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Doug Bradley and the End of The Innocents · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 2: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I'm Brian and we have the return of Ryan.
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  Speaker 6: Ryan Case, hello.
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  Speaker 7: We're coming to you live in a digital recording from
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  Speaker 7: Days of the Dead in Louisville. Ryan, we're breaking it
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  Speaker 7: down now. We're actually packing things up. You've been here
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  Speaker 7: for days.
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  Speaker 8: How has it been?
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  Speaker 2: It's been exactly three days long. And amazing. It's been
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  Speaker 2: a fun time.
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  Speaker 7: Have you had any interesting run-ins with, I guess, we'll
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  Speaker 7: just say clients, customers, horror fans?
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  Speaker 8: How about any of those?
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  Speaker 2: The horror fans at this convention are amazing. They're just
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  Speaker 2: really good, down-to-earth people that want to have a good
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  Speaker 2: time and watch scary stuff.
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  Speaker 8: I heard that earlier.
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  Speaker 7: I was checking with people at a table. I will
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  Speaker 7: leave them nameless. But I was just kind of like,
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  Speaker 7: so how's it been? And they were like, we kind
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  Speaker 7: of love coming here. been to another one in this
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  Speaker 7: town and it wasn't overly successful and this one was
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  Speaker 7: packed and they were like, I'm really glad because we
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  Speaker 7: want to come back here. We love the town and
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  Speaker 7: we love the people. It's kind of cool that we
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  Speaker 7: had one that came together and people enjoyed themselves and even.
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  Speaker 8: The guests kind of had fun. That's all good stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Doug Bradley came around, talked to everybody. It was
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  Speaker 2: really fun.
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  Speaker 7: That's an interesting tie-in. We'll get back to that later.
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  Speaker 7: Have you been watching anything lately? Other than, you know,
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  Speaker 7: you're re-watching of Doug to paint his face. No, actually,
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  Speaker 7: I've been stuck on the Stranger Things. Like, re-watching the
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  Speaker 7: season about six times now. Not too embarrassed to say that, but...
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  Speaker 7: I can't knock it. I got through and have praised
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  Speaker 7: it on here. Are you figuring out more the sixth
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  Speaker 7: time through?
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  Speaker 2: No, no. No, it's more just like.
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  Speaker 2: I put it on and I paint and I don't
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  Speaker 2: have to watch it to watch it. I can just
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  Speaker 2: listen and know exactly what's going on. Have you started
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  Speaker 2: stringing up the Christmas lights?
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  Speaker 4: Always.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, they're all right there.
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  Speaker 7: Mine are just all Halloween lights and they're up all
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  Speaker 7: year round because I'm one of those people.
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  Speaker 8: So it's pretty sad, really.
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  Speaker 7: But I haven't started talking to mine yet. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: I might be talking to myself, but I didn't know
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  Speaker 7: there was an alien or other portal listening.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely give it a try. You never know. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's good to make friends.
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  Speaker 8: In other dimensions.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 8: Always good.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, other than that, anything else you've seen lately that's...
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  Speaker 7: I don't know. You're always on the VHS kick. Have
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  Speaker 7: you come across any awesome VHS finds?
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  Speaker 2: I was really hopeful for this weekend, but the VHS
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  Speaker 2: selection kind of let me down. That's the one thing
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  Speaker 2: that let me down here.
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  Speaker 7: The horror conventions, they know what they've got, so you
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  Speaker 7: can find cool stuff, but you'll pay like.
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  Speaker 8: $ 30 or $ 40.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: My VHS is 25 to 75 cents. That's what I
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  Speaker 2: was going to say.
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  Speaker 7: I know I've seen your pics, and when you find them,
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  Speaker 7: they're at somewhere that somebody has no idea. They were
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  Speaker 7: probably using it to level a table before you came along,
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  Speaker 7: and you're like, oh, can I have that? So it's
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  Speaker 7: a slightly different version than what goes on at horror conventions.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to be careful, though. The flea market
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  Speaker 2: finds make sure the tape matches the box.
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  Speaker 8: I think I saw this post on Facebook. Do you
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  Speaker 8: want to? I don't know if you want to out
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  Speaker 8: which one was which, but.
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  Speaker 2: I can't remember what was inside of it, but it
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  Speaker 2: was not the Friday the 13th movie I was hoping for.
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  Speaker 8: I'm trying to think if I remember, because it was
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  Speaker 8: pretty funny, actually.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was like Mary-Kate and Ashley It Takes
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  Speaker 2: Two or something.
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  Speaker 8: Hey, that's a good movie. I mean.
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  Speaker 7: This interview's over. Now, it's no New York Minute, which
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  Speaker 7: is probably my favorite big screen version for Mary-Kate and Ashley, but...
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  Speaker 7: I'm really a fan of their little sister. Anyway, what
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  Speaker 7: you're saying is you're hoping to find Mary-Kate and Ashley
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  Speaker 7: on VHS and.
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  Speaker 8: Accidentally have a Friday the 13th inside.
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  Speaker 2: That would be a very nice accident.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, well, we occasionally discuss some artistic endeavors on this show.
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  Speaker 7: I've seen some photos. What have you been up to artistically?
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  Speaker 7: Because you're like nonstop. I'm not sure how you get
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  Speaker 7: anything else done in your life. And yet somehow you
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  Speaker 7: still crank out a pretty impressive amount of work artistically speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Sleep has kind of been put on the back burner.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I stay at home with the kids all
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  Speaker 2: day and homeschool them.
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  Speaker 8: That's enough to drive you crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Then I go to the art room.
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  Speaker 8: That explains your artwork.
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  Speaker 2: Then I paint until about 4 in the morning and
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  Speaker 2: get back up at 7. It's a vicious cycle of
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  Speaker 2: beauty and love.
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  Speaker 5: And insanity.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It's the icing on the crazy cake.
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  Speaker 7: Later they will use this recording as Exhibit C. Well,
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  Speaker 7: you'll see here he talked about how much pressure he
• 6:37
  Speaker 7: was under supposedly taking care of the children. before he
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  Speaker 7: took out a small part of his neighborhood.
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  Speaker 2: I just throw some candy towards them. They kind of
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  Speaker 2: take care of each other.
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  Speaker 8: That's called parenting.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. It's been an insanely awesome, awesome weekend.
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  Speaker 8: It has been.
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  Speaker 7: And we have sat down and had some nice conversations,
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  Speaker 7: one of which I think we'll take a break and
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  Speaker 7: we'll go to right now. You might have run into
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  Speaker 7: him yourself this weekend. This week's guest is Doug Bradley.
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  Speaker 8: He is.
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  Speaker 2: He's Doug Bradley. That's all you have to say.
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  Speaker 8: He's amazing.
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  Speaker 7: And again, going back, because I've seen him probably a
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  Speaker 7: million times because I'm at one of these constantly. But
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  Speaker 7: it wasn't until a couple of years ago when I
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  Speaker 7: sat down with him. I'm like, it's a very different
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  Speaker 7: take than what I expected. I think you get a
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  Speaker 7: kind of feeling for what people.
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  Speaker 5: Might be like.
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  Speaker 8: And I don't know if I've ever been as wrong
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  Speaker 8: as Doug Bradley.
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  Speaker 2: My favorite part of his entire table, I totally geeked
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  Speaker 2: out because I'm a huge fan of his audiobooks, the
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  Speaker 2: Spine Chiller series. I flipped out over that, and he
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  Speaker 2: got a good chuckle. You can get the box set now.
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  Speaker 8: I know.
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  Speaker 5: I did.
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  Speaker 8: Someone in front of me got one. He was, like,
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  Speaker 8: cutting him a deal, too.
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  Speaker 7: He's like, if you buy all these individually, it's going
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  Speaker 7: to be more, but let me show you the box set. And, like,
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  Speaker 7: he saved him a lot of money, so he's also
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  Speaker 7: kind of.
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  Speaker 8: Cool because he didn't rip that girl off.
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  Speaker 2: And he signed my original painting, which I'm still on
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  Speaker 2: cloud nine over.
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  Speaker 8: I think I saw that one. It kind of looked
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  Speaker 8: like Doug Bradley.
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  Speaker 12: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit. I'm getting kind of good at it.
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  Speaker 8: Just a couple of years you've been doing this.
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  Speaker 2: Just a few. Just life. Yeah, since that whole birth
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  Speaker 2: thing happened.
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  Speaker 8: That's trouble. It always goes bad from there.
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  Speaker 2: It was messy. Completely messy.
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  Speaker 8: That explains your paintings. I mean, look. That looks after birth.
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  Speaker 8: All over that.
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  Speaker 5: Look at that.
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  Speaker 2: It's nothing but placenta. That's it. That's what I paint with.
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  Speaker 8: That one needs a little more placenta, I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 2: Everything needs more placenta.
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  Speaker 8: Now you're just getting like some sort of weird hippie. Yeah, look.
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  Speaker 8: This is what I had for dinner tonight. Placenta and
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  Speaker 8: some kale.
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  Speaker 7: Because you always have to have kale work.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to dab a little placenta on me.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, now you're just every other horror fan at a
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  Speaker 8: horror convention. I forgot how to shower.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm going to come to Oregon, Midget. All right,
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  Speaker 7: we're just kind of making fun of you guys.
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  Speaker 8: But really, we are you guys.
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  Speaker 7: We can make fun of you. And some of you
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  Speaker 7: still need to shower a little more often.
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  Speaker 2: Most definitely. Rule number three and four.
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  Speaker 8: But one of.
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  Speaker 7: Those people is not Doug Bradley, because he was lovely
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  Speaker 7: to be around. So we'll take our break here. When
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  Speaker 7: we come back, we will be with Doug Bradley.
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  Speaker 11: But the room was quiet.
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  Speaker 8: Had it been a nightmare?
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  Speaker 11: What woke him?
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  Speaker 8: Was the candle in the antique mirror moving?
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  Speaker 11: Was there something standing by the curtains?
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  Speaker 8: All right, so we're here with Doug Bradley once again.
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  Speaker 7: I was going to say, we had you on two
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  Speaker 7: years ago at a really busy festival.
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  Speaker 8: We won't bring that one up now.
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  Speaker 7: But you were in Louisville at that point, and we
• 13:01
  Speaker 7: actually ended up talking about music.
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  Speaker 8: And it's one of my favorite episodes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I remember the interview now. I haven't been able
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  Speaker 4: to pack it before.
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  Speaker 7: You had a lot of really good insights and a
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  Speaker 7: very different... take on stuff and I it's yeah it's
• 13:18
  Speaker 7: kind of one I I go to now if people
• 13:20
  Speaker 7: like want an intro to one of the music episodes
• 13:22
  Speaker 7: I'm like thugs is a great episode you should listen
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  Speaker 7: right so yeah I thought well if you're up for
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  Speaker 7: talking a movie let's let's pick a movie but I
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  Speaker 7: guess beforehand anything else that's been going on for you
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  Speaker 7: do you have stuff that you've been doing other than
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  Speaker 7: you do a lot.
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  Speaker 8: Of these I see you quite often actually at these.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah yep uh they come around they keep coming
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  Speaker 4: around um As long.
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  Speaker 8: As people show up. And you keep giving them new product.
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  Speaker 8: You've done the book.
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  Speaker 7: You've done the spoken word. You've got a lot of
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  Speaker 7: different avenues for people, too.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I've been turning movies down this year.
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  Speaker 8: That happens.
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  Speaker 4: Most notably, Hellraiser Judgment.
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  Speaker 8: You've not been thrilled the last few times they've attempted
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  Speaker 8: to do something?
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  Speaker 4: Well, Revelation and Judgment. No, everything about... The films and
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  Speaker 4: the reasons why they were being made and the way
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  Speaker 4: that I was approached to do them. With Revelation, at least,
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  Speaker 4: I did get as far as reading the screenplay, which
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  Speaker 4: was the final reason why I turned it down. And
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  Speaker 4: I have now seen the film. Having read the screenplay,
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  Speaker 4: I expected the film to be bad. I didn't think
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  Speaker 4: it could be quite that bad, but it was.
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  Speaker 7: As big a movie geek as I am, I haven't
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  Speaker 7: seen it either, and that was kind of the reason.
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  Speaker 8: I was like, well, how can you.
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  Speaker 4: And with judgment, I didn't even get as far as
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  Speaker 4: reading the screenplay. So I can't make a judgment on that.
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  Speaker 8: I'm sure many viewers can.
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  Speaker 4: It's in the can, so later this year, I guess,
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  Speaker 4: or next year, I have no idea. The movie will
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  Speaker 4: be out, and we'll see what we see. And I
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: said no to Death House, which I think every other
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  Speaker 4: horror actor... on the planet is in um and you're
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  Speaker 4: okay with and uh i just did uh uh animated
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  Speaker 4: movie which is based on lovecraft's work but it takes
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  Speaker 4: lovecraft as a as a boy and it's his relationship
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  Speaker 4: with his father who's in the insane asylum in uh
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  Speaker 4: providence where he died lovecraft's.
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  Speaker 7: A challenge to do so actually animated seems like a
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  Speaker 7: good way to go.
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  Speaker 4: I think they originated as comic strips yeah um Sorry,
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  Speaker 4: graphic novels, I guess I should say. So, Howard Phillips
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  Speaker 4: Lovecraft and the Frozen Kingdom. And indeed, I've already recorded
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  Speaker 4: the sequel, Howard Phillips Lovecraft and the Underwater Kingdom.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm playing Nialat Hotep, one of the Elder Gods.
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  Speaker 4: And Ron Perlman and Sir Christopher Plummerer also, uh, in
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  Speaker 4: the cast, which is good company.
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  Speaker 8: Impressive. Yeah. Impressive cast you got.
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  Speaker 4: You're rubbing vocal cords with, so, um, once again, playing
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  Speaker 4: a deity of some sort. I've signed up to, to, uh,
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  Speaker 4: to do something for a guy who's doing, um, short
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  Speaker 4: audio adaptations, which I, I think he's publishing through, uh, Fangoria. I,
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  Speaker 4: I know he just did, uh, Dracula with, uh, Tony Todd,
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  Speaker 4: and he's approached me to voice Sherlock Holmes in The
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: Hound of the Baskervilles, so I've said yes to that.
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  Speaker 7: So these are actual performances, not just narration, actual doing
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  Speaker 7: the role?
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  Speaker 4: It's voice.
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  Speaker 5: Both.
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  Speaker 4: It's not reading the story.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, more of a radio play kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. Awesome. Exactly right. And going to be doing
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  Speaker 4: more In the Spine Chillers series as well.
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  Speaker 8: That's awesome. All right. Well, if you want to get
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  Speaker 8: to the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: It's time for Sofa Theater.
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  Speaker 3: There has never been a ghost story created especially for
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  Speaker 3: the adult moviegoer until The Innocents. 20th Century Fox, which
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  Speaker 3: presented Deborah Carr in Heaven Knows Mr. Allison, and such
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  Speaker 3: outstanding motion picture immortals as Snake Pit, Gentleman's Agreement, and
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  Speaker 3: Peyton Place, now gives you The Innocence. Based on the
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  Speaker 3: Henry James Chiller of macabre evil. Brilliantly adapted for the
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  Speaker 3: screen by William Archibald and Truman Capote.
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  Speaker 9: Do they ever return to possess the living?
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  Speaker 3: The Innocence, produced and directed by Jack Clayton, the man
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  Speaker 3: who directed Room at the Top, turned into fearful reality
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  Speaker 3: by the magnificent performance of Miss Deborah Carr, with Michael
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  Speaker 3: Redgrave as the uncle, co-starring Peter Wingard, Megs Jenkins.
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  Speaker 8: I saw him staring.
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  Speaker 9: Who, Miss?
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  Speaker 3: The same man, the man on the tower.
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  Speaker 14: The tower?
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  Speaker 7: But now, just now, he was staring past me into
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  Speaker 7: the house as if he were hunting someone.
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  Speaker 1: What was he like, Miss?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, he had dark, curling hair and the hardest, the
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  Speaker 3: coldest eyes.
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  Speaker 14: You see, would you say he was very handsome?
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  Speaker 11: Oh, yes, yes, handsome, handsome and obscene.
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  Speaker 6: Do they ever.
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  Speaker 3: Return to possess a living being?
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  Speaker 10: And when?
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  Speaker 9: Did you first see and.
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  Speaker 14: Hear of such things?
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  Speaker 8: Why, I.
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  Speaker 10: I made them up.
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  Speaker 14: Shall I tell you who taught them to you? I
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  Speaker 14: won't ever again, I promise. Shall I tell you who
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  Speaker 14: taught you, the things you've done, the things you've said?
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Shall I tell you his name?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Perhaps the most controversial concept in human relationships ever presented
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: on the screen. With one of the world's great stars,
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: from the man who directed Room at the Top, a
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: new and adult motion picture experience.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Do they, they, they ever return to possess the living?
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  Speaker 10: Stay, my love, and I Beneath a weeping willow But
• 19:54
  Speaker 10: now alone I lie And weep beside the tree Singing, oh, wail, oh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: wail By the tree that weeps with me Singing.
• 20:13
  Speaker 12: Oh, willow, wail me till my lover returns to me.
• 20:21
  Speaker 12: We laid my love and I beneath a weeping willow.
• 20:31
  Speaker 12: But now alone I lie.
• 20:37
  Speaker 11: Oh, willow, I die.
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: Oh, willow, I die.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: This week's over-the-air feature is The Innocents, the year is 1961.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: The director is Jack Clayton, and the plot, according to IMDb,
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: is a young governess for two children becomes convinced that
• 20:56
  Speaker 7: the house and grounds are haunted. Spoiler alert, that's barely
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: even a plot summary, but.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: It is barely a spoiler.
• 21:03
  Speaker 9: Well.
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: It is and it isn't, I guess, depending on how
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: you look at this movie.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I picked this one because it's kind of in my
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: head at the moment, because for anyone who's in the
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh area, in early October I'm going to be presenting
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: a screening of The Innocents at the Hollywood Theatre in Dormont,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: which is a wonderful independent cinema. So I'll be introducing
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: it in a beautifully restored print of the movie, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: then I'll do a Q & A and meet and
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: greet and whatever. afterwards and it's a movie that I
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: saw when I was a boy on TV in the
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: UK and it scared the lights out of me I
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: was all about ghosts when I was a kid they
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: terrified me but I couldn't get enough of them and
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: I went back to the movie many years later in
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: fact when this newly restored print came out and they
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: screened it at the national film theater in London.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: And, uh, I was so delighted to see that it,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: that it held up for me going back to it, uh,
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: as an adult. I mean, it's, it's, uh, it's based
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: on Henry James turn of the screw.
• 22:22
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: But in fact, it seems that the screenplay was more,
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: more precisely based on what was already a stage adaptation
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: of the turn of the screw.
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: Um, but it has Truman Capote as.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: Well well yes I was going to say it has
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: pretty strong literary chops because Truman Capote is credited with
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: roughly 90% of the screenplay and the feeling is that
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: he brought a great deal of what is really very
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: strange and for its time edgy sexual content to it
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: some of it kind of pushes the envelope particularly there's
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: the point where Deborah Carr who, generally speaking, I'm not
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: a great fan, but she is so wonderful in the movie.
• 23:16
  Speaker 8: She's good in it.
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: The full lip kiss with the boy is a wild moment.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: In fact, when it was first released in the UK,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: it had an X certificate, which meant you had to
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: be 18 to see the movie. I definitely want to
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: return to that point later and of course the cinematography
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: is a lot to do with that and that's Freddie
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Francis who was.
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: Like Oscar winning even at that point I think.
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah and he of course he went on to direct
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: for Hammer he directed in particular you.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: Can feel it right on the screen Dracula is Risen
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: from the Grave which I think is my favorite of
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: the Christopher Lee.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Dracula movies. And then he went back to cinematography and
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: he shot The Elephant Man for David Lynch.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Which is beautiful too.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: And they use a lot of depth focus in this film.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: And I don't know, it's just, it is such an
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: atmospheric film. It sets it going right at the beginning. Yeah.
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: Black screen.
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: You don't even know what you're getting into.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: With this uncanny singing offstage and then the credits roll.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: But it's long. It's like nearly a minute of black
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: screen at the beginning of the film.
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: And the hands. And again, it's so surreal at that point.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: And the tone is set. And I think Capote's fingerprints
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: must be all over this. The scene right at the
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: beginning of the film in which Sir Michael Redgrave... Of course,
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: I assume... American audiences are familiar with the fact that
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Sir Michael Redgrave was the progenitor of this extraordinary dynasty.
• 25:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: The most famous of whom, of course, is his daughter, Vanessa,
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: her sister, Lynn Redgrave.
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: Family moved in and took over.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Their brother, Corin Redgrave, and then Vanessa's daughters, Natalie... Richardson,
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: from Vanessa's first marriage. And he was a great stage
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: actor and also a cinema actor. And that first scene,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: which is basically him interviewing Deborah Carr for the post
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: of governess. So you would think it's just... And I
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: think in the hands of a less talented writer and director...
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: It would just be a stock establishing scene in which
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: Deborah Carr is interviewed for the job of governess and
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: gets the job. But it becomes this very strange kind
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: of flirtation between Michael Redgrave and Deborah Carr, in which
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: she is a more than willing participant. And what's also
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: evident right from the get-go in that scene is that.
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: Is that Michael Redgrave has no interest whatsoever in his children,
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: has basically turned his back on his children, doesn't want
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: to know about them, doesn't care about them, isn't interested
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: in them.
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: That's what I thought was interesting.
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: Palms them off onto a succession of governesses in whom
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: he seems to have this unhealthy sexual... interest.
• 26:47
  Speaker 8: Well, and seems to be a man about town.
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: He's just like, I'm all about my social life, and
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: I don't really have time.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: For a family.
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: We can kind of put social life in inverted commas
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: and read.
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: Certainly in 61.
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: But yeah, he feels like it's also a very delicate
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: balance for him to not be a monster.
• 27:05
  Speaker 8: Not to just be like, well, I don't care about
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: these kids. So there is one of those, well, he
• 27:10
  Speaker 8: is taking care of them.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: He cares enough to not put them out on the street,
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: but at the same time, he really has no place
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: for them in his life, and he's not going to
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: readjust his life to make room for a family. So
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: he's just like, I will use money to take care
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: of the problem. And that's how he comes off. So
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: it does set the tone for the reason that we
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: end up in this house, and the reason everybody's so
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: weird and disconnected, and it all.
• 27:35
  Speaker 8: Stems straight from him.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 8: That's a delicate thing for him to have to pull off.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: And that scene sets... The tone for the whole movie,
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: which has a very dubious, uncertain, moral tone from there
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: on in. So we never know whether this is all
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: a psychosexual fantasy on Deborah Carr's part or whether the
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: ghosts are real. Or whether the ghosts are projections out
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: of the head of the distinctly strange children.
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: Which they are.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Featuring Martin Stevens, who.
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: He's amazing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: I got his autograph at Chiller Theatre a couple of
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: years ago. Of course, he was also one of the
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: featured kids in.
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: The Village of the Damned, the movie based on the
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Midwich Cookers.
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: And then stopped in like mid-60s. Yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: When you talked to him, did he give you a reason?
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: Did he just not want.
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: To do it?
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Not really. I don't know.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: He has done a lot of... I mean, when you
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: look at his credits, he's come back to it and
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: he's done a lot of stuff.
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: He just kind of stopped there.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: And he is so... I mean, scary is the wrong word.
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: Well, he's adult.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: It's odd how adult he is to be in such
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: a small body.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Miles is his character. And Deborah Carr is kind of
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: repulsed and attracted by that kind of adult child thing
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: and culminating, as we said, in the kiss. And we
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: can't talk about it without giving spoiler alerts.
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: We threw that out.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: But at the end, and this is somewhere where I
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: think Hollywood wouldn't go now.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: I was definitely thinking that by the wrap up.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: The end is so ambiguous. Is Miles dead or is
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: he not dead? Did any of this actually happen? And
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: is it being laid on like a stage show? or
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: is it... I don't know.
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: And I think, yeah, he left it that way.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: And one of the moments that really stuck out for
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: me as a kid watching it is when after the
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: governess appears, the previous governess, now dead... We assume her ghost,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: which appears so memorably sitting among the reeds on the riverbank,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: and then in the children's schoolroom, but she leaves a
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: real tear on the kid's slate on the desk. And
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: even as a kid, that really bothered me because I
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: knew ghosts. walk through walls and you you know you
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: put your hand through them they weren't real they weren't
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: tangible evidence of.
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: Them well it's also it's one of those they they
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: play with that the whole way through where every time
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: we see them it's always right after her reaction shot
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: so now are we seeing it through her eyes or.
• 30:43
  Speaker 8: Are we seeing because they you.
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: Do physically see it's not one of those where they
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: play with it like do you really see him For
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: very long. There's a lot of times, even in the
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: early scenes, where you just see her walk down the hallway,
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: and it's really quick, and you're like, no, she was there.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: It's not a questionable thing. And when she sees Quint
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: up on the tower with the birds, and she's always
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: squinting into the sun, so we're never quite clear. Was
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: it a man? Was it a bird? Was it just
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: a trick of the lights?
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: So you always have to question, like, is she just crazy?
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: And to the point where, again, re-watching it again today,
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: I was like, the last scene, the kid.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: Is screaming at her.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: You're insane.
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: To the point you're like, well, are we supposed to
• 31:27
  Speaker 8: take anything else from it? Then maybe she is just insane.
• 31:31
  Speaker 7: I mean, there are those weird, and I think it
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: is sort of that creepy aspect that gets put in,
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: from what I can tell, is a lot of Truman Capote. Like,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: they really specifically kept referencing him with, like, I don't
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: know if he wrote it in there specifically to get
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: that shot of the beetle coming out of the mouth
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: of the cherub in the.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: In the garden. I'm like, that is kind of a little.
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: And there's, there's a moment where, where the children, uh, miles,
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: I can't remember the girl's name in my life. Um,
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: sitting with, with Deborah, Deborah Carr and, and, and she
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: is just casually pulling the wings off a butterfly. And again,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: it's just a, It's a moment of innocence destroying innocence.
• 32:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's like that symbolism.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Who is innocent here?
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: All the way through is like the roses. Like they
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: constantly keep cutting to these shots of roses.
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: And there are suggestions that this was heavily laid into
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: it by Capote because what he was bringing into this
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: very English social structure was... The kind of sense of
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: the sexual repression amidst the lushness of vegetation in the South.
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: He puts this Southern Gothic slant on it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Which it suggested that Clayton was trying to pull back from.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: He may have pulled back from it, but it's heavily there. Obviously,
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: there's no... There's no Spanish moss and Virginia creeper in England.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: But it translates because it's a lost place.
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: It's kind of overwhelming. And it has that same butterfly
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: effect of like... Or the whole thing.
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: You get there and as she comes in and she's
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: walking down the road, it's like everything's beautiful.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: But just under the surface, it's like it's this skeleton
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: of what's still operating as a household.
• 33:39
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: You see all the things, like as soon as she
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: comes in, she bumps into the flowers and the petals
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: fall off. And you're like, okay, so everything's kind of
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: dying is what you take from this.
• 33:48
  Speaker 8: It's like everything's one step.
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: Away from dying at this point. And even so much
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: so that I wrote down the line was, it's always happening,
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: is what she says about the petals falling off.
• 33:57
  Speaker 8: And I was like, death is always happening. Is that
• 34:00
  Speaker 8: where we're taking this? Is like there is this weird
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: overpowering sense of death?
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: Or is it just that this happens every time a
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: governess arrives?
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, or the cycle of like, And that's another thing
• 34:10
  Speaker 7: I thought was interesting is they do a really cool
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: kind of red herring move where it's like midway in,
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: you're like, are these kids killing people?
• 34:18
  Speaker 8: Like, first of all, like, where are their parents? We
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: never really hear that story.
• 34:21
  Speaker 7: Then it's like, we know there's the, I guess the
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: guy just really fell. Like for the longest time I
• 34:27
  Speaker 7: was like, so the boy killed him, right? Like you're
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: midway into that movie and you're like, he definitely like
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: iced up the stairs or at least something indirectly he
• 34:35
  Speaker 7: went out of his way to make sure this guy died.
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: I guess none of that happened.
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: Like he might've just legitimately still, you're still puzzling. You
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: still don't know.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: So yeah, it's like they set that up.
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: They also set it up where we're assuming maybe they
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: killed the last governess and like none of that happens.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: Like by the end it takes a whole 180 and
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: you're just like, no, these kids kind of are innocent.
• 34:56
  Speaker 7: Maybe depending on which version of the story you take,
• 35:00
  Speaker 7: but either way, it's like they weren't ones murdering it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: Most of they were possessed. So I guess that's one
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: of the things I wanted to throw out too is,
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: Is there possession taking place?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Do you feel like they, and is it, they are
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: actually being entered in by the ghost of those two characters?
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: That extraordinary scene where Miles does the candlelit procession.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: With that amazing poem.
• 35:24
  Speaker 14: Now, Miles will recite to you.
• 35:30
  Speaker 13: A poem.
• 35:32
  Speaker 14: What shall I sing to my lord from my window?
• 35:37
  Speaker 14: What shall I sing for my Lord will not stay?
• 35:41
  Speaker 14: What shall I sing for my Lord will not listen?
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: Where shall I go for my Lord is away? Whom
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: shall I love when the moon is arisen? Gone is
• 35:54
  Speaker 14: my Lord and the grave is his prison. What shall
• 35:59
  Speaker 14: I say when my Lord comes a-calling? What shall I
• 36:03
  Speaker 14: say when he knocks on my door? What shall I
• 36:07
  Speaker 14: say when his feet enter softly, leaving the marks of
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: his grave on my floor? Enter, my lord. Come from
• 36:19
  Speaker 14: your prison. Come from your grave.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: For the moon is arisen.
• 36:27
  Speaker 10: Welcome, my lord.
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: And then insists that Quint is outside looking through the
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: window and... And it all gets very hysterical. And then
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: she does see Quinn looking through the window again. You
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: can't work out whether... Is she falling victim to the
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: suggestions that Miles is placing in her head? Or is she.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Is this all her own.
• 36:58
  Speaker 7: It.
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: Is so ambiguous all the way through. And that's what
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: I love about it.
• 37:05
  Speaker 8: And it is.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: It sets itself up as a whodunit, and it never.
• 37:08
  Speaker 8: And there is no.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: It's not even interested in answering the questions. And the
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: great foil throughout is Mags Jenkins.
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: As the housekeeper.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: She's so good in those.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: She's wonderful. And what's great is that for my generation,
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: growing up in the UK, we knew from doing... tetley
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: i think it was tetley's tetley's or pg tips tea
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: adverts um and she she you know she she was
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: very much a kind of stock english actor actress representing
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: all that was normal and comforting and reassuring and you
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: know of course everything's and that's her role is yeah
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: what I don't know what you're worried about.
• 37:59
  Speaker 8: That's interesting.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: There's nothing going on.
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: Because I didn't have that history with her.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: Everything is normal. Everything is, oh, we'll be all right.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: Let's put the kettle on and have a cup of
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: tea and everything will be fine.
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: I was like, she grounds everything so perfectly that it
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: would just fly off the rails if it weren't for
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: her because that's the only thing keeping her like, no,
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: don't go.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: She seems to start questioning Deborah Carr's sanity and to
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: the extent that you begin to wonder, whether she's not
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: in league with the kids.
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: Everyone's whispering. There's a lot of secrets in the house.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah.
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: I mean, there's the other, again, I was at one
• 38:36
  Speaker 7: point kind of like, well, there's this thing to address
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: and this, but they all kind of get intermingled by
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: the end. So you mentioned the weird like sexual overtones.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: So I guess I want to address that, but it
• 38:45
  Speaker 7: also gets involved with the ghost stuff too. So, I mean,
• 38:48
  Speaker 7: do you, because that's what I thought is interesting. They
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: specifically said like in the play or in the original,
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: in all the other versions, She's a much younger woman.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: So by casting this older woman, do we now add
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: this new layer of sexual frustration?
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Deborah Carr is.
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: Deborah Carr is much older in the real world than
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: what the character was supposed to be, like 20.
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: In the screenplay?
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: In the screenplay.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: Okay, now that I didn't... By casting her, I'm like,
• 39:14
  Speaker 7: you add this extra layer of, okay, now... She's not
• 39:16
  Speaker 7: like a girl straight out of school getting a job.
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: She's been in this family, in this cramped house for years.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: And this is the first time she leaves home, according
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: to her. So like how, again, as we get into
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: the sexual frustration part of it, I'm like, she's been
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: a long ways in life and obviously not had much experience.
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: So it adds an extra layer to that. But then you,
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: I don't know, again, I guess I want to throw
• 39:38
  Speaker 7: out how much you think the overtones are there when
• 39:41
  Speaker 7: you get into the, uh, what are the little, um,
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: turrets on the tower there. You can certainly go as
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: Freudian as you want with that. So, I mean, there's
• 39:50
  Speaker 7: all this weird Freudian stuff that gets kind of thrown
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: in there that, like, then you get to the point
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: of her... Well, first of all, he kisses her earlier
• 39:59
  Speaker 7: in the movie, which she just seems a little put
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: off by.
• 40:01
  Speaker 8: But she doesn't recoil.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: And asks permission first.
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Can I kiss you?
• 40:05
  Speaker 8: That's odd in and of itself. But then, yeah, to
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: get back to the one later, that she definitely.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: puts on him and it's not a it's not a
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: peck it's not a childish kiss it is a kiss
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: it is an adult kiss yes so that i mean
• 40:23
  Speaker 7: how much of that is a real thing and how
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: much is just.
• 40:28
  Speaker 8: Capote playing with us because it's kind of left up to.
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: You once again it's like where do you want to
• 40:34
  Speaker 7: take this do you want it to just be semi-innocent
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: and slightly inappropriate or is it really depraved like it's.
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: Yes It's pretty close on both of them. And then
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: it takes another turn.
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: I was like, if you're assuming the possession is a
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: real thing, are they literally possessing these two children? Because
• 40:53
  Speaker 7: if so, they were in a relationship in their world.
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: Is it an ancestral thing now that we don't touch
• 41:00
  Speaker 8: on at all?
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: No, they don't go near that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: Which is probably for the best.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: But Miles is the leader.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: Definitely.
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: So much so that they remove her from the scene,
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: like the whole last.
• 41:13
  Speaker 8: Half of the movie. Which seemed a little weird, but
• 41:17
  Speaker 8: I'm definitely not happy with what happens to Rupert.
• 41:20
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: I'd like to think... God, I've forgotten Rupert is the tortoise, right?
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: I've forgotten.
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: I was like.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Jesus, yes. It is a while since I saw the movie, so... Yes,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: poor old Rupert.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: His shell is really hard.
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: He's fine.
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he is. They live a long time. He should
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: still be with us.
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: He lands safely in a squishy marsh area.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: I've forgotten all about Rupert.
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: Rupert, that's uncalled for.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Other than that, the kid seems, to me, gets more
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: and more innocent as the movie goes on.
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: He seems very... I mean.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: You think you're watching The Omen the first half of
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: this movie, and you're waiting for him to just full-on Damien,
• 42:02
  Speaker 7: but He doesn't, and he actually becomes more and more.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: Reliable as you get into it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: He's the one that's like, no, there's nothing going on,
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: and you're like, I think he might be right. So
• 42:13
  Speaker 7: it's sort of left up to you, and even the
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: director said that. I think Kerr came to him and said,
• 42:19
  Speaker 7: am I supposed to be seeing these characters, or is
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: it all in my head? And he even said, I
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: think his quote was, you make up your own mind,
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: is what the.
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Director told her. So I'm like, even.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: to the actress, he was like, I don't want anybody
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: to have it pinned down.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: I don't want to come down on either side of
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: the fence here.
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: Which is what I think they should be.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: And that is the tone of the film. It's all ambiguity.
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: Everyone is ambiguous.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: I think that's what makes art what it is.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: It leaves you room to interpret it your own way.
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: And it creates its atmospheres without resorting to the kind
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: of haunted house cliches that we've become.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: It's not William Castle.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: It's not The Conjuring. There's no shock to it. I
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: kind of enjoyed the first Conjuring movie, but... It's alright.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: I like it.
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: But it's every haunted house cliche all thrown in, and
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: it's all shot cuts with thumping bass notes. And this
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: is very slow, and it's very And very casual and
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: very matter of fact in the way that it presents
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: its weirdness and its hauntings.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: That's what I, yeah, again, I think that's atmospheric is
• 43:44
  Speaker 7: how you describe something like that. And like, that's something
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: I don't use much in modern movies. Like, I feel
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: like it's hard because I think they're so reliant on
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: a jump scare or. or again, now they will do
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: the weird editing where like, if I take so many
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: frames out, this ends up really close to you really.
• 43:59
  Speaker 8: Fast and it freaks you out, which it does.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: That works, but it's a.
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: Very different feeling than, than just general.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: And everything is soundtrack. Yeah. You know, signal to you. So,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: you know, this is jumpy because the music just.
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: Which they have a nice creepy tone to their music.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: So again, the music kind of fits in the same
• 44:18
  Speaker 7: way as the mood.
• 44:19
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: Music is interesting. Uh, because there's, there's two aspects to
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: the music. One is, one is the, the score by
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: George Arik and the other two movies that I, I
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: put up, put on the short list for this to
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Jean Cocteau movies, La Valle La Bete and Orfe.
• 44:38
  Speaker 8: I'm up for those down the line if you'd like.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: And, uh, George Arik is a connecting point between them
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: because he was Cocteau's, uh, composer of, of choice. And,
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: and he was, uh, He was a very well-respected composer
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: in the French classical world, one of Les Six in Paris.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: But it also was pioneering in its use of electronic
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: sound in the movie. For 1961, it was pretty rare,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: but brings that kind of a discordant element in the...
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: In the scoring of the movie as well.
• 45:20
  Speaker 7: Especially at that point when you really had not heard
• 45:22
  Speaker 7: anything like that. It's, you know, Day of the Earth
• 45:25
  Speaker 7: still is kind of like the first time you start
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: bringing in really weird electronic noises.
• 45:29
  Speaker 8: So this is still pretty close to that.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, you're probably still unnerving people just by like,
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: what is that noise? So I think, I think what,
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: what is your take on it overall? Is it, is
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: it something that, is it, just the atmosphere that works?
• 45:44
  Speaker 7: Is it something that you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I think it's a complete package. I think the screenplay
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: is brilliant, the cinematography is brilliant, the story is strong
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: in the first place, the performances are outstanding, the handling
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: of all the elements by Jack Clayton is so sure-footed.
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: It is for me, certainly would be in my top
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: five scary films. Scorsese put it in his top ten.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to argue with Marty.
• 46:19
  Speaker 7: It is one of those that's sort of underseen and
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: underrated at the time. Even they were like it wasn't
• 46:26
  Speaker 7: shocking enough to be the drive-in circuit. It didn't pull
• 46:30
  Speaker 7: in even the later Hammer fans. It wasn't gory enough,
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: but it was still just a little too weird for
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: normal moviegoers. So it's like, yeah, it took it 20,
• 46:39
  Speaker 7: 30 years before people caught up and went, wait, have
• 46:41
  Speaker 7: you seen this movie? So it's one of those that's
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: reestablished itself in recent years as being a classic. And
• 46:47
  Speaker 7: so I guess that's, that's, is that the sort of
• 46:50
  Speaker 7: thing you're going to tell them as you introduce this?
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, you know, I'll just introduce it with the
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: details of the movie and hope people enjoy it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: It was my choice. I mean, they asked me to
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: come and introduce a movie of my choice.
• 47:08
  Speaker 8: That's awesome.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: That's the one I went to.
• 47:10
  Speaker 8: That was my take, too. I was like, if it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 8: something we haven't done.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: You've just watched it.
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: Yeah, that was technically. Since I suggested it. It is
• 47:17
  Speaker 8: one of those.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: I've been around movies so much. This is the game
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: I play all the time. I knew the cover. I
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: worked in a video store for so long that I'm like, oh,
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: I know that movie.
• 47:28
  Speaker 8: And then I went, I don't think I've watched it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 8: And I sat down. I'm like, no, I haven't watched it.
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: So I thank you for letting me watch it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: And your response to it?
• 47:35
  Speaker 8: I loved it. Like, I really, yeah, I think I
• 47:38
  Speaker 8: agree on all of that. Like, I was surprised.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: Again, I was kind of like up in the air.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: What I remember seeing of Deborah Kerr was kind of like, again,
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: she's just sort of standard Hollywood lady and lady kind
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: of thing. So watching her pull in this creepy and
• 47:51
  Speaker 7: dark performance was really interesting.
• 47:54
  Speaker 8: And then I also feel like.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: It's something that, you kind of touched on this earlier,
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: they would not do today. Not only would they not
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: end it that dark that way, We're assuming the kid's dead.
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: I think even in the original screenplay, it was. They
• 48:08
  Speaker 7: started off with him at the funeral where they're burying
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: him and they took that out because they didn't want.
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, okay. And now again, you're telling me stuff I
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: don't know.
• 48:17
  Speaker 7: They supposedly had it written as it starts at the
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: funeral and the housekeeper's there. I don't even think the
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: uncle's there, of course, because he doesn't care. But the housekeeper,
• 48:28
  Speaker 7: all the other grounds people were there and they're all
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: shunning Deborah Kerr because... We don't know yet, but obviously
• 48:34
  Speaker 7: as it goes on, but yeah, it starts there. And
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: they were like, we don't want to telegraph what happens.
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: We want to leave everything. So just in the gray area,
• 48:43
  Speaker 7: the whole way through that, like, what if we cut
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: to this shot of black and we just mess with
• 48:46
  Speaker 7: people for a few minutes. And then it also sets
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: it up so that now it's almost like a loop,
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: because if you watch that in, like it goes to
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: her hands again. And that's where we come in on
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: the story. So now is it all being told in flashback?
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: Or is this, you know, is that just a weird
• 49:02
  Speaker 7: shot and we're seeing it the first time through?
• 49:05
  Speaker 8: You don't really know anymore.
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: It's certainly a good move to take the funeral scene out.
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: Undercut.
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: So I feel like definitely they wouldn't end it that
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: dark now, but they also, I feel like, wouldn't.
• 49:17
  Speaker 4: But also it increases the ambiguity.
• 49:19
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: You i think it's much.
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: Better that we assume he just falls down he's dead
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: that's my other take was is there an alternate angle
• 49:28
  Speaker 7: because again we're almost seeing everything from the way she
• 49:31
  Speaker 7: sees it or thinks it in her mind yes is
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: there a version and what killed him Well, that's what
• 49:36
  Speaker 7: I'm saying.
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: If he's dead, why.
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: Did he die?
• 49:38
  Speaker 7: Alternate perspective somewhere that's her hugging.
• 49:42
  Speaker 8: Him and basically strangling him because she's insane at that point.
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: And we've already seen these weird little like him coming
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: up behind her earlier and she's like, get off. You're
• 49:51
  Speaker 7: hurting me. That's a weird strangling portion. And then the
• 49:54
  Speaker 7: bird having its neck broke. I'm like, there's already like
• 49:57
  Speaker 7: all these seeds planted of like somebody breaking someone's neck.
• 50:01
  Speaker 7: So I'm like, I'm wondering, is there a, again, I
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: think he didn't even want to pin anything down, but.
• 50:05
  Speaker 7: I'm like, there's a possibility that, like, she killed him.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: She just throttled the life out of him, literally. And metaphorically.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, I thought that was, you know, that's interesting.
• 50:16
  Speaker 7: But also I feel like that whole wrap-up, there's also
• 50:19
  Speaker 7: no explanation as to, I think if it was a
• 50:21
  Speaker 7: movie now, we'd have to explain everything so much of, like, okay,
• 50:24
  Speaker 7: this is why I think it will remove the spirit if.
• 50:27
  Speaker 8: I do this.
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: And I found this book and it said, like, they'd
• 50:29
  Speaker 7: pinned down exactly why this is going to remove the
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: evil spirit from him.
• 50:33
  Speaker 8: And like, we don't have that at all.
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: She's just like, if he says the name, if he
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: admits that it's a possession, then it'll go away. I'm like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: what are you basing this.
• 50:41
  Speaker 8: On, insane woman?
• 50:43
  Speaker 7: So, yeah, it kind of leaves everything so in the
• 50:46
  Speaker 7: gray that I'm just kind of like.
• 50:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think they would do this at all now.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Nope.
• 50:51
  Speaker 8: Which is, again, why I, appreciate this.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: Movie probably more than anything they would do now most
• 50:57
  Speaker 7: of the time anyway so yeah i i i really
• 51:01
  Speaker 7: enjoyed it and uh it will be obviously now i'm
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: telling people to go watch it but yeah well i hope.
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: People do i'm sure they will be uh rewarded if
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: they're not familiar with it and if you you know
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: if you've seen it and you haven't seen it now
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: for a while it's rewards going back to no question. Definitely.
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: Cause yeah, I just kind of watched different bits and
• 51:21
  Speaker 7: pieces a couple of times getting prepared for this and like,
• 51:24
  Speaker 7: I'm watching a totally different movie the next time through
• 51:26
  Speaker 7: because I'm like, well, I know now she's kind of,
• 51:28
  Speaker 7: you know, or possibly crazy or are they possessed? So
• 51:31
  Speaker 7: you go through and it is kind of a different
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: movie that second time and probably third and fourth and
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: you just pick new.
• 51:37
  Speaker 8: Things each time. So yeah, it's, it's a great movie
• 51:40
  Speaker 8: and thank you for suggesting. Cool.
• 51:42
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 51:43
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 51:45
  Speaker 7: Do you want to tell people where to find you
• 51:46
  Speaker 7: or as far as online or what's the, what's the
• 51:49
  Speaker 7: best way.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: To keep up with, uh, uh, darkbradley.com, uh, is one place. Um, uh,
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: there is a Facebook page. I don't do Facebook. I
• 52:00
  Speaker 4: don't do social media.
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: It's a lot to deal with.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: I have a Twitter account, which we opened just to
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: shut some guy down who was pretending to be me
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: on Twitter, which I know, um, fondly as Twatter. Um, uh,
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: I have no interest in telling people I had a,
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: you know, a good shit this morning. How do you
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: know what we had?
• 52:20
  Speaker 8: I need to know what you had for lunch yesterday.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Nor should you. It's for me to know and
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: for you to wonder about. So, and there was a,
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: there was a t-shirt that I, I, I wanted to get,
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: which had the, like the Facebook, logo but it was
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: an h instead of an f and and.
• 52:41
  Speaker 8: That was the beginning of it's pretty accurate and.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: It was the um how's how about we all leave
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: each other the fuck alone for five minutes book that
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: won't happen uh but i so i i uh i
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: have a twitter account that i don't use um there
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: is an instagram account that steph looks after and there's
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: um There is a Facebook page, which is a fan page.
• 53:05
  Speaker 8: The official kind of.
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can't like me. I won't be your friend.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Damn it! Do not want to be your friend. But
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: you can keep up with stuff there and post there.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Steph and my web mistress, Laura, take care of that.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: That would be it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 8: He won't be your friend, but he'll tear your soul apart.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I will.
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: I will. Quite happily. On a regular basis.
• 53:37
  Speaker 7: Well, thank you for being here, and thanks for suggesting
• 53:39
  Speaker 7: that awesome movie.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Pleasure.
• 53:40
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: All right, so now, as though you're already breaking things down,
• 53:59
  Speaker 7: you're wrapping it up anyway, but we're going to wrap
• 54:00
  Speaker 7: up this episode. So, if nothing else, thank you, Two
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: Days of the Dead, for letting us loiter about here
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: and do this thing that we're doing, pestering people like
• 54:09
  Speaker 7: Ryan right now.
• 54:11
  Speaker 8: And Doug. Sorry about that, Doug. But, yeah, so thank
• 54:16
  Speaker 8: you to Days of the Dead.
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: To find out what they're up to, daysofthedead.net is where
• 54:20
  Speaker 7: you go. They have at least five cities now, which
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: based on the way I've been hearing, this one might
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: be a permanent one because everybody seems to say it
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  Speaker 7: was busy and went over well. So maybe Louisville is
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  Speaker 7: now a permanent home for Days of the Dead.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's kind of awesome.
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  Speaker 2: That would make me very, very happy.
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  Speaker 8: Just move in. You'll be here every time. Yes, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Trying to stop me.
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  Speaker 7: I'm sure I will be. When am I not at
• 54:45
  Speaker 7: one of these? So, yes, I will also do that. So,
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  Speaker 7: Days of the Dead, go check them out. There's four
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  Speaker 7: more cities coming up in the near future. And we
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  Speaker 7: can actually kind of do a little teaser. I rarely
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  Speaker 7: get to tell people what they're going to see beforehand,
• 54:59
  Speaker 7: but this time I can say.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, kids, get out your decoder pins.
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  Speaker 7: You.
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  Speaker 3: Can tell that tonight's message was really important.
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  Speaker 7: Because in upcoming weeks, in the very near future, we're
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: going to be discussing.
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  Speaker 8: The Mist. Prepare yourself. We'll also have a special guest.
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  Speaker 8: It's going to be awesome. Go watch it now, and
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  Speaker 8: if you haven't seen it before, you might be traumatized. Anyway,
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  Speaker 8: wait for the end. It's going to be great.
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  Speaker 7: It's going to be fun. Gather the kids around the TV. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 7: go watch The Mist. I think that's about it. Anything
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  Speaker 7: else you'd like to tell people?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you to everybody who came out and bought art
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  Speaker 2: and supported the local artist and all the vendors and
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: all the celebrities and the... The lady that brought me
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: vegan cupcakes. That's it.
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  Speaker 7: Specifically to you, or she was handing them out like
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  Speaker 7: the cupcake fairy?
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  Speaker 2: No, she was bringing vegan cupcakes to meet Elvira, and
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: she had a couple left over, and I was like, well,
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  Speaker 2: I'm a vegan, and I like cupcakes.
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  Speaker 8: And you've got big... Oh, no, wait. One of those
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  Speaker 8: things is not the same as Elvira. Hold on.
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  Speaker 14: No, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: No, but I did trade her art for cupcakes, so
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  Speaker 2: I definitely came out on top there.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not going to make an Elvira joke. I'm not
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  Speaker 8: going to make an Elvira joke. Thank you to her too.
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  Speaker 8: So I agree with all of those things. That was awesome.
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  Speaker 8: And I'm glad you hung out with us too. I
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  Speaker 8: didn't get too much time. There's way too much going
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  Speaker 8: on at the same time here as per usual with
• 56:26
  Speaker 8: all of these conventions.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. There's always so much going on.
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  Speaker 7: So this is probably not the place to do it.
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  Speaker 8: So we'll just have to bring you back for a.
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  Speaker 7: Regular episode in the near future and then we can
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  Speaker 7: talk about horror movies or I'm assuming horror movies because
• 56:39
  Speaker 7: that's mostly what we talked.
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  Speaker 2: You'll have to speak to my agent. I'm going to
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: have to charge her for the next one.
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  Speaker 8: It's your wife I saw here earlier. We know who
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  Speaker 8: runs things. Come on.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 7: She does.
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  Speaker 2: Talk to her.
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  Speaker 8: Otherwise, I think that's about it. You want to say goodbye, Ryan?
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  Speaker 2: Goodbye, Ryan.
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  Speaker 8: You just wait until our vaudeville act takes off. It's
• 56:58
  Speaker 8: going to be awesome. You keep that mustache. This is
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  Speaker 8: going to go over really well.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.
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  Speaker 8: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
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  Speaker 8: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 6: We lay my love and I Beneath a weeping willow
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: But now alone I lie And.
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  Speaker 9: Weep beside the tree Singing oh willow wade By the
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  Speaker 9: tree that weeps with.
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  Speaker 6: Me Singing oh willow wade till my lover returns to me.
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  Speaker 9: Piano plays softly.
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  Speaker 6: Singing oh willow waley By the tree that meets with
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  Speaker 6: me Singing oh willow waley Till my lover reeds and
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  Speaker 6: I Beneath a weeping willow A broken heart have I.
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  Speaker 9: O willow, I die O willow, I die.
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  Speaker 4: Nick, could you try not to find things funny for
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: the next five or ten minutes?
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  Speaker 5: This episode is a production of Movie Meltdown, produced and
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• 59:58
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  Speaker 3: Talk hard!