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Emergency ITB: Examining Short, Long Term Impact Of Eagles QB Jalen Hurts Being Out Rest Of Season · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: Hello everyone. Welcome to another emergency ITB. I am Jeff Mosher.
0:14
Speaker 1: That is Adam Kaplan.
0:16
Speaker 2: And listen, you know, it's that kind of year when
0:17
Speaker 2: you've recorded your third emergency inside the birds podcast, and
0:21
Speaker 2: we aren't even halfway through the season yet, but it
0:25
Speaker 2: is a really dire, uh, obviously Jalen hurts.
0:28
Speaker 1: Most people have heard the news by now.
0:29
Speaker 2: He's going to be out for the rest of the year.
0:32
Speaker 2: There was a joint statement released by his agent, Nicole Lynn,
0:35
Speaker 2: and the organization that basically said follow up exams have
0:40
Speaker 2: revealed that not only did he have the blood clot
0:42
Speaker 2: that moved from the calf, but he has multiple clots
0:46
Speaker 2: in his lungs. It's the medical term is pulmonary emboli,
0:51
Speaker 2: which means multiple blood clots. And he is going to
0:53
Speaker 2: have to undergo be going on blood thinners. And, uh,
0:57
Speaker 2: as we said in our last emergency podcast, you go
0:59
Speaker 2: on blood thinners, you're up for a long time and
1:01
Speaker 2: he will be out for the rest of the year.
1:03
Speaker 1: And Adam, obviously the.
1:04
Speaker 2: First thing is you, uh, you know, it's, it's a
1:07
Speaker 2: treatable condition, but you're always concerned about Jalen Hurts. His
1:10
Speaker 2: mindset is health and welfare and all that. This is
1:13
Speaker 2: obviously the right move for, for him to be out
1:16
Speaker 2: for the rest of the year.
1:17
Speaker 3: Well, it doesn't say that he's out for the rest
1:19
Speaker 3: of the year, but I think we could, the You
1:24
Speaker 3: and I have gone through some issues in our life,
1:26
Speaker 3: you know, from health. I've been on blood thinners once
1:30
Speaker 3: six years ago, and I know what that was like
1:32
Speaker 3: about not having any contact. Couldn't bleed and don't want
1:35
Speaker 3: to go to the emergency room. And then when you
1:36
Speaker 3: talk about, I didn't have what Jalen has. Okay. Just
1:40
Speaker 3: to be clear, when you have both lungs filled with
1:43
Speaker 3: blood and fluid, you're worried. I know you had a condition,
1:48
Speaker 3: which I remember when you called me with it, I
1:49
Speaker 3: was very scared for you. I was very worried.
1:52
Speaker 2: Yep.
1:52
Speaker 3: Thank God that. You were going to be fine, and
1:54
Speaker 3: you were fine. But let's get back to Jalen here.
1:58
Speaker 3: When you get the diagnosis further testing last week, which
2:04
Speaker 3: goes from left calf supravain thrombosis, which still is concerning,
2:11
Speaker 3: but after the testing and the statement, deep vein thrombosis,
2:15
Speaker 3: which is a more serious condition, as well as, and
2:18
Speaker 3: this is what you mentioned, bilateral pulmonary emboli. that is
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Speaker 3: very scary stuff for, and I know there are medical
2:25
Speaker 3: people watching, you know, about this stuff. This is, this
2:27
Speaker 3: is troubling, but I guess the one positive is that
2:32
Speaker 3: based on, uh, the dual statement that the blood thinner
2:36
Speaker 3: should take care of this. Yeah.
2:39
Speaker 1: That's treatable. Not non-surgical.
2:41
Speaker 3: Right. But yeah, it's thank God for, um, his followup.
2:46
Speaker 3: And obviously you have to anyway, cause you have to,
2:48
Speaker 3: you have to monitor it and figure out what's going on,
2:50
Speaker 3: but that's, uh, for our nine years doing this, I
2:54
Speaker 3: don't know what other serious situations we've dealt with being
2:58
Speaker 3: the certain idea of doing this show. I just don't
3:01
Speaker 3: remember anything like this. Maybe even know better. I just
3:03
Speaker 3: don't remember.
3:04
Speaker 2: No, no. Um, I think the only thing I can
3:07
Speaker 2: think of that's closest back in 2008, I think when
3:13
Speaker 2: Mike Patterson had the seizure at training camp and, um,
3:17
Speaker 2: He was diagnosed later with something I'd never heard of
3:19
Speaker 2: called brain AVF, which I don't remember what the AVF,
3:24
Speaker 2: it's arterial something, arterial, something that was not good with
3:29
Speaker 2: his brain, but he had to miss a significant amount
3:31
Speaker 2: of time, but eventually did come back.
3:33
Speaker 1: That was scarier because he had a seizure in the
3:35
Speaker 1: middle of training camp. You alluded to my experience.
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Speaker 2: I talked about it in the last podcast where I
3:40
Speaker 2: was misdiagnosed with what Dylan Hertz was diagnosed with. which
3:44
Speaker 2: is a pulmonary embolism in my lung, right? And it
3:47
Speaker 2: was a misdiagnosis. But the point was before they discovered
3:51
Speaker 2: that it was a misdiagnosis, when they thought I have one,
3:53
Speaker 2: I had every specialist under the sun at the hospital
3:57
Speaker 2: coming to visit me, which is scary. And what I
4:00
Speaker 2: was told was, and I think this is exactly what
4:02
Speaker 2: applies to Jalen, is the biggest medical fear when you
4:05
Speaker 2: have a pulmonary embolism in your lung is that it
4:08
Speaker 2: can very easily move up into your brain and cause
4:11
Speaker 2: either a stroke or a cerebral hemorrhage, which is obviously life-threatening.
4:15
Speaker 2: And so that is why it is so serious. And
4:17
Speaker 2: that is why he's on a blood thinner, but he
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Speaker 2: is expected to make, according to the statement, a good
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Speaker 2: and full recovery while he is out.
4:25
Speaker 1: I'll say this, Adam, because.
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Speaker 2: We're not doctors. We'll move on and talk about what
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Speaker 2: this means. But I want to be very careful in
4:31
Speaker 2: how I phrase this. I don't believe the Eagles have
4:33
Speaker 2: ever been nefarious with their players and their health. I
4:37
Speaker 2: think they always look to make the best decisions for
4:39
Speaker 2: the players and their health. I think injuries are complicated
4:43
Speaker 2: because there's that gray area of when a guy is Hurt,
4:46
Speaker 2: but still says he can play.
4:48
Speaker 1: For example, Landon Dickerson, Cam Juergens, right?
4:51
Speaker 2: You, you, you get medical clearance. Doesn't mean you're a
4:53
Speaker 2: hundred percent. And then it's up to the player to
4:56
Speaker 2: decide with that feedback. And then the team to decide
5:00
Speaker 2: if they want to play a guy, but the reporting
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Speaker 2: that Jalen hurts was not, was told by doctors to
5:06
Speaker 2: stay awake because if you lay down and if you're stationary,
5:10
Speaker 2: that thing has a better chance to move. The reporting
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Speaker 2: that he was awake for 36 hours before he played
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Speaker 2: in London was is chilling to me and a little scary.
5:18
Speaker 2: And I think that I put that both on the
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Speaker 2: organization and Jalen, if he's saying, Hey, I can do
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Speaker 2: it to, to.
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Speaker 1: Have cooler heads prevail next time.
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Speaker 2: Like that might've been more risky than they realized at
5:30
Speaker 2: the time. And I think it's fair to say you
5:32
Speaker 2: got to step back sometimes and look at the bigger picture.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And I, I know that, um, the thing with
5:39
Speaker 3: the condition is, uh, SOB means short, shortness of breath
5:43
Speaker 3: like that. You should always report to your doctor.
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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
5:47
Speaker 3: Because you're talking about a heart attack, potential heart attack, stroke,
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Speaker 3: whatever the case may be. And I don't know what
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Speaker 3: kept Jalen up. We don't know. I mean, we don't
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Speaker 3: know what he was, you know, how he was feeling.
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Speaker 3: But the reason why I'm bringing up shortness of breath,
6:00
Speaker 3: doing a little research on what he's dealing with, that
6:03
Speaker 3: is a common side effect of dealing with this, a
6:07
Speaker 3: common symptom, excuse me, of dealing with these conditions. You've
6:10
Speaker 3: got to be careful, man. Your health is always more
6:12
Speaker 3: important than sports, man. Yeah. You know, he's, it's, you know,
6:17
Speaker 3: Cole Lynn, she's also an attorney. I don't know if
6:19
Speaker 3: she's still practicing. She knows what she, an agent or
6:21
Speaker 3: she is an agent. She was an attorney at one point.
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Speaker 3: So she, you know, you know about getting second opinions
6:27
Speaker 3: and so forth, but yeah, this one's a little, it's
6:31
Speaker 3: a little strange, say the least that, that he was
6:34
Speaker 3: allowed to play, but they had better medical information than
6:36
Speaker 3: we do. So there's what it is. And he, he's
6:38
Speaker 3: got to tell him how he feels.
6:40
Speaker 2: Yeah.
6:41
Speaker 3: He's got, and with the, the initial, diagnosis of superficial
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Speaker 3: vein thrombosis. That is a clot. Okay. Of some sort. Yeah.
6:53
Speaker 3: But it's superficial and you don't want to let it
6:56
Speaker 3: go any further. It's kind of sort of wait and see,
6:59
Speaker 3: you don't want it to turn into anything and who
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Speaker 3: knows what, what happened over a series of days, but he's.
7:05
Speaker 1: Going to be okay.
7:06
Speaker 3: He's going to be okay. Thank goodness. You know, it's
7:08
Speaker 3: a football is way more, it's way more to the
7:12
Speaker 3: side to real life. And, you know, I think everybody
7:16
Speaker 3: kind of learned through this is a pretty serious situation.
7:18
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
7:19
Speaker 2: Now, the question that we have, the multiple questions we
7:23
Speaker 2: have is how does this impact the team for both
7:26
Speaker 2: the short term and the long term? Obviously, the short
7:29
Speaker 2: term is Tanner McKee is your backup quarterback. He's the
7:32
Speaker 2: starter now. He's QB1 the rest of the way. I
7:34
Speaker 2: think you and I both imagined by maybe as early
7:37
Speaker 2: as Monday night's game against the Cowboys, Joe Milton will
7:39
Speaker 2: be QB2 with Cole Payton still a developmental project.
7:44
Speaker 1: We'll see on that. But it is the Tanner McKee show.
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Speaker 2: And to me, Adam, that opens up a Pandora's box
7:49
Speaker 2: of questions about what you do with your offense going forward.
7:53
Speaker 2: The whole idea of this year was to integrate offense.
7:55
Speaker 2: a new offense with Jalen Hurts being the lead part
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Speaker 2: of it. Tanner McKee is a free agent at the
8:00
Speaker 2: end of the year, so he may not have even
8:03
Speaker 2: factored into long-term plans. So do you change your offense
8:07
Speaker 2: to better fit Tanner and the other injuries that you
8:10
Speaker 2: currently have? Do you hope that when you get healthier
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Speaker 2: up front and Saquon Barkley gets back that you just
8:16
Speaker 2: run the offense you've been trying to run with a
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Speaker 2: different trigger man? To me, there's just so many questions,
8:21
Speaker 2: and so many of them are health-related, and you just
8:24
Speaker 2: don't know if the Eagles will ever be at full
8:27
Speaker 2: strength in the other positions as the season goes on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, now that you have this information, you knew he
8:35
Speaker 3: was going to miss a minute of four games anyway. Hurts.
8:38
Speaker 3: Now that he's out, theoretically, for the season, you know,
8:42
Speaker 3: you now have, and being this next game is a
8:45
Speaker 3: week from today, next Monday night, at home against the Cowboys.
8:49
Speaker 3: Kind of know where you're at. You know what his
8:51
Speaker 3: strengths are, his limitations are, his weaknesses are. And you
8:54
Speaker 3: coach around that. Yeah, the scheme is not going to change.
8:57
Speaker 1: Right.
8:57
Speaker 3: Terminology is not going to change. You're one on West Coast.
8:59
Speaker 3: But you tailor that playbook, whatever it is, whatever it
9:04
Speaker 3: looks like, to what he does best. Yep. Now, this
9:08
Speaker 3: is where Sirianni has been with Tanner McKee, obviously, since
9:12
Speaker 3: he started. You have an offense coordinator that's new here.
9:16
Speaker 3: This is his first season. You saw him obviously in OTAs,
9:19
Speaker 3: training camp, and the preseason. And the quarterback's coach has
9:24
Speaker 3: been here for a couple seasons. So most of these
9:27
Speaker 3: guys know him pretty well, and they know what his
9:29
Speaker 3: strengths are. So you've got to start coaching to it.
9:32
Speaker 3: We talked about in the postgame, show some of the
9:34
Speaker 3: mistakes in terms of, okay, what are you doing to
9:36
Speaker 3: get this guy comfortable and accurate? Well, they couldn't block
9:39
Speaker 3: early on. They couldn't protect. But he's a drop-back passer.
9:42
Speaker 3: How are you going to do that? Are you going
9:43
Speaker 3: to have him under center more? He wasn't under center
9:45
Speaker 3: very much. When he was, it was terrible. Yep. We've
9:48
Speaker 3: talked about the predictability of they do the number show
9:52
Speaker 3: when he's understood when the quarterbacks under center, whether it's
9:54
Speaker 3: Hertz or McKee, here's what it looks like. Not good. Okay.
9:58
Speaker 3: The run game is atrocious. I don't know what you're
10:02
Speaker 3: going to do now until Barkley returns. And quite frankly,
10:05
Speaker 3: they're still playing three backup offensive linemen.
10:08
Speaker 1: Right.
10:09
Speaker 3: That's not getting any better. So that's not on the coaches.
10:14
Speaker 3: It's on the coaches to coach around it and do
10:15
Speaker 3: a better job. Yes. But they don't control personnel. And
10:19
Speaker 3: they're in a tough way right now. This is not
10:22
Speaker 3: what anyone anticipated. No one anticipated Lane Johnson to retire suddenly.
10:27
Speaker 3: No one anticipated them. And it's their control, though. They
10:29
Speaker 3: had control over trading Cam Juergens. Yep. Although I think
10:32
Speaker 3: we all know they got a great value on it
10:34
Speaker 3: because he's clearly a declining player. Then with Landon Dickerson, okay,
10:40
Speaker 3: friendly fire gets hurt in practice. He gets hurt. He
10:43
Speaker 3: bruises his knee. Bone bruise. He bruises his knee. He's
10:46
Speaker 3: still out. We'll see about that. if he's able to
10:49
Speaker 3: start taking work with starters. So they've got a problem.
10:52
Speaker 3: I mean, they've got– they're in a crisis. The only
10:55
Speaker 3: upside of this thing is the division's terrible. They can
10:58
Speaker 3: get in by winning the division. No, they're eventually going
11:00
Speaker 3: to get Barkley back, right? Big B back in the
11:02
Speaker 3: second half of the season. They've got to force it.
11:07
Speaker 3: They're past our groups intact. They're there. You can't complain
11:12
Speaker 3: about that. They're back. Smitty's back. So could McKee– to
11:15
Speaker 3: move this forward here, could McKee– Play way better. The
11:19
Speaker 3: coach has got to get this done here with McKee.
11:21
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Speaker 2: But I mean, look at what the Eagles have become.
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Speaker 2: potential really is over the next few weeks going.
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Speaker 2: You would have to think if things continue to go south,
15:49
Speaker 2: they will be big sellers at the deadline.
15:51
Speaker 3: Yes, it's funny you said that because it's been on
15:54
Speaker 3: my mind because that's not the way Howie Roseman does business. Right.
15:58
Speaker 3: But he's also not been in this position very much
16:00
Speaker 3: in his career. And you got to do what you
16:02
Speaker 3: got to do. And we'll talk about some of the
16:05
Speaker 3: names that will draw interest. Two or three of them
16:09
Speaker 3: in particular will absolutely draw interest because they're on expiring deals.
16:13
Speaker 3: They're still good football players, but they're not there yet.
16:16
Speaker 3: Because you still have on defense, Ojomo. We'll see about
16:19
Speaker 3: Jordan Davis' ankle injury. It didn't look good. Carter. Grenard's
16:22
Speaker 3: got to get his ankle right, but when he's been
16:24
Speaker 3: healthy this season, he's played well. Vaughn is a stud.
16:28
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16:33
Speaker 3: DeGene not having the season that we expect, but he's
16:35
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16:38
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16:42
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16:45
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16:47
Speaker 3: do that.
16:48
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. It's going to be an interesting
16:50
Speaker 2: next few weeks for the future of the franchise, both
16:53
Speaker 2: long-term and short-term. And remember, this was even a year
16:56
Speaker 2: of– I mean, you'll have to wonder how Howie and
17:00
Speaker 2: Jeffrey– Lurie will evaluate this year and what that means
17:04
Speaker 2: for evaluating Nick, what it means for evaluating Sean Mannion,
17:08
Speaker 2: what it means for the quarterback situation and the contract,
17:11
Speaker 2: because we know Jalen Hurts was, I think out of
17:14
Speaker 2: his guaranteed money after the, or at least the majority
17:16
Speaker 2: of it.
17:16
Speaker 3: After next season, but it drops significantly next season.
17:20
Speaker 1: Correct.
17:21
Speaker 3: Not that there's no, there's zero chance they would ever
17:23
Speaker 3: cut him. Trading is a different story. That's a conversation
17:26
Speaker 3: for another time.
17:27
Speaker 2: Right.
17:27
Speaker 3: But the situation now is you make a good point.
17:32
Speaker 3: Nick has never missed the playoffs, but the one thing
17:35
Speaker 3: that's going to be damning, knowing the way Jeffrey is,
17:38
Speaker 3: they have a– he's all about the passing game.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
17:43
Speaker 3: The regression in the passing game started 23. Okay, 23, horrendous.
17:47
Speaker 3: Let's put it this way. Wildly inconsistent. It cost Brian
17:50
Speaker 3: Johnson his job. Yes. 24 was not good.
17:54
Speaker 2: Right.
17:54
Speaker 3: The running game saved him. Okay, best running game in
17:56
Speaker 3: NFL history from beginning to end. Yep. 25, horrendous. 26, horrendous.
18:01
Speaker 3: How long is Jeffrey going to put up with this bleep?
18:03
Speaker 2: I agree with you. You know, Jeffrey is on record
18:05
Speaker 2: as saying that 2024, he was fine with because they
18:09
Speaker 2: were explosive, because he likes explosive offenses.
18:12
Speaker 1: It wasn't explosive pass. They got explosive run. He was
18:14
Speaker 1: fine with that. But now you're neither. Now you're neither.
18:17
Speaker 1: Now forget explosive.
18:18
Speaker 2: You would just love to get a nice first down
18:20
Speaker 2: run that gets you four to five freaking yards, right?
18:23
Speaker 1: I mean, they are the opposite of functional offense. Right now.
18:26
Speaker 1: And you're right.
18:27
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Lurie will not have patience for that. But at
18:29
Speaker 2: the same time, he and Howie and Nick, that was
18:31
Speaker 2: their decision. It was their decision to go this way
18:34
Speaker 2: in terms of going with a novice play caller. And
18:37
Speaker 2: you have to expect sometimes you're going to get bit.
18:38
Speaker 1: By the injury bug. So that's got to be a
18:40
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18:41
Speaker 2: And yeah, I think, you know, we'll get a good
18:44
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18:48
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18:49
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18:52
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18:54
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18:56
Speaker 1: See what that does. But it feels like you're a
18:58
Speaker 1: long way from being where you want to be.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. On the health standpoint, it's not just one side
19:04
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Speaker 2: It's both. Yeah.
19:06
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Now your quarterback conceivably most likely is
19:10
Speaker 3: out for the rest of the season, even if by
19:11
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19:15
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19:18
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19:20
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19:24
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19:27
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19:29
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19:37
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Speaker 1: Might come back, but we have no idea.
22:20
Speaker 2: And I'm almost leaning toward the fact that you're probably
22:23
Speaker 2: not getting Pro Bowl land in Dickerson.
22:25
Speaker 3: Of course you're not.
22:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're not.
22:27
Speaker 2: Remember, he was, before all this stuff, he was sort
22:30
Speaker 2: of the biggest liability on the offense. And then he
22:34
Speaker 2: went out and then all these other injuries. So even
22:37
Speaker 2: if he comes back, it's still a big question mark
22:39
Speaker 2: for them.
22:39
Speaker 3: No, remember with him, he confirmed on WIP. Because we
22:43
Speaker 3: knew the first, when did he get hurt? I forget.
22:46
Speaker 3: I mean, he got hurt.
22:47
Speaker 1: He got hurt week one. Yeah, week one.
22:48
Speaker 3: Right. Well, he was already dealing with the bone bruise,
22:52
Speaker 3: but he played through it. Nobody knew that. Right. And
22:55
Speaker 3: he gave it out on WIP and what he was
22:57
Speaker 3: dealing with. You just don't know, I mean, what he
23:00
Speaker 3: can be when he comes back. They're in a tough way, man.
23:05
Speaker 3: You're looking for what could they build on while the
23:07
Speaker 3: defense is hanging in there. Yep. The past our group's intact.
23:12
Speaker 3: And here's the thing that's really troublesome. And I know
23:15
Speaker 3: pass protection was part of it. Carolina's down to two
23:18
Speaker 3: starting corners. Okay? And the weather conditions were fine.
23:22
Speaker 1: Okay?
23:23
Speaker 3: I know you were at the game. It was a
23:24
Speaker 3: little windy the first half. It had nothing to do
23:25
Speaker 3: with it. You can't even beat backup corners. Like, that's embarrassing.
23:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:31
Speaker 3: You know what? The run game is not going to
23:33
Speaker 3: get better until they get Barkley back. Pierce is a
23:35
Speaker 3: four-string running back. Okay? That's what he is. Okay? He's
23:38
Speaker 3: doing what he can. But you can't even beat backup corners. Yep.
23:44
Speaker 3: Come on, man. You got to be better than that.
23:46
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, look at the Packers. They have had
23:49
Speaker 2: a terrible offensive line all year, and they've had no
23:51
Speaker 2: running game all year. But to their credit, Jordan Love
23:54
Speaker 2: has made the most of Christian Watson, and they made
23:57
Speaker 2: the most of Matthew Gould. They've been able to win
23:59
Speaker 2: games and move the ball. So I can't keep making
24:02
Speaker 2: excuses for the Eagles that they don't have a running
24:03
Speaker 2: game and they have a beat-up offensive line. Not that
24:06
Speaker 2: I'm saying the Packers are anything great, but they've been
24:08
Speaker 2: able to overcome– in their regard, but again, they at
24:10
Speaker 2: least have their starting quarterback.
24:13
Speaker 3: Let's be honest. Johnny Munn has not been probably what
24:15
Speaker 3: the Eagles thought.
24:16
Speaker 1: No, he's has not blocked.
24:18
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's another part of it. Some of the
24:21
Speaker 3: stuff that coaches don't, it's not on them. Some of
24:24
Speaker 3: it is, I'm not absolving anyone front office or the
24:27
Speaker 3: coaching staff. They're kind of in it together here. Yep.
24:30
Speaker 3: I think what we've learned is the quality of the
24:32
Speaker 3: depth of the offensive line is not what anyone thought.
24:34
Speaker 3: Remember they brought in the other Michael Jordan, Yes. There
24:37
Speaker 3: was hope that he, because he's sort of a journeyman
24:39
Speaker 3: guard who started some games. That didn't work. And where
24:43
Speaker 3: was the veteran guard that they brought in? They didn't
24:46
Speaker 3: after that.
24:47
Speaker 2: They did not. They did not.
24:49
Speaker 1: No, a lot of questions.
24:50
Speaker 2: A lot of questions for the Eagles going forward.
24:53
Speaker 1: Adam, unfortunately, probably much fewer answers. We just have to
24:57
Speaker 1: see how things play out.
24:58
Speaker 2: But what we do know is no Jalen Hurts, most
25:01
Speaker 2: likely for the rest of the year, out for the year.
25:03
Speaker 2: And the Tanner McKee show is upon us.
25:06
Speaker 1: For better or for worse.
25:07
Speaker 2: And that is going to do it for this emergency
25:10
Speaker 2: edition of Inside the Birds. We, of course, thank everybody
25:13
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