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A Time to Tell All · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with i R Radio. We're back with another almost famous podcast. Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: How you doing? I am fine. How are you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I say I'm fine because like Bachelor and Asian Dude
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  Speaker 1: has been heavy. There's been like so much going on
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  Speaker 1: in the past month. Yeah. You know, my my one
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  Speaker 1: buddy from the show, uh said it best because I
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  Speaker 1: was looking for the words to say. Um, because you know,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of this is like friends of ours, people
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  Speaker 1: that we know. It's also the world that we live in,
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  Speaker 1: and so like we're very much directly like associated with it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like it's our day to day lives. It's not like
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  Speaker 1: we just come on here and talk about it on
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, like we talk about it off the mic,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, me and Jared always around our apartment.
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  Speaker 1: It's like our life. Yeah it is, and it's our
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  Speaker 1: friend group and so and I mean I think you
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  Speaker 1: could even say that with the fans, like the fans
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  Speaker 1: reaction to everything going on right now, you can tell
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  Speaker 1: people are invested and they should be right. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's not uh that they love the show. They followed
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  Speaker 1: the show. A lot of them have grown up with
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  Speaker 1: the show. And so all of us that are within
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  Speaker 1: this Bachelor Nation family are processing stuff so that the
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  Speaker 1: word that my friend used is uh, it's disorienting, not
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  Speaker 1: meaning that it's uh not me. It's just there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot and it's hard to process quickly. I think we're
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  Speaker 1: seeing that. It's hard to um, kind of grasp where
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  Speaker 1: it's going. It's hard. It's hard to understand everybody's reactions
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  Speaker 1: to things like you know, I mean, we could say it,
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  Speaker 1: but like the fact that Rachel Lindsay is being bullied, Um,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to process. Like why is the question there?
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  Speaker 1: Like what what? What? What's the hope in that? And
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  Speaker 1: then also what's the future of this? Shows it's obviously
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  Speaker 1: uh up in question right now at all levels. And
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  Speaker 1: then also what does this mean for us personally? Like
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  Speaker 1: what what are the moments that we're learning from? Uh,
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  Speaker 1: what are the teachable moments? What are the maybe the
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  Speaker 1: moments that uh people need to be still held accountable for. Like,
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  Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on. It's disorienting, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to process. I'm sure a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: listening can feel the same way. UM, So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: talk about that. We're gonna We're gonna break down the headlines.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about everything going on in Bachelor Nation,
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  Speaker 1: the best that we know how and the best that
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  Speaker 1: we can. Uh. We're also gonna talk about this week's
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  Speaker 1: latest episode, which was the Tell All, and talk about
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  Speaker 1: our opinions of that. But before we do, I just
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  Speaker 1: got back from Honduras last night, Ashley, and I want
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  Speaker 1: to tell you a story. Now, this story could be
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  Speaker 1: for some a little bit uh disturbing, and so I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna say now if you if you're not wanting to
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  Speaker 1: hear it, you can skip through it. It's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: about the clean up from the hurricane. So it's nothing, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, but it's important to note. So, Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I just got back last night from Honduras. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 1: I to go COVID test before I went, and a
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  Speaker 1: COVID test while I was down there so I could
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  Speaker 1: come back safely. We went down with the effort to
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  Speaker 1: kind of analyze what the impact of the two hurricanes
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  Speaker 1: that hit Honduras were. I talked about that last week. Um,
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  Speaker 1: incredible work that the people in Honduras are doing right now.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to give the the praise of the government,
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  Speaker 1: because I don't think the government has done a lot,
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  Speaker 1: but the people of Honduras, the citizens on Honduras, have
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  Speaker 1: really stepped up, uh and joined together and united to
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  Speaker 1: do the effort to clean this whole thing up. Well
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  Speaker 1: in our communities, Uh there we we. You know, there
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  Speaker 1: are small businesses that have been created alongside of the
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  Speaker 1: people in the communities. One of those small business is
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  Speaker 1: raising chickens. Um it's a huge deal for us. It
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  Speaker 1: employs a bunch of people. These businesses are owned by
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  Speaker 1: the people in the communities. Now, well, this is how
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  Speaker 1: incredible the Honduran people are and how much do they
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  Speaker 1: believe in the work that they're doing. So I was
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  Speaker 1: down there and I was talking to one of my
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  Speaker 1: friends who lives there named Amerta. Amritha has kind of
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  Speaker 1: became if you and Manny and Hope family like famous
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  Speaker 1: in a sense. She's just an incredible human. She leads
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  Speaker 1: the projects, the small businesses. And she was telling me
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  Speaker 1: that right before the hurricane hip they had raised chickens
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  Speaker 1: that were in a chicken coup and yeah, and they
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  Speaker 1: had gotten to full size, uh, and they're getting ready
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  Speaker 1: to be brought to the buyer of these chickens, and
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  Speaker 1: the flood started to come in and so the road
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  Speaker 1: was actually closed so they couldn't get the chickens out.
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  Speaker 1: And then the floods they drowned, which is super sad
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  Speaker 1: and really sad for the women. So they drowned, but
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  Speaker 1: then they sat for two months. And so these women
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  Speaker 1: have invested the last like three weeks of their life
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  Speaker 1: into cleaning that up. You can imagine. I don't need
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  Speaker 1: to go into visceral detail of what that means. But
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  Speaker 1: they did this because they believe in their small businesses,
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  Speaker 1: they believe in each other. But also you've got to
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  Speaker 1: think about the trauma that just happens to that the
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  Speaker 1: people that are working on those who have, you know,
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  Speaker 1: built a life around these chicken coubs, who have built
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  Speaker 1: a life around these chickens, who loves these chickens, and
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  Speaker 1: in to go in and have to pick up and
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  Speaker 1: start over again, and and to have it done in
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  Speaker 1: that way. That's just one example of the destruction has happened.
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  Speaker 1: Like their homes are gone, Uh, their furniture is gone. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: There there's a pastor down there whose house literally is
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  Speaker 1: ripped into and uh, not more than a year and
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  Speaker 1: a half ago, I was sitting there at his house
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  Speaker 1: having dinner, and he sat like made this dinner for
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  Speaker 1: for my mom and I outside, uh, and he was
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  Speaker 1: chopping up coconuts. And it's like one of the coolest
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  Speaker 1: experience I've ever had. And this time, like his house
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  Speaker 1: is gone, and so now that he's living, um, him
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  Speaker 1: and his kids are living in a house that was
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  Speaker 1: like kind of just built, that's probably like ten by
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  Speaker 1: ten maybe yeah, Um. And it's it's crazy because his
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  Speaker 1: son is the very first kid to go to college
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  Speaker 1: from this community. And so his son's in college and
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  Speaker 1: doing his studies from this house, and he's studying to
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  Speaker 1: be an architect. And this is like, this is like
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  Speaker 1: wild stuff. And I say all of this to give
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  Speaker 1: us perspective in this moment, especially on like, uh, the
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  Speaker 1: need that's out there, but also just the injustice that
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  Speaker 1: people are facing, the hurt that people are facing in
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  Speaker 1: to say, like, for a second, maybe if you get
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  Speaker 1: some time to take a second, take a deep breath,
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  Speaker 1: and recognize, like what maybe your role is in helping
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  Speaker 1: those who need it the most. So I just got
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  Speaker 1: back there's a lot the process we don't need to
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  Speaker 1: do on this podcast. Um, but finally I want to
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  Speaker 1: share a story from last week to move on to
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  Speaker 1: a whole different topic. After this podcast, I got off
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  Speaker 1: the podcast, Ashley and I texted the group my house.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody out there listening to this
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  Speaker 1: has ever had this. My house was infested with flies.
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  Speaker 1: Had thousands of flies in my house here in Denver.
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  Speaker 1: Did you find the root? Cause? Yeah, they they laid
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  Speaker 1: eggs in a in a cactus that I have in
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  Speaker 1: the house and they birth. So rap the podcast, I
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  Speaker 1: got up and there's there's like flies everywhere. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: switching gears very quickly. I just want to give a
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  Speaker 1: quick update on that the flies are now gone. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know how they got there. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: to stop this from happening. I don't even know how
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  Speaker 1: I got rid of them. That's the thing. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I got rid of them. They
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  Speaker 1: just like no longer exists. Well, there's a lot on
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  Speaker 1: the there was there was, I've swept it up. There's
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  Speaker 1: a lot on the floor around the cactus. They're like
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  Speaker 1: little baby flies. Um. So, if anybody out there is
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  Speaker 1: listening has any idea of why this happened to me
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  Speaker 1: in this house, and like, how I can stop this
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  Speaker 1: from having if you just let me know, like email us,
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  Speaker 1: message me on Instagram, tweet us, just like thousands of flies,
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  Speaker 1: which is like a fun thing. But Benny, you really
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  Speaker 1: have like an opportunity to teach us how to kill flies,
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  Speaker 1: and you just didn't figure it out. Well, I did
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  Speaker 1: this like vinegar lemon vinegar soap. Yes, yes, that that
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  Speaker 1: that definitely works because when we had fruit flies in
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  Speaker 1: our kitchen, there's like these little apples you get on
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  Speaker 1: Amazon and you fill it up with like water, lemon
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  Speaker 1: and vinegar and then they fly in there and die
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  Speaker 1: and it really does clean up the situation within like
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  Speaker 1: two days. Really, So that worked for you. Yeah, I guess. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They never were inside the bowl though, So hey, actually
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  Speaker 1: that's my little soapbox. Um, let's get started. Okay, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's women Tell all. Um. Yeah, this is the first
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  Speaker 1: time that we Yeah, this is like the most born
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  Speaker 1: women tell all of all time. Just say it bluntly.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that? There was something very strange in this episode.
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  Speaker 1: There was so much regurgitation of things that happened throughout
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  Speaker 1: the season. It was really more of a recap than
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  Speaker 1: it was a tell all. Do you think it's appropriate
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  Speaker 1: for the time though, yes, yes, yes. There's a reason
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  Speaker 1: that they did this, or so I suspect, and that
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  Speaker 1: is because they got so much flak this season for
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  Speaker 1: all the girl on girl drama, so much cattiness, so
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  Speaker 1: much bullying. I think people didn't want to see more
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  Speaker 1: fighting amongst this group, and I think that would the
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  Speaker 1: women tell all was designed to be a little bit calmer,
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  Speaker 1: with less confer intation than usual, and I think that was, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: probably a very good decision. We didn't need any more
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  Speaker 1: of it. We already think we saw too much fighting.
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  Speaker 1: It's all we complained about. We complained about not being
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  Speaker 1: able to see these girls in their connection with Matt
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  Speaker 1: because there was so much drama. So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: if we did see fighting, we'd probably be complaining that
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  Speaker 1: there was too much, And now we're a little bit
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  Speaker 1: complaining about the fact that there wasn't enough to keep
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  Speaker 1: our interest. But hey, I guess I'd rather that. I
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  Speaker 1: I do think it's that right. I mean, at this
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  Speaker 1: point with everything going on, uh and kind of we
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  Speaker 1: talked about it here most weeks, and our listeners are
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  Speaker 1: in there was too much dramas, too much bowling. It
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  Speaker 1: was hard to watch. It felt it felt um like
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  Speaker 1: too heavy every week in the sense of like why
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  Speaker 1: why is why is this the way that humans treat
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  Speaker 1: each other? And so I in a lot of ways,
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad that we didn't have to watch that during
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  Speaker 1: Women's Talk, because that's typically the place where we see
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  Speaker 1: the most like arguing, Like that's where it all comes
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  Speaker 1: to a surface, is on Women Tell All when people
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  Speaker 1: are like I didn't like you either, and they all
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  Speaker 1: yellow each other. It just wasn't it wasn't needed here.
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised with how little we saw Victoria. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: me too, so much so that I had to rewind
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  Speaker 1: to see if like I missed something. I was like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I know she talks to she talks mad at
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  Speaker 1: the end, and she actually seems like very emotional and
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  Speaker 1: sincere I really think she did. And then the only
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  Speaker 1: other time we really see her is when she totally
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  Speaker 1: gaslights Ryan. She is like, so, I have gotten so
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  Speaker 1: much hate and death threats, but like I've been able
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  Speaker 1: to take it, like, are you just a really emotional person?
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  Speaker 1: Like and then she's like, um, it's very very hurtful
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  Speaker 1: things that they've been saying. And she's like, yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: are you like very emotional because I've been able to
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  Speaker 1: handle it, but it doesn't seem like you're doing a
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  Speaker 1: very good job. It was so bad. But that was
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  Speaker 1: the only, like she only really had conflict with Ryan,
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  Speaker 1: and it was like, and I'm not going to say
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  Speaker 1: that that was minimal because she's definitely like kind of
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  Speaker 1: trying to put her down, but like in the grand
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  Speaker 1: scheme of all the things she did this season, for
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  Speaker 1: there just to be that little moment seemed like not
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  Speaker 1: a lot. That was a weird that's a weird moment
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  Speaker 1: thought it. You know, I think I do get the
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  Speaker 1: sense that she like has this has affected her and
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  Speaker 1: that she is doing some self like reflection and inspection,
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  Speaker 1: but like, you know, we can't. You know, she's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna come out here and like have it all together.
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  Speaker 1: And that was like a moment was like there's victoria
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  Speaker 1: like that that that there, there's still a little bit
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  Speaker 1: there that you know, maybe she'll watch it back and
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  Speaker 1: she's like, hey, that was mean too. I should not
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  Speaker 1: have said, like called right now for not being emotional,
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  Speaker 1: Like that's not a helpful question. Nor to put you
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  Speaker 1: on a like in a corner. They would have to respond. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and she actually apologizes to Katie too, you know, she says, like,
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  Speaker 1: sorry for the name calling. Katie accepts her apology. That's
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  Speaker 1: a that's a good part about this woman. Tell all,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like pretty much all the women are they're
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  Speaker 1: apologizing and then they are accepting these apologies. It's kind
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  Speaker 1: of like when we see Brittany and um Anna, because
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  Speaker 1: of course we know that Anna called her an escort,
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  Speaker 1: high class escort. Um and Anna just she just really
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  Speaker 1: seems sincere and apologizing to her. Of course, Brittany calls
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  Speaker 1: her out for having apologized right there on TV instead
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  Speaker 1: of like talking to her off camera, which you know
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  Speaker 1: is a great point. But Brittany does end up accepting
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  Speaker 1: her apology, and Anna just feels like she's just so
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  Speaker 1: embarrassed by her behavior there, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: If we can say one thing about this season, I
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  Speaker 1: do think that to contestants have shown through a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the things that are happening that they want to
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  Speaker 1: come together and that they're trying to be better. Like
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  Speaker 1: I think when you're on a season that is pretty
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  Speaker 1: much like defined by the bowling and the criticism and
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  Speaker 1: the name calling. You have to take a step back
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  Speaker 1: and say, like, what was my role in that? And
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  Speaker 1: h is there is there? Is there anything coming to
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  Speaker 1: the surface that I can improve on? And I will
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  Speaker 1: say I watched it sounds like I think they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to get better. Um, is there anybody from this before
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  Speaker 1: we get into kind of the extra scenes that were shown,
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  Speaker 1: the parts of the dates, uh that that we hadn't
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  Speaker 1: watched on TV that was shown during this episode? Is
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  Speaker 1: there anybody after watching this segment that they stood out
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  Speaker 1: to you, UM to say, oh, yeah, this is a paradise,
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  Speaker 1: person like, I can see this kind of being their
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  Speaker 1: launching pad in the paradise. I think Anna. I think
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  Speaker 1: the people who are guaranteed to be there are Anna, Chelsea,
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  Speaker 1: probably Brittany, Um Katie. You know if those rumors of
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  Speaker 1: her being bachelorette aren't true, I mean, we know Victoria's
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  Speaker 1: a shoe in. You think so I would argue she's not.
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  Speaker 1: You think that Victoria is not a shoe in. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's the way the show goes. I
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to be very careful about you think
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  Speaker 1: that they may not bring the bullier in and give
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  Speaker 1: him a second chance. I mean they typically have and typically,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you see that the villain, the villain become
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  Speaker 1: way more likable and relatable in Paradise. Yeah, so it
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  Speaker 1: just kind of matters. I guess where Victoria is at
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  Speaker 1: and what she's you know, what kind of work she's done,
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  Speaker 1: and where she's sitting in her life at that point. Um. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe, I mean after this episode, maybe I think
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  Speaker 1: I do think it was a step forward. I would
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  Speaker 1: say me too. She like she put herself together. It
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  Speaker 1: was a big jump. Uh. Kit will definitely be in Paradise,
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  Speaker 1: Piper will be in Paradise, And I think Abigail is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the bachelorette. They definitely gave her the bachelorette.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to say edit, but like they hyped
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  Speaker 1: her up the moment during this tell all. Yeah, I'd agree.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and I don't think that's a shock. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think since episode one, we were like,
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  Speaker 1: this girl has so many great qualities. Her and Matt
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  Speaker 1: didn't work out. We never really knew why. That was
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  Speaker 1: always kind of a mystery on like what happened there,
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  Speaker 1: what wasn't, what didn't call to me in like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's always funny because of my like single
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  Speaker 1: buddies during a season, they always text me, hooked me
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  Speaker 1: up with, introduced me to, and like, Abigail is definitely
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  Speaker 1: the consensus like pick Like you know, I've gotten a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like pipers as well, um Breeth. I think
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  Speaker 1: during her one on one I kind of got some
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  Speaker 1: text but like Abigail has kind of stayed consistent throughout
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  Speaker 1: the season. When it comes to hey, can you introduce
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  Speaker 1: me to Abigail? I like hearing that guys are into
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  Speaker 1: her because like that means that guys are into like
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  Speaker 1: really good hearted, sweet girls. She's a sweet girl. She
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  Speaker 1: is um and she's shown it consistently, So I'm not
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  Speaker 1: gonna be shocked if it's Abigail and uh and I
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  Speaker 1: would be excited about that. Now. Actually, there were some
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  Speaker 1: like you know, for as many things that happened this season,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I remember a couple of episodes were like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: they said there was gonna be a group date and
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  Speaker 1: nothing was shown what happened to the date. Well, we're
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  Speaker 1: getting a little bit more of that during this episode
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  Speaker 1: where they're showing some more behind the scenes of some
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  Speaker 1: of these dates. Some of the more like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I told you on the date that I hosted, it
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  Speaker 1: was an all day thing, and I think the date
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  Speaker 1: ended up being ten minutes. Now, granted it was a mess,
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  Speaker 1: like I failed completely at helping navigate an opposite of courts,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Like there was no organization to it. There was all
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: these stations that weren't shown because they had to eat
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: pancakes and it was like three huge pancakes that they
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: had to eat at one time. And it was like,
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know about you. There's no shot
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: anybody can eat three pancakes without really like any liquid
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: to like wash it down. There was there was like water,
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I think, but like, um, it was just it was
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: like a cluster. That scene made me want to postmate's
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: eye hops so bad. Yeah. Um, then there was it
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: was weird that they didn't that they showed Jojo and
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: Tatious date but they never acknowledged that they were there.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And they hosted a date when Harrison says, We're gonna
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: show you a date from this season that didn't make
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: air because like we you know, we had to cut
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: it out or whatever I thought it was going to be.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: There's like those girls went the knemical in and they
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: quarantined for a week and then they just didn't get
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: their date shown. Why do you think that is? I think? Well,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I mean I texted Jojo. I was like, oh my god,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I can't believe your date cut cut And she said
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: that I just didn't fit with the with like the
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: narrative of the episode. It's so wild. This is so
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: weird that like this whole day it happened. I mean
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: I was there during that. It looked fun too. They
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: were like, what eating chicken wings with Matt? Yeah, like
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that seems like a great date. Well, there's just a
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: lot going on this season that I don't fully under stand.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: We've said it over and over again. We don't need
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to be a broken record. Um. But it is also
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: sad because like you have Matt James, who will go
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: down as one of the uh the best bachelor's Uh.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I hope he does. I think he will, if not
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the best, but like then that's sweet to give him
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: your you know, like the title that you usually hold
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the public. I mean it has to be given up
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: at something. I love Matt. I love him so much.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I hope his well, it's like as if we're talking
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: about a president or something. But I hope that he
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't his his amazing legacy, Yes, his legacy of being
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: such a wonderful person and bachelor isn't super tied to
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: his season. You know, I don't think it will. I
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: think he's off to do incredible things post his Bachelor time.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And then I think also if you look at Matt James,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: even in the midst of his season that was um
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: oddly controversial in the sense of contentious, with the bullying
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: and the name calling, um, all the stuff that happened.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Then I mean, like with outside of the show, um,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: with with Chris uh and with Rachel, Matt still has
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: like stayed uh Matt like and he's a good dude,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And I think people will remember that. Um. I don't
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: think the season, if I'm honest, will go down as
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one of the best seasons ever. I don't think that's
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: how people are. But I think Matt will go down
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: as as a very beloved, lovable Bachelor. I hope, so
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: there's no question in my mind. I really hope people
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: don't tie his seat, like the season and the drama
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: that's happened off the actual show to his to him, Yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Um. And I again, I think
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: after this, Matt going to do incredible things. And I
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: think we're gonna see Matt even more when the show ends.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: UM for who he is and what he stands for.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I think this is just the beginning, uh for Matt.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And I think uh. I think his his time is
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: not fifteen minutes like you know most of us. I
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: think he's going to go on to do a long,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: steady career helping others, being himself. I don't know, hosting,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: whatever it is he wants to do. I think he's
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: going to do a great job at it. Okay, so
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: let's talk about the girls that really have like standout
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: moments with Matt. During the tell all, there's Katie and
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: she says something very relatable. She's like, I'm thirty now
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I constantly questioning like is it me? Why am I
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: still single? She said that while she was shocked when
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: she was setting home on the show, she says that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: watching back, she can see why she may not have
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: stood a chance um compared to the other women after
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: seeing the relationships develop on screen, and it's a true
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you really don't know what's going on with the lead
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: with other girl roles until you kind of go home
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and watch it. Yeah, And I mean we've always said that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and it's just not it's not a shock anymore. But
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: when you're in the environment like we watch it kind
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: of like as the perspective of God, like you can
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: see it all. These girls don't see it all, like
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: what's going on in another room where it's going on
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: with Matt or whatever. Like you're you're isolated in your
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: own little world. You only really know what you and
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Matt have, and you don't know a lot of what
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: anybody else has. Like I even remember during Caitlin season,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: like Sean was like so far beyond any of us,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: and like we all knew it, but yet we didn't
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: know it. Like we didn't it wasn't enough for us
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: to believe it. We expected it. And that's I mean.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: But if you watch it back, you're like, oh, she
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: was crazy about him the whole time. Um. Yeah, So
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it's just it's it's that it's just that you know,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: blindedness to it. Yeah, Abigail, she is watching clips back,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know with Harrison and the you know, the front
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: two seats, and she said she got emotional. You know.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Watching it back, she ses it wasn't fun to watch.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: She said she felt like Matt gave her so much
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: reassurance and she was on her way to falling in
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: love with Matt. Um. Then she has like, then they
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: show these cute little scenes of them together, where um,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: there was this one time Matt told her that his
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: first kiss he bit the girl's lip in seventh grade
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so bad it was gushing blood. She also says that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it was really nice to be somebody who represented the
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: hearing community and the deaf community. Um. She said that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: she wasn't born profoundly she was. Oh. She says that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: she was born profoundly death, so if she did take
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: care coocklier and planned out, she wouldn't be able to
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: hear anything. But she also said that she's not part
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: of the deaf community with a capital dude, she said,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't use sign language. But she's really happy
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: about the incredible response she's gotten. Um, and I really
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: just felt like that was one of the moments that
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: made me think she's on her way to becoming a Bachelorrette.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: She's just so lovable and she does represent diversity in
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: a different way having a disability. Yeah, and here. I mean,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: she's just like an incredible human. She's somebody you'd want
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: to sit down with and learn from for so many
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: different reasons. That's why I mean, I hope we see
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: more of her. I mean, no matter how that is,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: I just hope we see more of Abigail. She was
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: an incredibly bright light in the season. Um never got
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: involved in the drama, never like added to the bowling
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: in the mess. And she's still even like during this episode,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: you're just like, yeah, you're I don't know, it's weird
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to say like you're too good for this show, like
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: or you're too good for this season. Maybe it's like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you were just you were a fantastic contestant. And then
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: there was serena peace time with Matt, and the big
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: question going into this was does she regret leaving. The
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: bottom line is no. She said it was difficult. She
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: still cares about mass so much. The last thing she
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: wanted to do was her him. But she really felt
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: like she was doing a disservice for him if she
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was staying. So kind of more of what we saw
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: last week. And then Matt finally hits the stage and
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: he's got that beard he had like some oil in
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: that beard. Did you just see it was like shiny,
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: it was like that bed um. He says, of course
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: that he was really nervous. He said that he was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: surprised by all the drama, but he tried to be
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: empathetic toward it because there were so many factors to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: take into account. He also acknowledges the fact that, like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: especially with Victoria, he's like, I've never been in your situation,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Like I've never been on the other side of the rose,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: so I don't really know all the emotions that you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: guys are going through, which is like very interesting to hear,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you know. Um. And then he said that when all
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: this new information is being brought to him, like whether
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's you know, through press or whether it's through him
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: watching the show, he tries not to beat himself up
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: for not knowing. Actually, I'm gonna say this. I remember
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the tellaw for Caitlin's season, and it was like magical,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Like you show up, you see all of your friends again,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: there's so much energy and hype around it. You walk
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: into this room and it's like the first time that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you have like been had made a public live appearance
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: since the show. This didn't feel it was so nerve racking.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it was so nerve racking.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: But you there was you were just as excited and
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: energized seeing your friends as you were for like having
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: to sit up there and respond to like drama in
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: real time with a live audience too with us. But
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: in this case, they didn't have an audience, which definitely
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: probably makes the girls a little more calm and and
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: less antagonizing because they're not responding to the response of
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the audience like when you get a clap or when
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: you get a boom, like you either totally retreat or
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: you want to keep going. Yeah, it's uh. And this
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: just didn't have that, Like it didn't have that energy
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: behind it. There was just maybe these girls weren't as
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: tight as other seasons, and maybe the storylines weren't as compelling,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: but it just it missed it a little bit um
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: or quite a bit. But yeah, the big takeaway Matt
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: can grow a great beard. The guy a terrific, terrific
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: even beard on him. I have, Like I think Jared
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: and I have the same issue. We have, like the
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: one beard on one side and the other side doesn't
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: really grow it so when we try to grow our
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: facial hair out, it just looks awful. And I still
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: grow it out. Um, same, but you guys still look
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: better with a little scruff. Yeah yeah, man, it looks
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: good with a lot of scruff and I don't have that.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Uh well, Ashley close all this. What are you most
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: looking forward to for the next and I guess the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: final weeks of this show. I think I'm still most
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: looking forward to what I was saying last week, like,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: what is he crying about? What is he breaking down about?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: It's also I'm also very interested to see you sit
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: down with his dad because he's not close to his dad,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: but his dad shows up. Yeah, there's there's some there
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: is some really compelling storylines coming up. Uh. We'll continue
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to watch, we will continue to break it down, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: we will continue to be fans of Matt James. We'll
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: root for him the whole way. Hey, actually, let's take
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a break and we'll come back with almost famous podcast.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: As promised, we have Jordan Davis on the podcast. Jordan Davis.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: If you haven't heard from uh, well you should. Uh.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: He has a self titled uh EP. Jordan Davis is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: now streaming on all platforms. You should watch the Almost
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Maybees music video because you'll see Hannah Brown uh in it,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and we're gonna talking about that today. But Jordan Davis
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is an incredible singer songwriter. Uh and Jordan's thank you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Thank you for having me on. I've
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: been looking forward to this. Wow. The reason that we
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: have you here is because you got to witness Hannah
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Brown and her boyfriend in real life and live action.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Is that where they met? Well, I don't think they
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: met on set, but I think they had already met
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: before that. But but like in casting for your music video, No,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was in casting either. So wait,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: they just cast it a couple. No. So here's the
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: funny thing about this is Hannah's boyfriend is never supposed
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to be in it, but one of the extras, the
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: guy that was supposed to play uh, Hannah's boyfriend got sick,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: so Hannah asked him to fill in. It was kind
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: of a last minute thing that he was right. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: didn't even like it was, you know, because I remember
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: seeing a clip of it because I was watching like
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: some of her stuff when they were shooting. It just
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: over zoomed because you know, we had to shoot it
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: during COVID, which was kind of weird. Um, but yeah,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I've never seen it, being like, God, it looks a
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: lot like and oh that is Hans friend, so uh
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: pretty probably pretty uncomfortable too for him and that, like,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and they hadn't been dating long and then
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden you get thrown in a music
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: video and you have to propose to your girlfriend and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: get shut down on camera. So, guys, just a little clarification.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: In the music video, Hannah kind of goes through like
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a different stages of love, in which case one of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: them was getting proposed to you and denied. When was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: this music video shot? So we they shot some of
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: her parts the middle of December. They've been together since then. Yeah,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: and then uh, we shot the part with me and Hannah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: uh early January there And what a great idea. Why
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Why was Hannah Brown chosen for this? So I've I've
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: just been a fan of Hannah for a long time.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I think she's a great person and I love him.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I love how she's has her
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: you know, her faith on her sleeve. I think that's great. Uh.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: And I met her at the CMA Awards. I guess
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: two years ago maybe um, and she was on Dancing
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: with the Stars, so and and I went up and
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: told her. I said, Hey, my mom's a huge fan.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan. We're pulling for you on Dancing
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: with the Stars. And she didn't believe me because Lauren
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: was on the team. And she's like, no, you're not Lauren.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: You're cheaming for Lauren other country people. And I was like, well,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pulling for both of you all, but
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: like I'll be cool of either one, you know, even
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: when you win, you know. But I told her I
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: was a fan. She told me she was a fan.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: We just kind of kept in contact, you know, on
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Instagram through that uh and this is and I'm not
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: making this that that's I promise you. We had a
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: meeting on a Monday, uh probably early October, right whenever
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: we kind of started throwing out ideas for the Almost
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Maybes video, and I was like, you know, who would
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: you know how I'm going to reach out to and
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: see if she would want to do it. As Hannah
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and my team loved it. They were like, I think
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: that's a great idea, you know, I think she would
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: should be great. This song is perfect for you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Hannah's got a very public dating life obviously, and and
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: so I was like, I'm I'm'm gonna reach out to her.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: And the next day I think she had said in
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the Instagram live that she would love to be in
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: a music video. And so I just started getting tons
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: of messages from Hannah's fans being like, hey, you should
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: put Hannah in your music video. And it was the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: weirdest thing. It's like, wait, was I like, was I
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: like Facebook living whatever? We were talking about this, and uh,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: and that's what happened. I ended up shooting her message
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: on Instagram. Um, and she she agreed to it. So
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I just thought, you know, with with the
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: way this song is, the lyrics of it, it just
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: fit Hannah perfectly. Um. Have how's the response been since
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: you This is like the first time people can kind
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: of like watch Hannah interact with her boyfriend. Yeah, it's
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: been great. Uh you know that, like you said, that
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: was like a really unexpected, you know, positive online end.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But like, man, the video turned out great. She crushed it. Uh.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: And it's it's obviously, you know, gave me a lot
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: of new fans. Uh. And it's been it's been really fun.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: The really fun to continue to see the support for
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: the video roll in. It's pretty awesome. Well, I mean, Jordan,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: I love that you have new fans. You you need it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Every country star does. But you've been successful for a while.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: You mean your nominee for the a c M Best
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: New Male Artists of the Year. You also, uh released
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: your debut album Home State. And speaking of fans, I mean,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: am I wrong to say that had over one billion streams?
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That album did? Yeah? It did? Yeah, which is crazy.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: You need more fans, man, you need Yeah? No, I
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: mean that, And it's it's wild. You know, I've never
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I was. It's obviously a record that I'm very proud of, uh,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: but you know, to continue to see that support for
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: that album come in, Um, it's just it's just crazy.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: It's one of those things. You know. It's still one
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: of the only plaques I have hanging up is uh,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: the one billion streams plaque. And every time I see
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: it's just crazy to think that that that record just
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: meant so much that many people. It's just it's pretty
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: pretty humble. That is super impressive. We have to ask
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: you about the Bachelor. Are you watching Matt season. I'm not, um,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and not because of any of that, just haven't haven't
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: really been able to catch up with it. But uh
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: so one of my buddies, Tyl Granger Smith's brother, he
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: was on I'm trying to think of what was the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: bachelotte that like had that left Clay Clay season. Uh so, yeah,
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: I was catching up with I was catching up watching
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: for for Tyler on that one, but obviously didn't work
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: out for him. He's doing fine, he's not too upset.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: But but yeah, I haven't. I haven't watched much of
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: much of that season. There's a big crossover in country
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: music and the Bachelor and Bachelorette, Like there is a
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: ton of it, right, I mean there's there's podcasts now
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that are like both country and Bachelor and Bachelorette. Why
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: is that? Like, why is there so much uh crossover
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: in the demographic and likability between both. I don't know.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: I wonder if it's just like, you know, the the
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: lyric content of country music kind of fits perfectly for
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: what the Bachelor and Bachelotte dude, I mean, you know
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: it's it's all about finding love or you know, the one,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: the one that got away or something that you know, uh,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And I think that that's probably got a big reason
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to why the audiences are so similar when it comes
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to fans of The Bachelor and Bachelotte and fans of
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: country music. And I feel like every year they have
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: some you know, I try, like my buddy Adam Hamburg
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: played on a season. I know Chase has played on
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: a season before. So I don't know. I think it
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: just they just kind of go hand in hand. All right.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: My last question for you is, if you have another
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: music video coming up, and don't flatter Bet and I,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: who from Bachelor Nation would you like to cast next?
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Let's just say it can't be us, so it doesn't
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: make it okay, I don't Probably I would probably say Dale, Okay, Well,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it's really weird. That guy kind of fascinated me, Like
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I thought he was a I know he's ex football player.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Would be kind of cool to get some football stories in. Uh. Yeah,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I would like to see
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: if he's if he's kind of real. There's something about
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: that guy that it's like it's kind of fascinating to me,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but it's like kind of like I don't know if
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: like we're I don't know. I just I would really
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: just do it for a few questions, how would do
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: were you really? Were you really into Clare as much
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: as you like? Because I mean it's seemed very real,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: seemed very believable. But obviously it didn't work out right.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: Although I don't know, they're back on, I know I
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: saw that. Is that is that real? Though? Back together? Yes?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So here's the thing, Jordan, there's another way to make
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: headlines is you get them back on your music video
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: on their first public appearance and it blows up again.
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: There you go. You better release a new single now hopefully.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I know I need to start I need to start
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: working on, like what what can I do to get
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: dalon Claire and video? And I don't think it's gonna
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: be hard, man, I don't think it's with one billion
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: downloads or screens. I don't think it's gonna be hard. Hey,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: George Davis thinks for coming on again? Your your album
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: is uh, Jordan Davis, is what it's called? And also
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: you gotta go check out the YouTube Google whatever the
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: almost maybe yeah, Hannah Brown and her boyfriend are are
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: seen in it. Jordan Davis, I am a fan of you. UM,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I have a couple of buddies in country music and
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: big country music fan myself. I appreciate you because I'm
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a big red dirt country fan, UM, old school country,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Texas country. And you walk a really good like balance
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: uh within that world and within a world that you
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: know can be heard in the radio, and I just
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I think it's a really cool gift.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: I hope you take that as a compliment because it
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: really is. You have a lot. I really appreciate that.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you very much for saying that. Yeah, hey,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: come back sometime, especially if you can get them on
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: your your on your next video. You're the man, Jordan Davis.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Everybody make sure you go check them out. We'll put
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: a good word for you. Bye, thank you so much.
• 38:49
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• 39:59
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go into Bachelor headlines. There's a lot of
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: them walk through this stuff, um, but like kind of
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a big overarching headline because there's a lot of like
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: sub topics off of it. Is Emmanuel Acho has been
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: chosen as the replacement for Chris Harrison on after the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Final Rose. There was rumors that after the Final was
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Rose was even to happen, but it's gonna happen. Emmanuel
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Acho is the host. Ashley. Uh. Just a quick background
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: before we start talking about all of this. Manuel Acho
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: is a former NFL player. UM, he is going to
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: step in here, and he's used to hosting. He's the
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: host of the YouTube series Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man. UM.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: That's been a huge show. If you haven't seen that,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I'd recommend going watching it. It's a it's a great show. Uh.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: He was also just let you know he was Rachel
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Lindsay's pick to be, uh the host. I don't know
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: if she had like a saying that, I don't know
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: the behind the scenes, but that was her pick. She
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: publicly said, hey, I think you'd be the best. H Um.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: He in this his Uncomfortable Conversations with the Black Man.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: He has interviewed conversations with Matthew McConaughey and with Chelsea Handler.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: He's toli checked those out. He has talked to Oprah
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: like he's he's awesome. You just like you can scroll
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: on his Instagram for a little while and you'll just
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: be able to kind of feel his heart and soul.
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think he's like a terrific pick for this. And
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: if you guys want a little background on him, he
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was born in Wow. He's younger than us Ben. Uh, Yeah,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't that feel weird? He was drafted in the NFL
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in he was part of the Cleveland Browns, the Eagles
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: up the Giants, um, and then he rose prominence doing
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: a best selling book writing best selling book called Uncomfortable
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Conversation to the Black Man, and it's really been a
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: launching pad for his YouTube series. He uh is somebody
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: who you've actually spoken to recently, right? Can you let
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: us in on your compos Yeah, definitely. Well it was
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: super interesting, um because when my book came out, it's
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: with Thomas Nelson Publishers and Sam Acco, his brother released
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: a book like maybe a month before mine, and so
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: he and I got connected through We did Hope Still
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Wins Together, the Instagram show I did, uh, and then
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I did his podcast and we've chatted and talked and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: texted ever since then. We became good friends and so,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: like I just knew Sam for a long time. He
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: been introduced me to Emmanuel and I've talked to him
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and UM, I'm sure he's excited, he's ready. I can't
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: think of a better person for this moment. Now. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: don't know what the plan is moving forward, like into
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: next season. I haven't heard. I haven't researched that at all,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: but I know for this moment and for after the
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: final Rose on this season, Emmanuel is a great dude
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: with a huge heart, a ton of knowledge, a ton
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: of wisdom. Um. Sam, especially his brother, has taught me
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: a ton in fact, when when uh stuff starts swirling around. Uh,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Sam is uh well has been the first person I'm
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: called like when conversations are brought up and I'm like,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Sam helped me process this, help me understand what's being
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: said here? Uh, how have I hurt you? Know you
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: and others? And then like what can we do about
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: this together? Um? And uh. And Sam is always the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: one that like talks with me. I mean the other
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: day we talked for like an hour and a half um,
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and it was just like, yeah, this is incredible, great family. Uh.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And and I do know that Emmanuel is really gonna
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: be excited for this moment also, Uh, he knows this
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: is a big moment. I will say that he knows
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: this is a very important moment. Uh. And I think
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: he's ready. I mean I know he's ready for it.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It's the first after the final Rose in a long
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: long time. That's gonna be pre taped. It's gonna be
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: taped this week. I believe it's Thursday or Friday of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: this week. So um yeah, I don't know. It's not live,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: so that that that'll be interesting, especially for something that
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: like I'm sure the conversation is going to have to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like so deep, and they're probably gonna end up talking
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: about all this for more than two hours, and they'll
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: probably highlight the most important parts. What do you think
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: about it being pre taped. I don't have a problem
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: with it. I mean, live is live is okay. My
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: honest perspective is live is really hard. And I don't
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: know if Emmanuel has ever done a live show. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think. I think he's talented enough to.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: But like to do it your first time in this
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: kind of environment with these conversations going on, I think
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: would be really difficult. And I think I think probably
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: even from like a manual's perspective, it's like, let's tape it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'm just I'm putting words in his mouth. Let's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: tape it, and then let's make sure that we show
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the parts that are important and needed. Um, because live,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you know, if if you run out of time and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: there needs to be commercial break. Then you break and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: it's in the middle of conversation, and then you feel
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like you can't get to what you need to. Like,
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I have no problem with it for this I think
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: we need to see the parts that matter and um,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: so this is great. Now. Immanuel was super interesting because
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: he a little small fact he went to He and
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Sam went to church with Rachel Lindsay when they were
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: kids in Texas, so they've known each other for a while. Um.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah that that churches is a powerhouse of talent coming
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: out of it. Is also a former NFL player. Yeah,
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: his brother was playing up until last year. Uh and
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: even consider this year, so like they're you know, they're
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: still young, like um an incredible foot incredible football players. Uh.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: There's also a story like about Emmanuel. Um, a girl
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: on like Twitter d end him and said, you know,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: asked him if he would take her to prom um
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and he said, if you get ten thousand retweets, I'll
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: take you to prom and he did because she got it. Uh. Yeah,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: he's just uh you know he in two thousand and
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: sixteen actually though a few years ago now. Uh, he
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: did leave the NFL to pursue broadcasting. Um and he's
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he's crushed it. I mean, everything he's done, he's been
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: successful at um just But at the same time, one
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: of the coolest parts about the family, uh is their
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: heart for those around him, Like when you I'm telling
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: you when Sam Macho, Like when I call him up
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and he spends an hour and a half talking to me,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: praying with me, like educating me, like just sitting with
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: me as a friend. Like that's an incredible in credible
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: human I know his brother has those same characteristics and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the same qualities. Um. So again, I can't think of
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: a better person for this moment than a Manuacho. I
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: think it was a great choice. I mean, it's awesome
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: that you have a personal connection with them. And all
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I can say is, like, from the research that I've
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: done since Saturday on him, he just like comes across
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: as just like a suite, sulfulfilled, heart of gold type
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: of human being. Yeah, and and I also, uh, you know,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: I'm interested to hear about this kind of where the
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: conversation goes. If Chris's name is brought up, that's something
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be intriguing to me. Like how they speak
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: about Chris uh and kind of what that entails. There's
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: gonna be a lot to this show that's gonna be watched, uh,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: And I think Emmanuel is going to be very well
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: prepared to enter into those conversations. And I think I honestly,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I think I think he tweeted something like this, But like,
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: can we say the world's gonna be watching at least
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation is gonna be watching. There's just a lot
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: here to consume and the process together. I think it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: going to be a big episode, and it's an important episode,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: and this after the Final Rows. It's going to be
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: part of a three hour finale on March. I believe
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: it will be the last hour, maybe the last two
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: hours of that episode. And um, the one thing that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I have to say about it being pre taped is
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: that it will be really lame if what goes down
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: in it is leaked beforehand, because that is the advantage
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: of having a live after the Final Rows is that
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: it can't be spoiled. Yeah, that's true. I mean what
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: would be leaked, Like what kind of stuff are we
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: thinking of his I guess his winner And if they
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: are still it's whether they're still together I think is
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: a big question. Okay, so you're talking. Okay, that makes
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: since Yeah, I mean typically that is live, so you
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: can't be leaked, right, yeah, and I think that and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: then you like, there may be rumors as to who
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: wins going into the after the front of rows, but
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: how many times, especially ads of late, have we gotten
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: to after the final rows and then like they revealed that,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: like things aren't going so well, yeah, that's true. Huh.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I didn't even think about that. It's gonna be taped
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: pretty soon, right, It's gonna be taped like a week
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in advance at least, yeah, Thursday Friday. Okay, Well, I'm
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: not going to be looking at any spoiler websites. I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: don't know about you. Doesn't that Yeah, I'd rather I'd
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: rather watch this with complete intrigue, with an open mind
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: and heart ability to learn and to see what's going
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: on in the life of Matt James, and you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: whatever he ends up whoever he ends up with at
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: the end of he ends up with anybody. So this
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: almost famous podcast will not be spoiling the live show
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: for you, So you can listen, listen, Well, hey, we
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we just got a really fun headline in about Emmanuel.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Another fun act about him. He actually has turned down
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the Bachelorette, being on the Bachelorette twice, isn't that so?
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I guess they've already been in contact with him. So
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that was, you know, one of the reasons that he was, um,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you know, probably thought for this role. It
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: says that he says he doesn't think he could do it.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: That's a quote He actually told Mike Johnson this and
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Brian on their Talking About podcast back in January. He
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: said that he was asking on the Bachelortte twice and
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: just seventeen and then most recently, after his series and
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: book Uncomfortable Conversations with a Black Man came out, he said,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: I couldn't be the Bachelor because I feel like people
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: would judge me. He said, you were just kissing her,
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: and now you're kissing her. Why are you so grimy?
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I thought you were about uncomfortable conversations, not uncomfortable makeouts.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: I ain't got no time for that. I'm like, let
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: me just have my conversations. I don't need no dreamsuites,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: no hometown visits. That's amazing. Yeah, he's he's great. I
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: mean the world's gonna love him. Um well, Ashley more
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: headlines this week, we're gonna talk about all the things
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: going on in Bachelor Nation And obviously a lot of
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: these right now are are heavy, but they're there topics
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: that we need to talk about. One is Rachel Lindsay
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: deletes her Instagram after harassment from Bachelor Nation amid ongoing
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: conversation about, you know, her interview with Chris Harrison. Now,
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I will say this. The next headline reads from US Weekly,
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Bachelor Nation rallies around Rachel Lindsay after she deactivated her Instagram. Uh. Actually,
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: this is obviously something that is unfortunate that had to happen. Horrible, horrible.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: It was so sad um just the people who are
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: sending her these messages like I just don't know who
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: you are or like how you possibly feel, and sort
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: of compulsion to say horrible like raised racist comments towards
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: this woman who is really just doing a great job.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: They're discussing race in this franchise. It's it's really unfortunate
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: because as as voices speak out on things that need
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: to be talked about, a lot of people are gonna
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: have different things to say. Right But let's this is
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: just a good lesson for life. Um, demolition is easy
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: like demo, and tearing things down is easy. It's quick,
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: it's loud, people want to get involved the next you know,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: sledgehammers against walls, and but the reconstruction is hard. It's tedious,
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: it's slow, it's not sexy, it's not easy to do.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: It's hard work. And so if we just want to
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: keep going around as fans of the show and tearing
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: down the Rachel lindsays of this world, then are we
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be there to help it rebuild, to reconstruct her
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: and to encourage her? And it doesn't feel like we are.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: It feels like people uh have enjoyed tearing all of
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: this down and everybody is getting torn down? But are
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: we gonna be there to rebuild her up? And I
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: hope we are. I hope once she takes a break
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: from her Instagram or social media she can take a breather, refocus, refuel,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and that she feels encouragement as she enters back into
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: this world because we need her. Mm hmm. I like
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: what Nick said on on his Instagram a couple of
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: days ago. He said, if you want to support Chris
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: while he's down, you should be able to without showing
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: hate to anyone else. Because I realize that this is
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: obvious to most people reading this, But if you are
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: one of the people who sent hurtful or racist comments
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: to Rachel, please take a serious look inside what's your heart?
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Your priorities are seriously out of whack. But I do
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: think that it's important to say that if if you
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: want to support Chris, do it. But that doesn't mean
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: that you have to bring Rachel down. It's just not
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: mutually exclusive. It's not. That's the weird part here. It's like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: can you not do both? Right? Like, I've been able
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: to talk on the phone to Rachel Lindsay and Chris Harrison. Uh.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: Both are people that are friends of mine. Rachel I
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: don't know as well, but I've been and like, why
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: can't you do both? I think I don't want to
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: speak for them. I would imagine that neither of them
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: want to be bullied. I would imagine that talking to
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: them both and hearing them and understanding and sitting beside
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: them is is is something they probably would both support. Um,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it's not mutually exclusive, and I don't know why. It's like, Hey,
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna choose my side and just destroy the other
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: side as hard as I can. I'm wanna add. I'm like,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: it's just weird that like, that's where people are sitting today.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: It's weird that that's where the mind goes. It's weird
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: that people can sit behind their computers and do that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and feel okay about it. At the team you're on
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: and divisiveness, it's it's wild. Well, moving on from Rachel
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Lindsay and talking about Rachel Kirconnell, she addressed racism controversy
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: in her new video and it's she says, I'm done
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: hiding this. According to the Hollywood Reporter, now I'm gonna
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: say this and tight into this head and as well,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: her mom actually speaks up in US Weekly and says
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: that her daughter feels hopeless amid racial controversy. So so
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Rachel coconnell comes out with a statement and now we
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: know that behind the scenes, and um that her that
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: Rachel's hurting, that she feels hopeless. Uh, Ashley, what's going
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: on here? Um? What are we seeing? What did her
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: statement say? Well, her her statement said a lot. She
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: posted a long I think it was a seven minute
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: Instagram video. She she posted it on Thursday. She said
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: in it that she was wrong and her ignorance was racist.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: She said that over the past few weeks since she
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: put her initial written statement out, she's gotten a lot
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: of messages. She said she's gotten a lot of people
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: asking her, well, what have you done to change since then,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And she said that she's had a lot of people
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: message her saying that they aren't understanding why people are
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: so upset. She said that a lot of people have
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: been asking her for resources, which she thinks it's but
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: she also said that there are people messaging her saying
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: you've done nothing wrong, don't listen to people. She says
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: that she is tired of getting all of that. So
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: the big step we have to take here is white
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: people are stepping up and taking accountability, because things will
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: never change if we don't all work together and working
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: towards this racial progress in the unity that we want.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: She also says that she has been hesitant to post
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: links and books and any resources because she doesn't want
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: people to think that it's just performative and not something
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that she truly stands by. She says, I hear you.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: There are things out there that are that completely validate
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: your opinions and your anger towards me. I've come to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: realize that sitting aside and hiding in the corner to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: avoid being called performative doesn't help anyone or anything. So
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: the entire movement and where we are in this country
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: is just so much bigger than this, and I want,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: in need to use my privilege and my platform that
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I so do not deserve, just to shine a light
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: on these issues and try to do what I can
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: to take a step in the right direction. I think
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the biggest that the statement that she made in this
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: that people really appreciated is that the people who are
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: defending her saying that there's nothing to be angry about
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: or to be offended by. She said, please stop saying that.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: That's not our place to tell people what they can
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: and can't be offended about. That's wrong and that's part
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: of the problem. So please stop saying that I did
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: not do anything wrong. That's not true. If you really
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: want to support me, then encourage me to do better,
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: and encourage those around you to do better and accept
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the change and allow others to learn and grow, because
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: we need to work together on this if anything is
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: going to change. So yeah, she basically, you know, it's
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: a big it's a big call out to her defenders.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: Please stop telling me that what I've done is okay. Yeah,
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And and within that she's not saying it doesn't sound
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: like like, hey, bully me, like destroy. You know, she's saying,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: just stop defending me like this. This wasn't okay. I
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: need to be held accountable. But nobody within any of
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: this conversation, Rachel ones he never said this about Chris Harrison.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: This is a good important note here. Nobody has ever said,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, now go in like bully the other side, like, now,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: go and destroy this. So it's like, no, hey, we
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: can be held accountable. Uh. We don't have to support
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the things that have been done or the things that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: have been said, but we can give this space to
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: now learning, growing and moving forward. But like nobody's been
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: calling at least from what I understand, to like bully
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: and destroy. Uh. I mean, I guess for lack of
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: better On the other side, we'd hope that people wouldn't
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: call for bullying as being part of the solution. Yeah,
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: and then part of the solution. So well. ABC adds
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: a disclaimer this another headline to celebrity Will of Fortune. Uh,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison was on the show. It was filmed a
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: few months ago. Uh, and so we see Chris Harrison announced,
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Pat say Jack uh introduces him and there's a disclaimer
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: that runs across. Yeah, so when he's introducing him, he
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: said this episode was previously recorded in December. It says
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that the disclaimer comes two weeks after Harrison was announced
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: to be stepping aside for an unspecified amount of time
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: from The Bachelor. Um. But but that's basically just like
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: this what happened? You know? I just said, like just
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: letting you know that, Like, yes, we we've we've had
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: him step aside from after the final rose. But this
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: was taped before any of this controversy. Well, obviously a
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: big headline that we're gonna talk about that as came
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: up recently. Uh, Taylor Nolan had some tweets that were
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: brought to the public's eye. Uh, they were hurtful, and
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: we're gonna bring on Dr Goldcher to walk through this
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: with us. So let's get her on the line and
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: we're gonna break down what's going on with Taylor Nolan
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and her apology. The tweets that came out from Taylor
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Nolan's past. We're so disturbing that we wanted to have
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: on our friend Dr Hilary Golscher, who has joined this
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: podcast a number of times before to talk about heavy
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: subjects such as this. She's a licensed clinical psychologist with
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: a private practice in Beverly Hills and she specializes in relationships, depression, anxiety, trauma, grief,
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: and eating disorders. Honestly, it feels just too painful to
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: read these tweets. If you, guys, do you want to
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: see exactly what they say or what her apologies say.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: She had a lot of posts yesterday. You can go
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: and find it online. You won't have a problem finding it.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: So I guess our first question for you is just like,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: how do we digest this? How do we navigate this?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: Especially since Taylor is somebody who over the past couple
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: of weeks when race has been such a prominent topic
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: in Bachelor New and she's been one out there on
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: the front lines. Yeah, there are a lot of moving
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: parts here, so I think we have to take it slowly.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, both in this conversation and in general, as
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: we try to digest what happens here and try to
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: create a path to move forward that in the long
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: run is productive and healing. I would I would say
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that the issue here that's coming up from me from
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: a psychological perspective and from the perspective of the much
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: larger issue that this raises around racial equality and embedded
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: and outright racism is the need for accountability and the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: emergence of defensiveness and deflection that is occurring not only
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: in this scenario with Um Taylor, but also occurs daily
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: in the hearts and minds of people who are either
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: um only slightly aware, or who are who are in
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: denial about their own embedded or outright racism. So the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: most important thing here, I think over time, um, after
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: the shock UM. I don't want to suggest it's going
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: to wear off, but after the phase of feeling shocked
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: and outraged begins to settle to some extent, having a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: discussion about how racism stay stuck um in uh, in
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the minds and hearts of people and in our society
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: because of how a defensive and deflective people can get.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: So I think that that's a really good place for
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: us to start and ultimately land is to deeply explore
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: how and why that happens and how to bring ourselves
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: out of that denial and defensiveness. Can we Uh? Yeah,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: just for some understanding, because I said it a little
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: bit ago. Um. But the word that my buddy used
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: to describe this a friend of mine who have asked
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: to kind of hold me accountable during this time too,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: he says, right now feels he used the word disorienting, um,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: which I think is a great word for this, Like
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: it feels disorienting because it's hard to process or understand react. Uh.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: And then here's the part that I want to ask
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: you on to help heal, to be a part of
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: the helping process of healing. So what is healing like? What? What?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: How do would we define that? What does that look like?
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: How do we know we're on the path to that?
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Because I would I would think that when you'd make
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: a statement or an apology, especially as from a sincere place,
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: you would want to put it through the lens of
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: I want to help to heal. Yes, I think in
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: in this scenario, and whether it is UM with um
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: Taylor Nolan's help or not, it brings to mind the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: issue of accountability and UM. As I was saying, the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: need not to deflect and so healing has to come
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: with conscious sinus around how statements like this don't have
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: an exploration date. UM, we don't say slavery happened X
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: number of years ago, so we don't have to think
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: about it anymore. We've moved past that. UM that statements
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: like that and UM embedded or outright racism hurt UM
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: no matter when UM those issues come to light, and
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: UM denying or deflecting that reality disallows healing and learning
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: to occur. So even UM if the Bachelor Nation audience
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: or those in Taylor's circle or life don't feel like UM,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: there's an acknowledgement of that. And I'm not intimately familiar
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: with all of the iterations of her statements, but we
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: UM as as a whole, you folks at Bachelor Nation
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: and sort of society as a whole, needs to take
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: this as a teaching moment that UM, while UM putting
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: one self on the front line of UM advocating for
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: the bipop community is amazing, wonderful, critical work. If you
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: participated UM in hateful speak prior UM making that journey known,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: transparent and using yourself in spite of the shame and defensiveness,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: you might feel um, to help teach others and again
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: to hold yourself accountable is a critical piece. So I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: think we you know, kind of Ben you were saying,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: like the sort of we. That's how we heal. We
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: we find within ourselves, we find around us opportunities to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: hold ourselves accountable over and over again, and to use
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: those that are willing to acknowledge. This is where I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: made a mistake. This is where I had a blind spot.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: This is where I became defensive. This is where I
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: refused to acknowledge. This is where UM, I lost sight
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: of of my goal, UM, and the goal of of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: of these marginalized community. If we use those moments to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: help learn and and continue to build our foundation, then
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: something comes from this rather than just um, you know,
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the shock and disorientation that you guys were alluding to.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: Some people are reading these tweets, I'd say adventure to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: say the majority people reading these tweets are thinking about
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: the hypocrisy that is going on right now because she
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: has been calling for Chris Harrison to be fired very
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: strongly over the past few weeks. And then we realize
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: that she has a past of this behavior, and you know,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: she says that she's learned and grown and she's done
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: all the work. So she says that she's not supposed
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: to or that her situation is not similar to the
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison situation. That just feels inauthentic. It's understandable why
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of folks are are are feeling that way.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: And what's missing is the narrative. What's missing is the
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: through line. From the beginning, there was an outright acknowledgement
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: of her past um stance as a person who casually
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: and publicly curled racially insensitive UM statements, UM, unceremoniously, and UM,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: the narrative is missing that acknowledge from the beginning, this
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: is where I came from and this is where I'm headed,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: and that journey, should it have been made public from
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: the beginning, would be a very UM I imagine, difficult, painful,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: shame filled journey to hold up for others to see. UM.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: But it would have been a pretty amazing learning opportunity
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: for those who followed her. And there appears to be
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: some filling in the blanks now that these tweets have emerged,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: a suggestion that that was the intention all along. And UM,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: what's missing as the narrative. So it's it's hard to
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: lean into um um her her version. I don't know
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: her mind or heart or all the facts UM of
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: her situation, but it's understandable that people feel like, UM,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: there's a very big missing piece. And to speak so
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: publicly now about those that have also found themselves challenged
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: in the face of statements UM that are not aligned
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: with supporting our bipop community, UM would feel um uh
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: disoriented and offended. So it makes sense and UM in
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: terms of healing and dealing with that piece of it,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: perhaps an expanded version of her narrative will unveil itself
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: over time as she comes to terms with UM. You
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: know this process because I would, I would guess and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: and this isn't even specific to Taylor per Se. I
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: don't know her story enough, as I've said a couple
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: of times, but I think as as folks go through
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: the process of healing from um uh from adopting racist views,
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: there remain a lot of blind spots. And a blind
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: spot was exposed here right UM the idea that somehow,
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: if there was an expiration date on these UH statements
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: and tweets, that it's okay or they don't need to
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: be acknowledged or um, that's somehow she's on the other
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: side of of something right and and and those reveal
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: pretty significant blind spots in her process and in all,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: in the process of all folks who are trying to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: unlearn these hateful ideas are blind spots. So this could
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: be an incredible learning experience if she's able to acknowledge
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that truth. She hasn't yet is my understanding and the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: statements that she's made, And that's why so many folks
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: are sitting so uneasily around how this is unfolding. Like
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to go through these tweets
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: and you know, give them any lights. But in them
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: she wasn't just putting down people of color, but also
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: gay people, rape victims, Jews, even redheads. She really offended
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: so many groups. Yeah, yeah, thank you for reminding me
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: that there were there were groups outside of the bibox
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: community that were impacted. Yes, that's right. Can I chat
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: with you a second, try to explain where I'm at
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: in this UM author and speaker Carlos Whittaker speaks about
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: that he is in the UH, that his job is
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: focused on hope, that the only reason he does. Carlos
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Whittaker is a speaker who shares incredible insight on on racism,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: of u s history, of his relationship, and his desire
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: to love others. Well, he's an encouragers. He's really fantastic
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: and he just came out and he's like, I I
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: am in uh the interest of uh spreading hope. And
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: so he talks about recently what happens when an apology
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: is made because um, he and I when I'm trying
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: to say this clear uh he he goes into it saying, hey, uh,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: who are we like can we accept these apologies these
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: statements that are being thrown out there after somebody messes up?
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: Because if somebody makes a statement I, because of the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: way he wants to uh see people, he has to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: accept it like that that he doesn't have an option
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: not to accept it. It's very interesting his his perspective
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: on that. And so okay, so let me get to
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: the point here. We sit there with a uh with
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: a statement like Taylor Nolan, she says what she says,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: there's not really an apology. It feels uh it's still
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: like you said, it still feels like it's highlighting blind spots.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: Um but ultimately, I don't have an interest in seeing
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: anybody get destroyed. It doesn't make my life any more interesting,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: it doesn't make my life any better. And so I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: sit in a place like I want to and not
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: even that I'm in a place to except that my
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: mom is a rape victim. So I guess I do
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a say, and you know, saying, hey,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: this offended me, Like this isn't okay, Like this is
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: a big deal to me. But even if I didn't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: have a place where that was personally offensive to me,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: I still want to see somebody be able to apologize
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: and move forward. So within that, how do we do that,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: and how do we do that? Well, when can we
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: do that? What's healthy for us? What does help us heal?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Because right now, all these statements are being asked to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: be made, they're being made, some are being accepted, some aren't.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: There's not a clear reason why some are and some aren't.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Sometimes there is, like in this case, how do we
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: participate in that? I'm so glad you asked that question,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: because I think this whole culture around cancel culture is
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: energy that could be so much better utilized. So while
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: we spin our wheels about whether or not someone should
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: be canceled, whether or not she should lose followers, or
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: lose endorsements, or not have clients, etcetera. We are missing
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: the most important thing that we should be talking about,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: which is that racism is deeply embedded in our culture
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: and casually utilized amongst many segments of our population. And
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: so the where the life and world of Taylor Nolan
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: resides moving forward will resolve itself, will sort itself out.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: People will or won't continue to follow her, or will
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: or won't forgive her, and I think either is okay. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I just um encourage listeners not to spend a great
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  Speaker 1: percentage of their time on that particular question because it
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: is so much less relevant than the core issue. Having
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  Speaker 1: said that, I acknowledge the world and which we live
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  Speaker 1: and um specifically the world of Bachelor Nation, where that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: will be batted about quite a bit. So I would
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  Speaker 1: say this, Um, we foreclose an opportunity for deep, painful
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  Speaker 1: discussions if we uh, if we don't listen to each other,
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  Speaker 1: and we foreclosed an opportunity for people to explore blind spots,
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  Speaker 1: we foreclose an opportunity for people to move forward to
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  Speaker 1: a better place in their life? What more do we
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  Speaker 1: want UM in terms of our goal to UM to
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  Speaker 1: mitigate and eventually eliminate racism and marginalization of of underrepresented communities,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: but for people who UM our oppressors to understand the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: pain and hurt they've been causing and to change their
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: stance and to move to another place in life. So
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: if Taylor or anyone in her situation UM demonstrate over
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: time a willingness and an ability to do that in
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: a vulnerable, open, real way, I think it would be
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  Speaker 1: a disservice to dismiss that. So perhaps that helps UM
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  Speaker 1: guide your listeners and and then in terms of what
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: you were getting at maybe on a more UM like
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: existential UM psychological level. To live UM with hate and
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: anger in our hearts UM disallows us from participating in
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: in community and for participation and participating in ultimate healing.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: We want our time and energy energy to be focused
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: on folks that are forward moving and doing the really
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: really hard work and UM. If that includes Taylor as
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: this unfolds, that's wonderful. And if it doesn't, then there's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: there's other places for work to be done. It's just
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: it's UH you as you say something. It's It reminds
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: me that the new host for Afrofuna Rose Emmanuel Acho
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: has a show in titled Uncomfortable Conversations with the Black Man,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: meaning that was the path that he believed would bring healing,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: understanding and accountability in the healthiest of ways, is having
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: those uncomfortable, hard, painful conversations, but that he thought it
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: could be worth it. And that's you know, like I
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: said about you know, my mom's story, Like that's how
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: we got to a place where I could say that openly.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: It still hurts. It doesn't feel good right, and there's
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: still moments where like this where like that that's a
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: big thing to throw around and like that hurts and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: triggers and me something enormous. But yet now I'm willing
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: in and if we could, we'd sit down and we
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: talk and say this is why that hurts me. Can
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: we can we get to a place of understanding the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: pain And maybe she already knows that. I don't know,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: but um I would assume at least maybe we could
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: have the uncomfortable conversation to get better. And you know,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: and instead of right now, it kind of feels like
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: the conversation doesn't exist. That's kind of scary, yes, And
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: so maybe moments like this fill us with a new
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: kind of courage to confront those things within ourselves, you know,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: even even our own And I don't mean to equate, um,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say even our own blind spots. I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: don't mean to equate it in the way I was
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: using it before. But you know, saying is is that
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: it unveils our own discomforts, our own blind spots, um,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: the parts of us that are afraid to sit in
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: the middle of messy. And this is really really messy.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: And I think that our our reactions to it and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: the community's reactions to it are understandable, and we don't
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: have to um dismiss those feelings or pretend that they're
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: not there. I think that's kind of a process that uh,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: that will pull for anger and um and uh some
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: grief and sadness, and all of those things are appropriate.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: I think we just want to ask ourselves at the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: at somewhere in that process is who do we want
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: to be in the face of messy? Who do we
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: want to be in the face when things are are
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: tricky an e and ugly? Who do we want to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: be in the world. And so if we want to
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: be someone who just sits and lingers and sort of
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: the anger and the hate and the stuckness, UM, that
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: that's one path to take. And if we want to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: be someone's like how can I continue continue to excavate
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: um these complications, these hypocrisies, these nuances of this journey
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: towards UM, towards inclusion, right, Because I don't think it's
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: untrue that Taylor Nolan has has done work on behalf
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: of some of these communities and has had UM love
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: and care in her heart. I'm sure that's not true,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: not untrue. But also alongside of that are clearly some
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: um other difficult, painful, destructive feelings that either existed in
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: the past are still alongside her in the form of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: like denial UM or UM in the form of dismissiveness
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: or defensiveness. And so UM all these things can coexist, right,
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: We can be good and that we can be like
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: um um sort of um awakened and and and still
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: in denial. We can all be all of those things,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: and so UM if we can live in that in
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: between space together, I think that's one of the ways
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: that we all bring ourselves like kind of as a community,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: as a world towards healing. Doctor girls are some of
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: these tweets. They they can be destructive. If there are
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: somebody reading it, they may like really take them to heart.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: What do you have as far as advice on that.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: It's understandable that UM, lots of folks from lots of
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: different walks of life could read those tweets and feel triggered.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: And so first I want to offer compassion and empathy
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and understanding. If people feel that way, UM, why wouldn't you?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Those are UM hateful and quite triggering sentiments. So UM
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: relying on your support systems, whether that's family and friends, UM,
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: UH therapists if they're in your life, and if something
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: feels UM uncontained and triggers UM, something that feels intense
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: and unrelenting UM, to reach out for professional support. I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: know there was a tweet around UM, and I call
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: this out not because it's more important than the others,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: but because it happens to hit in my area of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: expertise around mental health UM, something around the treatment of
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: personality disorders and UM the word suicide UM, which are
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: incredibly triggering, powerful, painful sentiments to put out there, so
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: UM for those UM in UM vaster nation, for those
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: UM in our country, UM in the world that are
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: dealing with suffering from struggling with UM mental health disorders.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: UM uh knowing UM that UM there is help and
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: support and hope surrounding you, and that sentiments like that
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: UM come from a lack of knowledge, ignorance, fear, anxiety,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: UM and and probably some internalized hopelessness. And UM I
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: recognize that the word suicide is a pretty powerful word
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: to appear on a tweet and to appear in any
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: conversation UM that feels somehow casual. So I just want
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: to encourage listeners UM if they were triggered upon reading
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: that and any of the other tweets, but with this
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: one in particular, and it brings about any feelings UM suicidal, suicidal, ideation, etcetera,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to reach out to your support network. You are not alone.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: And UM always such beautiful, extensive expanse of help in
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: the mental health world that's available for the many many
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: that struggle. Thank you so much for being here once
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: again to help us navigate through this. Bye bye bye UM.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Just to wrap up this conversation, it was announced that
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Taylor will be doing a long form conversation on this,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: but at the time of our recording, this is what
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: we had. I believe that you might be releasing a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: podcast tomorrow, which will be Tuesday, March two. So this
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: is a conversation that we will continue to discuss over
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: the next few weeks. All right, Well, actually we have
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: a few more headlines here to the big week A
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: headlines a long episode of Bachelor headlines. Um, but we
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: have some relationship headlines that we need to talk about.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: The first one is one that looks promising. I guess
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: all of them are promising. They're all pretty good, but
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: this one talks ab out Claire and Dale's p D
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: A H and also what their future plans are. So
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: we talked about last week how the two of them
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: were spotted in Florida holding hands by the pool. There
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: were even a couple of people who were congratulating a
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: couple on their reconciliation. Now A sources telling E News
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: that Claire and Dale have been taken, have been having
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: long talks and are making plans for their future together.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: They both want to make it work. Claire visiting him
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: in Florida really sealed the deal for her, she's apparently
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: completely spitting again, and we'll do whatever it takes to
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: to make it work between the two of them. This
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: is very interesting. Uh, these are the only problem that
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: they foresee is where they will spend the majority of
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: their time because they live on opposite coasts. She and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Sacramento and him, well, I don't bouncing between Florida and
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: New York. Um. But they are continuing to make plans
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: to see each other and continue to date. They had
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: a really great week together in Florida, the sources saying,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: and they are already acting like they're back together. That's
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: really awesome. I'm really excited for them. I'm sure it
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: won't become public, you know, on their instagrams or whatnot
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: for a while, and they're probably going to keep this
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: private as long as they can. It's uh, it's a
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: big headline. A lot going on. Well I didn't even
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: notice the thing, but the Bachelor ats Caitlin Bristow denies
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: that she's broken up with boyfriend Jason Tardick. This is
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a headline according to people, It was really silly. People
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: totally over analyzed an Instagram post she she posted a
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: picture in the background has like hearts, like little like
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: conversation hearts that you would get on Valentine's Day. One
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: says let's go girls, another one says bless something, uh,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and then the other one says babe, you know whatever.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: And then there's one that says single a f And
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: people thought that she was trying to hint that they
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: had broken up, and she says, uh no, if you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: if you pull away, and you would see how many
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: hearts there were in that background. One of them also
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: says engaged a f uh. So she said, so then
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: they really they tried to like they try to clarify
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: things for the audience on Instagram. Then it kind of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: confused to move and more. She said, Jason, are we engaged?
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: And then he said no. But then he said are
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: we broken up? And she said no. Bottom line is
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: Jason and Caitlin are still very happy together. There you go. Well,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: another couple that has to come out and say they're
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: happy together is Tasia Adams and Zach Clark. She says,
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: and the quote is it's not a normal relationship. This
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: according to US Weekly because people were wondering if they
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: had called it done. She says, we're dating right now
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: while being engaged. It's on a normal relationship. We do
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: bicker and fight, but at the time it's good. She says.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: It's on her first rodeo. You know, she's she's been divorced,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: so she wants to keep her place in in southern
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: California while also going back and forth dating Zack. I
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: get that she had to move in back with her
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: parents once her first marriage ended, and she doesn't really
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: want to do that again. God forbid. If something happens
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: to their relationship, it would it would be shocking, to
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: say the least. Well. Final headline is this, and this
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: is one that we just wanted to update everybody on
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: Bachelor's Ryan Seater returns to the gym amid mystery illness battle.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: His quote is doing my best to get back to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: my best. This according to US Weekly, Well, it's still
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: a mystery illness. But he thinks Tristaph are always being
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: his rock, his best friend, his hero, his love um,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: even though you know he's really struggling through this mystery illness.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: But he is back in the gym, taking it day
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: by day, trying do his best. It's really horrible, so sad,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? It's been months since
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: we first updated everybody on that, I mean, you know,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's still going on. Our thoughts are
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: still with Ryan and Trista and their family. Um, but
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: he's doing his best. Well. Actually, that's all the headlines
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: we have for you today. It was a long episode
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: with a lot of headlines, but there's a lot going on.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: And we want to thank Jordan Davis for coming on.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: We want to thank Dr Gouldcher for continuing to come
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: on and walk through these things with us. And I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: want to thank Ashley for always coming on and hanging
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: out and being here. Come on, hey, thank you for
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: being the articulate one than Thank you for being wonderful
• 1:26:39
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• 1:26:44
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• 1:26:48
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