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MADDIE MCCANN SUSPECT WALKS FREE · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I cannot believe this. What is wrong with the system,
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Speaker 2: the primary, the soul, the chief suspect in the kidnapp
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Speaker 2: and I believe murder of three year old Mattie McCann
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Speaker 2: has walked free. Oh, the words just stuck in my
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Speaker 2: throat like a lump of coal. Walk free. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: UK police say the forty nine year old suspect remains
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Speaker 2: the primary suspect in the disappearance of little Mattie McCain,
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Speaker 2: but for reasons I don't understand, the suspect, Christian Bruckner,
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Speaker 2: has walked free. I can't believe it. This guy has
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Speaker 2: been the chief suspect since twenty twenty. Dear Lord in heaven,
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Speaker 2: please make this not so okay? Why do I think
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Speaker 2: Christian Bruckner murdered three year old Maddie mccannn This is why.
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Speaker 3: What happened to Maddie joining me an all star panel
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Speaker 3: to make sense of what we know?
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Speaker 1: Right now?
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Speaker 3: High profile lawyer joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction,
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Speaker 3: former prosecutor of felony crimes just like this one now.
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Speaker 1: Defense attorney Darryl Cohen.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Angel Arnold, renowned psychiatrist, joining us, also from the
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Speaker 3: Atlanta jurisdiction, and you can find her at her website.
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Speaker 1: Doctor ANGELA. Arnold, MD dot com.
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Speaker 3: Special Deputy Sheriff Johnson County Sheriff's Office, Executive Director of
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Speaker 3: the Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg Smith.
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Speaker 4: Joining us.
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Speaker 3: First to Charlie Langston, Editor Dailymail dot com. Charlie, thank
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Speaker 3: you for being with us. Charlie, what a long time
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Speaker 3: we've waited for justice and then Maddie McCann disappearance, or
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Speaker 3: should I just call it like it is, Charlie, the
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Speaker 3: Maddie McCann murder, This little girl just three years old
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Speaker 3: when she was abducted.
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Speaker 5: I mean, the incredible interest that remains in this case
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Speaker 5: and in all of its developments just go to show
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Speaker 5: how much of a sensational crime this was. It was
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Speaker 5: devastating to the entire country, to the entire world to
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Speaker 5: see this three year old girl disappear without a trace,
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Speaker 5: and to see her parents year after year begging the authorities,
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Speaker 5: begging the public to help them try and find out
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Speaker 5: what has happened to their child.
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Speaker 3: You're right, Charlie, just seeing the McCanns crying and begging,
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Speaker 3: and of course under the circumstances where little baby man
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Speaker 3: he went missing, they were first suspected, which tore them
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Speaker 3: up all the more guys, who.
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Speaker 1: Is this guy that is now the suspect? Finally he's
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Speaker 1: been in their cross heres for a long time. I
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Speaker 1: don't know what.
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Speaker 3: Has taken them so long to name him an official suspect.
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Speaker 3: Taking listen to oraka three are friends at sky.
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Speaker 6: But Madeleine McCann's parents there's still hope she's alive. But
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Speaker 6: prosecutor hands Christian Vultures says he's leading a murder investigation.
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Speaker 6: Madeline's parents still believe she could be alive. Why do
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Speaker 6: you call it a murder investigation?
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Speaker 7: So so many effects that she's dead, so there's no
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Speaker 7: Muclicut opportunity, opportunity that she is still living.
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Speaker 6: The case against the new suspect, Christian Bee, is circumstantial.
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Speaker 6: He's a convicted child sex abuser. He lived along Portugal's
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Speaker 6: Algarve coast for twelve years. His last home was in
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Speaker 6: prior to Loge. When Madeline vanished. His phone was used
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Speaker 6: outside the mccoun apartment the night she disappeared.
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Speaker 7: With the AMNISTI Laija from Melon mckinn begin Abo half
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Speaker 7: an hours does he taught.
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Speaker 8: Us We don't have Madeline mcken's buddy, but we expect that.
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Speaker 8: She said. We have some evidence that the suspect has
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Speaker 8: done the deed, but we need more information from people
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Speaker 8: places he has lived, so we can target these places
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Speaker 8: especially and search there for Madeline.
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Speaker 3: You know, I find it really interesting out to Greg Smith,
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Speaker 3: us special deputy shriff joining us justin County. You of
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Speaker 3: all people know the power of the ping. Okay, the
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Speaker 3: power of a cell phone ping. Did I just hear
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Speaker 3: Greg Smith that this guy cell phone pin just outside
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Speaker 3: Maddy mccannon's apartment. The it was like an Airbnb where
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Speaker 3: they were staying at this plush resort.
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Speaker 1: They didn't know that before.
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Speaker 9: Now, well it depends on how they did it. I mean,
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Speaker 9: there is a way to get live location data, you know,
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Speaker 9: at the time of the crime. That type of thing,
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Speaker 9: the stuff that I work on all the time. There's
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Speaker 9: also a way to get that data though, from historical data,
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Speaker 9: from what's known as c drs, are called detailed records.
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Speaker 9: You can go back and get the information on which
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Speaker 9: powers a phone contacted and their software you can put
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Speaker 9: that into and it'll map that out and you can
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Speaker 9: actually see where that phone has traveled. So it would
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Speaker 9: be interesting to know when they got that information, how
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Speaker 9: how long ago did they get it? Is it something
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Speaker 9: they just recently said, Hey, we can do this. I mean,
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Speaker 9: you know, there's a lot of questions here a long time, you.
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Speaker 3: Know, Charlie Linkston, I don't understand that. Charlie Langston joining
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Speaker 3: us before with dailymail dot com. She's the editor of
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Speaker 3: Female f E.
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Speaker 1: M A I L. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 3: If he is linked outside where our parents were staying
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Speaker 3: at the time, why has it taken.
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Speaker 1: Them so long?
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Speaker 5: You know, this whole case has just been filled with
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Speaker 5: error after error after error, starting right from the jump
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Speaker 5: when Maddie disappeared. The Portuguese police came under huge criticism
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Speaker 5: at the time because they failed to take any action immediately,
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Speaker 5: which we now believe allowed this suspect, this man to
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Speaker 5: get out of Portugal. As soon as the media fraw
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Speaker 5: began around the Maddie McCann case, this guy slipped out
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Speaker 5: of Portugal and we believe went back to Germany. None
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Speaker 5: of the borders were locked down, none of that stuff
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Speaker 5: was put into place, and that allowed him to walk
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Speaker 5: right out of the country. So to even know that
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Speaker 5: he was there at the time, we would perhaps have
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Speaker 5: identified him as being in Portugal. Nobody knew at the
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Speaker 5: time because he was allowed to flee before anyone could
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Speaker 5: even raise him as a suspect.
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Speaker 3: And at that time, Darryl Cohen, he was already a
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Speaker 3: sex offender. He had been molesting little girls, boggling them,
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Speaker 3: just a long, long history. How he was moving so
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Speaker 3: freely from one country to the next.
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Speaker 4: Nancy, you have to wonder where the police were, where
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Speaker 4: their eyes were, where their head was, and their hands
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Speaker 4: weren't moving the way they should have.
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Speaker 3: Well, obviously I know where their heads were up their
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Speaker 3: rear ends, because this guy was allowed to wander around
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Speaker 3: right there where this child was staying. And there are
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Speaker 3: now other cases a rape of a US citizen in
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Speaker 3: the area, and a sex attack on another elderly lady,
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Speaker 3: another young girl.
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Speaker 1: Who goes missing not too too far.
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Speaker 3: Away around the age and very physically similar to Maddy McCann.
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Speaker 1: And he's connected to all these things that I know.
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Speaker 1: I know, Daryl Cohen that you.
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Speaker 3: Would scream bloody murder at trial if I did this,
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Speaker 3: But don't you think it's quite the coincidence that where
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Speaker 3: the elderly woman is raped, where the US citizen is raped,
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Speaker 3: where the other little girl goes missing, that looks like
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Speaker 3: Maddie McCann. Where Maddie goes missing, he's always in the area,
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Speaker 3: he's always right there, a couple of blocks away. That
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Speaker 3: doesn't bother you.
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Speaker 4: I absolutely admit it is not a coincidence, because I
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Speaker 4: don't believe in coincidences, But I am very concerned about
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Speaker 4: the lack of appropriate police fork and their investigation would
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Speaker 4: dead end until finally and maybe now we'll have justice,
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Speaker 4: just maybe.
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Speaker 3: Guys, I want you to take a listen now to
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Speaker 3: our cut eighteen our friends at Sky News, and this
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Speaker 3: is about the possibility that some of Madeline baby Madda
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Speaker 3: McCann's clothes were found in an area. I don't know
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Speaker 3: if you guys have this, but in a lot of areas,
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Speaker 3: especially densely populated areas, there are patches of ground where
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Speaker 3: people can plant a garden, they can have.
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Speaker 1: A structure there. That is what this.
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Speaker 3: Guy had, this Christian Bruckner, And it is there that
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Speaker 3: we believe there's a possibility that some of Maddie's clothes
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Speaker 3: were buried.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen.
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Speaker 6: Do you still have the same suspect you had three
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Speaker 6: months ago?
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Speaker 7: Yes, we have only one suspect, only Christian me.
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Speaker 6: How much information has you been sent?
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Speaker 7: We got hundreds of hints. Of course, there are some
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Speaker 7: hins which are only rubbish, but there are some hins
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Speaker 7: we are hopeful that can make our investigation more successful.
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Speaker 6: Three months ago, you said you needed good evidence for
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Speaker 6: an evidence. Have you found that yet?
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Speaker 7: We have no forensic evidence. But it's not necessary to
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Speaker 7: have forensic evidence.
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Speaker 8: To charge our suspect.
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Speaker 7: But we need some more evidence, maybe a witness, maybe
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Speaker 7: a photo or a video.
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Speaker 6: I asked the prosecutor what evidence he has that makes
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Speaker 6: him certain that Madeline is dead. He won't say, but
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Speaker 6: he is aware of rumors.
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Speaker 7: Someone told me that we have found the clothes of Maddie.
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Speaker 6: He has the pajamas.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, but it's not true.
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Speaker 7: If we found something like that, it would be.
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Speaker 2: Great crime stories. With Natty Grace, the primary suspect in
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Speaker 2: the kidnap and murder little Maddie McCann, her disappear at
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Speaker 2: sparking a world wide search, was free. What in the world,
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Speaker 2: why would he be allowed to walk free. As you know,
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Speaker 2: little Maddie goes missing on vacation with her family and
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Speaker 2: Priya Deluze. It sparked a frantic search across the world.
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Speaker 2: She's never been found.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen now our cut nineteen our friends at
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Speaker 3: Inside Edition.
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Speaker 10: Peter van Sentd questioned prosecutor Hans Christian Vaulters about the investigation.
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Speaker 7: We have strong evidence that Christian being killed Maddie mckenn.
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Speaker 11: But you don't have a body, correct, there's nobody.
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Speaker 7: No, we have no forensic evidence.
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Speaker 1: Then how can you be so certain we have out
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Speaker 1: the evidence.
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Speaker 12: And may I speculate that that evidence may include photographs
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Speaker 12: or video.
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Speaker 4: Of Mattie McCann.
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Speaker 7: Hugh May's Regulated.
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Speaker 10: Forty eight Hours reports that a search of an abandoned
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Speaker 10: warehouse that once belonged to the suspect turned up USB
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Speaker 10: drives that contain pictures and videos of child abuse. The
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Speaker 10: prosecutor wouldn't confirm if images of Madeline were on the drives.
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Speaker 3: Let me go out to doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists
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Speaker 3: joining us, Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 1: It's one thing to molest a child, it's another thing
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Speaker 1: to video it. Because if in.
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Speaker 3: Fact Bruckner had video or photos of Maddie McCann, he
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Speaker 3: would have to have made them himself, because at that
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Speaker 3: time Maddie.
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Speaker 1: Was not public.
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Speaker 3: There were not pictures and video of her online. He
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Speaker 3: would have to have made it, which means it would
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Speaker 3: have been most likely video of him raping or torturing
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Speaker 3: this three year old little girl.
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Speaker 11: Well, and the horrific thing is if you video something
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Speaker 11: so that you can watch it over and over again
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Speaker 11: because you get some sort of thrill out of doing
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Speaker 11: it and watching it over again, it also means that
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Speaker 11: this had some planning on his part.
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Speaker 6: Doesn't it.
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Speaker 11: The thing that just gets me is that asking if
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Speaker 11: there's still a lot, if she's still up, maybe if
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Speaker 11: they had have done their work in the beginning, if
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Speaker 11: she was still alive, they could have found her.
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Speaker 4: Then.
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Speaker 11: I don't know why they think that all of a sudden,
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Speaker 11: she's going to be still alive fifteen years later. How
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Speaker 11: are they ever going to find her?
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know that anyone has said that she
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Speaker 1: is still alive.
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Speaker 11: And that's not his mo.
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Speaker 4: Apparently he's you know, he.
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Speaker 11: If he did it, he raped her, he abused her,
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Speaker 11: he filmed it, And because of all the bumbling around
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Speaker 11: in this in this in the police in this country.
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Speaker 11: He's gotten away with it for this long.
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Speaker 3: It's horrible what happened the night that this little girl
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Speaker 3: seemingly vanishes into thin air while on vacation with her family.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at the.
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Speaker 13: Sky A three year old British girl has gone missing
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Speaker 13: in the Algave in Portugual. Of course we can speak
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Speaker 13: now to Dan Mason, who's a journalist who works in
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Speaker 13: that area. Dan, thanks for johinning us on Sky News
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Speaker 13: Sunrise this morning. What are the details that you've gleaned.
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Speaker 12: So far, Tullia. All I basically know is that the
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Speaker 12: child was obviously saying a mark Corner establishment and was
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Speaker 12: reported missing around pm last night. She's three years old
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Speaker 12: and she's still the name of Madeline or Maddie for
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Speaker 12: her and most of the people within the area were
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Speaker 12: searching through to about four o'clock in the morning yesterday,
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Speaker 12: obviously through hedges and down the beach etc. To novelle
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Speaker 12: and I've just been down this morning to the club
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Speaker 12: again to see if at any more. News in the
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Speaker 12: situation is basically the same.
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Speaker 3: Straight out to Charlie Lengthy joining us on Dailymail dot com. Charliegain,
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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Exactly what happened surrounding her disappearance.
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Speaker 5: So, the disappearance happened while Maddie's parents and their friends
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Speaker 5: were out at a restaurant in Portugal. They were dining
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Speaker 5: at a place about one hundred and eighty feet from
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Speaker 5: where they were staying. Throughout the night, the parents went
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Speaker 5: back checked on the children, and at ten PM, Kate
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Speaker 5: went back Maddie's mum to find that Maddie had disappeared
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Speaker 5: from her bed. Obviously, as any mother would, she flew
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Speaker 5: into a blind panic, alerted as many people as she
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Speaker 5: possibly could. They then spent the entire night hunting for Maddie,
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Speaker 5: but couldn't find her anywhere. Now, Portuguese authorities did not
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Speaker 5: issue They didn't even issue a description of Maddie until
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Speaker 5: around twenty four hours after she had disappeared. They didn't
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Speaker 5: lock down any kind of entrance or exit from the
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Speaker 5: town where the family was staying, And it really was
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Speaker 5: just a horrific comedy of errors that continued right up
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Speaker 5: until the point when Maddie's parents, Kate and Jerry, were
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Speaker 5: named as official suspects. Because Portuguese police accused them of
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Speaker 5: killing their daughter in some tragic accident in the and
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Speaker 5: then trying to cover it up. So years later we
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Speaker 5: have a man being named as an official suspect for
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Speaker 5: the very first time since Mattie's own parents were accused
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Speaker 5: of killing that child.
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Speaker 3: I think that there was a lot of public outrage
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Speaker 3: that the parents left her and her siblings in the
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Speaker 3: hotel room while they went to have dinner.
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Speaker 1: True it was only one hundred feet away.
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Speaker 3: True they had nothing to do with her disappearance, but
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Speaker 3: still it was a real witch burning.
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Speaker 4: Daryl Cohen, go after the people who were closest to
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Speaker 4: what appears to be a victim, easier than going after
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Speaker 4: the real investigation, Easier than saying, don't have a suspect.
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Speaker 4: Suspects yet, we're looking carefully, Easier than looking at trouging
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Speaker 4: this net and finding this guy who was a convicted
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Speaker 4: child molester. Who finding this guy who went after a
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Speaker 4: girl that looked like that. I mean, this is outrageous.
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Speaker 3: You know another thing about it? To you, Greg Smith,
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Speaker 3: I agree with Daryl Cohen. The fact that they focused
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Speaker 3: so much on the parents at the get go really
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Speaker 3: delayed the search for Maddie's abductor.
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Speaker 1: And another thing, Greg Smith. Greg, the very first thing
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Speaker 1: when a woman or.
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Speaker 3: A child goes missing, you look for sex predators in
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Speaker 3: the area and who is in the area unmonitored Christian Bruckner,
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Speaker 3: they did nothing.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's standard procedure, Nancy, you immediately checked. I mean,
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Speaker 9: here in Kansas we have the sex svender registry, so
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Speaker 9: that was done. In Kelsey's case, that was one of
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Speaker 9: the first things that was done. We'll see who's in
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Speaker 9: the area, who could have been in the area, interview them,
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Speaker 9: talk to them. And while in a lot of these
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Speaker 9: cases it turns out that there's a family member involved there,
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Speaker 9: and there's a tendency for police to focus on that.
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Speaker 9: You've got to be aware of the big picture and
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Speaker 9: be open minded and figure out that you know, they
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Speaker 9: may not be the suspect, and you can't just hone
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Speaker 9: in with a preconceived notion that this is what you've got. So, yeah,
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Speaker 9: that's that's problematic.
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Speaker 1: And not only that, do you Trollie Langston.
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Speaker 3: It's my understanding that this announcement comes nearly fifteen years
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Speaker 3: to the day that Maddie goes missing.
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Speaker 1: Do you find that odd at all? Fifteen years to
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Speaker 1: the day.
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Speaker 5: It's actually not odd because Portugal has a fifteen year
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Speaker 5: statute of limitation on crimes that would call for a
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Speaker 5: ten plus year sentence. So I think the timing is
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Speaker 5: actually in no way coincidental or strange. I think the
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Speaker 5: timing is very, very purposeful because Portuguese authorities know that
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Speaker 5: if they don't do something right here, right now, then
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Speaker 5: it may well be too late to ever punish whoever
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Speaker 5: perpetrated this horrific crime and to ever find any kind
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Speaker 5: of justice or at least answers for Kate and Jerry McCann.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're right. What Charlie Langston is telling you is
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Speaker 1: absolutely correct.
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Speaker 3: I think that this is just the authorities trying to
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Speaker 3: save their own skin in this case.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Araka twenty seven. Our friend Simon.
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Speaker 14: Jens Madeline went missing from a holiday apartment on the
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Speaker 14: third of May two thousand and seven while her parents
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Speaker 14: were having dinner at a nearby restaurant. In July twenty thirteen,
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Speaker 14: the met Police opened its own investigation, saying it had
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Speaker 14: new evidence and new witnesses, and it was in June
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Speaker 14: twenty twenty that German police first revealed they had a suspect.
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Speaker 14: There have been searches in Portugal, but no breakthrough. In
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Speaker 14: less than two weeks, a statute of limitations would take effect,
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Speaker 14: meaning under Portuguese law it would no longer be possible
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Speaker 14: to make someone a person of interest. But it's understood
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Speaker 14: this latest development is driven not by timing, but by
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Speaker 14: strong indications that a crime has taken place. There have
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Speaker 14: been many false dawns in the investigations into what happened.
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Speaker 14: The police in Germany had previously worn their inquiry, like
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Speaker 14: the others, could end without a charge, but Madeline's parents
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Speaker 14: have always said they need to know what happened so
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Speaker 14: they can find peace.
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Speaker 3: So bottom line is now or never, and the Portuguese
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Speaker 3: authorities are still, in my opinion, sitting on their thumb.
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Speaker 3: They botched the case at the get go, and now
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Speaker 3: the only way they may be able to prosecute this
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Speaker 3: three year old little girl's killer is if they somehow
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Speaker 3: produce a witness.
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Speaker 1: They've blurted out publicly that they don't have any forensic
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Speaker 1: evidence that hurt the case. But now I'm.
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Speaker 3: Understanding Charlie Langston is joining us from dallymail dot com
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Speaker 3: that they are claiming.
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Speaker 1: They've got a witness.
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Speaker 5: Now supposedly, yes, they are saying that they have a
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Speaker 5: witness who may be able to come forward and link
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Speaker 5: Christian B. Christian Bruckner to the crime. But I should
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Speaker 5: also point out that a TV special is due to
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Speaker 5: air in which four witnesses are understood to be coming
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Speaker 5: forward to corroborate an alibi for Christian B, which would
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Speaker 5: once again, potentially, you know, completely ruin this whole case
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Speaker 5: before it's even really got off the ground. So it
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Speaker 5: will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow when these
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Speaker 5: four people who are named, who supposedly have no connection
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Speaker 5: to Christian B whatsoever, no reason to defend him, come
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Speaker 5: forward and corroborate whatever alibi it is that he plans
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Speaker 5: to offer.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, Charlie Langston, just burn that bridge
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Speaker 3: when I get there. Because I've had a lot of
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Speaker 3: cases where the defense claims.
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Speaker 1: I've got an eyewitness to say fill.
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Speaker 3: In the blank, and you know what I say to
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Speaker 3: that b s, I'll stand on my own witnesses, because
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Speaker 3: very often I've had witnesses come on for the defense.
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Speaker 3: I remember one, very notably Darryl Cohen, that came on
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Speaker 3: trying to tell me he saw what he saw the
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Speaker 3: night of a murderer. I guess the defense did not
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Speaker 3: count on me going to the scene and pointing out
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Speaker 3: that that point of view was absolutely impossible because there's
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Speaker 3: a thick hedge of bushes about six feet tall between
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Speaker 3: the eyewitness and the murder. Impossible unless he flew over
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Speaker 3: the hedge and looked down.
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Speaker 1: To see the murder.
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Speaker 3: So I don't believe any eyewitness until they're tested by
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Speaker 3: cross examination.
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Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, Darryl.
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Speaker 3: And the black and white letter of the law, eyewitnesses
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Speaker 3: can be tested as to their vision, the lighting, the
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Speaker 3: distance at which they saw what they claimed to have seen.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's laid out in black and white how
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Speaker 3: a so called eyewitness can be cross examined.
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Speaker 1: So I'd like to get a.
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Speaker 3: Hold of those eyewitnesses myself and see what's left of
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Speaker 3: them after I finish.
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Speaker 4: I'd like to know what these eyewitnesses have to say.
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Speaker 4: I would like to be able to cross examine them.
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Speaker 4: I'm with you, but let's assume their testimony is impeccable.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't stop the police, it doesn't stop the prosecutor
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Speaker 4: the courts from trying this guy. And if the statue
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Speaker 4: of limitations is running out. I would rather have some
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Speaker 4: prosecutoral time incarceration than nothing at all. And if somehow
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Speaker 4: he does this again, we'll get him.
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Speaker 1: Explain what you're talking about.
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Speaker 4: Him and I both know. There are times we know
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Speaker 4: a person is guilty as a prosecutor, we don't have
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Speaker 4: enough evidence, and the statute of limitations is running And
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Speaker 4: in our country we wouldn't have to worry about a
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Speaker 4: murder statue limitations. It doesn't exist, but there in Portugal
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Speaker 4: it apparently does. So they can arrest him, they can
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Speaker 4: try him and keep him incarcerated and keep the case
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Speaker 4: running as long as possible, and if he is acquitted,
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Speaker 4: so be it. But he's spent time in jail, in prison,
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Speaker 4: and also his name, his likeness, his face is all
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Speaker 4: over the media, all over the press, and that's all
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Speaker 4: he has to do is breathe again, and they've got
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Speaker 4: him for something else. Sometimes you have to get even
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Speaker 4: more than getting him the way you really want to.
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Speaker 3: Let me just say, officially, I don't know what you're
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Speaker 3: talking about. Charlie Langston joining us from dailymail dot com.
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Speaker 3: This guy is a child sex predator? What is his record?
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Speaker 1: Why has he been labeled already a child.
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Speaker 3: Six predator at the time he was skulking around Maddy
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Speaker 3: McCann's airbnb.
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Speaker 5: I mean this man is not just a child sex predator.
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Speaker 5: He I mean he was described by a woman he
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Speaker 5: used to be in a relationship with as a human pig.
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Speaker 5: He has perpetrated so many sex crimes against children, against
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Speaker 5: women ranging in ages from as you said, a seventy
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Speaker 5: two year old American citizen who he has understood to
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Speaker 5: have raped in Portugal in two thousand and five. Now,
25:32
Speaker 5: he was not convicted of that crime until twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 1: Seven year jailsen.
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Speaker 3: Hold On, hold on, you know what, Charlie, you know
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Speaker 3: the fact so well listening to us like drinking from
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Speaker 3: the fire, hydshant is too much too fast.
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Speaker 1: Lets did you hear what Charlie likeson just said.
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Speaker 3: This guy, Christian Brickner serving a seven year sentence on
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Speaker 3: a two thousand and five rate of an elderly woman
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Speaker 3: in Portugal, same place is where Maddie was stolen. That's
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Speaker 3: a seven year sentence and it started the event happened
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and five. So you've got that, then
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Speaker 3: you've got him being connected to the rape of an
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Speaker 3: Irish tour represented in two thousand and four, exposing himself
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Speaker 3: to children on a playground.
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Speaker 1: But there's another little.
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Speaker 3: Girl where he was near her at the time she
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Speaker 3: goes missing, and she looks so much like Maddie what
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Speaker 3: about that case?
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Speaker 5: So much so that she was actually nicknamed German Maddie
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Speaker 5: in the media. This was in twenty sixteen, and this
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Speaker 5: is actually the first case that made people connect Christian
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Speaker 5: Bruckner to the Maddie McCann case, because the similarities between
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Speaker 5: the two were so astounding that it didn't seem plausible
26:50
Speaker 5: that he couldn't have been connected to the Madeline McCann case.
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Speaker 5: But it's not until six years later that we're actually
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Speaker 5: hearing for the very first time that he's been named
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Speaker 5: a suspect.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie, Hold the thought.
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Speaker 3: Hold the thought, because I want to hear it, but
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Speaker 3: I want to analyze what you just said, Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 3: With me is renowned psychiatrist, doctor Angela Arnold. Doctor Angie,
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Speaker 3: I remember a case. You might remember it too, Darryl Cohen.
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Speaker 3: It's the case I tried this guy's serial killer. I
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Speaker 3: got him on one and his victim will forever be
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Speaker 3: a Jane Doe.
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Speaker 1: She has never been identified. That's really hard to prove
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Speaker 1: that kind of case because you can't if you don't
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Speaker 1: know the victim. You don't know who they hung out with,
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Speaker 1: where they're from, who was their last boyfriend.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, she's found strangled, rape out in a field. Long
27:44
Speaker 3: story short. I got a bead on the purp, so
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Speaker 3: I started looking for people that knew the perp. I
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Speaker 3: found his girlfriend, the mother of his child, who had
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Speaker 3: kicked him out for trying to strangle her. Found another
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Speaker 3: woman he tried to strangle in the Fulton No, she
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Speaker 3: was in the Gwnett County jail.
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Speaker 4: Darryl.
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Speaker 3: I had a reconstructionist draw the picture of what the
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Speaker 3: dead victim would have looked like in life.
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Speaker 1: Guess who she looked like?
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Speaker 3: Almost identically, they looked like twins his girlfriend that had
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Speaker 3: rejected him and thrown him out of the house. And
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Speaker 3: I put those two pictures, those two sketches, up in
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Speaker 3: front of the jury and argued, who would have killed
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Speaker 3: this woman other than the man who was rejected by
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Speaker 3: this woman?
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Speaker 1: Did you hear what.
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Speaker 3: Charlie Langston just said that German Mattie looks just like
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Speaker 3: Mattie McCann dictor Angie, what.
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Speaker 11: About it, Dancy. The fact of the matter is, I
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Speaker 11: don't understand why all of this information is being ignored
28:57
Speaker 11: because we have known for a very long time that, unfortunately,
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Speaker 11: sexual predators do not change their stripes, and they will
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Speaker 11: continue and continue their behavior until they are stopped, which
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Speaker 11: is why in the United States we have sexual predator
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Speaker 11: list that we put them on. Nancy. They are they
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Speaker 11: are incapable of being rehabilitated.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Angie.
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Speaker 3: Everything you just said is correct, but that is not
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Speaker 3: responsive to the question I asked. I asked you about
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Speaker 3: the physical similarities in victims.
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Speaker 1: Why the perpetrators do.
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Speaker 11: That, because they're playing out their fantasy, whatever it is,
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Speaker 11: they're playing it out through another person that looks just
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Speaker 11: like that person's It's right out there, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: It's it's simple.
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Speaker 11: We're not looking for a zebra. They are acting it
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Speaker 11: out on someone who looks just like the other person.
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Speaker 11: They're acting out that that violent fantasy that they.
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Speaker 1: Have crime stories with. Nancy Grace, I'm in shock. I
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Speaker 1: am in shock.
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Speaker 2: The Mattie McCann chief suspect Christian Bruckner celebrates his release
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Speaker 2: from prison with a burger and a cigarette. It's not
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Speaker 2: known where he was headed after he went to McDonald's,
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Speaker 2: but I would hide my children under the bed if
30:34
Speaker 2: I lived in that jurisdiction. Yes, Bruckner celebrated with a
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Speaker 2: fast food breakfast of chicken nuggets and a McDonald's burger
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Speaker 2: after being smuggled out of jail near Hanover. Hidden in
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Speaker 2: the back of his lawyer's car. He somehow managed me
30:54
Speaker 2: to avoid being filmed or even photographed by the paparazzi
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Speaker 2: who had been waiting for several days. But a footog
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Speaker 2: did catch him as he went into a McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: Now catch this.
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Speaker 2: Many of the outlets are calling him Christian b b
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Speaker 2: as in brother as in Bruckner. There he cannot be
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Speaker 2: fully identified under German privacy laws. Really, Maddie got no privacy.
31:24
Speaker 2: Mattie's dead. He stood outside of McDonald's, smoked cigarette before
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Speaker 2: eating his food, and dressed sportingly in a lilac shirt,
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Speaker 2: beige pants, and tennis shoes. He didn't seem to have
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Speaker 2: a care in the world. He left the restaurant and
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Speaker 2: police blocked the street for him to allow him to
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Speaker 2: leave without interference. He was driven off in a black
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Speaker 2: OUTI wow according to prosecutors, they claimed to have quote
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Speaker 2: almost enough evidence to charge him in Maddie's disappearance, but
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Speaker 2: not quite enough really, after all this time, according to
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Speaker 2: the prosecutor, evidence against Brookner in the case is circumstantial.
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Speaker 2: His cell phone nearby her apartment at the time she vanished.
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Speaker 2: He's a convicted child six abuser. He allegedly confessed to
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Speaker 2: a friend and had re registered his car the day after. Hmmm,
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Speaker 2: that sounds pretty good to me.
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Speaker 3: The fingerprint crime like another little girl the same age,
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Speaker 3: with strikingly similar physical attributes, stolen in the same way,
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Speaker 3: raped and murdered that way. At least in this country,
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Speaker 3: that evidence can come in. Normally, under the constitution, a
32:51
Speaker 3: defendant cannot have past crimes or bad acts come before
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Speaker 3: a jury because they are to be judged on on
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Speaker 3: their reputation or they're pastor on that particular case.
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Speaker 1: But when the cases are so similar, they are allowed explain.
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Speaker 4: When they are similar transactions, the girls look alike, the
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Speaker 4: crime is probably similar, if not the same, then you
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Speaker 4: can in this country, at least you can enter that
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Speaker 4: into evidence and have the triers of fact, the judge,
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Speaker 4: the jury listen to it, and pay attention to it
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Speaker 4: because it is exactly the same. You just transpose one
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Speaker 4: person for another, but the circumstances are the same, so
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Speaker 4: that is absolutely admissible here. I cannot speak for Portugal.
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Speaker 1: I am sorry, Charlie Langston.
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Speaker 3: It has been reported that prosecutors are quote one hundred
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Speaker 3: percent sure that Christian Bruckner is the part that took Maddie.
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Speaker 1: Why now, and what do you think the evidence is?
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Speaker 5: I mean, I think the evidence is all constantial in
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Speaker 5: times of he is just a truly horrendous man who
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Speaker 5: has perpetrated crime after crime after crime against women and children.
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Speaker 5: He has a history of perpetrating crimes exactly like that
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Speaker 5: one in the Maddie McCann case. Now, we said earlier
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Speaker 5: it wasn't his mo typically to you know, murder one
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Speaker 5: of his victims. However, I think it's important to remember
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Speaker 5: the media fraw around this case was so extraordinary that
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Speaker 5: there would have been no way for someone to perpetrate
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Speaker 5: this crime and not be charged with it. Had she
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Speaker 5: returned to her parents, had she been found, had the
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Speaker 5: police managed to you know, track her down in one
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Speaker 5: way or another. There's no way that the person who
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Speaker 5: committed this crime wouldn't have been found. So I think tragically.
34:54
Speaker 5: While I understand how important it was to her parents
34:57
Speaker 5: to call attention to this case, I think the enormous
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Speaker 5: public interest in it may well have sealed Maddie's death.
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Speaker 5: And that, to me is the most horrendous thing about this.
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Speaker 5: It took the police so long to begin properly investigating
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Speaker 5: this case that Maddy could have survived had they actually
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Speaker 5: pulled their thoughts up and gotten on with things in
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Speaker 5: the you know, from the get go.
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Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying if she has still been alive,
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Speaker 3: but Greg Smith joining us a special Deputy sheriff, the
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Speaker 3: reality is when children are taken at this age, typically
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Speaker 3: they are killed within the first seventy six hours.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, Nancy, that's uh. I mean, that's the modus
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Speaker 9: operandi for young children, you know. And and I don't
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Speaker 9: know that media attention is a bad thing. Maybe maybe
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Speaker 9: a double edged sword, but Kelsea's case had a heck
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Speaker 9: of a lot of media attention. We were on every
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Speaker 9: news outlet in the United States and even international. Uh.
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Speaker 9: And while Kelsey didn't come home alive, she came home.
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Speaker 9: We found her.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut twenty eight, our friend
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Speaker 1: Alison Roberts.
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Speaker 15: Yesterday they issued a statement saying that on Wednesday an
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Speaker 15: individual had been named as an official suspect. That was
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Speaker 15: an international request from Portugal to the German authorities to
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Speaker 15: inform that person of interest that.
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Speaker 1: They had been made an official suspect.
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Speaker 15: As your previous interviewees said, this is always a significant
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Speaker 15: step because it means effectively that someone is being or
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Speaker 15: will soon be questioned under caution. That's the same questions
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Speaker 15: maybe that could incriminate them, which gives them the right
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Speaker 15: not to answer, of course, So it's actually a status
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Speaker 15: to protect that individual. But it is always significant as
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Speaker 15: it's a necessary prelude to charges at some point, although
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Speaker 15: there is no sign of that just yet, no sign.
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Speaker 3: Of official charges after he has been named a suspect.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean, Charlie.
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Speaker 3: He has been named an official suspect, so why won't
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Speaker 3: charges naturally follow?
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Speaker 5: Well, what I think is the next most obvious step
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Speaker 5: is that he will be extradited from Germany to Portugal,
37:08
Speaker 5: and that is when charges may well be brought against him.
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Speaker 5: But right now I think what is going on behind
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Speaker 5: the scenes is that Portuguese authorities in conjunction with German
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Speaker 5: authorities are scrambling to try and get as much evidence
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Speaker 5: as humanly possible, to try and get some witnesses who
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Speaker 5: will come forward and at least say I saw him
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Speaker 5: at this place, I saw him here. I know that
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Speaker 5: he is a sex offender, whatever it may be. And
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Speaker 5: right now I think the most important thing is that
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Speaker 5: he has been named as a suspect again, the first
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Speaker 5: official suspect in fifteen years, which marks at least a
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Speaker 5: step forward in a case that has been dragging on
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Speaker 5: for more than a decade.
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Speaker 3: Now, Charlie, were Maddy's parents ever named official suspects.
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Speaker 5: Yes, they were named as official persons of interest way
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Speaker 5: back in two thousand and seven, and interestingly, at the
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Speaker 5: time they had a huge amount of public criticism aimed
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Speaker 5: at them. They were accused of neglect. Portuguese authorities suspected
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Speaker 5: that Madeleine had died in a tragic accident in the
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Speaker 5: apartment that her parents had then tried to cover up.
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Speaker 5: Now they stopped being official suspects in two thousand and eight,
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Speaker 5: when Portuguese authorities dropped the case completely because there was
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Speaker 5: a lack of evidence. Ever since then, not a single
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Speaker 5: official suspect has been named until now.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Araka twenty nine our friend Martin Brandt.
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Speaker 6: It's hardly been a secret. The German drifter has been
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Speaker 6: the main suspect in the Madeline McCann case for three
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Speaker 6: years or more, but now it's official. Christian B is
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Speaker 6: suspected of abducting and killing Madeline. German prosecutors are leading
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Speaker 6: the investigation, but haven't charged him. Jish girl was three
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Speaker 6: when she vanished from the family's holiday apartment in Portugal
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Speaker 6: in two thousand and seven, fifteen years ago. This week,
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Speaker 6: the suspect had visitors to the German prison where he's
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Speaker 6: serving a rape sentence. He was told that Portuguese prosecutors
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Speaker 6: had made him an arguido, a formal suspect. He was
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Speaker 6: questioned for the first time but refused to answer that it's.
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Speaker 3: Rlie Langston being named a formal suspect there in that jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: That's the first time cops could question him.
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Speaker 5: Yes, the first time, and he remained entirely silent throughout.
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Speaker 5: He refused to answer a single question. But interestingly, a
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Speaker 5: woman that he was in a relationship with previously, she
39:47
Speaker 5: came forward last week and she said that he told
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Speaker 5: her in twenty thirteen, I know what happened to little Maddie.
39:56
Speaker 5: She also suggested that he may have been the abductor,
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Speaker 5: the abuser, and that he may have passed Maddie off
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Speaker 5: to someone else. So there are still an extraordinary number
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Speaker 5: of questions surrounding this case. However, the mere fact that
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Speaker 5: he's been named as an official suspect. I really can't
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Speaker 5: overstate what a key step forward that is in this case,
40:19
Speaker 5: especially given that he's only the third person when you
40:23
Speaker 5: look at Kate and Jerry McCann, only the third official
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Speaker 5: suspect to ever be named by Portuguese authorities.
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Speaker 2: Let me remind everyone that Bruckner has multiple convictions for
40:34
Speaker 2: sex offenses, including against children, and a really long record
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Speaker 2: of petty crimes. He's just completed a seven year prison
40:43
Speaker 2: sentence for raping a seventy two year old American woman
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Speaker 2: who was in Portugal. While prosecutors in the Maddie McCann
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Speaker 2: disappearance case claim they did not have quite enough evidence
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Speaker 2: to win at trial, many disagree this Taking the forefront.
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Speaker 2: As Christian Bruckner walks free, he could be gone out
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Speaker 2: of the jurisdiction living in hiding for the rest of
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Speaker 2: his life. In no time will there ever be a
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Speaker 2: prosecution in the kidnap and murder of three year old
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Speaker 2: Mattie McCann.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off good night friend,