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Joey's New York Comic Con Round-Up: Part 2 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny, and welcome to Steffan never told
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Speaker 1: your production of iHeart Radio. And yes, I am still
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Speaker 1: without Samantha, but I am joined today by a friend
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Speaker 1: of the show, friend in real life contributor Joey, who
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Speaker 1: has been with us several times, who is a good
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Speaker 1: nerd friend of mine, so much so that this episode
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Speaker 1: ballooned into two parts and we kept talking for about
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Speaker 1: an hour after it was over. But yes, we are
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Speaker 1: back with part two of our conversation with Joey about
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Speaker 1: New York Comic Con and fandom in general.
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Speaker 2: Go check out part one.
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Speaker 1: If you haven't, as hinted at as discussed in that episode,
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Speaker 1: really need Samantha Torain is in because yeah, she was
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Speaker 1: outsick and we just had so much to say and
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Speaker 1: we kept going indeed after the mic was off. But
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Speaker 1: there's just so much that is going on with the
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Speaker 1: mainstreaming of fandom to talk about, and in fact, we
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Speaker 1: came up with several other episode ideas doing this, So
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Speaker 1: this was a surprise two parter. And so I just
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Speaker 1: want to put in the reminder here we are going
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Speaker 1: to be talking about sexual assault and harassment in this part,
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Speaker 1: not in detail, but that is where we're picking up
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Speaker 1: with the conversation today, so let's get back into our discussion.
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Speaker 3: Last thing, I want to just discuss a little bit,
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Speaker 3: which this is what I was going out at the
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Speaker 3: top right. I said, it's touched a little bit on
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Speaker 3: sexual assault harassment. This kind of came top of mind
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Speaker 3: again because we did a story for There Aren't No
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Speaker 3: Girls on the Internet, which is another show that I
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Speaker 3: work on with Bridget High. Last week we did a
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Speaker 3: story about this increased problem with like sexual harassment and
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Speaker 3: assault at twitch Con, which was a.
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Speaker 4: Couple of weeks ago.
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Speaker 3: I think it was actually the week after Comic Con
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Speaker 3: in San Diego, and there was this really horrifying story
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Speaker 3: about this one particular creator who I guess Before the
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Speaker 3: convention there were a lot of concerns about assault and
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Speaker 3: about harassment in the way that a lot of streamers,
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Speaker 3: particularly female streamers, were treated. There was this one streamer
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Speaker 3: who had like a man like came on stage and
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Speaker 3: like physically assaulted her, and then what like she was
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Speaker 3: also facing some like harassment.
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Speaker 4: There were all of these issues.
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Speaker 3: It was like something to where this guy had been
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Speaker 3: a consistent problem. She had a bodyguard who usually was
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Speaker 3: with her and the bodyguard for some reason was well
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Speaker 3: not for some reason, he I guess had intervened with
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Speaker 3: another attack the previous twitch Con, and for some they
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Speaker 3: decided the course of action would be to ban the
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Speaker 3: bodyguard as as opposed to banning the guy that assaulted her,
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Speaker 3: which makes so much sense. And this brings up, you know,
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Speaker 3: another conversation about like parasocial relationships, particularly when it comes
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Speaker 3: to like these kind of streamers and creators and particularly
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Speaker 3: you know, women, and how that's dangerous. But it also
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Speaker 3: makes me think about again, like just your average Joe
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Speaker 3: cosplayer like me, if you're somebody who is at something
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Speaker 3: like hom Con, who you're like me, where you're you're
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Speaker 3: not like I don't have a bodyguard with me. I
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Speaker 3: you know, personally, I've been very lucky where like I've
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Speaker 3: never really had anything like really terrible happen. That being said,
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Speaker 3: I saw at the top of this episode this is
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Speaker 3: my first year where I dressed up as a female character,
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Speaker 3: which was interesting. Uh again, nothing too terrible. I think
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Speaker 3: like a couple of Evelli comments that I was sort
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Speaker 3: of like, oh interesting, I did have a man and
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Speaker 3: this I wouldn't qualify this as harassment or was a
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Speaker 3: man who was like very trying to flirt with me
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Speaker 3: unsuccessfully and then offered to my majoring sort of unprompted,
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Speaker 3: and I was sort of like, this is weird. I
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Speaker 3: didn't even start talking to you. I don't know why. Again,
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Speaker 3: I don't think that's harassed, but I think that's just
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Speaker 3: people being awkward. But I was sort of like, huh,
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Speaker 3: I'm not used to like having to deal with this.
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Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of friends about this, particularly again,
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Speaker 3: like I usually dress bore masculine when I'm at these things.
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Speaker 3: Friends that think particularly that dress very feminine or like
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Speaker 3: more fem It's an issue every year, like there's always
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Speaker 3: something that happens. There's always it's usually just like comments,
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Speaker 3: you know, you're like getting shoved or like maybe.
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Speaker 4: Some groping, like god forbid.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, there's like something every year that's like weird
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Speaker 3: and uncomfortable.
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Speaker 4: So it's like, like.
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Speaker 3: Going into this experience, I sort of like, I know
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Speaker 3: I have to be wary of like men being weird,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, I think hearing like that story from TwitchCon
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Speaker 3: and hearing like how much of backlash there was a
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Speaker 3: twitch Con this year, and the fact that it sounds
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Speaker 3: like there's a lot of female streamers that are now
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Speaker 3: pulling out because of what happened and because of it
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Speaker 3: not being taken seriously. It just makes me think about
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Speaker 3: the fact that, yeah, again, like what happens to the
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Speaker 3: rest of us that are dealing with this. I had
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Speaker 3: a friend say something at one point we were talking
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Speaker 3: and he was just like, yeah, you can tell fascisms
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Speaker 3: on the ride this rise this year, because the audacity
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Speaker 3: of men is like gone way up, and like he
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Speaker 3: was talking about the fact that we're like he got
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Speaker 3: shoved a bunch and like people were just like pushing
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Speaker 3: out of the way, and I was like, yeah, there's that.
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Speaker 3: And then also like every single girl that I've talked
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Speaker 3: to that I'm here with like has had somebody made
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Speaker 3: it some comment about a costume or about our body
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Speaker 3: or whatever.
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Speaker 4: I had the first day when I.
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Speaker 3: Was dressed a wick in because I thought costume is
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Speaker 3: like a like skin tight bodysuit. This wasn't in the convention,
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Speaker 3: but I was at a cafe like across the street,
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Speaker 3: and like there was a man that was there that
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Speaker 3: was like very obviously like checking me out. I was
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Speaker 3: sort of like, this is weird. And uncomfortable. I moved
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Speaker 3: out of the way and he like followed me, and
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Speaker 3: I was like great, I'm not even surprised about this happening,
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Speaker 3: Like I knew this was going to happen at some point,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's annoying and uncomfortable.
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Speaker 4: I think, well, my friend's life.
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Speaker 3: Was right where. I think there is some culture shift happening.
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Speaker 3: I think this is a reflection of it. It seems to
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Speaker 3: be worse this year. I haven't seen any reporting about
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Speaker 3: like the like numbers or incidents anything this year. I'm
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Speaker 3: interested to see, like what comes out of it, if
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Speaker 3: any like incidents did occur. But yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 3: what the solution is. I wish I did, but I
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Speaker 3: think there needs to be some sort of shift, whether
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Speaker 3: it's from the guests and the people there and the
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Speaker 3: culture there, or like from the convention team itself. I think, again,
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Speaker 3: this is like what I was talking about with the
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Speaker 3: way the space is organized. I think there's a lot
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Speaker 3: of issues that the actual like if if they want
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Speaker 3: to make this a good experience for people, if they
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Speaker 3: want this to be a thing that people want to
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Speaker 3: come back to, there are things that need to be fixed.
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Speaker 3: I'm still probably gonna go next year. I overhall had
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Speaker 3: a great time. I had a really fun time. There's
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Speaker 3: a lot of things I love about comic Con. I
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Speaker 3: love the people there. I love like getting to interact
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Speaker 3: with people. I love getting to meet new people again.
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Speaker 3: Like ninety nine percent of the interactions I have were
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Speaker 3: great and amazing and super fun.
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Speaker 4: But there were a number of things.
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Speaker 3: This time I think just showed that there are changes
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Speaker 3: that need to be made and I want them to
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Speaker 3: do better. Otherwise I'm worried about this event like being
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Speaker 3: able to happen in the next couple of years, you know.
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Speaker 3: So Yeah, not to end on a rough note, but
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Speaker 3: those are my takeaways this year. Again, that being said,
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Speaker 3: I did have a great time again. It's always fun
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Speaker 3: to dress up. It's always fun to just hang out
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Speaker 3: with friends and bond over all of our like nerdy
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Speaker 3: things that were into.
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Speaker 4: I was really proud of myself.
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Speaker 3: I bought a couple of things this year, but I
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Speaker 3: didn't spend too much money.
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Speaker 4: So you know that was a win.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Nice, Yeah, I mean again, I you and I think
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Speaker 1: could talk forever and ever about this stuff. I feel
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Speaker 1: like in my experience, I too have seen that because
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Speaker 1: I started going to dragon Con, and I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like two thousand and eight a long time. I've been
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Speaker 1: going for a while, and back then it was pretty big,
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Speaker 1: but it was much smaller than it is now it is.
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Speaker 1: It's I think they said, like ninety thousand people came
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Speaker 1: this year.
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Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, and so there's have gone up a lot,
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Speaker 3: like born.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's interesting that we're seeing this more
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Speaker 1: widespread embrace of nerd to nerd culture cause playing, although I.
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Speaker 2: Think some people take it way too seriously.
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Speaker 3: And that's mostly men. That's most men.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, guess what, you aren't actually the Mandalorian.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know, I will say I feel like
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Speaker 3: there has at least been a decline in the Deadpool
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Speaker 3: cause players, because that was always that. They're always was huge,
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Speaker 3: a group, a like smattering of men dressed as Deadpool
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Speaker 3: that thought they were so funny and would just harass people.
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Speaker 4: I've seen less of that, So, you.
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Speaker 3: Know what, maybe maybe it's now they're all the Mandalorian
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Speaker 3: and they're Stoyac and they yeah, I don't mess with me,
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Speaker 3: and so I don't know, I don't know, maybe that's
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Speaker 3: another cultural shift.
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Speaker 1: To Dragon Con has a we have the big parade,
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Speaker 1: and we have the five oh first from Star Wars,
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Speaker 1: like you have to get in, and then we have
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Speaker 1: another one that is like, oh god, three hundred that
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Speaker 1: movie The Gladiators.
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Speaker 2: And you have to like show your apps and like
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Speaker 2: get in.
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Speaker 1: And I'm assuming workout all the time, and I'm just
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Speaker 1: like this is too much, my dudes. But this year
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Speaker 1: a friend asked me because I had a friend who'd
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Speaker 1: never been and I was kind of showing around and
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Speaker 1: she's like, to do any women to it? And I
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, I've never really seen it.
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Speaker 2: They do. There's a huge section of it this year.
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Speaker 1: And it's like I feel like we're getting some winds
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Speaker 1: and some we're getting some pushbacks.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. It is the
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Speaker 3: weird thing where I was like I'm like yeah, like
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Speaker 3: I'm again like I came to like I remember being
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Speaker 3: a kid and being like a lot of this stuff
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Speaker 3: was like for the boys, it wasn't for the girls.
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Speaker 3: And now I feel like there is much more of
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Speaker 3: a like gender bound. It is like seen as for everybody.
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Speaker 3: There's like even I personally, like I was my little
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Speaker 3: sister is really into like all the like romanticy books
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Speaker 3: and whatever.
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Speaker 4: I'm not, but you.
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Speaker 3: Know what, I respect that for people that are into it.
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Speaker 3: There was like a fair amount of people that were
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Speaker 3: cause playing stuff from that, and I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: like stuff that's like more quote unquote female centric media too,
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Speaker 3: Like it does seem like there's more it's open, Like
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Speaker 3: there's more media that is kind of under this umbrella.
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Speaker 3: It is more open to like yeah, there's a lot
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Speaker 3: more things that are aimed like a sort of geared
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Speaker 3: towards queer people. They are geared towards people that aren't
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Speaker 3: just like straight white men. But yeah, but there always
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Speaker 3: is going to be this problem, like it is still
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Speaker 3: then I go into this thing too, and I'm always like, okay,
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Speaker 3: there's going to be some creepy man who makes some
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Speaker 3: strange comment at either me or at one of my friends,
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Speaker 3: and like, I don't know, it is yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well one of the things one of the big pushes
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Speaker 1: at Dragon Con a couple of years ago was which
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Speaker 1: I used to not do this either, so I'm glad
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Speaker 1: it was a big push, but like you know, asking consent,
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Speaker 1: like before you take the picture, yeah, just like checking,
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Speaker 1: And so that became a really big thing. But one year,
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Speaker 1: when I was dressed as a winter soldier, a guy
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Speaker 1: was dressed as Captain America came up to me was like,
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Speaker 1: can I take a picture? And I said yes, And
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Speaker 1: the next thing I know, he just picked me up
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Speaker 1: in his arms and was like, I want you to
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Speaker 1: act like you're dead, and I was like, this has gone.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of fantasy I helped you
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Speaker 1: live out.
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Speaker 4: I don't know what this is.
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Speaker 1: But he took the picture and they put me down
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Speaker 1: and left, and I was like that, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if I didn't really consent to that right I have
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Speaker 1: if you told me.
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Speaker 3: I feel if you should ask, I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I come about this is very like I'm like I'll
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Speaker 3: ask people if I like to take their picture. I
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Speaker 3: feel like that's commons courtesy. I am like, if somebody's
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Speaker 3: saying a picture with me, if I'll be like yeah,
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Speaker 3: because it's so cool, if I like put my arm
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Speaker 3: around you or something like just I don't know. I
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Speaker 3: feel like it's like just it's common courtesy, Like it's
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Speaker 3: just being like, hey, is this okay. I don't want
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Speaker 3: to do anything that's going to be like uncomfortable for you.
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Speaker 3: I would hate if somebody put me in that position.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, I don't know what is.
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Speaker 4: Up with like some of Yeah, I was.
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Speaker 3: I remember like a year I was talking to one
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Speaker 3: of my friends who I'm gonna be big because I
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Speaker 3: don't want to out her at all for any of them,
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Speaker 3: but if and she like she CAUs likes a female
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Speaker 3: DC character who is like very popular. She was like,
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Speaker 3: I just I don't think I can causeplay this character anymore,
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Speaker 3: like at conventions, just because like the amount of men
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Speaker 3: that come up to me and like make weird comments,
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Speaker 3: like unprompted, because like they're they're trying to I fel filled.
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Speaker 3: They're like fantasy where she was just like and I'm like,
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Speaker 3: I'm just here like to I'm in a little superhero costume.
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Speaker 3: Like it's not not that it would matter because it
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Speaker 3: but it's like not even a particularly like revealing one.
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Speaker 3: It's like a very just standard like superhero suit. I
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Speaker 3: don't know with the King and like again, it doesn't matter.
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Speaker 3: You could be wearing like you could be dressed as
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Speaker 3: anything and you would still have his comments and it
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Speaker 3: would not be okay. Uh but yeah, it is like
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Speaker 3: it's frustrating to like, like, I felt really sad for her,
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Speaker 3: where I was like, I know, this is like one
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Speaker 3: of your favorite characters.
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Speaker 4: You like you, I've worked really hard on this costume.
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Speaker 3: I've seen you cosplay this character for like years, and
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Speaker 3: it's so sad to hear you be like, I don't
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Speaker 3: think I can do this anymore in public just because
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Speaker 3: of the amount of comments that I get that are
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Speaker 3: so uncomfortable to deal with.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the I mean, it is really sad
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Speaker 1: because for people like like us, that love is that
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Speaker 1: you get excited about it.
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Speaker 2: You're thinking about it, what am I gonna wear?
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Speaker 1: When I'm gonna do And it can be I also
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Speaker 1: generally have really good interactions and it can be really
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Speaker 1: fun when someone comes up to you and does like
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Speaker 1: I used to get the Winter Soldier code words all
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Speaker 1: the time people I start saying yeah, yeah, which you
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Speaker 1: know if I didn't know them.
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Speaker 2: I don't think I should be judged for not knowing them.
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Speaker 1: But it was kind of funny, Like it was a
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Speaker 1: fun little interaction I would have. So most of it
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Speaker 1: has been I also have been very lucky where most
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Speaker 1: of it has been really pleasant, but it is a thing,
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Speaker 1: like I used to The number one creepy comment I
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Speaker 1: used to get was you know exactly what you're doing.
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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I hate that. Yeah, that's the thing.
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Speaker 3: Even I was thinking about that. But again I said,
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Speaker 3: like the first day I was wearing that body suit
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Speaker 3: and I was like out at this cafe across the street,
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Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, like I guess I'm wearing
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Speaker 3: something a little bit more revealing, like I'm expecting something
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Speaker 3: to happen. But I was like, I'm dressed as a superhero.
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Speaker 3: I'm dressed as a Marvel Comics character. Like, no, I'm
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Speaker 3: what I'm doing is I'm dressing up.
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Speaker 4: Like a comic book character.
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Speaker 3: I like, because I'm going to do a comic to
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Speaker 3: have fun and be a nerd and like, I don't know, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's it's really like it's weird and uncomfortable. I think, like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I'll be I'll be realized. There's definitely costumes to you
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Speaker 3: where ipen like, oh maybe I should do this character
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, I don't know if I'm really gonna
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Speaker 3: be like like I don't know. I was like, I
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Speaker 3: want I would love to like Cosway with Scarlet Witch
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Speaker 3: at some point, I love her like comic book costume.
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Speaker 3: I'm also like, do I really want to wear that
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Speaker 3: in public?
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Speaker 4: Or am I?
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Speaker 1: Am?
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Speaker 4: I gonna be really uncomfortable? Am I gonna have to
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Speaker 4: deal with which?
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Speaker 5: Like?
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Speaker 4: And I I shouldn't have to worry about that.
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Speaker 3: I should have to worry about that, And it makes
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Speaker 3: me sad that I'm like all of these creators that
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Speaker 3: I love to do, these amazing work that we get
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Speaker 3: this amazing like art are subject to that without like
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Speaker 3: nobody should have to.
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Speaker 4: Deal with that.
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Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, like I was saying before,
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Speaker 3: and like you said too, I do love like I
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Speaker 3: love when people ask you to take pictures.
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Speaker 4: I love that. I love attention. Please thank you. Yes, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: I don't. I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I just feel like there's a very clear line of
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Speaker 3: like what is acceptable versus what isn't. And it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you come with me for a picture or a picture
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Speaker 3: with you, that's fine, Like you if you were grabbing
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Speaker 3: me in a certain way, that is clearly not okay. Again,
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Speaker 3: I think it was and it was interesting, particularly being
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Speaker 3: like my the first time I'm dressing up as a
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Speaker 3: female character, also happens to be a character that's like
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Speaker 3: more masculine presenting. Yeah, but like still I was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: Like I took a picture of being like like putting
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Speaker 3: his arm around my waist and I was kind of like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 3: Like I don't know if that's what I was going for.
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Speaker 4: Also like I'm ready to pose with like.
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Speaker 3: My fists up and everything, and I was like, oh, cool,
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Speaker 3: like that, we're not doing that. I guess it's not fun.
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Speaker 3: It's not fun. And I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I just I don't I don't understand.
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Speaker 3: I know what they're trying to achieve is we're trying
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Speaker 3: to be like it's a power thing.
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Speaker 4: It's not about But I'm.
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Speaker 3: Like, you're like you're just you're just making that annoying
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Speaker 3: for everybody else.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 4: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're making it like cause again, a lot
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Speaker 1: of my interactions are very good, I got I think
16:52
Speaker 1: a lot more people have been very affirming ever since
16:58
Speaker 1: that whole there's kind of a like that happened at
17:00
Speaker 1: Dragon Coon a couple of years ago with that you
17:03
Speaker 1: asked for consent, yeah, yeah, take pictures, and now a
17:06
Speaker 1: lot of people are very affirm and they're like, you
17:07
Speaker 1: look fabulous. I usually would just go look, I get
17:10
Speaker 1: you look fabulous. I don't know who you are. Can
17:12
Speaker 1: I take a picture? And I'm like, yes, you've made
17:15
Speaker 1: me feel good. That was a straightforward request, thank you.
17:19
Speaker 1: Most of them are that, but every now you get
17:22
Speaker 1: you don't know, you don't know, uh, especially if it's
17:26
Speaker 1: a good yeah yeah, yeah, I want this to be
17:32
Speaker 1: a fun time. I hope you're cool, but I don't
17:34
Speaker 1: know because I've had some bad Again.
17:36
Speaker 3: I was talking about like that guy who like I
17:39
Speaker 3: think he was well intentioned. I don't.
17:41
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say this was a craftsman.
17:42
Speaker 3: But we were like in line and he like started
17:44
Speaker 3: talking to me and he like, I don't know where
17:46
Speaker 3: we started, like oh yeah, can I buy you a drink?
17:47
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm it's like late in the day,
17:51
Speaker 3: I'm tired. I'm just trying to like grab a beer
17:55
Speaker 3: and go say with my friends for a little bit,
17:56
Speaker 3: Like I I, this is.
17:58
Speaker 4: Not the time and place. I don't know.
18:00
Speaker 3: Like I was sort of like like and also same
18:03
Speaker 3: thing where I was kind of like I don't know
18:05
Speaker 3: what to expect. You could again, like I use this
18:08
Speaker 3: could be just well, well intentioned, maybe a bit awkward,
18:12
Speaker 3: or you could say something weird the minute that I
18:16
Speaker 3: do something you don't like or whatever or yeah, And
18:19
Speaker 3: I was kind of like, great, now I have to
18:21
Speaker 3: be like, oh, like that, it's okay, actually I'm good,
18:26
Speaker 3: but thank you. I like I have to like talk
18:29
Speaker 3: you down from all that. Like now it's like an
18:30
Speaker 3: extra layer of pressure for me, which I don't want
18:32
Speaker 3: to have to deal with again. I'm just I'm tired,
18:35
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I just want to go sit with my friends.
18:39
Speaker 3: I don't want to. It's the point of the day
18:42
Speaker 3: where we're all in the quarter sitting down, just like, ah, okay,
18:45
Speaker 3: do you compress, Like.
18:46
Speaker 4: I don't want to deal with this.
18:48
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
18:51
Speaker 1: Well and Dragon Con is interesting too because most people
18:54
Speaker 1: will not most people, but a lot of people are
18:55
Speaker 1: staying in the hotels, so you'll get as they do
18:57
Speaker 1: a lot of hotel room parties. And that's just like
19:02
Speaker 1: I have never been to one because as a woman.
19:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
19:08
Speaker 1: I feel like but I've had a friend who has
19:11
Speaker 1: done it and had a good time, and she's she said,
19:14
Speaker 1: and I had a I had I met a random
19:16
Speaker 1: dude that I ended up really becoming friends with and
19:19
Speaker 1: he invited me one and I think it would have
19:21
Speaker 1: been okay, but she still don't know. Again, it makes
19:25
Speaker 1: me sad that it's like these are the considerations.
19:28
Speaker 3: I think that's it. I think it's just it makes
19:30
Speaker 3: me sad because I do again, like I I I
19:33
Speaker 3: want to I'm somebody that I really want to assume
19:35
Speaker 3: the best of people. I usually try to go into
19:38
Speaker 3: situations like being cautious but assuming the best, and like
19:41
Speaker 3: I think specifically this and I think I think yeah
19:44
Speaker 3: with with ment to like I've kind of had a
19:46
Speaker 3: personal reckoning over like the past couple of years where
19:48
Speaker 3: I've been like, okay, like let's think about like, yes,
19:51
Speaker 3: obviously I need to be cautious about like men being
19:55
Speaker 3: weird or being creepy or doing something terrible, but like
20:00
Speaker 3: I also don't want to just be terrified of interacting
20:04
Speaker 3: with men period because I'm so afraid of something bad happening.
20:06
Speaker 3: So it's like having to judge that situation in the moment,
20:09
Speaker 3: having to be ready to like get out of there.
20:13
Speaker 3: I mean, I like and luckily like for this kind
20:16
Speaker 3: of thing, I was going with friends, I was with
20:18
Speaker 3: people the entire time I was there.
20:20
Speaker 2: I was.
20:20
Speaker 3: There was a lot of there was a little bit
20:22
Speaker 3: of like running around trying to find people one of.
20:24
Speaker 2: My I had, I had a friend.
20:26
Speaker 3: Like literally there were two days straight of the two
20:28
Speaker 3: muths back and forth texting each other to try and
20:30
Speaker 3: find each other, and it ended up like the last
20:32
Speaker 3: hour the convention was open on Sunday, she like called
20:34
Speaker 3: me and was like, I am standing at the coat rack.
20:36
Speaker 3: Made me here right now, and I was like okay,
20:38
Speaker 3: but yeah, No, it was like like I was there
20:40
Speaker 3: with people I was, I had, I knew like if
20:43
Speaker 3: something happened, I'll like I'm also kind of a friend
20:47
Speaker 3: for some people where they know, like I'm not afraid
20:49
Speaker 3: to yell at somebody if need be. So there's like
20:51
Speaker 3: a couple of points where I was like, Okay, if
20:53
Speaker 3: this sends up going I'm right here.
20:55
Speaker 4: If this starts going.
20:55
Speaker 3: Weird, like just give me a signal and I'll go
20:58
Speaker 3: over and get you out of there. But yeah, it
20:59
Speaker 3: is it's like it's it's sad to have to be
21:02
Speaker 3: like what is my safety plan with all of this
21:05
Speaker 3: where it's like I literally doing like the nerdiest thing
21:10
Speaker 3: I possibly could be doing.
21:11
Speaker 5: I don't know, yeah, yeah, I think overall, as discussed,
21:29
Speaker 5: there have been a lot of strides, there's been a
21:31
Speaker 5: lot of progress with that has come sort of a
21:35
Speaker 5: backslide and now it's so popular, you we're seeing right
21:37
Speaker 5: other issues.
21:38
Speaker 2: But I do think like it's.
21:41
Speaker 1: Always every time something we get some progress, things go
21:46
Speaker 1: there's a backside.
21:47
Speaker 2: But I do think there has.
21:48
Speaker 3: There's been progress. There definitely has been and I think
21:50
Speaker 3: saying here where there also was that conversation, I think
21:53
Speaker 3: probably around the same time as drag Con, we're like
21:55
Speaker 3: there's always the little Instagram post they'll put out before
21:59
Speaker 3: com hondever or where they're like remember causeplays not consent,
22:02
Speaker 3: blah blah blahlah, all these things that they do have,
22:05
Speaker 3: you know, and again kind of going back to this
22:08
Speaker 3: this Twitch story, shout out to bridget for I'm reading
22:11
Speaker 3: entirely from her research.
22:13
Speaker 4: For this, so thank you bridget Ton.
22:15
Speaker 3: But like I think hearing that and being like this
22:18
Speaker 3: is like the some of the worst stories I've heard
22:22
Speaker 3: from this where there were like people it wasn't being
22:24
Speaker 3: taken seriously, people were not like somebody was physically assaulted
22:28
Speaker 3: in a mean great situation, and like it sounds like
22:32
Speaker 3: it was just sort of swept under the rug and
22:33
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, yeah, we're dealing with it. And
22:34
Speaker 3: then like the guy was still at other panels for
22:37
Speaker 3: some reason, like they're they're what it like that hearing
22:40
Speaker 3: that and being like, so this is the extreme of
22:41
Speaker 3: things not being taken seriously and what happens and again, yeah,
22:44
Speaker 3: you're seeing that backlash of all of these female streamers
22:47
Speaker 3: now pulling out of it and being like, I'm not
22:48
Speaker 3: gonna if this is how you're going to behave this
22:51
Speaker 3: is how you're going to treat these problems. I don't
22:53
Speaker 3: want to be involved, which I think that makes me
22:55
Speaker 3: nervous to see. Like I think we're at this tipping
22:57
Speaker 3: point right now, where like we we could backslide real quick.
23:02
Speaker 3: There's been a little bit, there's been some like trickling
23:05
Speaker 3: of behavior that's maybe worse than usual, or this could
23:10
Speaker 3: just be a fluke, and we could continue on this
23:11
Speaker 3: momentum of like things are getting better, They're gonna get better. Yes,
23:17
Speaker 3: you cannot do something about every single issue, but like
23:19
Speaker 3: there's you know, the methods to report these things, or
23:22
Speaker 3: there are people in place. I mean, I also like
23:25
Speaker 3: I'll be like I talked to a couple of the
23:27
Speaker 3: like staff members at some point too, and it sounded
23:29
Speaker 3: like they all were like exhausted too, which I don't
23:31
Speaker 3: know if that just there weren't enough people that were
23:32
Speaker 3: working there or they had two in your responsibility. I
23:34
Speaker 3: mean like there was a point where I was like
23:36
Speaker 3: in line to go get like a water or something,
23:38
Speaker 3: and there was a woman behind me who was like,
23:39
Speaker 3: oh shit, Like she started like freak handle, but she's
23:41
Speaker 3: like I need to go back to my shift, and
23:42
Speaker 3: I was like here, like go in front of me,
23:44
Speaker 3: like stop in line in front of me like that.
23:45
Speaker 4: I totally understand that.
23:46
Speaker 3: Also, that's awful that like you literally do not have
23:49
Speaker 3: enough time to get lunch on your lunch break because
23:53
Speaker 3: of how much we're having to work, which is a
23:55
Speaker 3: bigger issue too, also about like you know, how ploys
23:58
Speaker 3: are treated at any sort of convention, like a whole
24:01
Speaker 3: other conversation. But yeah, it's like like the there's again
24:06
Speaker 3: there to tipping point. I think we could continue down
24:09
Speaker 3: this path of like things improving and things getting better
24:12
Speaker 3: at it being safer for people, or they could backslide
24:15
Speaker 3: real quick.
24:15
Speaker 4: And I really hope that is not what ends up happening.
24:18
Speaker 2: I do as well. I do as well again, thank
24:23
Speaker 2: you so much for being here. I could keep going and.
24:26
Speaker 3: This podcast is going to turn into U y comic
24:31
Speaker 3: con commentary our favorite Star Wars cosplays.
24:35
Speaker 1: Yes, I would be so down, I would be so
24:43
Speaker 1: well before we get into that, where can the good
24:47
Speaker 1: listeners find.
24:47
Speaker 3: To Yeah, you can find other other things that I
24:52
Speaker 3: do again on There Are No Girls on the Internet
24:54
Speaker 3: with Bridget Todd I. It is a bi weekly show
24:59
Speaker 3: The Relea Tuesdays and Fridays.
25:02
Speaker 4: I mostly work on the Friday episodes.
25:04
Speaker 3: If you were interested in hearing that Twitch story that
25:06
Speaker 3: I was talking about, it was the episode from October
25:08
Speaker 3: twenty fourth. You can also I work on like a
25:11
Speaker 3: number of the outspoken shows here at I Heeart so
25:13
Speaker 3: you can also hear my work on Outlaws with Ys
25:16
Speaker 3: Madison and also at the Black Bat Bem podcast.
25:19
Speaker 4: If you want to find.
25:20
Speaker 3: Me online, you can find me at patnt Pratt on Instagram.
25:26
Speaker 3: I guess because it's relevant, I'll plug my TikTok too.
25:28
Speaker 3: My TikTok is hot topic, Dad, I have not been
25:31
Speaker 3: using it as much lately, but I don't know. Send
25:33
Speaker 3: a follow over.
25:34
Speaker 1: I don't know, and if you sell Joey in consplay
25:38
Speaker 1: at Comic Con, you.
25:39
Speaker 3: Could see by, you could see bike. Yeah, if you
25:41
Speaker 3: saw me at comic Con, please send me pictures because
25:44
Speaker 3: I can't even be like, oh, I don't have enough
25:46
Speaker 3: pictures of me because I did make like my friends
25:49
Speaker 3: take a bazillion pictures of me and like different poses
25:52
Speaker 3: and stuff.
25:53
Speaker 4: But you know, I can always have more photos of myself.
25:56
Speaker 3: You can never have enough photos of yourself, especially in cosplay.
26:00
Speaker 4: Especially in cosplay.
26:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never get any good photos. It's the saddest thing.
26:05
Speaker 1: And you know, the like one of those sometimes wonderful
26:09
Speaker 1: sad thing about being disco Luke Skywalker is no one
26:12
Speaker 1: knows what it is except like maybe five people, and
26:14
Speaker 1: so I can't even search a tag.
26:16
Speaker 3: But everybody that does know what it is, it's like.
26:19
Speaker 2: Best thing they ever.
26:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I can't say there's no nothing I could
26:22
Speaker 1: search other than like usually people that I'm wonder Woman
26:25
Speaker 1: or the Golden Snitch.
26:26
Speaker 2: And this year I got a wrestler. I don't know who.
26:29
Speaker 1: It was interesting, but yeah, so I never get any
26:34
Speaker 1: people take a bunch of pictures. I'm like, I'll never
26:36
Speaker 1: see that. I'll never see that one.
26:38
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's not I think I always will either
26:43
Speaker 3: do like a really obscure character or like a very
26:45
Speaker 3: popular character where I'm like, this is just gonna get buried,
26:47
Speaker 3: and like I'm sure if I look up like by
26:50
Speaker 3: Cosplay New York Comics, there were like, yeah, three hundred
26:54
Speaker 3: other people in that costume. Like I'm not gonna find myself.
26:57
Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, fun stuff stuff please. Yes, Well,
27:03
Speaker 3: hopefully we'll get to talk more about this soon, and
27:07
Speaker 3: we are. We're trying to get Joey in on our
27:10
Speaker 3: final Twilight viewing extravaganza, so hopefully that will happen.
27:16
Speaker 4: I will be there, It will happen.
27:18
Speaker 3: Yes again, am I somebody who's good at planning things
27:23
Speaker 3: in advance?
27:24
Speaker 4: No, will it happen?
27:26
Speaker 3: Probably there's a good chance it's gonna happen, so I
27:29
Speaker 3: say it will.
27:30
Speaker 1: I think we all want it enough that it will
27:32
Speaker 1: happen in one way or another.
27:37
Speaker 2: But I'm so looking forward to that. And thank you
27:39
Speaker 2: again for being here.
27:41
Speaker 3: Of course, anytime, do my Samantha and Prussia next time
27:45
Speaker 3: for the entire episode?
27:47
Speaker 4: How long it takes before.
27:48
Speaker 2: We should hear her voice?
27:49
Speaker 3: She's got a good like.
27:52
Speaker 2: Halloween voice, right, now.
27:54
Speaker 3: Oh no, Samantha, wherever you are, feel better.
27:58
Speaker 2: Thanks.
27:58
Speaker 4: Halloween is rough.
28:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh. I actually got swine flu on
28:04
Speaker 1: Halloween in college ones and now every Halloween and I
28:08
Speaker 1: was quarantined, And now every Halloween I eat macaroni and
28:11
Speaker 1: cheese because that's the first thing I could eat on Halloween,
28:14
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my gosh, I can finally
28:17
Speaker 1: eat again.
28:20
Speaker 3: Anyway, it was I like the year that swine flu
28:23
Speaker 3: there was like the swine flu epidemic. Yeah, because I
28:25
Speaker 3: think I also, I don't think it was on Halloween,
28:27
Speaker 3: but I had swine flu like during the fall that year.
28:30
Speaker 4: I was in elementary school at the time.
28:32
Speaker 3: But.
28:33
Speaker 2: Well I was in college.
28:39
Speaker 3: That was the time. That was the time I forgot
28:41
Speaker 3: I Sometimes I'm like, oh, oh yeah, there was like
28:43
Speaker 3: a whole other that happened.
28:45
Speaker 6: But it was yeah, because I remember the moment being like,
28:48
Speaker 6: how this is crazy that I got this this illness.
28:52
Speaker 6: This is like I'm part of a cultural moment. And
28:54
Speaker 6: then of course COVID had to Like COVID came in.
28:56
Speaker 6: It was like, oh, that was a funny little quarantine
28:59
Speaker 6: you had. Then let's look at this one.
29:04
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Anyway, I hope every all your listeners
29:08
Speaker 1: are well.
29:08
Speaker 2: This house.
29:09
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I hope.
29:10
Speaker 3: Nobody is sick. I'm so sorry. It's rely is the
29:12
Speaker 3: worst time to I always get sick the weekend after Halloween,
29:17
Speaker 3: but like that's the I'm hoping it'll hold off until then.
29:21
Speaker 1: This year, we'll see, you know, Jack and Con has
29:23
Speaker 1: what we call the kon crud.
29:25
Speaker 3: The con crud. Yeah, yeah, we got that two. I didn't.
29:28
Speaker 3: I somehow didn't get it this year, knock on one.
29:31
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but I did have a friend
29:34
Speaker 3: who like had made a TikTok about it and was like,
29:36
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm waiting until I get sick. And then
29:39
Speaker 3: the next day I got sick. So I'm like, I'm
29:40
Speaker 3: just I'm just not saying anything. I'm not gonna jinx it.
29:42
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
29:43
Speaker 2: No.
29:44
Speaker 3: Yeah again, I've somehow once again, this is my month
29:47
Speaker 3: of being out in public and costumes almost every weekend,
29:52
Speaker 3: every weekend, not almost every weekend every weekend. So knock
29:56
Speaker 3: on one, my immune system will will hold up at
29:59
Speaker 3: least next four days.
30:02
Speaker 2: But we'll see. Yeah.
30:04
Speaker 1: I used to think it's because a lot of the
30:06
Speaker 1: characters that cosplayed had clubs and a mask, and maybe
30:09
Speaker 1: that's why.
30:09
Speaker 2: I didn't get it.
30:10
Speaker 3: Well that's what I was I was excited to do
30:12
Speaker 3: when I told her this year, because I was like,
30:13
Speaker 3: I can just mask and not Yeah. Yeah.
30:18
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any truth to that at all,
30:20
Speaker 1: but let's say, who is to say, alright, alright, well, yes,
30:27
Speaker 1: happy Halloween, Happy Halloween. I know it's already happened by
30:30
Speaker 1: the time you listen to this, but hopefully it's good.
30:32
Speaker 4: It could still be Halloween.
30:34
Speaker 3: I have a lot of people who.
30:35
Speaker 2: Are doing next weekend, the weekend after Halloween.
30:37
Speaker 3: There's this one guy on TikTok that I always see.
30:39
Speaker 3: He's very funny, but he made a video being like,
30:41
Speaker 3: why Halloween is one day this year? Should I shouldn't
30:44
Speaker 3: be happy to go to Halloween parties on November first?
30:46
Speaker 3: Screw that. I want to go to Halloween parties like
30:49
Speaker 3: through Thanksgiving, all of the Halloween parties. I don't who
30:55
Speaker 3: who wants there to be less Halloween parties. I was
30:58
Speaker 3: so excited that Halloween's a Friday this year, so I
31:00
Speaker 3: have like, yeah, November, I am going to a November
31:02
Speaker 3: first Halloween party, and I'm very excited about it. Let's
31:05
Speaker 3: go open that weekend as well. You know exactly you
31:09
Speaker 3: want there to be less Halloween.
31:12
Speaker 4: What's there to be less Halloween?
31:14
Speaker 2: Not me?
31:14
Speaker 3: By holiday?
31:15
Speaker 2: It is agreed, hard agree. Perhaps this is part of
31:20
Speaker 2: why we like cosplaying.
31:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know no common themes on this episode at all,
31:25
Speaker 3: totally not Yeah, And.
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