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Jealous hubby and cheating wife decapitate wife's young lover? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many times have you
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  Speaker 1: heard somebody say not you, of course, but somebody else.
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  Speaker 1: It's just sex, nothing more. It's never just sex. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to this. A twenty five year old lover goes missing
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  Speaker 1: and when he's found, his head is not attached to
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  Speaker 1: his body. Let that sink in for a moment. Crime
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  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace and the prime of his life.
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  Speaker 1: This twenty five year old guy disappears off the face
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  Speaker 1: of the earth. Take a listen, stay, please look for
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  Speaker 1: a missing twenty five year old man from Keene. Police
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  Speaker 1: say that Jonathan Armrolt was reported missing after he failed
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  Speaker 1: to show up for work in Jaffrey. His family hasn't
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  Speaker 1: heard from him since Saturday. He may be driving a
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  Speaker 1: gray Subaru Imprezzo with New Hampshire plates. Anyone with information
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  Speaker 1: asked to contact state police. You're hearing our friends at
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  Speaker 1: WMU are getting the word out that this twenty five
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  Speaker 1: year old victim, Jonathan Emerald, has seemingly vanished into thin air,
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  Speaker 1: dropping off the face of the earth. Its first notice
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  Speaker 1: when he doesn't show up for work one morning. Then
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  Speaker 1: his family, disturbed calls and reports him missing. He has
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  Speaker 1: never disappeared before, not even once, with me an all
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  Speaker 1: star panel to break it down and put it back
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  Speaker 1: together again. First of all, you know him well. Defense
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  Speaker 1: attorney in multiple jurisdiction is joining me out of Atlanta today.
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  Speaker 1: Darreld Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney. Debbie Joppy Ellis
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  Speaker 1: New York's ecologist, professor at Columbia University at Debbie Joffe
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  Speaker 1: Ellis dot com. Former police chief John's Creek, Georgia Chief
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  Speaker 1: Chris Buyer's twenty five years as an officer, now private
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  Speaker 1: investigator and polygrapher at Chris Buyer's Investigations and polygraph dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. Author of Blood Beneath My
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  Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and the star of a new series
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  Speaker 1: Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network Joseph Scott Morgan.
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  Speaker 1: But first to Nicole Parton, Crime Online dot Com investigate
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  Speaker 1: every reporter, Nicole Parton, have you noticed, over and over
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  Speaker 1: and over, nobody knows they're missing until Monday morning when
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  Speaker 1: they don't come to work. Um. First of all, that
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  Speaker 1: means that a lot of murders and nefarious dealings take
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  Speaker 1: place over the weekend. I'm just gonna go hide into
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  Speaker 1: the bed right now and wait till Monday to come.
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  Speaker 1: But why is it that when he was first noticed
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  Speaker 1: missing when he didn't show up to work, Do I
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  Speaker 1: have that right? That's true, Nancy, and you're right, we
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  Speaker 1: see that so often. So it was Monday morning when
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  Speaker 1: twenty five year old Jonathan didn't show up for work.
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  Speaker 1: He was employed at Teleflex, the medical device at a
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  Speaker 1: company called Teleflex, and so they are a maker of
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  Speaker 1: medical devices, a maker of medical devices. They make them
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  Speaker 1: or distribute them. I think they do a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of both, as my understanding. Did he have to travel
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  Speaker 1: for his job? Do we know anything about that? Or
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  Speaker 1: did was he there at the central office? He was
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  Speaker 1: there at work and also working some remotely I think,
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  Speaker 1: um lately as of the pandemic. But he was very
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  Speaker 1: well liked at the job. He didn't miss work. It
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  Speaker 1: was very uncommon for him to not show up, not
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  Speaker 1: be in contact with his fellow employees. And so when
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  Speaker 1: he didn't show up for work on Monday morning, that's
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  Speaker 1: when they begin to suspect that something was wrong. To
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  Speaker 1: former police Chief John's Creek, Georgia, Chris Buyers, Chief, you're
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  Speaker 1: now an investigator and a polygrapher. How many times as
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  Speaker 1: somebody reported missing from friends at work. Here, that doesn't
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  Speaker 1: bother me as much because this is a single guy,
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  Speaker 1: he lives alone. Nobody's gonna know he's missing until he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't show up from work. Yeah, and that's normally what
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  Speaker 1: happens in these cases. When it's somebody's single that lives alone,
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  Speaker 1: it normally will be work that reports them as not
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  Speaker 1: coming in. And then at that point, of course you're
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  Speaker 1: looking at their work history. Is there something normal for
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  Speaker 1: them or not? But it's all too common, especially in
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  Speaker 1: this age rings we're talking about twenty five. Yeah, you know.
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  Speaker 1: On the other hand, Daryl Cohen, before you went to
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  Speaker 1: the dark side and became a defense lawyer, how many
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  Speaker 1: cases when women go missing, they are noticed by their
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  Speaker 1: families because they into text, call email with their mom
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  Speaker 1: or their sister, or their girlfriends, but particularly their family.
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  Speaker 1: And when you don't hear the family doesn't hear from them,
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  Speaker 1: they notice more quickly than when a guy goes missing.
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  Speaker 1: Now this is anecdotal. I'm just thinking back over all
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  Speaker 1: the cases I've investigated, prosecuted, and covered, it seems to
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  Speaker 1: me more often women's families report them missing. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: talking about the mom, the dad, the sisters, a girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: as opposed to guy's families work they notice at work
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  Speaker 1: the guy's missing. Well, Nancy, that's very true. Women have
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  Speaker 1: a tendency of being more social and more verbal, more caring, articulate,
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  Speaker 1: No offense to you, of course, perhaps more caring, but
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  Speaker 1: not more articulate. I would put that at a level
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  Speaker 1: playing field. And certainly more verbal. Women tend to say,
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  Speaker 1: use a lot more words than men do, because the words.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a whole other issue to you, doctor Debbie
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  Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis, you're the psychologist joining US adjunct Professor Columbia.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie, what is the difference? Why? I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know this means something. I just I'm a trial lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: You're the shrink. Why is it that more typically it's
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  Speaker 1: the men's office that reports them missing, and the women
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  Speaker 1: have their mom's, sister, girlfriend report them. And I'd agree
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  Speaker 1: with Darryll and this is a generalization, of course, but Debby,
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  Speaker 1: you know what he was trying to say, women talk more.
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  Speaker 1: That's what all that meant, Okay, And I'm not agreeing
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  Speaker 1: with that, but going well, I don't necessarily agree with
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  Speaker 1: that either, Nancy. Let me be more precise. I agree
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  Speaker 1: that many women can tend to be more social and
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  Speaker 1: have a network, be it larger or smaller, but one
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  Speaker 1: to whom they can side and more regularly stay in contact.
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  Speaker 1: So that's the part I agree with. Harold said, what
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  Speaker 1: about it, Joe Scott Morgan, your son just joined the military.
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  Speaker 1: How often is he writing home? Infrequently? I'll put it
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  Speaker 1: to you this way. But you have to understand, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: he's going through really intensive training, so his mom is
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  Speaker 1: the one that actually reaches out to him most of
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  Speaker 1: the time. See, that's my point exactly. That's my point exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not judging men. I'm just saying that as a
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  Speaker 1: crime statistic, and this could bear some studies, some empirical data.
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  Speaker 1: How often women are reported missing by their family or
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  Speaker 1: girlfriends extended, you know, like parents, sisters, versus men being
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  Speaker 1: reported at work. Long story short, he's reported at work,
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't shown up. Now back to Nicole parton Crime
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  Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Does the workplace call his
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  Speaker 1: family or how did the family get involved? That's my understanding.
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  Speaker 1: So the workplace reached out to some family member that
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  Speaker 1: they knew and that they were accustomed to talking to,
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  Speaker 1: reached out to family. Family, begin to try to call,
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  Speaker 1: try to text, go over to his house just to
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  Speaker 1: make sure that he was okay, to see what was up.
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  Speaker 1: And that's when they couldn't sign Jonathan. He was gone,
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  Speaker 1: his car was gone, and that's when they began to
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  Speaker 1: speak to authorities to let them know that they felt
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  Speaker 1: like something was wrong. Now that right there, to you,
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  Speaker 1: chief buyers, when you're gone and your car is gone,
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  Speaker 1: that's a big aid to law enforcement because they know
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  Speaker 1: they're looking for a great Subaru. They probably got the
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  Speaker 1: tag number, and so the search starts there. Because everywhere
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  Speaker 1: on the highway you've got licensed grabs, you've got video
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  Speaker 1: surveillance at toll boost, at stop, at red lights, at intersections.
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  Speaker 1: Explain to me what is a tag grabber, Chief through
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  Speaker 1: What you would do is take the tag and enter
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  Speaker 1: into the into the state system. At this point, you
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  Speaker 1: can put whatever type of alerts on there you want,
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  Speaker 1: whether this is the wanted person, missing person, person with
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  Speaker 1: you know, some type of Alzheimer's or something you're looking for.
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  Speaker 1: So once that's entered into the system, anytime it hits
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  Speaker 1: whether it's a mobile police car that has tag readers
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  Speaker 1: on them, which the majority to do that the agency
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  Speaker 1: that I came from, over half of ours had them,
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  Speaker 1: or whether it's the fixed sort of stationary radar signs
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  Speaker 1: that have the tag readers built in whenever there's an alert,
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  Speaker 1: whenever that tag passes through, it will alert law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: that that tag has gone through the location and then
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  Speaker 1: you can take action from there, depending on what the
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  Speaker 1: entry into the system was. Chief, give me a yes, no,
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  Speaker 1: really quick answer on this, Chief, buyers very often you
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  Speaker 1: pass it looks like a metal rod on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the interstate and it's got a little panel on
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  Speaker 1: top that looks like it might some kind of a
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  Speaker 1: sonar paddle panel. But what that is is a tag grabber.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what they look like. Yes, they came in
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  Speaker 1: all different types, but you can have them like those
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  Speaker 1: you'll see the construction signs, or it's coming to some
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  Speaker 1: jurisdictions where it they'll say welcome to your jurisdiction with
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  Speaker 1: a message board. Those have tag readers built into them,
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  Speaker 1: so they come in all shapes. Inside Prime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, Guys, we're talking about the disappearance of a
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  Speaker 1: twenty five year old man Jonathan Emerald and the prime
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  Speaker 1: of his life when he doesn't show up for work
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  Speaker 1: the workplace caused his family. They put out the alarm
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  Speaker 1: with a formal missing person's alert, but then take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friend, Saban Lopez WMU R nine. A
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  Speaker 1: body found in northern New Hampshire is now believed to
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  Speaker 1: be twenty five year old Jonathan Emerald, who was reported
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  Speaker 1: missing from Keene on Monday. The discovery was made Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: in an unincorporated area of Coask County known as Atkinson
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  Speaker 1: and Gilmanton Academy Grant, more than two hundred miles from
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  Speaker 1: Amerald's home. The location of the grant it is not
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  Speaker 1: a place that is anywhere near Keene, and so we
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  Speaker 1: have had a great deal of geographic diversity in this
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  Speaker 1: investigation and I think that's a continue. Emerald was reported
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  Speaker 1: missing when he did not show up for work, but
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  Speaker 1: his family hadn't heard from him since Saturday. Specifically, we
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  Speaker 1: are hoping that people who may have had any sort
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  Speaker 1: of contact with or knew his whereabouts from Saturday the
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  Speaker 1: nineteenth on should go ahead and contact the New Hampshire
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  Speaker 1: State Police Major Crime Union guys two hundred miles away
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  Speaker 1: from home. That sort of body is found out. Let's
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  Speaker 1: pick apart what we just heard. Jonathan's body, a twenty
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  Speaker 1: five year old young man, just you know, straight out
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  Speaker 1: of college. Really his body found two hundred miles away
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  Speaker 1: from home in a remote area. Now what that says
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  Speaker 1: to me? It was a wooded, remote area. That's what
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  Speaker 1: they mean by remote. To Nicole parton Crime online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter, tell me about the area in which
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan's body was found. The area where he was found,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, was a very remote, wooded area. And
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  Speaker 1: actually this place was really just frequented by hunters, those
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  Speaker 1: who were looking to get out and go hunting. There
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of camping there. There was one general
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  Speaker 1: store in the area. It wasn't a tourist area. It
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  Speaker 1: wasn't a very populated area, but a very dense wooded
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  Speaker 1: area where hunters would go for hunting. And it's also
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  Speaker 1: important to note this is an area where pretty much
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  Speaker 1: that entire region has zero cell phone service. So you're
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  Speaker 1: so far out that there's no cell phone service. There's
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  Speaker 1: not a lot of traffic, not a lot of businesses,
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  Speaker 1: just those hunters out there in the woods. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting. I didn't hear anything about his car being there,
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  Speaker 1: so his body is there, his car is still missing.
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  Speaker 1: So in my mind, that precludes any type up accident
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  Speaker 1: because he certainly didn't walk two hundred miles to get
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  Speaker 1: to a remote, densely wooded area and just die. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't commit suicide because again, where is his car? And
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  Speaker 1: in my mind to you, Joe Scott Morgan, that tells
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  Speaker 1: me right off the bat, just from what I just heard,
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  Speaker 1: that he has been murdered because there's no way for
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  Speaker 1: him to have driven himself there. Where's his vehicle? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if you've never been to this region of New England,
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  Speaker 1: and first off, it's absolutely gorgeous, but boys, it isolated,
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  Speaker 1: I mean really honest, body kind of ruins the view
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  Speaker 1: from Jo Scott. Yeah, it kind of does. Wit is
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  Speaker 1: in the eye of the behold or go ahead? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know this goes in my mind as a former investigator,
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  Speaker 1: that there's purpose behind this. That is that if someone
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  Speaker 1: did in fact kill him and deliver him to this location,
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  Speaker 1: they might not have known the location specifically, but they
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  Speaker 1: were seeking out an isolated location. Maybe they were familiar
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  Speaker 1: with it, just as Nicole just pointed out, this is
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  Speaker 1: an area that's only frequented by hunters, okay, and those
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  Speaker 1: areas in and of themselves are are typically very isolated,
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  Speaker 1: far out, far flung. So what would be your purpose
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  Speaker 1: for going out there, Well, it would be to hide
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  Speaker 1: a body. And from a forensic standpoint, this is even
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  Speaker 1: more crucial going back to Nicole, there's no cell service. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: how many times do we talk about these kind of
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  Speaker 1: cases where we're looking for pings on phone recall and
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  Speaker 1: so that's going to be critical coming back to this, Well,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to get much of a ping there,
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  Speaker 1: You're right about that. Just trying to analyze what we
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  Speaker 1: know right now at this juncture, car still missing, Gray Subaru.
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  Speaker 1: He's out there, body found in a remote area. You
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  Speaker 1: don't even camp there, you don't even r V there,
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  Speaker 1: only hunt there. So what is he doing there? And
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  Speaker 1: you know, I noticed something very significant was missing from
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  Speaker 1: that report, Nicole parton. They found the body without the head.
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  Speaker 1: That's correct. They found the body without the head, decapitated,
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  Speaker 1: wrapped in a tart with some branches laying over the body,
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  Speaker 1: where someone had tried obviously to camouflage that tart and
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  Speaker 1: to hide the body. I'm just letting that soak in
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  Speaker 1: for a moment. You know, at a certain point, Daryl Cohen, youth,
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  Speaker 1: were you in the office when the Wayne Williams prosecution occurred?
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  Speaker 1: Was just out, just out? Yeah, and the whole crew.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that was the first case in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Is my understanding where fiber evidence was used. I'm talking
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  Speaker 1: about the serial murders of multiple young boys and teens
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  Speaker 1: throughout the city of Atlanta, defendant Wayne Williams. And this
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  Speaker 1: is what many of the bodies, once they were all
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  Speaker 1: found had in common. Many of them had carpet fibers
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  Speaker 1: that matched carpet fibers in Wayne Williams home and in
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  Speaker 1: his car. My point is what I'm getting to, Daryl Cohen.
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  Speaker 1: We get to a point in this line of business
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  Speaker 1: where we hear that a body's been found, it's missing ahead.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what caught my attention right there was
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  Speaker 1: Swendicle Parton said, wrapped in a tarp because tarp. I
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  Speaker 1: immediately think of how am I going to prove this case?
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  Speaker 1: What evidence is there, what evidence has not been destroyed?
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  Speaker 1: And what can I do with it? What can I
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  Speaker 1: possibly prove? Every everything, what he was wearing, his fingernails,
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  Speaker 1: his face, his neck, the tarp. Everything is evidence. And
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  Speaker 1: this tarp, Daryl, could be a treasure trove of fingerprints
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  Speaker 1: of DNA. Where did you buy it? Where did it
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  Speaker 1: come from? Is it from a local walmart? If it is, great,
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  Speaker 1: let's look at that video surveillance. Who bought it? There's
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  Speaker 1: just so much to learn from something like a tarp. Oh, absolutely, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, going back from Wayne Williams, my memory is
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  Speaker 1: it was a green carpet and fibers were found in
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  Speaker 1: the trunk of his car. And this tarp we could have,
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  Speaker 1: as you point out, fingerprints doesn't really matter. Could we
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  Speaker 1: have DNA matters a lot? Could we have where a
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  Speaker 1: visio video evidence of where it was purchased? Home? Deepoat,
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  Speaker 1: lows Ace, one of the other smaller mom and pop
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  Speaker 1: hardware stores. They all have video surveillance because they have
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  Speaker 1: to protect themselves. So there is, as you point out,
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  Speaker 1: a treasure trove of possible evidence, but it has to
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  Speaker 1: be gone over carefully, piece by piece by the proper experts,
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  Speaker 1: or else is gone or ever, what about that, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. When you get something like a tarp, how
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  Speaker 1: do you process it? You process it very carefully. But
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  Speaker 1: I've got to add here, Nancy, when I have worked
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  Speaker 1: cases involving tarps, I would actually breathe a sode relief
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  Speaker 1: when I got out there and I saw a body,
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  Speaker 1: which I refer to as being cocoon because what the
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  Speaker 1: perpetrator does in this is they help us by containing
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  Speaker 1: all of this physical evidence. Darryl was mentioned just a
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  Speaker 1: second ago. We're talking about fibers, those sorts of things.
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  Speaker 1: So just imagine, if you will. It's almost like someone
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  Speaker 1: takes a gigantic bag and dumps every bit of the
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  Speaker 1: evidence into it. You know, I've actually seen bodies in
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  Speaker 1: the swamps in South Louisiana that were cocooned in plastic tarps,
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  Speaker 1: which were almost perfectly perfectly preserved. The perpetrator thought they
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  Speaker 1: were going to get away with it. We called them,
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  Speaker 1: we nailed up, we convicted them. You know, Jess got
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried about you. What do you and your wife
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  Speaker 1: talk about? Certainly not that I hope, well get in line.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of people worried about me. Yeah, okay, yeah, likewise,
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  Speaker 1: I hear you crime stories with Nancy Grace. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a twenty five year old man goes missing and then
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  Speaker 1: his body Minus's head is found two hundred miles away
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  Speaker 1: at a remote hunting forest. How did he get there? Well,
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  Speaker 1: already we're talking about the physical evidence that could be
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  Speaker 1: gleaned from the scene where his body is found wrapped
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  Speaker 1: in a tarp. But now, who did it? Who would
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  Speaker 1: go to all that trouble to take him two hundred
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  Speaker 1: miles from home, somehow get rid of his car and
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  Speaker 1: then behead him? Because I'm telling you that a random killing,
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  Speaker 1: the killer does not take time to behead the victim.
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  Speaker 1: They break into your house, they rape you, instill your stuff,
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  Speaker 1: or they shoot you, instill your stuff, they leave, bam,
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  Speaker 1: and a story. Who takes the time. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: this is a real life dexter. Uh to behead the person,
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  Speaker 1: wrapped them up like a mummy and dump their body
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  Speaker 1: two hundred miles away. Think about it, Think about who
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  Speaker 1: would do such a thing. And then the investigation begins,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, it starts with family, girl friends, ex
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: girlfriends and so forth, and so on until you hit
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  Speaker 1: the jackpot. To you Nicole parton Crime online dot Com
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: investigative reporter, who was he dating let's just start with
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: that she was dating a coworker. So he was dating
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: thirty one year old Britney Baron. From a minute, Doctor
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Debbie Joffe, ellis, why can I just be surprised once
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  Speaker 1: that you're not dating a co worker? You know, when
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: you you date people well work, it is in misery.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl Cohen, didn't you date plenty of people
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  Speaker 1: at work? That's what I always heard, no comment, there's
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  Speaker 1: the only ground I thought, So go ahead, doctor Debby. Well,
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  Speaker 1: it may or may not end in misery. If the
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  Speaker 1: two individuals are single and there's no third party, it
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: may end quite happily. You know, when you're in proximity
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: and at work or not at work, you get to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: know one another. And so when a person is not
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: attached to someone else and there's no treachery or secrecy involved,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: it actually is a good way to get to know someone.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: It may end well. But when there are other parties
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: involved and there's secrecy, yeah, it may not end well.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I advise against workplace romances because in the
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: event you do break up or it doesn't work out
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, you're stuck with a person. You see
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: them every single day which one of the parties is
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: going to be unhappy, and that's just like dragging them
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: through the pain. It's got to affect your work. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: there's one other little problem with this romance. Isn't Britney
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Baron married Nicole? That's correct. Brittney Baron is married, a
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: married mother and she was dating Jonathan on the side.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: They were hiding their relationship, but she absolutely was a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: married woman. Okay, there you go. Now, what were you
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: saying about office romances, doctor Debby? I did say, Nancy,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: if the people are single, they potentially could be good,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: but you know it's important they'd be mature, intelligent, single
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: people and realize if it doesn't work out, the reality
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: is they'll still be seeing each other. Are they willing
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to take the risk to get closer, to get intimate
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because if it doesn't doesn't work out, Yeah, there may
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: be some challenges. On the other hand, there are situations
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: if people are mature and okay, how many but they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: break up amicably and they still get on at work.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: There are many cases like that, so you know it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: not one one situation. Appost Okay, just say every doctor debbye.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: We know you're the shrink. But everybody in the studio
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: is going no way, no way. But okay, you're entitled
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: to your professional opinion and we will be left with
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: our amateur opinions here on the other end. You know,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to you former chief of Police John's Creek, Georgia Chief
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Chris Buyers now PI and Polygrapher Chief Buyers, you can't
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: keep an office romance a secret. Don't you know everybody
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: in that office knew what was going on. Oh absolutely, absolutely,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: everybody knew what was going on, and everybody is ready
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: to talk when this kind of stuff happens. So yeah,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: it's I'm with you on that opinion. It's never a
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: good idea, and it isn't Shoe chief. You know, I've
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: been to plenty of office office settings where a murder
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: victim had worked. They know everything and you really do
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: not have to twist their arms to get them to
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: tell you slight. They've been waiting for you to walk
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: in so they can unload everything they know about the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: victim or the relationship or whatever it may be, the defendant,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: you name it. I mean, you can learn so much
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: at the office where the victim or the defendant work.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, You're spending forty hours plus a week there.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: You're doing life with these people day in and day out.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: They knew everything and like you said, the ready to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: talk guys, I hope you're sitting down. Take a listen
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: to Katherine Underwood at NEC in Boston. Court documents reveal
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: a twisted tale of infidelity and rage. There was the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: beginning of a extramarital relationship that was going on at
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the time. Brittany Baron told investigators that when her husband
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: found out out that she was having an affair with Emeralds,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: he took her cell phone and he used it to
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  Speaker 1: lure Emeralds to this park here in Brine, New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 1: That's where authorities say Emeralds was shot and killed. Britney
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  Speaker 1: Baron told investigators that Armando then ordered her to drive
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  Speaker 1: Emerald's body four and a half hours north, where she
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: allegedly tried to cover up her husband's crime. Armando Baron
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is also facing several domestic violence charges for allegedly beating
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: his wife while they were driving here to the park
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to meet Emeralds. Let me understand something, Nicole A Parton
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the Mistress. Britney Baron, age thirty one says that her husband,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Armando Baron, finds out she's sleeping with Jonathan Emerald, age
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: twenty five. He gets furious. He learns this by scrolling
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: through her cell phone. I mean what I mean, it's
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: so obvious. He finds all their texts and their meetings,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and there I love yous on the cell phone goes
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to start, and then she goes along with luring her
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: lover to this location where he gets killed. Do I
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: understand the facts correctly? That far? That's correct. So her
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: husband finds conversations with the lover on the cell phone,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and then her husband uses her cell phone to text
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  Speaker 1: Jonathan saying meet me at a nearby state park. It
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was late Saturday evening. Apparently this was a part that
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: she and her lover had frequented before, they'd gone there
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: for romantic rendezvous and walks and so forth, and so
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: of course Jonathan jumps on the opportunity to drive out
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  Speaker 1: to the park late in the middle of the night,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Saturday night to meet what he thinks is just Brittany alone.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: She never had a chance to warn him, apparently not
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  Speaker 1: her husband had her phone, So I guess she's saying
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: that she had no other means to contact Jonathan to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: let him know what was going on. Interesting take a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: listen to Scott Chase out of New Hampshire. Well the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: seat recognizes that the defendant has been cooperative and has
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: assisted investigators. This case is especially heinous and gruesome. The
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: brutality of the crime, combined with the fact that the
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: defendant's destruction of evidence wasn't an effort to conceal a
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: capital murder, is especially alarming and concerning for the safety
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: of the general public. Beyond just cleaning up physical evidence
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: of the victim's car. After driving Jonathan's body nearly two
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: hundred miles north of the crime scene in Jonathan's own
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: car deep into the north Woods, the defendant decapitated Jonathan,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: wrapped his head in a tarp, and placed it in
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: a grave in order to prevent investigators from identifying Jonathan
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: if his body was ever found. The defendant then wrapped
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Jonathan's body in a tarp and drag him deeper into
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  Speaker 1: the woods, where investigators found him in a shallow brook.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: This was all with the intent to conceal a capital murder.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Had this defendant successfully destroyed that evidence, her husband, the
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: alleged murderer may very well have evaded detection and or apprehension.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Gray. For those of you just
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: joining us, A twenty five year old young man dead,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: his body found decapitated two hundred miles away from home.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: So she takes the dead body of her lover alone
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: in his car and drives it two hundred miles and
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: decapitates him. Is that correct? That's correct? So they leave
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the park today, well, Brittany Jonathan, Yes, Brittany Baron, the
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: deceased lover Jonathan in Jonathan's car. She's driving with the
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: body and they're making this four and a half hour
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: track north up to this remote wooded area that we
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: talked about earlier. Meanwhile, her husband, Armando Baron is following
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: behind in his separate vehicle, but she's driving with the
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: deceased in the deceased car up to this wooded area.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: When they get there, she decapitates him in his car.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Isn't it sure she had herself during this drive, That's
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: what I understand. I haven't confirmed that, but she did
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: mention that she had the cell phone with her because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: her husband wanted to be able to communicate with her
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: as they were driving. Daryl Cohen, Darryl Cohen, Daryl Cohen.
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  Speaker 1: So she drives the car and her with her dead
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: lover and the bat four hours with a cell phone.
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  Speaker 1: Then she decapitates her lover, cuts his head off. Why
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: didn't she call a police, Well, Nancy, obviously she couldn't
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: call a police. She didn't want to use her phone. Walter,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: that would be what what what did you say to drive? No?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Nor do you want to use the phone with your
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: hands unless you have hands That's fine, you have hands free.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Every phone called speaker, Well, she was certainly a speaker,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: but unable to speak at the time. That is, that's
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  Speaker 1: that's the first time I've ever lost a tiny bit
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: of respect for you. She didn't want to talk on
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the phone while she was driving. Okay, Jessica Morgan, let's
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: just get back to reality and off the Daryl Cohen planet, Josicot.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: She drove four hours with the dead body of her
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: lover in the back seat, and then she beheaded him
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and around she had her cell phone. There's no defense
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  Speaker 1: for her. Her husband is not in the car. Yeah,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: you know when I when I first heard of this story, Nancy,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: I'm the word kept coming up in my mind of durest.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: It's a word that attorneys used quite a bit, law
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: enforcement uses it quite a bit. But now you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: since you kind of shed this light on the fact
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that she was absent this guy who was, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: commanding her allegedly to facilitate all this thinking in a
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: four hour period, you couldn't just simply dial nine one one.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It doesn't it doesn't make sense to me. Guys, take
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: a listen to our friend Scott Chase. The defendant drove
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: nearly two hundred miles in a separate vehicle with a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: cell phone on her person in transporting the body for
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: three hours approximately. You're on her with multiple opportunities anywhere
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: in between Fringe and the scene of of her crimes.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Demonstrates that she had multiple opportunities to avoid emitting the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: crimes that she is currently charged with the crime. And
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: another example of that is the steering wheel itself. Her
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: cleaning that steering wheel was after Armando, as your honor
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: can see in the Affidavid had gone to destroy other evidence.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Beyond that, your honor, she did cooperate. She cooperated after
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: she was caught. She had multiple opportunities prior to being
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: caught by New Hampshire fishing game to seek help to
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: avoid regardless of you know, in addition to the two
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  Speaker 1: hundred miles that she drove and had the opportunity to
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: prevent herself from from feeling like she needed to commit
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: any other crimes. So to unicole Apart and crime online
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, how was the body found? So
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: the body was found decapitated as we know, the head
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: wrapped in a separate tarp, buried in a shallow wet
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: grave a few hundred yards from the body that was
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: also wrapped in a tarp that was kind of thrown
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  Speaker 1: in a stream in the area with some branches on
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  Speaker 1: top of it. So she manages to single handedly cut
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: his hat off, throw his body in a creek, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: bury the head. But how was she discovered? How was
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: the body discovered? Who discovered it? So it was at
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: this wooded area. After the body and the head were buried,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: her husband leaves her there. They make a makeshift camp.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: He says he's going back home, making that four and
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: a half hour trip back south, leaving her there at
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the campsite. She's there camping when hunters are coming by,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: saying look, lady you're camping in an unauthorized area. You're
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: not supposed to be here. So it was some hunters
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: who reported to the Department of Fishing Game that there's
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: a lady year at a campsite in an unauthorized area.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: And so when the Fishing Game Department came up on
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: the campsite, that's when they begin to locate and realize, hey,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: some things here are not quite as they would be.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: They told her to pack up camp to get out.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: They help her load up her things. They get out
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: of the camp in an area there where she's this
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: makeshift camps when she says to one of the gentlemen,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I forgot something. Can you go back to the camp
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: and look at this for me? And she also says
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: under her breath, I'm in a lot of trouble. Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: When those camp site they go back, and then what happens.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: They go back, and that's when they begin to look
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: a little closer and they find drag marks in the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: mud from her camp site over to that stream, and
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: that's when they find the body wrapped in the tark
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: with the branches. Now she does have a defense in
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: the works. Take a listen to her defense attorney Richard Guerrero,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: and everything that the State alleges that miss Baron did,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: she did under duress, and I mean under duress, meaning
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: direct fear from her for her life after having been beaten.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: According to the New Hampshire State Police account of this
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: in their interview with her, if you look at page four,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: this really started with her being beaten severely. If you
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: look at her face right now, to the extent that
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: you can see it, she still has the bruising on
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: her face and around her eyes, and it's described in
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the affidavit. Armando beat her severely and threatened her. He
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: put a gun in her mouth an obvious threat to
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: kill her. He applied enough force to her neck to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: make it difficult for her to breathe to the point
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: that she passed out, and chipped her tooth. In the incident,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: she was to say Lulie severely threatened, severely beaten and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: placed in fear of her life. Take a listen to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Annie Hersberger wmu R nine. Thirty year old Armando Baron
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: is charged with capital murder for allegedly kidnapping and then
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: shooting twenty five year old Jonathan Emerald in the head.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: His wife Brittney Baron also faces three charges of falsifying
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: physical evidence associated with the crime after driving Jonathan's body
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: nearly two hundred miles north of the crime scene in
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Jonathan's own car deep into the north Woods. That if
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: a decapitated Jonathan wrapped his head in a tarp and
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: placed it in a grave. Court records say this may
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: have been sparked when Armando Baron discovered an affair that
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: court paperwork said was going on between his wife and
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Emerald to U Nicole Parton. One last question. I understand
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: there's evidence that Britney Baron used a machete to cut
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Jonathan's wrist or hands after he was kidnapped and forced
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: into the car at gunpoint. I'm curious that's correct. Was
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: he still arrive when she chopped his hands with a machete? Yes, yes,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: he was alive when she did that. Okay, good luck,
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: good luck getting out of that one, lady. We wait
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: as justice unfalls. Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,