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Did KeyForge Just Redesign EVERYTHING? New House Logos in Prophetic Visions EXPLAINED! · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: I had a dream last night with.
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  Speaker 2: The same last pages will go Selson. Lord, Oh it's
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  Speaker 2: your joc change your yard home?
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  Speaker 3: Oh really, Sa.
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  Speaker 1: Francisco, I haven't hit the star recording button. He comes
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  Speaker 1: whenever he comes. But what's going on? Everybody? I am
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  Speaker 1: I'm the one, the only w O. Okay, I e
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  Speaker 1: joined here by my normal cast of misfits. We have
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  Speaker 1: the jazz bar himself, dras Boar, Hey, guys, the PhD
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  Speaker 1: of key Forge, Doctor m sheet Hell, and the Ewalkist
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  Speaker 1: of Ewoks.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, Keyboard community. Glad to be here and talk some
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  Speaker 4: HPV with you. I mean PV.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. H PV is exactly what the set is
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  Speaker 1: because not only is it not good, it also commits
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  Speaker 1: war crimes. So you're hoping for one of those sets
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  Speaker 1: that commits war crimes. Yeah, we'll talk more about this later.
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  Speaker 1: It's a very odd set, like it's not it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's okay, but there are some houses that do commit
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  Speaker 1: war crimes like this. But we got a TRG and
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  Speaker 1: play it. This is pretty good, way better than you
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  Speaker 1: guys said.
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  Speaker 4: We'll talk more about that, we'll go back.
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  Speaker 1: But let's talk about the TRG and the rule book
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  Speaker 1: update Sheep. What was updated today?
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  Speaker 5: Well, the TRG had as far as I can see,
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  Speaker 5: one line in it, and that's PV. So PV goes
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  Speaker 5: legal fourteen days from now for top line competitive play,
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  Speaker 5: which means Baltimore, we can play PV if we want, YEP,
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  Speaker 5: which means we might also see PV sealed there, which.
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  Speaker 1: Right in the fourth that will be legal. So a
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  Speaker 1: week before Baltimore.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, So happy Eve of Portland for everyone who is
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  Speaker 4: going to that, because there is a Vault tour this week.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody going to Portland. How many people are going?
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  Speaker 3: Sevenmon Mammon's in Portland, mad And there is on the
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  Speaker 3: plane right now because his flight was delayed because of
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  Speaker 3: the storms here.
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  Speaker 4: But it is also it is a spot that is
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  Speaker 4: accessible for many individuals on the West Coast, so it will.
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  Speaker 5: There will be some more wolves there, Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a bunch of a b
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  Speaker 1: R folks there. There's gonna be a bunch of repout
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  Speaker 1: folks there. So I think we're on the street. This
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  Speaker 1: is gonna be folks there. I think it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: more than Roseville.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, if Wookie isn't going, he thinks nobody else.
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  Speaker 1: Is nobody is going that's true because there is only
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  Speaker 1: the lookie like a Kesha song, the party don't stop
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  Speaker 1: until I walk in.
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  Speaker 4: Well, speaking speaking of speaking of a b R, there
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  Speaker 4: are some sign ups.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, ABR sign ups going on now. I don't
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  Speaker 6: know how much longer they're going for, So get in
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  Speaker 6: there quickly and sign up and let's uh.
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  Speaker 1: Rock and roll.
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  Speaker 6: There'll be some PV play, there'll be some non PV play.
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  Speaker 1: It'll uh.
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  Speaker 6: It's always fun team based league where you are, you know,
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  Speaker 6: drafting onto a team with some other folks, get to
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  Speaker 6: chat about formats and decks and just have a good time.
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  Speaker 6: So it's like casual and competitive at the same time.
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  Speaker 6: It's a great balance.
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  Speaker 5: So I put a note of mind that I'll only
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  Speaker 5: work with certain captains well o.
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  Speaker 1: Pride clause in your agreement. Oh except except bribes. Oh
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  Speaker 1: all right, Well, we got some arguing to do for
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  Speaker 1: the first little bit.
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  Speaker 5: Now we got to go back to the rules this.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's got to go to the rules first.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, who's doing this? Am I going through this fast? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there really wasn't.
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  Speaker 4: So then you can complain less to us.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I thought I thought we'd went over it
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  Speaker 1: something in my high mindset. We already went over it.
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  Speaker 5: Now what else did they There's some wording for infinite
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  Speaker 5: loops that doesn't make a significant change, some wording changes
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  Speaker 5: on prophecies and fulfilling that doesn't make a significant change
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  Speaker 5: for the way we've been playing. The fourth key now
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  Speaker 5: has a color. It's colorless.
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  Speaker 1: Oh lord, do you have.
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  Speaker 5: To forge all your colored keys first? But they did
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  Speaker 5: not address the rule that yellow key plus one doesn't seem.
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  Speaker 1: To do anything until next set.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's a crustical clash thing. So it's ultimately meaningless anyways,
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  Speaker 5: like I said, next set, and then they did fa
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  Speaker 5: q in uh unity prism to where it does work
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  Speaker 5: on turn one. So if you have unity Prism in
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  Speaker 5: your hand on the play, that as your alpha will
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  Speaker 5: let you play three more cards, so that, as we
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  Speaker 5: will talk about later, has brought that card's value up some.
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  Speaker 1: Why would one was key let you do? Well, will
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  Speaker 1: read it and then maybe IT'LLOK. I don't know why
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do that before.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there was some there was summer disagreement, and then
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  Speaker 5: the Regatha card, which seemed really weird because it said, like,
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  Speaker 5: after your opponent's creatures, after they reaped, they do three
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  Speaker 5: damage to their neighbors. Now it just says after I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, it says something.
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  Speaker 6: After animate creature reads the premage each of Aragatha's neighbors. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: so wasn't it like it's or something? So it like
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  Speaker 6: was unclear as to who it was and they I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, I actually have to pull it up. I'm
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  Speaker 6: not sure if that's right.
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  Speaker 5: It's a relatively low impact one digging up the monster
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  Speaker 5: the FAQ to where you can pull two halves of
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  Speaker 5: different gigantics for your double gigantic decks.
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  Speaker 6: And they fixed the text on sample forty two C.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that's the other one, sample for two.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They stupidly put a period, right, so just always purged
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  Speaker 1: itself and didn't work.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so puctuation matters.
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 5: There isn't really there was not anything really important here
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  Speaker 5: outside of clearly, in my opinion, clearly explaining unity unity prism.
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  Speaker 5: The rest of these rules are not majorly impactful, man,
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  Speaker 5: But I mean, everybody knew what that was supposed to do, can.
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  Speaker 4: We I'm holding up a sign now instead of bring
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  Speaker 4: Mars back I really want Jane the barred Sanctum creature
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  Speaker 4: to be actually fixed after our games today. It does
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  Speaker 4: not need to say scrap exalt to friendly creatures.
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  Speaker 1: We all I'm almost positive, I'm almost positive that should
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  Speaker 1: have said fate. Yeah, they screwed up.
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  Speaker 4: That's that's that's my sign. That's what we're proposing right now.
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  Speaker 1: Just change it.
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  Speaker 4: If we're changing this, do it right, man?
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  Speaker 1: Man? But what man? So every time we release a
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  Speaker 1: set there's a half a dozen goddamn changes.
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  Speaker 4: You mean that actually looking over cards.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jesus just pays someone. Stop using a community member
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  Speaker 1: to read over hundreds of cards who also have like us. Well,
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  Speaker 1: no like, but it's not mores like us. It's people
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  Speaker 1: like we have jobs outside of doing just this, so.
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  Speaker 5: Like it would bove you the problem.
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem. The problem is that rules are very
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  Speaker 1: very vague, and they haven't made a card collection that
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  Speaker 1: work cohesively together.
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  Speaker 5: They make changes and write stuff, and they don't even
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  Speaker 5: have it go through any testing, let alone community member testing.
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  Speaker 5: It's just that got changed and that's how it is now.
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  Speaker 1: Like, man, we're almost that's the point where this game is.
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  Speaker 1: If you are a new player coming in it is
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  Speaker 1: so difficult to play with the amount of like FAQ's
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  Speaker 1: that are in there. Okay, faq is for like magic
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  Speaker 1: or you the other game.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty big, but because everything gets eliminated, it's like,
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  Speaker 5: don't you remember? And even in third edition they had
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  Speaker 5: like a like a whatever was one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 5: two d page book of here's all the explanations how
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  Speaker 5: magic actually works because it was so convoluted.
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  Speaker 1: Well, anyways, anyway.
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  Speaker 4: I've done rules, They've done they've done rules bookie, what
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  Speaker 4: did you do after I left last week Thursday? There's
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  Speaker 4: pictures of Wookie very like focused in artistic pictures of
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  Speaker 4: young Wookie and our ac live show note you found those,
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  Speaker 4: but but but afterwards I left and free boob pick,
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  Speaker 4: free boob pick, free boob pick. Then our drinking team, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: keyboardge after Dark Keyboards after Dark, bull Tour, dazz Core Experience,
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  Speaker 4: and then more free boob picks times three, and then
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  Speaker 4: there's a sweet Wookie with.
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  Speaker 1: The I have a bubble beer beard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah bubble beard. So now we're all brought up to speed.
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  Speaker 4: But yes, I agree, Pete.
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  Speaker 1: So number one, these these are artistic pictures. My wife
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  Speaker 1: had taken the board picks, the bois. Yes, all of
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  Speaker 1: those ladies, all of those ladies. Aren't you jealous?
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  Speaker 3: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: No? The the two black and white ones were for
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  Speaker 1: my wife's photography class because she is a professional photographer.
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  Speaker 1: Uh the free boot picks. Remember are the sleeves that
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to be making for Baltimore? Oh? The ones
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  Speaker 1: that won't?
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  Speaker 4: Can we place an over under whether these sleeves will
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  Speaker 4: make it in time?
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know. Amazon says they should be here Amazon, Amazon, Yeah,
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: you can do it on Amazon. Now. You know you
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  Speaker 1: can buy dragon through Dragon Shield on Amazon. No are you?
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  Speaker 4: Are you giving up our full alternate art at Baltimore?
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: Now? I am so. I have bought also from Amazon.
• 9:54
  Speaker 1: I've bought Sharpies to cross out Roosevelt and put Baltimore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they are really sweet. And then you can
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  Speaker 1: have Sheep and Jazz courts sign them if you like,
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: because they're there and they're cool. All right? Should we
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: get into the arguments from last night?
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  Speaker 6: The way I'm just looking at the credits for Prothetic
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  Speaker 6: Visions and Expansion Design and Development. Michael Hurley, yay, Luke Olsen, Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: Christian T. Peterson Okay, he was not in any of
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  Speaker 6: the previous ones, but he's credited as a design and
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  Speaker 6: development guy for Prophetic Visions.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe he looked over and wrote a check on this one. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't to us for all the ideas we've given,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, yeah, is what it is. All right,
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: let's get into the arguments from next week or from
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  Speaker 1: last week, because me and ewok, according to Sheep, don't
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  Speaker 1: know what the fuck we're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: All right, thank you for donation, you're welcome, and you're
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  Speaker 4: just wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And I no, no, no, no explanation, no talk to
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  Speaker 1: be had, just you're wrong. Yep. So which one we
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  Speaker 1: can do? You want to start with atrocity? Where do
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  Speaker 1: we put a tricity out atrocity? I thought we put
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  Speaker 1: it a five. No, atrocity is a four tricity. We
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  Speaker 1: put it a four, okay, or it's a six. Pretty
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  Speaker 1: it's a four pretty good, guys, it is pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: But it is a three power creature. You need other
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  Speaker 1: cards to defend it to make it better.
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  Speaker 6: And I think random house, right at least once that's
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  Speaker 6: that's already pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, but this is.
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  Speaker 4: This is it's a random house, but it still has
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  Speaker 4: one third of the chance that it was the house
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  Speaker 4: that you're gonna call.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, So here's like.
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  Speaker 5: Saying rest of gunsters isn't good because you guess wrong.
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  Speaker 1: Well, rest and guts isn't good when you guessed wrong. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you can actually guess.
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  Speaker 3: You have.
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  Speaker 5: You guys have like you guys have switched this where
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  Speaker 5: like if the card isn't one hundred percent perfect every
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  Speaker 5: time you play it, it's not a six.
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  Speaker 1: And that's so Now. The original thought I always thought
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  Speaker 1: about the Z scoring was that you take the card
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  Speaker 1: and isolation, no other cards, just the cards. So just
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  Speaker 1: the card, atrocity and isolation. I can be talked into
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  Speaker 1: a five, I cannot be after seeing it in play.
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  Speaker 1: I can be talked into a five. I cannot be
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  Speaker 1: talked into a six.
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  Speaker 5: Well, wight the.
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  Speaker 1: Just say I brought you to have a fucking reason.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna says that it is allowed. I will pay
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  Speaker 4: his fine.
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  Speaker 5: Because Z score is more about do you want the card?
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  Speaker 5: Is the card?
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  Speaker 1: Are you searching out decks with atrocity in it? Yes?
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  Speaker 1: Can you have more than one a trict yes? Maybe
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  Speaker 1: the answer is no, you cannot have a deck with board.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there are anything. I thought we did
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  Speaker 1: a search for this, but I believe you.
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  Speaker 5: Look, we did look that up.
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  Speaker 1: So anyways, yes, so that one that's.
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  Speaker 6: A really good one is ell.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, hold.
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  Speaker 1: So do we want to bump atrocity to a five?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
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  Speaker 4: Just so you aware, atrocity cannot come with two you
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  Speaker 4: are limited to it is a one only and that exists.
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  Speaker 4: Is it a card that we search out for? Yes, again,
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  Speaker 4: I can be talking too.
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  Speaker 5: Five.
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  Speaker 4: But it does not make it an automatic six enough
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  Speaker 4: of a swing to change the tide of the skit.
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  Speaker 4: It is a control card. But will it automatically change
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: the tide of the game. It will randomly if you
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  Speaker 4: hit right.
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  Speaker 5: Well, well, and there is way to stack cards a
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  Speaker 5: little bit, maybe not so much on your opponent's.
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  Speaker 1: Stack yours, But that is sil is sybil waymre a
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  Speaker 1: six then no.
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  Speaker 5: Because it doesn't have the same kind of effect it
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  Speaker 5: tamps down all the creatures of that house. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 5: it's way more. It's way more like, uh, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: a five. We've lived on from there now.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that there was actually some discussion and it
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  Speaker 4: was not This was something that was average to be
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  Speaker 4: that four. But again, five I think it's atrocity, and
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  Speaker 4: I think that is appropriate. Right, let's should be a six,
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  Speaker 4: because otherwise we'll hear all about how we talked slow
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  Speaker 4: for the first little bit of time.
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  Speaker 5: You guys spent nine minutes on the first card and
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  Speaker 5: it was a bad card.
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  Speaker 1: It's JJ's art card.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking art and Mammon was on. So did
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  Speaker 4: you know that was JJ's card.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: I listen to you guys like you you are nine minutes?
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, drazz you because that's that's your that's
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: your local but cheap, did you? Honestly?
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  Speaker 1: Our team looked at the art.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so that's what.
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  Speaker 1: It had to give them.
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  Speaker 6: But three is fine, Okay, what the grace like, friendly
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  Speaker 6: creature like in this set, all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think well, I think three is right, but
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: in the set it ends up being higher because the
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: sea is so garbo. This card is actually important.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: We could leave it in three. But yeah, all right,
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  Speaker 1: what's the next one? Is that the next one we
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  Speaker 1: got to go to?
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  Speaker 4: That?
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  Speaker 1: Are you going to tell us it's wrong? No?
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead, talk about so so if you
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  Speaker 5: have your atrocity down and you.
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  Speaker 1: Just play.
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  Speaker 5: Car okay, So lock alone is every turn you get
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  Speaker 5: to use. It is creature control like and not destroy
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: creature control. This is bounce creature control, so it gets
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: around all of the amber sacking stuff that's.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Going on with Detroy effects.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, notice no destroyed effects. So that is super strong.
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  Speaker 5: Plus it's effectively Skippy time Hog that lasts forever.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm you know which is? You can just why
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  Speaker 1: we had it at five? What was what was Skippy time.
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  Speaker 5: Skip?
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  Speaker 4: Skippy doesn't last, Okay, so explain why it's a six,
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  Speaker 4: and we're going to counter with why it's a five.
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  Speaker 5: You guys, if I can't have it in my own hand,
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  Speaker 5: it can't be a six.
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  Speaker 4: It's not even at certain times.
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  Speaker 5: And there's still a six because they totally warp games
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  Speaker 5: when they do work, which.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: Makes them but to always work.
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  Speaker 4: That's where the question no, because even Eaton's Jar doesn't
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: always work.
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  Speaker 1: Yes it does. It will always take away a carse
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  Speaker 1: when it comes out late. It didn't matter because that's
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: how it starts coming out late.
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  Speaker 5: That's how the game works. If the card doesn't come
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  Speaker 5: out when you need it, it's worth zero every single time.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: But is Eaton's Jar goes ahead and will at least
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  Speaker 4: on play have an impact.
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  Speaker 5: On the card.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true.
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  Speaker 4: That is that's where the difference is. I love you,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not meaningful when it's late or.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Doesn't stop me. I can still go into that house
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  Speaker 1: if I want to. I can still play artifacts and actions.
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  Speaker 1: I can still progress through my deck to make a
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  Speaker 1: hand and find the answer if my deck has se answer.
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  Speaker 5: If your deck has that answer, and if you don't,
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  Speaker 5: you may never get to use your board, which, if
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: it's critical to you, is huge. It also shuts down
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: like you guys miss it shuts down artifacts. Use artifacts.
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  Speaker 5: If I capture one of the creatures, right, you can't
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  Speaker 5: use those critical artifacts like this card has so much
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  Speaker 5: tech value into it.
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  Speaker 1: It is I will see, I will see.
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  Speaker 4: I will say that we had missed on the artifact,
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  Speaker 4: but I will stand behind this being a five. It
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: has real versatility and being able to pull a creature
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: from a board that's there. But it is slow, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that is the reason that we bumped it to a five.
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: And we stand behind that because if.
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: You get it, and you can stand behind whatever you want,
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: because the scoring system is totally fake now and the
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: person who had.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Actually it was always fake. But yes, yes.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: Which is why it's which is why it's called Z
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: score because it was Z thing and I definitely traditionally
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: did much better at Z scoring you guys, I'm telling
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: you this stuff do you want in your deck? Which
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: is what makes them sick.
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: Let's let's back up to that statement. I consistently did
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: much better at scoring cards than you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: Guys.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: What type of statement is that? That's very like that?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: That is just not okay.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: For you talk to the about how to score things
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: and go through it. My scores are much.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: More I think we should score.
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, it's ok to be wrong, guys, you're just wrong.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: No, no, this soul lock. If you go like I
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: hear what you're saying, I'm just gonna let the other
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: old comment go because it's not going to help anything.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: The vision that you have for yourself is amazing. But
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: let's talk soul lock because that's what we're here for. Yes,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: we just talked no no, no, no no no for
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: soul lock. What is missed is that it requires you
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: to play it and then come back to it for
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: an act. So how the card works, Well, you're not
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: explaining anything new.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: To me here. Your then your say, isn't one of
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: the best cards in the set the cards that you
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: want in your deck, because I may not get it
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: early enough for it to be good.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: And this is where we talk again a card in
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: the game. This is where we talked again on Tuesday.
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: So if your definition hold on, If your definition for
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: the z score or whatever we're gonna call it drass score,
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: is the drazz scoring.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Now whatever this.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Is, If it is simple, if it is simply based
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: on cards I want in my decks, that is a
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: very different process. And that's where I said, there's a
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: different than understanding.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: What is the what is how are you deciding if
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: it's a five or six? If it isn't based off
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: of you want any deck, because there is no other
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: metric that is used in defining the car like you're
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: talking about, which is all metrics based off of if
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: it has a much strength, it gets this many points,
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: and if it can reap it gets this, and then
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: we do the re value and we make a value
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: based off and there's all these metrics.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: Those are those like.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: Do you want the card or don't you want the
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: car card? Or is it a bad card?
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: Those again are are card all on one second. No,
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: those are all humans that are going ahead and deciding
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: this for.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: It's the same.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing, but in this case, we're looking
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: at my definition for a six again, was that s
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: tier where it's going to have an impact every single
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: time it plays? And in order to be a six,
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: it has to have an impact every single time it plays,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: and this card does not have an impact on play.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I have to come back to it. So if it
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: is in the middle to late, I'm getting very very
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: little value out of it, which makes it a five.
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: It's a phenomenal card, but it is not a saying.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: What you are saying. I'm telling you I think you're wrong.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: You're telling me you think I'm wrong. This conversation is done.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm telling you is that the definition
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: of what we're scoring on is actually different.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Here's the deal. The problem.
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: If we are scoring you say I am you are
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: saying I am saying you are wrong. You are saying
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I'm wrong. We're not going to agree.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: So it's here's the question.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I'm actually you're not saying that you're wrong. I'm saying
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: how we're evaluating it is different, and that's important to know.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: So again, just slow down and think for a second.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: To think about here this is done. To move on.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: Absolute gold. Welcome to this week's episode of Old Grumpy
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Men are going over imaginary numbers. All right, so here's
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a good friends we'll do.
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: But we've talked about it multiple times. But it matters
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: for everything else.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Right, it does. So let's let's stop. We've all we've
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: all given it our score. You you two disagree, and
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: it's five. So now the question is when we have
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: when we have a decimal, do we round up or
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: do we round down?
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: We do, right because I think it's a five, he
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: thinks it's a five. You both, I'm assuming dras cors.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: You're saying six, six, sheep is saying six. So now
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it comes down to when we have that decimal, because
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: we only work in whole numbers, do we round up
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: or do we round down? Give five and it rounds down? Well, no,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: if you and I put it as fives and they
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: both put it at six, it comes up to five
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: point five if you average. That's fine. Man, could be
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: the tiber.
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: I would just I would just like to make a
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: couple of quick points in my favor. Since you walk
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: wants to argue control the week. A six most of
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: the time.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Has immediate impact when played, it has an impact on day.
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: You may also call the wrong house and just call
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: right into him because we've all done it.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That's called.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: But it has an impact on play good not going
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: color of subordination.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: Trust might just be a discard because they have no creatures.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: Library access is a six. All right, let's talk about
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: half the time scorpion, Yes, I do, I want to
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: talk about scorpio.
• 24:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so enhanced disc pip something something something, So it's
• 24:41
  Speaker 6: at least a four.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: If not a command was a six, I would have
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: never given that a six.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: And why are we giving scorpion of four?
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: Because it's got an enhancement, the house enhancement on it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: There's so few like the rest of the text. I mean,
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: it's fine, but like, I don't see how you can
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: give it a two with a house pip on it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I bump up. House enhancements have proven to be such
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a so good. They can be so good and yet
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: so bad all the same time.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: So inconsistent.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That's that's like my eye for an eye this week
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that had a fucking drow hip, Like what a waste,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: you're welcome, well, you know, I mean, it's such a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: you lose some and you win some like I don't
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: know I and there's only like one card perfection that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: gives it now.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: So so what we were really looking at is that
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: when you can stack them from amber skies, that's where
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the value is really coming in. I could easily be
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: talked into here's a two two three, But the short
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: answer is that I think the value has really gone
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: down with it.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, and it only gives it's a lottery, it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: gives me one like it could as land on that
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: amazing thing, right, it could mean my solock.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: So I can fire it in two different houses.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: You got it? You could fire it in two different
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: houses or a much better card called traumatic Echo, which
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I want to I don't know who rated that, but that.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Kind of if it, if it helps stras, I can
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: put it at a three as a modification there.
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: But I you know what I'm I actually don't fully
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: dis disagree with you, guys, Like the value of a
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: house PIP is unfortunately so hard to define, and they're
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: so often a miss that they just don't end up
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: providing you put a ton of value. But I think.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: I think just leaving them as our traditional four is fine,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: all right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: What was the other one? We missed? What you said?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: One was one?
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: You?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: What are you throwing? Because they have four?
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Four?
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Three?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Oh for for scorpion?
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: Scorpion?
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: What did I put it at a three last time? Yeah?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick it at a two like it's just
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it doesn't tickle my pickle. I had a house enhancement.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I had a house enhancement this week in my deck.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: It did fucking nothing.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: Oh man, you are one today?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Right? They can be useful, They absolutely can be useful.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know about all that. I don't know what
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: would you rather have?
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Drop it's pretty dope, but any any other Pip's pretty dope?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: All right? Sure? But you know anything of value? Hold on?
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: What did we rate traumatic? I don't like Eddy of this?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Oh Eddie, this is so good?
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: So Eddy of this is a three? There's often it's fine.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna complain to you. Oh my goodness, that's
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: that's mind fire value. Sheep. What did I do to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: you this week? At our local? Sealed?
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: You?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: I for an eye and then I additive discs I
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: did that a few times. It was a good It
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: was a good time had by probably just me. But
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I like any of this and Traumatic Echo. Traumatic Echo
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is probably one of the more busted cards than this.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: Traumatic Echo is good. Yeah, I don't I don't know what.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: We rated it a four?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a I think that's a six. I mean
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: now we're just throwing sixes around. Well after playing with
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it this week, right, this is a lifeboard. This is
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: a stealth mode. What our lifeboard and stealth mode? Yeah,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and not only that card from my discard pile.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Summon you to tell us what lifeboard is scoring.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Oh look he just sent me the sheet. I don't
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: know what it is.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I'm looking life lifeboard was.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know it was a four?
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: What was it? For the go? But the cancel actions
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: are sixes.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But this is a lifeboard that doesn't take a turn
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to pop like this is an immediate lifeboard. You canno
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: this card is a.
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: Five or six? I agree. It is super disruptive and
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: you know what the thing is is even to some
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: extent lifeboard in the sets that Lifeboard came in, it's
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: a four. Now lifeboard has got more value than it
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: ever had because so many, so many, so much more
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: creature garbage. So yes, I with cards like atrocity and
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: the new that you underscored to destroyed them all plus
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: hand disruption card.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Which one is that one?
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: I put it in the thing that's Remy they had
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: major issue with.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: It's pretty good, that's like.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: And then a couple of these traumatics like you purge
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: out your other houses and you just stay and diss
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: and you destroy. Yeah, it's really good.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, an eye is if it sticks, it's just brutal.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I can give Remy Horror a five. I'm fine with that.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Destroy, destroy, We put it out four.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Destroy and artifact and perjerandom card for your opponent's hand.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: I mean you can hit yourself with this.
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, I I'm you know, if you want to
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: give it a five.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: All right, he's the all important sheep here, then we
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: are fine. All praise sheep, all praise sheep.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: That is correct, all right, now that we made it
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: right all the time back through our discs.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: I mean these kinds of things, yes, yes, I am
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: all right.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, this punch I'd use it right now
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: to punch you in the face.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: We moved a Lojos. We're ready to move to Lojos. Okay,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: let's let's move to the Ghosts of the Low. The
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Ghost of the Low. Oh okay. We start out with
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Designer Crick three Power two Armor Human Scientist. Each time
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: your opponent discard is a card from their hand draw
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: card and Designer Creek captures one. So which one is Krik?
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: By the way, we don't know the dreads dude or
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: the like the slightly bald chick.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: I'm going I'm going with it is our beautiful, beautiful redhead.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: You think, Okay, yes, the one who's cheating off the
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: other one. Yeah, because.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Designing, I mean I was really thinking it was taking
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: your cast off and drawing sounds good. This card is.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: My mom told me never to marry a redhead, and
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: then I did. It was my fault.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: This this card is Where does this card sit? Like
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: you said, it's much better obviously because there's not much
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: for discard in this in this set. But every time
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: they discard a card, you get to draw and capture.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: And it's got a three two, you know, like this
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: is what a three or a four kind of card.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is, it is. It's some matchups. It's not
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: going to matter some matchups. This is like which level
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: of my opponent's just gonna draw a ton of stuff? Right,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: because there there are quite a few gr and As
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: deck types that just want to dump.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: All right, I need to understand this. Are we evaluating
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: this card based on the sets by itself, or are
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: we now looking at what it is in the meta?
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: The meta it is is I don't know anymore. I'm
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: just original.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: Asking.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: I'm going to have another year here, guys, because holy buckets,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: you are.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I'm so.
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: The way Z score was explained to me, it is
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: meta based right where it is about ARCon not about seal. Right, okay,
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: so yes, you are definitely considering this in the greater meta.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: But you also cards do have individual values in set
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: because the likelihood of something because you don't actually score,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: you don't score in the same like synergy where it's
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: just like yo, it gets better because this card is there,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: but you do think about it within the other cards,
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: and if it's better or worse overall of that can
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: adjust it potentially up or down a point depending on
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: what else is well.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Right now, grim reminders is pretty much the meta at
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the current time.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: Clear as mud. That definition for how we're evaluating is
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: clear as mud. Just like this show got It Designer rules,
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: there would be no work to be done because it
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: would just auto generate.
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: But that's not how this works.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Then you'd miss this amazing cast that we have tonight.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: As a designer Crik here in the rear, I, yes,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: you've convinced me.
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: I will go to a four, because yes, discarding is
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: pretty strong in the greater world, not in this sary.
• 34:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking for as well. I was thinking
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: it's going to stick around potentially three to two this set.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: This is we should not spend three or four. Yeah, no,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it should just spend nine minutes.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Is this is this someone's personal card?
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: All right?
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: I put it a three? Is this someone's personal card?
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: Here?
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: We got I put it as a three as well?
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Three all right, which just puts it to what you
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: said for she said for.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's four four three, three.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So we lose. Could I could go three? That's fine? Three?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: This all right? Here we go. Exotic Pivot action play.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Discard the top card of your deck if it is
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: not a Logos card. Steal three Fate for the remainder
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: of turn you cannot play creatures. So both effects are solid.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Both effects are very good. Yeah, you get to choose
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: one to steal the three, so that's good. Well maybe
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I mean if out of luck, right, well, but I.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: Value is steel two, right, So that's that's steel two.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: Expected value is good if you know nothing and all
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: of the things being equal and like a decent amount
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: of time, you know a bit more or can manipulate,
• 36:10
  Speaker 6: so slightly higher than steel two.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: There is the new common coming up force here, which
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: lets you control your deck top two mm hmm in
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: the house for logos. Yeah, well right, which is where
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: you're going to be playing this from the plate the play.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: Party decent fates and the fate the prophecies. Then then
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: this fate could be good in a matchup.
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's this is the kind of fate that
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: is really frustrating me in this game right now, because
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: you can have this fate which is good, and then
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: your your fate cards are if they discard, if they draw, if.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: They end with the end of their turn, yeah, if
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: they end with six amber, and if they end with
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: more amber are you and there is nowhere where this
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: card is likely to ever time out meaningfully and this
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: card becomes like the like was the Z.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: The way Z score at it core works. It will
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: never rate Prophecy and Fates together super strong. That is
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: definitely going to be just the way the cards relate
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: and when they time the Okay, if tuned out correctly,
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: is going to do a much better job of valuing
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Fates than the raw system because like, this card probably
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: gonna fairly high, although the play value is actually I
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: don't know. Like the one thing I say about the
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: play value is if this is what you're counting out
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: for Amber control, it hurts.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: Well you may be in the games we are playing today. Goodness,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah I was.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I think a good amount of the control Isn't this.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Shadows?
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: No, it's not Make Shadows great again? Make Shadows great again?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: They did you go play VM? No? No, the whole
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: rest of the set sucks. Well, okay, it can't be good.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I just haven't thoughts.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: What what is this car really?
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Though?
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: I still think it's only a three or a four.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: Of the local cars lab right, yeah, yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: So Swindle came in at a zero and it basically
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: it was it was correct. It was an elfant Omega,
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: you have play and fade effect. I think I was
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: just curious because trying.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: This had an ember pip. I'd give it a four
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: because it does not give it a three. Okay, I
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: like it, but like if I know when it's triggered.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, most of the time this is a crap,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: whether I'm stealing three or not. Right, So I think
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: more times than not I play See I don't know,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like do I because it all depends on my fates too. Right,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: If I have fates that I can that I can,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: like I had this week, I have fates that I
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: know will trigger, I play fate. If I don't have
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: fates that are going to trigger, I'm going to play
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: it for the play effect.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: So this set has asked me again later, which lets
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: you know for this card. This set has future Booster,
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: which ye gives you pretty good information.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: But now you have Star Alliance which is a problem
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: but got sure. And then there's.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Also got four character whatever down below. Like, there are
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: quite a few cards that help you make the play
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: effect hit in this which might push this to a four.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: But you might also have none of them.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Which which I think more often than not you will
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: have none of them, and you're just kind of I
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: don't guess.
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: I think you're likely to have one of the four
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: jars because there's only so many common and we've seen
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: lots of him three or four. I don't actually care.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm going back and forth in my head.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: What are you going with?
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: You walk four?
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: And I based that on it has versatility in the
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: play or fate effect. I'm actually happy with both. If
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: the fate hits and you have a good fate, that's
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: going to go ahead and push this which we were
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: seeing consistently today, Like, all you really need is one
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: of the four fates sorry, one of the four prophecies
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: that's consistent.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I like this.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: You can't play creatures most but it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: Could still be your best prophecy is when they call
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: check that one and again this card is dead.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah again. Timing.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Timing is very is very important. I had go ahead
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: and exhaust your creatures and uh when you're redrawing, Like,
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: just the timing is really important.
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: It matters, so start of the turn or under the turn.
• 40:55
  Speaker 5: It's a four for.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Me, though above average for a very card.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: For exotic pivots. Yes, if under our do you want
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: to be able to see this.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: I must, I might.
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: You think it's gonna be Yeah, actually.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: I think I think this is more consistent. I've had
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: it fire off more consistent. I'd much rather have Exotic
• 41:18
  Speaker 4: pivot than designer.
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: We also, yeah, we also have that common card we're
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: going to get too, though. You basically the draw to
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: shuffle two back in so you can craft your deck.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Right, seems very fickle, but again we'll move forward. Instant
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: transmission more DBZ references pipa Vember. Every time you play it,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: it's an artifact omni draw three cards destroy instant transmission.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: This is I do like the flavor text. It's instant
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: after you hit the button.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: It's very much to the uh to the you have
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: to use the artifact later.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: This at least it's omni. That is good. But the
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: amount of artifact hate and steel that's currently in this set, again,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: this doesn't really impact me for these client but en sealed,
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know if I actually like this card that much.
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: You stole my artifact today, you bugger you.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: I know, and there's so much artifacts steal going on
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: right now that.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: It's and I thought it was safe being on the board,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: but you popped it back to your hand then replayed it. Yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: and I didn't have a choice because it went off
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: before it got to me.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that was pretty good. I had the Shadows creature
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: that has the fate effect give one of your artifacts over.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: He played life board, and then on my turn, I
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: also had the Shadows guy that when he's destroyed, he
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: bounce as a creature back to your hand. So I
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: bounced my guy back to my hand, and I was
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: able to stop it under one of the prophecies that
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: goes off probably asked me again later or something like that,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: where it goes off before talking ask me again later.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: And it fired, and I stole his lifeboard and you
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: never got to play it, and it was kind of glorious.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: Got very good. It was like my best play in
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: my three losses.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Mhm.
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: Really, what I want to think about for this card is, hey,
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: can I like, is there really great abuse where Hey,
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: getting those extra three cards is really going to help
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: some other play with that omni timing? Now there isn't
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: key abduction. Are there other other things where we're like,
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: three extra cards is amazing just into themselves.
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: It's a temple play where you're gaining basically one addition.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: There is I was always good, but but there's no.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: There there is some wonky recursion in this set, right,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: so definitely with I'm Tamed, there could be like you
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: stack your deck back up with cards you want to redraw,
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: then fire this to draw them. But it's none of
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: it's strong, right, it's just kind of you know, this
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: this set is what we've been experience is uh, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: if you don't have this, you're playing a lot of
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: cards to not really do much.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what I really see in Logos is
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Logos is very much a tempo builder. Like if you
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: can build a big giant board, Logos can archive and
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: reap to gather more cards, draw more cards archives, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: it's the.
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: End gain effects to me, like Logos is like some
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: R style Shenanigans with lands and gets reap correct.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: And that's where it's very very it's very contingent if
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: you cannot be responded to. But what I'm seeing here
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: is I think this Logos artifact leads into that where
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: it very much is a tempo like I can build
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: up a large section of cards for a future, but
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: there's no major payout outside of a tempo. That's how
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: I've seen it so far, So.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: Back to almost immediately just because of the risk of
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: your opponent stealing it or using it and getting well.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: You're I mean, in ARCon you're going to know whether
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: they have ce hard R or not or any R
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: So yeah, but the netror the next car, the next
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: car dress Corps is really probably the lean where you can.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: This card.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: No, but I'm saying like, and I'll say it here
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: because we're going to deal with it next. But Mercurial Wormhole,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: we're becoming your active house. That would be the best
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: use in my opinion. But that's two rares in a row,
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: which can happen.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Well, how are these cards link in a meaningful way?
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: Because you're able to draw, like what's the payout and
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: then you're basically able to spit it out or play
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: two houses.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: So you're playing you're playing two cards.
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: But Marcurial wormholes random card off the top. You may
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: not even change house.
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: This is all no, But when I'm saying that you're
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: drawing three cards, the payout is essentially you're you're expecting
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: to hit one third of the cards there. But the
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: best payout that I've seen really comes in mercurial wormhole.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: There is no there is no key abduction or anything
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: else that I'm seeing directly off of it. But anyway,
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: let's instant transmission.
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: Where are you putting it at three? Three? I don't
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: know about that, but you're.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Gonna give it a four?
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: No, I just I don't know how I feel about
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: this card at all, Like I could I could be
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: talked lower too, because Library of Babel is not a
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: very good card either.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Track that's good. Yeah, three at once is way better
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: than yeah, But you also could draw I mean, it's
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: so random. You can also draw no more logos and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: then just end your turn and you had no what
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: you gain no efficiency?
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: This is omnie. You don't even have to.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Use it, right, But I'm saying, okay, so whatever house
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: you're in right and gain no efficiency.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: When you save towards the end of DAK and you
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: have a good house count and you know if it's
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: going to be valuable, like there's ways to maximize the
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: value back on the bottom of the deck. But I
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: also feel like it just ends up getting fired early
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: on a like I hope so, well, that's because my
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: feeling with TV is your everything you're doing is firing
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: and hoping because you're not winning.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I had a whole lot of winning on Tuesday. Let's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: go well, holding on, we gotta score this. I don't know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: Sheep went three. He's sitting at the bottom of.
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Three there, I went, oh three with e walk.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not been playing key force lately.
• 47:39
  Speaker 5: Which is why is he scored now? Because I'm no
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: longer good at playing.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those who can't play teach, Yeah that was that
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: was always this thing. Yeah, this thing was always those
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: who can't play teach.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it at three.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I'd much rather have the Exotic pivot than this instant transmission.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: That's like, that's I'm time with that.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, It's like.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: It feels low at a three, But I'm telling you,
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: is having like three of these better.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Though it could be?
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: I mean yeah, I mean nine all at once is
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: pretty good.
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Or even like if you're doing it logos, you just
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: play out another one.
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: And do you do you want to see a three
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: three four?
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: How about that?
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: I'll give you that score for you three four. If
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: someone hits the triple, the triple here on instant transmission
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: three three four for shit all right, Next.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Card Mercurial Wormhole play get a pimp a number. Every
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: time you play it, play the top card of your deck.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That card's house becomes your active house. It's very wormhole
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: one one. That's because anything with the name wormhole in
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the title is automatically a one for me. Because we're
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: wild Wormhole is the worst card in the game.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: This is well, this is almost almost always better than
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: wild Wormhole, right, because almost it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: Still has the exact same downsides of the same downsides
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: as wild.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: An upside that wild Wormhole does not have, which is
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: changing hawks. Yeah, so you can go play.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: The one time I saw this played, it didn't actually
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: really do anything.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: It was also.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: Out of order maybe two, because it is one of
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: those things like wild Wormhole. The timing of when you
• 49:38
  Speaker 5: played wild Wormhole. Sometimes you wanted to start your turn
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: with it because you know you could hit some C card.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and here you.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, you never start your turn with this because
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: if you're doing this and like just hoping you switch
• 49:52
  Speaker 5: into a different house again, the only way that might
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: be a thing is because of asking it later and
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: you know what, you top cards. This is true, right, like,
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: this card is better in this set than wild Wormhole
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: was traditionally because there is more in this set. I
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: feel that lets you know what your top card.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of this set is pray.
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: No, so what gives you a lot of knowledge, which
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: means it's not praying?
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is true. I did use a lithomancy to
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: figure out what the top card of my deck was,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: even though it didn't do anything.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: This card is.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: It only if it's of the active house? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: so that's that's wild. I can't believe that cards in action. Yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: it's not good until you're like, I need to know
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: what the top card of my deck is. If it's
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: if it's of the active house, I'm gaining to If not,
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: I know what the top card is and I know
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: what to do with the net card. And it was
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a very edge case scenario. But we can go over
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: that other So.
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: Where where is this? I don't I don't know if
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: this too, it's better than that.
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just okay, wild wow, and we're stubborn and angry.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: That's all it is.
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: Wild Wormhole is a four that's listed.
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: Wild Wormhole is efficiency.
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: And it's I'm looking at our Zekes keyboards. It's the original.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 5: Wild Wormhole was a Foreign Worlds Collide. It's a three
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: and v M and it's a three three yeah, three three,
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: because you got to look at the three.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: You gotta look at the you gotta look at the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: value of cards around it.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: It's three okay, sorry, And this it's a one yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: yes wormhole three four two. There are alphas in the
• 51:49
  Speaker 5: set where it'll just bounce.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: There are more importantly, yes our guns callback. I double
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: our guns callback with myrcurial And then it did actually
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: really hurt me. Arkuns callback I actually thought had quite
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: a bit of loss and value in DT, I could
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: consistently draw five cards with some serious bang, and here,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: because of prophecies, you're just moving cards. I actually thought
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I was drawing closer, like your efficiency is coming in
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: different ways. But Arkuns callback really lost a lot of value.
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: But mercurial wormhole is one of those that really messes
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: with callback in my opinion, so sure remember to discard
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: it because it hurts you a lot. I'm going to
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: go with I'm gonna go with the three. I still
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: think it's a three here, I think the chance to
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: be able to switch houses, and two thirds of the
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: time you're able to play cards from your other house,
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: from your other house, or use cards from your other house.
• 52:51
  Speaker 5: If you even have many in your hand, because yeah,
• 52:55
  Speaker 5: like mancrafty and so I don't know, yeah, three.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: But it's it's also could be on the we're doing
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: three angry angry Key Forge.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, key Forde player. Wookie says three angry
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Wookie says one. Yeah, okay, all right, Professor Scruples, this
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: seems like an art card. So is that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Art of who that Professor Scruples is me? Man, No,
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: you're in shitty look no, no, no, look, I am
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: the wise owl that's there.
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: You are not you are and all Scruples.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I am this this ghostly owl. We will talk about
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: you when we hit Star Alliance. There's a card that
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: multiple people are like, do you get an art card?
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: And they were like, it's Eloch three power zero Armor.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: Human scientists, after re discarded card, draw three cards Fate
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: purge each upgrade in play.
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: Okay, so the Fate is a one. Like it's either
• 54:04
  Speaker 5: it's even super important because they're actually playing upgrades, or
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: basically meaningless as well, when we get to refit in
• 54:12
  Speaker 5: the future.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: It's not even that they're playing card grades. It's that
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: there is what one upgrade that you care about in.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: Got them scrot them.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Maybe like outside of that, maybe.
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: There's a ghost forums back phost form, but like outside
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: of that, Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: No, it's not great. His discard would imagine that is
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: a hell but because like there was like, uh, what's
• 54:41
  Speaker 5: what's his name in star Lines where he's just discard
• 54:43
  Speaker 5: one draw one. I like that guard this is this
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: is three times better.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe probably I'm just I'm just throwing in this pile as.
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: We go through. All of the logos card is differing
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: from what Logo suffers from in this set, which is
• 55:03
  Speaker 5: they're good if they get to get used, and if
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: you don't get to use them, nobody cares.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Is just that what logos has always suffered from.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: No logos had strong play a lot. I was like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking of like Sutterkins and yeah, but it's
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: like amazing ability, fragile body.
• 55:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah. The difference in this set is everything is Sutterkin's
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: and only one creature is like Helper Buy or Strength.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: You can chunk ever more.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Him because you had on tame. So there you go.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: You just got a game loss.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, so what this is? What's what's the name of
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: that other car?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Like like three is the new two? Right?
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: There are five decks with eye for an eye and
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: ghost form.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: I mean some of the is not good with ghost
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: because you reaping ghost worm goes.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Away, go away, and that's what.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: So that's not that strong. It is not strong.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: I forgot it was reaping. It goes away and means
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: action ability. That's good. Yes, spent a lot of time
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: since I've seen a ghost form.
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Which is why it's not an upgrade that we care about,
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: but we do.
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: All right, let's go, uh two, So is that a three?
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: I'm cool that a two? This is definitely is squishy.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: It's squishy. That's why I'm head.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: All of them are like baby witch cards though, right,
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: they're all like this.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: You gotta answer it a little bit.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: This is discarded card and draw three cards in the
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: set with house enhancements to be able to give it, I.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Know, live and you have to come back to logos.
• 57:02
  Speaker 6: But your if your opponent has to respond, that does
• 57:05
  Speaker 6: increase the value.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: If if cards are now only good on play like
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: that significantly changes everything, and that's not how it is.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: You gotta you gotta respect on how game stated is.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Even if it gets.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you just you just got you just gotta change
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: with whatever you feel like on the card. As we
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: go through this satman like change at least whatever whatever
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Sheep says, you just follow him.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: I'm good with it. Two.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: I like that you're learning what is the name of
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: that guy I'm thinking of, who's this card drawing?
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: The this card draw you're thinking of the it's like
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: the one mutant.
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: Now he's a.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Wasn't it like a Oh?
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: There was also? Yeah, there was one also one of
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: the many mutants in mass mutation?
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Did I thought that was? I thought there was one?
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Was that the wormhole Guardian? Or you just card a
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: card from your on reap just card a card draw card.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Because.
• 58:18
  Speaker 5: But it was just a draw three. But you're not
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: the old the old Tinkerer. That is the card I'm
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: thinking about, is the old Tinker?
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: Okay he do.
• 58:28
  Speaker 5: He's a three power elusive reap discarded card draw card, right,
• 58:32
  Speaker 5: old tinker. Pretty good card. This card draw that's okay.
• 58:37
  Speaker 5: So you're looking at the one and that was a three.
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to see, kid, this guy's a three
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: or four because that guy did have elusive, which meant
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: he's slightly more likely to live.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: But this effect is real good.
• 58:52
  Speaker 5: This is another one of those effects where like in
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: older sets, you might take a one, you might have
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: a a three to one hand right, and you would
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: take the one card and just reaping this because it's
• 59:06
  Speaker 5: enough of a swing. I don't know if that's true anymore,
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: but I was definitely strong enough back in the day,
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: like Philosopher Saurus was almost worth I don't have any
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: cards play. I'm still just gonna reap with the philosopher
• 59:16
  Speaker 5: Saurus because you know, if I'm not way behind the advantage,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: I'm getting as big. This is that level of strong
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: in my opinion, like drawing three cards.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: I could see I'm on four p I spen is
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: a two and you need to have the tide with it.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: Here you get the efficiency from discarding and draw in set.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: I think this is a three.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: Three for your e wok, okay, we got sheep, give
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: it up four? Four? What do you got it? Three?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: That's because I love.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: Fill bump into four and we're moving on all right.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: There you go Stenter's formula. It's an art card for
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: j I believe if I'm not mistaken, it's an action.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: It's an action. Remember when you play it, play word
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: up to three creatures, drag card. This card.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 5: When I first thought, I was like, what is with
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: the creep in the set?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Or what No, just the you have an amber pip,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: you wor three creatures and this is better than defense
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: initiative there are you know, and it has the amber
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: pip and it's just like what it is a rare yep.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: I imagine you should be able to get multiples of
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 5: these and that might not actually be good.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Well it's word up two of them is fine, I think.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there are multiple multiple rares. Yeah, imperium worst version
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 5: of this card. But again the rarity, like they definitely
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: seem to have switched to this mentality of we can
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: put stronger cards on rare, which was not the original
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: design backing code. It was a bunch of walky stuff
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: in rare, so you didn't see a lot of it.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: And now it does feel like there's a little more
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: of the transition to like, oh, just put the really
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 5: powers pull stuff on rare so it doesn't show up,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 5: so it just makes our condex harder to score because
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: you have to have the certain rares or you really
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: want certain rares.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: But it's as sizes, so your option to get more
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: rares is there as well.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: Not more rares, but more copies of the same rare. Anyways,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: this card, I.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Don't this initiative is a two.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: There.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: That's interesting.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: That's because of the set it was in. Yeah, this one,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 5: like if you can ward your three logos creatures you
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: just played and they get to use them extern I
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: think it's a huge push, but in total support of ewoks.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: Thing like you may also have this and just like
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: one creature to play with it, and you're just like.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: You know, like, I mean, get a number ward that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: creature draw card. It's not card.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: Five, but I don't think I make it a six myself.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I was gonna give it a five. I think it's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: pretty good. I think it's pretty good cheap. What are
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: you going?
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: Five? Five?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: Five? Five? All right, yep, I'll go with.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: Handsome young man. It is also hopefully my card comes
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 4: out that well.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Nicely written up up to three so you don't have
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: so you don't have to ward an enemy creature if you.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Have no board, you can still just Amber draw zero.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: Even Amber draw is good though, all.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Right, bit Bight two power AI Creature skirmish after fight.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Put the creature bit Bite fights into its owner's archive.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Fate your opponent archives the bottom cart of their deck.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: This is this not collector one. It is weaker. Well,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: I guess it's skirmish and.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 5: It's into the owner's archives. They just get to draw
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: and play it again if they want. It's really good
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: for dinosaur bounce right, like it's another It's one of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 5: those things where it has bounce and with all the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: capture bounces gronger and actually capture is pretty prevalent even
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 5: in g R.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the problem is squishy if you have and this
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: isn't This isn't too.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 5: I don't want this card.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: The problem the problem that I see with sorry and
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: sorry and has the actual ward and so causes.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: Issues with like this. This is a two. This is
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: a two.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 6: Well, I know you fight, you remove the word with
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 6: the damage, and then you archive it so that yes,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: because of the after fight, but yes, Doc Doc superb
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: duck play just.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 5: Nurse did it.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I don't remember archive two random cards or game two Amber.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 5: I remember being and I thought it. I thought it
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 5: was good when I saw it last time, and I
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: have not I I would rather have Eureka. That's what
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: it comes down to, right, I would you get this card?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: You're like, why can't this be Eureka?
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: Well, because Rika is already printed. I'm just with you.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: It's not that deep. It's not that deep.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 5: So that that's where I come on this card.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: So what is.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: So Eureka being Amber pip Alpha play game two, archive
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: two random cards.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I mean also, this also is an alpha, so I
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: I it is some decent deficiency if I'm dumping my
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: hand and then getting to archive two a couple of.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: Times because it's the last one you played, or you
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: can gain Amber. It's got a little versatility. I understand.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: It's not like is it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: Because you can stack this how you want it? Right?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: I play all my logos and then I am able
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: to archive two random cards where.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: Maybe I saw it in what had double duck ducks
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: and they were in the hand at the same time
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: and that time.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: Oh that could be. But maybe I don't know, but
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: I think this might be on power with Eureka.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 4: Eureka's are all four, right, I think.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: It might be on power because you you get to choose,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: you're not because but Eureka was Alpha, like you're going
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: into that. I mean that was the only it was
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: great turn one.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: I still I I can't give this more than three.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't feel like I want it.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: I'll take it. It's help just one.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: I don't want more than I don't know if I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: want more than one. Well, and it is uncommon there.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have more than one, I guess you
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: can play it as Amber.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, I guess I can gain the
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Amber and then do the archive.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: But so this is a four?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: All right, walk what are you going? Lookie? I said
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: it's on Pire with Eureka. If Rica is a four,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I think this is a four. So we're split down
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: threes and fours.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, got it, break it drazz scores.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: This is where you vote two to bring it down
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: to a three. There you go, it's a three. Yeah,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Rage reset pip of Vember. Every time you play it.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: It's an action. Play destroy any number of friendly creatures,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: draw one card for each creature destroyed. This way, Fate
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: randomly discard half of the cards from your hand, rounding down. Boy,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: if this is not one that really more often.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: The fate than uh.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: Plus, well, it depends, right. If you have a fate
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: that triggers at the beginning of the turn, this is.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Also now or end of turn, and is also fine.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Because now you're setting them up for a bad turn
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: next turn.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: It is not like the best place for these kinds
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: of cards to fire is on my favorite fate asked
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: me again later, right, because they've already call used their
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: they called their house right, So it's like, oh, I
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: got three logos and whatever I'm gonna call logos. Uh,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: And then it's not shadows and then they shuffle and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: discard half their hand and now they have no logos
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: cars in their hand. Is just trashed. Ye, their whole
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: turn is trashed. Oh, the timing of fates is so yes,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: the beginning that that one, I really I really like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: the timing of that card for a lot of this
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff. End of turn is fine. You know,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: they still have to discard three early.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Or when you have a board of five disc creatures
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: Pete and you call and then your board gets blown
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: up because of Pete's amazing prophecy and fate combination to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: go ahead and cycle one more time. I shake my
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: fist at U pete.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think the action ability is terrible terrible if
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: you need it. I mean, I supposed to me to
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: close out a game.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: So the walk did get to kill my treachery creatures.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 5: I gave him and drawn cards for them, so that
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: felt real poopy.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it felt real good today because I got an amber,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: I destroyed two creatures, Dan's in mine and I drew.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I ain't gonna lie to nobody. The world
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: needs more markings, it just does well. This set has
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: them good.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 6: So what is interesting is there's a lot less destroyed
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: effects in this set, so you're less likely to want
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: to do the play effect than.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: The direct creature. It's also really bad in a set
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 5: set needed.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened, but Logos got the what
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: is it the arachnid or whatever arachnoid that's capture is
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: one from itself. I don't know when we started to
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: blur the lines between houses, because capture from your own
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: side used to be a no it's in dis yeah,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: but it was always all.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: Over the place.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: Now yeah, everybody has se Yeah, and now Shadows doesn't
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: know what its identity is because.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: Really bad creatures rage reset.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I'll go for I can go a four on this one.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: It's just tough because if you have the right fate,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: it can be powerful. If you don't want.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm like, I think it's high.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: True, it's like a five. Sure, this almost feels like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: one last job type deal to me. Oh no, this
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: doesn't steal was just draw card.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: But you're right, like this card is like, if you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: don't have the right fates, it's a zero. If you
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: have the right fates, it's like a six because it is.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: Although I did, I did get baited by this and
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: you know, like against local car and he made me
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: discard three cards, and you know, like I discarded like
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: two of the cards I was going to play, and
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: I was still just like I just like like whatever,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: those cards weren't going to do anything anyways, because they'll
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: I have this bad I have this bad feeling with
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: this that right now where so many of the cards
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: are so bad, I just don't care what happens. I've
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: had bad play experiences currently, but.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: This discarding half of somebody's hand, you have not you
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: have not had the luck, that is for sure.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: When it comes to the decks, you're opening this.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: This card, you also got to think he used it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: all up taking sealed at Roso, yeah, that is true.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: I did spend it out there this against again against
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: GR not so much amagas GR when they have those
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: huge ten twelve card hands. This card hits harder, right, sure, well,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: I mean is every card so, I yes, I think
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: this is higher. I think this is a five. I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: mean I think you want one of these in your logos.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's good, but again it's just it's it's
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: all fate driven. If I get a good prophecy, I'm great.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: If I get a poopy prophecy, well, yeah, yeah that
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: is true. Let's go to Unity Prison Action Alpha play
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: for the remainder of the tree. Did get better. You
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: may play cards from Eddie House. You cannot play more
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: than four cards this turn, including this one. Scrap, remove
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: your hand, reveal your hand, game one for each house
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: represented in it.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Okay, so this uh, this card was in the FAQ,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: right and his first term Playable to play four cards
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: definitely adds to its strength, but it's that makes it
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: kind of hard ball again right, like, it's an awesome
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: turn one.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: Card, awesome turn one and interesting combo piece right in
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: that interesting across houses.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: I'm you know what we say, awesome turn one card,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: and it is. It is a very good turn one card.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: But it comes back around to like in my play style,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: the way I play and now lose.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: But I yeah, I.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Think going first is often better because your card. Most
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: many cards in key Forge, outside of Creatures, are reactionary cards,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: right like, Creature control doesn't do anything when you're the
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: second player and they didn't play any creatures, right and
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: steal can't steal anything when they didn't make any amber.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 5: So I like being player one because I play one
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 5: relatively meaningless card, right I basically I'm basically playing for
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: turn two. My turn two efficiency is what I'm doing
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: on turn one, and then my opponent goes stuff and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: then I feel like a lot of decks. Then I
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: get to take the I get to take control because
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: I'm now killing my first cards are hitting for value
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: where their first cards were just like, I'm just playing
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: cards to turn them. Because this is the four house, right,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: I have four of this out, So I play this
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: card and I don't kill anything and I just get
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: rid of the steel card and I play these two creatures. Right,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 5: that's a lot of second turn.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 6: They sometimes, I mean, then they go and drop four
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: of these logos, well certainly fours, right, and you're like, oh,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: ship if you're add them together there, if you're ad
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 6: them together there at twelve right, So yeah, yeah, because
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: this one.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: This one here, just like when you play it as
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: the alpha, you know, it's just I don't know, it's
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 5: pushing that to where you're you're putting out more stuff
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: for your opponent to react to and get maximum benefit
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: out of their cards.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this we're also like, you're also it's
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: high efficiency because I don't I don't have to be
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: on logos. I mean, I guess I do get there,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: but I'm thinking turn one.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: Because I like one one creature of every house. And
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: then you'll be like, I don't care. Next yearn I'm
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: going to be able to reap with something.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: But man, let's move let's move it.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Boys.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: It's ten, we got eleven cards left. You can figure
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: out a number. Let's do it.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, well, it's at least a four.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's probably probably a five. It's scrap effect is
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: actually pretty good too, Like if you have a discard
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 5: pip or something's making like eye for eyes making you discard, right,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 5: this guy becomes amber nice.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: It's five.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: Of course, when you discard all your cards at once,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: you have no cards in your hand. Yeah anyways, five okay, yep,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: great Unstabled Dale, Unstabled Dale three power Cyborg after reap
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: deal one damage to each creature.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: For each card in your hand, they deal three damage
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: to each friendly creature. I mean it hits your guys too,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: which not sure.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 5: To each creature. Yeah, okay, the yes on Stableedale is
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: functionally a six damages kind of boardwipe. If he gets
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: to reap, which board a board wipes, that can still
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: be really good.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: He's got a three power I gotta live, right, yeah,
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: And if you want to board wipe, they already have
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 6: a big board so they can probably handle them.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't. I don't really like him.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 5: So I I like this card much better as the
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 5: Fate Trap, which is again yeah, where I think the
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 5: fates and it only works if you've got a good
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 5: prophecy to go with him. We were all agreeing on that,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 5: but like again this one, and they call logos and
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 5: they're gonna go into logos and then for whatever reason
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: because this reaps after the first or this fires after
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 5: the first creature reaps or after they play, but whatever
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 5: the trigger is put, it fires before they get to
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: use their whole and then they kill all their creatures
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: and then it's like it's like a disruption card where
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, I was going to do all this
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 5: and be in a good position, but because I had
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: to call my house, then this random stuff happened that
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: I didn't know was going to happen. My whole turn
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 5: is just turn skipped almost it can. So that's like
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 5: these kinds of fates can be turn skips functionally in
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: the right situation, which is not every time, but every
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: time they do hit for that value is see.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: But the good houses right now are dis Saurian and
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: who's our third.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 5: I've had a lot of bad Sorian man.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: Logos logos the third Yeah, I mean I'm not just.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: Sing three damage pretty good against logos.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: Three damage basically wipes logos. It doesn't really tickle Saurian.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I mean it does to some of their good better cards.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Still leaves a lot of the good ones living barely
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: but living nonetheless, dis A lot of those are still living,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: and I think those are the three houses, some of them,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: A lot of them. I have three of them. Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: I'm three three three zeph punch artists, four power cyborg
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: after reap, archive the top card of your deck and
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: the top card of your discard. Pile a lot of power.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: And I think this is in the witch category.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: I want to live quite a bit because the other
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: witches are more witchy.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: When you're playing logos, who spit out a plethora of
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: logos creatures?
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: So which one are you taking?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, you play one of your good logos actions,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 6: then you reap with those and archive the top card.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: I would still call him a four because he is yeah, four,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: he gets used.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: He's really good.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Yep, I agree with he's a four. I think he's
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: better than average four. Talking about four, let's talk about
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: four c R four seer two power cyborg scientists. Play
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: after reap, look at the top two cards of your deck,
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: put one into your hand.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: I really like the play effect here.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that versus just the after a great and
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: the fact that it is also play and after reek,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: which means if he sticks around, he's still really good.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: You know where I go are You're like, how do
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: I kill him and get him back?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 4: This is where with exotic pivots and other cards it
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: really is is crucial, But.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: It's it's information. It's a sort of handcraft, you know,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: some handcrafty kind of stuff.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Because I mean it is drawing a card he has
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 3: he has real weak, but he has common.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: So you do see a bunch of these two.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, four seer is our first common card here.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have moved into the A five by the way. Oh,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: but you do get to see three set to right.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: I Gore is the engine to make stuff happen, right
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: in a A.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: This this guy, I would still put him at That's where
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where my head was. And I said four his.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: Name four four. We're just going with fours. He's got
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 5: that same robot. Luck we've seen him before.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: I put him at A three. All right, Well, yeah,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: it's still it's still going to average up, but I
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: still place him there.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I think I think he's better than A three. He's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: better than average. Yeah, definitely going to Captain Chah elusive
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: three power robot after still one. I assure you, my
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: organs are purely organic.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, three? Or is he a four?
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: He's a three? Three, he's elusive.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 5: The other thing that this card does when you have
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 5: a couple of them is if you have some jaws
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: or some four sears and some jaws. Like the fact
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: that he has amber controlled means you can stand logos
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: and just keep that reap and maybe not lose out
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: to them playing amber however they're doing it. You know.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Sometimes that happens with a house like logos in some
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: sets where you like, you have the board, you want
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: to reap with it, but they're on key, so you can't.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 5: Having having a little bit of steel in there really strong.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: Having amber control in this set better.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: So Natty is a two two power and a two score.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 5: Okay, so he's a three, that's yeah.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: I only even go hiring a three on this guy.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 5: Three.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: It is you lock two. Yeah.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 5: Just like his logos cards.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Digitalia two power Cybor Recruiter enhances one logo spip after
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: rep drawn card for each of Digitalia's logos Neighbors. Remember
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: Hutterkins was good.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Another another hands this is a this is an art card.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: Guess yeah, okay, winning, yes? What is what is Slutterkins two.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I think it's the cards he doesn't like, so I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: bet it's low.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: I mean Sutterkins in the m was a two, and
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Sutterkins it was a two.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: In a way, I am cool with giving this card
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: to two. This is all.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: This is enhanced, It has an enhanced and don't like
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: this this no, no, this is a which status. This
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: is which status that when you have it as common placing, all.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: The accidentally kill this thing, just like were not murder
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: this thing. The enhanced doesn't matter anymore a little that
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: in this set it is gonna fall. If it falls
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: on a good card, it matters everything. Ninety nine point
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: seven percent of the time it will not matter.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 4: I mean the statement, the statement which means scoring it
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: doesn't matter. The statement is what she was actually saying earlier.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: If Logos Board hits, it's game over. Like you can't
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: let it hits. If it hits and stays, the advantage
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: is here in its ability to reap. It's giving you
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: an enhanced house pip. I like, but next to it,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: I'm gaining a rep plus drawing cards the same.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: It's the same thing I got for Sutterkins. Yes, it's
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: the exact same card except worse, So it is got
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: to draw it wasn't it wasn't Sutterkins Elusive.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: No, Sutter is not.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so neither in this guy. So it doesn't matter.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: But literally, it's the exact same card, except you got
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: to raw card for each Logos creature on board.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 4: It is two power after reap draw card for each
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: friendly Logo screech correct, all.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: This is it's got an enhanced enhanced pip on it. Ye,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: which this is just this is it is not a lot,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: all right, we can go on.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 5: He can put it too. We're all gonna put it
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: at four and we're gonna go to the next car.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: Sounds good. Before where do you go? And you walk?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: You can eat fours? Have it all right? Emetrius darn
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Amrtius darn I don't know. Two power human sciences Solusive
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: and Emeritus whatever he's got binders for some reason. Logos
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: is still using binders. Not sure power two power human
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: scientists Elusive after the top two cards of your deck. Wait,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: this guy's a human. He is a human.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, don't ask questions because none of it matters anymore.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: So is just randomly generated and slapped on cards. So
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Emeritus Wookie is an honorary title granted to someone who
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: retires from position of distinction. That's what you're looking at.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: So typically you would see professor emeritus.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: It's it wasn't there, emeritis.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: It's usually for educational like faculty positions.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: But got it. You walk looks forward to tell me
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: this cards before face punch emeritis.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 5: This is maybe back to three. Yeah, it's another like
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 5: you get to reap with it.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: It's already archives.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I don't like this guy as much. Archives
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: are a little more dangerous. There's a lot of archives, a.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 6: Lot of kill archives. I'd rather have just a contract
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 6: of these other.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: Guys as well.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: Think quad digitalia decks.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take that. Yeah, so what is We're not
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: talking about digitalia anymore. We're talking about emeritus.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 6: Two on this.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went with two on this as well. I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: don't like this card.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: We got ewok three the elusive with the reap that's there.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 5: Okay, there's not a five digit deck yet?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: How many how many you.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: Can lower it to?
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: Two are currently five four digit decks?
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: End of the pips slam at anything meaningful.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: This one's got double gray warden.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: Again the pips they increase in.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we have them.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: They can and logos. Then if they're next to each
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: other in the refreading each other.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: All right, where the hazard? Yeah, we're done with We're done.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: We're on the hazards. Hazards are two power cyborg scientists play.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: Deal three damage to each two a creature if that
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: creature has destroyed John card scrap discarded card. Uh, deal
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: three damage to a creature.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: A little bitter. See he's pretty much always drawn a card.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: But I still think he's only like a three three.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I like him. I like the scrab I like, yeah,
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: I like this.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: There's another one he's like. Once he's on play, You're like,
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: how do I get them back at my hand?
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah? No, no, it is very much sometimes good too.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: So it's very much on the player. The scrapability clearly
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: three between the art and some of the name somebody
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 4: was on like, uh an anime when they.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: Did this some of this, I said, bender, but that's okay, okay, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I mean c twop is a designer in this set,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: so maybe it was. So what you're saying is he's
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: he's a big fu maybe yeah.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I mean Loka Car here in our notes is arguing
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: a stand by what we're what are we going to
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: draw in logos with the set? And the short answer
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: is more logos creatures and if they can't deal with
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: the board, it becomes a real issue that logos just
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: reaps out and we can completely control a lockdown the game.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: That's that's what you're dealing with with logos. The payout
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 4: for logos.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: Is very.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: Creature board centric. It is not a matter of here's
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: amber control like amber control.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: And you're hoping for your Lord Bufo.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Captain Chaw, Actually we opened a double Lord Bufo today. Sorry, we.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: Girls technical neo technic Gopher the new best card in
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: the game, two power, cyborg based. I don't really mean that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: It's just a gopher, and I kind of like gophers.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: Play after reap, discard a card if you have no
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: cards in your handgame on what the fuck? Uh fate?
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Your opponent draws a card. Thank you for your donation.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: This card is?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: Does this not look more like a cat?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: I originally thought it was a squirrel.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: Squirrel doesn't have squirrel tale.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: Well I kind of thought that backside you see where
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: the where the like there? And I thought maybe this
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: and then you got like this like thing hanging over here.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: I thought that was part of its tail. But armadillo.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: Arma arma, Uh, I mean we're.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: This is a one.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: You get the play effect off of it?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: I guess, I get. I guess I get to discard
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: a card.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: I feel like this guy often ends up as a fake.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: Sure, but like I got two, it's you know, it's
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: fine produced like never gaining that number. Almost some efficiency.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: Seem it happened.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's gonna happen, but not a ton.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: All right, let's go on to the next card.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: Parallel thinking, When did Vikings come in? Or is it
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: supposed to be a brob Nard giant who knows action play?
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Discards the top two cards of a player's deck.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: We talked, We talked about this. Someone was trying to
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: argue that this was an art card.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Uh, it could be. I don't know. For who it
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: looks like. Uh is that mammon? Again? Did he get cards? Yeah?
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: But again parallel thinking.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Discard the top two cards of a player's deck or
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: two random cards from a player's archive. If the discarded
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: cards share a type, steal too.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: This card three times, yet to steal anything with it?
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: I say, This doesn't steal anything, does it.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: I guess it's so you can hit creature creature. You
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: could hit action action that's going to be your best,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter. And hitting cards out of the
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: archive is good.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: You might get more bad maybe, but it's it's it's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: a mixed bag.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: I'm like, this card is a one in my book.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: I don't want it in my deck. It's probably got
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 5: a better value than a one, maybe, but I don't
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 5: like this card. No.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: I was at a one too, my friend, I agree
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: that I don't think it was that bad.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: It's bad. This never steals anything it Maybe maybe.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: I want zero of these?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Were looking I was at a one. I mean it
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: maybe disrupts some link indecks, but maybe I guess we're
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: going one. I don't know. I think that's too low,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: but all right, reassembly required. Pip a vember every time
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: you play it action, play a creature, play, put a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: creature into its owners archives, Fate discard your archives.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: What's whatever? Banishes plus one?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: I agree, I can agree with that.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 5: Maybe plus two banish?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, banish? Is it a two? Just so your ware
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: better than that? Like if this gave me an number
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: for each of them discarded archives cards.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's not there, so that there is the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: archives hate that's here. It is getting rid of it,
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 4: but you're not. It's not just Sanny, You're you're not
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: gaining amber for it, right, So I think this is
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, you have the amber pip that's built into it,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 4: you have a bounce that's there, and if you're taking yes,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 4: it's versatile, and you can go ahead and play the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: fate if you're playing g R and they've built up
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: their archives.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Only if your fate some point in the middle.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a three.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: I think it's a three.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: I feel like, I say, like the general value of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 5: the fates in logo seven pretty good, which makes it
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 5: one of those houses that you never have to play
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 5: because you can just.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: Stuff it away. I feel like a lot of them
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: are all it's all timing, right, This does nothing at
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: the end of the turn. If I've taken my archives already,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I know you're gonna say
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: everything in this game is timing. But like, if this
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: triggers at the beginning of a turn right and I'm
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: in vodka, I'm right before they pull, I might have
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: just won the game. If it happens at the end
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: of the term and I played Waka pulled by archives
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: and pop off, this does nothing well, well, but if
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: you may force them to right and so again, what
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is like it is so fake dependent.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: I was second about this one under the one that's
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: destroyed three creatures and why yeah, but it would be
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 5: destroy all the creatures, trigger this fate that archive everything
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 5: because there's a period in the middle of.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: I will say, Dan, you were talking about fates like
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: they really do show up outside of commons though, because
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 4: your comments force here cha digitalia maritis hazard.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: On the commons, they don't have any of them, just one.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: It shows up on Yeah, it shows up in Gopher
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: reassembling required and then the last one of reiteration.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: You know what, I really miss Type pips. Not a
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: ton in this set. No a lot of scrap effects
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: for not a lot of type pips. Agreed, Agreed, it's
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: all I'm saying. I miss them. Bring back type pips.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: I was a three. I was cool at the three.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, pree sign.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Let's go on to whoever got a big old stiffy
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: for bunnies because this is like the third card. There's
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: a bunny reideration November. Every time you play it, play
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: draw two cards, put two cards from your hand on
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: the bottom of your deck, fate, discard two cards two
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: random cards from your hand. I could well tell you
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: I like this card. Yeah, this car hot, I don't
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: play and the fate, Ah, I don't mind four of
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: these at all. No, I'll take as many as I
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: can get. It is right. Well, maybe I.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 6: Guess your bottom of deck with one house you really want.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Twelve of them.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I actually probably would take twelve of them.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: And even the discard two random cards is again a very.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: Pretty good Yeah, I go five on this, okay, man,
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: does it go like five six, six seven?
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 5: You well.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Right, I was just checking that. I feel like it's
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: kind of in that.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 5: Except you are putting at the bottom.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: I'm putting at the bottom of my deck, so I
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: am now, I am.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: Is archive discard this is draw two?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: So then and then I just then I put two
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: cards at the bottom so I get to see my
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: cards first.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: And I think this is real strong. This is I
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: I'm very happy with.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: The five five, five, okay, but I think it multiples.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: This gets even stronger.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: M doesn't get weaker.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Could you imagine like getting to the bottom of your
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: deck and it's all one house and just.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have because that great. That's what has been doing.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: See so I mean, I don't know. I I think
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: it's I don't know. I I am not opposed to
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: giving this card even a six. I want a lot
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: of these. If that's how we're If that's how we're saying,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: what do you want in your deck? This?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 5: This does? So, this does do. What Local car was
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: talking about is like what are we putting at how
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 5: bottom art deck that we want to play late is
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 5: going to be meaningful?
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Basically one house? Right, it could be one.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: I don't like untamed, but invigorating Showers played very well
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: for me lately with.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: That invigorating in this in this set, and then you
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: have all the rest.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 5: Of your on tamed with that discard that is urge
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: of cards, so they can't play that type. That's what
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 5: I'm tamed is for. Just do all my disc again, guys.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: They know their place load ons like you could just
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: get all of your are untamed in your deck, didn't
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: didn't I invigorating Shower? You shape this Tuesday with this.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 4: Oh man, let's not use that invigorating shower you.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: I gave, I gave, I gave you the gold.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: You're right.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: I think I took all my disk stuff back and
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: then hit you again with the traumatic winds and all
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: the disruption.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 5: Sure thing like this card is one hundred times better
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: than SUPERB Duck my opinion.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I like this card a lot.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: You want to know is going ahead and setting all
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 4: of the house at the end of your deck triple
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: Precision Striker. Yeah you, I hate you Precision Striker for
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: that and only that.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 5: We'll talk about that later.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I won't.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: Okay, we've done, We've done all the new Logos cards.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: We still haven't scored this one. I'm the only one
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: who's given a sCOD. I only heard me Aaron DRez
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: But okay.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 4: Way to tune us out there.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: Man.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of talking. We we talked over
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 5: As never gave it a score that I don't.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: Right off he said five right off the bat. That's
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: the first thing I said. I was the only one
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: who said that Sloppy was five. So I was going five.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: Okay, So what on even smocos z y X Titan
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 5: Century wormhole.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: What are you going over all the cards that are
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: reprop Yeah, so just.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: Looking wild back.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: So what what's there? I mean, honestly, the first card
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: that jumps out to me, I always love seeing cyber
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: Clone cyber Clone, I g. Cyber Clone is back, imperium charge.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: Forgive and forget. I don't feel like actually lives up
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: to the value of the other cards in this.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Not any not anymore Skippy there, Skippy's back redacted as bad.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: Skippy is not good. Coad Monkey Monkey with the multiple
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: force Jesus. Yeah, you can't use your cards next turn.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: It means if they have a big board, they're not
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: utilizing it.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: Man, why do we always put cut through research?
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: Are we talking about so again?
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: No, we're not. That.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 5: Candle Unit has been strong hand in in sealed play
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: because se sucks, you have to reap the win. Makes
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 5: Candle Unit very good.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: As I said earlier, Arkun's Callback is back. I actually
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: really like this card, but I think this card goes
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: down in this set based on what makes.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: Arcs call back bad in this set is it's a
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: smaller print pool, so you're more likely to get two
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: of them, and that's not good. Like one of these
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 5: and your first card feels real good. And I like
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 5: our count's callback if I'm not playing it as the
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: first card. I kind of hate that card, like you
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 5: might get one or two draw out of it, but
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: that's it.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: Cut throat research coming back at the common Also, really, I.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: Don't know why we continue to put cutthroat research in
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: in sets that don't need cutthroat research.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: That don't have amber cost increase.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Right, yes, we got graft that least is better.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: Another why is random access archives back?
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: Like a rare amber pip archive the top card of
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: your deck, Like, this is just bad. It does say
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: niffles on it.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe it's just niffles and just suffers from.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 5: An MSG.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: So uh that card like was never good. You don't
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 5: want it, and now it's back.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: Titan Centuries back, which is nice.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah you're in charge. Yeah, at least it got a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: key cheek charges.
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: I know you guys love Wormhole Wild Wormhole back, Yeah.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, isn't. No, that's in one of the other sets, the.
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: Set from no from returning cards. What are you looking
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: for then?
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: In logos, I love that researcher always good. Yeah.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 5: Oh he's another one who's only.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Well he's okay, but he's better in multiples.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean like, yeah, I'm not going to be
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: sad to have a researcher. You're not gonna be sad.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: To have an ig research smoke, very very okay. I
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: would take that over some of the cards in this set.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 5: I will take none of him.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: Well, you want him or you want to cut throat research.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: I really like Wagh the Anchor, which was to actually
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: amber skies. But for each creature, your opponent controls an
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: excess of you. Stunning to me creature.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: You're probably already.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, well well but sometimes they just don't board you,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 5: and it matters.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 4: Yes, But timing can also be if you just played
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: a big board, I can now play this gain the
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 4: amber stun you, and then I can play my board.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: So z y X might land in this set and
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: do something.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: In sealed play, it's definitely.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 5: I guess there's extra archiving cards than there was before, so.
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: Way more archiving cards. Then I don't want archives callbacked redacted.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: See I don't I mean forgiver, don't forgive. Forget is
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 5: only as good as your next best card.
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 6: I mean the I like the versatility, right, do you
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 6: want to cards? You can purge their stuff key stuff,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 6: like I think it's.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Actually purge two cards from each discard pile. You get
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: to perch from either one up to perch up up
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: to two cards from each discard piles. I get to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: purcha two from you and two from me.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 4: Well, I think for me, But yeah, I think for me,
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: candle unit is what I really like seeing coming goes.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 5: But I want I want candle unit and sealed. I
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 5: don't know if I care so much about it In
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 5: an art.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: Deck that's fair, so it's still still take it. But
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 6: but yeah, better it's it's real good and sealed.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: So Logos, I mean, I still think Logos is one
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 5: of the better houses. After our experience today. It is
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 5: very much like playing a DT style set where you
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: may move a lot of cards, but you don't actually
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: feel like you did anything that great. Yep, but there
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 5: are good decks. We just got to play a few
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 5: of them and then maybe our minds will change. Like
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: I've definitely seen the diss just be absolutely disruptive. And
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 5: then when you and then when you're playing one of
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: those mediocre decks and then the displayers across from you
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 5: like discarding half your mediocre cards. You like your face
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: is like whatever because they're all bad anyways. But it
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: didn't really matter because that's all I felt playing against
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 5: dis on Tuesdays, like, yeah, whatever, just discard on my
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: cards because I mean, you're not going to do anything
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: and I'm losing anything.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: I had a good time discarding all your cards.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: You you were not having fun like you actually in
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: our games. This was the first time I saw you
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: just like depressed about playing. It was not a goal experience.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: Bad decks, not doing anything. And then like the one
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 5: turn I would be like, okay, I've got four story
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 5: and creatures. You would be able to kill them, and
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: I'd be like, huh, well, okay, I guess I am
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: doing nothing this game. It's great.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. So the sum of what we gave DIS and
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: the sum of what we gave Logos in terms of
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: new cards, not going back and including the the old
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: total seven for both okay. So so in terms of
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: purely new cards we rated the two thousands is exactly
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: Overall.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 6: Now, I think we gave more. I think it was
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 6: probably a little more spread out. We gave a lot
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 6: more fives, especially after Sheep and I knock some heads together.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: In dis Yeah, Logos had a higher average, but I
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: think they didn't have the lo low cards where Diss
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 3: had some lo lo twos.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: If you take reprints and put them in I don't know.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: I actually don't know who lives.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 5: I don't know. We're not going to find out tonight.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: That's an yeah.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 6: And I didn't actually check to see if it's the
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 6: same number of cards new cards.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: In each, So hold on, I've got it up right now.
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: So Logos has I'm sorry, this has forty eight. Oh
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: new cards, That's what I'm saying. Oh, I will say
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: total forty eight. Logos says probably very similar. We got
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: forty five. Yeah, I could count, but I don't feel
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: like it. That's cool, exactly, we can count another day.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: We'll count in the next time. Join us next week
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: when we count all the cards.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, super ten seconds? Ten seconds? Uh? Guesses on what's
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 5: going to happen?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: We're all the time. That is too much time. No,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: I'm just kidding, all right, So what do we got?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: So what Just check that our con set only our
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: con set Uh, you know what, I'm tired of going talk,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to go back to grim reminders. I'm
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: I'm feeling like amber Sky's is gonna do it on
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: the way out here. You are such an apologist, would
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: you just would you just do the right thing, vote
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: for whatever you could lose. I'm gonna throw.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna throw the jam just for the jam hate somehow?
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: Five nice?
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: Nice? I mean, I honestly was feeling the amber Skies
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: with you. But I'll go gr.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, that's a good enough for people.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: How many people do you think are gonna be there? Oh? Wow?
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: Why did you just why did you steal my number
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: like that?
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 5: That was kind of forty five?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Forty three? There you go? Is that all Are we
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: gonna do? Alliance? What's that Win's alliance? What's that Win's alliance?
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: Two seconds? What's that wins alliance? One? I think they
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: don't stagger it and they're seven people?
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: No, roll a die, tell me which alliance?
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be World's Colledea. Going with Dave again? No,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: he rebuilt his pretty much say for alliance? Yeah, I
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: I don't pay attention, all right, I will take that
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: local Cary come in the DT decks coming out, and
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  Speaker 3: it's gonna.
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  Speaker 1: You know, is is Aviator going? Oh yeah he is? Okay, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I can get behind DT then who knows. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can go with the crazy DT shenanigans. That's fine.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't even know what I'm playing
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  Speaker 1: at Baltimore. Yeap beside sealed because that's really I gotta get.
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  Speaker 1: I gotta get a sealed coda coda. All right, wow, alright,
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  Speaker 1: well that'll do it for us.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right, this is one that random Joe's likely
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  Speaker 5: to be here.
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  Speaker 1: You know what.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I'm going to change no, no, no, hold on, I'm
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  Speaker 6: changing to AOA because I think I think we're gonna
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  Speaker 6: see legacy library access silliness.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's my real answer, AOA.
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  Speaker 5: M Okay, you're wrong. Next m see, I don't just
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  Speaker 5: do it to you. We walk. I'll tell everybody when
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  Speaker 5: they're wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I don't all the time. It loses this impact when
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  Speaker 4: it's like you're wrong. Everyone's wrong except for you, man.
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  Speaker 4: That's yes, that is how things work. I don't is
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  Speaker 4: there a good enough library access legacy pod to even
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  Speaker 4: do it?
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  Speaker 1: I have one? Is it good enough? I mean, lots
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  Speaker 1: of people trying to buy it from me?
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  Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, well lots of people are wrong. I'll
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  Speaker 3: just keep in mind stick I have.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's fair.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I have a very very good library access stack.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, are you gonna be a Portland I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to all right? Moving forward? All right, that's gonna do
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  Speaker 1: it for us this week. We'll see y'all next week
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  Speaker 1: except for e walk.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually out for the next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: So good luck with dealing with.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: Decided to leave the land. He decided to leave snow
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  Speaker 1: to go to a different land of snow.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to Alaska.
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  Speaker 1: Oh cool, So he's leaving the cold to go to
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 1: the cold. Makes sense. I was in New York last week.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I wasn't here. We're kind of figured.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'm excited. We're gonna go it's uh. We
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  Speaker 4: have multiple national parks and then on the way back
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  Speaker 4: we'll hit it. We'll hit a cruise, so three different
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 4: national parks.
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  Speaker 1: Very excited. Nice, But that being said, we will see
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  Speaker 1: you all next week later, losers. That's why do you
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  Speaker 1: catch for Is that right? Yeah, gotta be right. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: May the Forge be with you shine, that's the wast
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  Speaker 4: crost around you.
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  Speaker 2: Sunset number was sober ride.
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  Speaker 1: And this guy's never so blue? She opened up into
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: my house.
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  Speaker 5: How do we laugh?
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  Speaker 3: As I hell y, I'll.
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  Speaker 1: Never go back to Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Not only still, I have to suit.
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  Speaker 3: The lae.
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  Speaker 2: Man's pure pointing a child, leave fortie out of my
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  Speaker 2: other side, like please don't stand me s I'm train plain.
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  Speaker 2: All I ever want in watch to train on another
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  Speaker 2: sun Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: You with you