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New dad working second job GUNNED DOWN BY HEARTLESS TEEN GIRL OVER PIZZA $ · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A young father takes a
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Speaker 1: second job to support his family, literally working day and night,
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Speaker 1: the night job as a pizza delivery person. There, he
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Speaker 1: became the unwinning victim of a murder plot. Delivering pizzas
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Speaker 1: was a second job for Josh. His primary job was
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Speaker 1: working as a meat cutter for Payless Supermarkets. He worked
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Speaker 1: at this store for over a decade because coworkers were
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Speaker 1: devastated for the husband and father of an infant son.
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Speaker 1: How could that happen? How? You know, all he ever
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Speaker 1: wanted to do was take care of his family. That's
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Speaker 1: the only reason he had that second job. Well, so
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Speaker 1: he could provide and his wife could take care of
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Speaker 1: the baby and his stepson, and that's all he cared about.
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Speaker 1: Josh was killed less than a mile from the stores
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Speaker 1: he worked at, in his own neighborhood and his manager's neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: There is no more well, not in my neighborhood. Nobody
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Speaker 1: can say that anymore. It's sad, but it's true. So
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Speaker 1: we just we take it and we learned from it
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Speaker 1: and see what we need to do to improve so
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Speaker 1: that situation doesn't happen again. You are hearing our friend
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Speaker 1: Rich Night at WTHR thirteen News people in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: stating they'll take from it and learn what they can.
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Speaker 1: But what about his wife? What about his children? His
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Speaker 1: very young children to be raised without a father, without
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Speaker 1: a data, without those two incomes, How were they going
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Speaker 1: to be supported? All because of one screwed up murder
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Speaker 1: plot hatched to get money from a pizza delivery guy
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Speaker 1: and now a whole family is left devastated. What are
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Speaker 1: they supposed to take from that and move on again?
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation
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Speaker 1: in series XM one eleven. Let me introduce to you
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Speaker 1: an all star panel to help us understand what has
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Speaker 1: happened with me. Ashley Wilcot, judge and trial lawyer anchor
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Speaker 1: at Court TV. You can find her at Ashley Wilcott
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us from LA renowned
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Speaker 1: psycho analysts. You can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Cheryl McCollum, Director of the Coldcase Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: now Emmy winner, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, jacksonvill State University,
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Speaker 1: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Now the
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Speaker 1: star of poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network. But
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Speaker 1: first to my longtime friend and colleague, Crime online dot Com,
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Speaker 1: investigate every reporter, Alexis Terres Chuck Alexis, take a listen
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Speaker 1: to wt h R thirteen. Flafia police were called to
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Speaker 1: this address just after eleven pm last night. When they arrived,
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Speaker 1: they found two men shot and killed in the street.
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Speaker 1: One of them was a Domino's pizza delivery driver. The
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Speaker 1: Domino's store less than a mile away confirms thirty seven
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Speaker 1: year old Josh Ungersma was making deliveries last night. Josh
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Speaker 1: was a delivery driver for us for over a year.
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Speaker 1: He was a great guy and a great employee who
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Speaker 1: was working a second job to provide for his family.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen year old Alberto van Meter was apparently shot and
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Speaker 1: killed first at the scene. Neighbor Patrick Gibson heard the
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Speaker 1: shots from inside his house next door. If I came
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Speaker 1: out after I heard the first four shots, the kid
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Speaker 1: was already dead, so I don't know who shot the
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Speaker 1: first four shots or whatever. Then, Gibson says he witnessed
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Speaker 1: a teenage girls shoot the driver. I would never thought
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Speaker 1: once in my life I would see something like this. Happening,
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Speaker 1: like right there in my height somebody getting shot and killed,
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Speaker 1: or like somebody did like right there in my face
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Speaker 1: in that's the other reporter, Alexeis Terrest, checked with me.
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Speaker 1: Hold On, Alexis, I just had a thought to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. You know, I just heard for the first
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Speaker 1: time a fact that the pizza delivery addressed the shooting.
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Speaker 1: The murder was just one mile from the pizza parlor itself,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, when you think a pizza delivery guy in danger,
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Speaker 1: you think they're speeding to a delivery. Don't think of
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Speaker 1: this just a regular night working a second job to
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Speaker 1: support his wife and children. Worked all days the meat
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Speaker 1: cutter pizza delivery at night, one mile away. He never
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Speaker 1: came home. Nancy. You would also think there's a sense
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Speaker 1: of familiarity in that neighborhood, so he must have known
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Speaker 1: something about the neighborhood and which he was working. But
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Speaker 1: back to your point about the calm, the peacefulness of
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Speaker 1: familiarity we feel in our own surroundings. Think about the
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Speaker 1: statistic that most children who are murdered or kidnapped are
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Speaker 1: found within three quarters miles of the family home. Think
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Speaker 1: about the number of domestic homicide victims who are secreted
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Speaker 1: inside the home in which they lived. We think of
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Speaker 1: home as a safe place, but perpetrators also lurk close
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Speaker 1: to our homes and to their own homes, and they
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Speaker 1: seek familiar places as well. So crimes are not always
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Speaker 1: out on the freeway or at a rest stop late
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Speaker 1: at night. Often there within your own familiar surroundings. Which
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Speaker 1: is what happened here, Till Chuck Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. The familiarity that doctor Benthany Marshall is describing
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Speaker 1: really strikes me. Here's the guy out working a second job,
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Speaker 1: everything going spe stendered operating procedure. All of a sudden bam,
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Speaker 1: He's never coming home to his family again. Who is
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Speaker 1: this teen girl? What happened? So? Her name is Jelene Billets,
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Speaker 1: She's seventeen years old. She and her boyfriend, Alberto ben Meeter,
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Speaker 1: who was nineteen years old, came up with a plan
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Speaker 1: to rob a Domino's delivery guy. They went to a
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Speaker 1: house not even where I right there, right there, corrent
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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Cheryl McCollum, Director Colecase Research Institute,
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Speaker 1: Recent Emmy winner, Cheryl, don't the pizza delivery people have
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Speaker 1: a sign. I never carry over what fifty dollars something
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Speaker 1: like that, absolutely, And Nancy, COVID most people don't even
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Speaker 1: take cash anymore. Everything is your debit card or a
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Speaker 1: credit card. So here's a guy with practically no cash.
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Speaker 1: Even before COVID, they would very often, if not always,
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Speaker 1: have a sign in the window. Joe Scott, I seem
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Speaker 1: to see that all the time. We don't carry over
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Speaker 1: what fifty dollars cash? It's very clear why would you
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Speaker 1: target a pizza guy with nothing? They're vulnerable, Nancy. I've
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Speaker 1: worked cases involving pizza drivers and taxicab drivers over the
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Speaker 1: course of my career, and they all turned out like this.
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Speaker 1: They were like they were executions essentially, because you've got
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Speaker 1: the element of surprise. This guy's rolling up to what
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Speaker 1: the authorities have deemed as an abandoned house, and they
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Speaker 1: know what they're dragging this guy into, and they're going
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Speaker 1: to ambush him. Hey, his hands are full, he's got
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Speaker 1: you know you've ever had a pizza delivered your house.
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Speaker 1: He's got a pizza in his hand. He's got a
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Speaker 1: couple of drinks they've ordered that that's actually found on
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Speaker 1: the ground there, and this guy's going into a dangerous situation,
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Speaker 1: and it's the most vulnerable position you can be in
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Speaker 1: as a citizen. You're just going about your daily job.
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Speaker 1: You're not expecting to be murdered. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: The names of the two people found dead in this
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Speaker 1: Lafayette street are thirty seven year old Joshua ungersma In
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Speaker 1: nineteen year old Alberto van Meter. Both of them are
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Speaker 1: from Lafayette. Now. It happened near the street's heart heart
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Speaker 1: in sixteenth Street, excuse me, last night in Lafayette. Lafayette
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Speaker 1: Police Lieutenant Matt Guard says the call came in at
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Speaker 1: about eleven fourteen last night. When officers got here, they
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Speaker 1: found the two men dead from gunshot wounds. LPED is
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Speaker 1: still investigating the homicides, but a teenage girl has been
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Speaker 1: arrested in connection to what happened here now. The deputy
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Speaker 1: corner also mentioned that Unger's Mott was a pizza delivery
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Speaker 1: driver in Lafayette. Lieutenant Guard could not say if that
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Speaker 1: had anything to do with the investigation. Yeah, it had
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Speaker 1: plenty to do with the investigation. These predators targeted the
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Speaker 1: pizza delivery guy. They didn't care that he's working to
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Speaker 1: Jos to support his family and his children. They didn't
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Speaker 1: care about that. This call came in around eleven fifteen
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Speaker 1: at night. They used the cover of darkness lured him
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Speaker 1: there for what little money a pizza delivery guy carries.
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Speaker 1: You were just listening to our friend, Samantha Tike at
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Speaker 1: WLFI eighteen News. Back to you, Joe Scott, Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: jacksonvill State. You mentioned that you had worked a lot
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Speaker 1: of cases where pizza delivery guys and similarly possess positioned
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Speaker 1: victims are targeted and lured. Did you notice they waited
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Speaker 1: until it was dark to get the pizza. I mean
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Speaker 1: this was very well thought out, Joe Scott, Yeah, it was.
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Speaker 1: And think about this as well. There are two individuals
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Speaker 1: that are perpetrating this, this attempted robbery, if you will.
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Speaker 1: And so you have one person that's drawn the attention
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Speaker 1: of the driver, all right, while the other person is
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Speaker 1: essentially probably has a weapon being held on him. He
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Speaker 1: doesn't know where to go at this point. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: he's panicked. At this point, he is, like I said, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he is vulnerable. This is what is referred to as
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Speaker 1: a symmetry in victimology. That means one person has the
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Speaker 1: upper hand at all times. And things went really sideways
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Speaker 1: very quickly. You know, Cheryl will call him. You're the
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Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute and forensics expert
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott's laying a lot of fancy words on you.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear that symmetry in victimology? Okay? What is
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Speaker 1: he saying? All right? I would never say that too.
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Speaker 1: With jury, there's a lot of symmetry and victimology. What
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Speaker 1: just breaking down a column? He is so brilliant the issue.
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Speaker 1: You sure see that a side of your mouth. Go ahead.
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Speaker 1: You know he's frail. I love his voice, but basically
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Speaker 1: this person, I'm sure you'd be happy to report that
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Speaker 1: to your husband. But just keep going right now, enough
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Speaker 1: about Jay Scott Morgan and so called silver Fox. Go ahead.
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Speaker 1: But this is a soft target. So we see it
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Speaker 1: with delivery people, whether it's flowers or pizza. We see
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Speaker 1: it with real estate agents. They can be lured somewhere.
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Speaker 1: So this house is abandoned, so there's no phone, there's
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Speaker 1: no proper lighting, there's not going to be easy help
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Speaker 1: for the victim. So again they're laying in weight. But again,
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Speaker 1: my former prosecutor, Nancy Grace, I know what you would
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Speaker 1: do with this level of premeditation is beyond evil. So
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Speaker 1: you're talking about they stalk out this address, that's bogus.
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Speaker 1: They lay in wait, they make this phone call, they
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Speaker 1: order this pizza. And here's what's really discussing. They didn't
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Speaker 1: care who it was. It was just whoever in rotation
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Speaker 1: got this assignment. Whoever showed up was six and have
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Speaker 1: a gun shoved in their face. What they weren't counting
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Speaker 1: on is the victim having his own weapon. Yeah, they weren't.
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Speaker 1: And he carried that for reasons because I guess he
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Speaker 1: had felt threatened in the past. But he just kept working.
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Speaker 1: I want to go to ask you Wilcot Judge and
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Speaker 1: Trial Law, your anchor Court TV, ask you Wilcot dot com.
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Speaker 1: You know what my twins keep saying, Mom, I'm going
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Speaker 1: to get a job. I'm like, you're not going to
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Speaker 1: get a job. You're twelve. That's against the law. If
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Speaker 1: you want a job, here, here's a toothbrush and a
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Speaker 1: can of ajax. Getting there and clean the ground between
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Speaker 1: the tiles and in your bathroom tub. That worn't for
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Speaker 1: about a month, they keep saying this, get a job,
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Speaker 1: what delivering pizza? After I read a story like this.
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Speaker 1: You heard Joe Scott Morgan, you heard Cheryl McCollum. A
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Speaker 1: soft target. I'll never forget covering the real estate victim.
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Speaker 1: She went to a home, a guy was waiting on
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Speaker 1: her and murdered her. Just beautiful lady trying to She
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Speaker 1: had just called home and told her family, Hey, I
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Speaker 1: put something in the oven for you. Just turn it on.
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Speaker 1: I'll be there later, but your dinner's ready. I've got
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Speaker 1: one more showing I've got to go to. He killed her,
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Speaker 1: raped her and killed her. I mean, soft target. It
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Speaker 1: is just so wrong. It's not like some drugs shootout.
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Speaker 1: It's not like a wife plotting to murder her husband.
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Speaker 1: The pizza delivery guy, Ashley, Yeah, it's so random, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: It's really sad. We live in a world where you
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Speaker 1: always have to be aware, You always have to be
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Speaker 1: cautious because there are these on them crimes and criminals
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Speaker 1: will be criminals. Then they don't care who they hurt.
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Speaker 1: If they're going to try to rob someone like Jesscott said,
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Speaker 1: they had a gun, they didn't care what they did
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Speaker 1: with it, and it's really a world when we always
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Speaker 1: have to watch our back. But that doesn't excuse, condonor
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Speaker 1: defend the fact that these criminals took the life of
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Speaker 1: someone who was working hard to support his family. He never, ever,
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Speaker 1: ever should have been a target, right, there's no reason,
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Speaker 1: there's no excuse, there's no justification. And thankfully he had
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Speaker 1: a gun on him. I'm going to say that right
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Speaker 1: to carry, because if he didn't have a gun on him,
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Speaker 1: the results may have been the same, but it could
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Speaker 1: have been even worse. It just there's no good outcome,
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Speaker 1: but he had to be prepared for something just in case,
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Speaker 1: and it happened. Alexis. I just remember the woman's name
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Speaker 1: was Beverly Carter, the real estate agent. Just she looked
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Speaker 1: like a model, beautiful lady, beautiful family and goes to
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Speaker 1: this real estate showing and ends up getting murdered. The
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Speaker 1: defense at trial by the killer was that this woman
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Speaker 1: had met the killer for the first time and died
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Speaker 1: accidentally during a consensual sex act. The dinners in the
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Speaker 1: oven just put it on four hundred. I'll be home
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Speaker 1: in an hour, Are you kidding me? What a lie?
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Speaker 1: And I think we covered that together Alexis when Miss
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Speaker 1: Carter was murdered. And here we have another soft target.
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Speaker 1: As we hear Chryl McCollum describe it. What can you
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Speaker 1: tell me about the victim? He is very easy, seven
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Speaker 1: years old, he is married, he has a brand new baby,
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Speaker 1: not even a year old, baby's six months old. He's
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Speaker 1: a stepdad, a loving stepdad to a six year old son.
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Speaker 1: And as he's been a butcher for thirteen years, he's
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Speaker 1: had a steady solid job. About a year ago he
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Speaker 1: decided that, you know you, to do baby on the way.
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Speaker 1: They needed more money, so he got a job as
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Speaker 1: a Domino's delivery driver to earn more money. Everybody loves
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Speaker 1: this guy. I mean he worked so hard, and I
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Speaker 1: think you were right about Dominoes. But it's not fifty
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Speaker 1: dollars the driver's here, it's twenty dollars. That's nothing to
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Speaker 1: rob somebody over twenty dollars, you know, I guess, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I'm just learning a lot more about the victim. You know,
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Speaker 1: there are some men. I'm sure you've seen him out
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Speaker 1: there on rodeo drive. For everything is about appearance, not substance.
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Speaker 1: No offense to you. But here's a guy that marries
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Speaker 1: a young lady who is ringing with her a stepson.
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Speaker 1: A lot of men wouldn't touch that with a ten footpoll,
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Speaker 1: no matter how great the lady is. They just don't
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Speaker 1: want the responsibility. But he marries this woman with a stepchild,
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Speaker 1: then they have their own baby. Now, this that tells
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Speaker 1: me a lot about him right there, holding down this
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Speaker 1: kind of job for thirteen years, same position, ten years,
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Speaker 1: all day with a night job too. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: just reminds me so much of my dad, Doctor Bethany Nancy.
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Speaker 1: A couple of things come to mind about that. Who
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Speaker 1: wants to be away from their house late at night?
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Speaker 1: This was after eleven o'clock at night, when you have
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Speaker 1: a newborn at home. That in and of itself is
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Speaker 1: a sacrifice, not just the hard work of being a
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Speaker 1: piece of delivery man, but the loss of attachment with
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Speaker 1: your own child's or own family. Of course, he would
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Speaker 1: much rather have been at home than out working, probably
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Speaker 1: for minimum wage. The second thing is you mentioned the
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Speaker 1: realtor who is killed in the course of her work.
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Speaker 1: The guy laid and wait so that he could rape
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Speaker 1: and murder her. Where we are assuming that these perpetrators
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Speaker 1: were intending to steal money. These were two teenagers. What
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Speaker 1: if that was not the m for the crime. I
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Speaker 1: don't know criminology, but I do know human nature, and
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Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing that they needed to
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Speaker 1: use that much worse for twenty dollars. Well, of course
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Speaker 1: they didn't. You're trying to apply logic to an illogical situation.
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Speaker 1: Of course they didn't need to, but they wanted. This
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Speaker 1: guy's twenty five dollars crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a
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Speaker 1: guy working two jobs to support his stepson and his
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Speaker 1: kneeborn baby and wife. I just hate it because it
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Speaker 1: reminds me and my dad work in the night shift.
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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, the rest of us would be at
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Speaker 1: home and we'll be long to sleep before my dad
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Speaker 1: would make it back home. And then, you know what,
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Speaker 1: even getting home at two o'clock in the morning from work,
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Speaker 1: when I would wake up for school, my dad would
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Speaker 1: be up in there helping us make breakfast to get
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Speaker 1: ready for school. It just makes me sick. Sick about
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Speaker 1: this guy. Joshua Ungersman, we're learning a lot about what happened,
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Speaker 1: and about the characters involved, and about the victim himself.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Rich and IWTHR thirteen. Two witnesses
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Speaker 1: say they saw seventeen year old Jalen Billips shoot a
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Speaker 1: Domino's pizza delivery driver just after eleven pm on August thirty. First.
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Speaker 1: Court records say that Billops ordered pizza with a false
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Speaker 1: name to an unoccupied address on sixteenth Street in Lafayette.
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Speaker 1: When josh ungers Might arrived with the delivery, Billips and
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend allegedly tried to rob him. Investigators believe ungers
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Speaker 1: Must shot and killed nineteen year old Alberto van Meter
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Speaker 1: with a revol over, then Billips shot and killed Ungersma
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Speaker 1: with a nine millimeter handgun. The team faces multiple felony charges,
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Speaker 1: including three counts of murder and armed robbery. The charges
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Speaker 1: hold Billips responsible for Ungersma killing her boyfriend. Billips made
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Speaker 1: her initial court appearance by video and told the magistrate
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Speaker 1: her family plans to hire an attorney. Yeah, she's gonna
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Speaker 1: need a lawyer. Joshua Ungersma, however, dead. There is a
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Speaker 1: go FUNDI set up for his family and Jackie, if
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Speaker 1: you could get that for me, Alexis, I'll circle back
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Speaker 1: with you on that, but this is what we know.
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Speaker 1: The shooter Jalen Billups seventeen, charged with killing Joshua Ungersma,
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Speaker 1: and she may end up being charged with the death
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Speaker 1: of her boyfriend, who was shot during the armed robbery.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen year old Alberto ven Meter also dead in the
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Speaker 1: middle of all this. What do we know about her,
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Speaker 1: Alexas Tereshiak, I'm looking at a mug shot right now.
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Speaker 1: Seventeen Yep, we know she is seventeen years old. She
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Speaker 1: has I guess her boyfriend that she was there with.
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Speaker 1: But here's what happened during the crime. What the police
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Speaker 1: have said is, so she and her boyfriend ambushed Umar
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Speaker 1: sm some there are a bunch of shots fired. The
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Speaker 1: boyfriend is on the ground dead. That neighbors come out.
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Speaker 1: They talk to Umber as much Joshua. He says, please
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Speaker 1: call the police, and she actually dialed nine one from
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Speaker 1: her phone, the samphone that she called to order the
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Speaker 1: pizza from. Is what the police have said. So she
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Speaker 1: is starting the crime. She's calling up Domino steps him up.
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Speaker 1: He comes. Then after the boy her boyfriend's shot, she
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Speaker 1: takes the gun and walks up to Joshua and shoots
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Speaker 1: him point blank and kills him. You know that's overwhelming
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Speaker 1: to me. Could you just go through that very slowly
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Speaker 1: one more time? I'm sure so. Jalen is the one
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Speaker 1: that actually makes the phone call from her cell phone.
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Speaker 1: She calls Domino's Pizza. She orders the pizza. Joshua shows up.
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Speaker 1: He is ambushed by this couple. There are shots fired.
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend, I'm saying boyfriend, the boy with her, the teenager,
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Speaker 1: the nineteen year old man is shot. He is on
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Speaker 1: the ground. Clearly, I believe dead. Everybody. People the neighbors
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Speaker 1: are coming out from the house. They see it. Angersma,
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Speaker 1: the delivery driver says to the neighbors police, I was
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Speaker 1: hoping he gets hope that he didn't feel anything. So
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Speaker 1: he lays there knowing he's dying and asked people to
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Speaker 1: call police. No, no, no, he hasn't been shot yet.
22:45
Speaker 1: He has not been shot yet. He is he's defended himself.
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Speaker 1: He's defended himself from the robbery, and he is doing
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Speaker 1: the right thing staying away from the scene. So then
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Speaker 1: so he's there, he's doing the right thing. The responsible
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Speaker 1: to can call the police. She actually nine one one
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Speaker 1: from her cell phone. Then she picks up a gun
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Speaker 1: and walks over to him and shoots him point blank
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Speaker 1: and killed him. Alexis this is so different from what
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Speaker 1: has been reported, Doctor Bethany Marshall, did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: I heard the entire thing a Nancy. One of the
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Speaker 1: things I wondered was Jalen. She's there with a gun.
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Speaker 1: She sees her boyfriend shot and killed a seventeen year
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Speaker 1: old girl, then goes and shoots Josh the pizza delivery man,
23:45
Speaker 1: who is the seventeen year old girl. Like she's a
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Speaker 1: homicidal seventeen year old. It's almost like she went to
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Speaker 1: that abandoned house with homicide on her mind, not with
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Speaker 1: pizza or the pizza dreams or stealing the twenty or
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Speaker 1: the fifty dollars or whatever she thought she could find.
24:05
Speaker 1: This is a young woman who is primary m O
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Speaker 1: was homicide. That she was trigger happy, She was ready
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Speaker 1: to do it before the pizza delivery man ever even
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Speaker 1: arrived at the house. You know, in my mind that
24:19
Speaker 1: changes so much. First of all, it was going to
24:22
Speaker 1: be a felony murder anyway, which carries a life sentence
24:25
Speaker 1: if she's treated as an adult, because it was during
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Speaker 1: the commission of a robbery. That's a felony, and someone
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Speaker 1: died josh Unger's mo the dad to too. But now
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Speaker 1: Alexa's terrest stripe. From what I understand you're telling me.
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Speaker 1: After Anger's ma tells neighbors call police, she comes over
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Speaker 1: and shoots him dead. Yes, he actually The neighbors said,
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Speaker 1: are you okay? And Joshua said, According to the police,
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Speaker 1: josh And says okay, but call the police. He tells
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Speaker 1: the neighbor to call the police. The police are saying,
25:03
Speaker 1: you know, in according the affidavit, they say she actually
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Speaker 1: called nine one one from her cell phone. So she
25:09
Speaker 1: used his cell phone to call Dominoes and she called
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Speaker 1: nine like one. Then the neighbor says he witnessed this.
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Speaker 1: He said, she picks up a gun and walks right
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Speaker 1: up to unders and shoots him. Walks right up to
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Speaker 1: the delivery arver. So he had been okay. Now police
25:25
Speaker 1: are saying, or the prospers say he had several gunshot
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Speaker 1: ones I don't. They have not revealed how many times
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Speaker 1: he was shot, or if perhaps her boyfriend had fired
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Speaker 1: at him. But he said he was okay. So you've
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Speaker 1: been shot, you wouldn't say you were okay way any
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum Nancy the point of all this that really
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Speaker 1: steaks out for me too is the victim. The delivery
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Speaker 1: driver had already put his gun back in his pocket,
25:51
Speaker 1: so he thought the threat was over, and he was
25:54
Speaker 1: certainly not looking at her as anybody that was involved
25:57
Speaker 1: with this robbery in the beginning. So again it goes
26:01
Speaker 1: for premeditation. Both of these suspects have a gun laying
26:05
Speaker 1: in weight on this man. When this happens and she
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Speaker 1: sees her boyfriend shot, it's critical to me that she
26:11
Speaker 1: didn't run away in a panic. She didn't freak out
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Speaker 1: and leave the area to even save herself. She walked,
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Speaker 1: not ran, walked up to that victim and shot him
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Speaker 1: dead point blank and stayed there and police capture her
26:26
Speaker 1: own scene. This is not your average seventeen year old.
26:30
Speaker 1: To judge and trial lawyer a court TV anchor Ashley Willcot,
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Speaker 1: that is absolutely premeditated, because first of all, you have
26:38
Speaker 1: the premeditation of them luring him. The victim, Joshua Angersma
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Speaker 1: to an abandoned home. It was not for a pizza.
26:46
Speaker 1: The boyfriend, Van Meter, comes out with a gun, he
26:50
Speaker 1: gets shot dead. Ugersma calls asked people to call police.
26:54
Speaker 1: She comes straight out and guns him down. There's no
26:57
Speaker 1: way around it. This is first degree. So I absolutely agree,
27:02
Speaker 1: and I'm actually really impressed at that charged with two
27:05
Speaker 1: counts of murder. Why because the phone connected her to
27:10
Speaker 1: the initial call to the pizza delivery, which was premeditated
27:13
Speaker 1: to get somebody there. Right, she did that and as
27:16
Speaker 1: a result of that, her boyfriend was killed in self defense.
27:19
Speaker 1: So I think it's genius on behalf of the prosecutors
27:22
Speaker 1: to charge him with both crimes. I just have to say, Nancy,
27:25
Speaker 1: this reminds me. Do you remember probably five years ago
27:28
Speaker 1: the uber driver in Atlanta that was murdered, gunned to
27:32
Speaker 1: the back of the head. Again, they never found any
27:36
Speaker 1: connection between the person that shot him and killed him
27:41
Speaker 1: and the fact he was an uber driver in the
27:43
Speaker 1: middle of the night. I know that family. The reason
27:45
Speaker 1: he was doing it was to help support the family money.
27:49
Speaker 1: Exact same type of case crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
28:05
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how upsetting this case is. You've
28:13
Speaker 1: got a decent guy, no connection whatsoever to these two defendants.
28:20
Speaker 1: Second job, I pulled up this picture while we were
28:23
Speaker 1: talking that I want to show you. If I can
28:25
Speaker 1: hold it long enough, look at him. Look at him
28:29
Speaker 1: with his baby, brand new baby, second job to support
28:35
Speaker 1: his family. You know, take a listen to Rich Night
28:41
Speaker 1: WTHR thirteen. Gibson posted video on Facebook from the scene
28:49
Speaker 1: after both shootings. The seventeen year old girl was arrested
28:53
Speaker 1: for robbery and murder. She could be charged as an adult.
28:57
Speaker 1: Unger'sma also worked in the meat department pay Less Grocery
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Speaker 1: for over a decade. The store manager says he was
29:03
Speaker 1: married with a newborn baby. We want to be able
29:07
Speaker 1: to do everything we can for the family, and we
29:09
Speaker 1: are going to for right now. We asked that you
29:13
Speaker 1: give us some time for the healing process. The Domino
29:16
Speaker 1: store is closed today out of respect to the younger's
29:18
Speaker 1: my family. Autopsies or scheduled for both men tomorrow. It'll
29:22
Speaker 1: be up to the prosecutor whether to file any criminal
29:24
Speaker 1: charges against that seventeen year old. I'm just wondering now
29:28
Speaker 1: if she will be treated as an adult throughout the
29:30
Speaker 1: proceedings as she should. To forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan,
29:35
Speaker 1: Professor Friens at Shacksonville State University, j Scott, how can
29:39
Speaker 1: we use forensics to prove the scenario that alexis reported
29:45
Speaker 1: how it went down. Well, you know, let's go back
29:49
Speaker 1: to what Max said just a few moments ago, when
29:53
Speaker 1: this young man, this pizza driver, had actually taken his
29:57
Speaker 1: weapon and placed it into his pocket. From what I'm understanding,
30:02
Speaker 1: it was probably a revolver, a thirty eight caliber revolver,
30:05
Speaker 1: which is kind of compact. There were four rounds that
30:09
Speaker 1: had been fired, so you have those casings that are
30:12
Speaker 1: contained at their end, those rounds, those bullets are going
30:15
Speaker 1: to look different than what this seventeen year old i'll
30:19
Speaker 1: call her an executioner, allegedly was caring. She was carrying
30:24
Speaker 1: a nine millimeter and those two rounds are going to
30:27
Speaker 1: look completely different, all right, And then we have to
30:30
Speaker 1: think about range of fire. You know, with her, one
30:33
Speaker 1: of the things that keeps coming up is this is
30:35
Speaker 1: an execution style shooting. Shot him at point blank range.
30:39
Speaker 1: When people say things like point blank, they throw it around.
30:43
Speaker 1: Point blank is a real thing. That means that you're
30:45
Speaker 1: within very close distance of this individual. I'm going to
30:49
Speaker 1: be very curious to find out what the range of
30:52
Speaker 1: fire is. Did she walk up to this guy and
30:55
Speaker 1: just shoot him in the side of the head, Did
30:57
Speaker 1: she shoot him in the chest and how many times
31:00
Speaker 1: did she fire? And all of that's gonna be revealed
31:03
Speaker 1: after the autopsy. Well, we do understand from the autopsy
31:07
Speaker 1: from the coroner that the victim, the dad of two,
31:10
Speaker 1: Joshua Angersma, was shot multiple times. He leaves behind wife Jenny,
31:17
Speaker 1: stepson Logan, and his six month old baby boy. Sebastian
31:23
Speaker 1: head warked as a butcher at Payless supermarket for thirteen years,
31:28
Speaker 1: then joined Dominoes two years ago to make extra cash
31:34
Speaker 1: to support his young family. I want to focus for
31:39
Speaker 1: a moment on bills abub Jaillen Billups seventeen years old.
31:48
Speaker 1: Could you give me any reason, ashe Wilcott, she should
31:53
Speaker 1: not be treated as an adult. In many jurisdictions, it's
31:56
Speaker 1: called the seven deadlies. If a juvenile all commits one
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Speaker 1: of the seven deadly sins, they will be bound over
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Speaker 1: from juvenile court to adult court. Those seven deadlies being,
32:09
Speaker 1: if I think I can remember them all off the
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Speaker 1: top of my head, murder, rape, child molestation, sodomy, kidnap, arson,
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Speaker 1: and armed robbery. There you go. This definitely is one
32:26
Speaker 1: of the seven deadlies. Give me one good reason a
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Speaker 1: trial judge to kick this back to juvenile Ashley I
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Speaker 1: don't think that a trial judge would, But I will
32:35
Speaker 1: tell you the reason why it's possible under the law. Yes,
32:39
Speaker 1: you're correct, seven deadly get charged as an adult. The
32:42
Speaker 1: reason that a judge will kick it to juvenile court
32:45
Speaker 1: is because remember, the purpose of the juvenile court system
32:48
Speaker 1: is to rehabilitate juveniles. The purpose of the adult system
32:53
Speaker 1: is to punish, and so they do it to try
32:56
Speaker 1: to provide that. I disagree. If the only purpose of
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Speaker 1: adult court is to punish, why do we have halfway houses,
33:04
Speaker 1: why do we have probation, Why do I just send
33:06
Speaker 1: everybody to jail. Adults get rehabilitated too, But the purpose
33:11
Speaker 1: of the system originally was not to rehabilitate, I would argue,
33:14
Speaker 1: it was to punish. Now there is rehabilitation, don't misunderstand me,
33:17
Speaker 1: but there is no there is for juvenile court for juveniles.
33:21
Speaker 1: There is no intent, There is no punishment intended, but
33:25
Speaker 1: rather rehabilitation. So when there's a hanous crime like a
33:28
Speaker 1: murder like this, they are in my opinion, going to
33:31
Speaker 1: be okay trying them as an adult because of the
33:34
Speaker 1: hanousness of the crime. It doesn't mean they can't be rehabilitated.
33:37
Speaker 1: When they're an adult prison, but it does mean that
33:40
Speaker 1: that is not the focus the intent when the juvenile
33:43
Speaker 1: court system was set up. This is what else I know.
33:47
Speaker 1: I've been trying to speak to people there in the jurisdiction.
33:52
Speaker 1: I understand that the boyfriend van Meter was found nearby
33:58
Speaker 1: with a Domino's box, two drinks, and cash lying on
34:04
Speaker 1: the ground beside him. We also know that the victim's
34:10
Speaker 1: weapon was the thirty eight Smith and Wesson, and it
34:13
Speaker 1: was in his pocket, as has already been reported by
34:17
Speaker 1: Alexis terres Chuck. So what does I tell you, Cheryl McCallum,
34:21
Speaker 1: director of the Cold Case Research Institute, boyfriend has found
34:24
Speaker 1: with two drinks, a pizza and money beside him, Well,
34:30
Speaker 1: it tells me he already started the arm robbery. He
34:33
Speaker 1: had a nine millimeter Nancy, I bet you that nine
34:36
Speaker 1: millimeter also comes back stolen, perhaps an in Gronado or
34:40
Speaker 1: a burglary that he all say be tied to the
34:43
Speaker 1: seventeen year old female. She most likely has a juvenile record,
34:47
Speaker 1: she's had some issues with her school. I bet you.
34:50
Speaker 1: I bet there's other victims that'll come forward about behavior
34:53
Speaker 1: that she's displayed. And I bet when it comes to trial.
34:56
Speaker 1: She has zero character. Witnesses, This ain't her for Rodeo.
35:01
Speaker 1: Look at her mug shot. She ain't scared, she ain't crying.
35:05
Speaker 1: She's looking at that camera like whatever. You know what,
35:08
Speaker 1: you're right and you just got Morgan. It has definitely
35:12
Speaker 1: been confirmed that was shot multiple times. This guy lies
35:18
Speaker 1: there and dies outside at an abandoned house. His family
35:23
Speaker 1: left without him at the hands of this she devil
35:27
Speaker 1: at age seventeen. She's evil already at age seventeen. Yeah, hey,
35:35
Speaker 1: you know what, Nancy. This is the thing about it.
35:37
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how far this this evil extends.
35:42
Speaker 1: The neighbors were already aware that this had happened. Remember
35:46
Speaker 1: what we heard. He had engaged in conversation with these people.
35:49
Speaker 1: So not only did they gun this young father down
35:53
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the street, she did, but
35:56
Speaker 1: she did it in front of witnesses. That's how old
36:00
Speaker 1: and callous this is. This is something that is going
36:03
Speaker 1: to weigh in this neighborhood for years and years and years.
36:06
Speaker 1: I think back to a lot of the crime prone
36:09
Speaker 1: areas I used to work cases in Nancy, and I
36:12
Speaker 1: would go back to those streets and I would look
36:14
Speaker 1: and I would say, you know what, I've worked a
36:16
Speaker 1: homicide here three years ago, four years ago. The old
36:19
Speaker 1: guys that were there before me. Yeah, you got to
36:21
Speaker 1: avoid that place. I've had mold, and so this is
36:24
Speaker 1: kind of like this generational thing that goes on that
36:26
Speaker 1: area is going to be cursed and haunted because well,
36:29
Speaker 1: you know what, You're right it will be. But I'm not.
36:32
Speaker 1: So I'm not as worried about the area as I
36:35
Speaker 1: am about this baby, Sebastian, the wife, the stepson. Their
36:41
Speaker 1: lives are forever changed. If you want to donate to
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Speaker 1: You and G E. R. SMA. We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crumbs story signing off, goodbye friend,