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RELEASING PAIN: Keening, Grief Tending & Sovereignty | Martha Wright - Ep. 61 · Soul Communication Podcast with Diana MaAra Divine

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Keening is not just about the death, it is embracing the death
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as we embrace winter every year because the earth needs it.
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We need the death to become the fertile material that then feeds
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the soil so that in the spring bulbs have food to regrow and
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plants can go anew so that life can come back.
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It's beautiful to understand grief as a necessary ally in
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order to become someone different.
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We are going through it and making space so that we can
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become more ourselves, the ancient one that lives deep
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within that soul expression, so we can become more of that than
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ever before. It's incredibly powerful and
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empowering. Welcome everyone to Soul
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Communication. I'm Deanna Mara Devine, and I'm
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excited to continue diving with you deeper into different rabbit
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holes reality to explore the human consciousness to explore
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how we can get better and shine our light more.
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I am actually excited to head out to California to new living
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Expos in San Francisco area. This Expo is happening in April
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17 through 19. Come and find me there.
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My boost is B34. I'll be also speaking on stage
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on Sunday at 11:15 talking about awakening the quantum human at
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the age of AI. So very much a topic that we'll
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go deeper into today with my guest Martha, right?
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She is a combination of maternal and bad ass.
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She has a heart for helping people reclaim their agency and
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live with presents. And as a medicine woman.
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Her work weaves together the Celtics virtuality, the shamanic
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energy, healing, psychology, somatic awareness, executive
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coaching, and grief tendon. And grief tendon is an
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interesting topic that Martha and I will go into deeper
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because I do believe this is a topic that is surfacing up.
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A lot of us are processing energies and to step into the
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quantum human, we really have to let that out.
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Welcome Martha. I'm so excited to have you on
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Self Communication. Thank you so much for having me.
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I'm so excited to be here. Yay.
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So Martha, you've been doing this work and helping people
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around the world. What excites you today and where
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you all on your journey? What's happening in humanity
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right now? That's a great question.
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OK, So what I really feel is present right now is people will
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call it A reckoning, and it's a word that I think spikes a lot
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of fear and anxiety, and then people react to that concept.
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But really, if we peel back the top layer and ask, what is this
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really? Where does this come from?
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What we're experiencing is the culmination of unprocessed
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grief, unprocessed rage, unprocessed pain, as well as
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unprocessed pleasure and sensuality, of excitement, of
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hope, things that for whatever time, reason and situation,
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people were not able to feel, they were not able to process
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their own experience. And largely speaking to our
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history as a humanity, that's been largely an experience of
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pain and suffering. And so when we do not process
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that in our bodies, it gets stuck in the body.
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And if we die with it, our body then also goes back to the earth
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because we are of the earth, right?
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We are made from the earth. We return to the earth.
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And so our bodies, as well as the imprint of our lived life,
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like the energy that we create and express as we live our life,
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stepping on the soil, walking every day that goes into the
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earth as well. And so the earth itself has been
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holding not only this history, but our current tensions too.
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And so by having all of this energy just sitting and waiting,
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we have come to this time, this very sacred and auspicious time,
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but this time that we all incornated for a reason.
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And I think it's because we all have the courage, strength and
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endurance to process that grief, whether it's in our own bodies,
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whether it's in our bones, from our lineage, whether it's of the
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collective and those we cry for because they cannot cry
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themselves, or if it's for the land, you know?
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And I think that there's just this tremendous tension that's
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been built up over hundreds to thousands of years and also over
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generations that is time to be felt.
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Because part of this whole ascension conversation is not
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just about intelligence and intuition.
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It's about experience. Can we live open, vulnerable,
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wise and love each other and respect each other?
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How we show up in that moment as opposed to being a certain way
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and masking that and responding with a canned response because
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that's what's expected of us. Living in that kind of higher
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frequency requires to be living with authenticity and
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vulnerability. And that doesn't always mean
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weakness, right? That also means strength.
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So I think that's where we are right now is we're in the, we're
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not at the end yet. So we are very much in these
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beginning stages. It's all been built up.
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It's now time for us to do the hard work of the feeling to heal
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ourselves and each other. I completely agree with you
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because quantum healing that I do is all about finding these.
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I call them distortion. So densities that I see in the
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field of others and grief is very much part of that because
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it's a collection of all that debris, so to speak, that needs
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to be recycled, but it's just held in the energy fields, held
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in the chakras and blocks people from moving forward.
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So recognizing these different patterns that also been
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collected from the ancestral lineage, often it's not their
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stuff, it's actually these programs that the lineage has
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been running. And so as an Incarnate, you come
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into this avatar body with these preprogrammed patterns.
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So someone who is doing the work but they have a hard time
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processing, what would you recommend?
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What's a good start? Think it depends on the level
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where their comfort and their capacity is.
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So I think to begin, if we're looking at a novice, someone
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who's new and just exploring this but hasn't really done a
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deep dive into energy work, I would recommend doing some
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breath work and grounding techniques.
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And when I say grounding, it's not just about sending one's
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roots into the earth, because I feel like that's aggressive.
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It's about sitting with the earth and asking, will you hold
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me? Will you let me be held by you?
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Can we do this in reciprocity? And as I breathe, let me breathe
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with the elements. Let me breathe in the air.
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Let me feel the soil, let me experience the brightness, let
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me drink the water. And so it's the subtle but very
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powerful ways that we can just engage with the earth and with
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the breath, breathing in and out, bringing equal measure to
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the inhale and the exhale. These are very simple ways that
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we can remember how much older and wiser the earth is, how much
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older and wiser these original ancestors of the elements are.
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And then we can remember our place right here and now as one
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small and not insignificant, but small and important part of this
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larger narrative. So it kind of gives us that
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perspective shift that our FIR needs to just say, OK, I am not
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responsible for everything and everyone, we are all in this
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together, but let me do the best I can do for me and my own life
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or my community or my family. Then if we step it up a bit and
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say someone has a bit more experience, then maybe they are
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already working as some sort of practitioner, right?
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Let's say they're doing energy work or they're doing tarot or
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they're doing some sort of engagement with galactic energy.
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What are ways that we can channel, not only channel out
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tension that's in our bodies, but in in the on the soil too,
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and also channel back in light. So say someone who's doing light
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language or Reiki or something that's similar.
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It could look first like making space, right?
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So that somatic movement, ecstatic dance, singing out the
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tension and then it's bringing in and bringing back to the
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earth, back to the body because we want to always refill.
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We always want to backfill that space that's been made with
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light and not, it's not like a love light judgement against the
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dark. That's meaning light as in
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divine frequency of love and truth of 1's soul star essence
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and frequency. That's what we're backfilling
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with. So it's essentially saying
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backfilling with your soul, truth and frequency rather than
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external things that we find in the world around us.
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And then let's say there's someone who is very much
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affirmed in their field. They are a teacher, they are a
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guide. What community space can we
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hold? Whether it's, for example, with
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the keening, the Irish keen that I practice, is it doing the keen
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right? Getting into the headspace,
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getting with the Goddess and channeling, asking the earth
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what do you need to let go of. Or it could be sitting in
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ceremony in circle with community members and witnessing
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in their truth, their genuine, deep, unfelt, unheard whatevers,
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without any judgement, but with so much love and tenderness and
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appreciation. Right.
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Because that when we hold space for people to be who they are as
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they are without response, without fixing, without
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judgement, with just witnessing and compassion, that is
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tremendously healing. And that's not always easy.
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And I think anyone can do that, right?
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That could be a novice doing that for a friend.
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So I'm not trying to put value judgments on who can and cannot
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do things. But I think those are the ranges
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between something that's very subtle but beautiful and deep,
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and something that's a little bit bigger and heavier.
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And the reason I think I'd give that to those with more
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experience is because they know how to process that without
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taking it on. They know how to channel through
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and hold space without absorbing.
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So I think that's why I give that outness to that level.
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So true and powerful to get to that place where you no longer
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hold in. And I completely agree with your
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different kind of levels. Now that I am in the third phase
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of being a teacher, I had to learn that through my own
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journey, through my own traumatic practices of holding
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space, of being ceremonies, of going through that initiation
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path which we have been doing in ancient times.
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Right now. Kind of reconnecting a lot to
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ancient Egypt and Atlantis and remembering how we were going
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through these different temples in different schools where we've
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been taught how to be present in our body, how to connect to the
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universe, but also how to hold that frequency, that container
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for others as well. I just had my or photography
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done. I was at this Expo and I had
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this like white orb around my solar plexus.
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And the woman was like, this is in New Jersey.
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She sees all kinds of words. I guess she doesn't see
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practitioners as much. And she's whoa, like, Deanna,
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you really don't hold anything in your system.
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You just have this white orb. And I was like, yeah, I'm just
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like a recycling machine that just comes in and I burp it out
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and nothing stays. And I'm.
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And that's kind of my role. But those who step in into this
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work, and I'm having a quantum practitioner, of course, that
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beautiful beings finishing right up with me and I'm teaching them
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too, how as a super empire, you feel everything, but how not to
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get overwhelmed and at the same time know what's yours, what's
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not yours, and how to also release it out of the system.
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And I love your point about like connecting to to the mother,
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right? Like really allowing her to
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recycle that energy because I think she really knows how to
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recycle it better. But also ground in axles here in
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this reality. Because sometimes what I see,
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channelists tend to go really galactic, but they're not really
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here. They're not really embodied.
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And embodied sovereignty has been like a big topic that's
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been coming for me in the ether since January of this year.
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I talk about it a lot. What would you say about
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embodied sovereignty? What's your take on it?
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Oh wow, yes, I love the word sovereignty and I love the word
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embodiment. And I do think that they are
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also very sexy words. They are can get used in ways
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that don't go back to the original meaning.
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Embodiment is being in the body, right?
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Being fully present, being in the experience of whatever the
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vast array of emotions and sensations are to be human, to
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Incarnate in this life is to be embodied.
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And so when we go through our various traumas, pains, or
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conditioning, we start to shrink inside of ourselves or we start
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to disassociate and have soul loss.
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And that's where we stop being so embodied.
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And so the healing process is becoming more embodied, and
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embodied is truly just fully owning one's experience in the
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moment, being present and not judging.
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Am I feeling jealous right now? That's part of human experience,
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like it's going to happen, but not becoming defined by it and
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letting our behavior and choices be arriving from jealousy.
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That's that's moving out of that kind of honest human experience
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and staying embodied in one's truth and in one's intuitive
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soul presence. OK, But then moving into
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sovereignty, that really means to be of the land.
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And so sovereignty, when we think about it, especially in
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the Irish mythology, we have sovereignty goddesses.
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And so when you are with these goddesses, you are with the land
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like they are the land. The mounds are their breasts and
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their hips, and the water is their blood flowing, the trees
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their and the grass, their skin and hair, like they are the
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land. And so if we can remember what
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our ancestors knew, which is the land is divine, then we can
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remember that we ourselves are also elements of the divine.
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That if the divine is this one massive, conscious, gorgeous
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sphere, I don't know. I don't want to give it a shape
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because it's shapeless, right? But it's like a blanket, then we
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are all little tiny tendrils of the thread.
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And so to have sovereignty is to remember our divinity, but also
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to be embodied is to remember our humanity.
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And I think we really shouldn't try to have one without the
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other, because I think being just embodied is nothing wrong,
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right, with either of them separately.
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But being just embodied leaves us really in our arrows, really
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in our human and to be sovereign and be stuck with just our not
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stuck with. But to choose just our
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sovereignty is to step away from that humanity and really focus
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on just like the soul experience, the soul
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connections. But to be both together in what
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I call the soul self, the two together as one, which is what
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we are, soul and body. I think that is one of the most
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empowering experiences because it allows us to be fully engaged
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in the human life while also feeling vastly resourced and
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empowered by the wild, beautiful, unknown, and abundant
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divine. It's to be living in that sacred
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flow of feminine and masculine, of structure and devotion and
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discipline and intuition and expression and rest.
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It's to be all together. It's to be balanced.
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And I think the reason it's being called in so much right
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now, in addition to the need to heal and do our homework to help
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out, it's being called in because we haven't lived that
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balanced life. We haven't been taught the
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balance. Like we don't have our elders
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anymore showing us how to be a balanced self.
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And so if we step out of the whole of the kind of becoming
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tired conversation about patriarchy, and I don't mind
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having a conversation, but it's getting tired.
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Patriarchy versus matriarchy, it's both.
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It's both. And so if we can just have our
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healing work do it so we are not angry with the masculine.
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And I actually have a beautiful story I could share with you if
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that's OK. But that we're not angry with
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the masculine side, then we make space to really hold the
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feminine to feel safe within us. So saying it differently without
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burning out and pushing ourselves and being
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overproductive, then we really allow ourselves to feel that
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intuitive wise guidance because we're not using that intuition
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for overly structured behavior. We're using it to tend and
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nourish the self first so that we can show up as this embodied
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sovereign to be our most soul self-expression with those we
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love and care about in our daily life.
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So much there. I would love to hear your story
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about the masculine, the feminine, because I agree.
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And I feel we rebalancing that on many levels.
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And we know in the prophecy is that bird of humanity where one
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wing just got overdone in urine and the other wing clipped.
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And now we're coming to that place where this bird of
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humanity can soar. And I'm seeing that happening a
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lot with the priestesses. I get an awakened like they all
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rising and stepping into the truth and the embodiment and
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their power, which is so beautiful.
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And but it's fine line where the masculine is, where I'm seeing a
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little bit of disorientation where they like, what's my role
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now? Am I still the protection?
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There are these beautiful warriors with gentle hearts out
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there, of course, but it's like they also trying to find that
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way, and we as a feminine have to help them find that balance.
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So yeah, curious, what do you think about that?
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Yeah, so I and I hear you. A great responsibility for the
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awakening masculine, whether that's a person who is expresses
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as feminine or sorry, female, male, non binary.
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The awakening masculine can be about teaching because a lot of
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times people think teaching is feminine, but teaching is giving
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and it's sharing and that's a very give right side masculine
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young expression. It's the Shakti energy, the life
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force, the we yen, the intuition.
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That's that feminine flow. And so if the feminine is
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inspiring the masculine, like the women, the priestesses are
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awakening, then the priests, the warriors, the fathers, the
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elders, they can take that, do their inner work with whatever's
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being triggered to then see it as just love and truth as divine
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expression, right? Because divine is in, in my
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experience and practice, divine expresses through love and
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truth. That is the binary.
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And so if they can see that and hold that truth.
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And that love as a part of the balanced whole.
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Then they can then teach and unlearn share to unlearn the
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unwell masculine of the past and start to, to share a new way of
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being. So for me, when I started my
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practice, I there was a glaring omission in the deities that I
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worked with. And it was mostly women, a
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female presenting deities, right?
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And I finally got to a point where I had to, part of my
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healing journey was healing my history with sexual assault.
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And amidst that, not amidst that, I guess after that I
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started to see more masculine presenting deities showing up in
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more divine frequencies. If you don't see them
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personified, that's fine showing up.
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And but I still had such a resistance to Jesus.
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I was like, I'm a Pagan and I can't work with you.
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That's in Chrome grous or whatever.
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And I just sorry for the big word there.
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It just doesn't work. And then when I started my
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keening work, I learned so much from the goddesses and all of a
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sudden I went in to do a journey and keen for my ancestors and I
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kept looking for the women and all I saw were the men.
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And I thought to myself, Oh no, what's this?
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And they all came up to me and they circled me and they were
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like, we are suffering we. And so I breathed with them and
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I started keening for them. And what I witnessed in their
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stories was these were fathers who just wanted to love their
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daughters and their sons and their wives and their friends,
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and they just wanted to till the land and garden.
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But they were sent to war, and if they didn't fight, they would
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be killed in front of their family.
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And these were boys who just wanted to play and chase
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butterflies and paint and bake with their mothers or the
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nannies or whomever. But they weren't allowed to
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because they had to be scholars or they had to be warriors.
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And it was. It's this truth that we all have
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in our bones. Just as much as we have our
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grandmother's strength, we also have our grandfather's
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tenderness. And so I keened so hard with
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them. And keening is this beautiful
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Irish ritual of grief tending and grief release where it's for
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me, it's very vocal, moving, lots of semantics.
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Some people it's completely silent, but that I had space for
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them in my heart. And that then shifted my
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practice. And then that then led to me
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having a really beautiful reconciliation with Christ
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consciousness and Jesus. And so that kind of honestly
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being open to feeling my male ancestors truths and loving and
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witnessing them allowed me to come back into balance in myself
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and harmony in myself, not only in my body but in my practice.
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So beautiful. And you started explaining.
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That was one of my questions. What is keening?
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So it's a grief practice. And you said sometimes it's done
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vocally, sometimes not vocally. How is this something that was
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practiced in your ancestral line?
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How did you connect to it? How did it come into your life?
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So I backing up just very quickly to give us some context.
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So I had done shamanic apprenticeships in Egyptian
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mysteries. Then I did core shamanism, which
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for those who don't know, it's basically taking all the
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shamanic practices from around the world, finding their little
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Venn diagram overlaps and taking that central part, the core
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parts. And that is the practice that we
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learn from. So not appropriating any sort of
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culture or time, but seeing the synchronicities across the time
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and globe. So I did my time with core
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shamanism and then I found myself needing more and I didn't
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know what it was and so I sat with it and realized I wanted to
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pursue the path of my ancestors. And so I've Scott's Irish
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history in the ancestry. So I pursued that and after I
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think 2 apprenticeships, I was called to the next thing, which
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was the thing, the keening. We were in a journey and then
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she was like, OK, the goddess is coming up and cool you hear or
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see or feel because we all have different psychic gifts, right?
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He's the one who's called you this work.
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And I was like, OK, it's going to be Bridget.
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And it's she's spring and she's happy and she's a water and fire
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and I want it to be. Easy, of course, wasn't.
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And then I just heard in my left ear from behind five and I was
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like Oh no, Oh no, I know that name.
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Oh no Fido, Oh no. And so then I went.
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I looked at my book like almost knowing.
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And I find her. And Bive is the hooded, cloaked
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elder keening woman. She is the one who cries in
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Wales. She's associated with a banshee.
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She is the one who foretells of the death of a loved one, or
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your death if you are on your way and you see her washing
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bloody clothes in the Ford. She is faint with stringy white
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hair and her lips are cracked from crying and wailing.
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And she just, she's, she just wanders.
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And as she cries, she helps to bring those lost souls or the
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newly separated souls to the other side to finish their
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transition. And she is 1/3 of the Moriggan
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or the Morgan. And so the Morgan is the goddess
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of death. Morgan represents the
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sovereignty and prophecy. Maha.
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Her other third part is sacred rage and maternal flame and fire
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and horse. And then you have 5 who's the
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scary old lady? Which he would laugh at.
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And I was afraid of her. I was afraid.
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But what I was afraid of was the tremendous amount of love and
25:59
power she held, that in the face of something so absolute and so
26:05
uncertain and scary for many there could be genuine love and
26:10
trust. And so it took me about nine
26:13
months of working in that apprenticeship to get to the
26:16
point where I really opened up to embodying her energy as it
26:20
channels through. When I hold a keen, and so a
26:24
keen in the way I do it is much more shamanic than its
26:27
traditional nature. A keen, just like any community
26:31
practice across time and history, or sorry I should say
26:34
time and place. They're usually you have
26:36
indigenous communities that had some sort of grief ritual, a
26:39
practice that would happen as someone died or at their funeral
26:43
or wake. So in Ireland you would have
26:46
these Mona Keensha women, Keeners, Criers Keensha, and
26:50
they would come wearing all black with their black veils and
26:53
they would be very performative. Oh, sure, no Mandy.
26:56
Oh, what a good boy he was. Oh Lord, take him.
27:00
That was actually a decent accent and I'm not usually.
27:03
It's. That's not good.
27:04
South, Southern and IT. Didn't.
27:08
Happen. They're very performative, and
27:09
they're wailing and crying and releasing of their own laments
27:14
and mournful sounds in song. And then in doing so, they would
27:19
evoke the collective grief from those at the wake.
27:22
And those people would moan and wail and cry themselves.
27:26
And then after that three day period, sorry, three day period,
27:29
people would go and they would be cleansed.
27:31
They would be like, OK, we grieved.
27:33
We saw, you know, Sean O'Malley. On his way.
27:36
To God, to heaven, to Tyrannog, to wherever, right to his
27:41
lights. And so that practice was largely
27:46
banned by the church a few 100 years ago, but it was still
27:49
practiced in small communities. And the last proper banquinta
27:53
was recorded in I think in the 1940s, nineteen 60s, somewhere
27:57
in there. And so there's echoes of my
27:59
grandmother heard of this once. Oh, I.
28:02
And so now it's resurging as this collective consciousness is
28:05
rising. There are these Irish
28:06
practitioners who are starting to teach keening.
28:09
And so I'm really honored to have learned from one of those
28:11
few who teaches it less as a singing and more as a shamanic
28:17
healing. And the way it works is it's a
28:20
mix of breath, movement, sound, and permission.
28:26
And then as I channel Bive or aspects of the Marie again, it
28:31
holds the container of that death and of that love that
28:36
allows the individual to just let go.
28:41
And as they do, what is happening is the Goddess is
28:45
bringing them right back to their inner wild one.
28:48
And the inner wild one is typically so buried under all
28:52
the things, right? What we are keening, what we are
28:55
grieving is how much shit got packed on top.
28:59
And so we process and feel and release all of that stuff so
29:04
that it comes to its natural kind of completion.
29:07
So for some people, it is wailing and screaming and
29:10
chanting, swaying and moaning and groaning.
29:13
I mean it. No wonder people were called
29:16
witches and were terrifying. It's scary looking stuff, but
29:20
it's actually the most incredible.
29:22
It is the most incredible situation I've ever been present
29:26
to witness. I love it, I'm obsessed with it.
29:28
And then sometimes people are just still because in a life
29:32
where they are always reacting, their version of resistance or
29:36
rebellion is stillness. And so they, the individual
29:40
expresses as they need, and then as the king quiets down, they're
29:45
in the sacred liminality. This in between with Bive, with
29:49
the Goddess, and with their inner wildness.
29:52
And that is something we can never Unsee or unknown.
29:56
And so like a true psychedelic experience, though this is
29:58
without any sort of plant medicine.
30:00
It's again just breath, movement, sound and permission.
30:03
Once we know that it, it changes everything and for the better
30:08
because it gets, it tells, it calls the task to get rid of the
30:11
things that don't serve us, that weren't ever serving us.
30:15
And it calls in the frequencies and lifestyle and opportunities
30:19
that align with who we are evolving into.
30:22
Honestly never heard of Kenyan before until Martha.
30:25
You just brought that and when you and I were just talking
30:28
about like the topic for today and I was feeling grief energy
30:32
that on a personal level just really interesting.
30:35
It just came up recently. Someone, one of my students
30:39
actually had a transmission and she felt like she had key codes
30:43
from me from ancient Egypt timeline.
30:48
So basically what I'm understanding now that we also
30:52
went into this descent in the last 12, actually the number I
30:57
got was 20,000 years when I shared those codes with her is
31:01
and there was a moment where she got the transmission.
31:05
She's supposed to give them back to me.
31:06
And then the whole group was present and witnessing.
31:09
And as I was integrating this, what came out, which was really
31:15
unexpected from me after the call later on on my own when I
31:18
was with my husband, I started wailing and, and and bringing a
31:23
lot of light language and I wanted to create a somatic
31:26
kundalini experience with that as well.
31:29
Different parts of my body were like activated through it and
31:32
like I had to like that was integration that needed because
31:36
I think with that there was some sort of release of energy of
31:41
this 20,000 years. The last when I started seeing
31:45
that lifetime in ancient Egypt when I gave her those codes and
31:50
the priesthood. And I think the energy that we
31:52
held and it was that moment of choice that we made and we knew
31:57
we were going to go into this time of darkness.
32:00
And many of us were witches burn on the stake.
32:03
Like I know I have been happy a lifetime doing some of these
32:06
practices. Maybe not this one particularly,
32:09
definitely tinctures and all of that other stuff.
32:12
And here we are coming out of it.
32:14
And I was just actually sharing this week with some of my
32:16
friends. I was like, wow, I didn't expect
32:19
the grief. Like, I like, where was that
32:22
coming from? Grief that I did not even know.
32:24
But it was, it felt like personal but also very much
32:28
collective grief. And yeah, I wish we had these
32:31
practices where we could release, where we could
32:34
reconnect and and that's like soul expression, right?
32:38
Allowing the sound to come out because that's really how we
32:41
process energy. And as we hold back and maybe
32:45
sometimes we need to hold back and just stay with it and just
32:48
even recognizing that it's there and we don't give ourself
32:51
permission to fully do that. So I want to share that
32:55
experience because it was very unexpected, I guess for me, very
32:58
new, the whole process, but also I felt lighter after.
33:02
I felt like it needed to happen. Yeah, yeah.
33:07
And I think that's so beautiful that you went with it rather
33:10
than this is weird. I shouldn't, of course, you
33:12
wouldn't have done that anyway. But I think it's beautiful that
33:15
you did roll with it. Because to your point, yeah,
33:18
that's 20,000 years of wisdom and esoterisms that were buried
33:23
and now you found them. You found not only this
33:26
information, these light language, whatever frequencies
33:29
that was, but you were able to bring them back to life.
33:33
And that's a huge part of Keening is that it's not just
33:35
about the death, It is embracing the death as we embrace winter
33:39
every year because the earth needs it.
33:42
We need the death to become the fertile material that then feeds
33:48
the soil so that in the spring, bulbs have food to regrow and
33:52
plants can go anew so that life can come back.
33:56
And it's, I think it's beautiful to to understand grief as a
34:01
necessary ally in order to become.
34:06
And what I like to remind people, especially the people
34:10
who I work with in Keening sessions, is that we're not
34:14
going through the death process to become someone different.
34:17
We are going through it and making space so that we can
34:20
become more ourselves, the ancient one that lives deep
34:24
within that soul expression, so we can become more of that than
34:28
ever before. It's incredibly powerful and
34:32
empowering. Yeah, absolutely.
34:35
I talk about all the time, but maybe with different language.
34:38
But I think you and I are talking about the same thing.
34:41
I always say it's like and peeling the onion, it's like
34:44
removing those layers and then we get to the essence and the
34:47
essence is an ancient soul that is beyond the earth, beyond even
34:53
this Galaxy from another universe and universes and very
34:58
much connected to the cosmic weather, right?
35:01
And so there there is that reclamation of the aspects of
35:05
ourselves and who we are. And so as we remove these layers
35:09
and we grieve and we burn them through, I like the concept of
35:13
the Phoenix awakening, the Phoenix within.
35:15
That's kind of part of the part of my book.
35:17
It's like the same idea, right? It's like going into the fire
35:21
and transmuting. And this new version is that you
35:25
were talking about, that's becoming the version that is
35:28
stronger, more resilient, and keeps on getting stronger and
35:32
more resilient in its next iteration, its next iteration.
35:37
And but we have to also reflect back and be grateful for all
35:41
these aspects. So all these experiences.
35:44
And I think that's it sounds like part of the keying process
35:47
where you like acknowledging the journey too because the journey
35:51
also. Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.
35:55
And I think that's a huge part of the healing process is we
35:58
talk about in psychology, it's about acceptance, right?
36:01
It doesn't mean like we just accept the past, but it's about
36:04
giving the mental body the narrative that says we went
36:09
through this and part of the death process is going back and
36:12
re parenting in some fashion. So it is revisiting the journey
36:16
to express and feel, but also to say to those younger versions of
36:20
ourselves, hey, I see you. I see the context of everything
36:24
with fresh eyes and I can explain to you why this happened
36:28
or why this didn't happen or who, how you how this just to
36:33
make sense of it. And I think that's a huge part
36:36
of the healing as especially as modern humans is that we know so
36:41
much. So why not the journey as a part
36:43
of that healing rather than just letting it be solely somatic or
36:47
energetic. And and to your point about the
36:51
phoenix, I yes, absolutely. And this is what I love about
36:55
core shamanism and as well, just this beautiful integration of
36:59
the divine and spirit and universal energy within our
37:03
human is that the answers are right here.
37:06
We see it every year from spring to winter for the phoenix in
37:10
that metaphor, death to rebirth. We sometimes the most sacred
37:16
esoteric concepts are actually very similar.
37:19
Sorry, simple. And it's simple because we don't
37:23
need to overcomplicate. We just need to listen and
37:26
remember. And I think that's part of the
37:29
challenge of being human is that we are given so much
37:33
information, so much access, so much creativity, and it's
37:38
awesome. I'm not maligning any of it.
37:41
I maligned some of it, but the modern life.
37:44
But that's a personal thing. It's being, it's the challenge
37:47
is being given this buffet of experience and then saying, can
37:53
you remember to listen to the heart, to the intuition, to the
37:58
Earth, to the cosmos and be guided that way rather than
38:02
being distracted by all this stuff?
38:06
It is, it's, it's that simple. But it's not easy.
38:09
Yeah, not. Easy.
38:10
Absolutely. Right.
38:11
Like, how do we listen? I talk about it all the time.
38:14
The noise is real and it keeps on getting louder and louder and
38:19
how do we tune it out and being more conscious on what we're
38:23
digesting, right? Like the information we digest
38:26
in the food we digest in how do we recalibrate ourselves?
38:29
So even if we're living in concrete jungles, like, you
38:33
know, on the weekend, going on to nature for hike or whatever
38:36
is necessary to bring yourself back to remembrance and create
38:40
enough spaces to remember. Because otherwise, just like
38:44
you're running on the rat race and then you get sick and then
38:48
you get surprised. Why?
38:49
Like, why am I out of balance? Back to balance.
38:53
And well, you really can't allow yourself to be in balance.
38:57
You didn't take those breaks. You didn't listen up to
39:00
yourself, to your body because it's all there.
39:02
Like disease too is like the last manifestation of lack of
39:07
ease. And it happens within the energy
39:09
system, within the thoughts and ideas.
39:13
And so I do see people are starting to realize that I think
39:16
especially with COVID, definitely like more people went
39:20
indoors and now a lot of new channelers were reborn in the
39:26
last five years because they've list started listening and then
39:29
realized, oh wow, I'm this and that and I get to connect.
39:33
But there are still that population that does not want to
39:36
listen and they really comfortable in, you know, being
39:41
in that matrix, so to speak to reality.
39:44
So from that perspective, I guess from all these ancient
39:48
traditions, how can someone be compassionate, let's say,
39:52
because I'm seeing in many of those who are waking up, they
39:56
have a hard time with their families and not being able to
40:00
be seen by them when accepted by them as as truly are place what?
40:09
That's yeah, absolutely the first.
40:11
I just want to take a breath and see what wants to come through
40:13
to answer that because I think that is a very true and real and
40:18
complicated experience that many of us experience.
40:21
And so I want to answer it. Well, I read a quote once and
40:34
I'm not going to say it exactly, so I'm paraphrasing, but it was
40:37
like I celebrate my mother for breaking some of the rules that
40:45
she was taught, but she didn't break all of them.
40:48
So it was like I she didn't break all the rules, but she
40:49
broke some and that got me here. I think when we are awakening,
40:56
it's there's such a joy, there's such a delight of being like I
41:01
feel amazing. I remember I feel like I belong
41:05
to something. I went so long feeling lost or
41:08
separate or weird. Definitely got a lot of names
41:11
when I was growing up and it's wonderful.
41:15
But then we have this desire to scream it from the rooftop and
41:18
be accepted as we are, and not everyone has the capacity to do
41:23
that. So when we are faced with people
41:26
we love who cannot accept or understand and don't want to
41:30
understand, we start talking about something and they get up
41:35
and walk away. It's incredibly disrespectful,
41:38
but if we remember, if we go back to the ancients, if we go
41:42
back to the truth that everyone's doing the best they
41:45
can in the moment they're in with the tools that they have.
41:49
It's not that they are disrespecting us or you,
41:52
listener, It's that they don't know how to be any different.
41:59
And by you coming online and showing up with more and
42:04
different, it calls them to task.
42:06
It calls them to say, oh, I don't know about this and they
42:12
have a choice. Do I get curious and ask
42:15
questions and open my mind or do I default to what I know?
42:19
To your point, going into the matrix and get and just avoid it
42:23
because I'm not prepared. It's either not the right time,
42:27
I don't have the right resources in my life to make me feel safe
42:31
to then do the inner work that this is calling me to face, or
42:36
I'm just afraid and I'm going to let fear win.
42:39
For whatever their reasons. It's personal to them.
42:43
It's not personal to you. It feels it because it's
42:48
socially rude and uncomfortable. And in a world we are told
42:53
family first blood is thicker than water, we are in the
42:57
generation of unlearning that conditioned belief.
43:02
And it's hard and it's emotional.
43:04
And we all deep down are just kids who want to feel safe with
43:08
the caregivers that we have. But if we can know that and we
43:13
can say, OK, they're doing the best they can, it's not on them,
43:17
then we get to then make our own choice.
43:19
We get to make our sovereign choice.
43:22
Do we make space to let them just be as they are and realize
43:25
this is not the area or the Ave. where I get to be my sacred,
43:30
wild and wonderfully weird self? And I can do that with these
43:34
other people who are like soul family.
43:37
I get to be weird with them and be socially normal with these
43:42
other people. And I know that I, I say, oh, I
43:45
get to be my spiritual self with this person, my human self with
43:48
this other person. In truth, I'm always the same
43:50
person, but sometimes one voice just shines a little bit more.
43:54
And I've come to get to the point where I appreciate my
43:57
human groups because it allows me just to take my take a little
44:01
break. I'm not channeling, I'm not
44:03
listening compassionately. I can skip over things that are
44:07
important details because the other individual doesn't really
44:09
want to talk about them. So instead of being like, Oh my
44:11
gosh, that's really hard. Let me hold space for you.
44:13
It's just, oh man, that does stink anyway.
44:17
And it gives me that space to just be my little human self.
44:20
And that's OK because that's actually what they want.
44:22
And it I have found ways to appreciate that for me, but it
44:27
does give us that sovereign choice of how do we want to show
44:30
up? How do we want to engage with
44:32
this person? Or do we let this person or
44:34
people go? And I know it's hard to let
44:37
family go. And so I don't necessarily
44:39
advocate that everyone just says pack in my bags, middle finger,
44:42
I'll see you later. But for some people to engage
44:47
who they are becoming to be safe in that evolution, they do have
44:51
to do that. And I know that spirit will
44:55
always bring someone, some people, some things to come back
45:00
and backfill that space because when you move the ocean, water
45:05
comes up behind it. It's just, it's just a universal
45:09
law. And so that opening is there.
45:12
And as long as you hold it with patience and love for the self,
45:16
Spirit will bring you, the individuals, the collective, the
45:20
situation that you need to fill that up and to feel good.
45:25
You really spoke beautifully about that.
45:27
And then it does go back to safety.
45:29
And that's a human condition. And of course, we still are
45:33
humans. And so we still operate with
45:36
these limited containers of our experiences.
45:41
But I agree with you. Sometimes we have to disconnect
45:45
completely, let them go. And those are hard choices.
45:48
And but this journey of reclamation, of awakening is a
45:52
solid journey. We are born alone with that
45:55
alone. And it's really the soul that is
45:58
learning how to become. And so beautifully said Martha,
46:03
what's best way someone is interested to work with you?
46:06
What's the best way to contact you?
46:10
Yeah, thank you. Oh, I just thought of one more
46:12
thing. Can I add as a little?
46:13
Attention to. The last thing, which is
46:15
sometimes walking away is the very thing that other individual
46:19
needs to then catalyze their healing journey.
46:22
And so walking away doesn't always mean gone forever, it
46:25
just means gone forever and it may come back together in a new
46:28
way later. So I'll just add that in there
46:30
'cause that has happened to me and I know or for me rather.
46:33
And I know that can happen for others as well.
46:35
OK, so not all is lost. Thank you for the invitation.
46:38
I would love for people to reach out on me, on me, to me on my
46:42
website, which is Martha MARTHAMW as in Martha Medicine
46:48
Woman. So Martha mw.com they can join
46:51
my e-mail list. I send out like 4 or 6 emails a
46:53
year. I'm also on Instagram under
46:56
Martha medicine woman all spelled out and just send me a
47:00
little note on Instagram on LinkedIn.
47:03
I don't even know what my name is on there.
47:05
It's just Martha Wright and on my website and I'm just I'm
47:08
incredibly chill and real and informal.
47:12
So if there is ever a desire to reach out, please don't let
47:15
anything hold you back. Amazing.
47:18
And I'm going to put the all the links in in the description to
47:22
this episode. And Martha, as we wrap up, what
47:25
would you be your final message to the audience as we talked
47:30
about grief on everything? What do you want everyone to
47:33
leave with? Love and honor yourself because
47:45
not in that in in a totally selfish way, it's actually
47:48
selfless when we honor those intuitive callings from the
47:52
body, whether it's to feel something and release it or to
47:56
try something new, to do something different, just loving
48:02
and honoring yourself is going to bring you joy.
48:04
So follow the intuition and be good to you, because that's how
48:09
we can always show up our best selves, as if we start by loving
48:12
and nurturing, nurturing ourselves.
48:15
So true loving yourself. So go out there, do something
48:20
really loving for yourself today, you know, buy yourself
48:25
that something that you wanted or just take that space for
48:29
yourself to tune out the noise. Maybe go for a hike, really
48:32
nourish yourself, do that salt bath, whatever that looks like
48:36
for you. Bring another practice into the
48:38
day. Because embodiment is through
48:40
building practices that allow that space to connect, to be who
48:45
you are without judgement, right?
48:47
So building that inner landscape, while external, is
48:51
also nice and peaceful and relaxed.
48:54
Beautiful. Thank you, Martha, for being in
48:57
some communication and thank you everyone for tuning in.
49:01
And stay tuned for our next episode.
49:03
Thank you for tuning in to this episode.
49:06
You can visit my website, dianadivine.com.
49:08
I'm Diana Divine. I keep connecting with your
49:11
higher self.