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5/29/26: Bessent Threatens Kinetic Action, Jill Biden Gaslights, Spencer Pratt Surges, Dr. Adam Hamawy · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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Speaker 3: some Iran updates with Scott Bessett coming out to make
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Speaker 3: Our guest this week is who.
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Speaker 5: Adam Hamaway, who has been on the show before. He
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Speaker 5: people may remember him from when he was serving a
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Speaker 5: volunteer tour in Gaza as a as a surgeon there.
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Speaker 5: He's now uh, he's He's also kind of famous for
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Speaker 5: being the combat surgeon in Iraq who saved Tammy Duckworth's life.
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Speaker 5: She actually credits him also for he had he had
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Speaker 5: him allowed her not to be a triple amputee. He
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Speaker 5: is the leading candidate in a new Jersey congressional race
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Speaker 5: now and Jewish Insider is running a campaign to to
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Speaker 5: call him al Qaeda, and they're teaming up with none
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Speaker 5: of them. Josh gottheimer, so we can talk to him
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Speaker 5: about that as a as the race goes into its
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Speaker 5: final few days. All right, an exciting, jam packed show.
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Speaker 3: But why don't we get to the topic that continues
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Speaker 3: to be the main topic of all of our lives,
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Speaker 3: the Iran War. Scott Besson coming out to give some
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Speaker 3: clarifications on the tolling system.
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Speaker 5: Here, I'll read it for everyone.
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Speaker 3: Scott Besson says the United States government will not tolerate
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Speaker 3: any effort to impose a tolling system in the straight
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Speaker 3: up our moves. Oman in particular should know that the
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Speaker 3: US Treasury will aggressively target any actors involved directly or
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Speaker 3: indirectly in facilitating tolls for the straight and any willing
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Speaker 3: partners will be penalized. All nations should reject outright any
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Speaker 3: efforts by Iran to disrupt the free flow of commerce.
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Speaker 3: Tehran's days of terrorizing the regene and the world are over. Ryan,
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Speaker 3: What is your reaction.
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Speaker 5: The funny thing, of course, is that Trump himself suggests
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Speaker 5: that he would partner with Iran in overseeing a tolling system.
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Speaker 5: So Trump is obviously not opposed to tolls in principle.
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Speaker 5: What Oman also recently reached a bunch of new kind
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Speaker 5: of agreements with ammercial agreements when with Iran, which was
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Speaker 5: seen by a lot of people as Oman and other
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Speaker 5: countries kind of preparing for a post kind of post
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Speaker 5: US hegemonic role in the region. The you know, I
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Speaker 5: think we can expect to have more clarity on whether
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Speaker 5: or not there is an agreement when the markets close tonight.
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Speaker 5: So I think I think Iran in particular is quite nervous.
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Speaker 5: They have say said very publicly that they are they
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Speaker 5: do not trust President Trump. They particularly don't trust his
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Speaker 5: word during the hours that the markets are open. They've
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Speaker 5: said that. They've said that repeatedly, and so you know,
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Speaker 5: Ghllibof has said today, let me see if I can
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Speaker 5: find his his remarks, but effectively he was saying, you know,
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Speaker 5: we'll believe it when we see it. Iran is, you know,
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Speaker 5: prepared to lock in the gains that they made in
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Speaker 5: the war through the negotiating table. But we are, but
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Speaker 5: we continue to be prepared for the resumption of But
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Speaker 5: he said, we will not shoot first, Like, as long
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Speaker 5: as the US doesn't attack us, we're not We're not
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Speaker 5: attacking them. Uh. Iran insists on getting economic relief as
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Speaker 5: a result. You know, in this deal, Trump is trying
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Speaker 5: to figure out how he can release Iranian funds and
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Speaker 5: again there are Iranian funds that we have frozen, how
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Speaker 5: he can release those without it being totally humiliating. So
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Speaker 5: they're trying to find circuitoust roots that the Iranian money
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Speaker 5: can take that eventually gets to Iran. But by the
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Speaker 5: time it gets there, Trump can say I had nothing
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Speaker 5: to do with this money getting there.
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Speaker 4: He can't Mark Levin, yes, can't full Mark.
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Speaker 5: Can't full Mark Levin now. Uh. And so allowing quote unquote,
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Speaker 5: allowing some tolling also gives around some of the economic
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Speaker 5: you know, relief that they want out of this these
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Speaker 5: negotiations by put allowing in quotes, because how are we
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Speaker 5: not going to allow it? Like, what are we going?
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Speaker 5: What is the US going to do to stop it?
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Speaker 5: Like Beson could put out a tweet, But if Iran
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Speaker 5: reaches an agreement with a ship and the ship sends
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Speaker 5: around money and then goes through the strait, we have
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Speaker 5: shown that we don't have a military answer to that.
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Speaker 5: Are we then going to stop that ship and double
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Speaker 5: find them or something. I suppose we could do that,
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Speaker 5: but like that kind of defeats the purpose of opening
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Speaker 5: the strait, which is what which is what Trump really needs.
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Speaker 5: You know, fuel inventories across the world are approaching, you know,
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Speaker 5: the bottom of the barrel. The strategic reserves have been
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Speaker 5: largely been emptied. We are approaching genuine shortage, gas line
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Speaker 5: and crisis territory. So Trump really doesn't have the room
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Speaker 5: to be like, hey, did you charge that guy a
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Speaker 5: toll or not. It's like, in the for the first
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Speaker 5: time since World War Two, it's like, it's not up
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Speaker 5: to the United States. We can have an opinion, that's
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Speaker 5: all it is.
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's up to us if we want
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Speaker 6: to escalate dramatically, right.
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Speaker 5: We can do that, right, But we clearly have decided
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Speaker 5: that we've clearly decided that that's not in our interests
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Speaker 5: because that doesn't stop them from like, more war doesn't
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Speaker 5: open the straight, more war closes the strait the fucking straight, ye,
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Speaker 5: you crazy bastards.
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Speaker 6: So Scott Pessant, well, Carolyn lovit's on attorney leave. It
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Speaker 6: started with obviously Mark Rubio doing a briefing, Then jad
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Speaker 6: Vance did a briefing the Vice President of the United States,
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Speaker 6: and now we had Scott Bessett, Treasury Secretary, doing a
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Speaker 6: briefing yesterday and Griffin he was peppered with all kinds
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Speaker 6: of questions about what the heck is actually happening with
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Speaker 6: this deal and Oman now being at the center of
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Speaker 6: the Straight of Hormuz conversation. We have a little bit here,
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Speaker 6: a besent getting pressed on it.
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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.
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Speaker 3: Yesterday, also at the Cabinet meeting, President Trump said, Oman
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Speaker 3: will behave just like everybody else where.
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Speaker 5: We will have to blow them up.
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Speaker 3: Are you guys back there in the West Wing making
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Speaker 3: plans for a new war with Oman?
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Speaker 7: Again? I think the President wanted to punctuate freedom and
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Speaker 7: navigation in the street. I had a call with the
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Speaker 7: Omani ambassador this morning and He assured me that there
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Speaker 7: were no plans for tolling the straight. As he said,
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Speaker 7: our countries have had two hundred years of good relations.
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Speaker 7: He wants to have another two hundred more.
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Speaker 5: And I told him that this was.
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Speaker 7: A non starter and he did not want to risk
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Speaker 7: either the Omani individuals or Omani financial institutions the getting.
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Speaker 5: Sanctioned now question for both of you.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of talk about removing Iran's nuclear dust
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Speaker 3: and not being the top priority, but it almost seems
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Speaker 3: to me like control of the Strait is an even
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Speaker 3: bigger card for Iran that they wouldn't want to give up.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so. I think there's been you know,
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Speaker 5: they've spent decades with their kind of nuclear program being
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Speaker 5: at the center of their kind of national identity and
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Speaker 5: the middle of these negotiations like this was always they
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Speaker 5: always saw this as their ticket, something that they would
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Speaker 5: trade away to get the kind of Iranian revolution kind
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Speaker 5: of recognized as a as a part of the kind
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Speaker 5: of world order. Like they just they wanted to be
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Speaker 5: treated like any other country, and they and some people
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Speaker 5: some people within Iran thought build this program and then
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Speaker 5: will trade it away in order to get recognized but
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Speaker 5: you're right that what what what the US has allowed
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Speaker 5: to be to happen is something that they couldn't really
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Speaker 5: have done without a US attack, because if they just
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden belligerently and offensively took military control
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Speaker 5: of the Strait of her moves, like the world would
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Speaker 5: lose its mind and you'd have an actual like coalition
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Speaker 5: of the willing that would include like China rush it,
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Speaker 5: Like everybody'd be like no, no, no, no, no, you're not
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Speaker 5: doing this. And so it was only them getting attacked.
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Speaker 5: They kind of enabled them to make that move. But
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Speaker 5: now now that they have that bird in hand, I
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Speaker 5: think you're correct that it's actually more powerful in a
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Speaker 5: lot of ways than a nuclear threat because it's a
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Speaker 5: threat you can actually follow through on. Like Russia's got nukes,
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Speaker 5: they'd love to be nuking Europe right now, but they
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Speaker 5: can't because it's just it's uncivilized, and also there's wind,
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Speaker 5: like you can't do that and they might get nuke themselves.
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Speaker 5: So like, but Iran can do this to the Strait,
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Speaker 5: and so I think, yeah, I think you're right. I
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Speaker 5: think it gives them a lot more leeway now. I
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Speaker 5: think it might be hard for them to get to
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Speaker 5: the place of recognizing that it's not that it's not
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Speaker 5: an issue of pride anymore. You can you can, you
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Speaker 5: can move away from that and move to this.
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Speaker 6: What do you say, Well, I was just gonna say,
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Speaker 6: I mean they might get nukes themselves as the real
10:44
Speaker 6: key because same thing with the same thing goes with Israel.
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Speaker 4: The civility question, I think is out the window.
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Speaker 6: It's actually what we see is these different countries doing
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Speaker 6: everything up to the brink basically of re shattering the
10:57
Speaker 6: nuclear taboo, and that results in the is You know,
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Speaker 6: I'm the opposite of somebody who believes in nuclear perparation,
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Speaker 6: So that's not what I'm arguing for here. But that
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Speaker 6: is the why I think we see so many of
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Speaker 6: these protracted conflicts, and many of them proxy conflicts in
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Speaker 6: the last eighty years of human history, is that it's
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Speaker 6: just barbarism, protracted barbarism because of the nuclear shadow that
11:23
Speaker 6: hangs over everyone.
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Speaker 5: And Emily, you also put this other one in from.
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Speaker 3: The Axios reported deal here, is that what you wanted
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Speaker 3: to get to next?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and yeah, let's talk about this a little bit,
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Speaker 6: because there was another Axios deal meltdown yesterday and Ryan
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Speaker 6: and Dropsite was following this really closely. This is New
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Speaker 6: York Post reporter saying the access reported deal Trump is
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Speaker 6: considering is basically the same in Iranian media yesterday at
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Speaker 6: the White House, denied just dressed up in different clothes.
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Speaker 6: I'm told each side has to sell it to their
11:52
Speaker 6: own people, and the international audience gets caught in the middle.
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Speaker 6: Then Besant came in once again from this White House briefing,
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Speaker 6: and I think we can pull this up as well.
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Speaker 6: Griffin of him commenting on the deal. I love Ryan's
12:06
Speaker 6: market hours framework. It's a lot of sense. But I'm
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Speaker 6: also cures what you made of this RN yesterday, as
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Speaker 6: drops that was covering it closely. Let's take a listen
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Speaker 6: to Treasure Secretary Scott Bessant on the deal with.
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Speaker 7: The Iranian government. We did not have regime change, but
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Speaker 7: we changed the regime, as President Trump.
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Speaker 5: Said at the meeting.
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Speaker 7: As we've said other times, the first layer of leadership
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Speaker 7: was eliminated, the second layer, and we are now at
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Speaker 7: the third.
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Speaker 4: Layer and eliminated.
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Speaker 7: But it is the Iranian government such as it is
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Speaker 7: is three pillars. It is the elected government, it is
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Speaker 7: the IRGC, and it is the clerics, and they are
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Speaker 7: having trouble communicating. So we are being patient. We do
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Speaker 7: not have unlimited patients. President Trump always prefers a peace deal.
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Speaker 7: So everything we have done thus far has been defensive,
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Speaker 7: and at present that is what we will continue doing.
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Speaker 7: But a President Trump doesn't think he can get a
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Speaker 7: piece deal, then Connectic is back.
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Speaker 5: All right, Kinetic is back, So we make of that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Brian, is this a He's he's sort of trying
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Speaker 6: to put the onus on Iranian communication failures for the
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Speaker 6: deal being maybe confusing or muddled or hard to reach.
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Speaker 5: What's yeah, And what's interesting is that Jerry's gay Hill
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Speaker 5: last Friday reported on what Iran had offered in response
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Speaker 5: to the m ou and the Iranian media then confirmed
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Speaker 5: that several days later. And you know, according to Axios,
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Speaker 5: the current kind of deal, as as it's coming together,
13:50
Speaker 5: is very similar to that. So we're now a week
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Speaker 5: into and very little has changed back and back and forth.
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Speaker 5: It's hard to kind of watch this these negotiations unfold
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Speaker 5: and come away with the idea that it's the Iranians
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Speaker 5: who are disorganized. In Trump's press conference yesterday, no, he's
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Speaker 5: he said on the one hand, we have a deal.
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Speaker 5: On the other hand, we don't. He doesn't care if
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Speaker 5: we have a deal. And on the third hand, actually,
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Speaker 5: maybe he'll just go back to war. And then also
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Speaker 5: he's gonna bomb oman So like from the Irunian perspective,
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Speaker 5: it's like, we're not we're not the confused ones here.
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Speaker 5: So I do think that there's a chance that something,
14:29
Speaker 5: you know, it comes together later. But Trump has zero
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Speaker 5: credibility with his kind of interlockerters here on the other side,
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Speaker 5: this is also a guy I remember what is the
14:41
Speaker 5: art of the deal? Fundamentally, what he argues in the
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Speaker 5: art of the deal and what he has practiced throughout
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Speaker 5: his life is that the way that you reach a
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Speaker 5: deal is you give significant concessions to the other side
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Speaker 5: that you have no intention of ever following following through on,
14:58
Speaker 5: and then you break your word and you you don't
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Speaker 5: pay your contract here as the last twenty thirty percent,
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Speaker 5: you don't like, you don't do the thing you said
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Speaker 5: you're going to do, but you pocket the concessions from
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Speaker 5: the other side. Like that is Trump's actual theory of
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Speaker 5: how to do negotiations that he has articulated and that
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Speaker 5: he has effectuated and the Iranians have understand that that's
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Speaker 5: who he is, so they're only going to take things
15:21
Speaker 5: that they can pocket. As they've repeatedly said, words don't
15:25
Speaker 5: matter at this point, like only like serious commitments matter.
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Speaker 5: So but I think we'll know more later today.
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Speaker 3: And Emily, you know one thing that that does seem
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Speaker 3: to strike true from what Beson said there is that
15:39
Speaker 3: we don't have unlimited patients. It does read to me
15:42
Speaker 3: like Trump just does not have the attention span and
15:46
Speaker 3: has grown tired and weary of even thinking about this.
15:49
Speaker 3: I mean, he's a little more focused on building the
15:52
Speaker 3: UFC fight on the lawn of the White House right now,
15:56
Speaker 3: and seems like you'd much rather be talking and focusing
15:59
Speaker 3: on that. So it seems like Besten's out here trying
16:02
Speaker 3: to play clean up, trying to keep some sort of
16:05
Speaker 3: like message standard about what we're doing here, while Trump
16:09
Speaker 3: is sort of mia.
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Speaker 5: What is your read on that right now? And does
16:13
Speaker 5: Trump want.
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Speaker 3: To get a deal before he has his big two
16:16
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty UFC bash.
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Speaker 6: I'm sure he does want to get a deal. I
16:21
Speaker 6: think what is interesting now Trump has relied on cheerleaders,
16:29
Speaker 6: including Mark Levin and others in that same vein to
16:35
Speaker 6: make to do a lot of cleanup on the war
16:39
Speaker 6: in the media. And it's if you imagine, just dream
16:44
Speaker 6: with me here, you're Donald Trump right now, and those
16:47
Speaker 6: same people that you have been really relying on as
16:52
Speaker 6: this war gets even less popular. It's never been a
16:55
Speaker 6: popular war, but as it gets less and less popular,
16:58
Speaker 6: those are the same people that are saying absolutely no
17:02
Speaker 6: to any deal that would include like what we have
17:05
Speaker 6: in this next element, Griffin, this investment fund. I think
17:09
Speaker 6: we can toss this one up on the screen.
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Speaker 5: Yes, this is.
17:15
Speaker 6: I mean he wants to, He badly wants to so
17:19
Speaker 6: here he says, this is a New York Times report,
17:21
Speaker 6: a post war investment fund for Iran. Perhaps the most
17:24
Speaker 6: surprising and apparently recent addition to the agreement is a
17:26
Speaker 6: reference to an investment fund for Iran. The Iranian official
17:29
Speaker 6: and one diplomat put it at three hundred billion dollars,
17:31
Speaker 6: but other officials involved in mediation would not confirm the amount.
17:36
Speaker 6: Iranian official and Iranian official described it as a reconstruction
17:39
Speaker 6: program that would be promised to Iran in the event
17:42
Speaker 6: a final agreement was signed. Earlier in the negotiations, Tehran
17:46
Speaker 6: had demanded reparations from bombardment damage that some Iranian officials
17:49
Speaker 6: estimate at three hundred billion dollars to one trillion dollars.
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Speaker 6: So the people who have been helping Trump sell this
17:57
Speaker 6: war most as it's even less popular as midterms with
18:01
Speaker 6: Trump says, which Trump says he doesn't care about that quote.
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Speaker 6: I promise he was pinging around like Republican consultant circles
18:09
Speaker 6: all week after. Trump said that he doesn't really care
18:11
Speaker 6: about the midterms, but in some respect he does care
18:14
Speaker 6: about his legacy.
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Speaker 4: And to Griffin, to your.
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Speaker 6: Point, the amount of money that is being poured into
18:20
Speaker 6: I mean, if you're in DC right now, Ryan, you've
18:22
Speaker 6: probably noticed it. I don't at all object to the
18:25
Speaker 6: beautification in honor of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary,
18:28
Speaker 6: but it is like nothing I have ever seen here,
18:30
Speaker 6: and I've been here for a while, Like it's an
18:32
Speaker 6: all out effort to make DC look amazing.
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Speaker 4: And to now we.
18:39
Speaker 6: Have reports, actually not reports, best confirmed that there's a
18:43
Speaker 6: plan to try and get a two hundred and fifty
18:45
Speaker 6: dollars bill with Donald Trump's based on it.
18:47
Speaker 4: So obviously he is trying to do some.
18:49
Speaker 6: Legacy shaping here and the people who are preventing that
18:53
Speaker 6: from happening. Natan Yahoo, Mark Levin are the people who
18:56
Speaker 6: are the ones that convinced him to go into the
18:59
Speaker 6: war and have been the only people really selling the
19:02
Speaker 6: war on its merits in the public for a long time.
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Speaker 4: So that dynamic, I can imagine, has left.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it's his own fault to put himself in
19:11
Speaker 6: that situation, but obviously that dynamic would probably exhaust anyone
19:15
Speaker 6: if every time you inch closer to some type of
19:19
Speaker 6: peace agreement that would get this albatross off his neck
19:23
Speaker 6: as he sees it, At least, I don't know that
19:24
Speaker 6: it really would, but it's being blocked every effort to
19:29
Speaker 6: try and come to.
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Speaker 4: Terms with it. This is like literally the escalation trap.
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Speaker 6: I mean, it does have to be enormously frustrated for him.
19:38
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's ironic that Trump, on the one hand, tried
19:42
Speaker 5: to block DC from spending like what one point one
19:46
Speaker 5: billion dollars of its own locally raised tax revenue through
19:50
Speaker 5: a congressional restriction. There was eventually able to get a
19:54
Speaker 5: deal and a work around on that, while then he's
19:57
Speaker 5: also using this National Park Service money from around the
19:59
Speaker 5: count tree to then beautify DC and yet like the
20:03
Speaker 5: Malcolm X we have this, we have a park called
20:06
Speaker 5: Malcolm X Park here. It's like sixteenth Street down by
20:09
Speaker 5: the U Street corridor. There's the fountains are flowing, there's
20:13
Speaker 5: water running like it's beautiful.
20:15
Speaker 3: Nobody's ever seen it before. Like it's I need to
20:18
Speaker 3: hear Trump talk about Malcolm X.
20:20
Speaker 6: And actually he'll call it Meridian Hill, he'll call beautified park.
20:26
Speaker 5: It's incredible, looks great, But yes, what what else is?
20:31
Speaker 5: Like where's he stealing it from? How much of that
20:33
Speaker 5: is he using for the ballroom as well? I was
20:37
Speaker 5: talking to a source at the National Park Service and
20:41
Speaker 5: actually the Washing Post report of this too, that we're
20:44
Speaker 5: looking at something like a forty five minute firework display
20:49
Speaker 5: like like hundreds of thousands of pieces of artillery, which
20:55
Speaker 5: God only knows what the like environmental and safety repercussions
20:59
Speaker 5: will be of that. And you know, like works, fireworks
21:03
Speaker 5: are amazing, but after like ten minutes, right, Okay, I
21:06
Speaker 5: get it. You imagine sitting through forty five minutes of fireworks.
21:11
Speaker 8: Kids are gonna want to like, I don't know, my kids,
21:14
Speaker 8: My kids be done after like fifteen, Like it's like
21:17
Speaker 8: more of like explosion It's like, I do love this
21:22
Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty dollars bill thing too.
21:24
Speaker 3: This would be the first still alive president to be
21:28
Speaker 3: put on on money if I'm correct loud, Yeah, it's allowed.
21:34
Speaker 3: But but that's what that's that. That's the kind of
21:35
Speaker 3: stuff we wish Trump was working on, right, that's that stuff.
21:38
Speaker 3: I also Tager sent this that apparently in uh in China,
21:43
Speaker 3: the number two fifty is it is a joke slang
21:46
Speaker 3: for idiot or something like that, which which they're which
21:49
Speaker 3: they're finding really funny that it's like it's some sort
21:52
Speaker 3: of slang that they So they're loving the two hundred
21:54
Speaker 3: and fifty that's their six seven. That's eventually, yeah, that's
21:57
Speaker 3: China six seven apparently, And you.
22:00
Speaker 5: Know, maybe this is how we fix the.
22:03
Speaker 3: Tolling problem, is that Iran cantroll the straight but they
22:06
Speaker 3: have to use the two hundred and fifty dollars Trump
22:09
Speaker 3: bill to.
22:10
Speaker 5: Do it, and then we get to world peace. It's
22:13
Speaker 5: a lot of Trump bills. But sure, all right, if
22:14
Speaker 5: that's the deal, fine.
22:16
Speaker 3: I'm I'm feeling optimistic about it.
22:19
Speaker 6: It's just all it's but to that point, I mean,
22:24
Speaker 6: I think he probably does want to have this behind
22:28
Speaker 6: him by the time that happens, because it's like everything
22:31
Speaker 6: this second term has been building up to the two
22:34
Speaker 6: fifty and it just every time you get close, it
22:38
Speaker 6: gets blocked because there's no way to release any funds
22:42
Speaker 6: without Netahu and Mark Levin losing their minds. And I'm
22:46
Speaker 6: just using them as stand ins, but like kind of
22:48
Speaker 6: also leaders of that movement to create more escalation.
22:55
Speaker 3: So Emily, we have one doctor Jill Biden here who
23:06
Speaker 3: now is chatting about her time in the post debate
23:11
Speaker 3: of Biden. Is there anything that you would like to
23:13
Speaker 3: set up here before we listen to Jill?
23:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well again, let's get this. She has a memoir
23:17
Speaker 4: coming out.
23:19
Speaker 6: Someone had the audacity to write a memoir because I
23:21
Speaker 6: think the Biden family, this is my like Freudian read
23:25
Speaker 6: if I put them on the analyst catch for a moment,
23:28
Speaker 6: has always wanted to play with the lobbyist and the
23:32
Speaker 6: consultants that if you're a politician, you run with. And
23:35
Speaker 6: it's true Biden was had one of the lowest networks
23:38
Speaker 6: in Congress for a really long time. But I think
23:41
Speaker 6: they want to get paid and so Joe Biden, Jill Biden,
23:45
Speaker 6: I should say as her husband is per Hunter Biden
23:49
Speaker 6: dealing with some tough cancer.
23:50
Speaker 4: We all know that it was diagnosed I think stage four.
23:53
Speaker 6: But Hunter Biden was on Software Underbelly recently talking about
23:57
Speaker 6: how it makes him have a hard time sleeping and
24:00
Speaker 6: there are all kinds of issues with it.
24:01
Speaker 4: Joe Biden is.
24:01
Speaker 6: Out on a media tour to promote her memoir and
24:05
Speaker 6: had the audacity Griffin to say this in a preview
24:10
Speaker 6: of an interview that's going to drop this Sunday on
24:13
Speaker 6: CBS Sunday morning. So this is Joe Biden's ex explanation
24:17
Speaker 6: for what happened on the debate stage when we were
24:20
Speaker 6: all sitting in the studio watching the debate with Fried
24:24
Speaker 6: Chicken or whatever you ordered Griffin that night.
24:26
Speaker 4: And this is what Jill Biden.
24:29
Speaker 6: People can go back and watch the clip of like
24:30
Speaker 6: Crystalin Sager's jaw dropping during the Trump Biden debate that
24:34
Speaker 6: made Biden drop out.
24:35
Speaker 4: This is what Joe Biden said she thought, ever.
24:37
Speaker 5: See signs that he was falling into cognitive decline.
24:42
Speaker 9: No, no, no, truly no, I mean people were saying
24:49
Speaker 9: he wasn't the same Joe Biden. Well, I don't think
24:54
Speaker 9: that's true. He was the same, the essence of the
24:57
Speaker 9: same Joe Biden.
24:58
Speaker 10: But yeah, he then.
25:02
Speaker 9: We all observed that when you you know, it's a
25:05
Speaker 9: very intense job, I think it ages you quickly.
25:11
Speaker 5: And then we got one more here.
25:13
Speaker 3: We'll play these back to back here, because that was
25:16
Speaker 3: not enough for my taste.
25:18
Speaker 4: It gets better. Were you horrified as you saw it unfold?
25:24
Speaker 9: I wasn't horrified. I was frightened because I had never
25:29
Speaker 9: ever seen Joe like that.
25:32
Speaker 4: The.
25:33
Speaker 11: COVID I could be with dealing with everything we have
25:38
Speaker 11: to do with. Look if we finally hate.
25:45
Speaker 5: Watching thank you President Biden before or since?
25:50
Speaker 4: Never since? Yes, or he's never seen never?
25:54
Speaker 10: No, what happened?
25:57
Speaker 9: I don't know what happened. I mean when I as
25:59
Speaker 9: I watched it, I thought, oh my god, he's having
26:01
Speaker 9: a stroke, and it scared me to death. Joe, you
26:05
Speaker 9: did such a great jockey debate every question question.
26:13
Speaker 4: Now you graduated kindergarten? What did truck do?
26:18
Speaker 9: No?
26:19
Speaker 5: Lie?
26:21
Speaker 6: I mean she was so hype for that moment after
26:24
Speaker 6: an hour before apparently she thought her husband was having a.
26:27
Speaker 4: Stroke on stage.
26:30
Speaker 6: These are the lies that Joe, that Joe Biden is
26:32
Speaker 6: peddling to sell a memoir, and I heard the pod
26:35
Speaker 6: Save guys making an interesting point about how they were
26:39
Speaker 6: reacting to Zajalani who posted on x that people underestimate
26:43
Speaker 6: how much there's a trust problem in the Democratic Party
26:45
Speaker 6: because so many top Democrats and pundits that are Democratic
26:50
Speaker 6: leaning or outright Democrats spent months saying that Joe.
26:54
Speaker 4: Biden was fine.
26:55
Speaker 6: And then even some after the debate, someone was circulating
26:59
Speaker 6: the New York Times scoring of the debate, and I
27:01
Speaker 6: think it was.
27:04
Speaker 4: There were a couple of people who had rated.
27:06
Speaker 6: It a draw, and again there were some people spinning
27:09
Speaker 6: after the debate that it was fine.
27:11
Speaker 12: Uh.
27:12
Speaker 6: And that's a serious problem for Democrats, not in the
27:15
Speaker 6: narrow sense that people are going to go pull the
27:17
Speaker 6: lever one way or the other, as I think it was.
27:19
Speaker 6: John Favreau is making this point because they relied to
27:22
Speaker 6: about Joe Biden. No, that's not what was happening, is
27:24
Speaker 6: that Democrats are digging out of a deep trust deficit,
27:28
Speaker 6: specifically in some ways because of this, and so then
27:31
Speaker 6: to have Jill Biden going out, I mean, all of
27:33
Speaker 6: the sources to Alex Thompson and others are coming out
27:38
Speaker 6: of the woodwork now, not still not by name and
27:41
Speaker 6: saying this is not true, like she did not like
27:44
Speaker 6: none of this, that none of what she is saying
27:46
Speaker 6: is true, and people, Ryan, I'm curious what you're hearing
27:50
Speaker 6: in dem circles, if anything about how this is just
27:54
Speaker 6: incredibly unhelpful.
27:56
Speaker 12: Yeah, for Democrats in the middle of the midterm cycle, Ryan,
27:59
Speaker 12: let's get your reaction this. A former senior Biden campaign
28:02
Speaker 12: advisor tells me Jill Biden's comments our revision is history.
28:05
Speaker 12: She in a handful of other close advisors around President
28:08
Speaker 12: Biden kept gas lighting us, telling those of us on
28:10
Speaker 12: the campaign we were the one too or wrong, and
28:12
Speaker 12: then he just had a bad night. I think she
28:15
Speaker 12: saw the reputational harm this caused her and is therefore.
28:18
Speaker 5: Taking a new position. What do you make about that?
28:21
Speaker 5: Reminds me of how Hoover President Hoover Foreign President Hoover
28:29
Speaker 5: appeared at every Republican convention for like decades after he
28:34
Speaker 5: was out of off because he was foreign president, and
28:36
Speaker 5: he's like, I want to speak at the Republican convention
28:38
Speaker 5: and people were like, Hoover again, Jesus. And I think
28:44
Speaker 5: things move much faster now, but I think people are like,
28:48
Speaker 5: oh no more Biden, No more Jill Biden, no more
28:50
Speaker 5: Joe Biden. We need to just move this back into
28:54
Speaker 5: the into the past. Let's let the river of time,
28:57
Speaker 5: you know, wash this out. Doesn't help that, like because
29:02
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, sure she has her own motivations, but
29:04
Speaker 5: also like, no, there's nobody left kind of in the
29:08
Speaker 5: party establishment that has any motivation to help her with
29:12
Speaker 5: this project. It's fine if she wants to do a
29:14
Speaker 5: project of restoring her self image and if a publishing
29:17
Speaker 5: house thinks that they can move some books based on it.
29:20
Speaker 5: I was wrong about the Kamala Harris book. I didn't
29:22
Speaker 5: think that would sell. It's all a ton Maybe this
29:25
Speaker 5: will move, but nobody in the party, including in the
29:29
Speaker 5: party elite, you know it, has any real interest or
29:33
Speaker 5: motivation to play along.
29:35
Speaker 6: I think a difference with the Kamala Harris book is
29:37
Speaker 6: that she still has people in the party elite who
29:40
Speaker 6: were willing to like do bulk book buys for events
29:43
Speaker 6: and that type of thing. That's my impression of how
29:44
Speaker 6: that book because she went on a tour to sell it,
29:46
Speaker 6: like she actually went and did all of these live events,
29:49
Speaker 6: and when you do that, you get bulk sales, and
29:51
Speaker 6: there are people who are willing to sit down with her,
29:53
Speaker 6: like very prominent people who did these interviews on her
29:55
Speaker 6: book tour. I don't think there's anybody like that with
29:58
Speaker 6: Jill Biden remaining, especially after now saying she thought he
30:01
Speaker 6: was having a stroke. And you have this juxtaposition that
30:05
Speaker 6: everyone remembers really viscerally, it just seems and the Biden
30:08
Speaker 6: family this is another I mean, it's kind of sad
30:11
Speaker 6: and tragic in the way that the Biden family is tragic,
30:13
Speaker 6: but they can't give anything to anyone anymore. Whereas if
30:17
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris one day runs for president again, who knows
30:20
Speaker 6: what happens, whatever, she may be in a position to
30:23
Speaker 6: scratch other people's backs, so they have incentive to scratch
30:26
Speaker 6: her back.
30:27
Speaker 4: The Biden family doesn't have that anymore at all.
30:31
Speaker 3: Yes, And to Ryan's point about Democrats desperately wanting to
30:35
Speaker 3: leave this in the past, but we are living in
30:38
Speaker 3: the current president of the wreckage of both of their decisions,
30:42
Speaker 3: Jill and Joe Biden to stay in this race for
30:44
Speaker 3: so long, to not have a primary, and we're all
30:48
Speaker 3: living in the reality that occurred from that to this day.
30:52
Speaker 3: And I guess it's like with Trump, you know, he
30:56
Speaker 3: wants to be in office to do all these deals,
30:58
Speaker 3: to enrich himself all this. But like, what did Jill
31:02
Speaker 3: get out of still wanting to stay in the White
31:04
Speaker 3: House longer? Is it just like ego? Like you know,
31:07
Speaker 3: like it's not like she was cashing in a ton
31:10
Speaker 3: at all. What is she so she could rearrange the
31:12
Speaker 3: floral arrangement?
31:15
Speaker 12: Yeah?
31:16
Speaker 5: Yes, I think you're totally underestimating the potency of just
31:20
Speaker 5: being in the White House. It's the most powerful position
31:22
Speaker 5: in the world. And if if he's only working from
31:26
Speaker 5: ten to four or whatever, somebody's got to be that's
31:29
Speaker 5: a fielding fielding requests and calls. And like she was,
31:34
Speaker 5: she was becoming, you know, an increasingly central part of
31:37
Speaker 5: that administration. And would that would have only increased in
31:41
Speaker 5: a second term. So yeah, that I don't think any
31:46
Speaker 5: mystery there.
31:48
Speaker 3: And there's there's this like refrain that she keeps saying
31:51
Speaker 3: that this was the only moment, that this was just
31:53
Speaker 3: like a snapfoo. In fact, some of the reporting from
31:55
Speaker 3: The Atlantic says that Jill thought that he was drugged,
31:59
Speaker 3: That someone had drugged him before was another claim that
32:02
Speaker 3: she made. But I mean, just yeah, the.
32:05
Speaker 6: Kay Coppin's gotten early copy of a memoir and wrote
32:08
Speaker 6: a piece based on it. And apparently that is actually
32:10
Speaker 6: part of Joe Biden's claim as she thought, Wow, maybe
32:12
Speaker 6: he was drugged.
32:14
Speaker 4: Maybe he had like cough syrup or something.
32:16
Speaker 8: Is what.
32:16
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.
32:18
Speaker 3: I mean maybe he was drugged for years, because I
32:20
Speaker 3: mean there was clip after clip before this debate even happened.
32:23
Speaker 3: And I would like to play just my favorite one,
32:25
Speaker 3: the classic we all know as earth Rider.
32:29
Speaker 5: Here it is used to make them grow fine.
32:34
Speaker 10: Ooh earth Riders.
32:35
Speaker 11: Thanks for the great lake.
32:39
Speaker 5: Oh Earthrider, that's really great lake.
32:44
Speaker 4: I mean this is in the twenty twenty election.
32:47
Speaker 6: First of all, in the twenty twenty primary, people didn't
32:50
Speaker 6: want to say this. Other Democrats that were running against
32:52
Speaker 6: him really didn't want to say this. It kind of
32:54
Speaker 6: harkens back a little bit to Bernie and Hillary on
32:57
Speaker 6: some of Hillary's obvious vulnerabilities that took advantage of in
33:01
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen. But people did not want to talk about
33:04
Speaker 6: the fact that Joe Biden seemed senile then, and they.
33:08
Speaker 4: Didn't want to.
33:08
Speaker 6: Media didn't give it a lot of coverage in the
33:10
Speaker 6: lead up to the twenty twenty presidential election. People just
33:14
Speaker 6: didn't want to talk about it, though I think it
33:16
Speaker 6: was pretty clear. I mean, some of these clips were
33:17
Speaker 6: going very viral at the time, and what we watched
33:20
Speaker 6: was over the course of his first year in office,
33:24
Speaker 6: then his second, third, fourth, it was getting so much
33:28
Speaker 6: worse in front of everybody's eyes, and it became really
33:30
Speaker 6: hard to deny. But if you're Joe Biden, you still
33:33
Speaker 6: have Joe Scarborough coming out on one of the most
33:37
Speaker 6: watched news shows in DC and saying, this is the
33:40
Speaker 6: best Joe Biden I've ever seen, talking to Joe Biden,
33:43
Speaker 6: then going out on a media platform and saying that
33:45
Speaker 6: is the best Joe Biden I've ever seen.
33:47
Speaker 4: And so if you're Joe Biden, that stuff is meaningful
33:50
Speaker 4: because it shows that people are buying it.
33:53
Speaker 6: They're still kissing the throne, they're sucking up to power,
33:56
Speaker 6: and I mean it's just you can see how, as
34:00
Speaker 6: Ryan said, how intoxicating that is if you're Joe Biden
34:03
Speaker 6: in this situation.
34:06
Speaker 5: Yeah, what I wonder is how did medicare get beat
34:08
Speaker 5: by that guy?
34:13
Speaker 6: Well, the dumb Civil War broke out on his watch,
34:17
Speaker 6: So because he was he was not capable of being
34:20
Speaker 6: the leader of the Democratic Party, despite being the Democratic
34:23
Speaker 6: President of the United States. He couldn't leave the party,
34:26
Speaker 6: and he couldn't understand what was happening internally with the
34:30
Speaker 6: backlash to his Israel policy.
34:32
Speaker 4: He just couldn't. He was not capable of understanding that.
34:35
Speaker 6: And the party is in disarray, as is the Republican Party,
34:39
Speaker 6: of course, but that's in no small part thanks to
34:42
Speaker 6: Joe Biden being a poor steward of the position that
34:44
Speaker 6: he was in as the leader of the party.
34:47
Speaker 3: Well, I think we can all say, we're so sick
34:50
Speaker 3: of talking about these people, So why don't we move on, Emily,
34:55
Speaker 3: Let's let's move our lens are our perspective over to
35:00
Speaker 3: the sunny city of Los Angeles, where there is an
35:04
Speaker 3: LA mayoral and gubernatorial race occurring June's second primary in
35:10
Speaker 3: just a few days. Emily, from an outsider perspective, break
35:13
Speaker 3: it down for us for a second. What are you
35:15
Speaker 3: seeing over here in LA.
35:17
Speaker 6: Well, first, if you haven't watched Griffin's interview with Tom Starr,
35:20
Speaker 6: he did a fantastic job.
35:21
Speaker 4: It was a great interview, so go and check that out.
35:23
Speaker 4: But a Berkeley poll came out yesterday.
35:27
Speaker 6: A lot of people remember when Michael Schellenberger, as sort
35:30
Speaker 6: of an online phenomenon, launched a bid for governor. I
35:33
Speaker 6: forget how many years ago that was, and he was
35:37
Speaker 6: getting a ton of attention on the internet. But people
35:40
Speaker 6: were curious how that would actually materialize, if it would
35:43
Speaker 6: materialize into votes, and it didn't. I mean it was
35:47
Speaker 6: he got a very, very very minor percentage of the
35:51
Speaker 6: vote at the end of the day. But there's a
35:53
Speaker 6: Berkeley pole that came out yesterday that had Bass at
35:58
Speaker 6: twenty six percent, at twenty five percent, and Spencer Pratt
36:02
Speaker 6: at twenty two percent, and that was of likely voters
36:06
Speaker 6: in the city of Los Angeles. Pratt responded, as as
36:09
Speaker 6: Griffin has up on the screen as a trojan, I
36:11
Speaker 6: would never go off a UC Berkeley pull fight on
36:15
Speaker 6: my strong guess. I'd have to go look at the
36:19
Speaker 6: the margin of error, but I would guess that they're
36:24
Speaker 6: all clustered. I mean that between Bass and Rahmen, that's
36:27
Speaker 6: almost certainly margin of error territory, and Pratt is probably
36:30
Speaker 6: close to margin of ra territory.
36:31
Speaker 4: But all this is to say, we can see he's
36:34
Speaker 4: not purely.
36:34
Speaker 6: An online phenomenon. We can see that he's not just
36:36
Speaker 6: at what like three percent. He's it not to sound
36:41
Speaker 6: like doctor Seuss, but he's actually a twenty two percent.
36:43
Speaker 6: So we now see this is a serious candidacy as
36:46
Speaker 6: the election is on Tuesday, right, Griffin and Griffin's in
36:51
Speaker 6: Griffin's base in LA, and Griffin, you're also what DSA
36:56
Speaker 6: adjacent or full DSA in LA, So you've been following
37:00
Speaker 6: as close as anyone that's coming up in just a
37:04
Speaker 6: couple of days.
37:05
Speaker 4: So this poll is a little bit of a wake
37:08
Speaker 4: up call. Probably.
37:09
Speaker 12: Well.
37:09
Speaker 3: I identify as a political podcaster that calls balls and strikes,
37:13
Speaker 3: and I'll be doing that on this segment as well.
37:16
Speaker 3: And this segment, I do think is designed to make
37:19
Speaker 3: I think, no matter what you say about the LA race,
37:21
Speaker 3: someone's gonna get.
37:22
Speaker 5: Really mad at you.
37:24
Speaker 3: So I will try to take this from a neutral
37:27
Speaker 3: what's going on in the race perspective. But yeah, I mean,
37:30
Speaker 3: it is really surprising to see someone that a lot
37:32
Speaker 3: of people view as as MAGA coded like Spencer Pratt,
37:36
Speaker 3: rising so much in the polls. And it does seem
37:39
Speaker 3: like there might be a silent Pratt voter that maybe
37:42
Speaker 3: doesn't say they're voting for Pratt, but is going to
37:47
Speaker 3: and you do say, he said, you said, he's not
37:49
Speaker 3: just an online sensation, but it is quite an online
37:52
Speaker 3: sensation what he's been doing. Some people are making fun
37:54
Speaker 3: of his AI slop ads. Some of them are created
37:58
Speaker 3: by fans of the campaign. Some of them are billboards
38:01
Speaker 3: that he puts up around town, which people think is
38:03
Speaker 3: very funny to put up AI slop in a city
38:06
Speaker 3: of creatives that are about to all lose their jobs
38:10
Speaker 3: to AI slop. But regardless of that, he's also really
38:14
Speaker 3: making actually a lot of compelling videos of him all
38:18
Speaker 3: over Los Angeles, you know, grabbing a lot of attention
38:22
Speaker 3: in a very Trump twenty sixteen way against a unpopular
38:27
Speaker 3: Democratic incumbent. So, you know, I think that he's probably
38:32
Speaker 3: going to get into the top two of the primary,
38:35
Speaker 3: or it might It might be likely. But for those
38:38
Speaker 3: who don't really know the stupid California system we have here,
38:41
Speaker 3: it is a jungle primary, so essentially Republicans, which sounds fun.
38:46
Speaker 5: Yeah.
38:48
Speaker 3: It was designed apparently originally to try to create a
38:52
Speaker 3: system that would create more moderate candidates, but essentially what
38:55
Speaker 3: occurs is Democrats and Republicans all run together. There's not
38:59
Speaker 3: a Democratic and Republican primary. They all run together and
39:02
Speaker 3: then whoever gets the top two goes on to a general.
39:05
Speaker 3: Now often in California, that means it could be two
39:07
Speaker 3: Democrats running against each other, or it could be, you know,
39:12
Speaker 3: in it could be in the governor's race, two Republicans
39:16
Speaker 3: running against each other, which seems unlikely now, but there
39:18
Speaker 3: was a moment where we thought Steve Hilton and Chad
39:20
Speaker 3: Bianco might be the top two for California governor. That
39:23
Speaker 3: doesn't look likely anymore, but yeah, here we are here,
39:27
Speaker 3: and Ryan, what is your perspective? You know, we covered
39:31
Speaker 3: the Zoron race UH in New York for a long
39:36
Speaker 3: time and Zorn's videos really did put him almost on
39:41
Speaker 3: a national stage in a way that Spencer Pratt seems
39:44
Speaker 3: to as well.
39:45
Speaker 5: What is your what do you make of all that?
39:47
Speaker 5: But yeah, I mean he was already a national figure
39:49
Speaker 5: from his reality TV days, right. You know, if the
39:54
Speaker 5: if the videos at the kind of pop culture linkages
39:58
Speaker 5: kind of line up with your politics, then it works together.
40:03
Speaker 5: And I think that's the case with Pratt, Like he's
40:06
Speaker 5: he's going for this like what upper middle class everyman
40:11
Speaker 5: kind of kind of vibe.
40:12
Speaker 6: I don't know what, I don't know. I guess I
40:15
Speaker 6: think that's how he's like himself. But I also feel
40:18
Speaker 6: in Griffin, actually you two are in like there's something
40:22
Speaker 6: I would imagine that people missed with with Trump and
40:26
Speaker 6: like working class Hispanics, where if you are hitting on
40:29
Speaker 6: the biggest vulnerabilities of Karen Bass and some of these
40:34
Speaker 6: Democratic candidates and just talking about cleaning up the city,
40:37
Speaker 6: helping people who are homeless recover from their addictions, like,
40:42
Speaker 6: it just seems as though he's he's perfectly positioned to
40:45
Speaker 6: take on those very serious, grave vulnerabilities, not just with
40:50
Speaker 6: the upper middle class, you know, like Democrats who are
40:55
Speaker 6: sick of you know, paying so much in taxes and
40:57
Speaker 6: then walking in walking over needles, but also the kind
41:00
Speaker 6: of like everyman who's like, whoa, why was the mayor
41:04
Speaker 6: gone during the flyre Like what the.
41:06
Speaker 4: Hell's going on?
41:07
Speaker 5: It's certainly the kind of candidacy that you can imagine
41:10
Speaker 5: appealing to people who were just like kind of at
41:13
Speaker 5: the end of their rope and just very frustrated at
41:15
Speaker 5: how things are. You're like, let's this is totally crazy,
41:19
Speaker 5: Let's just try this. Ye, So yeah, it certainly seems
41:24
Speaker 5: seems plausible. I saw that Nithew was trying to get
41:27
Speaker 5: another left wing candidate to drop out, Like if if enough,
41:31
Speaker 5: if Democrats were really kind of strategic about who was
41:37
Speaker 5: in the final race Griffin, would they be able to
41:40
Speaker 5: box him out? Is it really the kind of like
41:44
Speaker 5: candidates who were gobbling up like twenty percent of the
41:47
Speaker 5: vote all among them, that is kind of giving him
41:51
Speaker 5: the shot at squeaking through and then once he's in,
41:53
Speaker 5: then he has a one on one shot. Yeah, so
41:58
Speaker 5: right now it's a tight three way race.
42:00
Speaker 3: The incumbent Democrat Mayor Karen Bass, who I would describe
42:03
Speaker 3: as kind of like a center right liberal ish kind
42:06
Speaker 3: of uh.
42:08
Speaker 5: Former Cuban terrorist, right.
42:10
Speaker 3: Well, then Spencer talks about all the time that she
42:13
Speaker 3: was training terrorist tactics in Cuba, which which is great,
42:18
Speaker 3: she wasn't. Oh okay, well that that maybe she should
42:23
Speaker 3: admit to it might help, but uh.
42:27
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe not, maybe not.
42:29
Speaker 3: And then we have Nithia Rahman, who is technically ds
42:34
Speaker 3: A coded but the DSA did not endorse Nythia for
42:39
Speaker 3: like a medley of reasons and including sort of her
42:42
Speaker 3: work on the La City Council where they found her
42:46
Speaker 3: to be a little lackluster. So there was a little
42:49
Speaker 3: bit of drama about not endorsing anyone for the primary.
42:53
Speaker 3: So uh, but Spencer does seem to be really into
42:57
Speaker 3: coding all of the problems of LA on the DSA,
43:02
Speaker 3: and I think maybe that's because Zorn has made the
43:05
Speaker 3: DSA more of a national topic, so now more people
43:08
Speaker 3: know what that was.
43:09
Speaker 5: I don't think this would have worked even a couple
43:11
Speaker 5: of years ago.
43:11
Speaker 3: But let's take a listen to a recent video of
43:14
Speaker 3: Spencer calling out both Karen and Nythya Rahmen.
43:18
Speaker 5: I'm Spenser Brat.
43:19
Speaker 13: We're here at the sixth Street Bridge in downtown Los Angeles.
43:23
Speaker 5: It is beautiful if only you could see it.
43:26
Speaker 13: But all the lights have been allowed to be stolen
43:30
Speaker 13: from our taxpayer money because Mayor Basuda and Nithi Iram
43:35
Speaker 13: DSAC Council let criminals run the streets.
43:39
Speaker 3: But don't worry.
43:40
Speaker 13: Mayor Basuda is planning to take two hundred more million
43:44
Speaker 13: dollars of our tax money to get solar power lights. Oh,
43:48
Speaker 13: because the criminals won't steal those, But don't worry. Nthie
43:51
Speaker 13: Roman has suggested putting pages around the lights. That's right,
43:57
Speaker 13: cages that'll stop them. So if you're sid of your
44:01
Speaker 13: tax money getting burned by his criminals. Better vote for mayor,
44:04
Speaker 13: praft the ballots, drop.
44:06
Speaker 3: May forward, all right, So yes, he loves to call
44:09
Speaker 3: her Karen Bassoura, which which people find very funny. It's
44:13
Speaker 3: very Trumpian in coming up with these nicknames, if you will,
44:17
Speaker 3: And I do think that to Ryan's question of if
44:21
Speaker 3: the Democrats could consolidate around someone. But unfortunately, I think
44:25
Speaker 3: that Nithan Rahman has stumbled during these debates. Nitya has
44:30
Speaker 3: not been able to cut videos that are, in my opinion,
44:34
Speaker 3: very charismatic and engaging, and hasn't been able to really
44:37
Speaker 3: own the media environment, which has led the Democrats to
44:41
Speaker 3: be in this kind of standstill. Whether like, well, people
44:44
Speaker 3: really hate Karen bass I mean, she has an insanely
44:47
Speaker 3: low approval rating, but Nitya really isn't getting out there
44:51
Speaker 3: and grabbing the moment and doing mic drops and capturing
44:55
Speaker 3: people's attention either. So it's it's this area where you know,
45:00
Speaker 3: these people want to run for these positions like la
45:03
Speaker 3: mayor and stuff, but we're in a new realm where
45:06
Speaker 3: if you can't cut a vertical, if you can't talk
45:08
Speaker 3: to the camera and make constant interesting sixty second videos,
45:12
Speaker 3: they've got people's attention, you really can't. You can't win
45:15
Speaker 3: as mayor, and maybe she still will. But I do
45:19
Speaker 3: think we're in this new era now where you have
45:21
Speaker 3: to be able to be a confident media content creator
45:25
Speaker 3: to really grab people's attention.
45:27
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna say two things on that.
45:28
Speaker 6: First of all, I don't think anybody wants to be
45:31
Speaker 6: in this era where you have the reality television stars
45:35
Speaker 6: who can master media being able to kind of dominate
45:41
Speaker 6: conversations because institutional trust is solo.
45:44
Speaker 4: But we are in that moment.
45:45
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, but there are a whole lot of people
45:47
Speaker 6: in this country who are just going to say, or
45:48
Speaker 6: in our studies who are just going to say, screw it.
45:51
Speaker 6: Karen Bass, you're telling me like you are appealing to
45:54
Speaker 6: my institutional trust and what you've done as mayor or
45:58
Speaker 6: Nitnia Rahman, who I think was like tasked with on
46:01
Speaker 6: the city Council the homelessness issue. Griffin correct me if
46:05
Speaker 6: I'm wrong. That's a huge, huge vulnerability for both of them.
46:09
Speaker 6: And you can't just appeal to expertise or authority when
46:12
Speaker 6: people think your expertise and authority is failing.
46:14
Speaker 4: So we are in that era, and I don't know
46:17
Speaker 4: anybody who particularly likes it or loves it, but it's
46:19
Speaker 4: what we're in.
46:20
Speaker 6: And secondly, that does become a really big problem because
46:23
Speaker 6: mom Donnie was very clever about how he dealt with
46:26
Speaker 6: his past on criminal justice reform, right, Like, that's it's
46:30
Speaker 6: been pretty interesting to watch him navigate that, and I
46:32
Speaker 6: think he's done it just about as well as anybody could.
46:35
Speaker 6: But that's a real problem for Nithia Rahman and Karen
46:38
Speaker 6: Bass because people want a new especially I think working
46:42
Speaker 6: class people if you look at polling, want a new
46:45
Speaker 6: approach that isn't just the progressive criminal justice reform experiments
46:50
Speaker 6: that played out in some of our cities, even in California.
46:53
Speaker 6: What did they recalled a couple people who were like
46:57
Speaker 6: it was San Francisco.
46:58
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember exactly who it was.
47:01
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, it's his name, is escaping me?
47:06
Speaker 4: Yes, Trusbootin, Yes, yes.
47:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's yeah, very bad timing for him. And I'm
47:11
Speaker 5: joking about terrorists. But his parents were in the weather underground.
47:16
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's I think that's a problem.
47:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean there are serious issues with with
47:23
Speaker 3: Los Angeles and yeah, people don't really care about this
47:26
Speaker 3: experienced line that both Nitya and Karen are touting as
47:30
Speaker 3: the reason that you should vote for them.
47:32
Speaker 5: Spencer's been really smart.
47:33
Speaker 3: I think about saying, oh, this is if this is
47:35
Speaker 3: their experience, that's no good. And I also think that,
47:39
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, this is like a very long shot thing.
47:42
Speaker 3: This is liberal la. So even if Spencer makes it
47:46
Speaker 3: through the primary, it's unlikely that he would win in
47:49
Speaker 3: the general, just because the odds are simply stacked against him.
47:53
Speaker 3: But he was doing this really smart thing early on
47:56
Speaker 3: of saying I'm not Democrat, I'm not Republican, I just
48:00
Speaker 3: care about the city, which I thought was really smart.
48:03
Speaker 3: But in the recent weeks he's like going on Gutfeld,
48:06
Speaker 3: He's going on Fox News, and it's like, brother, that's
48:08
Speaker 3: not going to help you.
48:10
Speaker 4: Like like he was in New York clear the last
48:11
Speaker 4: couple of days on a.
48:12
Speaker 3: Me he needs he needs to be going on Podsave,
48:15
Speaker 3: he needs to be going on a lot of Glazer like.
48:17
Speaker 3: He needs to be going on those like and maybe
48:19
Speaker 3: they wouldn't have him, but honestly, I do think there
48:22
Speaker 3: is a certain.
48:25
Speaker 5: Charm to him.
48:27
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I personally find him to be
48:29
Speaker 3: a little bit of a you know, reality TV show huckster,
48:31
Speaker 3: much like Donald Trump, but you know, there's a charm
48:34
Speaker 3: to him, and I do think that he would win
48:35
Speaker 3: over some of these liberals if he went on and
48:38
Speaker 3: talked about the things he's gonna do. Trump kind of
48:41
Speaker 3: did a soft endorsement, Erica Kirk did an endorsement.
48:45
Speaker 5: It's like, guys, you are not helping him, and I
48:48
Speaker 5: know we got I think we got to move to
48:50
Speaker 5: doctor hamiway in a second. But one other federal related
48:53
Speaker 5: point is that assuming he does get into the UH
48:56
Speaker 5: into the general election, that's actually very good then for
48:59
Speaker 5: republic Looking House turnout in the Los Angeles area. A
49:03
Speaker 5: lot of these California often decided by you know, five
49:07
Speaker 5: ten thousand votes or less, and so if there are
49:10
Speaker 5: two Democrats on the gubernatorial ballot and two Democrats on
49:14
Speaker 5: the mayoral ballot, then Republican turnout in the general election
49:19
Speaker 5: just plummets because Republicans are like why bother? And then
49:24
Speaker 5: the House candidates deeply suffer as a result. The Republican
49:27
Speaker 5: House candidates. But if there's Pratt and gives Republicans a
49:31
Speaker 5: reason to come to the polls while they're there, they're
49:33
Speaker 5: also going to vote for the Republican House candidate, which
49:37
Speaker 5: could actually, you know, which could potentially matter in some
49:40
Speaker 5: of the further out depending on how the discrets are
49:43
Speaker 5: drawn races.
49:45
Speaker 6: He's running a good campaign and his opponents are running
49:47
Speaker 6: bad campaigns. That's my like a really good campaign Texposed
49:50
Speaker 6: with a couple of really bad campaigns.
49:52
Speaker 5: So yes, and he is.
49:54
Speaker 3: I'm already plotting a reality TV show that is following
49:59
Speaker 3: him around for the race. I don't know if that
50:00
Speaker 3: would start in the general, but it was leaked that
50:03
Speaker 3: it could potentially continue rolling if he becomes mayor. So yeah,
50:10
Speaker 3: there's that as well. And yeah, I guess it's just
50:14
Speaker 3: kind of an example of the very deeply democrat city
50:19
Speaker 3: not really having strong Democratic candidates or zoron of their own,
50:25
Speaker 3: and in some ways just structurally and esthetically but not politically.
50:30
Speaker 3: Spencer Pratt probably is the closest to the Zoron of
50:34
Speaker 3: La in terms of his ability to create media in
50:37
Speaker 3: videos that people are reacting to regardless of the politics, right, and.
50:42
Speaker 6: That happens every once in a while in these like
50:44
Speaker 6: deep one party areas. I think it's partially what happened
50:46
Speaker 6: in Texas in the Senate primary, like you end up
50:49
Speaker 6: with two really bad candidates of the party that has
50:51
Speaker 6: such dominance in a particular state or city.
50:54
Speaker 4: So there's a little bit of that probably happening too.
50:59
Speaker 3: And with that, why don't we bring on our guests, Ryan,
51:02
Speaker 3: will you introduce Adam Hamalwi.
51:05
Speaker 5: Joining us this morning is doctor Adam Hamaway, a plastic
51:08
Speaker 5: surgeon from New Jersey who is running in New Jersey's
51:13
Speaker 5: doctor is it the eleventh District, twelfth District, New Jersey's
51:17
Speaker 5: New Jersey's twelfth district kind of a crowded field, replacing
51:21
Speaker 5: the outgoing Progressive Congressman Bonnie Watson Coleman. People might remember
51:25
Speaker 5: doctor Hamaway was on this program maybe a year plus
51:30
Speaker 5: ago when you were a guest of Representative Watson Coleman
51:35
Speaker 5: for the State of the Union. She brought you because
51:37
Speaker 5: you had volunteered in multiple war zones throughout decades, but
51:43
Speaker 5: most recently had done a rotation through Gaza actually during
51:48
Speaker 5: this war. Have you been there multiple times?
51:50
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've been to Gaza twice and to the West
51:53
Speaker 10: Bank twice in the last two years.
51:55
Speaker 5: Got got it now? So you also kind of came
52:01
Speaker 5: to prominence in Congress, like oh, wait, this is the
52:04
Speaker 5: guy who actually operated on Tammy Duckworth when her helicopter
52:09
Speaker 5: was downed. You were an Army combat surgeon. Can you
52:12
Speaker 5: talk a little bit about when you joined, when you
52:16
Speaker 5: joined the military and what your experience was like, because
52:18
Speaker 5: that also, I think then flows into the attacks that
52:23
Speaker 5: you're getting recently for some of the volunteer work that
52:26
Speaker 5: you did while you were enlisted. Sure.
52:28
Speaker 10: Yeah, I enlisted in the New Jersey National Guard, and
52:33
Speaker 10: I guess it was nineteen eighty nine. I was like,
52:35
Speaker 10: right when I just got into college, and then I
52:38
Speaker 10: later got a rotwoc scholarship and was commissioned as an
52:41
Speaker 10: officer and served in the regular Army active duty for
52:46
Speaker 10: eight years after you know, you know it, got an
52:49
Speaker 10: educational delay, was an individual retori reserved for a while,
52:53
Speaker 10: and then after completing my medical training, came in on
52:56
Speaker 10: active duty and served in the Rock War as a
53:00
Speaker 10: combat trauma surgeon in two thousand and four and five
53:03
Speaker 10: and for several years after that.
53:05
Speaker 5: Got it. And so that that leads to one of
53:09
Speaker 5: the more kind of shocking articles I've seen written by
53:12
Speaker 5: a by a news outlet. And in all of the
53:15
Speaker 5: time that I've been kind of covering politics and this
53:18
Speaker 5: is this was published by Jewish Insider. Let me share
53:23
Speaker 5: this here. Leading New Jersey dem congressional candidate Adam Hamaway
53:29
Speaker 5: volunteered with al Qaeda tide group in Bosnia. You read
53:34
Speaker 5: that headline, what what on earth is going on here?
53:38
Speaker 5: So can you give us a little background about you
53:43
Speaker 5: know what this what this Bosnia volunteer effort was that
53:48
Speaker 5: that Jewish Insider is now turning into allegations that you're
53:51
Speaker 5: linked to al Qaeda.
53:53
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean things are getting more absurd as we
53:55
Speaker 10: get closer to elections. I've been volunteering now for almost
53:58
Speaker 10: thirty years with medical missions around the world, and that
54:03
Speaker 10: was one of my earlier ones. I was a medical
54:05
Speaker 10: student between my second and third year and the the
54:10
Speaker 10: genocide in Bostonia it was happening at that time. I
54:12
Speaker 10: reached out to the Bostian Mission and said, listen, I
54:15
Speaker 10: got a summer and I'd like to volunteer, and they
54:18
Speaker 10: directed me to the UN who directed me to one
54:20
Speaker 10: of the organizations working with them, and I spent the
54:23
Speaker 10: summer delivering medical supplies with the countryside and that was it.
54:29
Speaker 10: And apparently now like they're they're grasping at Strawsen and
54:35
Speaker 10: we got crazy allegations because they have nothing else to
54:38
Speaker 10: talk about.
54:40
Speaker 5: Yeah, and Emily or Griffin, if you have a follow
54:42
Speaker 5: up question, like so the about about a decade after
54:45
Speaker 5: you were there, one of the organizations that the UN
54:48
Speaker 5: directed you two was raided and accused of or found
54:52
Speaker 5: to be operating as a front for al Qaeda, which
54:56
Speaker 5: I think in nineteen ninety four, probably a lot of
54:58
Speaker 5: people may not even have heard of it except for
55:00
Speaker 5: maybe this CIA, And so I guess you would have
55:06
Speaker 5: had had a time machine to know that this was
55:08
Speaker 5: going to happen a decade later. And can you talk
55:11
Speaker 5: a little bit about like what you saw while you
55:14
Speaker 5: were in in Bosnia and what the situation was like.
55:18
Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm just build.
55:19
Speaker 6: On so sorry, I was just going to build on
55:22
Speaker 6: Ryan's question of it because John Schindler, the National Security
55:25
Speaker 6: Journalists built on the Jewish Insider report and said that
55:28
Speaker 6: at the time you were in the Zenica area, it
55:30
Speaker 6: was crawling with foign Jahadis, many of them followers of
55:33
Speaker 6: Bin Laden, including the infamous a Mujahid Battalion, which BAF
55:38
Speaker 6: Benevolents International Foundations supported with funds and logistics. Those terrorists
55:41
Speaker 6: committed numerous crimes against Christian civilians and prisoners of war,
55:44
Speaker 6: including decapitations on film. Many notables in the global Salafi
55:48
Speaker 6: Jihad movement, including Osamivan Laden himself, spent time in Bosnia
55:51
Speaker 6: during that troubled period. What was the good doctor really
55:54
Speaker 6: doing in Bosnia? Shindler writes in nineteen ninety four, as
55:56
Speaker 6: a guest of Bif and Bin Laden.
55:59
Speaker 4: So just I wanted to add that to Ryan's question, Uh,
56:01
Speaker 4: doctor as well.
56:03
Speaker 10: It's it's it's almost laughable, just kind of like hearing
56:06
Speaker 10: you talk about this. It's a you know, I've been
56:09
Speaker 10: talking about my mission to Boston since I was a
56:11
Speaker 10: medical student, and when I came back, I mean, it
56:13
Speaker 10: was one of the things that you know, highlighted my
56:16
Speaker 10: time in medical school that I was able to volunteer.
56:18
Speaker 10: And what I saw was initially when I was in Sarajevo,
56:21
Speaker 10: is you know, sniper's shooting people in the street, and
56:25
Speaker 10: then to different clinics and hospitals throughout the countryside that
56:30
Speaker 10: were short on medical supplies. The I flew in on
56:34
Speaker 10: a chartered U n HC United Nations flight into Sarajevo,
56:38
Speaker 10: got into an armored uh, you know personnel vehicle that
56:41
Speaker 10: a Ukrainian force that was there un force picked me
56:45
Speaker 10: and you know, the workers up from from the airport
56:48
Speaker 10: and took us downtown and and you know, every day
56:52
Speaker 10: we would go to a warehouse that again run by
56:54
Speaker 10: the United Nations, and we would deliver supplies around the countryside.
56:59
Speaker 10: And that's what I did for the summer, and and
57:03
Speaker 10: that really what's prompted me to do many the missions
57:05
Speaker 10: that I've been doing since then. That's that's the extent
57:10
Speaker 10: of it.
57:11
Speaker 5: Yeah. And something that and I've been you know, kind
57:14
Speaker 5: of fighting back and forth with the reporter on this
57:18
Speaker 5: Jewish Insider piece because while the reporter linked to a
57:24
Speaker 5: federal document that included what I felt was like something
57:28
Speaker 5: that should have been included, he did not reference that thing.
57:31
Speaker 5: And that is that an envoy to President Bill Clinton
57:36
Speaker 5: the same year that you were working with this organization,
57:39
Speaker 5: visited a separate office and quote appraised BIF and its
57:44
Speaker 5: efforts to provide humanitarian relief. So this is kind of
57:48
Speaker 5: a un recognized organization where the special envoy to the
57:53
Speaker 5: White House, as you know, visits and finds to be
57:57
Speaker 5: doing impressive work and they're somehow raising questions about a
58:03
Speaker 5: medical student that a medical student should have known more
58:06
Speaker 5: than the United Nations or the White House at the time.
58:11
Speaker 5: And so I'm curious just from a personal level, you know,
58:14
Speaker 5: as somebody who has spent so much time kind of
58:17
Speaker 5: serving the country, you know, eight years active duty and
58:21
Speaker 5: a lot lot more IRR National Guard, and you know,
58:26
Speaker 5: spent your life doing volunteer missions around the world. What's
58:28
Speaker 5: it like, what's been like to get into this partisan
58:31
Speaker 5: politics and have even your democratic you know, future colleague
58:35
Speaker 5: Josh Gottheimer raising questions about kind of your loyalty to
58:39
Speaker 5: the country. I just I can't imagine what that what
58:41
Speaker 5: that must be like after thirty years of a life
58:44
Speaker 5: of service.
58:46
Speaker 10: It's not this is not new for Muslim candidates jumping
58:51
Speaker 10: in on day one.
58:52
Speaker 5: I knew that I.
58:53
Speaker 10: Was going in as someone who was a witness to
58:56
Speaker 10: the genocide in Gaza, and that I would be facing
58:59
Speaker 10: a lot of resistance. I've been, you know, facing criticism
59:02
Speaker 10: from for several years and now since I came back,
59:05
Speaker 10: and I've been speaking up to my practice, to my person.
59:09
Speaker 10: You know, we've been getting attacked and I've been getting
59:11
Speaker 10: attacked now and it's just increased It's not a new narrative.
59:16
Speaker 10: You know, calling a Muslim a terrorists has been a
59:19
Speaker 10: go to you know, backstory for years. I've been called
59:23
Speaker 10: the anti apac candidate, since they want the last person
59:26
Speaker 10: in Congress that they want is someone who's actually been
59:29
Speaker 10: there and has been speaking up boldly and is not afraid.
59:33
Speaker 10: And so to have these attacks come in the last, uh,
59:36
Speaker 10: you know, a few days, is just showing their desperation.
59:39
Speaker 10: They have nothing else to talk about. You know, my
59:42
Speaker 10: my service to the country is clear. I've been you know,
59:46
Speaker 10: I've served in uniform. I've taken care of hundreds of
59:48
Speaker 10: American you know, men and women in combat in battle.
59:52
Speaker 10: I took care of a US you know, sitting senator.
59:55
Speaker 10: I was at nine to eleven on ground zero on
59:58
Speaker 10: that day, you know, helping first responders and actually climbed
1:00:02
Speaker 10: on the rubble to help someone that was trapped there. So,
1:00:05
Speaker 10: you know, they have nothing to say except grasp a
1:00:08
Speaker 10: straws now and start making up stories and connecting dots
1:00:12
Speaker 10: that really don't even exist. So that's the only thing
1:00:15
Speaker 10: they got to say. And again, let's look at the
1:00:18
Speaker 10: narrative and what I'm talking about. I'm talking about let's
1:00:21
Speaker 10: stop war, let's stop atrocities that we're funding, you know,
1:00:25
Speaker 10: let's save lives. And what they are pushing is increase
1:00:29
Speaker 10: funding to a foreign country that is breaking international human
1:00:33
Speaker 10: rights law, that is breaking US law by US supporting them,
1:00:36
Speaker 10: that we want to continue a genocide and killing children,
1:00:39
Speaker 10: innocent civilians that is continuing on to this day despite
1:00:42
Speaker 10: a ceasefire, and they're calling me the terrorist. So, you know,
1:00:47
Speaker 10: I think it's very clear for anyone who looks past
1:00:50
Speaker 10: the sensational headlines about where the truth is.
1:00:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it does seem like a tactic that has
1:00:58
Speaker 3: been used for many years, especially right now during the
1:01:01
Speaker 3: Gaza genocide, you know, labeling human rights workers or aid
1:01:07
Speaker 3: workers at the Red Cross or World Central kitchen as hamas.
1:01:12
Speaker 3: And I don't think that stuff really is gaining a
1:01:15
Speaker 3: lot of tracks anymore, or we hope it's not.
1:01:17
Speaker 5: But we saw that.
1:01:18
Speaker 3: But because that stuff seems ultimately a distraction from your campaign,
1:01:22
Speaker 3: So could you tell us a little bit about the
1:01:24
Speaker 3: core tenants of your campaign, what you want to do
1:01:26
Speaker 3: in New Jersey, and a little bit about the opponent
1:01:29
Speaker 3: you're running against.
1:01:31
Speaker 10: So I'm running in the crowded fields, so there's multiple opponents,
1:01:35
Speaker 10: and I've been running on basically as a doctor, as
1:01:38
Speaker 10: a physician who works here every day in New Jersey
1:01:41
Speaker 10: and has seen war you know, working in uniform, and
1:01:44
Speaker 10: also as a volunteer around the world, that we should
1:01:46
Speaker 10: be funding healthcare, not bonds. We have a healthcare system
1:01:50
Speaker 10: that's falling apart. We have insurance companies that are really
1:01:55
Speaker 10: pressing our patients every day, you know, denying surgeries, denying
1:01:59
Speaker 10: like you know, and at the same time making a
1:02:01
Speaker 10: profit off it. And we're told that we can't have
1:02:04
Speaker 10: Medicare for all because we can't afford it. And yet
1:02:06
Speaker 10: we could see all the wars that we've been funding
1:02:09
Speaker 10: over the decades and the one continuing to go on
1:02:11
Speaker 10: right now. I've been saying that we need to abolish
1:02:14
Speaker 10: ice because they've been terrorizing our communities. And it was
1:02:17
Speaker 10: just at Delaney Hall a couple of days ago, as
1:02:19
Speaker 10: again they're guessing senators and representatives and the people are
1:02:24
Speaker 10: being attacked and kidnapped by like, you know, mass stormtroopers,
1:02:28
Speaker 10: which is you know, really strange to see in my
1:02:31
Speaker 10: own country right now, And that we need to unrig
1:02:33
Speaker 10: this economy that's being run by corporations billionaires and corrupt
1:02:37
Speaker 10: special interests and really make it work for working people.
1:02:42
Speaker 10: That's basically that's been my message since day one. And
1:02:45
Speaker 10: apparently that makes me, you know, a radical because I'm
1:02:48
Speaker 10: saying that.
1:02:49
Speaker 3: And you said you're an anti APAC candidate. Have you
1:02:52
Speaker 3: noticed APAK get into this race.
1:02:54
Speaker 5: At all yet?
1:02:55
Speaker 10: Surprisingly No. I mean they've been working through again their
1:02:59
Speaker 10: their right wing you know media and you know, obviously
1:03:03
Speaker 10: Jewish Insider has been putting out an article on me
1:03:05
Speaker 10: every other day, attacking me. Uh, but I think they've
1:03:08
Speaker 10: been busy around the country. We just saw their thirty
1:03:11
Speaker 10: two million dollar race against Massey in Kentucky, and you know,
1:03:16
Speaker 10: they're they're fighting a battle on multiple fronts. Maybe they
1:03:19
Speaker 10: didn't see see me as a as big a threat
1:03:23
Speaker 10: as what they're being able to notice right now. But uh,
1:03:26
Speaker 10: I'm happy they didn't jump in. And uh, it's a
1:03:29
Speaker 10: few more days to go. It's not over yet. And
1:03:32
Speaker 10: as we see the contact, the attacks are continuing and
1:03:35
Speaker 10: I'm going to you know, keep pushing and giving my
1:03:37
Speaker 10: message till the last day.
1:03:39
Speaker 6: And what people have different visions for what it would
1:03:42
Speaker 6: look like to abolish ice and you know, do immigration
1:03:45
Speaker 6: enforcement in particular cases. What do you think immigration enforcement
1:03:50
Speaker 6: would look like without ICE?
1:03:51
Speaker 10: Well, there was there was life before Ice. You know,
1:03:54
Speaker 10: we had the i NS before. And what we need
1:03:57
Speaker 10: is an orderly system that respects human rights that ripe,
1:04:00
Speaker 10: that's civil liberties, that allows people to enter this kind
1:04:03
Speaker 10: of country, uh, legally and you know bring their talents
1:04:07
Speaker 10: and and abilities that have really made this country what
1:04:11
Speaker 10: it is with you know, generations of immigrants coming in here.
1:04:15
Speaker 10: And uh, you know, it's not like we have to
1:04:18
Speaker 10: reinvent the wheel. This this exists, It exists in other
1:04:21
Speaker 10: countries and uh, and we have to you know, look
1:04:26
Speaker 10: at like just around us, we are surrounded by immigrants
1:04:29
Speaker 10: that are neighbors that you know have you know, you know,
1:04:33
Speaker 10: pay taxes and really provide services that we we really
1:04:36
Speaker 10: need here. So let's go back and stop pointing fingers
1:04:40
Speaker 10: because both parties have dropped the ball about this. It's
1:04:43
Speaker 10: not just Republicans. There's Republicans and Democrats, and we need
1:04:47
Speaker 10: to you know, get this system so that we don't
1:04:49
Speaker 10: have these long lines waiting through a lottery system or
1:04:53
Speaker 10: you know, I have you know, neighbors that have been
1:04:55
Speaker 10: waiting like over a decade to be to have family
1:04:58
Speaker 10: members join them because our process is so broken. So
1:05:01
Speaker 10: it doesn't mean that we need to have this uh rogue,
1:05:06
Speaker 10: you know, force that is going and terrorizing communities and
1:05:10
Speaker 10: kidnapping people and drop broad daylight. You know, even in
1:05:13
Speaker 10: this district, Trenton, you know they've been there have been
1:05:16
Speaker 10: over like thirty abductions in the streets in broad daylight.
1:05:20
Speaker 10: Trenton is not the southern border. They're not protecting anyone here.
1:05:24
Speaker 10: What they're doing is attacking black and brown people. And
1:05:28
Speaker 10: and you know, we are every day moving towards a
1:05:31
Speaker 10: fascist country and losing our democracy. And we need to
1:05:36
Speaker 10: like get our heads on straight about you know, which
1:05:40
Speaker 10: direction you're heading for and what we want this country
1:05:42
Speaker 10: to look like for our children.
1:05:45
Speaker 5: And last question for me, you know, without kind of
1:05:48
Speaker 5: apac coming in and spending you know, millions of dollars,
1:05:51
Speaker 5: articles like the ones that have been you know, targeting you,
1:05:55
Speaker 5: I don't think reach you know, can reach people in
1:05:57
Speaker 5: the same way. But I'm curious, has like, as you've
1:06:00
Speaker 5: been out on the doors or at campaign stops, has
1:06:02
Speaker 5: anybody come up to you and said, wait, I read
1:06:05
Speaker 5: somewhere that you're al Qaeda.
1:06:07
Speaker 10: Not yet, not yet so you know, I've most I've
1:06:11
Speaker 10: been knocking on doors, you know, greeting people at train stations,
1:06:15
Speaker 10: standing at coffee shops, and I'm getting a lot of
1:06:18
Speaker 10: positive feedback. So I don't think you know, people have
1:06:24
Speaker 10: heard it, and I know they've I've heard more words
1:06:27
Speaker 10: of support saying I've seen that garbage that they're saying
1:06:30
Speaker 10: about you, and it's ridiculous. So people, I'm happy I
1:06:34
Speaker 10: live in a district that is as diverse as we
1:06:37
Speaker 10: live in here and is as intelligent, where people could
1:06:40
Speaker 10: see through the garbage and know that what we need
1:06:44
Speaker 10: in this country is bold, new leaders and not those
1:06:47
Speaker 10: beholden to apak that funds their campaigns and have put
1:06:51
Speaker 10: them in office and keeping them in office.
1:06:55
Speaker 3: It struck me that you mentioned earlier that you were
1:06:59
Speaker 3: at nine to eleven rescuing people, and of course there
1:07:04
Speaker 3: was a mass explosion of Islamophobia post nine to eleven.
1:07:10
Speaker 3: Tell me more about that day, your experience trying to
1:07:14
Speaker 3: rescue people, and the weeks and months after. Well, that's
1:07:20
Speaker 3: the day I will never forget.
1:07:22
Speaker 10: I was a resident at New York Presbyterian in the
1:07:26
Speaker 10: Upper East Side, and you know, in the morning we
1:07:30
Speaker 10: all reported to the emergency room. We had a rush
1:07:32
Speaker 10: of patients that came in from the initial collapse, and
1:07:37
Speaker 10: after I think eleven o'clock everything stopped and the NYPD
1:07:41
Speaker 10: asked for some volunteers, and some of the doctors and
1:07:44
Speaker 10: nurses like myself, jumped on a bus and under police escort,
1:07:49
Speaker 10: went all the way down to ground zero. We set
1:07:51
Speaker 10: up a field hospital in Stuyvesant High School, which was
1:07:54
Speaker 10: down there at the time, and worked through the night,
1:07:58
Speaker 10: you know, taking care of mostly first responders who were
1:08:01
Speaker 10: you know, getting injuried, getting injured and had like smoking
1:08:04
Speaker 10: relation as well, and and eye injuries. And then it
1:08:09
Speaker 10: was around midnight they said that there was someone trapped
1:08:12
Speaker 10: on the rubble. They needed some surgeons up because they
1:08:15
Speaker 10: were thinking that we might have to amputate to extract them.
1:08:18
Speaker 10: Thank god, we didn't have to do that, but we
1:08:21
Speaker 10: did climb up onto the rubble to help and we
1:08:24
Speaker 10: were finally able to get him up and down. So
1:08:28
Speaker 10: that's a crazy night. At the same time, my wife
1:08:30
Speaker 10: was in our apartment and I called her and you know,
1:08:34
Speaker 10: it was hard to reach because the signals were all
1:08:37
Speaker 10: down that day, told her to stay in her in
1:08:40
Speaker 10: the apartment and she didn't leave the apartment for about
1:08:44
Speaker 10: two weeks because of the the anti Wislim hate that
1:08:48
Speaker 10: was around that time. Even I on that day got
1:08:51
Speaker 10: you know, yelled at and screamed out by some of
1:08:54
Speaker 10: my doctor colleagues telling me it was my fault even there,
1:08:57
Speaker 10: even though I was physically.
1:08:59
Speaker 14: There and help OUs other doctors. Yeah, I will say doctor.
1:09:03
Speaker 14: It was one doctor who was in all my colleagues.
1:09:07
Speaker 14: And living in New York was tough after that.
1:09:10
Speaker 10: You know, we lived in the city walking through the streets,
1:09:14
Speaker 10: you know, you know, people spit up me and my
1:09:16
Speaker 10: wife and called us names and would shove and push
1:09:20
Speaker 10: us in the street. That's the environment that we lived in.
1:09:24
Speaker 10: And uh and unfortunately some of that still exists today.
1:09:30
Speaker 10: Most of it is gone. But you could see that
1:09:32
Speaker 10: some of the attacks right now are trying to pull
1:09:35
Speaker 10: on that fear and uh, pull on that that hatred
1:09:38
Speaker 10: that you know, is really a right wing tactic of
1:09:43
Speaker 10: about you know, whether it's fear of immigrants, whether it's
1:09:46
Speaker 10: a fear of Muslims, whether it's fear of some foreign
1:09:51
Speaker 10: threat that's going to you know, that we need to
1:09:54
Speaker 10: go into another war. That's how they work. And when
1:09:58
Speaker 10: all else fails that what they're flowing back to.
1:10:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think for no go ahead ahead. Yeah, I
1:10:05
Speaker 5: think for people who didn't kind of live through that period,
1:10:10
Speaker 5: those those first weeks and those months and then those
1:10:12
Speaker 5: first years, it's very very difficult to probably put your
1:10:16
Speaker 5: you know, put yourself, put yourself there. But it was
1:10:19
Speaker 5: there was a profound shift in that moment, and it Yeah,
1:10:23
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that you experienced that from other New Yorkers,
1:10:26
Speaker 5: but it's not surprising given given what the what the
1:10:30
Speaker 5: mood was like at the time. But I also wonder
1:10:32
Speaker 5: if if in a way you're the field experience that
1:10:36
Speaker 5: you had at that point doing volunteer work not just
1:10:39
Speaker 5: in the Balkans but around the world at that by
1:10:41
Speaker 5: then prepared you in a way that maybe some other
1:10:44
Speaker 5: American doctors weren't prepared because we hadn't had, you know,
1:10:48
Speaker 5: an attack on continental US, you know, since unless you
1:10:54
Speaker 5: count some doc attacks in World War two, you know,
1:10:58
Speaker 5: since you know, for two hundred years or so, in
1:11:01
Speaker 5: order for an American doctor to have experience with a
1:11:04
Speaker 5: field hospital in a crisis situation like that, you would
1:11:06
Speaker 5: actually have to go overseas.
1:11:10
Speaker 10: It's going overseas and working with mass casualties. You know,
1:11:14
Speaker 10: a mass casualty currently in the United States is usually
1:11:18
Speaker 10: you know, a car or bus accident that happens, you know,
1:11:21
Speaker 10: thank god, very rarely. And to actually have like more
1:11:27
Speaker 10: injuries which include a combination of blast burn, you know,
1:11:31
Speaker 10: penetrating injuries on a mass scale, and to be able
1:11:35
Speaker 10: to triage it besides field exercises where you're simulating it's
1:11:40
Speaker 10: it's an experience that most people, thank god, don't have.
1:11:46
Speaker 10: And that's again one of the reasons that I keep
1:11:51
Speaker 10: going is because I feel I have this experience. And
1:11:54
Speaker 10: even though for example, in Gaza, we've had several hundred
1:11:58
Speaker 10: doctors from the United States now volunteer, for most of them,
1:12:02
Speaker 10: it's the first time and going there with the team
1:12:06
Speaker 10: and being able to lend a hand and give my
1:12:09
Speaker 10: perspective about this is how you triage in a situation
1:12:13
Speaker 10: where you have very little resources and you have to
1:12:18
Speaker 10: like you know, move a lot of people through. I
1:12:21
Speaker 10: think it's important. And I think those hundreds of doctors
1:12:24
Speaker 10: that have been there now and have come back and
1:12:26
Speaker 10: are working now all over the countries in ers and
1:12:30
Speaker 10: and hospitals and cities and rural settings, you know, they're
1:12:34
Speaker 10: a huge asset now to the United States because of
1:12:37
Speaker 10: the experience that they've had over the last few years.
1:12:40
Speaker 6: And I was just gonna ask, I mean, the you've
1:12:44
Speaker 6: been getting tons of questions for years, not before the
1:12:46
Speaker 6: campaign about obviously Omar abdel Rahman, known as the Blind Cheek.
1:12:51
Speaker 4: And I was in the Midwest.
1:12:53
Speaker 6: On nine to eleven and after nine to eleven. Of course,
1:12:56
Speaker 6: I can't imagine what it was like to be there
1:13:00
Speaker 6: in the area in the days and weeks and years
1:13:02
Speaker 6: after nine to eleven, and how sensitive people were, how
1:13:05
Speaker 6: what it was like to be Muslim in the area,
1:13:07
Speaker 6: what it was like to feel like you were in
1:13:10
Speaker 6: danger in the area, And I wanted.
1:13:12
Speaker 4: To ask how you sort of have dealt with.
1:13:15
Speaker 6: Some of those what I imagine are difficult conversations. One
1:13:18
Speaker 6: quote recently, as you said, he did speak about violent things.
1:13:22
Speaker 4: This is in reference to the Blind Cheek.
1:13:24
Speaker 6: Even though you say that, I think most people disagree
1:13:27
Speaker 6: with and most people condemned, including myself, But it wasn't
1:13:29
Speaker 6: the only thing he spoke about. And I imagine that
1:13:32
Speaker 6: you've had conversations about your association with him over many years,
1:13:36
Speaker 6: with many different people, and just trying to kind of
1:13:39
Speaker 6: get along with your fellow Americans. What has that been
1:13:43
Speaker 6: like in this campaign and before this campaign.
1:13:46
Speaker 10: Well, you know, at that time, there was very few
1:13:51
Speaker 10: you know, religious figures for Muslims and New Jersey, New
1:13:54
Speaker 10: York area at the time, and he was a well
1:13:57
Speaker 10: known figure that was basically everywhere. I mean, you know,
1:14:01
Speaker 10: he went to different mosques and different you know locations,
1:14:05
Speaker 10: and people you know, you know saw him because he
1:14:08
Speaker 10: was just around. And when I first met him at
1:14:12
Speaker 10: that time, again, I was you know, just you know,
1:14:15
Speaker 10: I was already in the military, I was already serving,
1:14:17
Speaker 10: and he was in the area. What I was called
1:14:21
Speaker 10: to testify on is there was a last minute carpool
1:14:25
Speaker 10: I joined, not just him, but it was several community
1:14:27
Speaker 10: members and other religious figures at that time. And what
1:14:31
Speaker 10: I was called to testify on is a particular time,
1:14:34
Speaker 10: what I saw and what I heard. It was not
1:14:36
Speaker 10: as a character witness. It was not anything. You know,
1:14:40
Speaker 10: I've been condemning the violence for years. I've been condemning
1:14:43
Speaker 10: what he said and any violent actions. And the reason
1:14:48
Speaker 10: I was called as a witness is because I had
1:14:50
Speaker 10: nothing to do with it. I was never accused of
1:14:52
Speaker 10: anything at the time, before or after it was a small,
1:14:57
Speaker 10: fifteen to twenty minute testimony in a very long trial.
1:15:01
Speaker 10: I went and gave my testimony and left, and really
1:15:04
Speaker 10: no one said anything about it at the time because
1:15:07
Speaker 10: it was so insignificant. Again, it's one of those things
1:15:09
Speaker 10: about grasping at straws and trying to make something out
1:15:13
Speaker 10: of nothing because they have no other story to talk about.
1:15:18
Speaker 3: All right, well, Adam, where can people learn more about
1:15:21
Speaker 3: your campaign?
1:15:22
Speaker 5: Race? Follow you? We'll put a link in the description.
1:15:25
Speaker 10: Well, the race is almost over, so it's crunch time
1:15:28
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1:15:35
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1:15:39
Speaker 10: We need canvassers. We've been knocking on doors every day
1:15:42
Speaker 10: now and we have phone banking all across the country.
1:15:45
Speaker 10: So whether you're in California all the way to New Jersey,
1:15:48
Speaker 10: we could put you to work. And in New Jersey
1:15:51
Speaker 10: if you're in the district, the polls are open, so
1:15:55
Speaker 10: early voting is happening right now till Sunday. And please,
1:15:58
Speaker 10: if you haven't filled out mail in ballots, fill them out,
1:16:01
Speaker 10: put them in the mail. It's not doing you any
1:16:03
Speaker 10: good on the kitchen table.
1:16:06
Speaker 5: All right? Election is tuesday. If you live in New Jerseys, well,
1:16:10
Speaker 5: wherever you live in New Jersey, elections are on Tuesday.
1:16:12
Speaker 5: Do you go out and do your civic duty. We'll
1:16:15
Speaker 5: stay in touch and we'll talk to you soon. Doctor Hamwack,
1:16:17
Speaker 5: Thank you very much for having me.
1:16:19
Speaker 3: It wouldn't be a Friday show with some without some
1:16:22
Speaker 3: questions from our audience now on supercast dot com. So
1:16:28
Speaker 3: let's see what we've got here from the people who
1:16:30
Speaker 3: have put on our new thread here at the top,
1:16:33
Speaker 3: and then will also be a link in the description
1:16:35
Speaker 3: if anyone ever wants to submit a written question here.
1:16:39
Speaker 3: I'm just scrolling through some of them right now. Sager,
1:16:42
Speaker 3: can you make another I Will eat my sock prediction? Listen,
1:16:45
Speaker 3: you got to you gotta save these for the live stream,
1:16:47
Speaker 3: because that's the only one that Sager does.
1:16:50
Speaker 5: All right?
1:16:50
Speaker 3: This one from Walter Zikanowski. Why do you think AOC
1:16:55
Speaker 3: avoids alternative news shows slash podcasts like Breaking Points?
1:17:02
Speaker 5: Ran? I think she. I think she doesn't see the
1:17:07
Speaker 5: upside and only sees a downside. That's my kind that's
1:17:11
Speaker 5: my kind of sense of it. She she does do
1:17:15
Speaker 5: you know, she'll she answers questions very very openly on
1:17:18
Speaker 5: Capitol Hill, you know, for anybody who comes up with
1:17:21
Speaker 5: a camera, whether it's mainstream or drop site or anybody else.
1:17:27
Speaker 4: She talks to Julian all the time.
1:17:29
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she'll talk to Pablo like she'll she'll talk
1:17:31
Speaker 5: to literally anybody on Capitol Hill, trolls anybody else, and
1:17:38
Speaker 5: she'll do what you know, cable hits that are shorter,
1:17:43
Speaker 5: you know, the independent media hits. I think they generally
1:17:46
Speaker 5: significantly longer, more room for something to be like clipped
1:17:52
Speaker 5: and cause problems. But I but I don't know, it's
1:17:55
Speaker 5: a it's a it's a good question. You know, she's
1:17:59
Speaker 5: always had this like I'm going to I'm going to
1:18:01
Speaker 5: create my own audience. And she knows she's got what
1:18:04
Speaker 5: twelve million Twitter followers and millions on Instagram.
1:18:06
Speaker 4: It's a good point.
1:18:07
Speaker 5: So she has this ability. She does these Instagram lives
1:18:11
Speaker 5: where she's you know, creating an intimate, direct, parasocial connection
1:18:16
Speaker 5: to that audience. I selfishly, I think that independent media
1:18:22
Speaker 5: is a good place for all politicians, and it's a
1:18:24
Speaker 5: good place to hone the ability to have longer conversations.
1:18:27
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's my that's my sense.
1:18:30
Speaker 6: And to build trust with those audiences. But yeah, it's odd.
1:18:33
Speaker 6: It is interesting. I hadn't thought about the fact that
1:18:35
Speaker 6: she if you come up to her with a camera
1:18:36
Speaker 6: and a mic, doesn't matter if you're the Daily Caller
1:18:38
Speaker 6: or drops it like, she will talk to you on
1:18:40
Speaker 6: Capitol Hills. So the risk a version, I get it.
1:18:42
Speaker 6: I actually I do understand that you're going to get
1:18:45
Speaker 6: a really tough interview on independent media of people who
1:18:48
Speaker 6: are like maybe more connected to the grassroots.
1:18:49
Speaker 4: Where there have been there have has been.
1:18:52
Speaker 6: Like a lot of fighting about some of this stuff
1:18:55
Speaker 6: and best tactics and the like. But it is kind
1:18:58
Speaker 6: of interesting that she takes the Capital Hill questions.
1:19:01
Speaker 3: I've changed my mind a little bit since the last
1:19:03
Speaker 3: time we all talked on Friday Show about this, because
1:19:05
Speaker 3: you know, getting I don't know if you get tougher
1:19:09
Speaker 3: questions on independent media. I think there's only like three
1:19:12
Speaker 3: places that do confrontational interviews, like adversarial interviews, like US,
1:19:17
Speaker 3: but you know, maybe Meddi Hassan, but like you know,
1:19:21
Speaker 3: like we but like you know, people are like, oh well,
1:19:23
Speaker 3: Trump went on all the podcasts, but those podcasts were
1:19:26
Speaker 3: not adversarial. They were, they were meat writing Trump on
1:19:30
Speaker 3: all of them, like none.
1:19:31
Speaker 4: Of them are.
1:19:32
Speaker 6: Well, she did a lot of glaser and that's not
1:19:34
Speaker 6: going to be adversary, right, like it was a yeah exactly.
1:19:38
Speaker 3: So I think there's this confusion where it's like, oh,
1:19:40
Speaker 3: you need to go on independent media and need to
1:19:41
Speaker 3: go on podcasts to have these adversarial conversations, but that
1:19:44
Speaker 3: doesn't really exist in the independent media sphere either, Like
1:19:48
Speaker 3: if like if AOC goes on pod Save America, it's
1:19:51
Speaker 3: it's not going to be adversarial.
1:19:53
Speaker 4: They can do it some decent internet scene.
1:19:56
Speaker 5: It's it's not going to be adversarial.
1:19:58
Speaker 6: Though, I think I assume this question was about us,
1:20:01
Speaker 6: and yeah, like medi ziteo, but.
1:20:05
Speaker 3: We are unique in the independent media space that we
1:20:08
Speaker 3: ask hard questions to even people that we may be
1:20:11
Speaker 3: politically inclined to support. And I think that makes us
1:20:14
Speaker 3: like unique and different and kind of makes sense why
1:20:18
Speaker 3: people don't want to have an Alyssa Slotkin moment or
1:20:21
Speaker 3: something like that. But that doesn't necessarily mean that they're
1:20:24
Speaker 3: not going to go on podcasts, because I think most
1:20:26
Speaker 3: podcasts are not going to be like us.
1:20:30
Speaker 6: I don't know my assumption is Alyssa Sluckin probably saw
1:20:33
Speaker 6: that as a success. I think we've talked about this before,
1:20:35
Speaker 6: but like just being in front of the audience and
1:20:37
Speaker 6: looking like you can do it.
1:20:39
Speaker 5: M hmm. Yeah.
1:20:40
Speaker 3: I just think that there's like, honestly, in the independent
1:20:43
Speaker 3: media landscape or in the podcast landscape, you might get
1:20:46
Speaker 3: tougher questions on CNN or instead, but sometimes like bullshit, I.
1:20:52
Speaker 5: Think that wait, what's her face? Who's the main It.
1:20:55
Speaker 6: Depends on if we're talking about like podcasts like Alana
1:20:58
Speaker 6: Glazer or podcast like Breaking Points.
1:21:01
Speaker 3: Well, look at like even like the question obviously, like
1:21:04
Speaker 3: Sean Hannity glazes Trump all the time, but like Sean
1:21:07
Speaker 3: Hannity is going to ask real questions that the Knelk
1:21:11
Speaker 3: boys are not going to ask, right, Like.
1:21:14
Speaker 5: I feel like I don't know.
1:21:16
Speaker 6: I mean, sometimes Trump's best interviews are the ones that
1:21:18
Speaker 6: aren't adversarial because he just starts riffing. And He's had
1:21:21
Speaker 6: some of his best like moments on Hannity actually because
1:21:25
Speaker 6: he's so comfortable with him. But sometimes then the Knolk Boys,
1:21:28
Speaker 6: because the knock Boys are Rogan, maybe it would be
1:21:31
Speaker 6: an a lot of Glazer, but because they don't really
1:21:33
Speaker 6: know what they're talking about. They also don't know what
1:21:35
Speaker 6: the third reels they aren't supposed to touch are, so
1:21:38
Speaker 6: sometimes they stumble into those conversations that they don't.
1:21:41
Speaker 4: Mean to be happening. So I don't know. I think
1:21:43
Speaker 4: it could go both ways.
1:21:44
Speaker 6: But I also think like the good indie shows I
1:21:48
Speaker 6: agree with you are very distinct from the bad indie shows,
1:21:51
Speaker 6: and the bad indie shows, it is possible.
1:21:53
Speaker 4: They may be worse than Cable. That's probably true.
1:21:57
Speaker 3: I ad that's at least my view on it. Okay,
1:22:00
Speaker 3: Next one from Kevin Najedley Ryan. If Rocanna wins presidency
1:22:03
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty eight and wants you to be a
1:22:05
Speaker 3: Secretary of State, Okay, too crazy, too crazy things have
1:22:09
Speaker 3: to happen there for this to work, would you do it?
1:22:12
Speaker 5: I hope this is not just fantasy world. It is.
1:22:15
Speaker 5: I think you would be great choice for secretary of State,
1:22:19
Speaker 5: only if I'm also a National security advisor, head of
1:22:23
Speaker 5: UFID and also head of the Pentagon.
1:22:27
Speaker 4: They're not giving you clearance.
1:22:29
Speaker 5: Uh Roe could give the clearance. He can wave it
1:22:32
Speaker 5: right through. What else I mean? So I want no rivals,
1:22:36
Speaker 5: you know, unchecked? Yeah? Right, right, right, I.
1:22:40
Speaker 6: Would definitely put you in charge of the National Archives.
1:22:42
Speaker 6: We would know immediately what happens to jfk oh Da.
1:22:45
Speaker 5: I want Dea too. Some heads are going to roll
1:22:49
Speaker 5: in there.
1:22:53
Speaker 3: All right, so he will be the everyman Marco Rubio
1:22:56
Speaker 3: of the Rocanna administration. And our final question from.
1:23:00
Speaker 5: Nicholas El Salvador Ohn, Vice Viceroy of El Salvador.
1:23:06
Speaker 3: All right, Rokanna get to work, So from Nicholas Jurista.
1:23:12
Speaker 3: Not a supporter of the iron Ward all but you
1:23:14
Speaker 3: guys used used to do an amazing job on having
1:23:18
Speaker 3: multiple viewpoints. Now it appears to me one sided.
1:23:21
Speaker 5: Again.
1:23:22
Speaker 3: I don't agree with the war at all, but it
1:23:23
Speaker 3: would be nice to have others on that have a
1:23:25
Speaker 3: difference of opinions.
1:23:26
Speaker 5: Truly appreciate all that you guys do. Now.
1:23:30
Speaker 3: I have asked before, should we get some some pro
1:23:34
Speaker 3: Iran war people on the show, But you know that
1:23:38
Speaker 3: will just turn kind of like a like a shouting debate, right,
1:23:42
Speaker 3: I don't know.
1:23:42
Speaker 5: I I think that's good. And we were we were
1:23:47
Speaker 5: also talking about uh, you know internally, uh, you know, booking.
1:23:53
Speaker 5: It's you know, the proactive booking takes you know, it
1:23:58
Speaker 5: takes time to you know, set aside time to think
1:24:01
Speaker 5: like okay, three days from now, like because it's it
1:24:04
Speaker 5: takes a little bit. If you want, like Mark Dubowitz,
1:24:06
Speaker 5: you got to like reach out and schedule them and
1:24:08
Speaker 5: he's not going to come on the next day necessarily.
1:24:11
Speaker 5: But I I think I think it's a fair point. Actually, yeah, now, yeah,
1:24:15
Speaker 5: I agree with that. The show's premise has been not
1:24:19
Speaker 5: not it's not a both sides show. It's like, yes,
1:24:22
Speaker 5: it's like the views from regular people who disagree on
1:24:28
Speaker 5: some things but are just regular people. Doesn't mean you
1:24:31
Speaker 5: have to then carve out space for the donor class
1:24:35
Speaker 5: to get their say and yeah so and the Iran War,
1:24:39
Speaker 5: like there's not a whole lot of grassroots public support
1:24:43
Speaker 5: for it, so that segment of the population is not
1:24:48
Speaker 5: really being ignored. The population that's being ignored is the
1:24:51
Speaker 5: like donor class that loves the neocon class that loves them,
1:24:54
Speaker 5: and we never really promised to give them a voice.
1:24:57
Speaker 6: Well, I like what you just said about how it's
1:24:58
Speaker 6: not a both sides show, because what the show is
1:25:00
Speaker 6: really about is what we all share, the foundation that
1:25:03
Speaker 6: we all build the show off of, is that the
1:25:06
Speaker 6: establishment is corrupt and broken, and so our job is
1:25:10
Speaker 6: not to do what everybody else in the quote unquote
1:25:14
Speaker 6: mainstream media does, which is take them credibly and seriously.
1:25:19
Speaker 6: But we've from the left and from the right approach
1:25:22
Speaker 6: everything through the lens of that the political establishment is
1:25:25
Speaker 6: corrupt and broken and the system isn't working. So sometimes
1:25:27
Speaker 6: that means on the tax code, for example, I'm going
1:25:30
Speaker 6: to say that we should have a flat tax, and
1:25:32
Speaker 6: you guys are going to say, no, we need a
1:25:33
Speaker 6: taxation to be more progressive. But what we're not going
1:25:36
Speaker 6: to do is be like, actually, we need more corporate
1:25:38
Speaker 6: carve routes for the.
1:25:39
Speaker 4: Sake of GDP.
1:25:40
Speaker 6: And that then applies to if you apply that to
1:25:43
Speaker 6: foreign policy, it means we're really not going to have
1:25:47
Speaker 6: the type of pundits on and treat them credibly unless
1:25:52
Speaker 6: it's really adversarial in a debate that they don't buy
1:25:55
Speaker 6: into the premise of our establishment being corrupt and broken
1:25:59
Speaker 6: and the like. But I actually agree with the viewer
1:26:03
Speaker 6: who's submitted to this question that it's not a bad
1:26:05
Speaker 6: idea to have debates when it makes sense. And so
1:26:10
Speaker 6: is there are people in MAGA because I do a
1:26:13
Speaker 6: serious sex I'm show where it take calls every day
1:26:15
Speaker 6: from right leaning people, and there are people in MAGA
1:26:19
Speaker 6: who make arguments that we really disagree with, but they
1:26:21
Speaker 6: feel like it's actually the corrupt elite who hasn't pushed back.
1:26:25
Speaker 4: Against Iran since nineteen seventy nine.
1:26:27
Speaker 6: I don't agree with that viewpoint, but they feel like
1:26:29
Speaker 6: the foreign policy establishment has actually been cowardly when it
1:26:32
Speaker 6: comes to Iran. And so that's a viewpoint that I
1:26:35
Speaker 6: think might be worth debating because none of us agree
1:26:38
Speaker 6: with it, but that's the type of thing that we
1:26:41
Speaker 6: probably could set up with someone.
1:26:43
Speaker 5: So I think I think that's great, that's more work.
1:26:46
Speaker 3: Okay, well it's a fair criticism. And now I am
1:26:50
Speaker 3: booking Mark Levin for Monday, so everybody get excited for that.
1:26:54
Speaker 5: I would love to hear his reaction, although we can
1:26:57
Speaker 5: get it Saturday night on Fire.
1:26:58
Speaker 3: Ryan Graham, all right, well that's going to do it
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