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Mac & Bone Hour 3: Panthers/Packers Victory Formula · Mac & Bone Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, oh, it's Mac and Bo on your radio, baby.
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  Speaker 2: This is my friend Matt. Posh, come on, Posh.
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  Speaker 1: This is my friend T-Bone.
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  Speaker 2: Let's have some fun.
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  Speaker 3: I can't go to work without listening to Mac and Bone.
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  Speaker 2: Do it live.
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  Speaker 4: The way that I've seen it is teams typically don't
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  Speaker 4: just go completely away from what they've been doing schematically.
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  Speaker 4: And the things that you do just get better when
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  Speaker 4: you get your great players back. Josh Jacobs is a
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  Speaker 4: fantastic runner. Showed his ability out of the backfield, on
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  Speaker 4: the perimeter. Just missed a little double move touchdown off
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  Speaker 4: of his fingertips down the field. But these are things
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  Speaker 4: that he can bring to this offense that's already an
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  Speaker 4: explosive offense with a lot of speed outside. So you
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  Speaker 4: factor all those things in. knowing that, all right, it's
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  Speaker 4: probably going to still be the similar styles of runs
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  Speaker 4: and things they're going to be doing. Now you've got
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  Speaker 4: to factor in the tackling plan, and we've got to
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  Speaker 4: get up there and team tackle them and make sure
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  Speaker 4: we're maintaining leverage and everybody's got to run to the
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  Speaker 4: ball because he will at times make that first-person miss,
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  Speaker 4: and that's making sure that we show up together is critical.
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  Speaker 5: There you go, Coach Canales talking about that Green Bay offense.
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  Speaker 5: This is a team whose running game is dead last
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  Speaker 5: in damn near every category you can imagine, but whose
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  Speaker 5: passing game has had some big-time moments before. with Jordan Love, Golden,
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  Speaker 5: who may not play. That could be part of the
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  Speaker 5: victory formula as Golden sits out this one. But Watson's
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  Speaker 5: been amazing. Tucker Kraft is coming back healthy. He's got
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  Speaker 5: 29 catches. So it's an interesting offense to go up
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  Speaker 5: against in Lambeau tomorrow night. And whether you're ready for
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  Speaker 5: it or not, it's a short week. We've got to
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  Speaker 5: pull ourselves together here, Bone. We've got to flush it,
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  Speaker 5: as Dave Canales and.
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  Speaker 2: The boys would say.
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  Speaker 5: And we've got to come up with our victory formula.
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  Speaker 3: It's now been added to the soundboard, by the way.
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  Speaker 6: We got a mop and we got a toilet for
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  Speaker 6: all the crap that goes on this show.
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  Speaker 2: I love it. It's move on time. We have to
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  Speaker 2: move on. Forget it. It sucked. It's over. It's now
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  Speaker 2: all about... Grilling the cheese. Anything there's so honest. I noticed, Boney.
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  Speaker 2: Grilling the cheese.
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  Speaker 7: I love it, man. How do we grill the cheese
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  Speaker 7: tomorrow night? I'm going to work that in until somebody
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  Speaker 7: on this show laughs.
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  Speaker 2: I like it.
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  Speaker 7: Three days of this. I definitely like it. If I
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  Speaker 7: would have said cut the cheese, you would laugh. We
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  Speaker 7: got to deal with this.
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  Speaker 2: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing that myself.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 5: Multiple people, including AC now and another texter. are bringing
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  Speaker 5: up the fact that Josh Jacobs is back. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 5: he had 11 carries for 36 yards the other day.
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  Speaker 5: To me, the problem, and I'm not saying that I
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  Speaker 5: would rather face someone other than Josh Jacobs, but the
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  Speaker 5: problem with them, the biggest problem is their run blocking
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  Speaker 5: is horrendous. They are 31st in the league bone and
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  Speaker 5: run blocking.
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  Speaker 2: Their center and right.
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  Speaker 5: Guard might not play this week to make their offensive
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  Speaker 5: line even worse. So they are averaging 59 yards a
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  Speaker 5: game on the ground. They are averaging 2.9 yards a carry,
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  Speaker 5: and they have not had more than 86 yards in
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  Speaker 5: a single game rushing.
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  Speaker 2: Make them one-dimensional.
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  Speaker 5: I understand right now that the masses do not think
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  Speaker 5: much of our run defense, but I need to remind you.
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  Speaker 2: Of what happened in the four weeks before last week.
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  Speaker 5: This team is capable, Bone, of, to me, holding up
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  Speaker 5: up front against a run game and an offensive line
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  Speaker 5: like this. They absolutely have to make them one-dimensional. And
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  Speaker 5: don't get me wrong, Jordan Love could still beat you,
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  Speaker 5: You know, with our corners out on his own. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but I think you have to make they have to
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  Speaker 5: be the stinky run team.
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  Speaker 2: They've been all season.
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  Speaker 7: Here's some interesting stats to go off what you're saying, Mac.
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  Speaker 7: You would think that they would have this offense that
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  Speaker 7: scoring Buku points per game. They are first in the
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  Speaker 7: league in pass play percentage. They are fifth in the league.
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  Speaker 7: in pass yards per game at 268. So you're thinking, wow,
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  Speaker 7: they have to be way up there in a lot
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  Speaker 7: of offensive categories. But they run the ball so poorly,
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  Speaker 7: they're only 24th in the league in points per game.
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  Speaker 7: You would think on the surface, the way Jordan Love
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  Speaker 7: throws it down the field, the wide outs, Tucker Craft,
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  Speaker 7: oh yeah, they're putting up a ton of points. They
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  Speaker 7: are 24th in points per game. They are 32nd, Mac, in,
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  Speaker 7: excuse me, they are 30th in red zone percentage, red
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  Speaker 7: zone scoring percentage for touchdowns and on third downs they
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  Speaker 7: are 28th in the league so in a lot of
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  Speaker 7: big time stats they're actually not there because they're so
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  Speaker 7: unbalanced not.
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  Speaker 5: Finishing drives off into red zone not at all so
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  Speaker 5: it's kind of surprising to me based off what we
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  Speaker 5: think of the green bay pack but if you can't
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  Speaker 5: run the ball your red zone offense is going to
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  Speaker 5: struggle right that's one of the things you got you
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  Speaker 5: got to be able to do in the red.
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  Speaker 7: Zone They're actually better defensively in a lot of areas
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  Speaker 7: than they are on some offensive categories.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, defensively, they're fourth in EPA per play defensively.
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  Speaker 5: I'll say this, too, about Jordan Love. The man can
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  Speaker 5: throw a deep ball. And those two receivers, Watson's averaging
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  Speaker 5: 17.5 yards a catch, which is absurd. Golden's averaging 15
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  Speaker 5: yards a catch. You've got to keep everything in front
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  Speaker 5: of you. I know that people don't like this. They
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  Speaker 5: don't like, oh, the umbrella coverage. That's all finesse. But
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  Speaker 5: to me, you've got to make them incrementally drive it
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  Speaker 5: down the field. You also can get turnovers on Jordan Love.
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  Speaker 5: Jordan Love's got 12 turnover-worthy plays this season. Bryce Young
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  Speaker 5: has three. Jordan Love has 12, according to PFF. This
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  Speaker 5: is a dude that will throw you the football. Hell,
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  Speaker 5: we saw it last year in the game against the Packers.
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  Speaker 2: You're better off.
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  Speaker 7: Not that it's ideal, but you're better off with Tucker
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  Speaker 7: Kraft underneath getting the ball more so than those plays
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  Speaker 7: down the field where they get 40, 50 yards of
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  Speaker 7: pass play.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: So you're better off with Kraft getting his yardage than
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  Speaker 7: the other two guys.
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  Speaker 2: And the golden is obviously questionable, too, in this game.
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  Speaker 5: Just yeah, you just got to keep things in front
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  Speaker 5: of you. And then they're 30 percent red, 30th and
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  Speaker 5: red zone comes in. right then you can get off
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  Speaker 5: the field make them kick a field goal instead of
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  Speaker 5: a damn touchdown you know i talk about those four-point
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  Speaker 5: plays all the time i.
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  Speaker 7: Have an observation based off your turnover thing there you
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  Speaker 7: mentioned what about winning the turnover battle.
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  Speaker 5: We have been horrible in the turnover battle of late
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  Speaker 5: i gotta look up the numbers on how bad it's
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  Speaker 5: been man just brutal That's a good one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's been said a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: in these formulas.
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  Speaker 5: Somebody said run the ball, stop the run, and win
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  Speaker 5: the turnover battle. You're done here, Mac. You're done here.
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  Speaker 5: I got to look this up, Boney, on the Panthers.
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  Speaker 7: D-Rig says don't let Caleb Evans off the plane at all.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's injured anyway here. He may not play.
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  Speaker 5: He's got a triceps injury, so it sounds like there's
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  Speaker 5: a chance he won't play. But then the question is,
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  Speaker 5: are we plugging in Darrell Rivas in his prime?
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's the question. Who do we plug in, and
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  Speaker 2: how does he play?
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people believe, well, he can't
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  Speaker 5: be any worse than a Caleb Evans, and that might
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  Speaker 5: be right.
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  Speaker 7: Can we just have a guy play average, just be average, something?
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  Speaker 7: I'd like to see Corey Thornton get a chance. I just, again,
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what's going on with him behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 7: I know he didn't have a great camp when we
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  Speaker 7: were able to watch Bone. But, man, this dude has
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  Speaker 7: been buried on that practice squad. We had Marco Wilson
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  Speaker 7: on there, too, right? The guy that threw the shoe
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  Speaker 7: for Florida? Canales has mentioned his name this week.
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  Speaker 2: Can he throw a shoe at Christian Watson? Something, man.
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  Speaker 2: Just stop the play. So let's see here.
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  Speaker 5: The turnover, the way we've been with turnovers lately, Bone,
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  Speaker 5: we were good for the Detroit game and the Philly game.
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  Speaker 2: No turnovers.
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  Speaker 5: But of course, we had four last week. The defensive
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  Speaker 5: side of the ball, though, Bone, this is a problem.
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  Speaker 5: We have not forced a turnover since the Browns game.
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  Speaker 5: haven't forced a damn turnover since the Cleveland game. And
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  Speaker 5: when you really break a down bone, outside of the
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  Speaker 5: Atlanta game where we forced five turnovers, we've only forced
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  Speaker 5: two turnovers in the other five games combined. we've got
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  Speaker 5: to get back to forcing freaking. And I'm sure it
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  Speaker 5: doesn't help that you don't have Horn and Mike Jack
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  Speaker 5: in there. Because those two were ball hawks last year. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and Mike Jack really was.
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  Speaker 7: I know that Horn had a better year for that too,
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  Speaker 7: but Mike Jack is really good at that stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Both those guys. So I think that's got to be
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  Speaker 5: a factor there as well.
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  Speaker 6: 704-570-9610.
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  Speaker 2: Do you have the energy?
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  Speaker 5: To contribute to the victory formula against the Packers, or
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  Speaker 5: are you simply still too down and out and can't
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  Speaker 5: go there?
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  Speaker 2: See, this is the thing.
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  Speaker 5: We're getting a few text, Bone, from people that are
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  Speaker 5: just like, we ain't going to stop their run. They're
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  Speaker 5: going to run for 150 yards when they haven't run
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  Speaker 5: for more than 86 yards. And I get it. I
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  Speaker 5: am completely aware, Bone, of how many times I've told
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  Speaker 5: you this team does this bad, and they show up
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  Speaker 5: against the Panthers, and they do.
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  Speaker 2: I understand that.
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  Speaker 5: But I can't stress enough how good they have been
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  Speaker 5: recently in these spots. After losses, after getting their ass beat,
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  Speaker 5: I would be shocked if they lay an egg. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not saying they're guaranteed the win or anything, Bone, but
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  Speaker 5: I would be shocked if they don't bounce back. We
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  Speaker 5: often get the recency bias where all we can see
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  Speaker 5: is the last game and it was a doozy of
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  Speaker 5: a poop blaster, that game. It was just all, I mean, seriously,
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  Speaker 5: filled up.
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  Speaker 2: The whole bowl.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: All right. Hey, I flushed that hole, but I might
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  Speaker 5: take two flushes. Get that game down.
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  Speaker 7: That was Finney's nickname back in the day, Poop Blaster.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't know where that phrase
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  Speaker 2: came from. I'm uncomfortable with the whole thing.
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  Speaker 7: I was going to make a point, and now it
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  Speaker 7: just got blasted out of here.
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  Speaker 2: We can bounce back, y'all. Someone points out.
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  Speaker 7: They feel more comfortable right now, Detroit notwithstanding, in the
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  Speaker 7: Cleveland game. They feel more comfortable with the Panthers on
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  Speaker 7: the road right now than at home. The two bad
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  Speaker 7: performances are both at home. Cleveland wasn't great, but I
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  Speaker 7: don't know. For whatever reason, they feel better with the
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  Speaker 7: Panthers on the road right now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame you. In a weird way, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 5: Don't blame you for that at all. We've not got
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  Speaker 5: Molly whomped on the road yet. They get away from
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  Speaker 5: all this media heat. This nasty Charlotte pressure from the
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  Speaker 5: fans and the media.
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  Speaker 2: They get away from Jeff Hawkins' questions. Oh, no. Hawk
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  Speaker 2: got called out.
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  Speaker 5: Panthero says, the recipe is Derrick Brown playing like Derrick
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  Speaker 5: Brown from previous seasons. Another recipe, tell Bryce we're playing
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  Speaker 5: in Atlanta. What do you think, Bone Man, about the offense?
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  Speaker 5: The keys for the game on offense. The Packers are...
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  Speaker 5: As you said, statistically better in some of these defensive categories.
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  Speaker 5: We've got to give it to them. 11th in points
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  Speaker 5: per game, 13th in yards per game. But if you
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  Speaker 5: look at the advance numbers, 4th in EPA per play,
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  Speaker 5: 5th in EPA per rush, 10th EPA per rush, 5th
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  Speaker 5: in EPA per pass.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, I know it's... I mean, Lewis has to
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  Speaker 7: be healthy. That's first and foremost on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: Can we not win without Lewis?
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  Speaker 7: I don't trust anybody else right now, so it's going
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  Speaker 7: to be very, very difficult.
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  Speaker 5: It would be probably Corey Bullock, or Canales mentioned, Curhan, too.
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  Speaker 5: Curhan started the win last year in Lambeau. I will
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  Speaker 5: point that out. Well, he's got good success there, then.
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  Speaker 5: The good thing about... Listen, Damian Lewis is the most
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  Speaker 5: important one on the injury report. There's no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 5: I think you've got to run the football. Again, I
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  Speaker 5: know this sounds like, Mac, you say that every week,
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  Speaker 5: but I just feel like it's a game where... I
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  Speaker 5: think you can run the football on him. We did
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  Speaker 5: it last year, albeit with Rico. But I think Chuba's
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  Speaker 5: playing damn good right now as well. We had an
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  Speaker 5: efficient day running the football the other day, Bone. Problem
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  Speaker 5: is we can only run it 18 times. We're getting
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  Speaker 5: our rear ends kicked. Can Bryce have enough time? I
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  Speaker 5: know that he's also not healthy, so it's a problem.
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  Speaker 5: If Coker's out there, we got to get him going back.
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  Speaker 5: He's been very hit or miss this year. He had
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  Speaker 5: the 138.
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  Speaker 7: Then 66 yards receiving, then 18, then 97, then nine.
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  Speaker 7: We need them healthy first and foremost, but we don't
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  Speaker 7: need them having games of 18 yards receiving and nine.
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  Speaker 7: And I know that a lot goes into that, but
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  Speaker 7: I need a consistent and a solid performance out of
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  Speaker 7: Jalen Coker here.
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  Speaker 5: It would definitely help. There's no doubt about it. It
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  Speaker 5: wasn't all his fault the other day. You know what
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  Speaker 5: I mean? The offensive line didn't get Bryce time. Bryce
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  Speaker 5: wasn't at his best either. But, yeah, when you can
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  Speaker 5: get Coker and T-Mac humming. Coker's not had a touchdown
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  Speaker 5: since Chicago when he had two.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now, he was injured a little bit, but still to
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  Speaker 2: your point.
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like it's a game you come out
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  Speaker 5: for the first time this season and say we are
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  Speaker 5: going to run the ball at you. We try to
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  Speaker 5: set a freaking mindset from the start for the first time.
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  Speaker 5: And I'd like to see them give that a go
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  Speaker 5: and see if they can make that work. I will
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  Speaker 5: say this about Bryce and time to pass. And again,
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  Speaker 5: this is where you roll your eyes because last week,
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  Speaker 5: I told you last week, Bone, that Tampa was 31st
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  Speaker 5: in pressure percentage on defense. and 24th in sack percentage.
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  Speaker 5: And I'll be damned if they didn't look like the
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  Speaker 5: New York Sack Exchange out there. So some of this stuff,
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't ring true, right? But Green Bay, 19th in
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  Speaker 5: sack percentage. There'll be no Micah Parsons in this game.
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  Speaker 5: Pressure percentage is 22nd. They don't have a star edge.
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  Speaker 5: And on the interior, they have no one with more
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  Speaker 5: than seven pressures on the interior. So could it be
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  Speaker 5: a game where we in the trenches– actually can hold
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  Speaker 5: up on both sides of the ball i don't know
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  Speaker 5: who knows what to expect from this jekyll and hyde team.
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  Speaker 7: I'm feeling a very close game tomorrow night i would
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  Speaker 7: agree i think the teams are are even in a
• 14:02
  Speaker 7: lot of ways now thursday matt can throw uh could
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  Speaker 7: throw uh i'm looking for.
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  Speaker 2: A term here i'm trying to think of what i'm
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  Speaker 2: looking for here.
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  Speaker 7: That uh thursdays can throw um uh i don't know
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  Speaker 7: something with the with the wrench and the monkey and
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  Speaker 7: uh in the something i'll try to think i'm trying
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  Speaker 7: to think of something like uh i don't know screw it.
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  Speaker 5: Throw a wrench into the plans or something like that
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  Speaker 5: yeah i was gonna say throw a monkey wrench into
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  Speaker 5: the plans are you a fan of when bone uh
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: struggles with simple sayings like i got just punch.
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  Speaker 7: No i got just gives it i got no help
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  Speaker 7: here i tried to lead you guys i.
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  Speaker 5: Thought you were talking about like Throwing screen passes? Thursdays
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  Speaker 5: can be unpredictable. Thursday night games on any front can
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: be unpredictable. We have no idea what may happen. Look
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  Speaker 5: at Tampa-Dallas a couple weeks ago. We thought Tampa Bay
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  Speaker 5: had no shot in that game, and they go out
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  Speaker 5: there and they run Dallas off the field.
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  Speaker 7: I'm not even going to say what happened on Sunday,
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  Speaker 7: but there's a lot of unpredictability in these games. I'm
• 14:59
  Speaker 7: so annoyed by me throwing myself out there, giving you
• 15:03
  Speaker 7: guys the opportunity to finish what I'm trying to say,
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  Speaker 7: and no one helps me.
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  Speaker 3: Bones like a horse, Mac. You can lead him to
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  Speaker 3: the water, but you can't make.
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  Speaker 2: Him drink it. I mean, the finishing there of Bone,
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  Speaker 2: it was hard to watch.
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  Speaker 7: The look on your face was, there's no one cheering
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  Speaker 7: me on here.
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  Speaker 2: You're rooting for me to fail it. You know what
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  Speaker 2: I meant. They throw a wrench into the.
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  Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about something in passing. You
• 15:26
  Speaker 5: let me out to dry for a long time on
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: that one. You had lost me. Oh, my goodness. Dan
• 15:32
  Speaker 5: Orlovsky also didn't know how to complete that saying as well, Boney.
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: I'm out here. I needed a life jacket. I'm drowning.
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: Let's face it. Your point about Thursday is true, but
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: NFL in general, it doesn't matter what day. And they
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: play games on a lot of days in the NFL nowadays.
• 15:44
  Speaker 5: Any game, something crazy. Who the hell saw what happened
• 15:47
  Speaker 5: last week coming? But I'm telling you, man, the Panthers,
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: like the woman in the dentist office told me yesterday,
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: when the Panthers, when you expect the Panthers to do well,
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: they don't. And when you don't expect them to do well,
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: they do. And I would think today, this week is
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: one of the latter type games. Have not played a
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: Thursday night game bone in three years.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: It has been since. It's been since Bryce's rookie season.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: This texter says, move the game from primetime if you
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: want to have a chance of winning.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: We're 1-0 in primetime, dumbass.
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah, beat the Lions in primetime. That got aggressive, Fit. Well,
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: I mean, just send in better text.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 16:28
  Speaker 7: Finney just threw a wrench into that texter's plans. You
• 16:30
  Speaker 7: mentioned the woman in the dentist's office, what she said.
• 16:33
  Speaker 7: What did the lady say to you on the way
• 16:34
  Speaker 7: to the dentist's office, the lady driving in?
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: She flipped me to Dan Byrd. I tried to cut
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: her off. She flipped me to Byrd, just rolled right
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: past me.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Where were you at? He went straight Kyle Larson down
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the road. Trade Street and Matthews?
• 16:46
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Matthews is a tricky place to drive.
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: It's Trade Street where you're going like away from Matthews,
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: downtown Matthews, and where you get to a stoplight.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: I forget which one it was.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: And the right lane I got in and didn't realize, oh, crap,
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: this is a right turn lane only.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: I can't stay straight.
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: And I tried to do the thing where you're like,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: just kind of slide over and cut somebody off, and
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: she wasn't having it. She was like, damn, Dale Earnhardt
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: into Black 3, bro. She was just like, nope, you're
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: not getting in here, and I'm going to flip you
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: the bird. All the while, my 13-year-old daughter is watching
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: this occur. She seemed to enjoy it, though. I feel
• 17:26
  Speaker 5: like she likes when people.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Are mean to me. They like your demise.
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: When we come back, Tim Donnelly of 99.9 The Fan
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: and Raleigh. He's going to talk about what happened with
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Dave Doran. Where do the pack go next? The Heels, Duke,
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: and more. Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: All right, quick little message to our fine, amazing listeners
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: out there. We got people requesting, hey, man, I need
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: a little bit of hoops talk.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: We got a little hoop scoop for you.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: We're going to talk about the Tar Heels barely beating
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Charlotte in an exhibition last night.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Niner fans should be excited.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: We're going to talk a little Hornets, but we've got
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: plenty of college football the rest of the way. Going
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: to focus on NC State and Dave Doran's presser yesterday,
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: the Dave Doran era, but certainly the coaching search. But
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: listen to the podcast. Go in after the show, listen
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: to the podcast, and then you can find the different
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: subjects you would like to hear about wherever you get
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: your podcast. WFNZ.com, Apple, Spotify. Listen at your leisure as
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: your day goes on on the Mac and Bone Show.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: Right now, Bowen, we've got to focus on NC State.
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: We've got to talk about this Wolfpack coaching search. We've
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: got to put an end, put a bow on the
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: Dave Doran era, which he did yesterday with a press conference.
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: Tim Donnelly is the host of The Drive on 99.9
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: The Fan in Raleigh. We call that station here on
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: our show, Bone, 99.9 The Gold.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Adam Gold has paid us to refer to that station
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: that way. But Tim Donnelly, very good in the afternoon
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: as well, and he joins us. Tim, what's going on, man?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: How you doing?
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm doing well. You know, I wish I could come
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: on and talk about the things Adam talks with you
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: guys about because the Canes are much more fun than
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: talking football right now.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: That's everybody. Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: You didn't get the Canes assignment. I'm sorry to mention that.
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: There's a big Adam Gold club on the text line
• 19:41
  Speaker 7: every Tuesday. Now I say club because it could vary
• 19:44
  Speaker 7: from fan club to get this guy off the radio club.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: That is true. Depending on the day of the week. there, Tim.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Could go either way.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: Let's talk about Dave Doran and the presser yesterday and
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: just his era. I just think that's such a classy way, Tim,
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: to end his era. We compared it to Ron Rivera.
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: Ron Rivera wanted to do a presser after being fired.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: It's so rare that coaches do that. And I just
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: think he deserves credit for that. And I think he
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: deserves credit for his run. But also, I understand why
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: State fans are like, hey, I'm glad we're trying something different.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: Like, how do you feel about all that?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, without excusing any of the, you know, pitfalls that
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: he fell into later in his tenure with State. I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: think you're exactly right. I think he tries to do
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: things the right way. I think he was hired to
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: win in a college football that doesn't exist anymore. A
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: lot of the skill set that, you know, made him
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: the right candidate when they moved on from Tom O'Brien
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: so many years ago probably also is why it's the
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: right time to move on from him now. But I
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: second you with what you said about Ron Rivera. Sometimes
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I think these, like, traditional football guys, you feel like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: they're going to be mean or they're going to light
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: the world on fire when they leave because they're so intense.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: But really, they're just good dudes and they just, you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: fit in in a locker room. So I think Dave
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Dorn went out exactly how he coached, which is kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: of no nonsense, but classy at the same time.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: Tim, it's kind of a two-fold question here about Dorn
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: and this season. How surprised are you from where we
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: thought this team was in the preseason that it got
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: to this point of a firing, and where did it
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: most go wrong to get here?
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm unbelievably surprised, and I think there's enough receipts out
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: there of me talking about how hyped I was for
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: this NC State team. I can't say it any other way.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: You know, I think we're all still learning where to
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: spend your money in college football. You know, if you
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: look at the NFL kind of model, a gigantic part
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: of the salary cap goes to the quarterback. So I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: think that may be where it went wrong. And I
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like C.J.
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Bailey.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I think he's a really, really good quarterback. But it's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: kind of the opportunity cost. Do you spend gigantic for
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: the quarterback? And that may come at the cost of
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: your left tackle and your running back and your receiver
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and your defensive player. Or do you kind of reverse
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it and maybe go with a more Wake Forest strategy,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: which is you shop the bargain basement for the quarterback
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: and perhaps have a little bit more for the rest
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: of your roster? I think they may have spent their
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: money in maybe the wrong place without knocking C.J. Bailey
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: too much. It's a really tough world if you aren't
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: one of the big, big spenders in college football.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: It is, no doubt about it. We're talking with Tim
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: Donnelly from 99.9, the fan in Raleigh, talking about the Wolfpack.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: football situation. Moving on from Dave Doran. Now, I want
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: to ask this question kind of twofold, Tim. I want
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: to ask how you feel about Phillip Rivers' mania, and
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I want to know how are the state fans that
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: are in your listenership feeling? Is this an idea that
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: you and the state fans are getting behind?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: I'm in on Phillip Rivers, and for the simple reason
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: of In college football now, if it's a quote-unquote bad hire,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: and I admit Phillip Rivers is a risk, it doesn't
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: set you back as long as it used to. You
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: can reset your roster in a year. We're seeing it
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: with NC State basketball. They hire Will Wade. It goes horrendous.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: They're on to the next coach the next year with
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a completely different roster. So give Phillip Rivers the chance.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: He'll fundraise as well as anybody ever has for that program,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and he won't even have to work that hard to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: do it just because people will almost– you know, bend
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: over backwards to be in his orbit based on, on
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: what he means to them as a player. I will
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: say it's more polarizing in the fan base. I, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just sent out a tweet saying, you know, before I
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: hire any run of the mill offensive coordinator from a
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: CFP team or a group of six, you know, hot coach,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I would make Phillip Rivers say no to me three
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: times if I were NC state. And the response is
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: either yay Phillip or it's, Why in the world would
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: you do this?
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: It invokes the low hire.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: There's no experience. You need someone that knows what they're doing, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So I wouldn't say there's many people that are lukewarm
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: on a Phillip Rivers hire. Everybody is either all the
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: way in or all the way out. I'm in the
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: kind of all the way in category.
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: If it's not Rivers, what's another name or two that
• 24:17
  Speaker 7: intrigues you the most of the names that we hear
• 24:20
  Speaker 7: attached to the job?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: If you're going to go the coordinator route, you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: it's a familiar name, but it's the younger generation. Mike Shanahan,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator from Indiana, has been mentioned. Buster Faulkner,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator from Florida, has been mentioned. He was
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech previously. And then, you know, the same
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: old names, the Dan Mullins, the Billy Napiers, the Jamie Chadwells.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: These guys that have maybe had opportunities at bigger schools
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and then come back down and kind of rebuilt themselves
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: at the group of six level. I tend to go
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: more coordinator than retread head coach. So, you know, I
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: like what Buster did at Georgia Tech. That one might
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: fit if you're looking for somebody outside the NC State tree.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He's a very interesting name, man. No doubt about it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: What he did with Haynes King, what he's doing at Florida,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: you can't, you cannot deny it.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: Let me ask you this real quick before we let
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: you go on the basketball side, because we're getting ready
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: to do a hoop segment. So let me start it
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: now on the NC State side. What is your feeling
• 25:21
  Speaker 5: about the Justin Ganey era in the short term, like
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: this season, but also the bigger picture?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a direct reaction to Will Wade.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I already brought it up. They went outside
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: the family for the hire. It didn't work. And Justin
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Ganey is inside the NC State family, played there, assistant, GA.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: He understands. The question is really going to come down
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to Paul McNeil Jr., a player that they worked very
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: hard to retain from last year's contract, who can get
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: as hot shooting the basketball as anybody. He had a
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: 47-point game last year. So if he can grow into
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: a consistent, every game, number one scorer, Justin Ganey comes
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in with a defensive background from his time as an assistant,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: most recently at Tennessee. I think they'll be solid defensively.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: The offensive side that worries me a little bit, if
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Paul McNeil can make that work, then I think they
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: could surprise some people. Long term, I really like Justin Ganey.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I've talked to him a few times. He seems to
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: get it. He understands. And most importantly, I think he
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: has an identity. Right. In college basketball, you need to,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: you know, and this is college football, too. You look
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: at the portal, you look at high school, there's thousands
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: of names. You need to have an identity so you
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: can limit that to like 200 to evaluate and really
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: get to know who you should bring in. His defensive identity,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: I think, can serve them long term. And then his
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: love for NC State will go a long way as well.
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: The field of 68 yesterday had a discussion. This is
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: before the Heels exhibition game against Charlotte. Could the Heels
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: miss the NCAA tournament? I thought that was a little ridiculous.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: Then you watched the game. Then I watched the game.
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's true, but how worrisome is this
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: year one for Michael Malone and really the depth of
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: this team, this Heels team, being a problem?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not worried about it. I think Michael Malone has
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: some real learning curves, but I think he's a guy
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that will learn it quickly. Perfect example, the game against Charlotte, right?
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: He said in one of the early press conferences, timeouts,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: he was telling his guys, like, relax, breathe, you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: let's get going. They look like the Keystone Cops. And,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a difference between motivating a 27-year-old or
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: 30-year-old pro, right? Those guys motivate themselves. They show up,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: they know what they're doing. Sometimes you've got to get
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: a 20-year-old, you know, out of bed. You know what
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: I mean? Sometimes you've got to wake those guys up
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and he'll learn. So there's there's learning curves for Michael Malone.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: So early on, I think there's going to be some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: some ugly ones. And you might you might say that
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Charlotte game or exhibition game was one of them. But
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I'm a big Dallas fan coming over on the transfer
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: portal from from Virginia Tech. I think Terrence Brown is
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: going to be able to fill it up. They have
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: some guys that I think just the talent level will
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: rise to the occasion eventually.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: All right, man. Hey, good to talk to you, Tim.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: We're sorry that you do not get in on the
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Canes talk fun that Adam Gold does with us. But
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: the Canes won, and they got the most points in
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: the damn league. Of course they do. Tim, keep up
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: the good work, man. Thanks for coming on.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And, yeah, there's misery loves company all
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: across the football world. So, you know, you guys keep
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: doing your thing with the Panthers.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: And we're trying. All right, brother.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: All right, be good. There you go. That is Tim Donnelly, 99.9,
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: the fan in Raleigh. All right, James from Maiden. And
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: we're getting ready to talk about the worries that Heels
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: fans might have after last night, but the excitement Charlotte
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: fans might have after last night. But real quick, James
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: from Maiden is texting about Duke, and he's all over UNC.
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: He says to me, Duke's second team. would, uh, would
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: beat UNC starters. And I said, you might be true
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: about that. And he is incredulous. He says, you, you
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: say might, is that an overstatement? I mean, Carolina's got
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: three really good starting guards, but then again, Rippy and
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, Boozer might be backups, right?
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: Foster might be a backup. We haven't even seen the
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: Belmont transfer. That's a menace on the glass yet. Sharknado there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: He has been out all preseason. I mean, Cam Williams,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: Bryson Howard, Bryson Howard.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, Wilkins.
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: I would say no, but it would be a really
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: competitive ball. And then, of course, Duke could just always
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: go ahead and put someone else on the second unit
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: there and win the game.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Boomshack, Boomshack can go ahead and bench for a game. Finney,
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: does that annoy you?
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: That James is flapping his gums saying our second unit
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: would beat your starters?
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Is that BS?
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: It's typical James from Maiden texting.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: But, I mean, look, when you beat a top 10
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: team by 40, you go to Allen Fieldhouse and you
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: beat Kansas?
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: I'd be pretty confident.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: They're freaking loaded. They are good, man.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: I'm a little worried.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: I'm a little stressed about the way my team has looked.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: I think that we're still in a better spot with
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: who our guy is on the sidelines as opposed to Hubert. Also, congrats, Hubert,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: back on television. Wonder what else to say whenever he
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: has to talk about Carolina.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Malone will coach, man. Malone will coach.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: He'll roll up the sleeves. It is an adjustment to
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: coaching the whippersnappers, right? And not the pros. But he's
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: going to coach.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Mac, I really worry about his temper with these young men.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: He's talking about having to adjust the talent from college
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: to the pro level.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: His patience.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be tested.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: He needs a Xanax, man.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: He sat down on the bench.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: He called a demonstrative timeout earlier last night where you
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: could tell that he was stomping off the court.
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: And when we come back, it's the clip that Tim
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: talked about. Wait to hear what he said about addressing
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: the guys and the way they started the game and
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: addressing them in the timeout.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: It's a big difference between Hubert's mentality and Michael Malone's intensity.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: I think I like this better.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Better i'm not gonna lie i think i think i
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: like an intense coach better what the fart.
• 31:06
  Speaker 7: Long term it'll be it'll be great yeah but like
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: the the adjustment period might be a little bit of
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: a uh well it might be an adjustment period as
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: i just said we come back we're gonna talk hoops
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: as matt just said we're calling this segment hoop scoop
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: unc needs overtime to beat charlotte bill simmons still a
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  Speaker 7: hornets believer and an all-time charlotte sports legend finally honored
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  Speaker 7: like he should. Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
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  Speaker 2: They got whiskey, women, music, and smoke.
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  Speaker 1: It's where all.
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  Speaker 7: The cowboy folk go to boot scoot boogie.
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  Speaker 2: I got a good job.
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  Speaker 1: I work hard for my money.
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  Speaker 2: When it's quitting time, I kick the door running. I
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  Speaker 2: fire up my pickup truck.
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  Speaker 5: This goes out to John the Beer Man who says,
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  Speaker 5: your segment should be the Hoop Scoop Boogie. And we've
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  Speaker 5: definitely done this before. And you know what, John? Because
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  Speaker 5: of you, we played the song. It's a time for
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  Speaker 5: a little Hoop Scoop Boogie, baby, on the Mac and
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  Speaker 5: Bone Show.
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  Speaker 7: This is really.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, this is changing the game here. Just Hoop Scoop
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  Speaker 2: was like, okay.
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  Speaker 5: Hoop Scoop Boogie, now there's a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 5: us to Hoop Scoop and Boogie. Charlotte fans, are you
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  Speaker 5: excited after last night and pushing the heels? 49ers!
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have a Chris Webber moment....
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  Speaker 5: Trying to inbounds the ball with a one-point lead under
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  Speaker 5: 20 seconds to go. You very well might have upset
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  Speaker 5: the heels. Wes Miller, someone just texted him out the
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  Speaker 5: talent and athletes that he has added. You can see it,
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  Speaker 5: the length, the athleticism bone, but you also see the
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  Speaker 5: skill level in that backcourt. Tillery and Harris. Like you
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  Speaker 5: could see those guys, my man, sinister Finister. Like I just,
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  Speaker 5: the heels conversation is one. If he said he was
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  Speaker 5: all disgusted watching it, I don't blame him. Oh, we
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  Speaker 5: forgot to play the Mike Malone cut. We were so
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  Speaker 5: excited about the hoop scoop boogie. We forgot to play
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  Speaker 5: Mike Malone.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Malone.
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  Speaker 5: Charlotte fans should be fired up. And I am fired up.
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  Speaker 5: I want y'all to have a team.
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  Speaker 7: It's an exhibition game, but that meant everything to Charlotte fans.
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  Speaker 7: They've been craving for two plus decades a team that
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  Speaker 7: can be competitive throughout an entire season. And I think
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  Speaker 7: they have that this year. One of their best and most,
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  Speaker 7: I don't want to say hyped up team, but the
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  Speaker 7: team that gives them the most hope in a very,
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  Speaker 7: very long time.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's real. I think I know it's an
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  Speaker 5: exhibition game. This dude said, I'm a Charlotte fan. I'm
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: trying not to get too excited. It was an exhibition.
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  Speaker 5: Y'all jumped up on him by 15 points. Carolina didn't
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  Speaker 5: know what hit him. They were not ready for that
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  Speaker 5: smoke early on. And Charlotte came out and was ready
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  Speaker 5: to get after it, man. And they got after on
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  Speaker 5: the offensive boards. And that's a Carolina weakness. They went
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  Speaker 5: after got 12 offensive boards for 18 second half points.
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  Speaker 5: And they've got players. You look at a kid like
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  Speaker 5: you look at some of the kids that have come
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  Speaker 5: from Cincinnati. Kid like Tillery. He's going to be able
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  Speaker 5: to he's going to be a baller in the American
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  Speaker 5: man coming from the Big 12.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 7: Only averaged three points per game at Cincinnati, and it
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  Speaker 7: is interesting that he only had that, but he is
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  Speaker 7: just a sophomore. But they could have had Jizzle James also, Mac,
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  Speaker 7: into this equation as well until he got kicked off
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  Speaker 7: the team. But there's a lot more talent And even
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  Speaker 7: with Aaron Fern, who we liked, they played a certain
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  Speaker 7: style that was kind of like not the most exciting
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  Speaker 7: brand of basketball.
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  Speaker 5: I think this team is going to be very fun
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  Speaker 5: to watch. They can get up and down the floor.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't shoot the three well in overtime. The Tar
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  Speaker 5: Heels really got up on the shooters. But there is
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  Speaker 5: potential for this team to get up and down the floor.
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  Speaker 5: They lost by 20 in their previous exhibition game to Georgia.
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  Speaker 2: Last week.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I don't know what that says about... What
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  Speaker 7: does that say about the Heels? Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Let's play... Although Georgia's an improving team, too, the last
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  Speaker 2: couple years.
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  Speaker 5: Let's play this clip from Michael, don't call me Mike Malone,
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  Speaker 5: right now, and his reaction to yet another slow start
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  Speaker 5: by the Heels in an exhibition.
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  Speaker 8: Our guys looked a little nervous, a little shook out there.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, there were some plays in that first half
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  Speaker 8: that looked like the Keystone Cops. I mean, we couldn't dribble,
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  Speaker 8: we couldn't pass, we couldn't shoot. And I told him
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  Speaker 8: early in one of the huddles, I said, man, I
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  Speaker 8: have to take a deep breath, relax. These guys work
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  Speaker 8: so hard. I mean, we've had really good practices. And
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  Speaker 8: then they get into these game situations for the first
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  Speaker 8: time in front of a home crowd. And I thought
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  Speaker 8: they were just kind of very excited. And we just
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  Speaker 8: need to kind of, because I challenged them, you know,
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  Speaker 8: we still have not won a first half. We're 0
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  Speaker 8: for 3 in the first half. We lost to Indiana.
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  Speaker 8: We lost to USC. We lost to Charlotte. And the
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  Speaker 8: fact that we were only down three at halftime was
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  Speaker 8: a miracle because we played around 15 minutes of really
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  Speaker 8: bad basketball. We closed the half. And I like the
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  Speaker 8: fact that we just stayed with it. We stayed with it.
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  Speaker 8: We found our way. But, yeah, lots to clean up.
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  Speaker 1: Alex, the number one.
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  Speaker 5: So there you go, Michael Malone, talking about the start.
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  Speaker 5: He thought they were nervous and jittery. In an exhibition
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  Speaker 5: against Charlotte?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What the heck?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Maybe maybe the intensity of Michael Malone is also something
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  Speaker 7: they have to get used to. And maybe the nervousness
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  Speaker 7: comes from this guy's this guy's an intimidating figure.
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  Speaker 2: And it's just got to be something over time that
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  Speaker 2: they get used to, I guess. Maybe. I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: Put your big boy pants on. I'm not sure why
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  Speaker 7: you'd be nervous in that environment. It's a home environment
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  Speaker 7: exhibition game. It's their third one.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It's kind of odd to me, but he's telling you
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  Speaker 5: the damn truth right there, what he felt about his team. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if I'm a Tar Heel fan, I'm definitely concerned. It's weird, Fetty,
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: because the USC game, like there were some legitimate things
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  Speaker 5: there that I looked at some guys that I did
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  Speaker 5: not expect to play big roles that stepped up. Like
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Stevenson had the big scoring night. Dennis had the big night.
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  Speaker 5: They hadn't really done that since then, although Stevenson hit
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  Speaker 5: a couple big shots last night. But how worried are
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  Speaker 5: you about this team, man?
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  Speaker 2: Extremely.
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  Speaker 6: Mack, they paid $ 20 million for that roster. And that's
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  Speaker 6: a roster that got pushed by a team picked to
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  Speaker 6: finish fifth in the American. Got thoroughly outplayed by a
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  Speaker 6: team picked to finish fifth in the American. The Indiana debacle,
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  Speaker 6: I could justify that in a lot of ways. What
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  Speaker 6: happened against USC, they were down three of their top
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  Speaker 6: eight players. That wasn't USC at full force. Like, I
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  Speaker 6: thought this was going to be like a classic Carolina,
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  Speaker 6: Roy Williams type of situation where they'll get better game
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  Speaker 6: to game, week to week, month to month. And I
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  Speaker 6: thought they had like second weekend potential when you get
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: to March.
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  Speaker 3: Like, they make the tournament. They win a game.
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  Speaker 6: With what I've seen through three games, I'd be satisfied.
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  Speaker 5: The guards are good, though, right? Abel didn't play last night.
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  Speaker 5: Brown finally got it going.
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  Speaker 2: He was in attack mode. Yeah, but I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if they're good together.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know if Brown and Abdalas can share the
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  Speaker 6: backcourt together. And Malone's talking about, I want to take
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  Speaker 6: the ball out of Brown's hands.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand that mindset.
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  Speaker 6: But the Neo does these things where it's like, you
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  Speaker 6: see why the ball's in his hands?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah. So you think they have two guys that
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  Speaker 5: both need the ball, is what your concern is.
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  Speaker 6: It's not the same style. It reminds me so much
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  Speaker 6: of Caleb Love and R.J.
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  Speaker 1: Davis.
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  Speaker 6: They coexisted together for six weeks and three years. Like,
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  Speaker 6: six weeks it looked okay. I don't know if they
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  Speaker 6: can play together.
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  Speaker 2: Like, they may have to.
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  Speaker 3: trade them on and off.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe just put Abdallah at center since he had seven
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  Speaker 5: more rebounds than your starting center did.
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  Speaker 7: The good news is I think Michael Mullen's going to
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  Speaker 7: be really good long-term. He's got them in the mix
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  Speaker 7: for so many high-level recruits going forward. So try to
• 38:56
  Speaker 7: navigate this year. Maybe he can maximize the most out
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  Speaker 7: of the roster. Phinney, I asked you last week, and
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  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that he was tied to them, but
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  Speaker 7: I looked at the news of Trey Kaufman-Wren going to Kansas,
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  Speaker 7: the former Purdue star that went there late, and I thought, man,
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  Speaker 7: would he not have been a huge addition to the
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  Speaker 7: heels up front, half-court offense in a Mike Malone system?
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  Speaker 7: I thought Trey Kaufman-Wren would have been a massive get
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  Speaker 7: for the heels late in the fall. I don't know
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  Speaker 7: if there was ever talk of that. Do they have
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  Speaker 7: any roster spots?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: But I don't disagree with what you're saying. But Michael
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  Speaker 6: Malone was probably sitting there thinking, this guy has no.
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  Speaker 3: Eligibility left, why would I try to pursue him?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: And then all of a sudden, the dude ends up
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  Speaker 7: in Kansas. He's a great fit for, like, what you
• 39:37
  Speaker 7: need in the half court.
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  Speaker 2: You're not lying.
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  Speaker 6: Like, I think if he could go back and redo it,
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  Speaker 6: they'd probably go and get a much more legitimate front court.
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  Speaker 3: Like, look, Kano's going to be fine.
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: Like, Mac, what he did in the short roll with
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  Speaker 6: those passes in the pocket, he's going.
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  Speaker 2: To be fine.
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  Speaker 3: Hit a three. He's got to get stronger.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: He's got to get two rebounds in 33 minutes. But, like...
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  Speaker 2: And then Jaron Stevenson, two rebounds?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: We're talking about Cameron Fins as if he's God.
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  Speaker 2: He played at South Dakota.
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  Speaker 3: He was an all-Summit League player. He would help the frontcourt.
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't revitalize it in a way that they could
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  Speaker 6: compete with the big boys of college basketball.
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  Speaker 3: They've got issues, man.
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: Let me read off some of these texts. Bingo says
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: it's an exhibition game. Fitty might be the most negative
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Heels fan in the world. Another texter, we should have
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: hired Wes Miller. Myron says the guards are not UNC good.
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  Speaker 5: They are meh.
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  Speaker 2: I disagree with that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: What does that make the rebounders to front court then?
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Terrence Brown looks like a UNC guard.
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  Speaker 7: There's also really not a lot of big men depth
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  Speaker 7: back there. I know that Cameron Fens had eligibility, but
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: there's not a lot of bodies off that right now anyway,
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: like big men wise.
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  Speaker 5: Some of their off made some plays, but it's just
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  Speaker 5: it seems like a lot. That's where it feels mad
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  Speaker 5: to me. The front line. Yes.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: You know, that's where it feels mad.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Let's get to the Hornets portion of of Hoopscoop Boogie here,
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  Speaker 5: shall we?
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Let's I'm aroused. Let's salute Muggsy Bogues.
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  Speaker 5: Because the Hornets are going to do so on February 1st.
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  Speaker 2: The Hornets are going to walk or settle down.
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  Speaker 5: The Hornets are going to retire Muggsy's number, and let
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  Speaker 5: me be the first to read off. I'm sure this
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: joke was used probably on KB's show about 15 times
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  Speaker 5: by texters, but let me read off the texter that says,
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  Speaker 5: now we know why they traded LaMelo so they could
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  Speaker 5: retire Muggsy's number.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go. What a line. There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Hell of a line, baby. I like it. What a line.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Long overdue, Bonesy. Long overdue, right?
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: When the new ownership took over, one of the first
• 41:31
  Speaker 7: things I said was they had to figure out a
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: way to honor Dell and Muggsy and get their jerseys retired.
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: It was overdue long before they took over. I'm glad
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: that they are doing both those things. Dell last year,
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: now Muggsy this year.
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  Speaker 2: Well-deserved.
• 41:47
  Speaker 7: Muggsy Bogues is in that Luke Keekly category of all-time
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: Charlotte athletes that fans love the most. Whenever we talk
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: to Muggsy, we promote Muggsy. Whenever he's out somewhere, Muggsy
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  Speaker 7: Bogues just appeals to that era, to so many people,
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: his story, his journey. one of the most unique athletes ever.
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: And as someone said yesterday on Twitter, we'll see another
• 42:11
  Speaker 7: Wemby along the way, like tall dudes will be there forever.
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: We will never see a dude five, three playing point
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: guard at that level for that long in the NBA.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: No, it's crazy. It's just unbelievable, man. And anybody that
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: has children, right. That are like small for their age
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: and they want to play sports. You point to Muggsy Bogues.
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: I know in soccer, I'll often point to messy.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? The greatest ever.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: And he's small as hell, you know? Hey, you tell
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: the little fellas that. But Muggsy Bogues, you can point
• 42:39
  Speaker 5: to your kids and say, if he can do it
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: with hard work, you can do what you want to
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: do as well.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: And he's just salt of the earth nice guy. Absolutely.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Just salt of the earth. Great freaking guy as well.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: He's the only athlete that looks up to Finney. We will.
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  Speaker 2: Only literally.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Only not in a figurative sense.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: We will, due to time constraints, we will postpone Bill
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Simmons gushing over the Hornets and calling them a playoff team.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: We will do that at the end of the show
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: in the wrap-up segment. We will postpone that. I'm sure
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: there'll be more of that anyway throughout the season.
• 43:16
  Speaker 7: When we come back, Willie P, he talks about the
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: Panthers debacle on Sunday, FC losing late on Saturday, the
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: Hornets start to the season.
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  Speaker 2: It's all on the table. Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.