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Pt 1: BYU vs Utah Holy War History: Who Owns the Rivalry? · Between Two Generations: A Father-Son Sportscast

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to Between Two Generations, a father's son sports podcast, because raising a son is tough.
• 0:07
  SPEAKER_03: But debating sports is free.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: Now that's even tougher.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: All right, welcome back to Between Two Generations.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all, we are so hyped for this week's episodes.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do a couple of them because this Saturday morning, Brigham, what is happening?
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_02: The freaking holy war, baby.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_02: Holy war is bad.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: 45 miles of I-15 separate these two universities, 130 years of bad blood, two fan bases who can't even agree on how many times they've played each other.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_02: And this Saturday, for the first time ever, bro, both top 10.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_02: Both teams ranked in the top 10.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_02: This is holy war.
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  SPEAKER_02: Let's get it.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: There's a bear on the loose and promo.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Botfire is a touchdown.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, guys, so this episode, we're we're we're mainly gonna be breaking this down into two episodes this week.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: The first episode, we are gonna be diving into the to the the lore of the rivalry, the history between the the uh the holy war, and then our second episode.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_02: We are gonna get more into the the deep game analysis.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: What BYU's gotta do to win, what Utah's strengths are, those kinds of things.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_02: But listen, I'm the guy, I'm the dad who remembers Lavelle Edwards, the legend.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: And Briggs grew up watching Bear Bachmeyer, Jaron Hall, Zach Wilson, and those legends.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_02: All right, we grew up on the same couch, the same team, two completely different memories of the same rivalry.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_02: So let's dive right into part one of our two-part holy war special.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_02: Today is about the history.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, so Briggs, this is what's on our docket today.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: All right, first we're gonna answer the big question: who actually owns the Holy War?
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_02: The answer depends pretty much entirely on what year you start counting, right?
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get into that.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, we're gonna talk about the greatness gauntlet 12 categories, one scoreboard, BYU versus Utah, all time.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_02: Next, we're getting into the Holy War fact or fiction.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody's likely getting embarrassed, and it's likely the Utah Youths.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because they're stupid.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_02: Then we're gonna hit you guys with the tale of two college game days.
• 2:35
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all remember Pat McAfee and the crew came both to Provo this year and to the University of Utah.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_02: What did that look like, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_02: It is completely different, and it was wild.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna we're gonna sneak in a story about Sione Moa between two hearts.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: This is mom's favorite part.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's a two-minute tear jerker story about BYU running back Siona Moa.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_02: And then we're gonna close out today's episode with the rivalry courtroom.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_02: This is where we settled the greatest team, the greatest era, and whether Utah even has a top five player in this rivalry of all time.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_02: Briggs, you ready to get it?
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, let's do it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Cue the music, let's roll.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: All right, now if you talk to the Utah Youths, they're gonna say that they own the history of the Holy War.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: But y'all, just like me and Briggs love to do, we're gonna peel back the actual stats because the real stats, once you know in full context, it tells a completely different story.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: So for those that did not know, you now are gonna be equipped with just completely figuratively and metaphorically given your Utah youth fan or family member a backhand when it comes to stats, because they're gonna drop something like Utah owns the series all the time with 69 wins to BYU's 50.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: And y'all, that is complete nonsense.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know why?
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_02: The history of the schools matter.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, Briggs, at the early, early years in the late 1800s, up until about what, 1960, 1970.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: What type of college was BYU really?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this uh more, I'd say I'd just guess more of an academic college than the uh college I really carried about sports.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Could you even really call it a college at that point?
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_03: You can't really call college sports competitive like until the 60s.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, it was more like a high school back then.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so, congratulations, Utah, the established big-time university.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: You guys whooped up on little old Provo BYU high school back in the day.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_02: But Briggs, hit him with the real stats.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: Briggs, when does this rivalry actually begin?
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: For sure, when Lavelle Edwards gets there.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're talking mid-1970s.
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  SPEAKER_02: Since then, it is heavily, heavily tilted towards BYU's favor.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: So BYU fans, take a little nugget right here.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_02: The Lavelle Edwards, his winning record was like, oh gosh, 19-2 for the longest time.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Went for the longest record overall since Lavelle Edwards took over, BYU leads at 29 to 21.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_02: So we own you guys, Utah.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: You guys suck.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_03: So we own you, and and plus, who is on the current three-game winning streak?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_03: Us, baby.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I've ever seen a lose like actually when I've cared about football in my life, for sure.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, okay, yeah, let's let's talk about that.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, really, the last time uh Utah won was 2019.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: So, what was what had not happened yet?
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, the last time the Utah youth won.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, COVID pandemic had not yet happened yet.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_02: What else?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_04: Joe Burrow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Joe Burrus.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: Joe Burrow wasn't yet dominating.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, let's see.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Also, we've got Taylor Swift new Eras tour that hadn't happened yet.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: All this crazy stuff.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_03: So why the heck did you man Taylor Swift?
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Why why on all the things you could have said, you chose Taylor Swift?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm just putting it in context.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_02: Taylor Swift's Eras tour was like forever ago.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_02: She's a has been at this point, right?
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, she's a her only glory was showing up with Patrick Mahomes.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just saying, it's been a while since Utah's won.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: BYU owns this rivalry.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, Utah the last time they won was in 2019.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: 2019.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, y'all suck.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
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  SPEAKER_02: Give it to him, Briggs.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_02: Give it to him, right?
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  SPEAKER_02: So 1972, again, that's the year LaBelle Edwards shows up in Provo.
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  SPEAKER_02: And since then, BYU leads 29 and 21.
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  SPEAKER_02: The official stat of the LaBelle Edwards era, 1972 to 1992, BYU went 19 and 2.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_02: And before all you Utah say that, hey, you know, BYU just lives in the past with our 1984 national championship.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: Utah has zero.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, y'all haven't won anything.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_02: The only thing they talk about is that time in 2008 when they beat Nick Sabin's beginning year Alabama team in the Sugar Bowl.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, good job.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_04: You guys are so cool.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: Living in the past, dude.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_04: You guys are so freaking cool.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_04: I literally can't.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, y'all are so freaking cool.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, the best year was when he didn't win.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: Get on Briggs, Jim.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: Get on Briggs.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so now, now that both schools are in the same conference, which makes a big deal, for the longest time during the Kyle Whittingham area in the 2010s when they beat us and they had nine wins in a row, they were in the Pac-12 and BYU was independent.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So not exactly the same type of playing field, but now toss all the excuses out the window.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're both in the Big 12.
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  SPEAKER_02: Since we've been in the Big 12, BYU is that hit him.
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  SPEAKER_02: Hit him with it.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: 2-0, buddy.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, what you guys is best when Houston.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_03: I know y'all haven't lost, but y'all almost lost to freaking Colorado.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I know y'all could say we almost lost to Arizona State, but I mean it's how we play.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like y'all are like y'all are more explosive, like crazy offense.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_03: We're more of a composed chill and just beat him in the dagger kind of team.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like throw out the knockout punch kind of team.
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  SPEAKER_03: Like we're not out here trying to dominate.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: We're just out here trying to throw out the knockout punch when we need to.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: Just to let y'all know.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_03: But I love it.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Let's hit this home field twist real quick.
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  SPEAKER_02: So one more stat.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: Uh, because it's it's kind of the one that worries me about this Saturday.
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  SPEAKER_02: So since 2000, BYU is three and seven, three wins, seven losses at Rice Eccles University of Utah Stadium.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but here's the flip side.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but last time we won last time in 2024, we're gonna be able to do that.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: We did.
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  SPEAKER_02: We beat him.
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  SPEAKER_02: We beat him.
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  SPEAKER_02: The field goal.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, but here's the flip side over that same stretch.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_03: Y'all are ranked number three.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: Holy crap.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think they're way overrated.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all are like y'all, y'all's best win was Houston.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: Their strength of schedule, I think, is is ranked at number 58.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: BYU's is 34.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: So they're undefeated.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: Give it to them.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: And they're ranked number three.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_02: I would take a two, I would take Texas, a two loss SEC team, over an undefeated Utah team with that schedule.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: Texas would dominate Utah.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: They absolutely would dominate Utah.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but the flip side, so that same stretch, Utah is is actually six and five in Provo over that time.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: So that one hurts.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Makes me a little okay.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta give it to you, you'd fans.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna be we're gonna be fair on this show, even though you guys are still terrible.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: But uh but I'm not gonna be fair to them.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_03: They they had more money than us.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I know that's a stupid excuse, but hey, it's the truth.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: I mean Well, so we're gonna we're actually gonna dive into the NIL.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_02: So now that BYU is actually starting to make a huge run on the NIL, the past like a couple years though, buddy, we actually have more money.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, and we're dominating, so exactly, exactly.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: Boom.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: So the verdict.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_02: So who owns the holy war?
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's obvious.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: If you're a Ute, you own the all-time record, but there's a huge asterisk.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations if you want to brag about beating a little high school, which I I have the decency, I would never do that.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: So if I'm a Ute fan, you clearly have to give the nod to BYU.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: You have to.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_02: You have to.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you know, Ute fans, you know we're right.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_03: Freaking hate Utah.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know who I like more.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know who I dislike more, Patrick Mahomes or Utah.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, for you, that's a bold statement, dude.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's still gonna be Patrick Mahomes, honestly.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think you hate Patrick Mahomes more than you?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_03: I hate Patrick Mahomes.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_02: But this is rivalry week.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: We don't even like putting red ketchup on anything this week.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like we are anti-red.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_03: We're anti-anything.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, we're not doing red apples.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: We're not doing red.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_02: Patrick Mahomes is red, so we definitely don't have a Mahomes.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_03: Red is the worst colored.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_02: It is the worst color.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all's mask card is a ute.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of a good thing.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's not even a ute, it's like a bird.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: A ute is is like a Native American.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: They don't even do that.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: They just do a bird.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, all right.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: So fire.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: We own the rivalry.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Let's go.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_02: All right, next segment.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_02: So records only tell you who won the games, but they don't tell you who actually built the better programs.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_02: We're talking national titles, hall of famers, first round picks.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_02: So here, me and Briggs are gonna go through 12 categories, but we're gonna highlight one scoreboard.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: So it's time for dun dun dun, the greatness gauntlet is what we're calling this next segment.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: So here we go.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: Category number one, national championships.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_02: This one's obvious.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_02: BYU's won 1984 is when we won it.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_02: We were 13 and zero.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_02: The whole country had to recognize it.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_02: It was undisputed, it was beautiful.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: Utah Briggs, how many national titles does Utah have?
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_02: Big fat zero.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_02: Zero.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_02: The youths, um, the youths have a little claim on an argument.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_02: This is what they would say.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: Because in 2008, they also went undefeated.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_02: They beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, and that was Nick one of Nick Saban's beginning years at Bama.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and they they ended up finishing number two in the overall ranking, so that's the highest they've ever ranked in school history in 2008.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Talk about living in the past.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: Edge BYU, yeah?
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: BYU.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Next category: Heisman Trophy winners.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_02: BYU, here we go.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Here's who we got.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_02: Ty Demmer, 1990.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_02: Utah.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_02: How many Heisman's Zero.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: Zero Edge BYU.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Although Alex Smith was a finalist in 2004, he finished number four.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: But let's move to our next category.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_02: Top three Heisman finishes.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: So these are people that may not have won, but they were released in the top three.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_02: How many does BYU have?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: Seven.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Seven.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: This one's not even close.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_02: Steve Young was a runner-up.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_02: Mark Wilson, Jim McMahon, Robbie Bosco twice.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_02: And Ty Detmer, big man on campus, actually finished third another year.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: So he won it and finished third.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know that?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, obviously Deborah won it.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_02: So edge to this one is BYU.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're two and oh already.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_02: We're three and oh on all these three categories so far.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh for you Utah fans out there, you Ute, y'all are uh y'all y'all are not looking so good.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: Category four College Football Hall of Fame.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_02: BYU has seven Gifford Nielsen, Mark Wilson, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Gordon Hudson, Ty Detmer, and Mr.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_02: the Legend himself, Lavelle Edwards.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_02: Utah?
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: Who's a Utah guy, buddy?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: No one.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so Alex Smith went in actually in 2024.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: He would just win.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_02: So he was the first Utah player ever in the world.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_03: So it doesn't count.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: He has a stupid name.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: And that's why I love talking sports.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_03: Your guys' logo is literally two U's stacked against each other.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's so lame.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_03: So lame.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: Edge.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: BYU.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: Y'all are located in Salt Lake City.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's even worse.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_02: Even worse.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_02: Come south to Utah County.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's better.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody knows this.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, category five.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_02: Pro football hall of fame.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_02: So BYU's got Steve Young, Super Bowl MVP, I might add.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: Utah's got Larry Wilson.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_02: He's a legendary Cardinals safety.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_02: Safety.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's it.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: So technically, it's a tie.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we got two Warren.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: Why Fred Warner's gonna be 100% gonna be a Hall of Famer.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_03: I actually put in two for BYU.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I always say we say Fred Warner for sure is gonna be a Hall of Famer.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely on his way, still young career.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: But if we're just looking at Steve Young versus Larry Wilson, I bet you everybody listening to this, outside of maybe some diehard ute fans, is probably looking up who Larry Wilson even is.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know, but Steve Young, everybody knows.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_02: So in a way you could say this is uh this is a tie, but nope, BYU wins this one too.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: Category six.
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_02: How many number one overall draft picks?
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_02: Utah, Alex Smith, number one overall.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_02: He did back in 2005.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_02: BYU's closest was actually Zach Wilson in 2021.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_02: He went number two.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna be honest, Utah's got the edge.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: They're the only one that has a number one overall draft pick.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 14:13
  SPEAKER_02: All right, Ute's point on the board for you.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_02: Congratulations.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_02: However, here we go.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: Category seven, number of overall first round NFL draft picks.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this spring, Utah had two first rounders in the same draft for the first time ever.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_02: Congrats, Utah.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_02: It was Spencer Fano at number nine and Caleb Lomu at number 28.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_02: So that gets Utah to 12.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_02: BYU's count is also 12.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_02: Technically, it's a tie.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Category eight.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_02: Total NFL draft picks.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_02: Utah 192.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_02: BYU 152.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_02: So the edge is Utah.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's not particularly close.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: Utah does develop pros.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_02: This is all time.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: This is all time.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: So this also takes into account, which I'm glad you asked, the time that BYU had a high school team.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: They obviously weren't pushing out pros back then.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_02: Since the Lavelle Edwards, Lavelle Edwards and BYU has more.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: So we're technically give it to Utah, but since the Lavelle Edwards, it's a BYU.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_02: So you know, it's kind of BYU.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Alright.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Category, let's see where we at.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: Eight.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: Number nine.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_02: Final AP, top 25 finishes all time.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Here we go.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_02: BYU has 21 seasons finishing ranked in the top 25.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_02: Utah 12th.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, y'all suck.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Again.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_02: Edge BYU.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_02: Next category.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_02: Next best final ranking ever.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: Obviously BYU number one because we're the national champions.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Utah number two in 2008.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_02: Edge.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_02: BYU again.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, category 11.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_02: We got two more.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_02: Overall bowl record.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_02: Utah has been elite in bowl games.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_02: Sort of.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: They're about 18 and 9.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: BYU is a 17, 22, and one tie.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_02: Edge technically goes to Utah, but if you look at the quality of the bowls, we're not talking about the Cheese It Bowl, the Pop Tar Bull.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_03: The Pop Tar Bull.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, the Bulls are stupid nowadays.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Bulls are stupid.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_02: They've been stupid for a good while.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: So Utah does have one more win, but if you if you factor in the quality of the bulls, you BYU has more quality bowl wins than Utah does.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_02: All right, last category: the Outland trophies, best lineman in the country.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um BYU has two.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_02: Jason Buck in 1986 and Mohammed Eloonibit in 1989.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_02: Eloonibit.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_02: Like that name, right?
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like Nippert more though.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: Nippert.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Briggs wants to name his sons Nippert and Archibald.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh Utah's got one, Spencer Fano last season.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: So Edge, BYU.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: So the final tally.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: BYU wins pretty much 10 out of the 12 categories.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Two of the categories that we technically gave the Edge to Utah to, you can make a case.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: Those also go to BYU.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, y'all suck.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Okay?
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Y'all suck so well.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I love it.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, but if you look at which one.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: So BYU wins the trophy case.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_02: The title, the Heisman, the Hall of Famers.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: Utah wins kind of maybe developing some NFL players over a longer stretch of time, but I don't even think I'd give them that one.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, because they've had more money, but then like we've been able to do more, if you like.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Well, because yeah, it's a lot of people.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're coming.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_02: We're coming.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: We're coming.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh for any of the BYU people that are actually on the uh the BYU athletic staff, uh, we are way more responsible with our money.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_02: And with our NIL donors, more people love BYU.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_02: We actually do have more money now.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, that's fine.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: All right, there we go.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: All right, back by popular demand.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: We have got our holy war fact or fiction game.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: So that's it's uh time for our this is our rotating crown jewel.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, um, so we're gonna do nine statements.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be fact or fiction.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: Briggs, no hesitating.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: Every right answer is worth a point on our fictitious scoreboard.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_02: You ready?
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: Lock and load, rapid fire.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna get we're gonna do this one and we're gonna aim for less than a minute and 30 seconds.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Ready?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: Timer's on, ready, set, here we go.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_02: Briggs, fact or fiction.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_02: The biggest blowout in holy war history was a Utah win.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fiction.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's absolute fiction.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: It was actually BYU 56, Utah 6.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's a butt whipping by 50 in 1980.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, the most points ever scored in a Holy War, both teams combined, is 101.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Uh fact.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_02: That is a fact.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: BYU won 70 to 31 in 1989.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody forgot to bring a defense that day.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_02: Number three, BYU and Utah don't even agree on how many times they've played.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh fact.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Utah says 103 games, BYU says 97.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_02: Because, you know, the whole high school thing.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Kyle Whittingham, who coached Utah for 21 years, was the MVP of a bowl game while playing for BYU.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: Fact.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, that's true.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: He did play for BYU in the night.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: He played for BYU and then he goes to Utah.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: What an idiot.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: I hate him even more.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Traitor somewhat?
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't know if he's a traitor.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's a traitor.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_03: That's a traitor.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_03: You don't go play for Utah when I mean you don't coach for Utah when you freaking play at BYU.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_02: Current coach Morgan Scalley played at B at Utah, and now he's coaching Utah, so I at least respect that.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_02: He has a stupid name though, Morgan Scaly.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, now we got Kalani Tetake, and y'all got Morgan Scaley.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_02: I love it.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: Alright, but number five, college game days first ever trip to Salt Lake City was for a holy war back in 2004.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: True or false?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: Uh false.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually a fact.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_02: Utah won that game 52 to 21 on the way to the Fiesta Bowl.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: They whooped us with Urban Meyer back then.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's true.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Urban Meyer was a go-way.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's kind of a damn year.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_02: We were replacing LaBelle Edwards.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_02: It was tough for us.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: I get it.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_02: Number six.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Since 2000, Utah has a winning record when it plays in Provo.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: Fact.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we already talked about that one.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_02: Six and five.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: That one hurts.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_02: Don't like it.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_02: Don't like it at all.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: But we're starting to turn the tide.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_02: Number seven, BYU has never beaten Utah in overtime.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: Fiction.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_02: Because that was 2009.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what happened in 2009.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_02: Max Ball Andrew George in overtime.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_02: BYU in 26-23.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_02: And what was Max Hall's, what do we call Max Hall's little press like media presser?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: Remember his little conference at the end?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like I hate everything about him.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: They deserve to lose something like that.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the Gettysburg address of BYU is what we call it.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like Utah.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, I hate them.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: I hate everything about them.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I hate their program.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: I hate their fans.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: I hate everything.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: So it felt really good to send those guys home.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't deserve it.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was our time and it was our time to win.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: We deserved it.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: We played uh as hard as we could tonight.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh it felt really good again to send them home to get them out of here.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, game will always remember.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think I think their whole I think the whole university and the their fans and then the organization is classless.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think, you know, they throw beer, they threw beer on my family and stuff last year and did a whole bunch of nasty things, and I don't respect them.
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And um, you know, they deserve it.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_02: All right, number eight.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Before this year, Utah once had two players drafted in the same first round before this year.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_02: Utah has had two players drafted in the same first round.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Fact.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's actually fiction.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_02: So y'all suck.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_02: It was just this past time with uh with uh Spencer Fano and Lomu.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, you guys are so stupid.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, you're a lot of idiots.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_02: BYU has though the side note.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, number nine.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_02: Utah's head coach Morgan Scally once took an official recruiting visit to BYU during a holy war and spent the whole game standing on the Utah sideline.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_02: Fact.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_02: So that is fact.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: So he told the Deseret News about it in 2004.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_02: Some guys just know where they belong, right?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: So um that's crazy.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: Uh hopefully BYU was not the one that invited him.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: That would be that would be crazy.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, all right, buddy.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: You nailed those.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you you look at you, you know your stuff, even for the historical stuff.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: Nice job, buddy.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: All right, that's a wrap on that.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: Let's move on to uh little teaser on the uh the week that the college game day came to both Provo and Salt Lake City.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: All right, buddy.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: That is the end of episode one in our holy war special.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: Bless you, son.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Today was about the history, the legends, the chaos.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, but next episode, we are gonna be breaking down Saturday's game.
• 22:20
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• 22:22
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• 22:24
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• 22:25
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• 22:27
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• 22:28
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• 22:38
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• 22:39
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