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Tours for People Who Don't Want to Be "Tourists", Plus a Deep Dive Into the Spiritual Life of Japan · The Frommer's Travel Show

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  Foreign.
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  And
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  welcome
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  to
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  the
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  Fromer
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  Travel
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  Show.
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  I'm
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  your
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  host,
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  Pauline
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  Fromer.
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  There
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  was
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  a
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  really
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  intriguing
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  article
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  recently
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  in
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  the
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  New
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  York
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  Times.
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  Its
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  headline
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  was
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  Sick
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  of
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  Feeling
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  like
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  a
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  Tourist.
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  There's
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  a
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  tour
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  for
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  that.
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  I
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  have
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  the
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  author
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  on
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  the
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  line.
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  His
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  name
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  is
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  Jonathan
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  Zwickle.
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  Hey
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  Jonathan,
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  thank
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  you
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  so
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  much
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  for
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  appearing
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  on
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  the
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  Fromer
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  Travel
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  Show.
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  Thanks
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  for
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  having
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  me.
• 1:34
  Pauline,
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  how
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  are
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  you
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  doing?
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  I'm
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  doing
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  good.
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  So
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  tell
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  me
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  how
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  you
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  got
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  the
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  idea
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  for
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  this
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  article.
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  The
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  idea
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  came
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  from
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  an
• 1:41
  experience
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  I
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  had
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  in
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  Athens
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  this
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  past
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  summer
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  where
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  I
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  had
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  a
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  quick
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  sort
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  of
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  three
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  night
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  layover,
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  basically
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  in
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  between
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  some
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  other
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  travel
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  doing.
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  And
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  because
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  it
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  was
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  such
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  a
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  quick
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  stop,
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  I
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  didn't
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  do
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  any
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  research
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  into
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  Athens
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  other
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  than
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  the
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  information
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  that
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  I
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  already
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  had
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  from,
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  you
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  know,
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  history
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  class
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  in
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  high
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  school
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  and
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  maybe
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  a
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  little
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  bit
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  in
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  college
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  and
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  that
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  sort
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  of
• 2:01
  thing
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  and,
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  you
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  know,
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  maybe
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  bits
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  and
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  pieces
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  of
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  news
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  and,
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  you
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  know,
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  sort
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  of
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  updating
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  on
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  the
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  sort
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  of
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  financial
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  situation
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  and
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  just
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  other
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  like
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  sort
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  of
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  travails
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  that
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  that
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  country
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  has
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  been
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  going
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  through
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  that
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  have
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  made
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  national
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  or
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  international
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  news
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  over
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  the
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  past
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  decade
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  or
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  so.
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  But
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  really
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  no
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  details
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  whatsoever.
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  And
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  when
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  I
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  got
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  to
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  the
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  neighborhood
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  that
• 2:19
  I
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  was
• 2:20
  staying
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  in
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  and
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  exited
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  the
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  metro,
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  I
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  was
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  kind
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  of
• 2:25
  taken
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  aback
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  at
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  the
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  degree
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  of,
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  I
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  mean,
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  I
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  can't
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  think
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  of
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  any
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  other
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  word
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  than
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  wreckage
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  immediately
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  surrounded
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  by.
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  I
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  was
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  staying
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  in
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  a
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  neighborhood
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  called
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  Petrolona
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  and
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  I
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  was
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  just
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  sort
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  of
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  shocked
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  at
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  the
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  ruins
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  surrounded
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  by.
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  And
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  I
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  don't
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  mean
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  like
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  Acropolis
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  style
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  2000
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  year
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  old
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  ruins.
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  I
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  mean
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  like
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  construction
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  from
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  the
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  70s
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  or
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  from
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  the
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  turn
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  of
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  the
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  last
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  century
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  that
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  was
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  crumbling
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  in
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  total
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  disarray
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  with,
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  you
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  know,
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  graffiti
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  slogans
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  like
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  not,
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  not
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  mural
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  art
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  necessarily
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  or,
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  you
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  know,
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  sort
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  of
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  more
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  artistic
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  style
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  of
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  graffiti,
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  but
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  slogans
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  that
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  were
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  mostly
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  anti
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  fascist
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  or
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  soccer,
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  soccer
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  team,
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  your
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  football
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  team
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  slogans.
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  And
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  also
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  plenty
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  of
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  like
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  tourists
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  go
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  home
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  type
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  mottos
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  written
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  in
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  Greek,
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  which
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  I,
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  you
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  know,
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  had
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  to
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  photograph
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  and
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  then
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  try
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  to
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  translate.
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  And
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  I
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  was
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  just,
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  I
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  was
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  not
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  prepared
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  for,
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  I
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  guess,
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  just
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  like
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  the
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  sort
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  of
• 3:24
  urban
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  decay
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  that
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  was
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  so
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  apparent
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  to
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  me.
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  And
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  within
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  this
• 3:29
  massive
• 3:29
  neighborhood,
• 3:30
  you
• 3:30
  know,
• 3:30
  populous
• 3:30
  neighborhood
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  that
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  I
• 3:31
  was
• 3:31
  staying
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  in
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  just
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  seemed
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  like
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  that
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  was
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  kind
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  of
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  the
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  common
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  visual
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  theme
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  that
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  I
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  was
• 3:37
  surrounded
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  by.
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  And
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  you
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  know,
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  I
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  spent
• 3:39
  the
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  day
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  wandering
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  around
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  and
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  taking
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  this
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  all
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  in
• 3:41
  and
• 3:42
  speaking
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  with
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  a
• 3:43
  couple
• 3:43
  Athenians,
• 3:44
  you
• 3:44
  know,
• 3:44
  just
• 3:44
  strangers
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  that
• 3:45
  I
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  bumped
• 3:45
  into
• 3:45
  at
• 3:45
  the
• 3:46
  bar
• 3:46
  or
• 3:46
  in
• 3:46
  the
• 3:46
  park
• 3:47
  and
• 3:47
  that
• 3:47
  sort
• 3:47
  of
• 3:47
  thing,
• 3:47
  who
• 3:48
  seemed
• 3:49
  very
• 3:49
  frustrated
• 3:51
  by
• 3:51
  the
• 3:51
  state
• 3:52
  of
• 3:52
  their
• 3:52
  city.
• 3:52
  Their
• 3:52
  country,
• 3:53
  their
• 3:53
  government,
• 3:55
  their
• 3:55
  status
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  on
• 3:56
  the
• 3:56
  sort
• 3:56
  of
• 3:56
  international
• 3:57
  stage.
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  And
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  all
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  of
• 3:59
  this
• 3:59
  was,
• 3:59
  like,
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  really
• 4:00
  illuminating
• 4:01
  to
• 4:01
  me
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  or
• 4:01
  surprising
• 4:02
  to
• 4:02
  me.
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  And
• 4:03
  I,
• 4:04
  in
• 4:04
  the
• 4:05
  brief
• 4:05
  time
• 4:05
  that
• 4:05
  I
• 4:06
  had
• 4:06
  in
• 4:06
  Athens,
• 4:07
  I
• 4:07
  tried
• 4:08
  to
• 4:08
  figure
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  out,
• 4:08
  okay,
• 4:08
  how
• 4:09
  can
• 4:09
  I,
• 4:09
  how
• 4:09
  can
• 4:10
  I
• 4:10
  figure
• 4:10
  out
• 4:10
  the
• 4:11
  story
• 4:11
  here?
• 4:11
  What's
• 4:11
  going
• 4:12
  on
• 4:12
  here?
• 4:12
  And
• 4:12
  I
• 4:12
  was
• 4:13
  Googling
• 4:13
  around
• 4:13
  for
• 4:14
  different
• 4:14
  walking
• 4:15
  tours,
• 4:15
  you
• 4:16
  know,
• 4:16
  90%
• 4:17
  of
• 4:17
  which
• 4:17
  are
• 4:18
  Acropolis
• 4:20
  walking
• 4:20
  tours.
• 4:20
  Sure.
• 4:21
  Or
• 4:21
  maybe
• 4:22
  there's,
• 4:22
  you
• 4:23
  know,
• 4:23
  Greek
• 4:23
  street
• 4:24
  food
• 4:24
  or
• 4:24
  Athenian
• 4:24
  street
• 4:25
  food
• 4:25
  tours,
• 4:25
  or
• 4:26
  there
• 4:26
  are
• 4:26
  some
• 4:26
  history
• 4:27
  tours
• 4:27
  that,
• 4:27
  you
• 4:28
  know,
• 4:28
  explore
• 4:28
  different
• 4:28
  neighborhoods
• 4:29
  and
• 4:29
  that
• 4:29
  sort
• 4:29
  of
• 4:29
  thing,
• 4:29
  but
• 4:30
  there
• 4:30
  was
• 4:30
  nothing.
• 4:30
  There
• 4:30
  was,
• 4:31
  there's
• 4:31
  only
• 4:31
  one
• 4:32
  experience
• 4:32
  I
• 4:33
  was
• 4:33
  actually
• 4:34
  looking
• 4:34
  on
• 4:34
  Airbnb
• 4:35
  experiences
• 4:35
  specifically,
• 4:36
  and
• 4:36
  there
• 4:36
  was
• 4:37
  one
• 4:37
  that
• 4:38
  described
• 4:38
  itself
• 4:39
  as.
• 4:40
  The
• 4:40
  tour
• 4:40
  was
• 4:40
  called
• 4:41
  Awful
• 4:41
  Athens.
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  Awful.
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  A
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  W
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  U
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  L.
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  Oh,
• 4:44
  wow.
• 4:45
  And
• 4:45
  I
• 4:46
  was
• 4:46
  interested
• 4:46
  in
• 4:46
  that
• 4:47
  right
• 4:47
  away.
• 4:47
  That
• 4:48
  one
• 4:48
  wasn't
• 4:48
  available.
• 4:48
  I
• 4:49
  ended
• 4:49
  up
• 4:49
  signing
• 4:50
  up
• 4:50
  for
• 4:50
  a
• 4:50
  similar
• 4:50
  tour
• 4:51
  with
• 4:51
  the
• 4:52
  same
• 4:52
  tour
• 4:53
  guide,
• 4:53
  and
• 4:54
  this
• 4:54
  one
• 4:54
  was
• 4:54
  called
• 4:54
  the
• 4:54
  Athens
• 4:55
  Social
• 4:55
  and
• 4:55
  Political
• 4:55
  Walking
• 4:56
  Tour.
• 4:56
  And
• 4:57
  the,
• 4:57
  the
• 4:57
  catchphrase
• 4:58
  on
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  website
• 4:59
  or
• 4:59
  on,
• 5:00
  on
• 5:00
  Airbnb
• 5:00
  was
• 5:01
  how
• 5:01
  did
• 5:02
  the
• 5:03
  cradle
• 5:03
  of
• 5:04
  democracy
• 5:04
  become
• 5:05
  the
• 5:05
  basket
• 5:05
  case
• 5:05
  of
• 5:06
  Europe?
• 5:08
  Which
• 5:08
  was
• 5:08
  exactly
• 5:08
  the
• 5:09
  question
• 5:09
  running
• 5:09
  through
• 5:09
  my
• 5:09
  mind.
• 5:10
  So
• 5:10
  I
• 5:10
  signed
• 5:10
  up
• 5:11
  for
• 5:11
  this
• 5:11
  tour
• 5:11
  without
• 5:12
  really
• 5:12
  any,
• 5:12
  you
• 5:13
  know,
• 5:13
  sort
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  prior
• 5:13
  knowledge
• 5:14
  of
• 5:14
  the
• 5:14
  tour
• 5:14
  guide
• 5:15
  or
• 5:15
  the
• 5:15
  subject
• 5:15
  matter,
• 5:16
  and
• 5:16
  the
• 5:16
  next
• 5:16
  day
• 5:17
  took
• 5:17
  the
• 5:17
  tour,
• 5:18
  you
• 5:18
  know,
• 5:18
  met
• 5:18
  at
• 5:18
  the
• 5:18
  designated
• 5:19
  spot
• 5:19
  and
• 5:20
  then
• 5:20
  proceeded
• 5:20
  to
• 5:20
  wander
• 5:21
  through
• 5:21
  several
• 5:22
  different
• 5:22
  neighborhoods
• 5:23
  within
• 5:24
  the
• 5:24
  core
• 5:25
  of
• 5:25
  downtown
• 5:26
  Athens
• 5:27
  with
• 5:27
  this
• 5:28
  guide.
• 5:28
  Mid
• 5:29
  30s,
• 5:30
  very
• 5:31
  opinionated,
• 5:33
  super
• 5:33
  talkative,
• 5:34
  very
• 5:34
  well
• 5:35
  versed
• 5:36
  political
• 5:36
  scientist
• 5:37
  who
• 5:37
  was
• 5:37
  actually
• 5:37
  born
• 5:37
  and
• 5:38
  raised
• 5:38
  in
• 5:38
  Valencia,
• 5:39
  Spain,
• 5:40
  but
• 5:40
  had
• 5:40
  been
• 5:40
  living
• 5:40
  in
• 5:41
  Athens
• 5:41
  for
• 5:41
  over
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  decade.
• 5:42
  He
• 5:43
  did
• 5:43
  some
• 5:43
  graduate
• 5:44
  study
• 5:44
  work
• 5:44
  in
• 5:45
  Athens
• 5:45
  and
• 5:45
  then
• 5:45
  ended
• 5:46
  up
• 5:46
  staying
• 5:46
  because
• 5:47
  he
• 5:47
  found
• 5:47
  this
• 5:47
  place
• 5:47
  to
• 5:48
  be
• 5:48
  such
• 5:48
  a
• 5:49
  rich
• 5:49
  sort
• 5:50
  of
• 5:50
  classroom
• 5:51
  for
• 5:52
  the
• 5:52
  kind
• 5:53
  of,
• 5:53
  you
• 5:53
  know,
• 5:53
  anthropology
• 5:54
  and
• 5:54
  political
• 5:54
  science
• 5:55
  that
• 5:55
  he's
• 5:55
  interested
• 5:55
  in.
• 5:56
  And
• 5:56
  so
• 5:57
  he
• 5:57
  then
• 5:58
  led
• 5:58
  this
• 5:58
  tour
• 5:58
  that
• 5:59
  I
• 5:59
  was
• 5:59
  on
• 5:59
  with
• 6:00
  maybe
• 6:00
  four
• 6:00
  or
• 6:00
  five
• 6:00
  other
• 6:01
  folks
• 6:01
  with
• 6:02
  the
• 6:02
  perspective
• 6:03
  of.
• 6:03
  And
• 6:03
  I
• 6:04
  found
• 6:04
  this
• 6:04
  to
• 6:04
  be
• 6:04
  really
• 6:04
  interesting.
• 6:05
  Somebody
• 6:05
  who
• 6:06
  lives
• 6:06
  and
• 6:07
  is
• 6:07
  like,
• 6:07
  committed
• 6:07
  to
• 6:07
  living
• 6:08
  in
• 6:08
  the
• 6:08
  city,
• 6:08
  but
• 6:09
  also
• 6:09
  somebody
• 6:09
  who
• 6:09
  isn't
• 6:10
  from
• 6:11
  the
• 6:11
  city
• 6:11
  and
• 6:11
  is
• 6:12
  an
• 6:12
  academic
• 6:13
  and
• 6:13
  has
• 6:13
  that
• 6:13
  sort
• 6:13
  of
• 6:14
  more
• 6:14
  objective
• 6:15
  distance.
• 6:16
  So
• 6:16
  he
• 6:16
  was
• 6:17
  clearly,
• 6:17
  like,
• 6:17
  intimate
• 6:18
  and
• 6:18
  kind
• 6:18
  of
• 6:18
  in
• 6:19
  love
• 6:19
  with
• 6:19
  Athens,
• 6:19
  but
• 6:20
  also
• 6:20
  had
• 6:21
  a
• 6:21
  little
• 6:21
  bit
• 6:21
  more
• 6:21
  of
• 6:21
  a
• 6:21
  clinical
• 6:22
  understanding
• 6:23
  of
• 6:23
  the
• 6:23
  politics
• 6:24
  and
• 6:25
  sort
• 6:25
  of
• 6:25
  the
• 6:25
  social
• 6:26
  ills
• 6:27
  that
• 6:27
  had
• 6:27
  befallen
• 6:28
  the
• 6:28
  city
• 6:28
  in
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  last,
• 6:29
  like,
• 6:29
  really,
• 6:29
  he
• 6:30
  kept
• 6:30
  the,
• 6:31
  the
• 6:31
  history
• 6:32
  confined
• 6:32
  within
• 6:33
  150
• 6:33
  years
• 6:34
  or
• 6:34
  so,
• 6:34
  which,
• 6:34
  you
• 6:35
  know,
• 6:35
  in
• 6:35
  like,
• 6:35
  American
• 6:36
  terms,
• 6:36
  that's
• 6:36
  a,
• 6:36
  that's,
• 6:37
  that's
• 6:37
  like
• 6:37
  a
• 6:38
  lot
• 6:38
  of
• 6:38
  history
• 6:38
  in
• 6:39
  Greek
• 6:39
  terms,
• 6:40
  that's
• 6:40
  just
• 6:41
  sort
• 6:41
  of
• 6:41
  turning
• 6:41
  a
• 6:41
  page
• 6:42
  backwards
• 6:42
  basically.
• 6:42
  You
• 6:43
  know,
• 6:43
  it's
• 6:43
  just
• 6:43
  a
• 6:43
  blip,
• 6:43
  right?
• 6:44
  And,
• 6:45
  you
• 6:45
  know,
• 6:45
  was
• 6:45
  just
• 6:46
  providing
• 6:46
  so
• 6:46
  much
• 6:47
  context
• 6:47
  into
• 6:48
  what
• 6:48
  had
• 6:49
  occurred
• 6:49
  since
• 6:49
  the
• 6:50
  1840s
• 6:50
  when
• 6:51
  Greece
• 6:52
  left
• 6:53
  the
• 6:53
  Ottoman
• 6:54
  Empire,
• 6:54
  which
• 6:54
  had,
• 6:55
  you
• 6:55
  know,
• 6:55
  had.
• 6:55
  It
• 6:55
  had
• 6:56
  been
• 6:56
  under
• 6:56
  Ottoman
• 6:56
  rule
• 6:56
  for
• 6:57
  four
• 6:57
  or
• 6:57
  five
• 6:57
  hundred
• 6:57
  years
• 6:57
  before
• 6:58
  that,
• 6:58
  and
• 6:59
  then
• 6:59
  basically
• 6:59
  began
• 7:00
  its
• 7:01
  process
• 7:01
  of
• 7:01
  joining
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  rest
• 7:02
  of
• 7:02
  Europe.
• 7:03
  And,
• 7:03
  you
• 7:03
  know,
• 7:03
  his
• 7:04
  point
• 7:04
  was
• 7:04
  that
• 7:04
  at
• 7:04
  that
• 7:05
  time
• 7:05
  in
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  1840s,
• 7:05
  there
• 7:06
  were
• 7:06
  something
• 7:06
  like
• 7:07
  4
• 7:07
  or
• 7:07
  5,000
• 7:08
  people
• 7:08
  living
• 7:09
  in
• 7:09
  Athens.
• 7:10
  Today
• 7:10
  there
• 7:10
  are
• 7:11
  4
• 7:11
  million.
• 7:12
  So,
• 7:12
  like,
• 7:12
  within
• 7:12
  that
• 7:13
  span,
• 7:14
  you
• 7:14
  know,
• 7:14
  the
• 7:15
  population,
• 7:16
  just
• 7:16
  the
• 7:16
  size
• 7:16
  of
• 7:17
  the
• 7:17
  city
• 7:17
  has
• 7:18
  grown
• 7:18
  immensely
• 7:19
  without
• 7:19
  any
• 7:19
  of
• 7:20
  the
• 7:20
  infrastructure
• 7:21
  to
• 7:21
  properly
• 7:22
  keep
• 7:22
  up
• 7:23
  or
• 7:23
  like,
• 7:23
  without
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  oversight.
• 7:26
  When
• 7:26
  it
• 7:26
  came
• 7:26
  to
• 7:26
  construction
• 7:27
  during
• 7:28
  some
• 7:28
  of
• 7:28
  these
• 7:28
  immigration
• 7:29
  booms
• 7:30
  that
• 7:30
  led
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  these
• 7:30
  really
• 7:31
  sort
• 7:31
  of
• 7:32
  poorly
• 7:32
  built
• 7:33
  neighborhoods
• 7:34
  and
• 7:34
  roads
• 7:34
  and,
• 7:35
  you
• 7:35
  know,
• 7:35
  all
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  the
• 7:36
  sort
• 7:36
  of
• 7:36
  wreckage
• 7:37
  that
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  was
• 7:37
  seeing,
• 7:38
  you
• 7:38
  know,
• 7:38
  as
• 7:39
  a
• 7:39
  result
• 7:39
  of
• 7:39
  this
• 7:40
  sort
• 7:40
  of
• 7:40
  rapid
• 7:41
  expansion.
• 7:42
  And,
• 7:42
  you
• 7:43
  know,
• 7:43
  we
• 7:43
  went
• 7:43
  through
• 7:43
  a
• 7:43
  couple
• 7:44
  different
• 7:44
  neighborhoods
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  I
• 7:44
  probably
• 7:45
  would
• 7:45
  not
• 7:45
  have
• 7:46
  either
• 7:46
  thought
• 7:46
  of
• 7:47
  going
• 7:47
  to
• 7:47
  or
• 7:48
  considered
• 7:49
  safe
• 7:49
  to
• 7:49
  go
• 7:49
  to
• 7:50
  had
• 7:50
  I,
• 7:50
  like
• 7:50
  sort
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  stumbled
• 7:51
  into
• 7:51
  them.
• 7:52
  And,
• 7:52
  you
• 7:53
  know,
• 7:53
  at
• 7:53
  no
• 7:53
  point
• 7:54
  was
• 7:54
  he.
• 7:54
  I
• 7:55
  never
• 7:55
  felt
• 7:55
  like
• 7:56
  he
• 7:56
  was
• 7:56
  exploiting
• 7:57
  any
• 7:57
  of
• 7:57
  the
• 7:58
  people
• 7:58
  that
• 7:59
  were
• 7:59
  maybe
• 8:00
  living
• 8:00
  on
• 8:00
  the
• 8:00
  margins
• 8:01
  that
• 8:01
  we
• 8:01
  were
• 8:01
  seeing.
• 8:02
  He
• 8:02
  wasn't
• 8:02
  talking
• 8:03
  about
• 8:03
  individuals,
• 8:04
  he
• 8:04
  was
• 8:04
  talking
• 8:04
  about
• 8:04
  systems
• 8:05
  and
• 8:05
  systemic
• 8:05
  problems
• 8:06
  and
• 8:06
  policy
• 8:07
  problems.
• 8:08
  And
• 8:08
  it
• 8:09
  felt.
• 8:09
  It
• 8:10
  was
• 8:10
  so
• 8:10
  illuminating
• 8:11
  to
• 8:11
  me
• 8:11
  to
• 8:12
  hear
• 8:12
  this
• 8:12
  perspective
• 8:13
  after.
• 8:13
  You
• 8:14
  know,
• 8:14
  he
• 8:14
  was
• 8:14
  really
• 8:15
  good
• 8:15
  at
• 8:15
  answering
• 8:16
  questions.
• 8:16
  You
• 8:17
  know,
• 8:17
  he's
• 8:17
  full
• 8:17
  of
• 8:17
  information,
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  very
• 8:18
  opinionated
• 8:19
  guy.
• 8:19
  And.
• 8:20
  And,
• 8:20
  you
• 8:20
  know,
• 8:20
  it
• 8:20
  became
• 8:21
  clear
• 8:21
  that
• 8:22
  he
• 8:22
  was
• 8:22
  offering
• 8:23
  a
• 8:23
  sort
• 8:23
  of
• 8:24
  counter
• 8:24
  narrative
• 8:25
  and
• 8:25
  perhaps
• 8:25
  an
• 8:26
  extreme
• 8:26
  counter
• 8:26
  narrative
• 8:27
  to
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  more
• 8:27
  popular.
• 8:29
  This
• 8:29
  is
• 8:29
  Athens,
• 8:30
  you
• 8:30
  know,
• 8:30
  tourism
• 8:31
  bureau
• 8:32
  kind
• 8:32
  of
• 8:32
  guidebook
• 8:33
  version
• 8:33
  of
• 8:33
  Athens.
• 8:34
  Now,
• 8:35
  don't
• 8:35
  say
• 8:35
  that
• 8:36
  you're
• 8:36
  talking
• 8:37
  to
• 8:37
  the
• 8:37
  guidebook
• 8:37
  queen,
• 8:38
  but
• 8:38
  yeah,
• 8:38
  that's
• 8:39
  fair.
• 8:40
  We
• 8:40
  try
• 8:40
  to
• 8:40
  be
• 8:41
  as
• 8:41
  open.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  it's
• 8:42
  interesting
• 8:43
  because,
• 8:43
  I
• 8:43
  mean,
• 8:44
  you
• 8:44
  said
• 8:44
  he
• 8:44
  did
• 8:44
  this
• 8:45
  without
• 8:45
  being
• 8:46
  exploitive.
• 8:47
  And
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  was
• 8:48
  going
• 8:48
  to
• 8:48
  be
• 8:48
  a
• 8:48
  question
• 8:49
  of
• 8:49
  mine
• 8:49
  because
• 8:50
  I
• 8:50
  remember
• 8:50
  maybe
• 8:51
  a
• 8:51
  decade
• 8:52
  ago,
• 8:52
  people
• 8:52
  started
• 8:53
  doing
• 8:53
  tours
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  the
• 8:55
  favelas
• 8:56
  of
• 8:56
  Rio
• 8:57
  and
• 8:57
  it
• 8:58
  was
• 8:58
  dubbed
• 8:59
  Poor
• 8:59
  ism.
• 9:00
  P
• 9:00
  O
• 9:01
  O
• 9:01
  R
• 9:01
  ism.
• 9:03
  And
• 9:03
  there
• 9:04
  was.
• 9:04
  It
• 9:04
  was
• 9:05
  controversial
• 9:05
  because
• 9:06
  people
• 9:06
  thought,
• 9:07
  is
• 9:07
  it
• 9:07
  okay
• 9:08
  to
• 9:09
  go
• 9:09
  and
• 9:09
  look
• 9:10
  at
• 9:10
  people
• 9:10
  who
• 9:11
  are
• 9:11
  struggling
• 9:12
  to
• 9:12
  gawk
• 9:13
  basically
• 9:13
  as
• 9:14
  tourists?
• 9:15
  Is
• 9:15
  that
• 9:15
  an
• 9:16
  ethical
• 9:16
  thing
• 9:16
  to
• 9:16
  do?
• 9:17
  It
• 9:17
  sounds
• 9:17
  like
• 9:17
  this
• 9:18
  was
• 9:18
  ethical,
• 9:18
  though.
• 9:19
  It
• 9:20
  felt
• 9:20
  that
• 9:20
  way
• 9:20
  to
• 9:20
  me.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  was
• 9:22
  super
• 9:22
  sensitive
• 9:23
  to
• 9:24
  that
• 9:25
  potential
• 9:25
  tension.
• 9:26
  You
• 9:27
  know,
• 9:27
  once
• 9:27
  the
• 9:27
  tour
• 9:27
  got
• 9:28
  underway,
• 9:28
  it
• 9:28
  didn't
• 9:28
  really
• 9:28
  enter
• 9:29
  my
• 9:29
  mind
• 9:29
  necessarily
• 9:29
  Just
• 9:30
  from
• 9:30
  reading
• 9:30
  the
• 9:31
  description.
• 9:31
  But
• 9:31
  once
• 9:31
  we
• 9:32
  were
• 9:32
  walking
• 9:32
  through,
• 9:32
  like,
• 9:33
  the
• 9:33
  Bangladeshi
• 9:34
  immigrant
• 9:34
  neighborhood,
• 9:35
  which
• 9:35
  is
• 9:36
  probably
• 9:36
  not
• 9:36
  a
• 9:36
  place
• 9:36
  I
• 9:37
  would
• 9:37
  have
• 9:37
  gone,
• 9:37
  but
• 9:37
  it
• 9:38
  was,
• 9:39
  you
• 9:40
  know,
• 9:40
  but
• 9:40
  there
• 9:40
  we
• 9:41
  were,
• 9:41
  and
• 9:41
  there
• 9:41
  were
• 9:41
  guys
• 9:42
  that
• 9:42
  were,
• 9:42
  like,
• 9:43
  in
• 9:43
  a
• 9:43
  doorway
• 9:43
  that
• 9:44
  were
• 9:44
  shelling
• 9:44
  betel
• 9:45
  nuts
• 9:46
  and,
• 9:46
  and
• 9:46
  that,
• 9:46
  you
• 9:46
  know,
• 9:47
  so
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  they
• 9:47
  could
• 9:47
  shoot,
• 9:47
  like,
• 9:48
  things
• 9:48
  that
• 9:48
  I
• 9:48
  had
• 9:48
  never
• 9:48
  really
• 9:49
  seen
• 9:49
  before.
• 9:49
  And,
• 9:50
  you
• 9:50
  know,
• 9:50
  Isaac
• 9:51
  the
• 9:51
  guide
• 9:51
  was,
• 9:51
  you
• 9:51
  know,
• 9:52
  saying
• 9:52
  hello
• 9:52
  and
• 9:53
  talking
• 9:53
  with
• 9:53
  them
• 9:53
  in
• 9:54
  Greek
• 9:54
  and,
• 9:55
  you
• 9:55
  know,
• 9:55
  making
• 9:55
  sure
• 9:55
  that
• 9:55
  he
• 9:56
  was
• 9:56
  engaging.
• 9:57
  It
• 9:57
  didn't
• 9:58
  seem,
• 9:59
  I
• 9:59
  never
• 9:59
  felt
• 10:00
  like
• 10:00
  we
• 10:00
  had
• 10:00
  just
• 10:00
  sort
• 10:00
  of
• 10:00
  parachuted
• 10:01
  in
• 10:01
  and
• 10:01
  we
• 10:02
  were,
• 10:02
  we
• 10:02
  were
• 10:02
  gawking.
• 10:03
  It
• 10:04
  was
• 10:04
  more
• 10:04
  of
• 10:05
  a
• 10:05
  bit
• 10:05
  more
• 10:06
  of
• 10:06
  an
• 10:06
  immersive
• 10:06
  experience.
• 10:07
  And
• 10:08
  Isaac,
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  guide
• 10:09
  was
• 10:09
  being
• 10:10
  as
• 10:10
  mindful
• 10:11
  as
• 10:11
  possible.
• 10:12
  I
• 10:12
  think
• 10:12
  about
• 10:13
  describing
• 10:14
  the
• 10:14
  economics
• 10:15
  and
• 10:15
  the
• 10:16
  sort
• 10:16
  of
• 10:16
  systemic
• 10:17
  problems
• 10:17
  or
• 10:17
  the
• 10:17
  systemic
• 10:18
  reasons
• 10:19
  for
• 10:19
  these
• 10:19
  neighborhoods
• 10:20
  existing
• 10:20
  as
• 10:20
  they
• 10:21
  do,
• 10:21
  rather
• 10:21
  than
• 10:22
  pointing
• 10:22
  out
• 10:22
  any
• 10:22
  kind
• 10:22
  of
• 10:23
  individual
• 10:23
  problems
• 10:24
  or.
• 10:24
  And
• 10:24
  in
• 10:24
  fact,
• 10:24
  like,
• 10:24
  after
• 10:25
  I
• 10:25
  spoke
• 10:25
  with
• 10:25
  him
• 10:25
  after
• 10:26
  the
• 10:26
  tour,
• 10:26
  he
• 10:26
  said
• 10:26
  that
• 10:27
  he,
• 10:27
  you
• 10:27
  know,
• 10:27
  there
• 10:27
  are
• 10:27
  sometimes
• 10:28
  there
• 10:28
  are
• 10:28
  folks
• 10:29
  that
• 10:29
  join
• 10:29
  the
• 10:29
  tour
• 10:29
  and
• 10:30
  they,
• 10:30
  they
• 10:30
  want
• 10:30
  to
• 10:31
  see
• 10:31
  somebody
• 10:32
  smoking
• 10:32
  fentanyl
• 10:32
  in
• 10:33
  a
• 10:33
  doorway
• 10:33
  or
• 10:33
  whatever,
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  know,
• 10:34
  the,
• 10:34
  the
• 10:35
  red
• 10:35
  light
• 10:35
  district.
• 10:36
  And
• 10:36
  he
• 10:37
  doesn't,
• 10:37
  he
• 10:37
  doesn't
• 10:38
  want
• 10:38
  to
• 10:39
  be
• 10:39
  the
• 10:39
  guy
• 10:39
  that's
• 10:39
  going
• 10:40
  to
• 10:40
  take
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  there.
• 10:40
  And
• 10:41
  that's
• 10:41
  just
• 10:41
  not
• 10:42
  part
• 10:42
  of
• 10:42
  what
• 10:42
  his,
• 10:43
  of
• 10:43
  his
• 10:43
  program.
• 10:44
  And,
• 10:44
  you
• 10:45
  know,
• 10:45
  after
• 10:45
  three
• 10:45
  hours
• 10:46
  of
• 10:46
  this,
• 10:46
  like,
• 10:47
  you
• 10:47
  know,
• 10:47
  pulling
• 10:47
  back
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  curtain,
• 10:48
  so
• 10:48
  to
• 10:49
  speak,
• 10:49
  I
• 10:49
  just
• 10:50
  felt
• 10:51
  so
• 10:51
  kind
• 10:51
  of
• 10:51
  raw
• 10:52
  and
• 10:53
  fully
• 10:53
  informed
• 10:54
  in
• 10:54
  a
• 10:54
  way
• 10:54
  that
• 10:55
  I
• 10:55
  don't
• 10:55
  think
• 10:56
  I
• 10:56
  could
• 10:56
  have
• 10:56
  been
• 10:56
  by
• 10:57
  reading
• 10:57
  the
• 10:57
  guidebook
• 10:58
  or
• 10:58
  by,
• 10:58
  you
• 10:59
  know,
• 10:59
  just
• 10:59
  sort
• 11:00
  of
• 11:00
  trying
• 11:00
  to
• 11:01
  find
• 11:01
  my
• 11:01
  own
• 11:01
  way
• 11:01
  through
• 11:01
  the
• 11:02
  city.
• 11:02
  I,
• 11:02
  you
• 11:03
  know,
• 11:03
  I
• 11:03
  was
• 11:03
  dumbstruck.
• 11:05
  And
• 11:05
  interestingly,
• 11:06
  this
• 11:07
  isn't
• 11:07
  just
• 11:08
  in
• 11:08
  Athens.
• 11:09
  I
• 11:09
  mean,
• 11:09
  you
• 11:10
  opened
• 11:10
  up
• 11:10
  the
• 11:11
  article
• 11:11
  to
• 11:11
  show
• 11:12
  that
• 11:12
  these
• 11:13
  types
• 11:13
  of
• 11:13
  tours
• 11:14
  are
• 11:14
  being
• 11:14
  done
• 11:14
  elsewhere,
• 11:15
  right?
• 11:16
  That's
• 11:16
  correct.
• 11:16
  Yeah.
• 11:17
  So
• 11:17
  Isaac,
• 11:18
  the
• 11:18
  tour
• 11:19
  guide
• 11:19
  in
• 11:19
  Athens,
• 11:20
  is
• 11:21
  an
• 11:21
  entrepreneur,
• 11:22
  and
• 11:22
  he
• 11:23
  is
• 11:24
  expanding
• 11:25
  this
• 11:25
  concept
• 11:26
  and
• 11:26
  his
• 11:26
  company
• 11:27
  to
• 11:27
  different
• 11:28
  cities
• 11:28
  around
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  world.
• 11:29
  I
• 11:30
  think
• 11:30
  nine
• 11:30
  different
• 11:31
  cities,
• 11:31
  including
• 11:32
  Mexico
• 11:32
  City
• 11:33
  and
• 11:33
  Manila
• 11:34
  and
• 11:35
  Sri
• 11:35
  Lanka.
• 11:36
  I
• 11:36
  want
• 11:36
  to.
• 11:37
  I
• 11:37
  think
• 11:37
  Rio
• 11:38
  was
• 11:38
  one
• 11:38
  of
• 11:38
  them.
• 11:39
  Rio
• 11:39
  is
• 11:39
  another
• 11:39
  one.
• 11:39
  Yeah.
• 11:40
  Yeah.
• 11:40
  I
• 11:40
  don't.
• 11:40
  I
• 11:41
  don't
• 11:41
  remember
• 11:41
  all
• 11:42
  of
• 11:42
  them,
• 11:42
  but
• 11:43
  he's
• 11:43
  intentionally
• 11:43
  choosing
• 11:45
  cities
• 11:45
  that
• 11:45
  are
• 11:46
  kind
• 11:46
  of
• 11:46
  politically
• 11:47
  fraught
• 11:48
  right
• 11:48
  now,
• 11:48
  where
• 11:49
  I
• 11:49
  think
• 11:49
  one
• 11:49
  could
• 11:50
  travel
• 11:50
  to
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  have
• 11:51
  a
• 11:51
  perfectly
• 11:51
  blissful
• 11:52
  beach
• 11:52
  vacation.
• 11:53
  Or
• 11:53
  if
• 11:53
  it
• 11:54
  is
• 11:54
  more
• 11:54
  your
• 11:54
  want
• 11:55
  to
• 11:56
  find
• 11:56
  out
• 11:56
  a
• 11:56
  little
• 11:56
  bit
• 11:57
  more
• 11:57
  about
• 11:57
  the
• 11:58
  way
• 11:58
  people
• 11:58
  there
• 11:58
  are
• 11:58
  living
• 11:59
  and
• 11:59
  the
• 11:59
  struggles
• 12:00
  that
• 12:00
  they're
• 12:00
  going
• 12:00
  through,
• 12:00
  you
• 12:00
  could
• 12:01
  opt
• 12:01
  for
• 12:02
  one
• 12:02
  of
• 12:02
  these
• 12:02
  social
• 12:03
  and
• 12:03
  political
• 12:03
  tours.
• 12:04
  Right.
• 12:05
  And
• 12:05
  so
• 12:05
  Yeah,
• 12:05
  I
• 12:06
  ended
• 12:06
  up
• 12:06
  speaking
• 12:06
  with
• 12:06
  his
• 12:07
  counterpart
• 12:07
  or
• 12:08
  guy
• 12:08
  that
• 12:08
  he
• 12:08
  works
• 12:09
  with
• 12:09
  in
• 12:09
  Mexico
• 12:09
  City,
• 12:10
  who
• 12:11
  is
• 12:11
  a
• 12:11
  federally
• 12:12
  credentialed
• 12:13
  tour
• 12:13
  guide
• 12:13
  and
• 12:14
  have
• 12:14
  been
• 12:14
  doing
• 12:14
  that
• 12:15
  work
• 12:15
  for
• 12:15
  a
• 12:15
  few
• 12:15
  years.
• 12:16
  And
• 12:16
  he
• 12:16
  said
• 12:17
  when
• 12:17
  he
• 12:17
  saw
• 12:17
  Isaac's
• 12:18
  post,
• 12:18
  like,
• 12:19
  basically
• 12:19
  a
• 12:19
  want
• 12:20
  ad
• 12:20
  on
• 12:20
  LinkedIn
• 12:21
  for
• 12:21
  a
• 12:21
  tour
• 12:21
  guide
• 12:21
  who
• 12:22
  was
• 12:22
  interested
• 12:22
  in
• 12:23
  political
• 12:23
  science,
• 12:24
  interested
• 12:25
  in
• 12:25
  activism
• 12:26
  and
• 12:27
  community
• 12:27
  building
• 12:28
  and,
• 12:28
  you
• 12:28
  know,
• 12:29
  the
• 12:29
  problems
• 12:30
  behind
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  city
• 12:30
  that
• 12:31
  they
• 12:31
  live
• 12:31
  in.
• 12:31
  He
• 12:32
  said
• 12:32
  it
• 12:32
  never
• 12:32
  even
• 12:32
  occurred
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  him
• 12:33
  that
• 12:33
  such
• 12:33
  a
• 12:34
  tour
• 12:35
  could
• 12:35
  exist.
• 12:35
  That,
• 12:36
  you
• 12:36
  know,
• 12:36
  from
• 12:36
  the
• 12:36
  sort
• 12:37
  of
• 12:37
  experience
• 12:37
  that
• 12:37
  he
• 12:38
  had
• 12:38
  and
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  training
• 12:38
  that
• 12:39
  he
• 12:39
  had
• 12:40
  from
• 12:40
  the
• 12:41
  Federal
• 12:41
  Accreditation
• 12:42
  Bureau,
• 12:43
  you
• 12:43
  know,
• 12:43
  they're
• 12:44
  rather
• 12:44
  strict
• 12:45
  about
• 12:45
  the
• 12:45
  information
• 12:46
  that
• 12:46
  they
• 12:46
  are
• 12:46
  hoping
• 12:47
  their
• 12:47
  guides
• 12:47
  will
• 12:48
  impart.
• 12:49
  And
• 12:49
  so,
• 12:49
  of
• 12:49
  course,
• 12:50
  there's
• 12:50
  nothing
• 12:50
  about
• 12:51
  the,
• 12:51
  you
• 12:52
  know,
• 12:52
  political
• 12:52
  corruption
• 12:53
  in
• 12:53
  Mexico
• 12:53
  City,
• 12:54
  the
• 12:54
  history
• 12:54
  of
• 12:55
  activism
• 12:55
  in
• 12:56
  Mexico
• 12:56
  City.
• 12:57
  And
• 12:57
  those
• 12:58
  are
• 12:58
  things
• 12:58
  that
• 12:58
  Gustavo,
• 12:59
  that
• 12:59
  guide,
• 13:00
  is
• 13:00
  very
• 13:01
  personally
• 13:01
  interested
• 13:01
  in.
• 13:02
  And
• 13:02
  so
• 13:03
  the
• 13:03
  idea
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  being
• 13:03
  able
• 13:04
  to
• 13:04
  bring
• 13:04
  those
• 13:04
  personal
• 13:05
  interests
• 13:05
  and
• 13:05
  these
• 13:05
  sort
• 13:06
  of
• 13:06
  more
• 13:06
  charged
• 13:07
  stories
• 13:08
  into
• 13:08
  the
• 13:08
  guide
• 13:08
  work
• 13:09
  that
• 13:09
  he
• 13:09
  does
• 13:09
  was,
• 13:10
  you
• 13:11
  know,
• 13:11
  I
• 13:11
  mean,
• 13:11
  he
• 13:11
  was
• 13:12
  immediately
• 13:12
  turned
• 13:12
  on
• 13:13
  by
• 13:13
  that
• 13:13
  idea.
• 13:13
  And
• 13:14
  so
• 13:14
  he's
• 13:14
  now
• 13:15
  doing
• 13:15
  these
• 13:16
  similar
• 13:16
  tours
• 13:17
  in
• 13:17
  Mexico
• 13:18
  City.
• 13:18
  And
• 13:18
  again,
• 13:18
  there's
• 13:19
  those
• 13:19
  other
• 13:19
  cities
• 13:20
  that
• 13:20
  we
• 13:20
  mentioned
• 13:21
  and
• 13:21
  others.
• 13:22
  If
• 13:22
  you
• 13:22
  visit
• 13:22
  the
• 13:22
  Planet
• 13:23
  Walk
• 13:23
  website,
• 13:23
  you
• 13:24
  can
• 13:24
  see
• 13:24
  the
• 13:24
  full
• 13:24
  sort
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  rundown
• 13:25
  of
• 13:25
  where
• 13:26
  they
• 13:26
  operate.
• 13:26
  So
• 13:27
  it's
• 13:27
  called
• 13:27
  Planet
• 13:28
  Walk.
• 13:29
  Planet
• 13:29
  Wonk,
• 13:30
  as
• 13:30
  in
• 13:30
  wonky.
• 13:31
  Yeah,
• 13:31
  it's
• 13:32
  wonky.
• 13:32
  Planet
• 13:33
  Wonk.
• 13:34
  Okay,
• 13:34
  that's
• 13:34
  good.
• 13:34
  And,
• 13:35
  you
• 13:35
  know,
• 13:35
  it
• 13:36
  is
• 13:36
  interesting
• 13:36
  because
• 13:37
  Mexico
• 13:38
  City
• 13:38
  is
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  place
• 13:39
  where
• 13:39
  it's
• 13:40
  being
• 13:40
  inundated
• 13:41
  by
• 13:41
  tourists
• 13:42
  right
• 13:42
  now.
• 13:42
  It's
• 13:42
  gotten
• 13:43
  very,
• 13:43
  very
• 13:43
  popular,
• 13:44
  as
• 13:44
  have
• 13:45
  many
• 13:45
  of
• 13:45
  the
• 13:45
  others
• 13:46
  on
• 13:46
  the
• 13:46
  list.
• 13:47
  And
• 13:47
  people
• 13:47
  only
• 13:48
  go
• 13:48
  to
• 13:48
  the
• 13:49
  same
• 13:49
  places
• 13:50
  on
• 13:50
  this
• 13:50
  narrow
• 13:51
  tourist
• 13:52
  track.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:53
  that
• 13:53
  may
• 13:54
  be
• 13:54
  why
• 13:54
  in
• 13:54
  Athens,
• 13:55
  you
• 13:55
  have
• 13:55
  the
• 13:56
  tourists
• 13:56
  go
• 13:56
  home,
• 13:57
  you
• 13:57
  know,
• 13:57
  notes.
• 13:58
  They're
• 13:58
  not
• 13:58
  spending
• 13:59
  money
• 14:00
  at
• 14:00
  the
• 14:00
  local
• 14:00
  mom
• 14:01
  and
• 14:01
  pop
• 14:01
  places.
• 14:02
  They're
• 14:02
  not
• 14:02
  adding
• 14:03
  to
• 14:03
  the
• 14:04
  life
• 14:04
  of
• 14:04
  Athens.
• 14:05
  They're
• 14:05
  detracting
• 14:06
  from
• 14:06
  it
• 14:06
  by
• 14:06
  wearing
• 14:07
  this
• 14:08
  groove
• 14:08
  in
• 14:09
  one
• 14:09
  part
• 14:09
  of
• 14:10
  the
• 14:10
  city.
• 14:10
  And
• 14:11
  so
• 14:11
  that's
• 14:11
  something
• 14:12
  else
• 14:12
  these
• 14:12
  tours,
• 14:13
  I
• 14:13
  would
• 14:13
  think
• 14:13
  are
• 14:13
  doing,
• 14:13
  right?
• 14:14
  I.
• 14:15
  I
• 14:15
  think
• 14:15
  absolutely,
• 14:16
  yes.
• 14:16
  And
• 14:16
  I
• 14:17
  do
• 14:17
  think
• 14:17
  that
• 14:17
  that
• 14:17
  is,
• 14:18
  you
• 14:19
  know,
• 14:19
  one
• 14:19
  among
• 14:20
  many
• 14:21
  potential
• 14:22
  antidotes
• 14:23
  for
• 14:23
  over
• 14:23
  tourism
• 14:24
  is.
• 14:24
  Is
• 14:25
  spreading
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  load,
• 14:26
  right?
• 14:27
  Like,
• 14:27
  sort
• 14:27
  of
• 14:27
  distributing
• 14:28
  the
• 14:28
  visitors
• 14:29
  to
• 14:29
  these
• 14:29
  cities
• 14:30
  over
• 14:30
  a
• 14:30
  broader
• 14:31
  area
• 14:32
  because
• 14:32
  you're,
• 14:32
  I
• 14:32
  mean,
• 14:32
  like,
• 14:33
  wearing
• 14:33
  a
• 14:33
  groove.
• 14:33
  That's
• 14:34
  a
• 14:34
  perfect
• 14:34
  analogy
• 14:35
  because
• 14:35
  you
• 14:35
  see
• 14:36
  people
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  have
• 14:36
  a
• 14:37
  TikTok
• 14:37
  checklist
• 14:38
  or
• 14:38
  whatever
• 14:38
  it
• 14:38
  is
• 14:38
  of
• 14:39
  the
• 14:39
  sites
• 14:39
  that
• 14:39
  they're
• 14:39
  supposed
• 14:40
  to
• 14:40
  see,
• 14:40
  the
• 14:41
  foods
• 14:41
  that
• 14:41
  they're
• 14:41
  supposed
• 14:42
  to
• 14:42
  eat,
• 14:42
  and
• 14:42
  there's
• 14:42
  going
• 14:42
  to
• 14:42
  be
• 14:42
  a
• 14:43
  line
• 14:43
  at
• 14:43
  every
• 14:43
  one
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  those
• 14:44
  sites,
• 14:44
  everywhere
• 14:45
  you
• 14:45
  go.
• 14:46
  And
• 14:47
  if.
• 14:47
  And
• 14:48
  so
• 14:48
  of
• 14:48
  course,
• 14:48
  that
• 14:48
  creates
• 14:49
  a
• 14:49
  burden,
• 14:49
  and
• 14:50
  it
• 14:50
  does.
• 14:50
  While
• 14:51
  it
• 14:51
  burdens
• 14:51
  those
• 14:51
  businesses,
• 14:52
  it
• 14:52
  also
• 14:53
  takes
• 14:53
  business
• 14:53
  away
• 14:54
  from
• 14:54
  others,
• 14:54
  like
• 14:54
  you're
• 14:55
  saying.
• 14:55
  And
• 14:55
  if,
• 14:55
  you
• 14:56
  know,
• 14:56
  we
• 14:56
  were
• 14:57
  more
• 14:57
  intentional
• 14:58
  in
• 14:58
  our
• 14:58
  travels
• 14:59
  or
• 14:59
  in
• 14:59
  our
• 15:00
  guiding
• 15:01
  around
• 15:02
  sending
• 15:03
  people
• 15:03
  to
• 15:03
  less
• 15:04
  traveled
• 15:04
  places,
• 15:05
  then
• 15:06
  I
• 15:06
  think
• 15:06
  we
• 15:06
  would
• 15:06
  start
• 15:07
  alleviating
• 15:07
  some
• 15:07
  of
• 15:07
  that
• 15:08
  over
• 15:08
  tourism
• 15:08
  burden.
• 15:09
  Yeah,
• 15:10
  definitely.
• 15:10
  Definitely.
• 15:11
  Well,
• 15:11
  it's
• 15:12
  a
• 15:12
  fascinating
• 15:12
  article.
• 15:13
  It's
• 15:13
  been
• 15:14
  great
• 15:14
  speaking
• 15:14
  with
• 15:15
  you.
• 15:15
  Thank
• 15:15
  you
• 15:16
  so
• 15:16
  much
• 15:16
  for
• 15:16
  appearing
• 15:17
  on
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  Fromer
• 15:17
  Travel
• 15:18
  show.
• 15:19
  It's
• 15:19
  been
• 15:19
  my
• 15:19
  pleasure.
• 15:34
  If
• 15:34
  you
• 15:34
  listen
• 15:35
  to
• 15:35
  this
• 15:35
  podcast,
• 15:35
  you
• 15:36
  know
• 15:36
  that
• 15:36
  one
• 15:36
  of
• 15:37
  my
• 15:37
  favorite
• 15:37
  countries
• 15:38
  is
• 15:38
  Japan.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:40
  so
• 15:40
  even
• 15:40
  though
• 15:41
  we
• 15:41
  discussed
• 15:42
  Japan
• 15:43
  a
• 15:43
  couple
• 15:43
  of
• 15:43
  weeks
• 15:44
  back,
• 15:45
  I
• 15:45
  read
• 15:46
  the
• 15:47
  most
• 15:48
  enlightening,
• 15:50
  delightful
• 15:51
  book
• 15:51
  and
• 15:52
  I
• 15:52
  had
• 15:52
  to
• 15:52
  discuss
• 15:53
  Japan
• 15:53
  again.
• 15:54
  The
• 15:54
  book
• 15:55
  is
• 15:55
  called
• 15:55
  8
• 15:56
  Million
• 15:57
  Ways
• 15:57
  to
• 15:58
  Wisdom
• 15:59
  for
• 15:59
  Inspiration
• 16:00
  and
• 16:00
  Healing
• 16:01
  from
• 16:01
  the
• 16:01
  Heart
• 16:02
  of
• 16:02
  Japan.
• 16:03
  I
• 16:03
  have
• 16:04
  the
• 16:04
  author
• 16:05
  on
• 16:05
  the
• 16:05
  line.
• 16:05
  She
• 16:06
  is
• 16:06
  Hiroko
• 16:07
  Yoda.
• 16:07
  Hey,
• 16:07
  Hiroko.
• 16:08
  Thank
• 16:08
  you
• 16:09
  so
• 16:09
  much
• 16:09
  for
• 16:09
  A
• 16:09
  writing
• 16:10
  this
• 16:10
  book
• 16:11
  and
• 16:11
  B
• 16:11
  agreeing
• 16:12
  to
• 16:12
  speak
• 16:12
  with
• 16:13
  me.
• 16:13
  Thank
• 16:14
  you
• 16:14
  so
• 16:14
  much.
• 16:15
  Thank
• 16:16
  you
• 16:16
  for
• 16:16
  inviting
• 16:17
  me.
• 16:17
  And
• 16:18
  then
• 16:18
  also
• 16:18
  thank
• 16:18
  you
• 16:19
  so
• 16:19
  much
• 16:20
  that,
• 16:20
  you
• 16:20
  know,
• 16:21
  you
• 16:21
  read
• 16:21
  my
• 16:21
  book.
• 16:22
  Oh,
• 16:22
  absolutely.
• 16:23
  And
• 16:23
  you
• 16:24
  know,
• 16:24
  I
• 16:24
  know
• 16:24
  that
• 16:25
  the
• 16:25
  book
• 16:25
  is
• 16:25
  meant
• 16:26
  to
• 16:26
  be
• 16:27
  almost
• 16:27
  like
• 16:27
  a
• 16:27
  book
• 16:28
  of
• 16:28
  philosophy,
• 16:28
  although
• 16:29
  you
• 16:29
  do
• 16:29
  weave
• 16:30
  it
• 16:30
  with
• 16:30
  your
• 16:31
  own
• 16:31
  personal
• 16:32
  story
• 16:32
  which
• 16:32
  brings
• 16:33
  it
• 16:33
  to
• 16:33
  life.
• 16:34
  But
• 16:34
  I
• 16:34
  thought
• 16:35
  this
• 16:35
  book
• 16:35
  would
• 16:35
  be
• 16:36
  very
• 16:36
  helpful
• 16:37
  for
• 16:37
  people
• 16:37
  who
• 16:37
  are
• 16:38
  going
• 16:38
  to
• 16:38
  Japan
• 16:39
  and
• 16:39
  want
• 16:39
  to
• 16:40
  just
• 16:40
  better
• 16:40
  understand
• 16:41
  the
• 16:42
  what
• 16:42
  they
• 16:42
  see
• 16:43
  when
• 16:43
  they're
• 16:43
  there,
• 16:44
  the
• 16:44
  culture
• 16:45
  and
• 16:45
  the
• 16:45
  philosophy
• 16:46
  of
• 16:46
  the
• 16:46
  people
• 16:47
  who
• 16:47
  live
• 16:47
  there.
• 16:48
  It
• 16:49
  wasn't
• 16:49
  meant
• 16:49
  as
• 16:49
  a
• 16:49
  guidebook,
• 16:50
  but
• 16:50
  I
• 16:50
  think
• 16:51
  it
• 16:51
  could
• 16:51
  work.
• 16:52
  Yeah.
• 16:53
  Yes.
• 16:53
  Yeah.
• 16:54
  My
• 16:54
  book,
• 16:54
  I
• 16:54
  think
• 16:55
  it
• 16:55
  has
• 16:55
  so
• 16:55
  many
• 16:56
  aspects.
• 16:57
  It
• 16:57
  could
• 16:57
  be,
• 16:57
  as
• 16:58
  you
• 16:58
  said,
• 16:58
  it
• 16:58
  could
• 16:58
  be
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  guidebook.
• 16:59
  It
• 17:00
  could
• 17:00
  be
• 17:00
  educational
• 17:01
  book
• 17:01
  to
• 17:02
  learn
• 17:02
  about
• 17:02
  my
• 17:03
  culture,
• 17:03
  Japanese
• 17:04
  culture
• 17:05
  and
• 17:05
  tradition.
• 17:06
  And
• 17:06
  also
• 17:07
  my
• 17:07
  book
• 17:08
  is.
• 17:08
  It's
• 17:08
  about
• 17:08
  my
• 17:09
  personal
• 17:09
  journey
• 17:11
  to
• 17:11
  re
• 17:11
  engage
• 17:12
  with
• 17:12
  my
• 17:12
  spiritual
• 17:13
  traditions
• 17:14
  after
• 17:14
  my
• 17:14
  mother
• 17:15
  passing.
• 17:16
  So
• 17:17
  it
• 17:17
  is
• 17:18
  also
• 17:18
  like
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  healing
• 17:19
  journey
• 17:20
  myself.
• 17:22
  And
• 17:22
  also
• 17:23
  through
• 17:23
  my
• 17:23
  journey,
• 17:24
  I
• 17:24
  learned
• 17:25
  that
• 17:26
  even
• 17:26
  though
• 17:27
  I
• 17:28
  re
• 17:28
  experienced
• 17:29
  the
• 17:30
  Japanese
• 17:30
  spiritual
• 17:31
  traditions,
• 17:32
  I
• 17:32
  learned
• 17:32
  that
• 17:33
  there
• 17:33
  actually
• 17:34
  are
• 17:34
  so
• 17:34
  many
• 17:35
  things
• 17:36
  that
• 17:36
  are
• 17:36
  not
• 17:37
  just
• 17:37
  relevant
• 17:38
  to
• 17:38
  Japanese
• 17:39
  people.
• 17:39
  Sure.
• 17:40
  But
• 17:40
  also
• 17:41
  relevant
• 17:42
  to
• 17:42
  anybody
• 17:43
  with
• 17:44
  any
• 17:44
  background.
• 17:45
  And
• 17:46
  that
• 17:46
  is
• 17:47
  precisely
• 17:47
  why,
• 17:48
  even
• 17:48
  though
• 17:49
  the
• 17:49
  English
• 17:49
  is
• 17:49
  my
• 17:50
  four
• 17:51
  language,
• 17:52
  I
• 17:52
  wrote
• 17:53
  it
• 17:53
  in
• 17:53
  English
• 17:54
  and
• 17:54
  I
• 17:54
  published
• 17:55
  a
• 17:55
  book
• 17:55
  in
• 17:55
  America,
• 17:56
  the
• 17:56
  Tiny
• 17:57
  Reparation
• 17:57
  Books.
• 17:58
  I
• 17:59
  don't
• 17:59
  think
• 17:59
  anybody
• 17:59
  reading
• 18:00
  this
• 18:00
  would
• 18:01
  not
• 18:01
  know
• 18:01
  that
• 18:01
  English
• 18:02
  wasn't
• 18:02
  your
• 18:02
  first
• 18:03
  language.
• 18:03
  I
• 18:03
  mean,
• 18:04
  it
• 18:04
  reads
• 18:04
  incredibly
• 18:05
  fluently.
• 18:06
  You
• 18:06
  laugh.
• 18:08
  Thank
• 18:08
  you,
• 18:09
  thank
• 18:09
  you,
• 18:10
  thank
• 18:10
  you.
• 18:11
  So
• 18:11
  let's
• 18:12
  start
• 18:12
  with
• 18:12
  the
• 18:12
  title.
• 18:13
  Why
• 18:14
  is
• 18:14
  it
• 18:14
  8
• 18:15
  million
• 18:15
  ways
• 18:16
  to
• 18:16
  Happiness?
• 18:17
  That's
• 18:17
  a
• 18:17
  very
• 18:17
  specific
• 18:18
  number.
• 18:19
  Yes.
• 18:19
  Well,
• 18:20
  there's
• 18:21
  a
• 18:21
  concept
• 18:22
  called
• 18:23
  yaoyorozu
• 18:24
  no
• 18:24
  kami,
• 18:25
  and
• 18:25
  kami
• 18:27
  means
• 18:27
  spiritual
• 18:28
  beings
• 18:28
  in
• 18:29
  English.
• 18:30
  So
• 18:30
  yaoyorozu
• 18:31
  no
• 18:31
  kami
• 18:32
  means
• 18:32
  8
• 18:33
  million
• 18:34
  spiritual
• 18:35
  beings.
• 18:37
  And
• 18:37
  the
• 18:38
  8
• 18:38
  million
• 18:38
  here,
• 18:39
  it's
• 18:40
  not
• 18:40
  exact
• 18:40
  number.
• 18:41
  It
• 18:41
  simply
• 18:42
  means
• 18:42
  many
• 18:43
  or
• 18:45
  infinite.
• 18:46
  Infinite
• 18:46
  number.
• 18:47
  In
• 18:47
  times
• 18:48
  of
• 18:48
  old,
• 18:49
  the
• 18:49
  Japanese
• 18:50
  people
• 18:50
  thought
• 18:51
  that
• 18:52
  everything
• 18:53
  surrounding
• 18:54
  them
• 18:54
  has
• 18:55
  spirits.
• 18:56
  The
• 18:56
  sun,
• 18:57
  the
• 18:57
  moon,
• 18:58
  clouds,
• 18:59
  river,
• 19:00
  ocean.
• 19:00
  I
• 19:00
  mean
• 19:01
  everything.
• 19:02
  But
• 19:03
  also
• 19:03
  there
• 19:04
  are
• 19:04
  coming
• 19:05
  of
• 19:05
  plague,
• 19:06
  coming
• 19:07
  of
• 19:07
  poverty,
• 19:08
  there
• 19:09
  is
• 19:09
  kami
• 19:09
  of
• 19:10
  even
• 19:10
  toothache.
• 19:11
  So
• 19:12
  that
• 19:12
  doesn't
• 19:12
  mean
• 19:13
  that
• 19:13
  they
• 19:13
  venerated
• 19:14
  those
• 19:15
  bad,
• 19:15
  bad
• 19:15
  things,
• 19:16
  but
• 19:17
  they,
• 19:17
  they
• 19:18
  recognize
• 19:19
  they
• 19:19
  exist.
• 19:20
  No
• 19:20
  matter
• 19:20
  how
• 19:21
  much
• 19:21
  they,
• 19:21
  you
• 19:22
  know,
• 19:22
  they
• 19:22
  wish
• 19:23
  they
• 19:23
  did,
• 19:23
  you
• 19:23
  know,
• 19:23
  those
• 19:24
  bad
• 19:24
  things
• 19:24
  don't
• 19:25
  exist.
• 19:25
  They
• 19:26
  are
• 19:26
  there.
• 19:26
  All
• 19:27
  the
• 19:27
  kami,
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  spiritual
• 19:28
  beings
• 19:29
  are
• 19:29
  equal
• 19:30
  in
• 19:30
  existence.
• 19:31
  It
• 19:31
  reminds
• 19:32
  us,
• 19:32
  you
• 19:32
  know,
• 19:33
  even
• 19:33
  though
• 19:33
  you
• 19:33
  feel
• 19:34
  bad
• 19:34
  or
• 19:35
  good,
• 19:36
  it's
• 19:36
  there
• 19:36
  so
• 19:37
  we
• 19:37
  can
• 19:37
  deal
• 19:37
  with
• 19:37
  it.
• 19:39
  That
• 19:40
  idea
• 19:40
  is
• 19:41
  still
• 19:41
  pretty
• 19:41
  much
• 19:41
  active
• 19:42
  today.
• 19:43
  So
• 19:44
  the
• 19:44
  reasons
• 19:45
  on
• 19:45
  why
• 19:46
  so
• 19:46
  I
• 19:47
  called
• 19:48
  it
• 19:48
  8
• 19:48
  million
• 19:48
  ways
• 19:49
  to
• 19:49
  Happiness
• 19:50
  is
• 19:50
  because,
• 19:51
  you
• 19:51
  know,
• 19:51
  if.
• 19:52
  If
• 19:52
  there
• 19:52
  is
• 19:53
  an
• 19:53
  infinite
• 19:54
  number
• 19:54
  of
• 19:54
  spirits
• 19:55
  out
• 19:55
  there,
• 19:56
  there
• 19:56
  is
• 19:56
  an
• 19:57
  infinite
• 19:57
  number
• 19:58
  of
• 19:58
  ways
• 19:59
  to
• 19:59
  find
• 19:59
  the
• 20:00
  spiritual
• 20:00
  path
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  happiness.
• 20:02
  And
• 20:03
  through
• 20:03
  my
• 20:03
  journey,
• 20:04
  I
• 20:05
  found
• 20:06
  my
• 20:06
  own
• 20:06
  path.
• 20:07
  I
• 20:08
  built,
• 20:08
  I
• 20:08
  call
• 20:08
  it
• 20:09
  a
• 20:09
  spiritual
• 20:09
  toolbox.
• 20:11
  From
• 20:11
  what
• 20:11
  I
• 20:12
  learned,
• 20:13
  everyone
• 20:13
  has
• 20:13
  a
• 20:14
  different
• 20:14
  challenges.
• 20:15
  And
• 20:16
  then
• 20:16
  I
• 20:16
  believe
• 20:17
  that
• 20:18
  everybody
• 20:18
  can
• 20:18
  find
• 20:19
  their
• 20:19
  own
• 20:19
  way
• 20:20
  through
• 20:20
  them.
• 20:22
  And
• 20:22
  that's
• 20:22
  the
• 20:23
  idea.
• 20:23
  Huh?
• 20:24
  But
• 20:25
  let
• 20:25
  me
• 20:25
  say
• 20:25
  at
• 20:25
  this
• 20:26
  point,
• 20:27
  you
• 20:27
  didn't
• 20:28
  write
• 20:28
  this
• 20:29
  book
• 20:29
  to
• 20:29
  proselytize
• 20:31
  or
• 20:31
  to
• 20:31
  convert
• 20:32
  people
• 20:33
  to
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  Japanese
• 20:34
  way
• 20:34
  of
• 20:35
  looking
• 20:35
  at
• 20:35
  religion.
• 20:36
  In
• 20:37
  fact,
• 20:37
  you
• 20:37
  start
• 20:38
  with
• 20:38
  the
• 20:38
  fact
• 20:39
  that
• 20:39
  the
• 20:40
  Japanese
• 20:41
  don't
• 20:41
  consider
• 20:42
  themselves
• 20:42
  religious
• 20:43
  at
• 20:43
  all.
• 20:43
  And
• 20:44
  which
• 20:44
  came
• 20:44
  as
• 20:44
  a
• 20:45
  shock
• 20:45
  to
• 20:45
  me
• 20:46
  because
• 20:46
  when
• 20:46
  I've
• 20:47
  been
• 20:47
  in
• 20:47
  Japan,
• 20:48
  all
• 20:48
  you
• 20:49
  see
• 20:49
  are
• 20:49
  shrine
• 20:50
  after
• 20:50
  temple
• 20:51
  after
• 20:51
  shrine.
• 20:52
  And
• 20:53
  so
• 20:53
  I
• 20:54
  was
• 20:54
  there
• 20:54
  under
• 20:55
  the
• 20:55
  assumption
• 20:56
  that
• 20:56
  this
• 20:56
  was
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  deeply
• 20:57
  religious
• 20:58
  people.
• 20:58
  But
• 20:59
  maybe
• 20:59
  that
• 21:00
  assumption
• 21:00
  comes
• 21:01
  from
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  fact
• 21:01
  that
• 21:01
  I
• 21:02
  come
• 21:02
  from
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  West.
• 21:03
  So
• 21:03
  I
• 21:03
  see
• 21:04
  ties
• 21:05
  to
• 21:05
  religions
• 21:06
  very
• 21:07
  differently
• 21:08
  than
• 21:08
  the
• 21:08
  Japanese
• 21:09
  do.
• 21:09
  Can
• 21:10
  you
• 21:10
  talk
• 21:10
  a
• 21:10
  little
• 21:10
  bit
• 21:10
  about
• 21:11
  the
• 21:11
  Japanese
• 21:12
  relationship
• 21:13
  to
• 21:13
  the
• 21:14
  several
• 21:14
  religions
• 21:15
  that
• 21:15
  exist
• 21:16
  in
• 21:16
  Japan?
• 21:17
  Yes,
• 21:17
  Japanese
• 21:18
  spirituality
• 21:19
  coexist
• 21:21
  with
• 21:21
  the
• 21:21
  modern
• 21:22
  society
• 21:23
  in
• 21:23
  a
• 21:23
  different
• 21:23
  way
• 21:24
  from
• 21:24
  religion
• 21:25
  does
• 21:25
  in
• 21:25
  America.
• 21:27
  Spirituality
• 21:27
  to
• 21:28
  us
• 21:29
  are
• 21:29
  not
• 21:29
  a
• 21:30
  dogma.
• 21:31
  And
• 21:31
  from
• 21:31
  my
• 21:31
  experience
• 21:33
  in
• 21:33
  America,
• 21:34
  the
• 21:34
  faith
• 21:35
  is
• 21:35
  a
• 21:36
  big
• 21:36
  commitment.
• 21:37
  But
• 21:39
  for
• 21:39
  Japanese,
• 21:41
  we
• 21:41
  don't
• 21:41
  see
• 21:42
  that
• 21:42
  way.
• 21:43
  We
• 21:43
  actually
• 21:44
  freely
• 21:45
  switching
• 21:46
  from
• 21:47
  one
• 21:47
  tradition
• 21:48
  to
• 21:48
  the
• 21:49
  other
• 21:49
  without
• 21:50
  any
• 21:50
  commitment.
• 21:52
  So,
• 21:52
  yeah,
• 21:53
  it's
• 21:53
  interesting
• 21:54
  that
• 21:54
  you
• 21:54
  came
• 21:54
  to
• 21:55
  Japan
• 21:55
  and
• 21:56
  then
• 21:56
  they
• 21:56
  talk
• 21:56
  about
• 21:57
  tell
• 21:57
  to
• 21:57
  me
• 21:57
  that
• 21:57
  the
• 21:58
  shrines
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  temples.
• 21:59
  There
• 21:59
  are
• 22:00
  three
• 22:01
  times
• 22:01
  more
• 22:02
  temples
• 22:02
  and
• 22:02
  shrines
• 22:03
  than
• 22:04
  convenience
• 22:05
  store.
• 22:06
  Wow.
• 22:06
  And
• 22:07
  you
• 22:07
  know
• 22:07
  how
• 22:08
  uvicitous
• 22:09
  the
• 22:09
  convenience
• 22:09
  store
• 22:10
  are,
• 22:10
  so.
• 22:11
  Oh
• 22:11
  yeah.
• 22:11
  And
• 22:12
  in
• 22:12
  many
• 22:12
  of
• 22:12
  them,
• 22:12
  many
• 22:13
  of
• 22:13
  the
• 22:13
  temples
• 22:13
  and
• 22:14
  the
• 22:14
  shrines
• 22:14
  are
• 22:14
  open
• 22:15
  to.
• 22:15
  To
• 22:16
  public.
• 22:16
  Anyone
• 22:17
  can
• 22:17
  go
• 22:17
  in,
• 22:18
  visitors
• 22:19
  are
• 22:19
  left
• 22:19
  to
• 22:19
  themselves
• 22:20
  and
• 22:20
  so
• 22:21
  long
• 22:21
  as
• 22:21
  they.
• 22:22
  They
• 22:22
  act
• 22:22
  in
• 22:22
  respectful
• 22:23
  manner.
• 22:24
  So
• 22:24
  it's
• 22:24
  a
• 22:26
  dividing
• 22:26
  lines.
• 22:27
  Dividing
• 22:27
  line
• 22:27
  is
• 22:28
  spirituality.
• 22:29
  It's
• 22:29
  very
• 22:29
  blurred
• 22:30
  in
• 22:30
  Japan.
• 22:31
  Right.
• 22:32
  Because
• 22:32
  when
• 22:32
  Buddhism
• 22:33
  came
• 22:33
  in,
• 22:34
  that
• 22:35
  came
• 22:35
  in
• 22:35
  on
• 22:36
  top
• 22:36
  of
• 22:36
  Shintoism,
• 22:37
  which
• 22:38
  already
• 22:38
  existed
• 22:39
  in
• 22:40
  Japan,
• 22:40
  but
• 22:41
  one
• 22:41
  didn't
• 22:41
  wipe
• 22:42
  out
• 22:42
  the
• 22:42
  other.
• 22:43
  A
• 22:43
  lot
• 22:43
  of
• 22:43
  people
• 22:43
  consider
• 22:44
  themselves,
• 22:45
  you
• 22:46
  say
• 22:47
  Shinto
• 22:48
  at
• 22:48
  birth,
• 22:48
  Christian
• 22:49
  at
• 22:49
  marriage
• 22:50
  and
• 22:51
  Buddhist
• 22:52
  at
• 22:52
  death.
• 22:53
  We
• 22:54
  can
• 22:54
  go
• 22:54
  into
• 22:54
  that
• 22:54
  later.
• 22:55
  But
• 22:56
  it's
• 22:56
  a
• 22:56
  very
• 22:56
  distinct
• 22:57
  mindset.
• 22:58
  You
• 22:58
  can
• 22:58
  believe
• 22:59
  and
• 22:59
  not
• 23:00
  believe.
• 23:00
  Like
• 23:00
  you
• 23:01
  go
• 23:01
  into
• 23:01
  a
• 23:01
  whole
• 23:02
  chapter
• 23:02
  about
• 23:02
  how
• 23:03
  just
• 23:03
  for
• 23:03
  fun,
• 23:04
  often
• 23:04
  you
• 23:05
  will
• 23:05
  go
• 23:05
  and
• 23:05
  have
• 23:05
  your
• 23:05
  fortune
• 23:06
  told
• 23:07
  at
• 23:07
  a
• 23:07
  temple
• 23:08
  and
• 23:09
  yet
• 23:09
  you
• 23:09
  don't
• 23:10
  really
• 23:10
  believe
• 23:11
  that
• 23:11
  this
• 23:11
  is
• 23:11
  going
• 23:12
  to
• 23:12
  be
• 23:12
  definitive
• 23:13
  about
• 23:13
  what
• 23:13
  your
• 23:14
  future
• 23:14
  holds.
• 23:15
  So
• 23:16
  it's
• 23:16
  a
• 23:16
  kind
• 23:16
  of
• 23:16
  a
• 23:17
  looser
• 23:18
  or
• 23:19
  a
• 23:20
  more
• 23:20
  dancing,
• 23:20
  more
• 23:21
  graceful
• 23:22
  tie
• 23:23
  to
• 23:23
  traditions
• 23:24
  and
• 23:24
  religions.
• 23:25
  Is
• 23:25
  that
• 23:25
  fair
• 23:26
  to
• 23:26
  say?
• 23:26
  Yes.
• 23:27
  It's
• 23:27
  basically
• 23:28
  simply
• 23:28
  put
• 23:28
  and
• 23:29
  radically
• 23:29
  inclusive.
• 23:30
  It's
• 23:31
  interesting
• 23:31
  that
• 23:32
  you
• 23:32
  call
• 23:32
  it
• 23:33
  the
• 23:34
  Shintoism,
• 23:35
  the
• 23:35
  Shintoist.
• 23:36
  I'd
• 23:36
  like
• 23:36
  to
• 23:37
  talk
• 23:37
  about
• 23:37
  that.
• 23:38
  Oh,
• 23:38
  please.
• 23:38
  Yes.
• 23:40
  You
• 23:40
  know,
• 23:40
  I'm
• 23:40
  not
• 23:41
  sure
• 23:41
  all
• 23:41
  of
• 23:42
  our
• 23:42
  listeners,
• 23:43
  in
• 23:43
  fact,
• 23:44
  I'm
• 23:44
  not
• 23:44
  sure
• 23:44
  I
• 23:45
  understood
• 23:45
  what
• 23:46
  Shintoism
• 23:47
  was
• 23:47
  before
• 23:47
  reading
• 23:48
  your
• 23:48
  book.
• 23:49
  There's
• 23:50
  a
• 23:50
  reason
• 23:50
  why
• 23:51
  we
• 23:51
  call
• 23:52
  or
• 23:52
  it's
• 23:52
  called
• 23:53
  Shinto.
• 23:54
  It's
• 23:54
  in
• 23:55
  English,
• 23:55
  it's
• 23:56
  the
• 23:56
  way
• 23:57
  of
• 23:57
  kami.
• 23:58
  So
• 23:59
  it's
• 23:59
  the
• 24:00
  way.
• 24:00
  So
• 24:00
  that
• 24:00
  means
• 24:01
  it's
• 24:01
  lifestyle.
• 24:03
  So
• 24:03
  it's
• 24:03
  a
• 24:03
  worldview.
• 24:04
  So
• 24:05
  at
• 24:05
  the
• 24:05
  very
• 24:05
  beginning
• 24:06
  I
• 24:06
  explained
• 24:07
  the
• 24:07
  concept
• 24:08
  of
• 24:08
  yaoyorozu
• 24:09
  no
• 24:09
  kami.
• 24:10
  Eight
• 24:10
  million
• 24:11
  spiritual
• 24:11
  beings,
• 24:12
  that
• 24:13
  is,
• 24:13
  you
• 24:13
  know,
• 24:13
  that
• 24:14
  term
• 24:14
  is
• 24:14
  from
• 24:14
  Shinto,
• 24:15
  but
• 24:16
  it's
• 24:16
  actually
• 24:16
  much
• 24:17
  bigger
• 24:17
  than
• 24:17
  that.
• 24:18
  It's.
• 24:18
  It's
• 24:18
  our
• 24:18
  worldview
• 24:19
  and
• 24:20
  it's
• 24:20
  a
• 24:20
  foundation
• 24:21
  of
• 24:21
  the
• 24:22
  Japanese
• 24:22
  culture.
• 24:23
  So
• 24:23
  if
• 24:24
  people
• 24:24
  ask
• 24:25
  me
• 24:25
  if
• 24:26
  I
• 24:26
  am
• 24:26
  a
• 24:27
  Shintoist,
• 24:29
  I
• 24:30
  would
• 24:30
  say
• 24:30
  no,
• 24:31
  and
• 24:31
  instead
• 24:32
  I
• 24:32
  would
• 24:32
  say
• 24:33
  I'm
• 24:33
  Japanese.
• 24:35
  But.
• 24:36
  But
• 24:37
  having
• 24:37
  said
• 24:37
  that,
• 24:38
  I
• 24:39
  have
• 24:39
  to
• 24:39
  admit
• 24:40
  that
• 24:41
  a
• 24:41
  situation
• 24:41
  like
• 24:42
  this,
• 24:42
  that
• 24:43
  my
• 24:43
  answer,
• 24:44
  I'm
• 24:44
  Japanese,
• 24:45
  it's
• 24:46
  not
• 24:46
  enough.
• 24:46
  That's
• 24:47
  how
• 24:47
  I
• 24:47
  feel.
• 24:47
  It
• 24:47
  doesn't
• 24:48
  capture
• 24:49
  the
• 24:49
  Japanese
• 24:50
  spirituality,
• 24:50
  including
• 24:51
  Shinto,
• 24:52
  the
• 24:52
  way
• 24:53
  Okami
• 24:53
  can
• 24:54
  provide.
• 24:55
  Because
• 24:56
  it's
• 24:56
  a
• 24:56
  worldview.
• 24:58
  Yes.
• 24:59
  And
• 24:59
  you
• 25:00
  start
• 25:00
  out
• 25:00
  the
• 25:00
  book
• 25:01
  by
• 25:02
  talking
• 25:02
  very
• 25:02
  movingly
• 25:03
  about
• 25:03
  the
• 25:04
  death
• 25:04
  of
• 25:04
  your
• 25:04
  mother
• 25:05
  at
• 25:05
  a
• 25:05
  relatively.
• 25:06
  She
• 25:07
  died
• 25:07
  at
• 25:07
  a
• 25:07
  relatively
• 25:08
  young
• 25:08
  age
• 25:09
  and
• 25:10
  going
• 25:11
  out
• 25:12
  and
• 25:12
  taking
• 25:13
  walks
• 25:14
  and
• 25:15
  communing
• 25:15
  with
• 25:16
  the
• 25:17
  Kami
• 25:18
  was
• 25:18
  what
• 25:19
  helped
• 25:19
  you
• 25:20
  get
• 25:20
  through
• 25:21
  that
• 25:21
  very
• 25:22
  dark
• 25:22
  period.
• 25:23
  How
• 25:24
  specifically
• 25:25
  did
• 25:26
  that
• 25:26
  Shinto
• 25:27
  worldview
• 25:29
  help
• 25:29
  you?
• 25:30
  Okay,
• 25:31
  so
• 25:32
  the
• 25:33
  very
• 25:33
  beginning,
• 25:34
  or
• 25:34
  I
• 25:34
  didn't
• 25:34
  recognize
• 25:35
  even
• 25:36
  Shinto
• 25:36
  or
• 25:36
  Kami
• 25:37
  or
• 25:37
  anything
• 25:37
  like
• 25:37
  that.
• 25:38
  The
• 25:38
  very
• 25:38
  beginning,
• 25:39
  I
• 25:39
  was
• 25:39
  just
• 25:40
  dark
• 25:40
  period.
• 25:42
  So
• 25:43
  I
• 25:43
  started
• 25:44
  walking
• 25:45
  my
• 25:45
  neighborhood
• 25:45
  park
• 25:46
  and
• 25:47
  I
• 25:48
  couldn't
• 25:48
  do
• 25:48
  anything.
• 25:49
  I
• 25:49
  just
• 25:50
  walked
• 25:50
  down
• 25:51
  then
• 25:51
  and
• 25:52
  just
• 25:52
  came
• 25:52
  back
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  cried.
• 25:53
  And
• 25:53
  I
• 25:54
  just.
• 25:54
  Every
• 25:54
  day
• 25:55
  I
• 25:55
  did
• 25:55
  that.
• 25:56
  Gradually
• 25:57
  I
• 25:58
  started
• 25:58
  looking
• 25:59
  forward
• 26:00
  instead
• 26:01
  of
• 26:01
  looking
• 26:01
  down,
• 26:02
  and
• 26:03
  I
• 26:03
  started
• 26:03
  looking
• 26:04
  up.
• 26:06
  And
• 26:06
  then
• 26:06
  I.
• 26:07
  Because
• 26:07
  I
• 26:08
  was
• 26:08
  all
• 26:08
  by
• 26:08
  myself,
• 26:10
  I
• 26:10
  started
• 26:11
  paying
• 26:11
  attention.
• 26:13
  What's
• 26:13
  happening
• 26:14
  surrounding
• 26:15
  me.
• 26:16
  So,
• 26:16
  you
• 26:16
  know,
• 26:16
  there's
• 26:16
  an
• 26:16
  insect
• 26:17
  walking
• 26:17
  on
• 26:18
  the
• 26:18
  ground.
• 26:19
  It
• 26:19
  was
• 26:19
  autumn,
• 26:20
  so
• 26:20
  that,
• 26:21
  you
• 26:21
  know,
• 26:21
  every
• 26:21
  day
• 26:21
  the
• 26:22
  color
• 26:22
  changes
• 26:23
  from
• 26:23
  the
• 26:23
  trees
• 26:24
  and
• 26:25
  then
• 26:25
  some,
• 26:25
  you
• 26:26
  know,
• 26:26
  sometimes
• 26:26
  it's
• 26:27
  bright
• 26:27
  blue
• 26:27
  sky.
• 26:29
  And
• 26:29
  so
• 26:29
  I
• 26:30
  realized
• 26:30
  I
• 26:30
  was
• 26:30
  like,
• 26:31
  wow,
• 26:31
  I'm
• 26:31
  not
• 26:31
  alone.
• 26:32
  Actually,
• 26:32
  I
• 26:33
  belong
• 26:34
  to
• 26:35
  something
• 26:36
  big,
• 26:37
  Much,
• 26:38
  much
• 26:38
  bigger
• 26:38
  thing,
• 26:38
  which
• 26:39
  is
• 26:39
  nature.
• 26:40
  And
• 26:40
  the
• 26:40
  Kami
• 26:41
  are
• 26:42
  avatars.
• 26:42
  Kami
• 26:43
  belongs
• 26:44
  to
• 26:44
  nature
• 26:45
  and
• 26:45
  in
• 26:45
  the
• 26:45
  heart.
• 26:45
  And
• 26:46
  that
• 26:46
  realization
• 26:48
  was
• 26:48
  the
• 26:48
  beginning
• 26:49
  of
• 26:49
  my
• 26:49
  healing
• 26:50
  process,
• 26:51
  you
• 26:51
  know.
• 26:51
  And
• 26:51
  then
• 26:51
  I
• 26:52
  started
• 26:52
  re
• 26:52
  questioning
• 26:53
  myself,
• 26:54
  especially
• 26:54
  with
• 26:54
  the
• 26:55
  spiritual
• 26:56
  traditions,
• 26:57
  because
• 26:57
  shrines
• 26:58
  and
• 26:58
  temples
• 26:58
  are
• 26:58
  everywhere.
• 26:59
  I
• 26:59
  always
• 27:00
  go
• 27:00
  just
• 27:01
  to
• 27:01
  check
• 27:02
  them
• 27:02
  out
• 27:02
  and
• 27:03
  pray
• 27:03
  or
• 27:04
  be
• 27:04
  balanced
• 27:04
  myself
• 27:05
  or
• 27:07
  my
• 27:07
  parents
• 27:07
  death.
• 27:08
  Well,
• 27:08
  then
• 27:08
  I
• 27:08
  just
• 27:09
  go
• 27:09
  there
• 27:09
  and
• 27:09
  have
• 27:09
  a
• 27:09
  quiet
• 27:10
  time.
• 27:11
  But
• 27:11
  why
• 27:11
  am
• 27:12
  I
• 27:12
  doing
• 27:12
  this?
• 27:12
  Nobody
• 27:13
  taught
• 27:13
  me.
• 27:14
  And
• 27:15
  that
• 27:15
  was
• 27:15
  the
• 27:15
  beginning.
• 27:16
  And
• 27:17
  then
• 27:17
  I
• 27:17
  started
• 27:18
  defining,
• 27:19
  okay,
• 27:20
  what
• 27:20
  kami
• 27:21
  are,
• 27:22
  what
• 27:22
  are
• 27:22
  they?
• 27:23
  Or
• 27:23
  what
• 27:24
  Shinto
• 27:25
  mean
• 27:25
  to
• 27:26
  the
• 27:26
  vast
• 27:26
  majority
• 27:27
  of
• 27:27
  people.
• 27:28
  Or
• 27:28
  what's
• 27:28
  the
• 27:28
  Buddhism,
• 27:30
  what's
• 27:30
  the
• 27:30
  Shugendo?
• 27:31
  There
• 27:31
  are
• 27:32
  three
• 27:32
  major
• 27:33
  belief
• 27:33
  systems.
• 27:34
  Shinto,
• 27:35
  Buddhism
• 27:36
  and
• 27:37
  Shugendo.
• 27:38
  So
• 27:38
  let's
• 27:39
  say
• 27:39
  you're
• 27:39
  in
• 27:39
  Japan.
• 27:40
  What
• 27:41
  do
• 27:41
  people
• 27:42
  take
• 27:42
  away
• 27:43
  from
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  shrine
• 27:44
  or
• 27:44
  from
• 27:45
  a
• 27:45
  temple?
• 27:45
  What
• 27:45
  are
• 27:46
  the
• 27:46
  parts
• 27:46
  of
• 27:46
  it
• 27:47
  physically?
• 27:49
  So
• 27:49
  people
• 27:49
  who
• 27:50
  go
• 27:50
  to
• 27:50
  Japan
• 27:50
  can
• 27:51
  understand
• 27:52
  better
• 27:52
  what
• 27:53
  those
• 27:53
  spaces
• 27:53
  are
• 27:54
  supposed
• 27:54
  to
• 27:54
  mean.
• 27:55
  The
• 27:55
  most
• 27:56
  iconic
• 27:57
  figure
• 27:57
  construction
• 27:58
  is
• 27:59
  a
• 27:59
  gate,
• 28:00
  the
• 28:00
  Shinto
• 28:01
  Gate.
• 28:01
  We
• 28:01
  call
• 28:02
  it
• 28:02
  Torii.
• 28:03
  Tori
• 28:04
  Shinto
• 28:04
  Torii
• 28:05
  Gate.
• 28:06
  It
• 28:06
  has
• 28:06
  two
• 28:07
  pillars
• 28:07
  and
• 28:08
  two
• 28:08
  bars
• 28:09
  atop.
• 28:10
  There
• 28:11
  are,
• 28:11
  you
• 28:11
  know,
• 28:12
  there
• 28:12
  are
• 28:12
  minor
• 28:12
  variations,
• 28:14
  but
• 28:14
  in
• 28:14
  the
• 28:14
  shape,
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  know,
• 28:15
  like
• 28:15
  the
• 28:16
  Santori
• 28:17
  gate
• 28:18
  are
• 28:18
  bright
• 28:18
  red
• 28:19
  colors.
• 28:19
  Some
• 28:20
  Tori
• 28:20
  gates
• 28:21
  made
• 28:21
  of
• 28:22
  stone.
• 28:22
  But
• 28:23
  end
• 28:23
  of
• 28:23
  the.
• 28:23
  The
• 28:24
  shape
• 28:24
  is
• 28:24
  basically
• 28:25
  pretty
• 28:26
  much
• 28:26
  the
• 28:26
  same.
• 28:27
  So
• 28:27
  if
• 28:28
  you
• 28:28
  find
• 28:29
  Torii
• 28:30
  Gate
• 28:30
  and
• 28:31
  you
• 28:31
  are
• 28:31
  standing
• 28:32
  in
• 28:32
  front
• 28:32
  of
• 28:33
  the
• 28:33
  Shinto
• 28:34
  shrine,
• 28:34
  the
• 28:34
  Shinto
• 28:35
  shrine
• 28:35
  sacred
• 28:35
  area.
• 28:37
  But
• 28:37
  the
• 28:38
  thing
• 28:38
  is,
• 28:39
  like
• 28:39
  I
• 28:39
  said
• 28:40
  before,
• 28:41
  in
• 28:41
  my
• 28:42
  country,
• 28:42
  Japanese
• 28:42
  spirituality
• 28:43
  is
• 28:44
  the
• 28:44
  dividing
• 28:45
  lines
• 28:45
  are
• 28:45
  very
• 28:45
  blurred.
• 28:46
  So
• 28:47
  you
• 28:47
  often
• 28:48
  see
• 28:48
  find
• 28:49
  that
• 28:49
  Shinto
• 28:50
  shrine
• 28:51
  right
• 28:51
  next
• 28:51
  to
• 28:52
  Buddhist
• 28:52
  temple
• 28:53
  or
• 28:54
  Shinto
• 28:55
  shrine
• 28:56
  inside
• 28:57
  of
• 28:57
  the
• 28:58
  Buddhist
• 28:58
  Temple,
• 28:59
  the
• 28:59
  property
• 28:59
  of
• 28:59
  Buddhist
• 29:00
  temple.
• 29:01
  So
• 29:01
  in,
• 29:02
  you
• 29:02
  know,
• 29:02
  in
• 29:02
  Japan,
• 29:03
  the
• 29:03
  Shinto
• 29:04
  kami
• 29:04
  and
• 29:04
  then
• 29:05
  the
• 29:05
  Buddhist,
• 29:06
  the
• 29:06
  deities
• 29:07
  are
• 29:07
  resigned
• 29:08
  side
• 29:08
  by
• 29:08
  side,
• 29:09
  cool.
• 29:10
  At
• 29:10
  it
• 29:10
  peacefully.
• 29:11
  Right.
• 29:11
  And
• 29:11
  then
• 29:12
  there's
• 29:12
  something
• 29:12
  called
• 29:12
  Shugendo,
• 29:13
  which
• 29:14
  is
• 29:14
  a
• 29:14
  mountain
• 29:15
  religion.
• 29:16
  Is
• 29:16
  that
• 29:16
  a
• 29:16
  fair
• 29:17
  thing
• 29:17
  to
• 29:17
  say?
• 29:18
  Yes.
• 29:18
  Yeah.
• 29:19
  Yes.
• 29:19
  See,
• 29:20
  once
• 29:20
  again,
• 29:20
  it's
• 29:21
  very
• 29:21
  difficult
• 29:21
  for
• 29:22
  me
• 29:22
  to
• 29:22
  say
• 29:22
  religion.
• 29:23
  Buddhism
• 29:24
  is
• 29:24
  a
• 29:24
  religion.
• 29:25
  Shugendo.
• 29:26
  It's
• 29:27
  just
• 29:27
  like
• 29:27
  Shinto.
• 29:28
  It's
• 29:28
  the
• 29:28
  way.
• 29:29
  The
• 29:29
  way
• 29:30
  of
• 29:30
  literally
• 29:31
  means
• 29:31
  the
• 29:32
  way
• 29:32
  of
• 29:33
  gaining
• 29:34
  power.
• 29:34
  This
• 29:34
  sounds
• 29:35
  kind
• 29:35
  of
• 29:35
  a,
• 29:36
  you
• 29:36
  know,
• 29:36
  crazy,
• 29:37
  but
• 29:37
  basically
• 29:38
  way
• 29:38
  of
• 29:38
  gaining
• 29:39
  power.
• 29:39
  Power,
• 29:40
  yes.
• 29:40
  But
• 29:41
  the
• 29:41
  power
• 29:42
  to
• 29:43
  yourself,
• 29:43
  you
• 29:44
  know,
• 29:44
  to
• 29:44
  inner
• 29:45
  journey
• 29:45
  is
• 29:46
  more
• 29:46
  spiritual
• 29:47
  things.
• 29:48
  The
• 29:48
  Shigendo
• 29:50
  is
• 29:50
  a
• 29:50
  hybrid
• 29:51
  of
• 29:52
  Shinto
• 29:53
  Buddhism
• 29:54
  and
• 29:54
  other
• 29:56
  belief
• 29:57
  systems.
• 29:58
  And
• 29:58
  then
• 29:58
  centering
• 29:59
  on
• 30:00
  the
• 30:00
  mountains,
• 30:01
  venerating
• 30:02
  mountains.
• 30:03
  Shigendo
• 30:03
  gives,
• 30:04
  in
• 30:05
  my
• 30:05
  understanding.
• 30:06
  And
• 30:06
  that
• 30:06
  is,
• 30:07
  you
• 30:07
  know,
• 30:07
  that
• 30:07
  is
• 30:07
  my
• 30:07
  interpretation
• 30:08
  as
• 30:08
  a.
• 30:09
  As
• 30:09
  a.
• 30:09
  As
• 30:09
  a
• 30:09
  layperson.
• 30:11
  The
• 30:11
  Shigendo
• 30:12
  gives
• 30:13
  a
• 30:13
  perspective
• 30:14
  that
• 30:15
  there
• 30:15
  is
• 30:15
  a.
• 30:16
  There
• 30:16
  might
• 30:16
  be
• 30:16
  a
• 30:16
  spiritual
• 30:17
  realm
• 30:17
  out
• 30:18
  there,
• 30:18
  but
• 30:19
  that
• 30:19
  place,
• 30:20
  it
• 30:20
  might
• 30:20
  be
• 30:20
  closer
• 30:21
  than
• 30:21
  you
• 30:22
  think.
• 30:22
  And
• 30:23
  using
• 30:23
  mountains
• 30:24
  as
• 30:24
  a
• 30:24
  metaphor,
• 30:26
  and
• 30:26
  that's
• 30:26
  shugendo.
• 30:28
  So
• 30:28
  how
• 30:28
  will
• 30:29
  the
• 30:29
  visitor
• 30:30
  come
• 30:30
  into
• 30:31
  contact
• 30:31
  with
• 30:31
  shugendo?
• 30:32
  Or
• 30:32
  will
• 30:32
  they.
• 30:33
  Or
• 30:33
  does
• 30:34
  it
• 30:34
  really
• 30:34
  just
• 30:34
  tell
• 30:34
  them
• 30:35
  about
• 30:35
  how
• 30:35
  the
• 30:36
  Japanese
• 30:36
  feel
• 30:36
  about
• 30:37
  their
• 30:37
  mountains?
• 30:37
  And
• 30:38
  it's
• 30:38
  a
• 30:38
  very
• 30:38
  mountainous
• 30:39
  country
• 30:39
  because
• 30:40
  it's
• 30:40
  a
• 30:40
  country
• 30:40
  that's
• 30:41
  had
• 30:41
  a
• 30:41
  lot
• 30:41
  of
• 30:41
  earthquakes
• 30:42
  and
• 30:42
  a
• 30:42
  lot
• 30:43
  of
• 30:43
  pushing
• 30:44
  up
• 30:44
  of
• 30:44
  huge
• 30:45
  rocks.
• 30:46
  Yeah.
• 30:46
  Japan
• 30:47
  is
• 30:47
  actually
• 30:48
  70,
• 30:49
  75%
• 30:50
  of
• 30:50
  Japanese
• 30:51
  land
• 30:51
  is
• 30:51
  mountains.
• 30:53
  Yeah.
• 30:54
  So
• 30:54
  mountains
• 30:54
  are
• 30:54
  everywhere.
• 30:56
  And
• 30:56
  so
• 30:57
  it's.
• 30:58
  Yes.
• 30:58
  Anyway.
• 30:59
  Yes,
• 30:59
  you
• 30:59
  can
• 30:59
  interact
• 31:00
  with
• 31:01
  Shugendo
• 31:01
  practitioners
• 31:02
  because
• 31:02
  they
• 31:03
  are
• 31:03
  temples,
• 31:03
  Shigendo
• 31:04
  temples.
• 31:05
  So,
• 31:05
  you
• 31:05
  know,
• 31:06
  you
• 31:07
  can
• 31:07
  probably
• 31:07
  ask
• 31:08
  and
• 31:08
  then
• 31:09
  the
• 31:09
  questions,
• 31:09
  you
• 31:10
  know,
• 31:10
  then
• 31:10
  probably
• 31:10
  there
• 31:11
  will
• 31:11
  be
• 31:11
  happy
• 31:12
  answer.
• 31:12
  Before
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  let
• 31:13
  you
• 31:13
  go,
• 31:14
  I
• 31:15
  want
• 31:15
  you
• 31:15
  to
• 31:15
  tell
• 31:15
  us
• 31:15
  the
• 31:16
  story
• 31:16
  of
• 31:16
  Masicado.
• 31:18
  Because
• 31:18
  it
• 31:19
  was
• 31:19
  such
• 31:19
  a
• 31:19
  fascinating
• 31:20
  story
• 31:20
  and
• 31:21
  I
• 31:21
  think
• 31:21
  it
• 31:21
  will
• 31:21
  make
• 31:22
  people's
• 31:22
  visits
• 31:23
  to
• 31:23
  Tokyo
• 31:24
  richer.
• 31:25
  Who
• 31:25
  was
• 31:26
  Masakado
• 31:27
  and
• 31:27
  why
• 31:28
  was
• 31:28
  it
• 31:28
  such
• 31:29
  bad
• 31:29
  luck
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  disturb
• 31:31
  the
• 31:31
  mound
• 31:32
  of
• 31:32
  Masakado?
• 31:33
  Okay.
• 31:33
  Masakado's
• 31:34
  name,
• 31:35
  actual
• 31:35
  name
• 31:35
  is
• 31:36
  Taira.
• 31:36
  No,
• 31:37
  Masakado.
• 31:38
  Masakado
• 31:39
  from
• 31:40
  Taira
• 31:41
  clan.
• 31:42
  He
• 31:42
  is
• 31:42
  an
• 31:42
  actual
• 31:43
  person,
• 31:44
  historical
• 31:44
  person.
• 31:45
  He
• 31:46
  was
• 31:47
  charismatic
• 31:48
  warrior.
• 31:49
  He
• 31:49
  lived
• 31:49
  in
• 31:50
  the
• 31:50
  10th
• 31:50
  century.
• 31:51
  He
• 31:52
  organized
• 31:52
  people
• 31:53
  and
• 31:53
  fought
• 31:54
  against
• 31:54
  the
• 31:54
  Emperor.
• 31:55
  But
• 31:56
  he
• 31:56
  lost
• 31:57
  and
• 31:57
  he
• 31:57
  got
• 31:58
  executed
• 31:59
  at
• 31:59
  the
• 31:59
  river
• 32:00
  bank
• 32:00
  in
• 32:01
  Kyoto.
• 32:01
  That's
• 32:02
  the
• 32:02
  story.
• 32:03
  But
• 32:03
  what
• 32:03
  is
• 32:04
  interesting
• 32:04
  about
• 32:04
  him
• 32:05
  is
• 32:05
  that
• 32:06
  the
• 32:06
  legend
• 32:07
  after
• 32:08
  he
• 32:08
  passed
• 32:08
  away.
• 32:09
  Okay,
• 32:10
  yeah.
• 32:11
  So
• 32:12
  he
• 32:12
  was
• 32:12
  decapitated
• 32:13
  in
• 32:14
  Kyoto,
• 32:15
  but
• 32:15
  his
• 32:15
  head
• 32:16
  was
• 32:16
  pretty
• 32:16
  much
• 32:17
  alive.
• 32:18
  And
• 32:18
  then
• 32:19
  one
• 32:19
  day
• 32:20
  he
• 32:20
  saw
• 32:20
  himself.
• 32:21
  I
• 32:21
  will
• 32:22
  fight
• 32:22
  again.
• 32:22
  I
• 32:23
  will
• 32:23
  come
• 32:23
  back.
• 32:24
  His
• 32:24
  head
• 32:24
  flew.
• 32:26
  Flew
• 32:26
  away
• 32:26
  and
• 32:27
  it
• 32:27
  landed
• 32:27
  to
• 32:28
  the
• 32:28
  ground.
• 32:29
  Which
• 32:29
  is
• 32:30
  where.
• 32:30
  Which
• 32:31
  is
• 32:31
  Tokyo
• 32:32
  today.
• 32:34
  It
• 32:34
  flew
• 32:34
  over
• 32:35
  Japan
• 32:35
  to
• 32:35
  a
• 32:36
  flashing
• 32:36
  plane
• 32:36
  from
• 32:36
  Kyoto.
• 32:37
  Kyoto.
• 32:37
  Kyoto
• 32:38
  to
• 32:38
  Tokyo.
• 32:39
  Right.
• 32:39
  But
• 32:39
  it
• 32:39
  was
• 32:39
  Edo
• 32:40
  in
• 32:40
  that
• 32:40
  time,
• 32:40
  right?
• 32:41
  Yes,
• 32:41
  yes.
• 32:42
  So
• 32:43
  not
• 32:43
  even
• 32:43
  Edo.
• 32:44
  It's
• 32:44
  just.
• 32:45
  Even.
• 32:46
  It's
• 32:46
  just
• 32:46
  the
• 32:46
  middle
• 32:46
  of
• 32:46
  nowhere.
• 32:47
  And
• 32:47
  then
• 32:47
  turn
• 32:47
  in
• 32:48
  Edo
• 32:48
  and
• 32:48
  then
• 32:49
  in
• 32:49
  Tokyo.
• 32:49
  So
• 32:49
  it's.
• 32:50
  We
• 32:50
  talk
• 32:50
  anybody
• 32:51
  thousand
• 32:52
  years
• 32:52
  ago.
• 32:53
  Right,
• 32:53
  Right.
• 32:54
  So
• 32:54
  the
• 32:55
  people
• 32:55
  built
• 32:55
  the
• 32:56
  grave
• 32:56
  for
• 32:56
  it.
• 32:57
  For
• 32:57
  the.
• 32:58
  For
• 32:58
  the.
• 32:58
  You
• 32:58
  know,
• 32:58
  for
• 32:59
  the
• 32:59
  Masakado.
• 33:00
  And
• 33:00
  then
• 33:01
  that's,
• 33:01
  you
• 33:01
  know,
• 33:01
  that's
• 33:01
  the
• 33:02
  Masakado's.
• 33:02
  The
• 33:03
  mound.
• 33:03
  So
• 33:04
  his
• 33:04
  head
• 33:04
  is
• 33:04
  under
• 33:05
  the
• 33:05
  mound.
• 33:05
  Just
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  head.
• 33:06
  Yes,
• 33:07
  yes.
• 33:07
  Because
• 33:07
  that's
• 33:07
  all
• 33:07
  that
• 33:08
  flew.
• 33:08
  Yes,
• 33:09
  yes.
• 33:09
  And
• 33:10
  the
• 33:11
  thing
• 33:11
  is,
• 33:11
  that
• 33:11
  area
• 33:12
  is
• 33:13
  a
• 33:13
  prime
• 33:13
  land.
• 33:14
  I
• 33:14
  mean,
• 33:14
  in
• 33:14
  the
• 33:14
  center
• 33:15
  of
• 33:15
  Tokyo.
• 33:16
  The
• 33:17
  Imperial
• 33:18
  Palace.
• 33:19
  It's
• 33:19
  a
• 33:20
  couple
• 33:20
  blocks
• 33:20
  away.
• 33:21
  So
• 33:21
  authorities
• 33:22
  tried
• 33:23
  to
• 33:23
  move
• 33:23
  that
• 33:23
  place
• 33:24
  several
• 33:25
  times,
• 33:25
  but
• 33:25
  for
• 33:26
  some
• 33:26
  reason
• 33:26
  there's
• 33:27
  been
• 33:27
  accidents.
• 33:28
  And
• 33:28
  then.
• 33:29
  So
• 33:29
  just
• 33:30
  people
• 33:31
  decided
• 33:31
  to
• 33:31
  leave
• 33:32
  it
• 33:32
  as
• 33:32
  is.
• 33:33
  Right?
• 33:33
  Well,
• 33:33
  the
• 33:34
  accidents
• 33:34
  are
• 33:35
  fascinating.
• 33:35
  You
• 33:35
  know,
• 33:36
  the
• 33:36
  man
• 33:37
  who
• 33:37
  decides
• 33:38
  to
• 33:38
  move
• 33:38
  it,
• 33:38
  he
• 33:38
  ends
• 33:39
  up
• 33:39
  dead
• 33:39
  in
• 33:39
  a
• 33:40
  week.
• 33:40
  And
• 33:40
  then
• 33:41
  the
• 33:41
  Americans
• 33:41
  come
• 33:42
  in
• 33:42
  after
• 33:42
  World
• 33:42
  War
• 33:43
  II.
• 33:43
  They
• 33:43
  want
• 33:43
  to
• 33:44
  build
• 33:44
  a
• 33:44
  parking
• 33:44
  lot
• 33:45
  and
• 33:45
  an
• 33:45
  earthquake.
• 33:46
  No,
• 33:46
  no.
• 33:46
  And
• 33:47
  everybody
• 33:47
  else
• 33:47
  dies.
• 33:48
  And
• 33:48
  then
• 33:48
  when
• 33:48
  they
• 33:49
  try
• 33:49
  to
• 33:49
  build
• 33:49
  the
• 33:49
  subway
• 33:50
  line,
• 33:51
  earthquakes
• 33:51
  happen.
• 33:52
  Yes,
• 33:52
  yes.
• 33:53
  Lots
• 33:54
  of
• 33:54
  accidents.
• 33:55
  Yes.
• 33:56
  The
• 33:56
  reasons
• 33:57
  why
• 33:57
  the
• 33:58
  people,
• 33:58
  including
• 33:59
  myself,
• 34:00
  love
• 34:00
  Masakado
• 34:01
  and
• 34:01
  then
• 34:02
  also
• 34:02
  venerate
• 34:03
  as
• 34:03
  a
• 34:04
  spiritual
• 34:04
  being.
• 34:05
  Just
• 34:05
  because
• 34:06
  there's
• 34:06
  a
• 34:06
  concept
• 34:08
  called
• 34:08
  hangan
• 34:08
  biki.
• 34:09
  It's
• 34:09
  a.
• 34:10
  It's
• 34:10
  a
• 34:10
  sympathy
• 34:11
  for
• 34:12
  tragic
• 34:13
  heroes.
• 34:13
  And
• 34:14
  we
• 34:14
  Japanese
• 34:15
  tends
• 34:16
  to.
• 34:17
  To
• 34:17
  love
• 34:18
  the
• 34:18
  passionate
• 34:19
  underdogs.
• 34:20
  And
• 34:20
  then
• 34:20
  Masakado
• 34:21
  is
• 34:21
  one
• 34:22
  of
• 34:22
  them.
• 34:23
  So
• 34:23
  even
• 34:23
  though
• 34:23
  he.
• 34:24
  He
• 34:24
  lost,
• 34:25
  he
• 34:25
  lost.
• 34:25
  But
• 34:26
  you
• 34:27
  know,
• 34:27
  it's
• 34:27
  like,
• 34:27
  wow,
• 34:28
  he
• 34:28
  tried.
• 34:29
  And
• 34:29
  then
• 34:30
  it
• 34:30
  all.
• 34:30
  He
• 34:31
  made
• 34:31
  all
• 34:31
  the
• 34:31
  best
• 34:31
  of
• 34:32
  the
• 34:32
  best.
• 34:32
  And
• 34:32
  then
• 34:33
  we
• 34:33
  respect
• 34:34
  that.
• 34:35
  Yeah.
• 34:35
  So
• 34:35
  you
• 34:36
  call
• 34:36
  it.
• 34:36
  In
• 34:36
  the
• 34:36
  book,
• 34:36
  you
• 34:37
  say
• 34:37
  the
• 34:37
  nobility
• 34:38
  of
• 34:38
  failure.
• 34:39
  Yes.
• 34:39
  Which
• 34:39
  is
• 34:40
  a
• 34:40
  beautiful
• 34:40
  phrase.
• 34:41
  Yes.
• 34:42
  Because
• 34:42
  everybody
• 34:43
  can
• 34:44
  associate
• 34:45
  that
• 34:45
  maybe
• 34:46
  you
• 34:46
  have
• 34:46
  a
• 34:46
  goal.
• 34:47
  And
• 34:47
  then,
• 34:47
  you
• 34:47
  know,
• 34:47
  it's
• 34:48
  like.
• 34:48
  And
• 34:48
  you
• 34:48
  try
• 34:48
  really
• 34:49
  hard,
• 34:49
  you
• 34:50
  know.
• 34:50
  But
• 34:50
  even
• 34:50
  if
• 34:50
  you
• 34:51
  don't
• 34:51
  make
• 34:51
  it.
• 34:52
  But
• 34:52
  still,
• 34:52
  the
• 34:52
  experience
• 34:53
  you
• 34:53
  have
• 34:54
  or
• 34:54
  the,
• 34:54
  you
• 34:55
  know,
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  courage
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  had
• 34:56
  means
• 34:56
  something.
• 34:58
  So.
• 34:59
  So.
• 34:59
  Yes.
• 35:00
  Can
• 35:00
  people
• 35:00
  still
• 35:01
  see
• 35:01
  the
• 35:01
  mound
• 35:02
  today?
• 35:02
  I
• 35:03
  do,
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  do.
• 35:03
  I
• 35:03
  do
• 35:04
  too.
• 35:04
  And
• 35:04
  then.
• 35:05
  So
• 35:05
  the.
• 35:05
  The
• 35:05
  locate
• 35:06
  that
• 35:06
  it.
• 35:06
  The
• 35:06
  mound
• 35:07
  is
• 35:07
  located
• 35:07
  in
• 35:08
  it,
• 35:08
  in
• 35:09
  the
• 35:09
  center
• 35:09
  of
• 35:09
  Tokyo,
• 35:09
  in
• 35:10
  Marunouchi.
• 35:11
  It's
• 35:11
  really
• 35:11
  close
• 35:12
  to
• 35:12
  the
• 35:12
  Tokyo
• 35:13
  station.
• 35:13
  And
• 35:13
  it's
• 35:14
  surrounded
• 35:14
  by
• 35:15
  giant
• 35:16
  buildings.
• 35:16
  I
• 35:17
  mean,
• 35:17
  I
• 35:17
  know
• 35:18
  the
• 35:18
  skyscrapers.
• 35:20
  And
• 35:20
  it's
• 35:20
  like.
• 35:21
  It's
• 35:21
  a
• 35:21
  It's
• 35:21
  a
• 35:21
  shrine.
• 35:21
  It's
• 35:22
  like
• 35:22
  a
• 35:22
  shrine.
• 35:22
  And
• 35:23
  a
• 35:23
  lot
• 35:23
  of
• 35:23
  people
• 35:23
  go
• 35:23
  there
• 35:24
  quietly
• 35:25
  and
• 35:25
  then
• 35:25
  show
• 35:26
  respect
• 35:26
  and
• 35:26
  pray
• 35:27
  and
• 35:27
  including
• 35:28
  myself.
• 35:29
  It's
• 35:29
  fascinating
• 35:30
  character.
• 35:31
  Yes.
• 35:32
  I
• 35:32
  love
• 35:32
  that
• 35:33
  story.
• 35:33
  Yes,
• 35:34
  absolutely.
• 35:35
  The
• 35:35
  flying
• 35:35
  head
• 35:36
  put
• 35:36
  on
• 35:37
  a
• 35:37
  spike
• 35:37
  and
• 35:37
  it
• 35:38
  says,
• 35:38
  to
• 35:38
  hell
• 35:38
  with
• 35:38
  you.
• 35:39
  And
• 35:39
  it
• 35:39
  takes
• 35:40
  off.
• 35:40
  Yeah.
• 35:41
  Another
• 35:42
  reason
• 35:42
  I'd
• 35:42
  like
• 35:42
  to
• 35:43
  say
• 35:43
  about
• 35:43
  Masakado
• 35:44
  is
• 35:44
  that
• 35:45
  it
• 35:45
  said
• 35:45
  how
• 35:45
  to
• 35:46
  deal
• 35:46
  with
• 35:46
  anger.
• 35:47
  And
• 35:47
  the
• 35:48
  sense
• 35:48
  of
• 35:48
  anger
• 35:49
  is
• 35:49
  everybody's,
• 35:50
  you
• 35:50
  know,
• 35:50
  everybody's
• 35:51
  subject
• 35:51
  too.
• 35:52
  I
• 35:52
  realized
• 35:53
  anger
• 35:54
  is
• 35:54
  hard
• 35:54
  to
• 35:54
  deal
• 35:54
  with,
• 35:55
  but
• 35:55
  it's
• 35:56
  part
• 35:56
  of
• 35:56
  us.
• 35:57
  It's
• 35:57
  part
• 35:57
  of
• 35:58
  the
• 35:58
  emotions.
• 35:59
  And
• 35:59
  so.
• 36:00
  So
• 36:01
  Masakado
• 36:02
  is
• 36:03
  kind
• 36:03
  of.
• 36:03
  I
• 36:03
  think
• 36:03
  it's
• 36:04
  a
• 36:04
  symbol
• 36:05
  of
• 36:05
  that.
• 36:05
  Anger
• 36:07
  doesn't
• 36:07
  disappear,
• 36:08
  it
• 36:09
  just
• 36:09
  exists.
• 36:10
  But
• 36:11
  it's
• 36:11
  part
• 36:12
  of
• 36:12
  you.
• 36:13
  So
• 36:13
  it.
• 36:13
  It
• 36:14
  comes
• 36:14
  out.
• 36:15
  But
• 36:16
  you
• 36:16
  face
• 36:16
  it.
• 36:17
  You
• 36:17
  can
• 36:17
  tame
• 36:18
  it.
• 36:19
  You
• 36:19
  take
• 36:19
  it,
• 36:19
  accept
• 36:20
  it,
• 36:20
  venerate
• 36:21
  it,
• 36:21
  it
• 36:21
  doesn't
• 36:21
  matter,
• 36:22
  but
• 36:22
  you
• 36:23
  can
• 36:23
  tame
• 36:23
  it.
• 36:23
  That
• 36:24
  is
• 36:24
  my
• 36:24
  takeaway
• 36:25
  from
• 36:26
  Max
• 36:26
  Masakado
• 36:27
  Mound.
• 36:28
  And
• 36:28
  that's
• 36:28
  why
• 36:29
  time
• 36:29
  to
• 36:29
  time,
• 36:30
  I
• 36:30
  go
• 36:30
  visit
• 36:31
  and
• 36:31
  then
• 36:31
  show
• 36:32
  my
• 36:32
  respect.
• 36:33
  And
• 36:34
  it
• 36:34
  showed
• 36:35
  this
• 36:35
  gratitude
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  teach
• 36:37
  me
• 36:38
  my
• 36:38
  life
• 36:39
  lesson.
• 36:40
  I
• 36:40
  do
• 36:40
  that.
• 36:43
  As
• 36:43
  you
• 36:43
  can
• 36:44
  probably
• 36:44
  tell,
• 36:46
  that
• 36:46
  the
• 36:46
  Japanese
• 36:47
  spirituality
• 36:48
  isn't
• 36:49
  really
• 36:49
  about
• 36:50
  Japan
• 36:51
  thing.
• 36:52
  It
• 36:52
  is
• 36:53
  about
• 36:53
  the
• 36:53
  cultivating
• 36:54
  positivity
• 36:55
  in
• 36:55
  your
• 36:55
  life,
• 36:57
  expressing
• 36:58
  the
• 36:58
  gratitude
• 36:59
  for
• 37:00
  whatever
• 37:01
  you're
• 37:01
  thankful
• 37:02
  for,
• 37:04
  or
• 37:04
  nourishing
• 37:06
  the
• 37:06
  sense
• 37:06
  of
• 37:07
  belongingness
• 37:08
  to
• 37:09
  the
• 37:09
  bigger
• 37:10
  system,
• 37:10
  which
• 37:10
  is
• 37:11
  nature.
• 37:11
  And
• 37:11
  that
• 37:12
  thing
• 37:12
  is
• 37:12
  not.
• 37:12
  It's
• 37:13
  something
• 37:13
  that
• 37:13
  I
• 37:13
  can
• 37:13
  share
• 37:14
  to
• 37:14
  anyone.
• 37:14
  And
• 37:14
  that
• 37:15
  is
• 37:15
  why
• 37:16
  I
• 37:16
  wrote
• 37:17
  a
• 37:17
  book
• 37:17
  in
• 37:18
  English.
• 37:20
  Well,
• 37:21
  we
• 37:21
  are
• 37:21
  grateful
• 37:22
  that
• 37:22
  you
• 37:22
  did.
• 37:23
  Thank
• 37:23
  you
• 37:24
  so,
• 37:24
  so
• 37:24
  much
• 37:25
  for
• 37:25
  this
• 37:25
  conversation
• 37:26
  and
• 37:26
  the
• 37:26
  wonderful
• 37:27
  book.
• 37:27
  Thank
• 37:28
  you
• 37:28
  so
• 37:28
  much.
• 37:42
  Sour
• 37:42
  candy
• 37:43
  on
• 37:44
  the
• 37:44
  table
• 37:46
  Lazy
• 37:47
  afternoons
• 37:48
  in
• 37:49
  your
• 37:49
  sweatpants
• 37:50
  Watching
• 37:50
  cable
• 37:53
  well
• 37:53
  it
• 37:53
  feels
• 37:54
  so
• 37:54
  far
• 37:55
  away
• 37:58
  all
• 37:58
  the
• 37:58
  channels
• 37:59
  seem
• 38:00
  the
• 38:00
  same
• 38:03
  Trying
• 38:03
  to
• 38:04
  remember
• 38:05
  all
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  songs
• 38:06
  we
• 38:06
  like
• 38:06
  to
• 38:07
  play
• 38:07
  Cuz
• 38:08
  those
• 38:08
  lazy
• 38:09
  afternoons
• 38:10
  don't
• 38:10
  come
• 38:11
  so
• 38:11
  frequently
• 38:12
  these
• 38:12
  days
• 38:14
  oh
• 38:15
  it's
• 38:15
  been
• 38:16
  so
• 38:17
  long
• 38:18
  and
• 38:18
  I
• 38:18
  cannot
• 38:19
  help
• 38:19
  but
• 38:20
  wonder
• 38:21
  Are
• 38:21
  you
• 38:21
  ever
• 38:22
  coming
• 38:23
  home?
• 38:23
  I
• 38:24
  like
• 38:24
  you
• 38:24
  with
• 38:25
  your
• 38:25
  sour
• 38:25
  candy
• 38:26
  in
• 38:26
  the
• 38:27
  boat
• 38:27
  house
• 38:27
  on
• 38:28
  the
• 38:29
  oh
• 38:29
  but
• 38:29
  I
• 38:30
  hate,
• 38:30
  I
• 38:30
  hate,
• 38:31
  I
• 38:31
  hate,
• 38:31
  I
• 38:31
  hate,
• 38:32
  I
• 38:32
  hate,
• 38:33
  I
• 38:34
  hate
• 38:34
  the
• 38:34
  way
• 38:34
  it
• 38:35
  takes
• 38:46
  I
• 38:47
  can't
• 38:47
  get
• 38:47
  you
• 38:47
  off
• 38:48
  of
• 38:48
  my
• 38:49
  mind
• 38:51
  Looking
• 38:52
  out
• 38:52
  the
• 38:52
  window
• 38:53
  where
• 38:53
  we,
• 38:54
  we
• 38:54
  spent
• 38:54
  so
• 38:54
  much
• 38:54
  of
• 38:55
  our
• 38:55
  time
• 38:57
  Cause
• 38:58
  I
• 38:58
  miss
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  way
• 38:59
  it
• 38:59
  felt
• 39:01
  But
• 39:02
  I
• 39:02
  guess
• 39:02
  you
• 39:02
  can't
• 39:03
  control
• 39:03
  those
• 39:04
  damn
• 39:04
  cards
• 39:05
  we're
• 39:06
  down,
• 39:07
  babe.
• 39:08
  I
• 39:08
  know
• 39:08
  the
• 39:09
  both
• 39:09
  of
• 39:09
  us
• 39:09
  are
• 39:10
  happy
• 39:11
  when
• 39:11
  we're
• 39:11
  free
• 39:12
  but
• 39:13
  would
• 39:13
  it
• 39:13
  be
• 39:14
  so
• 39:14
  hard
• 39:14
  to
• 39:15
  find
• 39:15
  your
• 39:16
  freedom
• 39:16
  here
• 39:16
  with
• 39:17
  me?
• 39:19
  Wow,
• 39:20
  it's
• 39:20
  been
• 39:21
  so
• 39:21
  long
• 39:23
  and
• 39:23
  I
• 39:23
  cannot
• 39:24
  help
• 39:24
  but
• 39:25
  wonder
• 39:25
  Are
• 39:26
  you
• 39:26
  ever
• 39:26
  coming
• 39:27
  home
• 39:28
  I
• 39:28
  like
• 39:29
  you
• 39:29
  with
• 39:29
  your
• 39:29
  sour
• 39:30
  candy
• 39:31
  in
• 39:31
  the
• 39:31
  boat
• 39:32
  house
• 39:32
  on
• 39:32
  the
• 39:33
  lake
• 39:34
  But
• 39:34
  I
• 39:34
  hate,
• 39:35
  I
• 39:35
  hate,
• 39:35
  I
• 39:36
  hate,
• 39:36
  I
• 39:36
  hate,
• 39:36
  I
• 39:37
  hate
• 39:38
  I
• 39:38
  hate
• 39:39
  the
• 39:39
  way
• 39:39
  it
• 39:39
  takes
• 39:50
  and
• 39:51
  I
• 39:56
  hate
• 39:56
  the
• 39:56
  way
• 39:57
  it
• 39:57
  takes
• 39:58
  But
• 39:58
  I
• 39:59
  love.