it matched on the mother's side. Yes, you can,
29:57
Speaker 2: don't necessarily need. You can use like a hair, you
30:00
Speaker 2: don't need the hair in nucleus. There's been so many
30:04
Speaker 2: advances since twenty twelve, it's like light ears ahead. What
30:08
Speaker 2: more do we know about how Julia was found dead?
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Speaker 1: Listen to Rachel Benia Crime Online.
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Speaker 16: Opening the bathroom door, officers discovered Julia's lifeless, nude body,
30:19
Speaker 16: face down, submerged in the bathtub filled with water. Her
30:22
Speaker 16: hands are pulled behind her back, her feet are together,
30:25
Speaker 16: and her cell phone is found underneath her body. Nice winterers.
30:28
Speaker 16: Clothes have been cut off except for a sleeve and
30:31
Speaker 16: are left on the bathroom floor. Police don't find the
30:34
Speaker 16: instrument used to cut the clothes from her body.
30:36
Speaker 2: Okay, I want to circle back to what we're hearing
30:40
Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan. How would her body being submerged in
30:43
Speaker 2: the bathtub water affect the recovery of DNA.
30:47
Speaker 13: Well, there's a flushing that goes on, isn't there, Nancy?
30:50
Speaker 13: When if there is? Okay, let's just say that you
30:53
Speaker 13: have topical DNA, you have a deposition of say forgive me,
30:58
Speaker 13: but semen on the body or if even there's blood,
31:02
Speaker 13: it can be compromised externally, you know, depended upon how
31:06
Speaker 13: long she was in the water, if there was any
31:08
Speaker 13: attempt to clean her in the water. Now, when we
31:11
Speaker 13: get to this idea of perhaps a rape kit, that's internal,
31:15
Speaker 13: so hopefully something could be found within there, But it
31:19
Speaker 13: sounds like they're not having success in that.
31:22
Speaker 2: Well, they have to get DNA from somewhere. They got
31:24
Speaker 2: it from the gloves and her inner thigh.
31:27
Speaker 13: Coming out of the glove and on the inner thigh.
31:29
Speaker 13: Isn't that fascinating considering that she was submerged in water. Nancy,
31:34
Speaker 13: one more thing about this that is really striking out
31:37
Speaker 13: of all the cases that I've covered and worked in
31:40
Speaker 13: my career, do you realize how rare homicidal drowning is
31:44
Speaker 13: very rare. It's not something that occurs on a regular basis.
31:48
Speaker 13: And this is a this goes to a degree of
31:51
Speaker 13: violence that you don't normally see because you know, what
31:54
Speaker 13: they're talking about is that her tongue is actually lacerated.
31:58
Speaker 13: That gives you an idea that she was forced or
32:01
Speaker 13: held beneath the water. She bit her own tongue, is
32:04
Speaker 13: what they're opining, but and nobody does that. Normally, you
32:08
Speaker 13: can bite your tongue as you're eating something. But I
32:11
Speaker 13: think that she was held underwater and she bit her
32:14
Speaker 13: tongue as a result of this force, and it last
32:16
Speaker 13: rated her tongue. You've got a lot going on here,
32:19
Speaker 13: and somebody has really really thought this through.
32:21
Speaker 2: To Ronnie Dahl joining US private investigator and investigative reporter, Ronnie,
32:27
Speaker 2: what can you tell me about potential video of the perp.
32:31
Speaker 10: Well, that's one of the first things you do, especially
32:33
Speaker 10: if you're in a small community near a college campus,
32:37
Speaker 10: as you're looking for a video. But again twenty twelve,
32:39
Speaker 10: we don't have the security cameras and the number of
32:42
Speaker 10: security cameras that are around today. There was a video
32:46
Speaker 10: from the apartment complex and from my understanding, the around
32:52
Speaker 10: five point thirty in the morning I believe on December ninth.
32:55
Speaker 10: The video did show an individual that was standing out
32:59
Speaker 10: in the parking line near the trash dumpster, which was
33:02
Speaker 10: close to Julia's apartment. The individual was seeing kind of
33:07
Speaker 10: frustrated walking back and forth, pacing back and forth, back
33:10
Speaker 10: and forth, but when police went back to get the video,
33:16
Speaker 10: they didn't pull it right away and unpertly the video
33:20
Speaker 10: was recorded over.
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Speaker 1: How many times is that going to happen?
33:25
Speaker 2: It first came to light in the Chandra Levy case,
33:28
Speaker 2: where the video in her high rise in DC recorded over,
33:32
Speaker 2: So we didn't know when she left, what was she wearing,
33:35
Speaker 2: was she going jogging, was she dressed up? Was she
33:37
Speaker 2: with anybody? But yet it's still happening. They recorded over
33:41
Speaker 2: the video. It's been reported there was an individual a
33:45
Speaker 2: mail pacing back and forth and back and forth near
33:48
Speaker 2: the trash cans at the apartment. And isn't it true
33:50
Speaker 2: Kim Turnquist that apparently Julian went out to empty the trash.
33:56
Speaker 4: Well, that's what that's what there. That's what we were
33:59
Speaker 4: told is that that Julia woke up that day, obviously
34:03
Speaker 4: got ready for school, and made herself some breakfast, because
34:08
Speaker 4: they did find eggs in her stomach, and then it
34:11
Speaker 4: appeared that she had taken her garbage out, So they
34:15
Speaker 4: their theory to us was that they think she took
34:17
Speaker 4: her garbage out and then she was followed in her apartment,
34:22
Speaker 4: so that's how the person got got in. There's no
34:26
Speaker 4: forced entry, but they think that they followed her in
34:30
Speaker 4: when she went back into her apartment. I do want
34:34
Speaker 4: to say too, that we did learn that they now
34:37
Speaker 4: which didn't release to us before, that they think that
34:41
Speaker 4: the theory is is that Julia was tortured all day long.
34:45
Speaker 4: That this wasn't just a few hours that they followed
34:48
Speaker 4: her in in the morning and that person didn't leave
34:51
Speaker 4: until nighttime, so she had been in her room and
34:56
Speaker 4: pretty much had been tortured all day.
34:58
Speaker 1: Well, where was the roommate in the room? May have
35:00
Speaker 1: been in and out during that time.
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Speaker 4: From what we were told, the one roommate was, but
35:06
Speaker 4: she didn't hear anything, and the other one wasn't still there.
35:10
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me that she was held
35:12
Speaker 2: and tortured all day long and the roommate was there
35:17
Speaker 2: and didn't hear or see anything. But yeah, I mean,
35:21
Speaker 2: nothing is out of consideration right now because it's been
35:25
Speaker 2: this long and still no answers. Another thing we must
35:30
Speaker 2: address this.
35:32
Speaker 1: Listen to Dave Mack.
35:33
Speaker 14: The night julian Ice Winder's body has found. Officer's note
35:36
Speaker 14: how her mother is pacing back and forth at the
35:38
Speaker 14: police station while her stepfather seems stoic as he sits
35:41
Speaker 14: in the lobby, the first of several red flags that
35:43
Speaker 14: lead investigators to take a closer look at Jim Turnquist.
35:47
Speaker 14: Looking at Turnquist, the police asked for his laptop. He complies.
35:50
Speaker 14: They ask for a polygraph. He complies twice and passes twice.
35:55
Speaker 14: Investigators consult with the FBI and her encourage to take
35:58
Speaker 14: a good look at Jim Turnquist. Ternquist is named a
36:01
Speaker 14: person of interest and he's charged not in the death
36:04
Speaker 14: of Julian nice Winder, but child pornography. There are three
36:07
Speaker 14: hundred thousand pictures on his laptop, seven of which lead
36:10
Speaker 14: to charges of child porn. At trial, experts testify the
36:14
Speaker 14: seven photos are in timp folders and could have been
36:17
Speaker 14: pop up ads. You can't even tell the age of
36:19
Speaker 14: the people in the pictures. Turnquist is acquitted of the
36:22
Speaker 14: child porn charges, but nothing has moved forward on the
36:25
Speaker 14: murder of Julia Nicewinder.
36:26
Speaker 2: To Julia's mom, Kim Turnquist, what do you make of
36:32
Speaker 2: them them charging your then husband? Isn't it true you
36:37
Speaker 2: gave him a rock solid alibi for the time during
36:41
Speaker 2: which Julie was killed.
36:43
Speaker 4: Yes, so here's that whole thing? Is so absurd. So
36:49
Speaker 4: we live in Monroe, which I said earlier is about
36:52
Speaker 4: forty five minute drives. And let me tell you, yes,
36:56
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a person who gets up in the middle
36:58
Speaker 4: of the night all the time. Jim was home with me,
37:02
Speaker 4: sleeping in the bed with me, got up that same
37:05
Speaker 4: morning to go to work like he usually does. I
37:08
Speaker 4: did the same thing. He was home all night long
37:12
Speaker 4: and all this The story with Jim is just absurd.
37:17
Speaker 4: I you know, I never I just I couldn't believe
37:22
Speaker 4: what they were trying to do to him. And I'll
37:24
Speaker 4: be honest, the firstly detective on the case, he is
37:27
Speaker 4: the one who has spoken up recently. The other one
37:32
Speaker 4: is the one who tried to do all this stuff,
37:34
Speaker 4: who had I hate to say it this way, but
37:37
Speaker 4: I think she had heard Jim. She just wanted to
37:40
Speaker 4: solve the case, to put another salt case in her pocket.
37:44
Speaker 4: This child pornography was absolutely ludicrous to even charge him
37:51
Speaker 4: with that. I still get very upset with that because
37:56
Speaker 4: you know, it has affected all of our lie in
38:00
Speaker 4: different ways, and mainly Gems, because people accused him of
38:05
Speaker 4: these things, and I think that it's just it's ridiculous.
38:10
Speaker 4: They wanted to find someone to pin this murder on.
38:14
Speaker 4: And that's what they did.
38:15
Speaker 2: Didn't a friend of Julius state that mister Tarnquist had
38:20
Speaker 2: made advances.
38:21
Speaker 4: On her, you know what. So that's what they said.
38:24
Speaker 4: But then when you talked to her, she said that
38:28
Speaker 4: she had never said that, that she would testify to
38:31
Speaker 4: that if had to. That that was never said. And unfortunately,
38:35
Speaker 4: during that time, my family was torn apart because the
38:41
Speaker 4: police were telling my family certain things and making my
38:45
Speaker 4: family believe that, you know, all these things were going
38:48
Speaker 4: on and they weren't.
38:49
Speaker 1: Guys.
38:50
Speaker 2: I want to address what we do know. We know
38:52
Speaker 2: that the father, mister Tronquist, wi suspected he was a
38:58
Speaker 2: person of interest. He passed two polygraphs and was found
39:02
Speaker 2: not guilty by a jury on other charges of child
39:06
Speaker 2: porn seven photos out of hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
39:10
Speaker 2: of photos.
39:11
Speaker 1: What does that mean.
39:12
Speaker 2: I've never had child porn pop up on my computer,
39:16
Speaker 2: but a jury found him not guilty.
39:19
Speaker 1: Now what do we know?
39:21
Speaker 2: We know his wife and his daughters gave him an
39:26
Speaker 2: alibi and that they lived a good distance away from
39:30
Speaker 2: the crime scene. That said, who killed Julia? I guarantee
39:38
Speaker 2: you this. I guarantee you that male DNA and those
39:42
Speaker 2: gloves have been run against the stepdad.
39:46
Speaker 1: You agree with that, Joe.
39:47
Speaker 13: Scott, Yes, I agreed.
39:49
Speaker 1: So I mean, I don't care what he did before.
39:52
Speaker 2: I don't care if he was guilty or innocent on
39:56
Speaker 2: anything before. All I care about is who ca Julia,
40:01
Speaker 2: Kim Madison? Anybody on this panel? Do you know if
40:04
Speaker 2: they ran the DNA panel from the crime saint against
40:07
Speaker 2: the step dad?
40:08
Speaker 1: Yes or no?
40:09
Speaker 12: Yes?
40:09
Speaker 1: Okay? Who's speaking? Is this Madison or Kim Kim? Okay?
40:12
Speaker 1: If they got a match on that, he would be charged.
40:16
Speaker 4: It has totally changed changed our lives. Everyone who you know,
40:22
Speaker 4: every family member that has been touched by this. You know,
40:26
Speaker 4: our life is not the same without Julia. Family was
40:32
Speaker 4: really important to her, and you know, and then as
40:36
Speaker 4: you heard all the other accusations from twenty fifteen, you
40:41
Speaker 4: want to talk about, you know, losing a daughter to
40:45
Speaker 4: a murder and no one being arrested, and then you have,
40:49
Speaker 4: you know, people trying to accuse at the time your
40:53
Speaker 4: husband of something that.
40:55
Speaker 9: He would never ever do, and you have.
40:58
Speaker 4: To deal with all the public when you know, saying
41:02
Speaker 4: things about you, whispering behind your back. We got we
41:05
Speaker 4: got death threats. You know, you know your youngest child,
41:10
Speaker 4: Remember she was ten in twenty twelve, so she was
41:13
Speaker 4: thirteen in twenty fifteen going to school and dealing with
41:18
Speaker 4: kids saying things like it had totally changed our whole
41:23
Speaker 4: lives in so many different ways, and you know that
41:27
Speaker 4: things will never be the same. I still to this
41:31
Speaker 4: day will get messages and accusing people of things and
41:36
Speaker 4: they just people can be cruel and you're trying to
41:40
Speaker 4: deal with the death of your daughter, and you know,
41:43
Speaker 4: deal with that. And now the fact that it's eleven
41:45
Speaker 4: years and it hasn't been solved, and you know, for
41:49
Speaker 4: a while there under old management at the IFC Police Department,
41:55
Speaker 4: you know, you weren't getting any cooperation, you weren't getting
41:57
Speaker 4: getting any communication. And now we are in talks with
42:03
Speaker 4: the new chief, which we are happy about. He communicates
42:08
Speaker 4: to us and we really think that with this chief
42:11
Speaker 4: in place, that we will have a good chance of
42:15
Speaker 4: getting some assistance, that he won't be afraid to ask
42:18
Speaker 4: for assistance, and that Julia's case may finally get solved.
42:23
Speaker 4: So but it is affect. It has changed our lives
42:26
Speaker 4: in so many ways, so many ways.
42:30
Speaker 9: Well, nobody really underd truly understands what it does to
42:33
Speaker 9: the ten year old that has to grow up, you know, now,
42:37
Speaker 9: being I'm.
42:37
Speaker 17: Twenty one now, nobody.
42:40
Speaker 9: Asked me when I was a kid, you know how
42:42
Speaker 9: I felt, how all of it affected me. Yeah, changed,
42:48
Speaker 9: It changed.
42:48
Speaker 15: My life a lot.
42:49
Speaker 8: My sisters.
42:51
Speaker 9: I was a little sister, but I was the protector
42:53
Speaker 9: over my sisters. The last thing that I did with
42:57
Speaker 9: Julia will spend you know, little sieves weekend.
43:00
Speaker 15: With her and you know, build, not build, but create,
43:04
Speaker 15: you know.
43:05
Speaker 9: A heart on her wall made out of you know photos.
43:10
Speaker 15: She was my biggest supporter.
43:12
Speaker 9: She anytime that I come around is oh my god,
43:16
Speaker 9: my little sister, my little sister. That she would you know,
43:19
Speaker 9: introduce me to all her friends. I was like, I
43:22
Speaker 9: literally felt like a famous person when I was hanging
43:24
Speaker 9: out with my sister when everything had happened. After she
43:29
Speaker 9: passed away, I kind of became a support system for
43:34
Speaker 9: the family because you know, I have a mom who
43:37
Speaker 9: I have parents that are dealing with the grief of
43:39
Speaker 9: their child, and then I have my other sister who
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Speaker 9: is grieving the loss of her twins.
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Speaker 15: And so I spent a lot of you know, the
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Speaker 15: first you.
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Speaker 9: Know, six years of Julia's murder being you know, a
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Speaker 9: support system to my family. It wasn't until I was
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Speaker 9: sixteen that I went to my parents and said, I
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Speaker 9: need help. I need to go to counseling. I need
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Speaker 9: to agree with my sister in the right way. And
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Speaker 9: I still grieve her. There are so many things now
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Speaker 9: in my life, being twenty one, that I would want
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Speaker 9: to have my sister here for.
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Speaker 15: I graduated high school.
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Speaker 9: When I wanted to drop out because of everything that
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Speaker 9: I went through with her, with her murder and accuse,
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Speaker 9: the false accusations on my dad. I was ready to
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Speaker 9: drop out in the sixth grade. Through I graduated high school.
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Speaker 9: I started a trade school college two to three months
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Speaker 9: after I graduated high school. A matter of fact, I
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Speaker 9: graduated high school four months early compared to everybody else.
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Speaker 17: But my sister wasn't here for that, and she should
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Speaker 17: have been. My sister would have been screaming my name
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Speaker 17: and cheering for me at my graduation, but I didn't
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Speaker 17: get any event.
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Speaker 9: I now own my own dog training business. She would
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Speaker 9: be my number one supporter, She would my number one networker.
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Speaker 9: She would be like, what do you need medicon? I'm
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Speaker 9: want to tell everybody they got a dog, go to
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Speaker 9: my sister.
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Speaker 15: You got a dog, Go to my sister.
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Speaker 9: That would have been hurt.
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Speaker 15: She would have been here for it all and I.
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Speaker 9: Want her to be But obviously that can't happen.
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Speaker 1: I want to move forward. We don't have the video,
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Speaker 1: we don't have DNA.
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Speaker 10: What do we have?
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Speaker 2: That's where Jason Jensen comes in, private investigator at Jensen
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Speaker 2: Private Investigations dot com. Is it true that you have
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Speaker 2: agreed to cover expenses to retest the DNA sopig can
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Speaker 2: be done?
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Speaker 1: Is this true?
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Speaker 12: Yes, it is true, Nancy. I mean what we have
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Speaker 12: and what we've discussed so far is the fact that
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Speaker 12: there was SDR DNA ran through codis well, that's the
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Speaker 12: old technology. You have to really start from scratch again.
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Speaker 12: In order to in order to do genetic genealogy, you
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Speaker 12: have to have snipped, so you have to run through
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Speaker 12: hold genome sequence exactly.
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Speaker 2: So now it will be a matter of obtaining the
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Speaker 2: DNA from LA Law enforcement in order for you to
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Speaker 2: do the test. If you know or think you know
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Speaker 2: anything about the murder of this beautiful young girl, call
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Speaker 2: toll free one eight hundred, Speak Up one eight hundred, seven,
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Speaker 2: seveny three two five eight seven.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,