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Construcción Plural - Programa 1130 · Construcción Plural - Radio Trend Topic

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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts.
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Listen to him on radio train topic. Believe me, if I understood you
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well with the taxes on the fare, all the flies are scytheed at the
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rates. People run out of money, not buying. Now the drine Bacdad
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told me, although you look like an economic commentator, you see that you
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understand the coopera minister. That' s lume one thing. People are drier
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than country cookie. Not only can he not buy dollars, but he can
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buy us morfe and he can buy us remedy. You can' t buy
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pastia, you can' t buy paints or combs or combs. Nothing can
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buy. It' s small details. So many told me while giving me
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a wafer that said I don' t have stereo. Sonse small detail of
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home microeconomics. What do we care about in macroeconomics? Take time, we
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' ll change the face of the poor country. They' re going to
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disfigure it even more notes, perón, the only thing that we mean is
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a small effort today so that tomorrow we can have in Argentina power with which
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our elders dreamed trying, but a small sacrifice today for son, a small
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sacrifice today so that our peaks have tomorrow inherit a large part round pertin,
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warm ch and listro listen to me. Ever since I was a little girl,
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I' ve been hearing that nothing from the future has to be sacrificed.
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The national motto has always been to fuck yourself today to enjoy tomorrow and
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each other. But the future, by decision, is so sweet how late
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we communicate here coming the week as alone on Wednesdays in prural construction, in
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a short while, after spending yesterday on a great program that we had starting
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the week with the political builder, Carlos Fara, and with Agustín Monteverde,
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Gustino speaking deflation, Carlos Fara, talking about that in function of the crisis,
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of the failures of quinerism, especially but also of macri, there is
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fear, there is greater social tolerance, that do not surprise him, but
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there is no blank check that society is starting fifty- fifty support and rejection,
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and support is more expectation than confidence. But we will see today you
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will be talking to another political consultant, also about the communication of President Millake
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and today the same thing went against journalism with the political sutros, Javier Correa,
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and after them we will be with our correspondent in North America, Gustavo
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Ferrari Wolfenson. Tomorrow we close with audios of Alejandro Rojo and his economic life
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and Daniel Kipper live. I say the amplitude of brural construction in the 20th
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temporal that we are up to the air doing in name. We are not
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going to Agustín Monteverde, Alejandro Roffman de Julio Gambina, camelotecorn O, his
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partner Maria Gasti Leoni, both directors of economic associal oil. We are as
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plural as possible. Obviously, I have an opinion, I have a subjectivity.
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I was critical of quinerism, I was critical of maccrie, I was
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critical of another stage, I was not talking about mass, and today I
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am very critical of Milan. But beyond that look there is subjectivity. But
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there' s impartiality. There' s no bias. I don' t
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have a political educator' s shirt. I don' t get paid for
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such a sector or such a political party or such a political leader. It
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doesn' t charge a political leader to get the air out. And there
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' s also no bias. Let' s say no, you have your
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subjective look since you' re born almost picks a color, a favorite number,
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a football club, but there' s impartiality to say and there'
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s no bias. That said and the President came back and now because the
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other day, as we saw later the animal seeing Ty Ben al Linchi,
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almost a encouragement to child labour and against the obligatory of education, something that
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is, like discussing, not the caveman, which in Millayra came out of
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authorizing, but which in campaign endorsed, because that is how the liberals are.
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He believes that above all one can decide with respect for one' s
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neighbor, but as if the child is a possession of me, then say
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it is also a bit inconsistent about abortion. Not because you abort it.
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In theory, they are against very right abortion. You can' t say
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about a geto and what I know, but you can say about a son
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of eight or ten fifteen years old that in the middle of three, instead
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of being educated I have to put up the workshop that we' re talking
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about, obviously about my little patron, who was talking about someone humble,
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because a person with an economic and medium- sized Mudian position up we'
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re not going to let his son go to school in high school so that
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he goes to work with him and subtract a salary. We don' t
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have a sea employee to have the child with him. Well, the President
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is censored what he supported in Campania because deep down, this is how libertarianism
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lives this Pachister and again he was undertaken with the journalist Rubina Mangel talking good
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that a little what they all do I say to see. The problem with
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Millay is that it is more of the same, not that it is different,
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it is a little different for Pedro in some reds, because after more
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of the same is the norm of quinerismo especially to a large extent. Some
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things about macrism. No president likes criticism. They all want to get rid
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of them. Intermediaries of power are the chains that have been so much launched
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by nationals of Cristina Fernández, so much national error and law with Twitter.
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It' s just that he has direct contact with people. Lying things,
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because what you see is journalist, you ask him, you question him punctually,
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you ask them in journalism and the act replicated world juido cendri brs.
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This is what matters, too, is the question, not only the question,
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but the question, the challenge, let us say the interviewee or the
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realist one to whom it may be. Some of them are in front of
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them to consult, to dialogue. The journalist is a prosecutor. He always
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gave this up. They' re not judges, we' re prosecutors.
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We have to look for some evidence, but what they want is to eliminate
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journalism, because Miley doesn' t go around answering everything either. If it
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were so direct, it' s not that he answers every network of the
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billion answers to millions he receives he doesn' t get to answer them.
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So direct contact is a lie, it' s eliminating the journalist to communicate
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with people or from the national chain. And Cristina Fernández to this of today
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' s milay of the use and abuse of Twitter, which in Focus,
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in qualitative study, comes out that people don' t like it. I
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prioritize other things, I work the speech and so on, but it doesn
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' t hear the end of Guineanism, but they don' t like the
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abuse of using the Witter They attack the corruption of journalism and this is true.
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Let' s just say we' ve said it' s true that
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journalism is flooded with corruption, with envelopes of political business support. But well,
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he also has as a model the menemism that was the law of corruption.
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He plays with little spending for all the rative, austerity, but never
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criticizes corruption. He is only caught when corruption does not suit them in theory,
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and when it would come from our colleagues, from journalists who are to
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attack him and after the interviews to them, like Cristina Fernández or usto,
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to journalists friends in the milay more forgiveness than he. The nation more and
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it did. That would be done in most of the presidents in Argentina,
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at least a good part of the world. But he doesn' t complain
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in the nation. Beyond militant journalism or the surplus mercenaries, there is a
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paradigmatic case, because there is a right idea, obviously, in the nation.
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One thing is the reader of the nation, which is very serious and
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has very critical notes against Mila, and another thing on the television signal as
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a game cast of eggs. It' s a little basket, but the
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nation more on a mercenary channel as it is still is. It wasn'
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t quinerism, it was zinced and it was critical of anything from my law.
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I say a laje that I don' t like. He' s
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in the morning. It' s a release of a kind of coherent rights.
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You want a parathematic case now. It' s such a peeled Trebook,
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that he was the peeled Chronicle, that he' s a low-
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roof mercenary and it looks good there my law. We' re not going
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to yesterday. It is seeing very tar in the journalists that he likes to
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be thrown center or that they operate for him in leftovers or with pattern from
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wherever it is. And the effect is also how no president likes the criticism
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and sent you the affie, that is to say that he made her abuse
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her or that I or the FIP know. Well the thousand and I lived
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the most jullior time. Someone the same good, the same scary miles so
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far is very noble. There were no intelligence services in principle, and there
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was no FIP operation, but they play the role of encouraging the journalist not
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to be afraid. There was an interview because the President was critical. Don
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' t get out good. I repeat, the journalist is a prosecutor,
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not a judge. He has to be honest and in few cases he,
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unfortunately, in this provision surrounded by egos. But then this milay comes out
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of Twieth only to check and criticize journalists because they don' t have to
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be critical and they don' t sit down to see rumors of the day.
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On Friday the inflation data is released. The Government has spoken and so
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has it, especially in the nation more than ten and it is itching a
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drop from thirteen and thirty- two. If I am not mistaken to the
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inflation of the month of February, when it is a month with the seasonality
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strong moments of matter education. March is a month ago like December, for
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example, and it went out to install the ten a ten five, something
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so it seems difficult this height not to achieve if it said thirteen two of
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February, twenty- six in January, twenty- five, five in December,
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it is in the Milliy Maya management of December, above all it responds
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to the Villa return, already with the mass effect. I say in this
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sense and the rumors of Lavaña, if the number of eleven or twelve of
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any complaints any personal discomfort of Milay with Marcos Lavaña, some inconvenience while I
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or not talking with deflation does it yesterday about some products of a hanged,
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bust and mount. Now that with us strikingly more than there may be any
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product of low millen ate on that point. This trout can be the sick
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one from Twitter, that trucha account from the bot something that followed yumbo prices
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and wasn' t yumbo. You won' t enter a Turcha account.
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Not faith in the despair of looking for some natural. What they do all
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the political stuff. The politician who has ten facts grabs the good one who
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speaks well has a poll of a man of inflation, a comment or whatever,
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he will not win the bad, in naturalizing the human being a little
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bit, but the desperation to show him snowy inflates. He grabbed a bot
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first that I aim after my law to give a trout account that spoke four
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percent of inflations. His jumbo dump on those items the products he sells,
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which was a delusion And far from talking about this phenomenon of deflation that yesterday
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king mentioned to you Monteverde very close to my law, but not official here
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yesterday and friend of my house yesterday with us. Well, there' s
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concern because the relationship is going little. Little can be seen, that the
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digit still does not arrive and there are some rumors about capoint. This isn
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' t going to happen now, and there' s also rumors about La
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Vania, there' s rumors of some pressure. There are probably closed rumors
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about a pressure on Marcos, the Vana and Lindeck' s numbers, and
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there have also been rumors about spert heating up, using heating or replacing caputo.
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And if someone' s going to replace capoint today that they don'
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t, this isn' t going to be a kid or tomorrow. It
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would be rather black twist that is crouching, but well, we' ll
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see. It was his holiday in this regard. The tweets of La Van
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yesterday, Marcos Lavan the tendech a little bit just seems like getting rid of
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those bots. It' s probably a thousand LEDs a trucho boo that Twitter
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trout account. Surely this to Milake knowing people who must not have liked anything.
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Official statistics are a public good and replaceable. Indec measures the social economic
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phenomena with which the population can make decisions based on evidence of political and geological
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interests. Surely this Milake who walks through his ally' s land did not
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like anything. Yanke wants it now to get the money the fund that denies
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him by the fund or more are joining. It' ll be because I
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read. There' s a tweet over there. There' s a surprise
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coming. That some twitter from the bowls of libertarian followers. Milay retweets him.
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I was wondering on Twitter that they fix the surprise. It must be
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arranged that the musk will be the first candidate and potted by provinces good areas
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in next year' s legislative elections. The libertarians do not know and in
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this framework I recommend a very good nosta of Martin Caparrós against Bibile and live
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better. He gave them only one public passage where he writes in the country
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of Madrid, that great newspaper against my law. We will live better,
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which is a bit of a revival than when we were a lot of half
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society composed of menemism. Not against Milake We live better against a thousand Leguan.
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We are, of course, out of the nineties many menemism and then
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I who we were made to divide us. That' s not what I
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' m saying. I have Peronist friends and until you intersect, with what
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I get. I' m talking about a Social Democratic Peronist attempt to get
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out of this. But of course, then, just like in quinerist methods,
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there' s going to be a water divide again. Meanwhile, his
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Milay government and Caparros says in a paragraph that you are only a Leo continues
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to destroy in Argentina, hamble Argentines attacking them in truce. His head of
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Antistate, he who stand before states, a criminal society, that God is
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the enemy. He said with fantino in three hours and I then took three
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hours to run a journalist friend, three hours. His head of antistates fights
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with millions of compatriots all the time. Not only are those who support him
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rejected by Argentines well, the others are left- handed, rats, orcs
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criminals, but he has curtailed the purchasing power of almost all of them.
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He entered twenty- five and thirty- five percent of his first four months
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of management. That' s Martin Caporo. One note reiterated highly recommended.
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Okay, I' m going this way a little bit? I' ll
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see a little bit? Review in this opening to see my instagram to see
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what points I have to see the last thing I study. If I have
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anything else to recommend. In Mistarra I was obviously uploaded, the note Estaglari
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in bierem two thousand twenty- two. As we say in the batch this
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note of capers. What I was saying yesterday, what I pointed out,
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what I had long burned with Jorge la NATA on radio colleague in Mitre,
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Elisa carrió that I would not give her rule anything that above, but her
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analyses and social X- rays are perfect. Now I' ve done it
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yesterday with the NATA We' re facing the biggest attack on the middle class.
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The deputy had fun because of the recession caused by the current economic plan.
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Well said and done and disowned Miley, what can fail in the question
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one came to ask said that the Nation, speaking of journalism, is being
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critical. No. This stage on Monday the Government did not purchase 14 million
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school books under a national programme. The legacy lacks transparency, that is,
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transparency. I stop everything and analyze in theory. I look at it well,
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suppose we give it the right. Analyze them well, well. It
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cannot stop us from all levels, attention, not eating, the remedies they
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need, drugs and other incalculable diseases. Let' s say well, so
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we' re at this point. Unfortunately, we are standing today with this
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government that came to raze everyone after disasters and sens above all generism and in
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less time had the macrism there we see the cause nation. I' m
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sure they ordered it. Alberto Ferrande' s inhibition of property is another felon
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who played honest. Not good. Now the government has remembered in the middle
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class, because the foculas we manifest this in a video that we upload today
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and Instagram has remembered the middle class to touch to point clarin stage of yesterday
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and others because but through regulation the cable telephone service and others because of course,
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the focus, the polls tell them that people worry about how the preparations
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are. Now, three months after they regulated with a decree, they shake
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hands with that decree it seems that it did not exist and cares about the
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price. His bots all went out to talk, characterization forgiveness and so on.
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Well, as I say we' re going out now. I will
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answer governments late over late. But surely, the new libertarian enemy is the
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prepaid ones. Well, so it looks like the government' s gonna go.
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Let' s see you publish lilisfara. He said well, he'
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s not bad at all hoods. It says what people want is to see
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action. We' ll see about action, said Mt Ore. Yesterday I
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was getting the attention of the police. But even in times of adjustment,
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wild, light and gas. Yes, even in that I would tell Fernando,
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a producer or a trader to analyze his cost position and lower prices.
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He' s gonna win that way by getting ahead of the competition. I
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will not answer Augustine, because it is no longer raia, obviously, but
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good I always myself of freedom. Obviously, you have to give competition and
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I have had the freedom of prices, but this verse that you don'
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t have to regulate anything, control, nothing defense of the competition, of
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defense of the consumed, nothing with the barsito. There we have it with
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the prepaid, the caraterization. Miley is not against obligopolies, nor is he
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against monopolies. So, it' s a living Pepa where the liberals don
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' t care anything that didn' t govern yesterday Carlos Fara said again.
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Melay wear is mild, but it occurs. We are between fifty and fifty
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between supports and that approval, which for him, for the present, is
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not bad. The middle this adjustment. People feel that today this is totally
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like this. There are no alternatives. We have just voted also and all
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of Buenos Aires with the dystopia that my law means just for the dead camp,
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separated, devastated generism. We have to do periodism. People feel like
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there' s no alternative to the other side. He said to us after
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the failures governing generism, macrism, there is a son believe in quotation marks,
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rather than approval, beyond supporting the course, of understanding that I am
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being read by necessary measures and there is a little defensive. Let' s
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also see and hope this is very interesting. It is not something that we
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should recognize how much worse the remedy was than the disease. Watch out for
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this in a few months and people will see that the remedy is worse than
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the disease. Well opening of this multi- purpose construction, as I say
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Wednesday in a short while already Javier Correo, director of Dhatock, public opinion
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analyst and after them, our co- responsible of North America is Gustavo ferrraint
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volvenson always with the air, the friend Juan Eximio danes Almagro and reproduction,
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of preproduction of low silvia hello. How does Alejandro robot Manne, his usual
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general column, the adjustment, speak to them, continues to advance, which
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causes a rescresive process, not seen since the year two thousand twenty of the
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pandemic and in the last twenty years total that is going to ulichar because there
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is still above all on the companies, a very strong attack to its premity
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of expenses. With the increases in gay electrici they are innumerable. The productive
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activities that depend on both key sectors in the area of fuels to produce come
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manufactured and that will provoke awakening of the prices in products such as planers,
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for example, pizzas, many items that rest on the generated activity, or
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complete energy systems enseimas, for example, production of plas, chickens and eggs
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that depend on viable heating systems, gas or electricity and scriptwriter. It would
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be endless. This adjustment is justified by the Government for the time being and
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there is light at the end of the tunnel. It is not said when
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the tunnel will be in its full length and neither what the light consists of
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and stop adjusting or growing if it is believed to appear in other very serious
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problems, such as external restriction. It is necessary to buy inputs and machinery
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abroad to produce, especially raw materials, and that causes a flow of dollars
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for such purchases that the Central Bank has in no way available. We are
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talking about the Central Bank of one and a very important superlable in relation to
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what was last year and previous years in the level of reserves of the Central
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Bank, but it is omitted that importers are not paid in dollars, and
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then we are accumulating a phenomenal debt that is already estimated at ten zero million
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dollars for goods that have been imported in the middle of a recession and have
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not been paid with the corresponding imbalances. Why it' s phenomenal adjustment,
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because it' s assumed with your pilar well fiscal or at least good fiscar
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equal to zero. Inflation is fought and inflation is not related to the fiscal
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chief, but let' s look at the last two inflationary jumps and the
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last two years, that of the middle of the two thousand twenty- three
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with mass was devalued by the Monetary Fund by twenty- two percent and a
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leap in inflation of August and September of last year and the devaluation of one
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hundred and eighteen percent Jenglay on December 13, which caused another inflationary jump that
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with the data of this month of March of the injection will be recognized in
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the coming days. It will already mean an increase in the CPI in Miley
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' s government after December 13th close to 100 percent, as well as the
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increase in costs led to and took away all the advantages of mass devaluation.
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The increase in current costs is going to take all the advantages of the devaluation
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of millay and we are going to return again to the point of partiality.
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The central issue is to be played with regard to the exchange rate depending on
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what the maize producers resolve is toja. They keep their products in centuries waiting
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for better value of the dollar or, if there is, they market to
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play with the financial bicycle, because we are on another bike. Monthly the
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Central Bank devalues at two percent, but the interest rate of a fixed term
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still reduced below inflation, is at the end of five six percent per month,
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very good business for those who make the bike. This scenario that we
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are painting, that of adjustment, generates significant blows in life and in the
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population, in employment and in the economic capacity and of the enterprises. The
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leader has recently said that his goal to be like Ireland, which has levels
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of economic freedom and is a country that today has a per capicha GDP is
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more than one hundred and fifty percent higher than that of the United States.
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But one forgets something invaded all that concept that the Irish authorities have sharply lowered
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tax rates on companies, which led to the establishment of 1, 500 multinationals
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such as Facebook, Google, my Amazon and as the sales of these companies
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are declared in Ireland, the GDP is counted in the calculation but there they
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do not do any outstanding economic activity or job genius in the country. They
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' re just taking advantage of a tax loophole. What are the prospects ahead
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of us in the cost of essential services in each family unit, in each
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industrial enterprise. We' re wondering Let' s go. I watch live
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here. We' re here, we' re here. They imagined moving
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away Rome, for the first part, for the second part, tomorrow,
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after the interview in the kipper here to close the week, in brutal construction,
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eighteen degrees, is clouded, that they do not cloud, that the
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sun rises a little bit. We' re going to save Javier Correa,
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political consultant, director of at Cock. Whatever he wants to say. Javier,
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good afternoon, Fernando, greetings, how are you doing today, Fernando,
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how are you doing well, well, very well, Adhock ad hoc
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how do I tell behaviors a lot good ones. This is an armed team
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to good doc. It comes from there well, good something armed. As
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we say a custom suit, perfect, perfect, very good, Javier to
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see I think it is something that we talked about fifteen twenty days ago,
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but let' s remove the Argentine somehow. He likes the pennance mode,
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the belligerent mode, which we see accentuated by my law today, but which
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he already had in the Ks in marriage k exponents of this kind of leadership,
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because we always talk about that Milay is an emergent. Not obviously,
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it doesn' t come down from a flying dish. This figure is sometimes
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in favor of journalism. This is the way society is to a large extent,
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we are not talking about everyone. No, I don' t want
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to, I don' t include myself there, sure, but I mean
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in good measure, I like that kind of personalist, paternalistic, fighting leadership.
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Well, the question can' t be too broad. We can go
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to the story of how caudilloism works in Argentina. But to make it a
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little more earthly and closer. I wouldn' t say it' s about
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whether I like it, it' s about expectations. That is, you
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can find in much of the society that supports things that you don' t
25:21
like as long as you meet your expectations. Today it seems to me that
25:26
much of society, of course not all, but much of society. What
25:30
you are looking at is a little beyond what happens in the day to day,
25:33
certainly distracted by things that, in my opinion, are not the important
25:38
ones, but with a very strong expectation that things will get better at once.
25:45
That expectation is reinforced by what I would call a little trap, which
25:51
is that things apparently change the dirruption. What it does is to give you
25:56
a shake, to make you really react or different to pay another attention,
26:03
and that, obviously, will reinforce the expectation that you have of change.
26:04
It seems to me that this Government, in that sense, from a purely
26:07
communicative point of view, is doing very well. It has modified so much
26:14
certain consensuses, a certain form, certain codes and the glory of that goes
26:18
away that is probably where the expectation continues to work very well, because they
26:23
are seeing a change. What needs to be seen is whether these changes later
26:26
result, what kind of changes later or what results they do not. But
26:32
it seems to me that answering tedes is not about I like it or I
26:34
don' t like it, but about the expectation that I make a society
26:37
or apart from the general society, no, but more of it I like.
26:41
I don' t like it. I mean to see part of it
26:42
somehow, with part of being Argentine. That or me, for example,
26:47
Fernando Mauri, and I speak for myself in this case with my navel.
26:49
I don' t like that kind of leadership of leaders say, I like
26:55
someone else' s consensus what yells at us so much that insults us from
26:59
the kinners My lady you more of a taste, we like capable that she
27:02
likes me. Not in brown, not in society. It doesn' t
27:07
happen with what society wants much, well it depends if you go inside.
27:12
The interior requires or at least is used to. It should be analysed,
27:18
but it works very well. The governor would call you a strong warlord,
27:25
and that works very well and has to do with strictly cultural issues. It
27:30
has to do with the dependence that occurs in many provinces of the interior,
27:34
for example, with the State. There are problems of the interior where the
27:40
most important news of the literal time, this, Fernando, is the schedule
27:45
of payments, because the one who pays is the State. Public employment is
27:48
the most important, the income of society. In many provinces I talk about
27:53
Catamarca, I talk about cuckoo and I can talk to you about background.
27:56
Art much provided is important when you have a governor or a weak government.
28:02
All that makes you unsure, because it' s not just your oven,
28:06
but probably your boss. Then it has to do with it, and it
28:11
' s much deeper. This can go to the history of the warlords in
28:12
Argentina. How it works. Let' s say we go away, but
28:18
I mean, you might not like it. It may be that a society
28:21
I want about you say is not a society. That' s more,
28:26
I' m going to say it in a derogatory way for the hermit both
28:30
cente and that, besides that we like more celeal or other. But because
28:33
we have another culture, another way of life and we probably have another chance
28:37
to develop it totally good to do. When we told them that you were
28:40
going to talk to the jaber leash, we mentioned it to them on Twitter
28:42
as well. The interesting note that is the tasty would say not ta that
28:47
published it in online politics. Look for the googlen hypnotic government. Otero,
28:51
well, just unwinding a little bit of that note. To see you say
28:55
that Argentina is not talking about how important we, as a small part,
29:00
but part of the media system, that the networks and also the opposition leadership
29:03
follow. Or we keep dancing the rhythm of my law, because the campaign
29:08
has passed and he pushes part of that rhythm. But now things continue to
29:11
happen when you manage, and so you say a little bit that half of
29:17
the country and it' s the numbers that we talk about doing it here
29:21
with Carlos Fara half emits justifies the suffering of the present from the mistakes of
29:26
the past, something that we also talked about in our previous sharing. I
29:30
remember the great hamcat lley is that of foul the opposition absence, but I
29:36
say we keep dancing to the rhythm of my law Sometimes distractive, sometimes it
29:40
entangles us. That' s a conclusion you come to I mean that you
29:42
are, let' s say, yes, several things. The first that
29:45
there is a friend of society who has a strong expectation, is concentrated and
29:49
has clear leadership, which is the one that half a little less than is
29:52
the one who is now having a positive image of the Government. On this,
29:57
I frame a detail that is important, that there is one that is
30:00
very based on the abstract that is this expectation. It' s about fifty
30:04
percent positive. When you go a little bit more to the concrete and find
30:10
out about the approval in the economic management, that goes down practically to thirty
30:17
- eight points. He' s going to tell you down more than ten
30:19
points from the other one. The wait, but to the gap put an
30:21
economic management is at thirty eight percent, exactly according to the San Andrés survey,
30:26
but according to other surveys that we always look at, the difference between
30:30
the approval of the management or the positive image and the economic management specifically is
30:37
in a gap of more than ten points. That gap, in terms of
30:41
us as consultants, is the gaps we looked at. As a consultant,
30:44
I' m much more interested in seeing that than seeing someone' s positive
30:48
picture of why. Because the positive image of someone, especially when it is
30:52
a novelty, as in the case of Milay, is very volatile, It
30:56
is much more solid the positive or negative image of someone well known the most
31:00
than the Christina the Maya. This image moves less, but the image of
31:03
the novelties moves quite. So what we' re looking for is here.
31:07
What I' m making of you is the difference between the abstract and something
31:11
more concrete. You ask me you like my law put it that I say
31:14
yes, but you like financial management. Not that in time tends to come
31:18
together either up or down. Or I' m starting to like the economic
31:22
situation and I' m still approving this government. Or I' m starting
31:25
to like this government less and less because the economic situation doesn' t solve
31:29
me. It seems to me that it is a point to observe, but
31:33
also what I wanted to share with you, as a talk, as a
31:37
debate There is a second scheme of society, which is a second half that
31:41
is totally wasted, which is the society that did not find representation after the
31:44
election. That, that Peronist society, left- wing Quisnerist. It will
31:48
have to be seen because Peronism and that it is nerimos today are not the
31:51
same and it is more noticeable that it never has the same representation. When
31:56
you say where the discontent is, Well, the discontent today can' t
31:59
be found It was nowhere safe that discontent, but deep. It' s
32:02
good to have you. Now who represents that discontent. Four months in the
32:06
presidential election, then there' s a process. It' s not very
32:09
obvious that they' re going to have that it' s not much to
32:12
ask for. I compare. Perhaps there are other examples better, but I
32:15
compare Alfonsino' s eighty- three. The coup was a different system,
32:17
it was bipartisanism, with all that is obsolvities. But I say the Jock,
32:21
the first electoral defeat of Peronism was thrown away representation the faces that this
32:25
and others of Peronism say is not too much to ask for four months that
32:31
I do not say for you. I mean in general, we' re
32:34
analyzing ourselves thinking that we might already have some armed opposition. I say I
32:37
remember only Alberto Fernández hit him. He won a huge first- round campaign
32:43
against Macri Macriso for the first time. It looked like a sort of winning
32:47
loser and remained with some parity in Congress, that is, a strong opposition
32:52
the day Alberto Fernández took over. Above all, this you saw in Parliament
32:53
and in station governorates is totally analogous. That' s why somehow I don
32:58
' t take him to eighty- three. It is too much to ask
33:02
us to be four months away and a year and a half of parliamentary lessons
33:07
there would be a certain drop in where the opposition is going or how it
33:10
is arming it. Not understanding, It is also disruption, the breakup of
33:15
together, pre- change and a Peronism, as you said, but the
33:19
Peronism gynerism that does not know that we play Cristina, continues to lead,
33:22
but for inside, not outside, it cannot be candidate, potable, etcetera,
33:24
etcetera. It' s not too much to ask for. I agree
33:28
with you. They' re long processes taking a little what you say.
33:30
You will remember that Alberto Fernández won quite comfortably, but two years earlier in
33:36
the intermediate elections. Peronism which Narisms were separated. Cristina went one way.
33:42
Now don' t get me the bambu gan Bulry. I think Marca went
33:45
for another one. No randazo bu randazo in the province was randazo by another.
33:52
There I allow to win this ban donkey, a figure as unpotent as
33:54
this bamburrio, so uncharismatic. Yes, of course, there they were disarmed.
33:59
I believe that doggonism, chislenism go that way now as well as I
34:01
say that, are long processes and also have to do with the failure of
34:06
the government that is going to. Officialisms are the ones that mark the political
34:09
genre and the social agenda. In that regard, this Government is accelerating the
34:15
times. This does not mean that I find or can analyze or there may
34:19
be how possible that disgust that has a certain part of society finds of rapid
34:24
representation. I don' t see that. What I do want to mark
34:28
is that the government is speeding up the times. In that methodology of accelerationism,
34:32
in that idea of disruption of generating much in a short time, it
34:37
is accelerating the times. It accelerates the times of anger, accelerates the times
34:40
of incentives to organize and come up against. It is given to the times
34:45
of the disgust of society to accelerate the times of fanaticism of its adherents.
34:50
I say there is a society that, four months ago, is certainly convulsed.
34:53
At the moment, as I put it in the note where we discuss
34:59
the fashionable insult or the President' s week li, things happen in macroeconomics
35:02
and in the economy that can become structural. You ask me what is important
35:07
in Argentina and, well, I find it interesting to give what kind of
35:12
social structure. To what kind of social structure we are going with concrete data
35:17
and if this stabilizes, that is, if inflation falls, even if there
35:22
is a negative economic situation, but there is no social disturbance. To put
35:29
it this way you find what new society, what kind of model, the
35:34
gap between what they have the least is wider. Well, where we'
35:38
re going and it seems to me that there are data that might concern us
35:44
about what' s going on as we discuss and laugh today with another journalist
35:52
talking toto caputo telling them from the ground to gravóis you saw a level of
35:55
infantitism, that is, important things are happening in the mind. It'
35:57
s not just that premeditated, they' re like diversionary operatives skillfully premeditated by
36:02
mileism. Let' s say yes, I' ve learned over time that
36:09
what you outside think is re- counterthought. Then, when not, not
36:13
Machiavelli knows his name. Everyone' s giving us a hard time, let
36:17
' s say, it' s not Machiavellian, but they' re distracting
36:21
us, let' s say a little on purpose. No, yeah,
36:22
yeah. I think so. Some things I think I do, and some
36:24
things I think I don' t. I believe that the provocations of March
36:28
8th, the provocation of March 24th, are more thought out and more pre
36:31
- established than the insult of the Twitter of the day. No, but
36:35
the dynamics of networks and the media dynamic attends and pays for this banal conflict,
36:43
the conflict that does not serve to analyze the structural. And that'
36:46
s where I mean the screams of the dero, let' s not say
36:51
everything by dancing to the rhythm of this insult of the day and by analyzing,
36:55
for example, what happens if the government goes back to asking for money
37:00
from the FM or not, and really the macroeconomics depends on a new loan
37:05
from the FM or not, and if it lends it for what it'
37:10
s going to be used for, then I think it' s not new,
37:12
not always the same. Network dynamics and media dynamics have gone through other
37:15
lanes. But, it seems to me that more important things are happening to
37:21
look at your note that we recommend, I reiterate the online policy you close
37:24
to seeing with this ammo. Finally, if inflation lowers society applauds or if
37:28
the fall occurs in the unemployment desert, we go to the gates of new
37:31
frustration. You' re starting to answer something. That same one poses two
37:38
beams. Yes, because the question is a little bit, let' s
37:43
say whether the government' s goal, which is good for everyone, is
37:47
to lower inflation. Of course one understands that that should make a path,
37:52
not the ultimate goal, because I always give the same example, inflation in
37:55
the pandemic under fifteen points. I think we talked about it again fifteen points,
38:00
but it got him out of a pandemic. It' s not where
38:02
none were happy or happier, none were earning more silver or less silver,
38:07
none were developing. There was a pandemic. So inflation is one way.
38:12
It' s a method of getting to a good place. What is the
38:15
macroeconomic stabilization that the Government wants under what social conditions. That' s the
38:21
big question. Look now, broda or avalo that they are people who think
38:27
more of economists, who think closer to what this government might say. They
38:31
are very questioning, for example, the gambar backwardness, changing me or the
38:36
possibility of macroeconomic stabilization. Okay. It' s not just those on the
38:42
other side you saw good. I' m worried about that data, because
38:45
the specific question is who' s listening to us if in a year you
38:51
have low inflation but you don' t have a job and your state in
38:54
your home, your domestic state with a much worse income. You' re
38:58
gonna applaud or you' re gonna be sad and that' s where you
39:00
' re gonna say it. Inflation is not the ultimate goal of song.
39:04
It is a path for the development of people and for the development. And
39:07
now totally and I have to close in a government that is based good on
39:12
its institutional weakness, Governor, the legislators, on public opinion. Not when
39:15
Miley feels what he says, not negotiate, he feels epoque I have him
39:20
theoretic, well, he exaggerates it, but let' s move him that
39:22
I have in pedia society. In my favor, there the day he was
39:25
weakened by much less social support, there he will be in various problems.
39:30
Not good. It' s a government we talked about, too. It
39:36
' s that if you look at the control board of Argentina, see the
39:39
macroeconomics, see the microeconomics, see the relationship with the governors. See the
39:43
relationship with Congress. See if you have a law pass or no law pass.
39:49
The only thing that appears in green if you go out red, yellow
39:52
and green is social approval, which has anchored in past anger and an expectation,
40:00
that is, in something abstract present. I don' t think so.
40:05
And as long as it doesn' t generate political alliances, you think
40:08
it' s forgiveness, you think, I think it' s not enough.
40:09
I thought a government group depended on something as volatile as social humor in
40:14
the middle of a catastrophic adjustment. And I mean the numbers. I don
40:17
' t want to object to it, but I' m good at it,
40:22
they say it that way, I think it' s little. As
40:22
long as you do not generate political alliances, economic alliances, well, when
40:29
the cold comes the cold of the raw winter and you are not the supporters
40:32
other than that of society. Okay. You' re probably complicated, isolated,
40:36
weak, and good. And that' s not something that' s
40:39
good for any Argentine. Javier, thank you very much, a pleasure,
40:45
Fernando, a hug for everyone. We talked to politician Javier Correas. We
40:49
are going quickly to greet friend Gustavo Farrar and beat that which already awaits us
40:52
Don Gos good afternoon. How they doing, how you are, Fernando,
40:55
how you are. All right, all right, all right. Well,
40:59
what' s up. That' s where it' s moved, Ibero
41:00
- America. There we have Mexico, Ecuador, solidarity with Mexico for this
41:05
unprecedented incursion into an embassy of no less than another country. Let' s
41:09
see, he puts some of the listeners in cars, no matter what you
41:12
know. Okay. In fact, last week, Fernando, on the end
41:16
of last week, was a rather historical issue and of international policy, when
41:22
the Government of Ecuador entered in violation of the Vienna Convention agreements to an embassy,
41:32
in this case of Mexico, withdrawing or arresting a person who is,
41:39
say, a former government official, Rafael Correa, who had taken refuge and
41:45
was asking for his diplomatic asylum. I believe that the facts have been handled
41:58
by the entire international press, condemning nothing, and the OAS openly condemned the
42:02
interruption of the embassy. They all voted in favour of that resolution, with
42:08
the exception of El Salvador in this case, President Bukele. But beyond that
42:14
and beyond the moments of tension of the due. It' s all very,
42:23
very confusing, because I say confused because a breakdown of relationships has not
42:30
been established openly, but rather a suspension of relations. What' s different
42:36
right now. Relationships aren' t handled, diplomats aren' t out.
42:45
Another embassy was commissioned, in this case Brazil, for an ideological affinity with
42:50
Lula the control of the affairs of Mexicans in Ecuador. And but I'
43:00
d like to go further. Not him, why, why. On the
43:06
one hand, that' s what' s being analyzed. Yes, it
43:16
does Hi, you' re listening to me, sorry, and that'
43:19
s where I dropped it. Now I' ll give you back Pry.
43:21
That kind of interruption really corresponds. It is true that third countries take refuge
43:29
in criminals prosecuted by the embassy or, rather, by governments, is not
43:34
a political persecutor, even though this was considered by the Vice President who asked
43:39
for refuge, but when you are at the limit of refugee, political,
43:47
asylum- seeking, political of persecuted or a criminal before the common justice of
43:53
your own country. Mexico' s relations with Ecuador, the President has been
44:01
analyzing them for approximately a few weeks, when, in his traditional mornings,
44:08
he points out that the triumph of President Noboa was due to the fact that
44:17
candidate Afina Correa was leading the electoral preferences. It happens what happens from the
44:28
death of one of the candidates, the killer, the murder, the murder,
44:34
and that that lowers her, that is, it frightens her and that
44:37
is why she can no longer be besiege campaign and that is why she loses,
44:44
that is, it is a sort of justification or permanent alliance. Let
44:46
us say of justification in those permanent dialogues that López Obrador has with his say
44:54
with the media. On the other hand, there is a very strong relationship,
45:00
perhaps not talked about, but already very notorious, of the operativity and
45:07
entry of Mexican drug cartels into Ecuador. Virtually all the drug control that is
45:15
coming, especially in our country, is on the northern border of Bolivia and
45:20
coming from Ecuador. Then there would remain a little in the air of the
45:31
responsibility of the Narcostates and the open combat of the countries, in this case
45:39
Ecuador and its new government, to all kinds of action of drug trafficking and
45:45
organized crime? Yes, then we find ourselves in a very curious and very
45:52
strong duality. The first is we' re invading the land. Yes,
46:00
we need to continue to protect criminals or fugitives from justice, corruption, embezzlement
46:08
of funds or actions and complicity with organized crime. Then it' s all
46:22
very difficult. It is interesting what we do a new right in barbarous uncle
46:27
that to see that I do in this kind of thing, was an individual
46:37
decision of the President of Noboa, or was a decision or an action previously
46:45
consulted with other international allies United States. It may be that I recall an
46:58
old story and anecdote that was told to me by a President of the Republic
47:06
of Honduras, President Flores, where practically in the last days of his term,
47:13
he had made the decision to re- establish diplomatic relations with Cuba.
47:17
I' m talking about this about fifteen years ago and he tells me that
47:27
for three days he wanted to tell the American ambassador the news so that I
47:30
can assume. In turn, he informed the U S government and, as
47:35
he tells me, as I was already leaving and there was a new President
47:39
- in- Office who was an opponent. I called once he told me
47:44
they didn' t listen to me. I called again The ambassador didn'
47:47
t answer me. I called for the third time, the ambassador didn'
47:52
t answer and the fourth time I called and told the secretary. Inform the
47:57
ambassador that half an hour ago I just re- established relationships with the guy.
48:02
He showed up at fifteen minutes in my office and there wasn' t.
48:07
Obviously, he had not yet re- established exact relationships. No.
48:12
No, yes, you' ve set her up ah stable wars Don'
48:15
t be warned. Tell him I just signed the re- establishment decree ten
48:21
minutes ago. I warned him once, I warned him twice, I warned
48:24
him three times. He didn' t give me a ball. Well now,
48:28
what do I do now? Not good. No good, then,
48:30
about this kind of thing. The question is whether Nobo acted alone or really
48:37
handled it with certain consultations by the United States other friendly alliances. I don
48:44
' t know. I have the doubt because, of course, you knew
48:49
that you were going to lose all that weight of condemnation of international and especially
48:54
Latin American comfort. Forgive my ignorance. The United States spoke out because the
48:59
truth to see journalists, there is a little bit of everything, but there
49:01
is not and there is so much that it has been doing. He pronounced
49:04
himself, obviously, he must have spoken at the OAS. The OAS discussed
49:07
it last night. I haven' t read the document. Evidently, it
49:12
must have been pronounced, say, but the fact of pronouncement does not mean
49:20
that you have not given your consent or that you have not warned. Yeah,
49:25
yeah, yeah. It is clear to see what the then Secretary of
49:30
State argued to him. Hete agalthar. You didn' t warn me.
49:38
Not sure, you didn' t tell me you were going to do that.
49:43
Eye might not have a solution, but it had another previous negotiation process
49:47
here. I think, moreover, it is very curious that the ambassador was
49:52
not there. I was in charge of the office, like I said.
49:57
It' s the same thing. No, I mean, there are the
50:00
old ghosts of many things from the twin towers that were made an hour away
50:05
from saying a more abundant massacre to certain kinds of things that are done a
50:13
certain hour so that those responsible do not assume the full weight of the fact.
50:22
No. So, obviously, there is a reality that we say as
50:34
the President cannot speak until June 2nd about internal politics. Then it gets to
50:42
tell what it never did in the six years to talk about foreign policy.
50:46
Then it gets into the internal processes of other countries. So, a few
50:52
days ago he also criticized Oppenheimer because he did the interview with Millay, who
51:00
is a fourth or so journalist, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
51:05
Then the eclipse passed before yesterday, where he dedicated all of it to
51:09
the eclipse and it doesn' t have. He doesn' t have one,
51:14
and I can tell you. One of the most curious things on Mexico
51:17
' s electoral agenda is the despair of a ruler or media rulers not being
51:25
able to go out and say things for months. Then they make things up
51:34
to stay present. Evidently, the electoral institute puts very but very strong characteristics
51:43
in the process of life to the role of the rulers. In other words,
51:46
they cannot expose acts of government, actions of government, acts of government,
51:53
etcetera. They can' t make massive events, but all that'
52:00
s out of life are civil protection issues. In case of a natural disaster
52:06
or health issue, let' s say an epidemic, there, you shouldn
52:10
' t. The Government can act openly there. The eclipse was a natural
52:15
effect, not a disaster. It was an effect then, let' s
52:24
say, took advantage of that space to make shares since you didn' t
52:32
see or fixed to buy you glasses. You use a bottle of things like
52:35
that, but you were present and he did an event at the place of
52:40
the eclipse epicenter, on the border Sonora, Durango, etc, etc,
52:47
with a great act, what here is called the Presidium, with a screen
52:54
behind it that reflected the fact. The rest, the governors put themselves as
52:59
they can not cack their works, make tours of inspection, of advances of
53:05
work. Yeah, so they record the. It could be that you have
53:15
practically, for example, another thing that throws the law into the trap and
53:19
maybe you as a government. You can' t advertise that thing, but
53:28
you can invent that the magazine facts of reality on its cover have your government
53:38
action and make spectacular of the magazine stage of your government action. I don
53:46
' t know if I can explain. Yeah, yeah, yeah? Yeah?
53:49
Yeah? Yeah, I mean, if the magazine has a stage this
53:52
one says. I don' t know Hospital X opened. Not you,
53:57
you can' t make an advertisement, let' s say a spectacular of
54:05
that action, but you can make an advertising complement the magazine realities that at
54:13
the stage that you reflect it said was built in a hospital. Well,
54:20
for now that I want to take advantage of you quickly, you raised an
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interesting topic. Now you said yes, it invades territoriality. There' s
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no doubt about it. Now I don' t know what it' s
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called you would put in debate if I want to be a diplomat, speaking
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diplomacy or discussing this issue that I shouldn' t or what the silver limit
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is. You spoke the word limit of guarding or providing protection. One thing
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is a decision, a political price and another a criminal. He' s
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already tried for justice in that country where I' m an embassy, from
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another foreign country. Exactly good. We have in case many years in Argentina
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with the interruption of Héctor jan Campora, pa Soya Valmedina in the majada.
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From seventy- six to eighty Campos, to eighty- two Valmedina, they
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were political refugees, yes, they had no charge for the criminal justice system.
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Sure, then this one here the justice failed and he how he takes
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refuge, asks for shelter, alive notice that it was all so fast that
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the government also had to speed up the asylum request. You' d still
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have to see the time that came in. But according to López Obrador'
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s words he said he was processing his asylum. After the Chancellery tells him
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we provide asylum, but we would have to look to see how. It
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was twenty minutes after the interruption of the forces or that the communiqué proper of
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the Obrador men caught my attention, where we are being processed. No sooner
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than two final minutes and no more than two hundred and twenty seconds, all
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yours the debate of the two women and the man, the three presidential candidates,
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the first debate in the career director. Tremendously poor. Tremendously poor,
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first because the rules of the electoral institute were practically two minutes for you,
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not fifteen, two or three minutes to talk about issues. The debate has
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been drawn in three, in three cycles, two themes are chosen for each
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cycle. Here was the theme of health and the theme of social welfare.
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No. But we had the official candidate talking about her management, she seemed
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to be Esquiaretti, talking about Córdoba, about her, about the city of
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doctor, and the opposition candidates left aside the middle boy people of a minority.
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The Alliance candidate really felt she had all the arguments to get at the
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center of the ring and knockout, and she herself went up very, very
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nervous. She was a bit of a Patricia Bubrige from the first underneath,
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yes, with a lot of potential, but she didn' t know how
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to squeeze it and then we paid or she couldn' t take advantage of
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it. It was tea. It was an absolute triumph of the ruling candidate,
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because she showed presence. Maybe not credibility, but yes presence, well,
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well, perfect, Gus we meet next month. Thank you as always.
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Big hug, big hug, hug Gustavo Ferrari, Gulf under construction Try.
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We' re leaving quickly. We meet here tomorrow at 4: 00
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p m with Tenel Kipper. Thank you, Juan, thank you Silvia be
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By. Plural construction led by Fernando Maurik, by Radio Trentopic