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and enjoy this episode. Hello, and welcome to another
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Today's guest is a property entrepreneur, and mentor, and
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investor, and founder of property wealth education.
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Property, wealth. Sorry, I think that's the name
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of the company. Is that right property wealth.
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Yep. Well it's it's a combination of
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many other companies so property welfare state property of
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education and I'd say yeah, that's because I'm just looking
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over my notes because actually, yeah, so sorry, welcome to the
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show. Daniel, how you doing?
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I'm doing well, I'm doing was great too.
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Great to connect and great to finally get to meet you in
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person. Absolutely.
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Yeah. And for our listeners who might
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not be aware. So basically I was due to have
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done you on the show a couple of months ago or something and I
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think there was a miscommunication or something
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there and so I had all these notes written down from like
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ages ago and I'm sort of just going through and refreshing my
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memory and everything and I was looking at this and I was like
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hang on what's the name of the company but let's let's dive
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straight into that. That company.
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So, it's his property investment.
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Is that what you're dealing with?
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Yes. So I'm into property investment
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and investing as well. And also I educate and motivate
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individuals to you to get started.
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And I also help individuals as got money to kind of generate
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higher return on their Investments by investing into
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our business as well. So I'll do a couple of multiple
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things in the property industry, interesting year because it
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seems to be Yeah, the stating the obvious but it's a lot of
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different wings that you're sort of going for with here.
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So from what I understand about your career background, its kind
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of you built up initially, through working through sort of
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regular estate agents. And then you got to like
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obviously setting up your own thing.
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And now, as you say it's a revolving into more like I
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suppose consultancy. I guess is probably the best of
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the best way of putting it. Well actually you've got quite
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you got the opposite side so I had no sort of property
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experience. I had no sort of a background in
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letting agents at all a couple of years ago.
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I used, I had a successful quite a really successful business in
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Africa and Nigeria, I was originally born and raised in
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Nigeria. I relocated to the UK in search
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of a Greener. Pasture to make my life better
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that was in 2004 by 2012. It wasn't really happening for
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me the way I wanted it to happen.
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So, I sold the small sort of businesses that I had in the UK
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and relocated back to Nigeria in 2012.
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All right. State in Nigeria for 2012, built
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a really good business in the oil and gas sector by
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transporting petroleum products to the end user.
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And that really went well and Lively got better about the fact
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that I had my wife and my kids in the UK, right?
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I miss them really much and I wanted to always come back to
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you can once you know the business and I was quite built
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really well but that didn't that didn't happen in terms of me
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relocating because of the family of quite quickly.
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But what did happen was? I suffered a major Or setback, I
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lost some money manager and business over 150,000 pounds in
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a single month and my business really crumpled and I will catch
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it by back into the UK, and I have never been in a job 925
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before you do any sort of background like that and
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staying, okay. And I lost over 150,000 pounds,
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I said, and I've been located about to the UK because I've
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never had a job and never been in employment before I was on
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employable. So I started To look for.
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What are the options that I can? Obviously use now to sustain my
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personal economy to obviously, make sure the wife, the kids
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have been looked after and I jumped, I started, you know, by
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becoming a delivery driver from with your dough.
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And then I after that, I signed up with the Uber and I started,
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I became a taxi driver by freelancing with booba where I
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was driving over 100 hours a week.
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So let's back up a little bit because obviously we've got
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quite a lot of things that you sort of laid out there and I
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guess I want to kind of because I like to go in detail on these
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podcast. I like to kind of, really get
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too deep into the facts, into the nitty-gritty, with my guests
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and sort of just build up a profile.
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So basically, let's take it back to why you initially chose to
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come to the UK from Nigeria. Because now a lot of people will
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be like, okay, well, clearly you're just seeking greener
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pastures different opportunities.
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The UK is known as one of those countries that has a lot of
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opportunities, so there That kind of obvious angle to it, but
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you know, I've lived abroad as well other than other countries
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so I know how difficult it is. When you go to a country that's
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different from your Homeland, it's kind of, I don't know, I
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think it's an important experience and I think that in
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many ways, it teaches you to appreciate your own sort of, I
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suppose. What you've got in your, in your
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home country, you know mean, but there's there's naturally going
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to be the cut, the comparison elements.
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So talk us through like How you came to that decision of
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initially, moving to the UK, like, well, what was the main
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thing that sort of stood out and they do you think, do you know
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what I need to leave? Well, it's quite a very good
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question actually. And I really love the we've
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built it up, you know, that question.
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So I went to, I went to UNI in Nigeria.
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So I think towards the second year of my, you know, being in
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the university in Nigeria, the the Nigerian economy.
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It's it's a, it's quite a, very vast, massive economy with 300
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million people the Between the poor and the rich is actually
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different. The average Nigerian leaves less
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than a dollar a day, literally less than a pound a day average
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Nigerian leave on a dollar a day and this in Nigeria, you know,
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it's yes a lot of Nigerians go out there.
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Get vessel degrees certificates and be want to do more and be
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more. But, you know, because the
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government hasn't provided that facility that sort of Ian for
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anyone to really, really go out there to strive, you know, make
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it in Nigeria, it's not as easy, but they say, if you can make
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any Nigeria, can make it anywhere in the world.
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You know, towards the second year of me, graduating from
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University, I just wanted a better life.
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I really wanted to, to, to, to grow to not just be intimidated
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by my current Society. You know, not have any Assurance
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to live a better life, you know. In Nigeria night up till date.
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We have at least 60% of our roads are still very Outer Edge.
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Roads basically no towels on them you know.
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And we still we still currently up to today.
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We still suffer with electricity as you know in England you know
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blackout you don't have you don't have you don't have power
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cords. So we still have we still have
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that problem in Nigeria? So that just goes to tell you
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where I'm coming from. So I just wanted to be in a
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place where the He's wax, you know where by you know,
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corruption is not really much of a problem.
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Most government officials in Nigeria.
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I really, really well corrupted, you know, very corrupt, the
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police force, you know. Yeah, Rob as I was going to ask,
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like, how does it affect like your average person?
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Because obviously we've heard the stories, you know, in the
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news obviously about how corruption is so prevalent in
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the government of Nigeria and not.
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Nigeria, other countries in general, you know, even the UK
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government, there's corruption that.
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But like, in some countries, it's more prevalent than others.
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So like, but the reality is that like what happens at the top
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doesn't always necessarily affect that the common sort of
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everyday person. So like, how would that affect
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you? You mentioned the police.
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Just then. So, like, give me some examples
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of like, how that would affect your life and how it sort of
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make it difficult or whatever, you know, just like this, this
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is sometimes. This is what I laugh when I see,
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you know, No, sometimes when I see what happens in the west,
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and I see what happened back home in Africa.
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And I compare both, and I say, you know what, no, word of a
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lie, if I was in Nigeria, if a policeman was to beat me up in
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America, the Nigerian police would not do the same.
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Absolutely send. In fact that I jump police can
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actually because being hurt is gone if you are actually on the
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wrong without that case, even going to court and you being
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killed straight away by the police, and nothing is going to
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happen to the police officer. And that's the truth.
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You know, obviously in America where, for example, The police
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can kill someone or something happens.
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Then the case goes to court, he goes to trial.
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They try to understand what happens.
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It's almost impossible for that to happen in Nigeria.
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As of today, this is 2021, you know, and growing up back in
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Nigeria, where I was in university.
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Maybe if I've got 45 friends of in my car and we're driving to
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the nightclub, we are actually a prime suspect of a crime.
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The moment you have four people five people in your car and
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you're driving to a nightclub at a very deadly hour of the night
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you actually are Crime, suspect, you know, except you know,
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you're just fortunate. So, like literally growing up
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way back. I'm 41 years old.
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Now, I left University in 2004. So, I'm talking about the Ellie
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part of, you know, late part of 1999 2000. 2001, 2002, through
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two, three and four. So we have a lot of like, you
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are literally hanging out with your mates, you know, anything
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can literally happen to you because the government hasn't
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actually trained the police officers trained, you know, it's
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And, you know, on safety and so on and so forth.
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It doesn't happen. So I just wanted to reach the
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Escape. I just wanted to escape from
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that, you know, depending on what part you are in Nigeria,
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some parts are pretty secure more some part as our unsecure,
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where the super wealthy leave is secure.
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But you know, the federal capital city in Abuja, you know,
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it's super secure, some part of Legos where you have Banana
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Island. You have the VGC.
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And all these places in Nigeria the very secure, but where the
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average guy, the guy who works in Tesco, the guy who works in
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Salisbury equivalents in Nigeria, you know, lives their
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life every single day on risk. This is the thing that interests
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me about Africa, just in general, like, I know obviously
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Nigeria is within South Africa. That is, why isn't it's not
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Norfolk? So night Nigeria is literally,
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is in West Africa, where Erica, okay.
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Obviously, Nigeria is the biggest black nation on the
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planet, right? There is this interesting tidbit
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to me, because I always hear these stories about Africa,
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where, like, you know, the major cities are always generally, you
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know, I don't know, I say affluent, but, like, people are
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doing well. If you're living in the city,
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you're probably doing well. But then anywhere outside, as
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you say where most people live, it's like complete opposite.
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It's like night and day. Almost, absolutely.
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Absolutely. You know?
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And that's just, that's just how it is.
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You know, the difference, the poor, the the The difference
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between the wealthy and not enough in Africa.
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It's so it's it's so massive. I'll give it a very simple
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analysis, yet a wealthy Nigeria leaves on nothing.
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Less than a thousand pounds. A day, a really wealthy Nigerian
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will spend worst case scenario. Like, literally, it's a thousand
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pounds is nothing to spend. In a day whereby, you have the
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real real porn. Nigerian of really, really poor
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guy living less than a pound, literally less than 50 pound a
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day, regardless of the job. They have.
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You know, a minimum wage and minimum wage in Nigeria.
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It's it's literally less than literally let someone with a
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minimum wage salary in a month and I'd really chewed makes
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about less than 200 pounds. A month.
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Was it Nigeria? The experienced hyperinflation
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at one point start? Well I kind of miss consistently
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you know inflation you know. But this I've had certain
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countries around the world. Like for instance, Germany very
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famously after I believe The first world war experience that
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way. Like it got to the point where
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you know, like bread would be I don't know like a million
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deutschmarks or something, ridiculous like that.
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So you just couldn't afford anything.
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Basically like, have you ever had a situation like that?
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Like you said, okay you're always experiencing inflation
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but is it, does it ever get to a point where like you just can't
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afford that the common Des Essentials or whatever?
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Well, there are, there are individuals that couldn't afford
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the essentials, you know, they are individuals who needs an
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abject poverty. Right?
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Also the middle class who are doing okay, you know, but this
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is interesting so you've got like a sort of a class system of
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something subscription. Absolutely, absolutely.
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You've got really the lower class, your got the the the
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class before the middle class. Then you've got the middle
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class. Then you've got the rich.
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They go to the super-rich and you got the very super super
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rich, you know, it's up the bracket is just insane, you
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know? And the super, super super rich
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is literally Even no disrespect to England.
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The really super rich in Nigeria is richer than a country in
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rigid and even England as a country.
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Okay, that I'm time place like big.
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What's up? You like big oil deals and stuff
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like that and write stuff. We got even.
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Absolutely, you know, I, you know, absolutely the most
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expensive, the most richest, Nigerian a liquid unquote, a is
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one of the is one of the richest in the world he has reached to
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the, is Richard on the country? A car it was kind of blows my
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mind. How these people get away with
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it, like, just on a level because, obviously, and that's a
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big thing as well. I remember, there was a comedy
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sketch that I think it was Chris Rock, did years ago, when he was
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explaining the difference between being rich and being
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wealthy. And that's a perfect example of
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work is what a lot of people make this this error, they don't
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understand the difference. Like being rich is just having a
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lot of cash. Wealth is like owning land
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owning like Industries or having the How influence to lobby and
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kind of make major change in the world of some description.
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Which yeah, is, you know, that's that's only a select few in the
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world, like, probably less than 1,000 people in the world that
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actually control everything kind of crazy to think about, but,
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okay, so we painted sort of a picture of what what you were
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sort of having to contend with growing up in Nigeria.
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So what made you kind of think? Okay, the UK because you know,
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Africans very We travel all around the world.
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I mean, when I was living in Estonia, I met Nigerians.
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Like, there's a lot of Africans going to various different
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countries around the world, but absolutely, you know, the first
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thing I'm thinking is okay, well, why not America, why why
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England what sort of Joy Drew's England?
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Well, I think Landing myself in England was just something quite
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coincident. Okay, what was happened was
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during the last during that particular year, 2004.
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When I wanted to travel, I did try to To get an American visa.
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Fortunately, I was rejected either for the visa.
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Do you know why they give me a reason?
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Well, there wasn't any specific reason, so the specific reason,
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there, wasn't any specific reason of me rejected, a Visa
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was just all we don't think you're qualified for this
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particular point in time. Try again in six months you know
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and that would that's just not know what of a like to.
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I mean I think till today that's what you really Americans.
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Don't really tell you the reason why you've been rejected a Visa
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yeah I've had some shaded stories about Sometimes they're
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like that, that whole qualifications thing is
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nonsense. It's about unlike the UK, the
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UK, obviously, UK's, part of common word, is the head of come
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away. So, in the UK, do you care?
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Very is an explanation based country like why is that my lip?
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My son? My son is 13 years old.
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I can't just get my son to do something for me without me
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asking without him having to ask me the reason why I've asked you
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to do something. So the British, you know that's
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how they So, the UK, for example, would reject your visa
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and it will tell you. This is the reason why you
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didn't have enough money with, don't think the money you have
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will sustain you. And so it's so they just explain
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things to you some sort of think.
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I think it's they should I think they should legally have to as
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well because it's like how you're not supposed to know and
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like you know if it is a Prejudice thing, if it is based
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on because I think that's kind of what it is with America.
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It's like it because I've had friends who have been rejected
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and they were well qualified they had Everything.
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But I don't know, maybe they come from a particular cultural
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background or something. I'm not implying anything.
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But well, I kind of am, you know, it blows my especially for
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America because it's, you know, it's Multicultural Nation.
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Its yeah. Bill on that idea, isn't it?
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But yeah, no, it's good. Okay, that's good.
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At least in England. You get like an explanation.
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Okay. So you've been you've been sort
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of brought into the country. Now from what I understand based
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on my research, you Didn't speak English very well.
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When you first came to the country, talking about that.
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Well, I literally spoke the naturally broken English.
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Like one of I had people say this all the time, you know?
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So in terms of it's not like we obviously work British colony
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and we speak Queens in English. In Nigeria for the fin is are
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sometimes our pronunciation when you're from Nigeria
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pronunciation is completely opposite.
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You know, and sometimes I've had this conversation.
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Down with love, you know, English people and they say, oh,
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oh, you're trying to say, you know, maybe you're trying to say
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it, pronounces setting word and I pronouncing that way is that,
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although, okay, I get what you mean because of that sort of
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essence. So I had a very strong Nigerian
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typical Nigerian a sense because, you know, I we speak
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broken English. There's a way in every single
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night during speaks of broken English.
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So nice, it's just that patch to are.
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All right. So Jamaican speak patch or so.
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And ditch speaking English boy spatula.
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And when they communicate you've got to listen a little bit more
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careful in order for you to actually get what they're
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talking about. So my accent was pretty, you
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know, the same and you know I wasn't born to you know I wasn't
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trying to understand every single word on the Queen's
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Oxford dictionary of course. Yeah.
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And my I might my English was it's worth you know wasn't
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really great for me personally. That's just how I felt.
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I felt like my English wasn't really great.
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Eight. So even today, I still say in
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English is not my first language is English is not my first
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language, you know, it's not because I was looking for, I'm
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looking for comfort zone, but it's just because the fact is
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you want, I'm even right now for the listeners, they will
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probably still here. Some sort of African acid in my
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speaking. Yeah, so English wasn't really
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that great and which was a, was a big challenge.
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When I first came here with, you know, alongside with all the
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usuals of relocating to a completely new sort of culture,
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new background New Wealth, Can you of doing things?
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Yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't really easy.
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Couple of reasons why I asked one because I want to delve into
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your first initial jobs went to set up.
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You know what that was like for you.
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But also I got a flatmate right now who's from Portugal.
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Sorry, no, from Brazil and he doesn't speak any English like
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he he's learning a little bit, he's working really hard.
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I think he's been here about two and a half months now but we
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literally communicate through Google translate it's actually
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kind of funny and he's really He struggling, you know, he's
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working hard to provide a life here and for his family to come
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over and everything and it makes sense, you know, it's because of
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brexit and everything, he's trying to do that and I fully
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respect that and I'm just like I'm I'm stunned by it because
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and we've spoken about it through this broken messaging
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system that we've had that. It's very brave on his part to
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have done that and through him, I've kind of understood like At
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least in England, like, why it's so important to speak English
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here. And what I mean by that is like,
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you know, when I lived in Europe, when I lived abroad in
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Europe, most country is that they learn several languages
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from the get-go. So, you know, if you speak
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English, you can pretty much get buy-in in most places, but
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coming to England, if you don't speak English is tough because
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there are certain industries we were at the hotel industry and
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stuff where they might speak several languages.
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But generally speaking most people It's like English or
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nothing, so it's very tough coming to the UK in that
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scenario. I mean, if you really look at
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it, like if you, if you was to go to Nigeria, right?
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You know you couldn't find it really really that difficult
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because English is our first language in terms of
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communication, but not just like the mother tongue.
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Imagine in Nigeria, for example, we speak over 260, two
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languages. Oh wow.
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Okay, that's over 200 and you know, 22 languages in Nigeria,
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you know, if you was to relocate from Nigeria to Japan, you know,
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is that for the first language is Japanese, so I actually have
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a brother, one of my oldest brother's he lives in Japan for
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30 years plus, now he speaks and right, Nyong'o speaks and right.
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Japanese so amazing. Yes.
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And because he, his choice was to go and live in Japan.
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Yeah, and he had to learn their lifestyle, the culture, the
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language. So, When you do locate the UK,
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you know, being your first language, being African Japanese
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Chinese, whatever. The case might be, you have to
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learn the language. It takes time some people picky
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very quickly, especially kids, Kate speaking repeated, pick it
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up very quickly. But for adults, like me, I was
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20 plus when I came to the UK, he either.
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So at some point it's speaking English, but I'm not speaking to
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and I don't have the actual assets so that makes it sort of
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a big deal, you know? So We as of time, think it got
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better and got better and better.
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And to be honest over the last couple of years especially in
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the last four years, where I have actually become really the
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vast and really like I've got friends from all over the place.
22:35
You know, unlike before the very first 12 years, I lived in this
22:38
country 80% of people who I mingled with were African
22:43
Nigerians, you got me and Cyril aliens.
22:46
You know, because that was within my comfort zone.
22:48
Yeah. That didn't really help me that
22:50
much because we speak our local pidgin English, you know, but
22:55
when I when I decided to break out of that Circle, my English
22:59
actually got better because I'm communicating with you know
23:02
different types of people. Now who speaks English very
23:05
fluently so yeah, it was really challenging but we got there in
23:08
the end. Absolutely.
23:10
Yeah. I know.
23:12
So when you, when you first kind of came in and you had to,
23:15
because it's a very interesting story, you know, you obviously
23:17
you have a business or businessman like you said, you
23:20
hadn't really worked a nine-to-five before then, you
23:22
know, and then now you've got to do that and you're going to do
23:25
it in a foreign country and like everything's different and
23:28
everything. So you mentioned that you worked
23:30
very briefly for yodel and there's a taxi cab driver.
23:33
So like talk us through that. What that was like in the early
23:36
stages like how did you navigate that how was it for you?
23:40
Well, Working for your do and working as Uber driver was two
23:44
ways, you know, after losing money in 2015 and that.
23:49
But when I first came into the country, you know, 2004, I
23:54
couldn't really just have a job because you need papers, you
23:56
need to have a resident status, you know, we call it papers
23:59
anyway. So you need to have residential
24:01
status in order for you to have a job, a real night of five, you
24:05
know, and to kind of pay your business stuff like that.
24:07
But because I was in the visiting Visa that time I
24:09
couldn't work. So the only thing I Do is to
24:12
kind of try and see if I could you buy and sell it because
24:14
that's what we used to. So, during the very first two
24:17
years. So, during the very first 12
24:19
months of my going back to Nigeria, coming back to the UK,
24:22
before I eventually had my resident permit in 2006.
24:27
You know, it was not really easy because I didn't have I didn't
24:31
have, that means to have a bank account.
24:33
I didn't have a maid to do anything.
24:35
So it was it was, it was difficult.
24:37
So but the only kind of jobs, I could do you know, the only
24:41
things I can. Really do for people was to kind
24:43
of help people clean their houses and get paid cash.
24:46
And yeah and it wasn't like a job.
24:48
It was be like maybe a friend of a friend or I know it's okay.
24:52
Come and help me clean my house. I'll give 50 pound anything to
24:54
survive. I think that was after my second
24:57
visit, then I met my wife. So I met my wife, then my met my
25:01
wife. Dan in 2005.
25:03
Obviously, this is not 2021, so my girlfriend then we started
25:07
dating and after someone of dating, she kind of get to
25:10
understand meenu. I was doing.
25:12
I said, what were you actually here for?
25:14
So I said, I really want to leave in this country, you know?
25:16
And, and we just got stronger and stronger and she gave you,
25:20
she gave me more reason to live in a country.
25:23
So, I, you know, I remember traveling.
25:25
Back in January, 2002, January, 2006 back to Nigeria, you know,
25:30
to sell clothes and you know, whether our selling and then I
25:34
took my mom, I met my mother had met my girlfriend.
25:36
You know, I really love this girl, you know, Mom, I always
25:39
wanted to live in the UK and when I got the opportunity to
25:41
have Visitor Visa in order for me to travel two months, three
25:44
months back, or month, or week or two, whatever the case might
25:47
be, you know, and everything. Just had to make sense when I
25:51
met my wife. So, I met my wife in October.
25:54
I think I met my wife in October 2005, and then we got married
25:57
about eight months later. And once we got married, and
26:02
everything changed because, you know how to apply through her
26:06
status because she's British, I became a British citizen through
26:08
that and fast forward, very, very quickly.
26:11
I If it really settled down 2008 had, we had our first child.
26:15
You know, I started setting up my businesses and, you know,
26:19
that's just kind of how I build momentum settled into the
26:22
country, but trust me. It wasn't as easy as an
26:25
exploding right now. It was really never never is
26:29
never. It was really really
26:30
challenging. It was very difficult, you know
26:32
bought thank goodness. She believed in me, she helps me
26:35
in every single way that I could to settle into the country.
26:39
Once we decided to leave here and 2006 Ingram just became a
26:43
home for me and true that struggles of trying to sell
26:47
clothes trying to sell things here.
26:48
And there I built a third. My very first business, which
26:53
was in setting up internet cafes that went well, but so that
26:58
business in too fast. So, how did that business work
27:00
then? Like was it like a kind of a
27:01
portable thing like took us for a little bit about that?
27:05
Well, I set up internet cafe. So internet cab.
27:08
If you remember back in them days, there was in Phones.
27:12
Okay he's weird. I remember those places that you
27:15
go in there and they didn't even serve coffee, I felt cheated.
27:21
We had one of those we grew from one to two to three to four
27:28
around South London hand. Yeah, so the money I used to set
27:32
up that can from me buying clothes from Primark from Max
27:36
and Spencer. My wife worked in marks and
27:38
Spencer. So I will buy clothes jump out
27:41
by Joe A boxer shorts sheds, ship it over back to Nigeria.
27:45
It's a good idea, you know, so silly for our salad in a jar for
27:50
premium price. And from there, I started
27:52
selling cars. So, I will buy cars, I will buy
27:55
cars from, from from auctions. I will break them into pieces.
27:59
I will ship them back to Nigeria.
28:01
I was just basically hustling, you know, I was hostile anything
28:04
to survive, you know. So, I'll break those cards into
28:08
spare parts sent back to Nigeria invested by 5000.
28:11
Selling make about 32 thousand pound profit.
28:14
Bring it back again, do the same and that allowed me to set up.
28:18
My internet can't blow. It was just like when I'm
28:21
actually going to have breakthroughs but I just go sick
28:23
and tired of being sick and tired.
28:24
I just told my wife, I said, listen in 2012, I've got to go
28:27
back to Nigeria. I can't I can't keep living my
28:30
life like this. I need to do something better.
28:33
I need to look after you look after the kids, it was really
28:35
stressful. So I she agreed with me.
28:39
Sir. Like you had to kind of leave
28:41
them. M here in the UK and you have to
28:43
be. Wow!
28:45
I I will have to go back. I said, you know what, because
28:48
the goal in 2004 was to eat to search for greener, pasture that
28:52
I'm here in England. Greener pasture dizzy knocking
28:55
on the door to see, so we're having to go back in order to
28:59
provide a better life for your family.
29:00
Yeah. But it's yet.
29:03
So it took us three how you got through that because I can't
29:05
imagine your wife was not. You shouldn't I know you.
29:07
Obviously, she understood, but like, that's a tough
29:10
conversation to have. And then Make that work.
29:12
How did you make that work? Well, as I said, you know, The
29:17
dream of our England. Would, you know, coming to
29:21
reclaim your life is going to change overnight.
29:25
After 56 years realized are there is no life changing
29:29
overnight here. Alright, the essence of all, you
29:33
know, some sort of security issues and challenges that we
29:36
have in Nigeria doesn't happen in England.
29:39
I remember, you know, being bumped into as well buy some,
29:43
you know, you know, being jumped by So group of boys in Peckham,
29:49
you know, where you know, they stole my phone, you know, they
29:52
stole my phone, my stomach. I was robbed, basically cleaning
29:54
the streets of backhand in South London.
29:56
So I'm like, I'm trying to run away from Nigeria.
29:59
This things happened in Nigeria, I thought it didn't happen in
30:01
England, so I just go sick and tired.
30:06
In fact, I just went through those big moments of my life.
30:10
Big big massive moment of roller coasters and I just felt, okay.
30:13
I feel like you're was not, you know, Nigel Was not meant for
30:18
me. And I thought England was better
30:21
and I'm here now in England. Now, I've got wife, I've got two
30:25
kids because my first son was born in 2008.
30:28
My second was born in 2011. So I'm like, oh man, like I've
30:33
got big responsibilities now, like I cannot be in a place
30:36
where it's about a business in Africa, when you have a
30:40
business, it's meant to make you wealthy, all right?
30:43
You don't start a business to be a business owner that You feel
30:48
like you're going to just be at both the average, you start a
30:51
business, have it in mindset of being very wealthy and that was
30:55
my mindset, my mindset is to start a business and be super,
30:58
super wealthy. But right now, I'm selling cars,
31:01
I'm selling clothes, it's not happening set up internet cafe,
31:03
still not happening. I'm like, you know what?
31:06
Let me see what's happening. And let me go back to Nature
31:08
especially because I've not lived in England for some time a
31:11
few friends and family that I say, you know, why don't you
31:14
come in and, you know, set up something, you know, the
31:16
experience of What you've learned in the last couple of
31:18
years in the UK, why don't you bring it back to Nigeria?
31:21
Maybe life could be like a chain, that's all right.
31:22
Why don't I give it a try? Sad, the mrs.
31:25
Down, spoke to I said this is what the situation are.
31:28
Obviously, you know me, I'm somebody that I, you know, I
31:32
don't get comfortable regardless of how comfortable I am.
31:34
Just somebody that don't get comfortable, you know, that's
31:37
what wealthy people do. You've just got to find eager to
31:41
keep pushing yourself. If you even if you reach a bit
31:44
richer setting, go set a big goal for yourself.
31:47
To stop him. So I said to my wife.
31:49
Why don't I just give me about the next 12 months?
31:52
Minimum. Let me go.
31:53
And try Nigeria. Let me collapse a little bit of
31:56
a structure that I already have here.
31:58
So I was able to liquidate what I already had here, took some
32:01
money back to Nigeria stuff. I started I started a business
32:04
in Nigeria and funny enough within the very first two years,
32:07
it's very first 12 months. I started to really have a some
32:10
sort of element of fulfillment that in the business going to
32:13
way as it is. Because at that time I was able
32:16
to pay the bills Those in the UK, pay my bills in Nigeria.
32:19
However, I was able to travel back and forth from Nigeria to
32:22
the UK to see my wife and kids. So I will come in spend three
32:26
months with that. I would have Scootin.
32:29
I just spent three months and I'll come to you can spend a
32:31
month. I did that for the first year,
32:33
where I lead you to travel almost 34 times a year back
32:37
home, to Nigeria back against the UK.
32:39
And then the second year, I kind of reduce the little bit by
32:42
traveling every four months instead of every three months.
32:45
And this the third year can Reduce it back to increase, the
32:48
by like 5 months, instead of four months, then the realities
32:54
of like kicks in, you have kids that are growing the needs you,
32:58
you have a wife that needs you and you're bombarded by so much
33:04
emotional roller coaster. Now, should I follow my passion
33:08
to creating wealth, or should I actually become a good husband
33:13
and a good father by being in their life, taking?
33:17
Them to school, not just traveling back home and you
33:20
know, and take them to school for like a month in.
33:22
I'm off again, you know, and sometimes challenges our
33:29
blessings. So for me in 2015, I my business
33:32
manager went through some serious challenges and I lost
33:35
over 150,000 pounds in a single month.
33:37
My business literally just went down the drain, always the
33:40
business in it was in oil and gas industry.
33:44
So I said I would transport Refined oil products from the
33:49
Depot's to the petrol stations for the Petros to be sold to the
33:53
end user. So, that was what I was into.
33:55
So I had a, you know, we to, of my trucks, to of my trailers
33:59
with petroleum products, burst into flames, had an accident and
34:03
boasted to play Flames the same month.
34:06
Yeah. The the same month I lost over
34:07
150,000 pounds at that time. I felt like all my days.
34:12
What is going on here? I felt frustrated.
34:14
I feel like, why is it me? Why why You know, I've been here
34:17
a couple of years in the UK. I couldn't really live the life,
34:22
I really wanted. Now I've gone back to Nigeria,
34:24
things are really working for me now and all of a sudden I have,
34:28
this has happened. You know what, maybe what my
34:31
emotional roller coaster has been telling me to just go back
34:33
to the UK and just, you know, go and be a husband and a dad, get
34:36
a nine-to-five job. Business is absolutely not for
34:38
me. There's some people that would
34:41
say that, you know, something like that happening is life's
34:45
way of telling you like this. Not your path.
34:48
And you know, maybe a different path is intended for you like,
34:51
is that how you saw it sort of afterwards or okay?
34:55
I thought I felt rubbish, I feel useless.
34:58
I feel like the universe is not, this is not what you.
35:02
This is not what the universe is saying, for me to do this, not
35:05
even what God himself is, probably asking it to do.
35:08
So maybe God is asking me to just get a job, you know, and
35:12
then you speak to your other half is you start speaking to
35:14
the other half and the other half say maybe maybe you.
35:17
R-right, what? Just get a job and look after
35:19
us. All, I just wanted to be is to
35:20
be a husband and look after the kids and look after me and you
35:24
start listening to all of this. And to be honest in 2015, I just
35:27
made up my mind. I said, December, I'm back to
35:29
England, I just picked up my bag because business is not working
35:32
in. Nigeria had this major issue and
35:34
I just relocated back, came back to the UK.
35:37
I remember sitting in that in the sofa, when I came back on
35:39
the 20th. When I came back on the 15th of
35:41
December, sat in the sofa, really felt deflated.
35:44
So this is me now 10 years. I was 10 years of my life
35:48
feeling, like wasted, you know, not knowing what to do.
35:54
So I just said to my wife, I've never had a job.
35:57
I can't be employable. So what Nest?
36:00
She said, just do anything, anything.
36:01
You've got to do down. Daniel to look after us, just do
36:04
it. So I said, okay, I'm going to
36:08
get delivery job because I have got clean, driver's license,
36:10
maybe that will work. And I remember, she looked at me
36:13
and she said to me, Delivery drop.
36:16
Well, what am I going to really? Tell my, what am I gonna tell?
36:18
My mom, what am I going to tell family members?
36:20
That, wow, priorities woman. Yeah, it's not Well, I'm a one
36:28
kind of sorry for my language. So I'm like I'm that's how I
36:34
feel a few useless now. So she said, well, anything that
36:38
you you want to do, I wish you the best, I'll be there for you
36:43
as your wife and let's back up a second.
36:46
So you're sitting there, you're feeling deflated and you're
36:48
thinking, like, okay, yeah, Alternatives maybe I'll do this.
36:52
So obviously she's kind of thinking like, oh no, this would
36:55
be terrible like Bob lot, right? But are you thinking in your
36:59
mind already? Like, yeah, but this is a
37:01
stepping stone or you just thinking about what's in front
37:04
of you. Like, where's your head at?
37:06
Thing at that point my head is just like I felt useless, right?
37:12
But when you start thinking about like okay I'll be maybe
37:14
I'll do this delivery job, maybe do that.
37:16
So obviously, you're thinking right, I need to support my
37:18
family, need to just bring some money in blah blah blah.
37:21
But that what I'm saying is, is there are you already working on
37:25
like how to build up on upon that or are you just kind of
37:27
like I just need work and that's it.
37:30
And that was it. It was just like I just need a
37:32
job. I just need to look after my
37:34
kids. I just need to look after For
37:36
this people. Now, like, I've tried for the
37:38
last 10 years, plus trying to make this data, but it's not
37:42
happening. So this is it.
37:44
Now, I don't think there isn't this going to be able to be any
37:47
sort of like that sort of good life.
37:50
That I so much desire and stuff like that, you know, that was
37:53
just a mindset. There wasn't any sort of I could
37:57
become this is a stepping stone for me or anything like that.
38:01
For that first six months. That was just how I felt.
38:04
I wasn't seeing anything. It's just like being in this
38:06
sort of dark place where there is no light at the end of that
38:09
tunnel. That's just how I felt.
38:13
Okay, let's try and lighten things up a little bit before
38:16
and before I get to your business because I like the way
38:18
this is going, we're getting like a very kind of nice
38:21
chronological, not chronological, kind of order.
38:24
I like this. I like this, it makes me happy.
38:26
The OCD side of me. Did you have any kind of like
38:31
funny or weird or crazy experiences working either as a
38:37
taxi driver or with Yoda like anything that just kind of
38:40
sticks out that was a bit crazy or funny or anything?
38:44
well yeah, so well, I think in terms of having something funny
38:52
at that time was when I bought a knockdown and I obviously being
38:56
a delivery driver and I started driving Uber, I'm able to so
39:00
many different type of people having conversations with them.
39:03
So, every single time I had a conversation with them.
39:06
Some people say to me, are you sure?
39:07
Daniel. Because we weren't because when
39:09
people you pick up a passenger, it shows your name Daniel and
39:13
then people's that whole. Hello.
39:14
Daniel super. Must be someone coming to your
39:16
cause that will hide and yesterday, or if you like, you
39:18
know, them or they know you, because they mentioned your
39:20
name. And you can also obviously say,
39:22
hi Kristin, because you know who you're picking up.
39:25
It though when people do that. Okay, you know I used to work at
39:32
the supermarket, people would be they'd say my name like hey
39:35
Christian and I'd look and I'll be like, oh yeah, my name tags
39:38
then I'm like hello lovely. I really love the okay, fair
39:43
enough. So whenever people came into my
39:46
car and we sometimes some people want to really have a child get
39:48
to know you know especially when you're doing airport runs in the
39:52
morning so especially when you're taking someone to the
39:53
airport. It can be about an hour drag you
39:56
in the car with someone. So some people want to have a
39:58
conversation with you always specially some long nights when
40:00
people you know, fifth clothes from work.
40:02
You know, I remember driving someone from London to
40:06
Birmingham. Oh wow.
40:07
Yeah, one night and this particular guy with talking in
40:10
the car and we really got to talking and he said are you sure
40:14
you're really an Uber driver? And I'm like, why did he say
40:17
that? He said, you're so full of some
40:19
sort of wisdom I said, only if you know what I've been through
40:25
That's what we did. I said, I've been through the
40:28
worst, I've been through the downs, and this is me now.
40:31
So, some guy, so, it mean, I was like, this is a guy who had a
40:35
ambition to have this sort of great life.
40:37
And this is where I am ending up to me, I felt like it's
40:42
finished. So the, you know, this is 8 now
40:45
so it's going to be me. Oh, see, in your mind, you've
40:48
kind of like accepted it. Okay, I'm a taxi driver.
40:51
This is me now. Yeah, absolutely, I did.
40:54
Wow, I did. Okay, I said, nah, I've been
40:58
there. I remember, I mean, it sounds
41:00
silly thinking about now, but, and sorry for my listeners, for
41:04
bringing this up for the millionth time, but this, this
41:09
Supermarket job I had when I was 18 because I was there for like
41:14
two or three years. Yeah, I really felt the same my
41:16
fellow God. I should have gone to University
41:19
but I was too stupid for that and now this is my life.
41:22
I stack shelves through. Being in all of this and I just
41:25
kind of remembers feeling very similar.
41:28
I remember thinking like it's depressing as it sounds but like
41:31
there is no future past this point.
41:33
This is it now and like it's kind of it's like people don't
41:37
often think about this bit. Like when you're a person who
41:39
knows that they should be doing so much more with their life but
41:43
they're doing this thing that tip just pay the bills just to
41:47
make ends meet. But yeah they're kind of stuck
41:51
in your stuck. That's the best way to put it.
41:53
Yes stuck This kind of position that you don't want to be in.
41:56
And it's like, how do I get out of this?
41:58
But you can't see a way out of it.
42:00
This is scary mindset to have, you know, someone first, you
42:06
know, giving an analogy about drowning, you know, a says he
42:12
didn't know how to swim and he wasn't a both and while the boat
42:16
was sailing the boat capsized, I'd either.
42:20
And what then happened was he couldn't swim.
42:24
And at some point when he, when the boat capsized and he was in
42:28
there and it's trying to struggle to try and, you know,
42:31
stay on top, stay above the water.
42:33
So he doesn't drown. There was a point where he
42:36
literally just couldn't struggle anymore.
42:39
And he's like, all right, this is it now I just left and then
42:42
he found himself on the water and that was when you know,
42:46
someone reached, you know, so on, he saw someone jumped into
42:50
the water and, you know and then Mount and when he gave me this,
42:56
a very close friend of my way back in Africa and he said it's
43:01
sometimes in life. You know you just use like
43:05
you're fighting consistent battles and it could be like
43:09
you're just going to just let yourself back.
43:12
This is it. Now you just accept it and say
43:14
you know what, maybe be is like someone having, you know, you
43:19
know, to struggle for their life and useless get to a point Where
43:24
you feel like, okay, this is it now and I'm done, that is
43:28
exactly how I felt, you know? Because I just felt like,
43:31
because I've been out, I've always been very energetic.
43:33
I've been someone who I challenge myself every single
43:37
day, like, you know, my wife said, this to me all the times
43:40
that, oh, Daniel, you're too much.
43:43
I said, you know, you're too much as like, yep, that is it?
43:47
So, and I don't drink a lot of alcohol to get so drunk, boy,
43:54
I'm very hard top, I'm very hot top at that point in time,
43:59
that's just what happened to me. So I felt like this is it now
44:02
accepted it yet. Been an Uber driver is how I'm
44:05
going to look after my kids, you know drive to again it wasn't
44:09
really easy driving Uber but you know growing a business to
44:12
150,000 pounds in. Nigeria was a lot of money, a
44:16
lot of money that's equivalent of 100 and 150 million naira in
44:21
Nigeria's equivalent 150,000. Pounds in in England, that is
44:25
quite a good. Like I'm no longer poor that
44:29
makes sense, you know, you can't be on the pole bracket if I was
44:32
to be in Nigeria, that's what that means.
44:34
So it meant a lot to me, being able to travel from Nigeria back
44:38
to England from England, back to my dream travel, the world that
44:41
made like it was a good place to be and all of a sudden all of
44:46
that taken away from me. You know and going through
44:49
depression, going through anxiety, it wasn't easy at all.
44:53
because yeah, I just accepted it and How I came out of it was
45:00
literally. Just doing what I was doing, you
45:05
know, do what I was doing. Just keep, you know, driving
45:08
people around. Well, I think about a year
45:10
later, I was I started to kind of have a little bit of Hope
45:14
again, and trust me on this one. I think a lot of people actually
45:18
say it is that they don't believe in God, for me, I
45:20
believe in God a lot. And this is where I was actually
45:24
drop. Someone off, I drop someone off
45:26
on that long journey and a, you know, to one of these airports,
45:29
I can't remember which I put it was again now, and I was
45:31
actually so tired. And I Going to a McDonald's and
45:33
was sleeping. And in my sleep, I saw myself
45:38
being a property investor. And I was, I was just in this
45:44
room where they were talking about property investing and all
45:46
this stuff and I jumped up from that dream and I was sleeping
45:52
and I jumped out that dream. And I decided to look on my
45:54
Facebook, I've started to look on my phone, you know, to take
45:58
the next job. But at the same time, I just
46:00
opened my Facebook page and this was in 2017.
46:04
And, and all hope all of my lost hope literally came back to life
46:09
because in that dream, I was in In an event, you know, being
46:13
taught in property and I woke up and I saw on Facebook and I
46:18
there was an ad on Facebook saying, buying properties in
46:21
controlling properties and so on and so forth.
46:23
The guy was promoting it and I just literally click, it was a
46:26
70 pounds networking event, and sometimes people say, they don't
46:31
believe in miracles. I Like literally, it's like
46:35
everything I've been through in my life today was building me
46:37
for what I am today. So, at that point in time is the
46:40
last 70 pounds, I have on my balance on my credit card.
46:44
I paid for that 70 pounds. It was actually money.
46:47
Meant for me to buy my petrol the next day.
46:50
Oh wow. Okay, so I register for that
46:54
event, I went down to London. Why the guy was talking?
46:57
I was that oh my days. This is just too good to be
46:59
true. Is it possible?
47:02
Why Isn't everyone doing this in property?
47:05
Why isn't why it's not happening?
47:07
It's gonna back up. One second.
47:08
So I've had similar experiences to what you said.
47:12
Like, I don't believe in God but I do believe in something.
47:16
I don't know. I always refer to it as like
47:18
power of the universe but many of the principles of religion, I
47:21
agree with like you know you should put out good and good
47:24
will come to you and all of these things but you need to be
47:27
like the author of everything. That's the thing, like the
47:30
universal God will give you. Opportunities.
47:34
Absolutely. But like, sometimes it's not
47:37
obvious. Sometimes it's like, it can, it
47:40
can be shrouded in something that you don't feel comfortable
47:42
with or sometimes it requires you to take a leap of faith,
47:46
Etc. But one thing that's always
47:48
interested me about, especially those Vision.
47:50
Type scenarios is how accurate they can be.
47:54
So obviously, that Vision you had the networking event.
47:57
When you get there, when you go to this place, is it like how
48:02
you imagined it in its Your dream or was it just more of a
48:05
feeling like did it? Well freak out a bit and then
48:07
they funny enough for funny enough.
48:09
When I eventually got registered and actually went to this
48:12
particular event, he was opposite of what a dream was all
48:15
like terrible dingy place. You know, it took place, but it
48:19
was opposite, you know. So you know, it was kind of
48:23
opposite when I mean, was kind of opposite, you know, I was in,
48:28
I was in the room where someone was literally talking about
48:32
property investing and stuff. Like that.
48:33
And it was just about few of us like to three of us, but when I
48:36
tell you this place was like, 60, 70 people.
48:41
All right? Yeah.
48:43
I get, you know, so from where room, where there was three
48:45
people and, you know, you are being caused by someone and he's
48:48
just few people and to a room where you had so many people.
48:52
So it was quite opposite. So literally 347 more than 10
48:57
times the numbers, you know? And yeah, and that's just how I
49:01
feel. I got rescued From, you know,
49:04
from all my hopes coming back to life.
49:07
So I had that fire. This happening to us the early
49:11
part of March to as the early part of March 2017, you know.
49:18
And I literally just took that leap of faith and I said, wow,
49:22
this is some amazing. So for me I do feel like in
49:25
life. The lesson for me is that you
49:28
know, looking back now since 2017, you know, one of the
49:33
things That I say to myself every single day was sometimes
49:36
when you are grown in life, when you are adding to your life or
49:40
your cronies something in life, sometimes you we all have we all
49:45
go through challenges, but we often blame the challenges not
49:51
knowing that the challenge is actually sent to make you who
49:55
you are a better person. So the whole, the whole drama of
49:59
me losing money in Africa, the whole ten years of mineral.
50:03
In or succeeding, in business. In the UK going back to Nigeria
50:07
was part of a process building me for the man that I am today,
50:12
you know, because I tried as much as possible to almost kill
50:18
myself. Somebody without any sort of
50:20
elements of being a very proud person because I've seen it,
50:26
I've been there, I've done that, you know, I've been to a
50:30
situation where I had money to not have any money.
50:34
I've been to all different types of you know, challenges every
50:38
single successful, entrepreneurs goes to, to go through, because
50:42
the Astro, our stories, and our journey is what makes us you
50:47
know and if you're able to go through those challenges and US
50:52
Taste of time, then that means when success actually start to,
50:56
to come your way. It's not a surprise because
51:01
you've paid a price so for me, be where I am today, you know,
51:07
and going through this drummers in my life just you know, just
51:11
to encourage anyone. If you really want to be
51:14
somebody who want to be more and do more in life, it's not going
51:17
to be handed to you on a platter of a goat.
51:20
Couldn't agree more. Yeah, youyou always sacrifice
51:22
something. I think, for many of us it's
51:25
time, isn't it? I mean, money is a big
51:28
investment, but money comes and money goes.
51:30
I think more of the most of the time, it's about time.
51:35
It's about putting the time in and you'll have people around
51:38
you say, like why are you wasting your time with that?
51:40
Like, you know, that it's like, for instance, what I do, you
51:43
know, there are people even family the refer to it as a
51:48
hobby. And it's not like that for me, I
51:52
don't, but I don't get angry anymore.
51:54
I get why they think that way, but I'm looking at what this can
51:59
do for me because I know that I would just never will be happy
52:02
doing a 9 to 5 job, you know, doing contract work.
52:07
Whatever. Like I've been there done that
52:08
one, the T-shirt, you know, and it always just maybe unfulfilled
52:13
may be sad everything in between but this like invigorates me.
52:17
I never get bored of this. I always Joy.
52:20
It's always different and it feels right, which I think is
52:23
the most important thing. Now bring it back to because I
52:28
want to know a little bit more before you sort of talk about
52:31
your business. So what was it about that
52:33
conversation? That kind of made you think okay
52:37
this is what I need to be doing that.
52:39
What was it about property management that made you think?
52:41
Okay I didn't waste 80 pounds. This is definitely 70 pounds.
52:46
This is definitely what I should be doing this.
52:50
Let's go all-in. Like what was the thing that
52:51
clicked for you? So one of the things that click
52:55
for me when I attended at £70 event networking event was I
53:01
just realize literally that. Oh, wow.
53:05
So People actually do come together and talk about business
53:09
because, oh, okay, you know, I know whatever lie before then I
53:15
believe was never exposed to networking.
53:19
I was never exposed to neck networking.
53:21
I was never, like I said, I remember, I said, I've been,
53:25
I've been for like 10 years or 12 years of my life, being in
53:29
this country and I'm close to a community of fellow Nigerian
53:34
civil learners. Ugandan sense, Guardians.
53:38
I'm just in that sort of Africa community.
53:40
So I'm I'm I'm just where I'm in my comfort zone.
53:47
So so when that happened, and I'm now in the, I'm sitting in
53:51
the room, the guy sitting next to me Chinese guy.
53:54
The next guy sent to me, Japanese the next guys in
53:56
English. And this guy behind me is Indian
53:58
and I look, I'm looking for someone who is Nigerian around
54:02
me so I can see close to them. There isn't any oh yeah, oh wow,
54:08
I love this so, wow. So I had a different mentality,
54:12
my mentality was the Chinese guy wasn't going to talk.
54:16
Me. Imagine, I'm telling my own self
54:19
down like little, I'm tearing my own self apart by having all
54:23
these elements of negativity or over the years thinking.
54:27
Okay, you know, I've got to be experienced to being some
54:30
sitting rooms. Oh, I've got to know something
54:33
to be in some setting places, I say hand, I'm in this room and
54:39
this guy's talking about property.
54:40
And the next guys, the next guy solution is that, wow, really?
54:43
You can do that. I'm not, yeah, I'm like, why
54:46
Like, wow, and we're talking, everyone is talking.
54:48
And at the end of that, I'm just like, I'm in.
54:51
I'm raising up my hand already like, what nest, what do I do
54:53
next? I need to do this and that, and
54:57
that just led me to, you know, a different perspective, the
55:01
different way of thinking. And I mean, we were just a
55:06
massive breakthrough. And from that time, I just
55:09
started, I became a network, like a network holic, if that's
55:14
if there's any word as there, I just Started networking
55:17
networking, getting myself educated personal development
55:22
after personal development, you know empowering my mind and
55:25
powering my vision empowering my growth.
55:29
You know, when this sort of where did you go from here in
55:34
terms of getting your first kind of job in Property Management?
55:37
Like what was the first steps there?
55:39
Well, I did go get a job. I got a where to give myself a
55:43
business, okay. Okay.
55:45
You will. Talk us through that.
55:47
Like how did that kind of snow or steps that you say?
55:51
So I signed up, I signed up for the training program that they
55:57
had. It was about 1750.
55:59
If I can remember that 1950s interested, so the networking
56:03
event was more expensive than the training.
56:05
No, 1717 when I'm in 1750 and 1717 seventh also 150-pound.
56:13
Sorry, sorry, okay. Yeah, that sounds about right.
56:17
£50 was a training program so I said I didn't have it but at
56:22
that point in time, I just said to myself, I'm gonna put my
56:25
hands up and I literally put my hands up and I said to the guy
56:29
I'm willing to come in now. I've got, I've got about 200
56:31
pounds, you know, only because I've obviously got paid for my
56:36
Uber job and I had it was a because Uber usually pays us on
56:40
a Friday. So, and I went to this training
56:42
on a Friday, so the money just hit my account so I was like,
56:44
yes, I'm commenting, 200 pounds. Right away and is there any way
56:48
you can give me time to pay so funny enough?
56:51
He they structured. I think it's structured about
56:54
two months month, payment plan and said.
56:56
Once you finish pain then you can come to the training as the,
56:59
okay? Let's do it.
57:01
So I made the commitment, I paid and no backup back a second,
57:05
that's a bit dodgy. We do you mean they were like?
57:08
Yeah yeah. You pay us first and then we'll
57:11
give you the training. Like did you not just sort of
57:13
think straight away last bit dodgy?
57:16
Nah, I didn't feel that. I just I just felt like what is
57:20
the worst that can happen right now but they could take your
57:22
money and just scam and funny enough.
57:27
It's good. You said this, because when I
57:29
left that networking event, and I went to, I went and I spoke to
57:32
a friend on a Saturday and he they said to me, you were being
57:35
scammed. Every person I told, I just made
57:39
a commitment to a, you know, a seven 1,700 pounds of boost
57:44
property training and it's how I know it doesn't work.
57:47
You're going to be scammed, you know, and I'm just supposed to
57:50
eat. I really want to thank myself.
57:52
I really want to thank Daniel Moses for listening to Daniel
57:54
Moses. Because if absolutely like, if I
57:58
did not listen to Daniel Moses, I would not be where I am today,
58:02
here in Toledo. Yeah, well you got so, you know,
58:04
I just want to thank myself because every single person that
58:06
I Folks, you said to me, I was being scammed the same way.
58:10
You just asked me 200-pound. Wait a minute.
58:12
Well only this, here's the thing.
58:14
Like I am the same as you. I trust my intuition with
58:18
everything I spit crazy but when you start doing that it does it
58:25
makes sense because you can't lie to yourself, you know?
58:29
But yeah. There I think the reason the why
58:31
a lot of people would be skeptical is just because of the
58:33
way they laid that out, like we will allow You to do the
58:38
training. Once you've paid that, that's I
58:40
think, because and the thing is, there are a lot of scams,
58:43
especially in the UK, where they have things like that, where
58:47
they try to get you to pay up front for something, and then
58:49
they just see you later, you never see them again and I think
58:52
that's where that kind of comes from, you know, not necessarily
58:55
that they doubt you and what you're trying to achieve, just
58:58
doubt that specific way that that's laid out if you know what
59:02
I mean. Yeah.
59:03
Absolutely. This is, this is one of the
59:05
things that You've been through where life is, knock you down so
59:09
many times. You know, this is where you
59:13
develop a complete different mindset, okay?
59:16
So for me life is knocked me down so many times and I've been
59:22
in a place where I lost everything you know lost over
59:24
150 K and for me, five two hundred percent commitment was
59:30
in. Was it seemed to be that sort of
59:33
a loss now because I'm like, if I lost 150 and I didn't die, So
59:41
my mentality is, you know, this is why I said, every single
59:45
thing I've been through in life, builds me for who I am today.
59:47
My risk appetite, my mindset, my transition, it is built is built
59:53
me. So, challenges are there to
59:56
actually make a better, create a better version of you, not to
59:59
pull you down, but what normally happens to a lot of people is
1:00:03
that they let their challenges in life, soak them in transition
1:00:06
them into somebody that they accept that you know I'm no
1:00:11
longer Unger good for nothing. And you know, me because I've
1:00:16
been through so much. And at that time, making that
1:00:18
commitment. Even when every single person
1:00:20
for the voted for the four months plus or five months plus,
1:00:24
every person I was telling her, I'm learning this property
1:00:27
thing, you know, I'm going to these places and people Everyone
1:00:30
told me the same community of people that I was surrounded.
1:00:34
By told me I was like it's not going to work.
1:00:39
It doesn't, nobody gets rich and Nobody Breaks that breaks
1:00:44
through that easily in the UK, just by Boring other people's
1:00:49
property because the strategy that was taught us at then was
1:00:52
how to trade property that I don't own and get paid and also
1:00:57
how to control people's property that I don't own an act.
1:00:59
As if I am the owner of the property, you know, it's called
1:01:03
subletting. So for people that That I spoke
1:01:09
to say all that is illegal everyone said is illegal but I
1:01:13
was getting taught the right way, the right way to do it and
1:01:16
legally do it and actually treat it as a business.
1:01:19
Yeah, you know, I've called long story short.
1:01:24
The business was ecstatic. My business was established by
1:01:27
October November, 2017 and November 2018, I had a business
1:01:36
that was doing a ton of over 80,000 pounds, 12 months later,
1:01:40
I created a business in property that was that brought in 80,000
1:01:44
pound Plus in revenue. And in October 2018, I quit my
1:01:49
Uber driving job. Congrats, that's awesome.
1:01:53
Yeah. I mean it's these things do tend
1:01:55
to be a kind of step-by-step process, really?
1:01:58
And it is interesting how these things develop and that's kind
1:02:03
of late leading me to my next question actually.
1:02:05
So now you have this company, which we briefly mentioned
1:02:08
before it's known as property wealth education.
1:02:11
So talk to us about the various different services that you
1:02:14
provide and just exactly what you do with it.
1:02:17
Basically, basically, like I said, when you was introducing
1:02:21
me and we've kind of focus on Up to F education.
1:02:24
Well, weights or started started from property welfare state.
1:02:28
So property welfare state is a company that manages property on
1:02:33
behalf of tired, landlords or landlords, is looking for rental
1:02:37
income without having to take the headaches or external
1:02:41
agents, you know, struggling to rent out properties.
1:02:45
What we do is we rent this property back.
1:02:47
We rent this property from the landlord's.
1:02:48
The letting agents, we seek the permission.
1:02:52
To sublet that property on the be on behalf of the landlord.
1:02:57
And what we do is we have the permission from them right to to
1:03:03
rent the house out, as a House of multiple occupation.
1:03:07
So most if you if you're if you physically you know G what you
1:03:12
need to go to, do you go to UNI here?
1:03:14
Yeah, did Marcus. Did you go from home?
1:03:17
Or did you stay in? Did you stay in hostels?
1:03:20
What was your situation when? Does campus-based, so I stayed
1:03:24
in horse great. So if you notice and student
1:03:27
economy student student environment, sorry, what you
1:03:30
will find out is that you see five or six individuals living
1:03:33
together, but they're friends, they're not related, but
1:03:36
everybody is paying their rent to the landlord so those type of
1:03:39
properties called hmos House of multiple occupation.
1:03:43
So what I did was I would rent a four bedroom with a three
1:03:47
reception room or two reception room from the landlord.
1:03:51
And I would then say to the lon No doubt.
1:03:52
I'm renting your property out from you and I'm going to pay
1:03:55
you, for example, 1,500 pounds. However, I'm not the one that's
1:03:59
going to live in that property, but I need your permission to be
1:04:02
able to rent it out to five, six.
1:04:03
Seven people to live in that house.
1:04:05
Oh, wow. Okay, we need to apply for a
1:04:08
license, you know, something called a mandatory HMO license,
1:04:12
which is for me, which allows me to have five or six individuals
1:04:17
in that property. So, this is what you were
1:04:20
talking about. This is the legal way to do
1:04:22
Subway. Absolutely.
1:04:24
Hi. I'm glad I finally understand
1:04:26
this is. Yeah, it's good to learn.
1:04:28
This is good stuff. Yes.
1:04:30
And that was where the journey started.
1:04:32
So I would then look, I wouldn't go on Rightmove.
1:04:34
Go on zoopla. Look for landlords.
1:04:37
And property that has been on the market for three months,
1:04:39
four months, five months, not renting.
1:04:41
And I would then offer them a guaranteed rent.
1:04:43
I would be referenced, as a tenant, you know, pre qualified
1:04:47
as a tenant. However, I have the permission,
1:04:50
you know, as the tenant to act, As the landlord by renting this
1:04:55
property out to to anyone who's looking to rent the rooms.
1:04:59
Yeah, and this is the I wanted to ask you next actually, so
1:05:03
obviously the landlord is putting a lot of trust in you to
1:05:06
make sure that the house is taking care of 1 million
1:05:09
percent, right. So like how do you actually
1:05:11
enforce that particularly because you're acting as like a
1:05:14
business entity that's managing this?
1:05:16
So like let's say you have students students and notorious
1:05:19
for kind of messing up, houses and stuff, it's just what we do.
1:05:23
So how do you how do you stop that?
1:05:27
Basically what do you wear to the our pre-qualification
1:05:31
process that take place? It's not everyone that wants to
1:05:33
rent your house. You're going to give your house
1:05:35
too. All right, first of all, the
1:05:37
landlord the landlord is putting a lot of trust and liability and
1:05:40
you should because he's invested a minimum of 20, 25 percent
1:05:43
deposit to actually have, you know, acquire that asset, you
1:05:47
know, and this is where you've got to be knowledgeable, you've
1:05:50
got to have the skill, you've got to have the right.
1:05:52
Nation to do it, you know. So you've got to present
1:05:55
yourself well, for someone to believe in you, but obviously I
1:05:59
was, I was, I was able to present myself and landlords
1:06:04
letting agents that are working with myself and I would then
1:06:08
obviously rent those houses out on the room by room basis,
1:06:12
obviously vetting through every single person that comes to rent
1:06:15
the house. So one of the things I did do
1:06:17
most time is, I would never rent a house, three rooms two, three
1:06:21
friends. I would never do that.
1:06:23
I will always only rented two friends so because when it
1:06:27
becomes three friends, the three friends can actually dominate
1:06:29
the house and Treehouse. You know, how they like, and
1:06:32
actually scare all the tenants and also, you know, I, I see, I
1:06:37
never got to the student Market. I rented that the house has two
1:06:42
professionals. So people who were project
1:06:44
managers and people who probably police official and NHS worker.
1:06:49
So, I'll have different sort of professionals, live in that
1:06:51
house today. To go to work.
1:06:53
You know, there is a market for the student marketing, hmos, or
1:06:57
I focus on the professional, usually focus on the
1:07:00
professional side and again, it just worked so far so good for
1:07:05
years on, you know, we currently have over 60 tenants in our
1:07:09
portfolio and we have a business turning over half a million
1:07:12
pounds in Revenue, you know, and that's just how we manage to
1:07:15
build property with estate. Yeah, this is another thing as
1:07:19
well. So you've actually managed to
1:07:20
develop an Investment Portfolio. Polio, that's worth over a
1:07:23
million pounds. So like, how did you get to that
1:07:26
point because obviously that doesn't happen overnight.
1:07:28
So like how have you you got to that point?
1:07:31
It's come from consistency. Is come from hard, work is come
1:07:35
from, you know. Using every challenge that went
1:07:40
through to just you know develop a very strong thick skin.
1:07:46
You know just saying you know what I've been through so much
1:07:50
lost money. It's time for me to smash it now
1:07:54
because I am because the first ten years I didn't have that
1:07:58
sort of breakthroughs that I have now I didn't I did never
1:08:02
develop myself. I never had a conversation with
1:08:05
other business entrepreneurs who are doing well.
1:08:08
So, I talked to my comfort zone. So the difference now is, you
1:08:13
know, way back. I never had.
1:08:14
I never had friends who had Millions.
1:08:16
I never had a friend that I can look him as though he's a
1:08:18
millionaire. I'll tell me how you became a
1:08:20
millionaire and we have a million answer the conversation.
1:08:23
So I was in a situation whereby probably had a business.
1:08:26
I had a business of 550,000 pounds and probably the people
1:08:30
who I was leveling up with where people, you know, no disrespect
1:08:34
to anyone. But if you want to become a
1:08:36
millionaire, All right, you've got to find yourself for
1:08:39
millionaires. So you can become the fifth
1:08:41
millionaire. If you want to become
1:08:44
successful, you go find yourself for successful people.
1:08:47
So you can become the fifth successful person if you want to
1:08:50
become the. If you want to be positive, you
1:08:53
go find yourself for so successful for positive people,
1:08:56
and you become the fifth. So, these were just actions that
1:09:00
I took invested heavily into my personal developments and
1:09:05
non-stop to today, tie. I still have I have two mentors
1:09:09
who, you know, and who currently mentors me?
1:09:13
Helps me out when I'm down, or when I'm when I'm high, whether
1:09:16
it is just need someone to help you.
1:09:18
You know someone who understand where you're coming from.
1:09:21
So those are those, are we what I've been able to use to build a
1:09:25
business in, in, in the images of millions now because, you
1:09:29
know, you can't do it all by yourself, you can't.
1:09:33
You need people, you need coaching, you need people to To
1:09:38
lift you up when you're down, you know, and you've got to go
1:09:41
to the right person for the right advice.
1:09:42
You can't go to the wrong person for advice.
1:09:45
A lot of people go to the wrong person for the, for the right
1:09:48
advice, which is one of these that I did do, you know, during
1:09:51
those times where I was going through those challenges, I went
1:09:55
for the wrong people for the ride.
1:09:56
Vice, I also believed in myself for my, for me to advise me, but
1:10:01
obviously, then at that time other than the fact that I
1:10:04
listen to myself, which sometimes I give credits to go,
1:10:08
I did not really go to people for help.
1:10:10
I didn't reach out for help. So this time around, I reached
1:10:14
out for help. So lessons, learned from
1:10:17
everything that I went through the past, I used it positively
1:10:21
now. And this is world's not helped
1:10:23
me build a business over the last couple of dinners over the
1:10:27
last four years. So, yes, it doesn't happen
1:10:30
overnight for you to just jump from an Uber driver to building
1:10:33
a business such as mind, which is not, valid over two million
1:10:36
pounds, okay? Yeah, it doesn't happen
1:10:40
overnight takes a lot of hard work but just have a goal.
1:10:45
Make them down. Alright, have a vision don't
1:10:51
deprive yourself from consistently reviewing that
1:10:53
Vision. All right and take take one step
1:10:57
at a time and trust me with the right environment with the right
1:11:01
guidance with the rights Drive resilience You know,
1:11:06
understanding that nothing called success happens overnight
1:11:10
and remember, it's A build-up just how we've been talking on
1:11:13
this podcast because there's been a buildup of getting to
1:11:16
where we are. Now that is just like, it's a
1:11:18
process of Brick by Brick one brick at a time.
1:11:21
One brick at a time, one brick at a time, and trust me.
1:11:24
Success is in front of every everyone.
1:11:28
In agree more. Yeah, when you when you were
1:11:31
talking the you mentioned that you stomp sometimes still get
1:11:35
mentored by other people, but you also offer mentoring
1:11:39
services. So, talk to us a little bit
1:11:40
about what you actually offer in that regard and how people can
1:11:43
benefit from that. Well like I said, we when I
1:11:48
start a property with estate, one of the things that I did
1:11:51
really well was I documented my journey in front of social media
1:11:55
from nothing to being where I am now.
1:11:57
So if you probably go through But my Instagram or my Facebook,
1:12:01
you see how it literally just documented, everything.
1:12:03
So I started documenting everything in 2017 into 2018 and
1:12:10
a daily part of 2019. A lot of people who had their
1:12:14
own events that are reaching out to me to come and share my
1:12:17
journey to inspire motivate other people.
1:12:20
And I would go to networking events.
1:12:22
I remember my very first networking event where I was
1:12:25
invited with this amazing lady. She's the founder of Of property
1:12:29
pillars. So she invited me over to come
1:12:31
and speak in her events. And I remember going to all the
1:12:35
networking event Lucien property me because I'm business out of
1:12:38
London and different types of networking events.
1:12:40
And these people invite me to just come and share the energy
1:12:43
behind my website, investing in what I'm doing.
1:12:46
And I started to do that. And every time I went to speak,
1:12:50
people will reach out to me and say, Daniel, what is it that you
1:12:55
do? Can I sit down with you for an
1:12:56
hour or two to pick your brain? My pay you for it, and people
1:13:02
started planting it just people said, okay, I'll pick you up.
1:13:05
You know, let's go for a meal. I want to pick your brain.
1:13:08
I'll pay for the meal is on me. Daddy.
1:13:10
Let's go for coffee. The coffee is only Daniel, you
1:13:13
know, I thought my, you know, paying for a drink and I started
1:13:16
receiving gifts like that. So I remember, you know, I went
1:13:19
for either. I had, I had gone to a coffee
1:13:22
meeting to, to sit down with someone, and I give them some
1:13:26
very serious tip. Not get, which I didn't even
1:13:28
know. I was doing for three days
1:13:30
later. They went and secure the
1:13:31
property and he literally said care.
1:13:33
I want to see you and he came to my house and literally brought
1:13:36
me a bottle of Dom Perignon and Allah.
1:13:40
Wow! Is that those things?
1:13:41
You said it worked and I just wanted to come and say thank
1:13:44
you. And obviously, I was investing
1:13:47
in my property journey and I started to reach out now for
1:13:52
mindset, coaches mindset, trainers, personal development
1:13:57
coaches. Stuff you know, just you name
1:13:59
your side which now and I and in 2019 towards the middle of the
1:14:06
year, I decided to say, you know what, instead of me going to
1:14:09
other peoples event to speak all the time, why don't I host my
1:14:12
own network? I launched a networking event
1:14:14
called the rent to rent property Network, which was which is
1:14:18
focused on talking on the focusing on discussing topics
1:14:23
like just controlling other people's property which was rent
1:14:26
the rent. We launched that in September.
1:14:28
19 and I remember our first event, we had about 50 people in
1:14:32
the room s event in October where the by 102 third events in
1:14:37
November where the bomb was 250 people in the room.
1:14:41
And at that point of time, we decided to launch our training
1:14:45
program. So I launched it and we had our
1:14:48
first boot camp which was a two days training bootcamp and
1:14:51
Central London. We launched it and we had about
1:14:53
five or six people in attendance.
1:14:57
And two thousand and that same year, I met my, my current
1:15:02
mental Adams thought he's done over 60 million pounds in sales
1:15:07
on social media. I reached out to him and I went
1:15:11
to this event and we started talking, I just shared my
1:15:13
journey. He just said, Daniel, you've got
1:15:15
so much to help other people like yourself or other people.
1:15:18
You have so much in you that you can actually not only.
1:15:22
Let's forget about the monetization part, but you have
1:15:26
so much. You that just listen to you.
1:15:28
I feel so inspired. I'm like whoa, you know other
1:15:32
really and it's like there are some, there are lots of limiting
1:15:36
beliefs here and I can see because it's where you're coming
1:15:39
from. They are things you've dipped
1:15:41
their pains that you've been through and we need to unlock
1:15:43
them. And yeah, we had a sit-down and
1:15:46
he took me into this craziest place like he just motivated
1:15:50
multi and he took me to this really big place in terms of
1:15:55
mentally Where initially what we got in that?
1:15:59
Need that Mentor room. It was so dark, that it was no
1:16:01
light, and eventually, he led me to see my own life and the light
1:16:06
shine so brightly. And I said, wow, I'm ready to
1:16:10
rock and roll and guess what 2020.
1:16:12
I found a property worth of education, and just between that
1:16:16
2019 to now, we've trained over 100.
1:16:21
Currently, we've got those that those that have been through our
1:16:24
training program, we've got we've Mac.
1:16:27
We've got massive success. We have, we run a mentorship
1:16:29
program those that go through, 60, 80 percent, or 60 percent of
1:16:34
those have been through the training program, they've had
1:16:37
success. 80% of those who have been through my mentorship
1:16:40
program, which is a minimum of 6 months to 12 months program.
1:16:44
Currently actually achieving success, the testimonials are
1:16:47
crazy. And I just look back and I'm
1:16:49
like, Oh my days, like, you know, I'm I just feel so humbled
1:16:54
just feel so happy that. People who never told they can
1:16:58
get started in property. You know, are getting started in
1:17:01
property. One of our, one of my student,
1:17:03
Nick, I feel like I feel started in, you know, he was also an
1:17:06
Uber driver. He saw he listens to, my Uber
1:17:09
driver story and he reached out to me, and he became one of my
1:17:12
clients and Nick started his journey last year in.
1:17:17
He's not built a business. Generating, almost 100,000
1:17:20
pounds already with six properties in his portfolio.
1:17:24
We go the likes of evidence. We We got so many people who've
1:17:28
been able to just literally, you know, stuff from nothing and
1:17:32
taking on properties that they don't own and generating cash
1:17:35
flow obviously doing the right. We're doing it legal way and you
1:17:39
know, you know, helping them their family out, you know, and
1:17:42
getting started in property. So we do offer a lot of coaching
1:17:46
around mindsets to winning and properties.
1:17:49
Getting started in property building a life of your dream
1:17:52
through property. One of these, I don't sell is
1:17:54
the get to each week analogy. Of of it.
1:17:57
I don't sell that it is you need to bring your heart, you need to
1:18:02
bring your shoes, your boots, you needed everything that you
1:18:06
have. You need to bring it to work.
1:18:08
If you really want to be successful, in property is not a
1:18:10
three-month get which we scheme. It took me 12 months to quit my
1:18:14
job. It took me three years to build
1:18:17
a personal portfolio of over 1.5 million with a business of two
1:18:22
million. It's not taking me one or two,
1:18:24
three years, taken me four years, to be where I am now.
1:18:27
So it's it's it's a it's a it's a journey of the Brave.
1:18:32
It's not for the faint-hearted, you know.
1:18:34
So yeah, anyone can actually get started in property.
1:18:37
So those are the those are the things that we offer our
1:18:39
property of Education. We helped to motivate.
1:18:41
We hope to inspire we help to to destroy the limiting belief that
1:18:46
people have. We really crush it like limited
1:18:49
live. You have to crush it.
1:18:50
It's not store your best friend. You have to destroy, you know.
1:18:54
So we help people eliminate that limiting belief because I Suffer
1:18:57
from it, myself and over the course of years, having mentors
1:19:00
has actually helped me so much, you know, to do that.
1:19:03
So, yeah, so that's what we do. Property of Education.
1:19:07
Excellent, thank you for sharing now.
1:19:11
I ask my guests a lot and they always gets a different
1:19:13
response, but I'd love to hear what you have to say.
1:19:17
What's the biggest life lesson that you've learned so far, the
1:19:23
biggest life lesson is no matter how much you get knocked down.
1:19:26
I don't stay there. No matter what it is, no matter
1:19:31
how many times you get knocked down, as you can share through
1:19:34
my eyes, you can see it through my, through my journey, you
1:19:37
know, I wanted a better life came to England.
1:19:41
It didn't happen. We look at about Nigeria, went
1:19:44
back to start a business, got knocked down, came back to the
1:19:46
UK again and felt depressed, felt lost, you know, no matter
1:19:52
what you go through, if you think you've already met your
1:19:55
end, remember this, the end? You actually your beginning, you
1:20:01
know, don't stay there. Don't give up.
1:20:04
Don't say, oh, it's finished because the universe believes
1:20:10
in. You the God who created you
1:20:11
beliefs in, you depend, whatever you believe in.
1:20:14
You didn't, you're not. There is no such thing as, you
1:20:18
know, like I said, I said I was useless.
1:20:21
I felt useless. Don't ever use those words on
1:20:24
yourself because he's just faces of your life.
1:20:28
You know, life challenges is there to help you grow become a
1:20:33
better, you to make you a better person, it's not to wear you
1:20:38
down, so no matter what you fight for, even even health
1:20:41
challenges don't be down, you know, rise up to that challenges
1:20:46
and fight and don't stop no matter what.
1:20:50
It's an excellent message. Couldn't agree.
1:20:52
More. Do you have any final thoughts?
1:20:57
Or maybe some upcoming projects that you'd like to share with
1:20:59
us? Yes, I'm actually feeling so
1:21:02
excited in 2000 and 2009 seen actually started a journal
1:21:06
writing my first book. Oh, okay.
1:21:09
Congrats I put on hold for some reason.
1:21:11
I just literally finish writing it for.
1:21:13
I just felt like you know what I really see at the right time a
1:21:16
couple of time. I tried to release it but I felt
1:21:18
it wasn't a proper time for Now really, really fired up because
1:21:21
it is the proper time to casually release the book.
1:21:24
So I'm looking to release in that book, fingers crossed.
1:21:30
Before the end of April and we actually releasing a podcast as
1:21:35
well is called the property wealth, and business podcast is
1:21:40
going to be launched next week. Excellent, it'll be launched
1:21:44
next week. So I'm really, really super
1:21:46
fired up. I'm so excited, I can't wait to
1:21:49
launch the podcast. I can't wait to launch the book,
1:21:52
so those are the current projects that I'm really, really
1:21:54
looking forward to at the minute.
1:21:56
Yeah. And also looking at The, you
1:22:00
know, spreading my message, my journey, my story to inspire to
1:22:05
motivate, you know, anyone at all of any ethnicity you know,
1:22:09
that regardless of how many times the life knocks you down.
1:22:13
It is building you for a greater future and you just have to
1:22:16
believe in yourself and believe in it.
1:22:19
The universe will bring it to your doorstep.
1:22:23
Well, it's a massive thank you, Dan you for agreeing to be on
1:22:26
this show. It's been an absolute pleasure.
1:22:29
Speaking, with you learning about your life and I think
1:22:31
that, you know, this episode is really going to serve as a
1:22:36
source of inspiration for many listening, particularly, you
1:22:41
know, in these difficult times. So, G Edge, the massive, thank
1:22:43
you for sharing your story and I wish you all the best.
1:22:47
Thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.
1:22:49
I really appreciate it. Thank you.
1:22:50
It's been a pleasure and for everyone listening Into the
1:22:53
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1:22:55
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1:23:07
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