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Speaker 1: I know what you're thinking, quite your jibber jabber in
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Speaker 1: fact me and fact you. I shall We are going
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Speaker 1: to talk about Olgat of Kiev, Saint Olga, as some
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Speaker 1: of you may know, and I love this women. But
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Speaker 1: History dot com. So let's talk about oga. I fucking
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Speaker 1: love oga. So, as we know with women in the past,
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Speaker 1: birthdates kind of like throwing a dart at a map,
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Speaker 1: you never really know where it's gonna end up if
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Speaker 1: you have terrible dart skills like me. So, because we
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Speaker 1: don't really know too much about Olga of Kiev. We
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Speaker 1: have her birthdate. You're gonna love this one. Oga of
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Speaker 1: Kiev was born somewhere between the year eight ninety and
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Speaker 1: nine hundred and twenty five. But women of the past,
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Speaker 1: who knows. So we don't really know much about her
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Speaker 1: life pre marriage, except we think she might have been Hungarian.
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Speaker 1: So like Viking is generally the tear so like what
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Speaker 1: Greeks and Russians would call the Vikings, and so she
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Speaker 1: may have been Viking, but you don't know. It's very
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Speaker 1: much a maybe. So we generally think that Olga was
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Speaker 1: born in nine oh three ish and around in Pskov, Russia.
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Speaker 1: If I've pronounced that incorrectly, Yeah, probably Pscov. That sounds
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Speaker 1: sounds vaguely right. We don't really know that much about
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Speaker 1: her even when she marries, because she marries, like when
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Speaker 1: she's about fifteen or so, to Igor or Igor, Prince
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Speaker 1: of Kiev, and they have a son. So a Got
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Speaker 1: is married to Prince Egor of Kiev. So let's talk
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Speaker 1: about the Kievan russ So the Kievan rus was like
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Speaker 1: this empire that had built up, eh not everybody was
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Speaker 1: super thrilled about that, Like the Drevlians, which were this
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Speaker 1: tribe who generally paid tribute to like a bunch of
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Speaker 1: people who had come before egor so like a bunch
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Speaker 1: of princes and his predecessors and stuff they would pay.
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Speaker 1: There was this which was effectively part of this extortion racket.
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Speaker 1: So they would pay this fucking protection fee to all
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Speaker 1: of these previous princes of Kiev. But when the prince
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Speaker 1: before die in nine hundred and twelve, they decide, fuck it, no,
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Speaker 1: we're gonna pay this. We're gonna pay this, this fucking fee,
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Speaker 1: this tribute to this local warlord. Instead by egos like mate, no,
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Speaker 1: I want my privilege is back. Fuck this, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: get these guys onside. So he takes a trip to
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Speaker 1: their capital of Eskoriston, which now would be in like
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Speaker 1: northern Ukraine, and he shows up and he's like, look,
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Speaker 1: tis I your leader? Give him my fucking money, and
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Speaker 1: they're like no, this visit him is showing up was
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Speaker 1: like a slap in the face to the Trevlians, and
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Speaker 1: they're fucking pissed about it. So what do they do.
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Speaker 1: They decide to kill him. What they do is they
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Speaker 1: bend down these two birch trees and they tie Prince
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Speaker 1: Igor's feet and his legs to the trees, and then
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Speaker 1: they let the trees straight They just let go like boing,
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Speaker 1: and they let the trees straighten up again, which hah,
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Speaker 1: pretty much. It tears him apart, It literally rips him
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Speaker 1: Jesus anyway, So he's dead in a horrific fashion, and
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Speaker 1: Olga is Augas still at home with their three year
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Speaker 1: old son, Sviatoslav. And Sviatoslav he's like three years old
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Speaker 1: and you know, generally too young to actually rule, so
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Speaker 1: Olga has to step up and rule in his place.
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Speaker 1: So the Drevelans are like, oh, I have an idea.
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Speaker 1: This is a lady on the throne, and as a lady,
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Speaker 1: she must be in want of a husband, and so
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Speaker 1: we shall bend this demure noble woman to her will,
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Speaker 1: and they will range for her to marry the Dreveleyan
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Speaker 1: prince Mal, which means not only would they no longer
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Speaker 1: have to pay any sort of protection fee or fucking
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Speaker 1: tribute to the Kievan Russ, they would rule the Kievan Russ.
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Speaker 1: So while Olga is just ruling and such, the Drevelian
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Speaker 1: send twenty of their best men to try and persuade
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Speaker 1: her to hit up at this Mary, the loving embodiment
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Speaker 1: of her husband's murder. So these diplomats show up and
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Speaker 1: they're like, hmmm, please marry the man who murdered your husband.
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Speaker 1: And she's like, hmm, fuck this for a game of soldiers.
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Speaker 1: And what does she do? She tells the diplomats, why, yes,
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Speaker 1: I do think this is a wonderful proposal, as my
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Speaker 1: husband is dead and cannot be you know, brought back.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, but you know, I think we're
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Speaker 1: gonna wait till tomorrow so I can honor you. So
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Speaker 1: if you please could go back to your boat, and
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Speaker 1: I want you to tell people that it was like
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Speaker 1: your idea and that you only want to be in
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Speaker 1: your boat so that you are seen to have the
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Speaker 1: authority because obviously you're men, and I'm just like, what
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Speaker 1: a princess. And while they're in their boat, she gets
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Speaker 1: her men to dig a ditch. So the next day,
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Speaker 1: good as her word, they stay in their boat and
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Speaker 1: they are carried. The people of Kiev carry the Trevilians
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Speaker 1: in their boat and they were carried into the court
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Speaker 1: where whips they were dropped into a fucking trench that
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Speaker 1: Oga had demanded to be dug the day before, and
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Speaker 1: while they are being buried alive in this fucking pit.
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Speaker 1: Olga bends down and says to the diplomats, and I'm
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Speaker 1: paraphrasing a weep it, she said, how do you like
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Speaker 1: them apples? Bitch? Instead of just leaving it as it is,
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Speaker 1: like burying alive a bunch of diplomats, Olga has other ideas.
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Speaker 1: Oga decides to send word back to Prince Mam and
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Speaker 1: that she would absolutely, definitely, one hundred percent love to
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Speaker 1: marry him. However, she would require, you know, in order
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Speaker 1: to be respectful and to show just like how important
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Speaker 1: this match was, because you know, she's a fucking princess,
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Speaker 1: the ruler of the Kievan russ and if they want
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Speaker 1: this marriage to happen, then frankly they need to send
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Speaker 1: over their gentry to collect her and accompany her back
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Speaker 1: to the Drevelian territory. And so Prince mal her wannabe sitter,
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Speaker 1: happily obliges to this because like he isn't aware the
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Speaker 1: dignitaries and diplomats have been buried alive, but he's like, yay,
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Speaker 1: more people to transport my princess. WHOA why'd they come
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Speaker 1: this way? So he sends a party of like the gentry,
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Speaker 1: so a bunch of his chieftains, he sends them over,
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Speaker 1: and so she gives them a grand welcome, because of
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Speaker 1: course she does. She's she's well coming the gentry into
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Speaker 1: her court, and so, being the kind considerate host she is,
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Speaker 1: she invites the visitors to clean up in her bath house.
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Speaker 1: So they go in, and they go to have a wash,
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Speaker 1: and she locks the doors, sets fire to it and
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Speaker 1: burns everyone alive. And you're thinking, jeez, oga, that's that's
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Speaker 1: two accounts of mass murder. But you know what, she
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Speaker 1: wasn't finished, because hell hath no fury. Like a woman scorned.
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Speaker 1: Even though most of the Drevelian ruling class has been exterminated,
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Speaker 1: Olga decides she's going to get rid of the rest
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Speaker 1: of them. She announces that she'll be arriving back the
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Speaker 1: Drevellian capitals. She's heading back to Escoriston, and she asks
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Speaker 1: them to arrange a funeral feast so they could all
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Speaker 1: mourn over her husband's death in that city. And even
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Speaker 1: though no one had heard from either of the groups
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Speaker 1: they'd already sent to Augus's court, the Drevelians are like, yes,
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Speaker 1: she's coming, we better said about this fast, and they
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Speaker 1: have a feast, and what do they do? They have
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Speaker 1: the fucking feast. So they have this big feast and
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Speaker 1: there's lots of food and mead and merriment, and everybody
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Speaker 1: gets fucking slashed. Well, all of the Revlians get slashed.
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Speaker 1: They're all out for the count. They're drunk. And while
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Speaker 1: they are all rat arsed, Ouga soldiers sillyh five thousand
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Speaker 1: of them, and you're thinking, okay, she's done now, She's
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Speaker 1: not done yet. No, So the surviving Revelians they're like
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Speaker 1: begging for mercy, and they're like, we'll pay you in
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Speaker 1: honey and far and other goods which are neither sticky
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Speaker 1: nor furry. And she's like, okay, give me three doves
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Speaker 1: and three sparrows from each house. And because I don't
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Speaker 1: need all the money, I don't need a huge tribute.
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Speaker 1: I don't need that. I'm not going to extort you.
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Speaker 1: All I want is this teeny tiny gift. You're clearly
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Speaker 1: impoverished after all of these sieges. What Olga does is
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Speaker 1: Olga gives each of her soldiers and her army a
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Speaker 1: bird and they have to attach like bas of like silver,
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Speaker 1: which is like tied to the legs with bits of cloth,
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Speaker 1: and so it's nighttime. She gets the soldiers to release
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Speaker 1: the birds and they all fly back to coops their haemos.
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Speaker 1: The eaves, the porches, and every house, every fucking house
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Speaker 1: in this entire village is engulfed in flames, and there
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Speaker 1: is no chance in hell anybody is escaping. People are
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Speaker 1: trying to flee, and anybody who tries to flee or
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Speaker 1: the soldiers are catching them. So she takes the city
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Speaker 1: so like she has decimated the city. At this point
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Speaker 1: it has burned to the ground, it is cinders. At
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Speaker 1: this point she captures like the elders of the city,
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Speaker 1: and she kills some of the captives, and she gives
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Speaker 1: some slaves to her followers, and then whoever's left she
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Speaker 1: leaves so they can pay tribute. After this, people are
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Speaker 1: generally like, hmmm, let's not mess with Olga. After this
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Speaker 1: whole thing, Auga stays the regent ruler of the Kiev
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Speaker 1: and russ and she is like supported by her army
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Speaker 1: and her people. She does change the sort of the
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Speaker 1: system of tribute gathering, so the first recorded legal reform
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Speaker 1: in Eastern Europe, and she manages to like avoid marriage
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Speaker 1: proposal for the most part, and she manages to defend
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Speaker 1: the city during the Siege of Kiev in nine sixty eight,
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Speaker 1: managing to save the throne for her son. And as
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Speaker 1: she's ruling, she establishes trading posts, trade centers, towns, boundary posts,
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Speaker 1: hunting grounds. She manages to centralize state rule with these
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Speaker 1: trade centers, which are called pago state and these would
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Speaker 1: be like really really important in the ethnic and cultural
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Speaker 1: unification of you know, the Rose people, and all of
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Speaker 1: these border posts they sort of establish these national boundaries
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Speaker 1: of the kingdom. When her son takes over and he
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Speaker 1: starts going on like military campaigns and things like that
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Speaker 1: while he's away, he basically puts her back in his
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Speaker 1: regent when he's away, and she takes charge and stays
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Speaker 1: there with her grandsons while he's out doing his thing.
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Speaker 1: Remember when I said she was a saint. You're probably
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Speaker 1: thinking at this point, how is this incredibly vengeful and
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Speaker 1: vicious person a saint. Well, in the nine fifties, Oga
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Speaker 1: travels to Constantinople, which at the time was the capital
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Speaker 1: of the Byzantine Empire, and once she's there, the assistance
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Speaker 1: of the Emperor Constantine the seventh, she converts to Christianity,
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Speaker 1: but it seems to be like it's really funny. It's
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Speaker 1: kind of like a cat mouse thing a wee bit.
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Speaker 1: So what I think is is it Constantine was like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you and I could roll together because like he says
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Speaker 1: that she's pretty cute, she's pretty hot for whatever the
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Speaker 1: standards were in the time, and she's like really smart.
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Speaker 1: So she's like, what are we chat? Constantine's like, you're
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Speaker 1: worthy to reign with me in this city. And when
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Speaker 1: he says that, all was like that's nice. I'm pagan.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, and so the topic of baptism comes up
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Speaker 1: and she's like, listen, if you want to baptize me,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do it yourself. Like fine, So
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Speaker 1: the emperor, with the assistant of the patriarch, baptizes her
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Speaker 1: and she gets christened with the name Helena, and it's
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Speaker 1: frome to one of two places. It's either from Saint
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Speaker 1: Helena or she literally named herself after Emperor Constantine's current wife, Helena.
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Speaker 1: So Constantine is like, hey, so you want to get
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Speaker 1: married now that you're all baptized, and she's like, oh no,
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Speaker 1: oh dear church. Law states that a god daughter can't
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Speaker 1: actually marry her godfather. So whoops. Some people may have
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Speaker 1: been pissed at that and thought they were chucked in
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Speaker 1: the friend zone, but he was like, ha ha, you
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Speaker 1: have outwitted me. And then it gives her a bunch
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Speaker 1: of shit like gold, silver silks, vases and a bunch
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Speaker 1: of other stuff. So she returned back to Kiev and
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Speaker 1: she's like, hey, son, my darling, Seattle's laugh do you
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Speaker 1: want to get baptized? And he was like no, He's like,
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Speaker 1: my followers would laugh at me if i'd like turned Christian,
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Speaker 1: but okay, And she's like trying to convince him that
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Speaker 1: his followers would you know, convert to if he converted,
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Speaker 1: but he's like, nah, I'm good, but he did, but
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Speaker 1: he did elect to like not persecute anybody who decided
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Speaker 1: to convert to Christianity, which you know is probably the
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Speaker 1: best you could hope for at the time. So August
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Speaker 1: starts building churches in like Piscoff and Kiev and a
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Speaker 1: bunch of other places, and Olga tries to like invite
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Speaker 1: bishops from the Byzantian Empire over she asks the Holy
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Speaker 1: Roman Emperor Auto to like send some bishops and some
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Speaker 1: priests and the bishops had sort of gone, but the
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Speaker 1: Pagans were like, we don't want the bishops here, and
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Speaker 1: so the bishops were just like spelled really. So Agad
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Speaker 1: dies in nine hundred and sixty nine, which is not
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Speaker 1: long after the Siege of Kiev. As she's still dying
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Speaker 1: in her last days, she used to convince her son
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Speaker 1: to actually stay in Kiev with her, and he's like,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking of moving like my throne and all that
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Speaker 1: stuff to Danube. And she's like, can you stay here
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Speaker 1: for a bit, because I don't think I'm here for long.
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Speaker 1: And she's like, listen, I'm gonna die soon. Can you
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Speaker 1: please ensure that I have a proper burial, a Christian burial,
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Speaker 1: that's all. And then you can go and do whatever
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Speaker 1: you want, son, you know, whatever you like. And so
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Speaker 1: she dies three days later, the whole of the Kiev
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Speaker 1: and russ goes into mourning. The Princess of Kiev has
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Speaker 1: last writes performed by a priest, and even though Fiatislov
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Speaker 1: really didn't like Christianity, he was still respectful enough of
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Speaker 1: his mum that he gets her priest Gregory, to hold
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Speaker 1: a Christian funeral and not do any of the like
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Speaker 1: the ritual pagan feast and all that stuff. And she's
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Speaker 1: buried in a tomb inv and she's there for like
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Speaker 1: two hundred years, and then it gets destroyed by the
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Speaker 1: Mongolian Tatar armies of the Batucan in about twelve forty
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Speaker 1: so well Olga was alive, she tried to make the
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Speaker 1: Kievan Rus like a Christian territory, but it didn't really
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Speaker 1: work at the time. But it was actually her grandson
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Speaker 1: Vladimir who ended up officially turning to Christianity in about
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Speaker 1: nine eighty eight, making it like making it like the
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Speaker 1: official religion of the Kievan Rus like nearly six centuries
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Speaker 1: after her death in fifteen forty seven, the Russian Orthodox
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Speaker 1: Church names Olga ascent. She ends up being. She get
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Speaker 1: this honorific called the ace Apostolous, which means equal to
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Speaker 1: the apostles the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Ruthenian Greek Catholic Church,
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Speaker 1: and the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church, and she's also centered
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Speaker 1: in the Roman Catholic Church. Augus's face day is July eleventh,
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Speaker 1: which is supposedly the date of her death, and so
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Speaker 1: Saint Oga becomes the patron saint of widows and converts.
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Speaker 1: She inspires like a bunch of stuff. There's like twenty
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Speaker 1: five churches and monuments that are made in her honor. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's like twenty five monuments in churches and stuff dedicated
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Speaker 1: to her. And that's in Australia, Canada, Russia, obviously, the
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Speaker 1: Ukraine and the US. There's like monuments, airports, chapels, churches, cathedrals, bridges,
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Speaker 1: like a bunch of stuff. There's this is really funny.
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Speaker 1: A ballet based on Olga's life was composed to commemorate
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Speaker 1: the fifteen hundredth anniversary of the City of Kiev. In
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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, there was a concept album by the
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Speaker 1: French band Jirod about Olga of Kiev called a Perfect Absolution.
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Speaker 1: And in nineteen ninety seven the Ukraine created the Order
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Speaker 1: of Princess Olga and it basically has a sort of
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Speaker 1: symbol of Olga of Kiev on this little medal with
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Speaker 1: a wee ribbon, and it's a Ukrainian civil decoration and
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Speaker 1: it is bestowed to women for and I quote personal
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Speaker 1: merits in state production, scientific, educational, cultural charity and other
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Speaker 1: spheres of social activities for upbringing children and families. And
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Speaker 1: it is and it has a first second in third
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Speaker 1: class grades and Ukrainian citizens and foreigners are eligible for
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Speaker 1: the order. And that is the story of Princess Olga
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Speaker 1: of Kiev. Wow. I just some saints have the best stories,
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Speaker 1: like they just do. And what did we learned today?
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Speaker 1: Some saints are badasses. Don't murder somebody's husband and then
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Speaker 1: try and marry them. Oh, and you know what, I
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Speaker 1: like to think that Olga kV is the patron saint
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Speaker 1: of widows, converts and burning the fucking patriarchy. Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 1: Oh I like that one. And see, these are stories
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Speaker 1: I don't think get told very often because a lot
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Speaker 1: of our history revolves around straight white men for the majority,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and sort of colonialism. Really,
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Speaker 1: recommendations listening I've been listening to I've actually been listening to.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to the Lego movie, the second part soundtrack,
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Speaker 1: specifically the catchy song I've just been It's really handy
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Speaker 1: when you need to move stuff as I've been listening
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Speaker 1: to that and some Team starkd stuff and a wee
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Speaker 1: bit of Hamilton and a wee bit of Beetle Jess.
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Speaker 1: So I was actually on my Spotify for the first
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Speaker 1: time in a long time. Podcast wise, really really enjoying.
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Speaker 1: There's an Irish true crime podcast called Men's Rea it is.
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Speaker 1: It's really good. If you like true crime and you
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Speaker 1: love Irish voices and people who know what they're talking about,
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Speaker 1: absolutely you should absolutely go listen. It's fantastic. Please please,
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Speaker 1: but if anybody has any recommendations, I would love Although
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Speaker 1: I'm very tempted to start reading Murder most on Ladylike,
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Speaker 1: even though I know it's a children's book, but still
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Speaker 1: and if anyone has any recommendation for somewhere I can
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Speaker 1: get some really cool stickers because I really want to
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Speaker 1: get my skating helmet covered because I'm planning to get
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Speaker 1: my roller skates back out to see if I can
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Speaker 1: get myself physically moving on them without crying. That's that's
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Speaker 1: the goal. So if anyone has any recommendations for stickers
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Speaker 1: I can cover my helmet in, that would be super great.
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Speaker 1: And on that note, I'm going to bid you farewell
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Speaker 1: and I will check to you soon. Adios, or of
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