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Why won't Mommy tell us where baby Evelyn is? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice.
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  Speaker 1: How does a fifteen month old baby girl vanish into
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  Speaker 1: thin air? How does mommy not know? Does grandmammy have
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  Speaker 1: the baby? Does granddaddy have the baby? Does the babysitter
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  Speaker 1: have the baby? What happened? Where is fifteen month old Evelyn?
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Join our investigation.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Do you know where your
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  Speaker 1: children are? Because I do? How can a fifteen month
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  Speaker 1: old baby girl, Evelyn just disappear? What's the confusion? Does
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  Speaker 1: grandmammy have her? Does the babysitter have her? Has she
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  Speaker 1: been abducted? Why am I getting so many different stories
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  Speaker 1: about where is baby? Even right there? That's a major
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  Speaker 1: red flag. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. I want you to take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to the Sullivan County Sheriff's Department pressor. Finding Evelyn is
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  Speaker 1: our main concern and our top priority at this time.
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  Speaker 1: This case is unlike anything I've ever been involved in.
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  Speaker 1: We've had a child that's not been seen by the
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  Speaker 1: parents or certain family members in almost two months and
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  Speaker 1: was just reported this week. Evelyn was last seen in
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  Speaker 1: December with As you all know, these cases are already
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  Speaker 1: time sensitive and we urge anyone with any information to
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  Speaker 1: come forward. I know there are a lot of questions
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  Speaker 1: and rumors floating around. Believe me, we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of questions that still unanswered as well. The investigation began
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  Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon, February eighteen, after the solden Cane Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: Office received a State of Tennessee Department of Children's Services referral.
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  Speaker 1: The referral stated that certain family members hadn't seen the
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  Speaker 1: Evelyn in two months. The solten Cane Sheriff's Office in
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Children's Services immediately launched an investigation to
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  Speaker 1: locate fifteen month old Evelyn Boswell. You know, at fifteen
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  Speaker 1: months old, a baby is about about that big. How
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  Speaker 1: do you lose that? It's not like you lose your
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  Speaker 1: car keys or your driver's license. How does this happen?
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  Speaker 1: How does nobody know where the baby is? At? Another thing?
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  Speaker 1: Two months? Did you hear what the sheriff, Jeff Cassidy
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  Speaker 1: just said. The baby hasn't been seen in two months?
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  Speaker 1: Is it taught? Mom? Casey Anthony all over again? It
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  Speaker 1: took him sixty days to report the baby is missing.
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  Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to analyze the clues
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  Speaker 1: left behind with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge, trial lawyer, anchor
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  Speaker 1: Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson, owner IESP Investigations Master Sergeant, Region one Crime
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  Speaker 1: SYNC Commander that doesn't come easy out of Chicago, Retired
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics at Jacksonville State University. Author
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  Speaker 1: Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. You know, Joe Scott,
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  Speaker 1: If that doesn't make somebody want to read the book,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what does Blood Beneath my Feet? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna just think about that later. Also with me,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoanalysts to the Stars out on Rodeo
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  Speaker 1: Drive joining me from Beverly Hills, She said, Doctor Bethany
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  Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. But right now I want to go
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  Speaker 1: to wc YB, Bristol, Virginia report. Kristen Kwan, Kristen, do
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  Speaker 1: I have that number correct? Did two months pass before
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  Speaker 1: anybody noticed the baby was missing or thought to call authorities. Kristen, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that would be correct. Two months went by before she
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  Speaker 1: was reported by her grandfather to the Department of Children's Right, Kristen,
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  Speaker 1: did you just say the grandfather reported her? That is correct.
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  Speaker 1: The grandfather told the Department of Children's Services that he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't seen the child in about two months. Okay, Ashu Wilcott,
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  Speaker 1: you're a mom. Two months and you don't report the
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  Speaker 1: child missing. Granddaddy has to report the child missing. What's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with that? Petri ashe a lot strong with the
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  Speaker 1: picture in terms of ourselves. Hey, Ashley, I'm glad you
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  Speaker 1: went all the way through law school. A lot. I
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  Speaker 1: like that brief and to the point, a lot, and
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  Speaker 1: you darn right, a lot is wrong with that picture.
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  Speaker 1: Let's just with starters. What's your number one problem? Without?
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  Speaker 1: Ashley woke up that it is a lack of supervision
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  Speaker 1: and then that equals criminal neglect period as a minimum. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I naturally, Joe Scott Morgan, excuse me, Joseph Scott Morgan,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, I hear what Ashley's saying, and I know
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  Speaker 1: she's correct, but I already have leapt to the next conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa terminal neglect? I'm worried the baby's dead.
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  Speaker 1: When I hear nobody has seen the baby for two months,
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  Speaker 1: I mean the baby's not in daycare. The baby hasn't
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  Speaker 1: been seen by whoever keeps the baby during the day.
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  Speaker 1: If mommy's working, where's the daddy in this scenario? What
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  Speaker 1: about neighbors? What about relatives? Anybody? Do they go to church?
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  Speaker 1: Do they drive through McDonald's every morning for coffee? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's seen the baby. That can only that's only something bad.
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  Speaker 1: There's only one outcome to that something bad. Joe Scott, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it is Nancy and one of the things that for me,
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  Speaker 1: of course, I'm a cynic. Based upon everything I've seen
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  Speaker 1: relative to death investigation of my career, I'm thinking that
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  Speaker 1: great harm has come to this child, at minimum after
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  Speaker 1: this period of time. A child this age is not
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  Speaker 1: capable of taking care of themselves. Let's just assume that
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  Speaker 1: the child is out in a wooded area by themselves.
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  Speaker 1: They can't survive in that environment. And it would leave
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  Speaker 1: me to ask questions, why is the family not more
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  Speaker 1: intensely involved. I gotta tell you, if this was my
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  Speaker 1: tiny child like this, my hair would be on fire.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be looking everywhere. I'd be shouting it from the rooftops,
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  Speaker 1: trying to find out where she is. Because she's like
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  Speaker 1: a delicate little flower out there that has no protection whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know where she is. I think the
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  Speaker 1: only person joining us today that has not heard my
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  Speaker 1: story about John David being lost is Kristin Kwan. Kristen
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  Speaker 1: w CYB. Have you heard the story about my son
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  Speaker 1: getting lost? I have not. Oh, okay, great, Jackie Brett Ely,
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  Speaker 1: we have a new audience. Listen to this. Christ and Christen.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have children? I do. I have a four
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  Speaker 1: month old. Okay, Well, good for you. They can't get
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  Speaker 1: lost in babies or us. Okay. So I was at
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  Speaker 1: the pool, the community pool, and this mother came up
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  Speaker 1: to me, and I'm pretty sure she had on a
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  Speaker 1: skimpy lily pull utzer outfit that all the flowers, and
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  Speaker 1: there I am in my black tights, in my tshirt
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  Speaker 1: and tennis sho's jumping in in my clothes and she goes, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that suntan lotion is going to give your children cancer.
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  Speaker 1: I make my own homemade organic suntan lotion. I'm like
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  Speaker 1: the children much always just shrieked white with all the
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  Speaker 1: stuff I'd put on them. So okay, I look into
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  Speaker 1: trying to make it. I don't have time to make
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  Speaker 1: suntan lotion, and so I go to Babies or Us.
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  Speaker 1: It's a giant superstore and they have shells floor to ceiling,
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  Speaker 1: and naturally I have to get down on the floor
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  Speaker 1: and I'm looking trying to find organic sun screen, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying, well, guys, I da da da blah blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah, this is only SPF fifteen. I finally stand
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  Speaker 1: up and turn around and say, Lucy, I didn't find it.
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  Speaker 1: That's the problem, Kristen. I've got twins, John David and Lucy.
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  Speaker 1: John David wasn't there. I looked both ways, and as
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  Speaker 1: I had practiced so many times, I grabbed Lucy first
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  Speaker 1: by the hand, and then I just picked her up
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  Speaker 1: like a football and started running and I didn't see
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  Speaker 1: John David anywhere. At this point, they were about a
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  Speaker 1: little shy of two years old, and I started screaming
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  Speaker 1: to lock down the place my son was missing. My
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  Speaker 1: baby was gone. Screaming at the top of my lungs.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody started looking for John David. I ran all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the front where the glass doors and windows are,
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  Speaker 1: and I turned around and there he was. They had
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  Speaker 1: on those little Rubert clogs, so he was sneaking around
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  Speaker 1: playing hide and go seek. He had just been on
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  Speaker 1: one aisle behind me, and when I went past that aisle,
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  Speaker 1: he went the other way. So as I was looking
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  Speaker 1: down both aisleways running, he was somewhere giggling. Okay, So
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  Speaker 1: I'll never forget that moment when I grabbed him and
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  Speaker 1: hugged him, because all I could think about was Adam Walsh.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, John Walsh's son, his wife rev was
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  Speaker 1: shopping at Sears for a lamp. He was one aisle away.
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  Speaker 1: He was abducted and never seen alive again. So this
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  Speaker 1: feeling that Joseph Scott Morgan is describing would be what
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  Speaker 1: any parent feels. And I agree with Ashley and Joe Scott.
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  Speaker 1: How could this moment pass and mommy not be insane?
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  Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. I want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: our friend W. J. H Ow reporter Kelly Grossfeld at
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  Speaker 1: News Channel eleven. We're talking about baby Evelyn missing sheriff
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Cassidy says this case is unlike anything he's ever seen.
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  Speaker 1: Toddler Evelyn Boswell, missing more than two months, just reported
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  Speaker 1: missing this week. New information released Friday says a babysitter
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  Speaker 1: last saw Evelyn on December tenth. While the mother, Megan Boswell,
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  Speaker 1: is working with investigators, Sheriff Cassidy says her story just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't add up. You know she is operating, but like
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  Speaker 1: to say, some of the information she's given us head
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  Speaker 1: and been really accurate. Megan Boswell was seen leaving juvenile
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  Speaker 1: court Friday morning. News Channel eleven reached out for interview,
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  Speaker 1: but she declined. The reason she was there has not
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  Speaker 1: been released. As far as her assistance in the case,
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  Speaker 1: the sheriff says it hasn't led to anything solid. Her
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  Speaker 1: stories aren't leading up to stuff that we went out
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  Speaker 1: and checked on video surveilance, I witness testimony, so a
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  Speaker 1: lot of her information hadn't been accurate. Regardless of sheriff
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  Speaker 1: is determined to bring Evelyn home. He is offering up
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  Speaker 1: to one thousand dollars of his own money as a
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  Speaker 1: reward for her safe return. I'm telling you when the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff that sheriff Jeff Cassidy puts up his own hard
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  Speaker 1: earned money. I mean, the reality is, Bruce Johnson, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're a former master sergeant and regent one in Chicago
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  Speaker 1: with a massive crime rate, a much like inner city
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta where I prosecuted. Public servants don't make much at all.
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  Speaker 1: Today I'm wearing my East Point Police T shirt. And
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  Speaker 1: I remember at the time they were making about twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty grand a year to get out and put your
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  Speaker 1: life on the line. And here you've got a sheriff
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  Speaker 1: putting up a thousand dollars of his own money out
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  Speaker 1: of his checking account to bring this baby home. What
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  Speaker 1: about that, Bruce Johnson, Well, he should be commended. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's an honorable thing for him to step up and do.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, in these smaller towns like you're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of emotion. People know each other. When
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  Speaker 1: a crime like this occurs, it affects the whole community.
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  Speaker 1: So especially with a little child like we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: this is really very unusual all the facts that are
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  Speaker 1: coming out so far. But I want to commend the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff because we all want all the answers and all
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  Speaker 1: the questions that he's asking her and we don't have
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  Speaker 1: them yet, and that's good. That's good for the investigation
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  Speaker 1: that they're working these leads. They're following the lies, they're
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  Speaker 1: following the unusual. You just hit the nail on the head,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce Johnson. Bruce is with the owner of i SP Investigations.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the problem, Kristin Kwan joining me wcyb Out of Bristol,
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  Speaker 1: Bruce at the nail on the head. They're following all
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  Speaker 1: the lies, not all the leads. That slows down an
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  Speaker 1: investigation when you have to ferret out the lies to
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  Speaker 1: try to get to the truth. I mean, I always
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  Speaker 1: she used Mark class as the goal standard because or
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  Speaker 1: the Smart family Elisbeth Smart's parents. There, take my DNA,
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  Speaker 1: take my fingerprints, and check my alibi. I'll get here's
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  Speaker 1: my phone, take my laptop, whatever you need so you
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  Speaker 1: can get past me and look from my child. But here,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Kwan, they're having to source through all the lies. Mommy,
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  Speaker 1: of all people is telling. So what was her first story?
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  Speaker 1: Kristen Kuan w c yb as to where is baby Elvin?
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  Speaker 1: What's Mommy's first story? At this point in the investigation,
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  Speaker 1: they had she There was conflicting dates as well of
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  Speaker 1: when she was last seen. The grandfather said Christmas, but
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  Speaker 1: then the sheriff was saying he felt like December ten
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  Speaker 1: or eleventh was a more accurate date. So I think
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  Speaker 1: the first thing was when was she gone. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 1: a good point, Kristen, because I thought that it was
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  Speaker 1: said she was seen around Thanksgiving, which would have made
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  Speaker 1: it even worse. But you're right, you can't start a
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  Speaker 1: timeline without day one. Ground zero is the last time
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  Speaker 1: the child has seen Mommy. Can't even tell me that
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  Speaker 1: with a straight face. Take a listen to our friend
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  Speaker 1: Maria Roberts WC yb Need's five Well. The reason I
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  Speaker 1: didn't report it or anything is because I knew the
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  Speaker 1: person who had her, and I didn't want them to
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  Speaker 1: run away with her. As soon as they thought I
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  Speaker 1: think was going on, they just kind of vanished. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm just worried about, you know, like where they're at,
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing with her at this point in time.
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  Speaker 1: Boswell wouldn't reveal who to her daughter, but says they
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  Speaker 1: were watching Evelyn while she was at work. They should
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  Speaker 1: just sprang her back. They always know, like what's going on,
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  Speaker 1: and like you know they need to bring her back home.
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  Speaker 1: When did you realize that they had completely disappeared? So
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  Speaker 1: in a way, I knew that as soon as they
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  Speaker 1: think went down, you know, the person was going to
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  Speaker 1: just disappear. And they have and they've tried to find them.
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  Speaker 1: They won't answer their phone calls. They've just kind of disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: Boswell admitt she do things differently if given a second chance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm probably called the first day. I should have. Mothers
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  Speaker 1: didn't want them to run with her like they had.
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  Speaker 1: Now give a second chance over my cold dead body, mommy,
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  Speaker 1: And this hand is going to be clutching your neck
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  Speaker 1: over my cold dead body. Are you gonna get another
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  Speaker 1: chance with any child? So you hear mommy saying, and
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall, she giggled, Jackie, did she giggle? I
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  Speaker 1: heard her child is missing and she's saying, oh, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I should have called the first day. The first day.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's an unspoken rule when my children go
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  Speaker 1: for a play day, the mom's immediately send me a photo.
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  Speaker 1: Now we gloss it over like, oh thanks, such a
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  Speaker 1: cute photo. But they know I want to see my
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  Speaker 1: child that it's so gay that they're fine, that they're
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  Speaker 1: they're at the movie, or they're there wherever they're supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be. I trust the moms. It's me, it's me.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know because I can't stand not knowing,
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  Speaker 1: because the people just like this mommy. So why is
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  Speaker 1: she giggling, Doctor Bethany Nancy. I heard such nonchalance from
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  Speaker 1: her voice, as Bethany, Bethany, the hair on my arm
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  Speaker 1: is completely I'm covered in shell bumps. How could she
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  Speaker 1: say I would have called the first day. That tells
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  Speaker 1: me at the very gate, because she hadn't even called.
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  Speaker 1: The child had been gone a day, a day overnight
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  Speaker 1: the first day she didn't call, Nancy. When you do
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  Speaker 1: a forensic interview of a parent whose child has gone missing,
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  Speaker 1: one of the things you look for and listen for
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  Speaker 1: is does the parent have empathy for the missing child?
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  Speaker 1: Are they worried? Are they scared? And you listen for
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  Speaker 1: details the parent. You want the parent to talk about,
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  Speaker 1: what was the child wearing, what was the child's last knell,
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  Speaker 1: what was the pictures taken that day? And what I
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  Speaker 1: hear in this woman's voice is that she doesn't care.
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  Speaker 1: There's a giggles, she doesn't care. And you know when
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  Speaker 1: you have a baby in a family and you talked
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  Speaker 1: about pictures, everybody passes photos along, They FaceTime, they skype,
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  Speaker 1: they send pictures, there's pictures on Facebook. M This child
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  Speaker 1: is the center of gravity for the family, right, Wasn't
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  Speaker 1: that it that way with twins that everybody couldn't wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear all details about a swim class or you know,
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  Speaker 1: did they take their first steps? Or you know what
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  Speaker 1: they eat that day? There's no details here. All you
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  Speaker 1: hear is I should have called the authorities. If I
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  Speaker 1: had a second chance, that I would do it. The
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  Speaker 1: lack of empathy and the lack of details are alarming. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let me just say it sounds like a
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  Speaker 1: lie to me. And I know that may sound judgment,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, Christine Kwan, I've probably put over a
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  Speaker 1: teen years of being on trial almost every other week.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many thousands of witness I've interviewed,
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  Speaker 1: put on a stand, cross examined, analyzed, kicked out of court,
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  Speaker 1: you name it. This is not the appropriate demeanor, and
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  Speaker 1: defense attorneys will argue with me till they're blue in
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  Speaker 1: the face that mommy doesn't need to be crying there's
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  Speaker 1: no playbook for grief. B S. Okay, that's off the
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  Speaker 1: chart on the bsameter, because this mom doesn't even sound concerned.
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  Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, you're hearing mommy speaking. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Ansley Daniel at WJHL News
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  Speaker 1: Channel eleven. Listen, let's get into the last time you
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  Speaker 1: saw her. Tell me what that time was like and
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  Speaker 1: when that was well, actually I want to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: I've told TBI where to find her in Mendota. My
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  Speaker 1: mom took her to a campground and a silver camper,
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't go tonight, I'm going to find
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  Speaker 1: her myself because I've told them and they're not really
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  Speaker 1: like taking it seriously. And if they don't go tonight,
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  Speaker 1: like I will go myself and go get her. Tell
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  Speaker 1: me about the last time though that you saw everyone.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me what you guys did and win that one
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  Speaker 1: We went to go out to eat and then my
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  Speaker 1: mom hadn't got her. She was wearing a little hot
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  Speaker 1: pink track suit with a matching bow, little matching shoes
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  Speaker 1: and were just remember twenty like right after Christmas, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit before Christmas. My mom, like you can ask her,
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  Speaker 1: is a very vindictive, manipulating person, and she basically like
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  Speaker 1: threatened me the whole time, but she was gone. Do
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  Speaker 1: you know who has everyone right now? She dropped her
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  Speaker 1: off somewhere evendowed out of silver cancer. But my mom
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us here at Fox Nation and
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  Speaker 1: Serious X one eleven Triumph Channel. Evelyn Boswell, a beautiful
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  Speaker 1: little fifteen month old girl goes missing, and now we're
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: hearing after mommy played coy with the cameras, refusing to
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: state who had her baby. She finally breaks down and
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: says it was her mother. Then her mother took her camping.
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  Speaker 1: That's let me go to Kristin Kwan, our special guests
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  Speaker 1: joining us today from wc y B Bristol, Kristen. For
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  Speaker 1: so long she wouldn't say who had the baby. Then
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: suddenly she says her mom took the baby camping. This
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is bringing up all sorts of bad memories from me.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Right now, I'm thinking about Josh Powell and Susan Cox
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Powell where he claimed he took his boys camping at
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: midnight and the mom Susan was never seen alive again.
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  Speaker 1: Then he killed the boys later on the camping scenario.
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  Speaker 1: So now Grandmammy's gone with a baby camping. That's what
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: mommy said next. Right, So she had told us at
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: first and when we spoke with her first, that she
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: couldn't tell us who exactly took the child because it
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: was part of the investigation. And then of course later
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she says that she gave her to her mother and
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  Speaker 1: that they were at a campground in Mendota, Virginia, which
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: isn't really far. It's about forty five minutes from the
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  Speaker 1: sheriff's office in Bluntble, And of course police swarmed that
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: camp ground and looked all over and didn't find anything. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. Kristin kwan WCYB. Did
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you say this campgrown ground? How are you saying it?
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: What is it? It's Mendota, It's it's the community of Mendota.
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  Speaker 1: It's actually in Virginia, but we're on the border there
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  Speaker 1: on Tennessee in Virginia. I'm very interested in all campgrounds
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: because we're big campers, we're big r vs. The works.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: So what really struck me? Another thing? To Ashley Willcott, judge,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: trial lawyer, anchor Court TV. Ashley, did you hear mommy say,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: and if they don't go look for her, I will,
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  Speaker 1: I will go out there. Why haven't you already been
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: out there? What are you threatening me? You're going to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: go try to find your child? Did you hear that?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I will go myself. You should have had your rear
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  Speaker 1: end You're sorry, wear end out there looking for the
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: child already. Did you hear that? Yeah? I completely agree
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: with you. This case flies all over me for so
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: many different reasons. But first of all, clearly she's never
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: had any parenttal papacity, or else. She would have known
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: exactly where her daughter was every minute of every day,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: like you said. The second thing is not only did
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: she say, well, then I'll go look if you're not
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: going to, she also starts focusing on You have to understand,
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  Speaker 1: my mom is a very manipulative person. She's taking no
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: responsibility or interest in her own child. She's blaming everybody else.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Good point, doctor, Bethany Marshall, Psycho Allen's joining me out
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. Did you hear what Ashley Wilcott just said.
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  Speaker 1: The mom is saying, I don't think they're taking me seriously,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: and if they won't go out there and look for
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: my child, I will. The first thing she should have
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: done as she was calling nine one one, which she
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: didn't do. She should have been running to her car
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to get to that campground. And now she's played a
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: game with me. We don't play when there's a missing child. Bethany.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: This is what perpetrators do. They blame everybody else, and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: they're entitled. So she's acting as if a law enforcement
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: rest two teams people are searching for her child owe
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  Speaker 1: her something that they owe her to find this child.
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  Speaker 1: She as a mother is not responsible for her own child.
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  Speaker 1: She as a mother does not have to be concerned.
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  Speaker 1: She does not have to care. You know, she has
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  Speaker 1: no insight into how she's coming across to everybody, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: they love their children. They're attached. They say, oh, let
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: me see this, let me show you this picture, or oh,
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  Speaker 1: my baby took her first steps yesterday, or oh you
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: know why, I just love holding my baby. You know,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: there's all these references to the baby. There's no references
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to baby Evelyn. There's only references to law enforcement and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: the searchers and rescue teams as if they owe her something,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and that is a huge red flag. Again, I want
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to focus on something that she said, Joseph Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: Did you hear her threatening to go look for her
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  Speaker 1: child herself. Did you hear that? Yes? I did, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I'll certainly did. And I'm amazed you wouldn't be able
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  Speaker 1: to find me if this was my child, because I'd
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  Speaker 1: i'd I'd be running through heaven and hell to try
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  Speaker 1: to find this child. I'd be in total and complete
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: physical exhaustion because I was looking for every stone to
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  Speaker 1: overturn to find this baby of mine. I didn't hear
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: this here. Well, what really got off with me is
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: that she's basically toying with the reporters, and I want
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to go back to Kristin Kwan joining me from wcy B, Bristol,
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  Speaker 1: when she says, if they don't go look for her,
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  Speaker 1: I will. It's her duty, her duty to go look
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  Speaker 1: for her child. When you were around her or spoke
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: to her or observed her, Kristin Kwan, what is mommy's
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: demeanor to me? She just was kind of nonchalant about
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. I mean, we interviewed some people at
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like a local business because the baby had gone missing,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and they had more emotion for this lost child than
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: she did. Can you describe that for me, Kristen, because
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: guys with me, Kristin Kuan is intimately familiar with this case.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: She's there on the scene. Tell me what you mean
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: by that, because I'm imagining all sorts of you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: you're talking to the local first or salesman or the
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: seven to eleven guy or whoever. Tell me when you
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: say the moms scene seemed nonchalant, Give me details. What
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: do you mean by that? Don't leave it up to
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: my imagination, Wenny. When you listen to her interview, you
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: can hear she isn't really crying. She doesn't just seem upset.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It was almost like she was loving the TV attentions
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: that she was getting versus these business You know, if
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: we would go to these business owners who were donating
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: all their profits to helping find Evelyn, and they're in tears,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: just so upset about the fact that this little baby
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: has gone missing, and we didn't really see that a
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: lot from Maggie, from the mother Megan. You know, after
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: my fiance was killed and I became a prosecutor, I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: thought I'd never have children or Mary, and I had
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: always dreamed of I haven't a little girl. I actually
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: dreamed I would have a little girl. And when I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: had Lucy, and of course, my joy, John David, I
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: call him my joy in her my delight. I couldn't believe,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you know how blessed I was. And I'm looking at
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: this picture and I have all sorts of little t
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: shirts like that for the twins, and I'm looking at
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: her now and it's very difficult for me to play
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: for you. From our friends at WJHL News Channel eleven,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Ashley Sharp listen, the Sullivan County Judge increased Meghan Boswell's
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  Speaker 1: bond from twenty five thousand dollars to one hundred and
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: fifty eight thousand dollars. Now, this follows last week's discoveries
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: of human remains believed to be those of the missing
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: child Evelyn, on family property. A DBI special agent testifying
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: in court today clarifying that investigators sound the body of
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: a child matching Evelyn's age description and last known outfit
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: at the property on Muddy Creek Road in blunt Field.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: He believed the last known sighting of Avelyn to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: December twenty sixth. The agent also testified multiple items were
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: found at the scene belonging to a child. There was
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: various various child clothing, toys, the job. The body of
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: baby Evelyn was found surrounded by toys. What we are
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: learning is that the baby's body was found at an
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: outbuilding on property I believe was owned by relatives of mommy.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: At first, the identification of baby. The baby was made
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: by its clothing because it matched the clothing of a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: description given by the mother. I'm assuming that would have
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: been the hot Pink track outfit. Take a listen now
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: to wcybani's reporter Olivia Bailey, new information related to this
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: case against Megan Boswell and the disappearance and possible finding
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of Evelyn Boswell's body. Now, we didn't know on Friday
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that the authorities where there is part of a serf.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: Not a whole lot of information clear about what led
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to that surf, but we do know that some new
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: information came into authorities that led them there on Friday night.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: But we are learning new information out of these court
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: documents that came out of Meghan Boswell's bond hearing yesterday.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: And in these documents, they they tell a story that
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the child's body was located by law enforcement in an
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: outbuilding on that property that it defines one hundred block
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: of muddy free growth. They also say those clothing description
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: match that of what Meghan Boswell gave authorities. We're also
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: learning a little bit more about why that bond increase.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: They're saying that he is a flight risk and even
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: in the documents of State r she would pose a
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: substantial risk of harm to the community should she be
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Relief Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Kristin Quine. I'll be
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: right back with you, but I want to go to
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, I've seen a lot of
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: dead bodies a lot of autopsies, a lot of crime scenes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: There's I can't put the right name to it, the
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: right words to it, when you have a child murder victim.
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  Speaker 1: But I think about the first time I ever bathed
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the twins. We were in the hospital because they were
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: in Nikki for a really long time. And the first
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: bath was in the nick you metal sink and it
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  Speaker 1: was shallow, it was an oval, and I laid down
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  Speaker 1: fresh towels and held their heads so their head didn't
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: touch the sink and just trickled water, warm water over
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: them and it would go down and make the towels
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  Speaker 1: warm under them, because I didn't want them to be
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: shocked by the water. Well, they loved it, of course,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: but I was just thinking about how I was so
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: worried about hurting their little arms and legs and with
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: the soap dry their skin out. And this baby has
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: been found out in an out house, as they're calling it,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: on abandoned property, in the cold, with all her toys
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and her diapers, clothes just strown around her, just thrown
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: in there. It's just almost too much to take in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, that is Nancy. It's almost you know, you
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  Speaker 1: look at it, and you know, I echo your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: here because you look at it and you know, as
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: an investigator, you try to be very clinical as best
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: it can when you're a scene and when you're in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: the autopsy room, but there's still a thing that creature
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: hard when you see all all that surrounds surrounds a victim,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and it's almost like with this little baby, and because
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: she is a baby, has been discarded like a piece
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: of garbage, just like the diapers, just like the clothing,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: just like the toys, and has been left all alone
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in this environment. But we can learn fortunately a lot
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about the nature of the person that did this because
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: it goes to this idea of callousness that you could
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: take this fragile little creature and that you could do this.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: It points in a specific investigative direction and for the
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: police officers that are at that scene, the investigators that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: are having to deal with this, they have to be
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: able to separate their emotions from it and take down
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the facts because the reality is is that you want
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: to bring a person to justice that did this. You know,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: to Christine Kwan WCYB Bristol, tell me about the discovery
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: baby ellen Bosl's body. Yeah, it happened late one evening.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: We had kind of heard a tip basically that police
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: were at that house and on that property. Whose property
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: is it isn't the grandfather's it is, it's the grandfather's property.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And I believe that that's also where she claims that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: she resides, so as far as her court documents go,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: that's where she says she lives. That's significant, Kristin Kwan,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: because I mean, what unknown part some mysterious child abductor
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and her raincoade and covering his face would take the
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: child and then go circle back to the home and
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: hide the body on the home. I mean, it limits
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: who your pool of who you think is the killer?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: That the body is right there on the family property.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: And coincidentally, this grandfather is the one that called I think,
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: isn't the grandfather that first reported her missing? Yes, that's correct, Okay,
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: I got off track. You go back to discovery of
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: the body. Yeah, So that night, you know, we received
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: a tip and we went out there and you could
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: see police of course all over, and they actually held
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: a press conference at night to say that they believed
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: that they found human rule remains that they believe belonged
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to Evelyn and then they also the amber alert was
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: taken down on that day. I can only imagine the scene.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: What they're saying, she was found in an outhouse. What
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: kind of a structure was it, Kristen? So to me,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it looks kind of like a typical shed that you
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: would buy to put in your backyard to store lawnmowers
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: and things of that nature. Wooden looking or a metal pod?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: What was it? Yeah, it's probably it's probably metal. And
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: then it has a door, kind like a garage that
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you would list up. Is it made to look like wood? Yes,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: it's painted, so it's kind of really hard to tell, gotcha.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I've seen those. I've seen those. They look like a
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: little gosh and almost it's like a child's toy farmhouse,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: like a playhouse kind of. It's painted, but I suspect
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: that it is metal to withstand the elements, you know.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: It says a lot to doctor Bethany Marshall, psycho Allen's
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: joining me out of Beverly Hill said, the scene is
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: staged when you have a and I mean by that
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the toys, the diapers are clothing thrown all around the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: baby or laid around her. Positioned around her. It was staged.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: A random killer would not do that. They do the deed,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: they leave, they want to get away from the scene.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Someone that is intimately familiar with the victim will cover
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: the face, hide the body, secret it away, or stage
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: it with flowers or toys around it. A random killer
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't take time to do that, Doctor Bethany, what does
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: it say to you, see, Nancy, I see it differently.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I don't see it as being staged. I see it
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: as the perpetrator threw away the clothes, the diapers, the
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: toys along with the baby. You and I covered a
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: story many years ago, and I don't remember the name
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: of the mother, but the child went missing. The investigators
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: went to the home and all the baby toys and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: pictures were already in the trash can outside. And then
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I remember it very well. It was out of Florida, right,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: So whoever discarded baby Evelyn discarded all of her belongings
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: as well. I hope to see it as being staged.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: I see it as a dumping ground for everything that
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: reminded the perpetrator about this baby. When this baby came
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: into the world, she was unwanted, unlike your two babies
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: who were wanted, beloved taken care of. This baby was
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: unwanted from the beginning. I think that the perpetrator was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: already fantasizing about getting rid of her and her belongings
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and had already prepared a dumping ground. And interestingly enough,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the dumping ground, the disposal site for the baby and
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: the baby's belongings, was on the very property of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: person who reported her missing, the grandfather. What does that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: say about the relationship between the perpetrator and the grandfather.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: You know here you can have her. I'm going to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: dump her on your property. You can have all of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: her toys and goods too. This is what I know. Mommy,
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Evelyn's mother is sitting behind bars right now for the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: death of her child. But that is cold comfort for
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: the people that love baby Evelyn. We wait as justice
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend.