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List Contested #2 - Pixies · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  Hey everybody, let's make it abrupt just like that 'cause
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  I'll edit this later. Our Pixies list was contested
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  and this has been a conversation that's come up several times on
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  After the fact if if you've ever listened to our after the fact
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  patreon.com/show. Hi Justin, if you haven't, I I
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  highly recommend it, but the Pixies have come up a lot our
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  our list like a a great deal. I'm going to ask you to to
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  explain what we got wrong, John, like what was it?
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  What was it that we did wrong on that first Pixies list?
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  Yeah, I think it's it was early on in the show and I've listened
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  to a lot of those early ones and I think there was you you tried
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  to force in one of the the reunion songs, which is wrong.
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  There was a little bit of of trying to steer away from from
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  some of the obvious ones, which with the Pixies is again, is
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  maybe not the best choice. Man, I think you had like La La
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  love you is on there and like I like that song, but that song
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  has has no business on a on a Pixies top ten.
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  I mean, the Pixies are such a like standard of like everything
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  is goes back to the Pixies that we listened to since 1991,
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  right? And that's thanks to Nirvana and
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  Nirvana blatantly ripped off the Pixies.
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  So I feel like you have to have a Pixies list that is able to
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  stand up and really gets into some stuff.
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  And I don't think that original list, I feel like it was, it was
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  maybe trying to be a little too cute.
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  Yeah, but in defense, you know, like you said, it was, it was
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  very early on and it very much was, you know, when you listen
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  to it, it is very much I, I kept referring to when we first
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  started the show, it was your 10 and then you had your 10, you
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  know, honorable mentions as opposed to just a 20.
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  You know, it works out to the same math, but it is very it was
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  a different mindset. And look, I you know, I won't I
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  won't defend it any further, but I will ask Adam, I don't know if
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  you had a chance to listen to the episode at all, but you
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  know, like what would you hope for from from a Pixies list as
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  far as like the sound wise, like what are this is your chance to
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  find a kind of give some love to the Pixies since you didn't get
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  to be on that episode. I think I have heard it before
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  and I do think, yeah, La La love you.
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  And there's probably a few others on there that I think
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  that I like. I like them a lot.
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  But they did. I agree with what John was
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  saying there. I think for me, my my heart
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  probably lies in come on Pilgrim and surf for Rosa.
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  I I was lucky enough to see the Pixies recently come on their
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  tour, the anniversary tour of those that AP and the album to
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  play them in their entirety and it was just unbelievable.
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  So I loved, I also love Doolittle and all the all the
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  the first incarnation albums, all the first.
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  But that's where my heart lies. So I'm really keen to talk a bit
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  about some of those songs. Now, Curtis, this I, I've been
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  trying to go back and do like, hey, you know, an image with,
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  hey, here's our list. How do we do?
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  And I don't know that you necessarily answered, but you
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  kind of said, oof, let me know when you want to talk about this
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  list. So here it is.
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  Tell me about the the Pixies that as you mentioned on the the
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  Frank Black episode, this was this is kind of like recent for
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  you, But you still knew we were wrong.
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  How how were we wrong in in your opinion?
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  I. Don't want to be rough or cruel
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  or crude. Oh, you do.
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  None of these songs are bad. There are some absolute Hall of
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  Fame bulldozer must listen to Pixie songs that are not on this
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  list. And there's four that are right.
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  And then the the big one that sticks out to me is we we don't
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  even follow the rules. There's there's a cover on here.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So to that point here, here's
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  where I'll pick it up on the first episode.
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  The three that were unanimous were where is my mind gigantic
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  and La La love you, which we all agreed in pre that we love La La
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  love you, but you're out of here.
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  You don't belong here. You're out.
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  So let me round out that the the rest, that 10 just so we can see
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  what else got tossed out. I bleed Cecilia Ann.
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  No, that one's in greens and Blues.
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  As John mentioned from the the Reformation head on in the
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  holiday song, all those are gone and we kind of agreed that these
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  are the four that we're going to keep.
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  Where's my mind? Here comes your man, a gigantic
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  debaser. So that's where we're starting.
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  Let me get my other list up here so we can we can go with the
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  Pixies here. What we decided to do was we we
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  picked 7 songs each that we're going to mash together in an
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  attempt to try to fill out those last six spots.
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  Some of these probably are no brainers, but they didn't get
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  there first time. So I need to get my list.
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  Where is it? What did I call it?
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  I should have been prepared and I was not.
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  I've got it written down, but I want to be able to play from it.
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  That's right, pixaslated. All right, I'm going to start at
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  the top here and I'm not going to go the one that John thinks
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  I'm going to go with, though that one is on my list.
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  Spoilers. But when I kind of like combed
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  back through the discography, I don't remember if I had this one
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  or not because I don't have this my 20 look written down
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  anywhere. But like when I heard this song
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  I was like oh why? Why did I not have this?
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  We are wrong. Dig for fire.
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  No. No.
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  No, it's a. Great song.
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  It is a great song, I really wish I had it there.
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  But it's like the it's like the 18th best Pixie song, Yeah,
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  which is nothing, which is nothing to nothing to, you know,
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  shake your head at. But it it's not in that, it's
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  not in that ultimate classic list all.
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  Right, John. Wave of mutilation.
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  OK, are both songs are we counting or are we separating?
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  You we're counting them as one wave of mutilation.
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  We've. We've definitely, definitely to
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  me this should be in discussion for later even too.
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  Yes, for sure. I don't have it, but I also
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  agree that it should be at least conversation, so I.
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  Will I don't have it either, but it's so hard to I just I mean, I
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  love this song, but I just I struggle big time with this
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  list. Actually I was so unhappy with
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  my list, but because the reason I left out.
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  It's a wave of mutilation. Come on.
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  Yeah, you're not. Think about that like.
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  You're not incorrect. You're not incorrect.
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  All right, Adam. OK.
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  I'm going to try and find something off the base so that
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  we can land and I'm going to go with hi.
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  Well, didn't see that one coming, no.
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  Yes, no brainer. Absolutely 100% was.
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  Such a classic song. Yes, yes, yes.
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  OK, so 3. It's often Sane is one of their
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  best songs, so yeah, gladly. I saw them when they did the
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  Doolittle Tour, they're playing the whole thing and hey was the
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  highlight. So basically what I'm doing here
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  is if it has more than one, I'm putting it on a list and we'll
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  just come back to it. Yeah.
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  All right, Curtis. This is, I mean, we're talking
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  about live highlights. This is the live Pixie song to
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  me and it's cactus. Oh no.
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  Oh man, I'm funny. I struggled so much to work out
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  which song to pick and I could have easily been that one, but
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  no. No, it's just it's fault only
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  letting us pick 7. Yeah, it really is.
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  It's very main. I can't save your friend.
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  Nope, sorry. Oh man, 1 cactus.
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  Wow all. Right, this one.
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  Come on. I can't.
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  There's no way. I can't be the only one who has
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  bone machine. I've got it.
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  No. I have bone machine absolutely
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  in those. Drones kicking.
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  All right, all right. I'm seeing that one live far
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  out, man. That is just ferocious,
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  brilliant all. Right.
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  So I mean, at worst, at worst it's in the combo.
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  All right, John. Gauge away.
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  Yeah, man. Yes, of course.
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  Yes, there we. Go, you can gouge away.
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  Gouge away to wave a mutilation spot on my list.
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  Yeah, I think that's, I think if I did the math out, I think
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  that's that's how I had it. All right, let's play a little
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  bit of that gouge away. You can go.
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  Nobody asked you to sing, Justin.
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  Don't sing all right, Adam. I don't think we've got anything
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  from. Come on, Pilgrim.
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  Yeah. So I'm going to go with.
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  I've been tired. No.
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  No. Excellent.
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  I know it's a bit of it's a bit of a deeper cut, but I think
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  excellent. I do not have that one either.
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  So it, it, it hangs out all on its own.
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  All right, Curtis. The Gloria.
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  Yeah, man. Yes.
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  No, that would have been #8 though.
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  Yeah. Weezer's cover's really good
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  too. Yes.
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  Yeah, agreed. All right, let me add that to
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  the gimmick. All right, that's time for the
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  one that John has been waiting for me to say.
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  And if it doesn't make the 10, I'm fine.
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  But please tell me one of you, One of you has UMass.
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  Oh my God. No, no.
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  I mean, if if we had had, if we had had 10 or 15, I would have
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  thrown it on there. But yeah, there's there's
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  another one from that album that that I picked instead.
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  I can't believe me too. Whiffed on UMass twice a.
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  A total lock if we were doing 20.
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  For sure a. 100%. All right, John.
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  All right, the one that I chose instead of UMass way down in
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  this subaculture. I got subaculture.
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  No. No.
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  But yes, that we can talk about that again.
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  Goes goes back to the purple tape, one of their first songs.
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  I love purple tape. I got a broken face.
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  Oh, actually prefer that version of Broken Face.
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  All right, Adam. OK, so I'll pick the one that I
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  had in place of UMass from that album.
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  That's Alec Eiffel. Oh man, you're picking these
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  great songs, but they're just not in that top 7 for me.
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  We can't make it too. Easy gets stuck in my head all
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  the time, but no. Yeah, it actually, you know
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  what, that one gives you a little bit of a flavour for the
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  Frank Lac solo, doesn't it? Sure, sure.
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  Where it was going, you know, Sort of, yeah.
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  Oh yeah, it would have absolutely fit on teenager of
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  the year. It would have, yeah.
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  All right, so A1, All right, Curtis.
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  Not an iconic song but has all the iconic Pixies elements of
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  loud, quiet, loud and the duet of the two of them during the
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  chorus. River Euphrates.
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  Yes, I'm so glad you had that. Yeah, love this tune.
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  Me too. No.
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  The best live song I've seen maybe in my life, Life Ride the
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  Target. It's just hit for so ferocious,
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  it's fucking great. Yes, yes, yes.
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  All right, my last one team no. No.
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  No, but it's such a great song, Yeah.
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  No bleachers. I mean just a 2 minute song.
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  This is if we're doing 20, that might be unanimous.
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  I think so. Yeah.
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  All right, John. Vamos.
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  Lately cut 8 through 10. No, I I'm out actually.
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  All. Right.
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  So was that your last one, John? No, I also have a broken face.
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  Oh. Broken face.
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  You got broken face, Curtis. No all.
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  Right what? It's a great song.
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  It's a. Great song.
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  All right, just. For fun.
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  Just for fun, Curtis, what do? You got Planet of Sound.
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  We're all done so. What are the threes here?
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  Well, we got a 4 gouge way, right?
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  Yeah. Gouge way is in and so we got
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  between the threes and the twos we got up to, we got up to 11.
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  So only ones got to go bye bye. We've got wave of mutilation,
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  hay, bone machine, Valoria, subaculture and River Euphrates.
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  So is there one that you're looking at there, John, that is
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  kind of weaker than the rest? I hate to say it, but probably
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  Valoria doesn't stand up with the other ones.
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  I know, I know it. It feels wrong to say, but when
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  you're talking about like the ultimate echelon of Pixie songs,
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  I'm looking at, hey, I can't get rid of Waking Mutilation.
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  I can't get rid of hey, can't get rid of Bow Machine, River
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  Euphrates. And for me it comes down to
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  review Freight River Euphrates versus Valoria.
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  And I think River Euphrates gets the slide nod for me.
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  What do you think, Adam? To me, review your fighters is a
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  is a lock for myself personally, but I probably agree.
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  Although the only thing is we don't have anything off bossa
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  Nova, do we? No.
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  Yeah. So I, I probably, for me it's
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  either Gloria or probably several culture.
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  I think that I'd knock out all. Right.
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  Well. You think those are the 2 later
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  ones? So yeah.
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  What do you think, Curtis? Gloria is like one of my top ten
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  favorite songs, but as far as it being like we're making an
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  iconic Pixies list, I think I understand the argument for
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  leaving it out. It's wild, isn't?
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  It it is well. But I mean.
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  And again, probably would have been unanimous with 20.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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  Yeah, it would. A lot of this comes down to the
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  format here, doesn't it? Yeah.
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  Like. I can see, I can see you, sorry,
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  with us doing if, if it was us doing the original picks
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  episode, I can see us getting 13 or 14 unanimous.
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  Probably totally. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah, I mean. You'll have to reopen it again
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  Justin, in about 5 years to put something from bossing over on
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  there. I'm removing valoria, which is
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  crazy to say. So list has been contested and
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  this is what we came up with. Where is my mind?
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  Here comes your man, gigantic debaser gouge away.
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  Wave mutilation, hay bone machine, subaculture, River
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  Euphrates. And just like that, the list has
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  been contested. And if you would like to contest
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  the list, reach out to me. You can find me on threads at
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  the program VA, on the Facebook machine or on Instagram.
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  All that great stuff. You can find me.
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  I'm at the Hulkster on Twitter as well.
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  All that stuff. Whatever man, find me.