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PSA's Power Keeps Growing- Surface Issues Episode 35 · Sports Card Clubhouse

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In our massive country, there are card collectors throughout
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the land participating in the hobby.
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There's Mike of Junk Wax Hero and Greg of Midlife Cards, and
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while distance may separate them, here is where they come
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together to talk cards. Hey buddy, how are you doing on
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this fine day? I'm great.
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I I went out to grill. I just got a new grill and went
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to, I took the propane tank out of the old grill, put in the new
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grill, wouldn't fire up out of propane.
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And I have a spare propane tank 'cause I'm a griller.
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You got to have a spare propane tank also out of propane.
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And I don't know how I let that happen at the end of last year,
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probably because I was like, oh, it's the end of the year, I'll
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fix this in the spring. It's not like California where
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you just grill all year long. So yeah, I had to bake our
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chicken, which is deeply disappointing, Greg.
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Yeah, chicken is is much better grilled than baked.
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I would agree. All right, well, first of all,
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we got to let's address the elephant in the room.
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You took a few shots from David Chase and in in the 1st edition
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of Midlife card Chase and some people were defending you in the
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comments. In fact, one person said Greg,
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what kind of friend are you for allowing him to attack Mike and
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not defend Mike? A terrible friend, obviously.
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Clearly a clearly a bad person. I do think there was a fair
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amount of sarcasm in those comments 'cause I know for a
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fact that David Chase likes you very much.
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Well, he's been sending me very awful text messages threatening
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me. No, it was all in good fun.
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And I think I, I felt like it was clear that he was just
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joking. And I think he even, or you said
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there was a lot of sarcasm there.
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It was, it was fun. I met David at Strongsville.
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We hit it off. I've tried stealing him as a
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friend from you, but he's like no no no, I'm Greg only.
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No, no, no, he's friends with quite a few people in the
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community. Let me tell you, a great guy,
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love him very much and excited to have that.
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If you've not yet watched that episode that is on the Sports
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Card Clubhouse, it's going to be every other week sort of
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rotating with your This Week in sports cards, which you haven't
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recorded yet as we record this. But is this the week?
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I think now, correct me if I'm wrong, this is the week that
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we're going to have the switch in schedule.
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So people are going to be hearing this on Tuesday and they
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will be have already heard this week in sports cards, which is
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going to be this Saturday or past last Saturday as as they
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hear this. And then this upcoming Saturday
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will be another midlife card chase and then rotating that
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way. Do you have an announcement or
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do you want to share who the guest was in case people didn't
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see it? I think we made that
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announcement last week. It's Teapot episode 1 and then
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it's Chris Sewell episode 2 and they will rotate so each of them
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will go every four weeks and so it'll be in every other week
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show. I knew.
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I knew it was Teapot and Chris Sewell.
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I didn't know. Maybe I was a bad listener, but
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I didn't know Teapot was first. I would have thought you would
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have put Chris Sewell first, especially with some of the
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things that they said about me this week, which let's take a
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look at that, right? Oh, OK, so the one of the top 2
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podcasts out there for sports cards is Surface issues here run
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by junk wax hero Mike, good friend of mine and Jeremy's and
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Theo's. We're all really good friends
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with wax Mike. He's he's got that partner.
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I don't know, said something like Billy.
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Is it Billy? I don't know his name, but he's
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Thor. Do you know his name?
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Yeah, his name's Craig, guys. He's he's actually somebody.
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Oh, that's a preview show. Yeah, Craig.
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Craig's a great guy. Mid level sports cards.
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Mid level. Mid level.
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Level mid level comics? No.
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No mid level sports. Cards.
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I thought it was mid love. Was it?
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Isn't it mid Love sports cards? Yeah, did you say meatloaf or
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Mid love? All right.
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Some people say he's the best sidekick on YouTube.
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Well, I come back with my name on the screen changed to Billy
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and was real tempted to put best sidekick on YouTube, which I
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would actually wear with a as a badge of honor that I could be
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the best sidekick in all of YouTube.
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That would be quite great. Your thoughts on well, these
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guys say I am. So I did not know.
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You didn't know. I don't think that they were
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going to do that. It was funny because you put a
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funny comment on their video last week or two weeks ago,
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whenever it was saying you guys always talk about Mike junk wax
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hero. And so they, they thought that
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they would do this, but I didn't know they were going to do that.
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And I was driving home from work yesterday, I think, or Tuesday.
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And I, I laughed so hard on my drive home, sitting there in my
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car all by myself when Theo came on and said, yeah, it's Craig.
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And I thought, oh boy, here we go.
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I knew immediately. And then he called you mid level
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sports cards, which is so good. Yeah, so for the rest of this
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episode, I'm going to be Billy of Meatloaf sports cards on the
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screen. If you're listening, just know
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it is proudly displayed across my chest at the moment.
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And then in case anybody was wondering the seriousness of
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this, I do have a quick follow up.
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No, hey, get back on here. Theo.
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We're all joking. Greg, you're awesome.
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We love you. We're sorry.
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We call out Trump Wax Mike every episode and forget to call you
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up. That's not intentional.
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That was just that was just the the way the chips landed.
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But yeah, Greg from midlife, he's amazing.
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I mean, they said I'm amazing. They said I'm awesome.
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I mean, I'm my my heart is fluttering.
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They're great guys, love them very much obviously, and it was
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awesome that they joined the clubhouse this past week on
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Thursday, last Thursday for for their first appearance.
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Now will that be a regular thing?
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I hope so, but I don't know. But extra innings again, we've
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been having Jake Wax pack wisdom along with Matt from Providence.
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And then once a month we get Tony Southern collector with
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Mike Petty. And then this one here we got to
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have Jeremy, Theo and Chris Sewell, which that's I mean, all
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of these guys are great guys. It's part of the whole point of
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us doing this is an opportunity to hang around, joke around
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better relationships of connecting with these guys.
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So that was awesome. Absolutely.
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I love listening to their podcast, not only those guys,
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but the extra innings crew as a whole.
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I, I haven't listened to the actually I'm 2 episodes behind,
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but I did listen to the hit list of Matt and Jake this week and
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those guys make me laugh too. They're they're fun.
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They like us. They took some time to really
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hit their stride and get to having, you know, really good
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rapport with each other and and knowing how to bounce off of
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each other. But they're so good now.
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Anybody who isn't watching the hit list on Jake Wax Pack
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Wisdoms channel, you're missing out.
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Yeah, I totally agree. It's, it's great stuff.
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I guess this is probably a good opportunity for us to shout out
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Chris, who is also a sponsor of the Channel Collector Investor
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dealer.com. You can contact him at
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sewellsportscards.sewellsportscards@gmail.com if you're interested in selling
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part of or all of your collection.
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Again, Chris is a great guy and even if he busts my balls a
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little bit, nothing but love because he is the best.
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He's always looking for collections to purchase and we
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can attest that he will definitely treat you well cuz
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he's a great guy. All right, let's let's get into
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our first topic now. We're not going to go on a 15
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minute rant about Twinkies or Oreos or Little Debbie's cakes
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or anything like that because apparently we're starting to
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wear out our welcome with that. But I mean, we are going to talk
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about snacks, but you know. Greg, I will say that I think
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it's the most popular part of any of our episodes.
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Is it? We get so many comments about
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snacks. People love it.
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It's a little bit different, right?
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But you people come to us for the sports Car Talk, but they
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really enjoy the well, you're the king of off topic.
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You have your own podcast called Off Topic.
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But here we we go off topic and it's very popular, I think.
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There's actually going to be an off topic later this week on
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Friday with myself, Darren return to collecting and from
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across the globe. Carl from Oz will be the guest.
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So we're we're very excited about that.
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OK, here is the central theme of the topic.
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And then there are two branches to the discussion that I want to
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bring up. You have no idea what the topic
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is yet. Well, you might have a hint, but
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the power of PSA is at an all time high and it's starting to
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feel like an arms race, like, you know, the Cold War between
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fanatics and PSA at the moment. And there are a couple of things
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that spiked my intrigue about this topic over the last week.
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One of the things that happened was there was the news about
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GameStop buying eBay, which I definitely go ahead.
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GameStop wanting to buy eBay? GameStop, correct, wants to buy.
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Allegedly wants to buy eBay and what are the ramifications about
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that? Now, there have been some people
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that have talked about it, but I certainly have some opinions
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that I haven't shared on this topic yet.
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I would be interested in picking your brain at least a little
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bit. But part of this obviously are
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the ties with PSA as Nat Turner and eBay.
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PSA and eBay have a close relationship.
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GameStop and PSA have a close relationship.
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Nat Turner sits on the board for GameStop.
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So there's a lot of intermingling between there.
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So that's definitely something I want to pick your brain on.
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But then there was a discussion over on The Odd Couple, Tony and
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Petty. They were talking about the
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power of PSA, and Tony was again, defending, you know, how
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people are always attacking that autographs, you know, might be
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fake and how many of them are fake and what percentage of them
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are fake. And then they started talking
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about, well, how many of the cards that have been graded are
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actually trimmed or altered? But we just trust PSA 'cause if
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it's in APSA Slab, it's all good.
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Where do you want to start with those 'cause I have a specific
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example as well. So I just threw a lot out there.
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Let's not forget. Let's not forget that collectors
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who owns PSA also owned Golden Auctions and sold Golden
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Auctions to eBay. Yeah, I think it was a trade.
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It was like a trade in in exchange for the eBay vault,
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which is now the PSA vault, right?
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Yeah, some. There were a couple things in
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there, but yeah. Yeah, OK, well, this happened,
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so I'm going to share my screen. So if you're listening, I
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promise to do my best to describe what's on the screen in
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the theme of the PSA, Power and influence on the hobby.
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I'm sharing my screen. Now there are two cards on the
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screen now they're both modern cards.
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These are Ben Rice. OK, Ben Rice is a a younger
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Yankee, although on spitball and cards the other day they said
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he's not that old. He just turned 27.
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And are he they he's really old. He just turned 27.
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I was like, is that old? But Ben Rice has, has had a
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fantastic season for the Yankees so far.
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He's batting like 340 or something as we're recording
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this. He's got like 11 or 12 home
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runs. And, and, and so as a Yankee
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fan, I've been intrigued by Ben Rice and I've actually purchased
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3 Ben Rice karts. OK, now would you say I'm
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prospecting? I don't know.
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He's, he's a guy on my team. I wouldn't call it prospecting,
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but I think Ben Rice is the real deal.
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Now on the screen there are two cards. 1 is a blue logo fractor
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of Ben Rice and 1 is a teal a lava fat fractor, something like
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that. First question I have for you,
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just looking at the screen, which of these cards would you
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rather have? The one on the left or the one
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on the right? If I had to have one, I would
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take the one on the left. I would not want either of these
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cards. Not because it's Ben Rice, just
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because these. I don't like these parallels at
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all. But if I had to have one, I
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would take the one on the left. And yeah, it's not a very
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difficult decision. I.
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Mean it's it's clearly the better looking card, right?
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Oh yeah, and let me just say I think I understand what Spit
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Paul and guys are saying, which is that it 27 is old for a
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breakout. And it's very unlikely that he
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will make the Hall of Fame, which doesn't mean he can't have
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a good career or even a great career, but 27 is just old to
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have a breakout. Absolutely, and I love the
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spitballing guys, Teapot being one of them.
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I listen to pretty much every spitballing episode.
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I greatly enjoy them. And you're right, they would.
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They kind of followed up and said, well, it's not that he's a
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bad guy to put money into, it's just that it's more of a short
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to midterm kind of hold, not a long term hold for exactly the
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reason you just mentioned. So good.
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Good on you for clarifying my laps there.
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Now let's go to the next screen here.
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I'm going to I'm going to flip down one now.
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The card on the left is a blue and it's the card that you
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picked, and it's a color match with the Yankees blue and it's
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out of 150. And the card on the right, the
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card that you thought was not nearly as nice looking if you
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had to have one, was out of 199. So does this change anything
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about your desire? If you had to have one of these
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cards, does does that do much for you?
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The 150 or 199? Not remotely.
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I didn't even consider that they could even be numbered, let
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alone care about the print run for them.
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OK. So you're still strongly on the
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left. OK, let's go to the next screen.
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Next screen, they have the grades.
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So the card on the left, the blue one, the color match, the
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one that's numbered out of 150 is APSA 9.
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The one on the right is an Aqua Lava is what it was called, I
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guess, and it was out of 199. And that one is APSA 10.
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Now, does this change what you would want in as far as the
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cards are concerned? Well, what is tops, Chrome LEI?
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Think that's I'm going with something edition.
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I could Google that. I think it isn't it.
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Is it logo edition? Chrome LE.
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It might be like a short print, like a variation, like a picture
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variation or something. Image variation.
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Look it up and see what we get. Mike is currently Googling.
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I can see his studious eyes focused on the screen.
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I I don't know what it is. It's it's a limited edition rare
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low numbered parallels and special inserts within the Tops
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Chrome brand, often featuring vibrant refractors like Yellow
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Wave or Gold numbered to 50. That one's an LE.
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Hold on. Go ahead.
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See this is this is when AI overviews are wrong.
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It is logo fractor edition. OK, so I I I'm I'm leaning not
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because of the 10, but I didn't I don't know what logo fractor
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is. I don't know what that's just
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like a special brand is that. Do you see in the background?
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It's got like an MLB logo. Right, but I didn't know that
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was a separate brand and then tops Chrome.
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It's not a separate brand, it's an insert.
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But it says it's 2025 Tops Chrome Logo Fractor edition
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which is a separate brand. And if I look at my Google
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search right here it is Tops Chrome Baseball Logo Fractor
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edition which is a separate brand.
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OK, so which card? Go ahead.
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I don't, I guess it kind of looks the same, but like I don't
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like Sapphire I I like standard tops Chrome, but I still like
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that one better. The card looks better to me than
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the weird lava. I don't know, Aqua Lava.
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It's silly. What do you think the price
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difference is between the two? Between the nine and the 10.
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Yeah, the 9 out of 150 LE and the 10 out of 199.
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I think I'm going to guess that the 9 logo fractor blue
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refractor is about $150.00 and the Aqua Lava PSA 10 is probably
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$300. OK, let's take a look. 78 for
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the blue refractor PSA 9 and 390 for the Aqua Lava.
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Wow. $390.00 that is for mathematicians out there. 5X5
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XI, think it's exactly 5X55X the 9 when the 9:00 seems to be a
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better looking card. It's numbered out of fewer so
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there's fewer of them and but it's 5X because of the 10.
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Now when you really inspect the cards, now that you know that
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it's a nine, I guess the top to bottom centering on the left is
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maybe like, I don't know, 6535 or something, which is probably
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the reason I got the 9. The centering on the right card
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is a little bit better, but 5X. For a more plentiful card, not a
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color match card, a less attractive card because of the
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number going to a 10. Now, I this is not earth
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shattering news. This is this is not anything
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that anybody hasn't already said before, but I was I was watching
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both these cards. In fact, I think I threw a bid
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on both of them and I didn't get either one of them but I they
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were still in my watches so I was like I wonder what they
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ended up selling for. I was blown away that it was 5X5
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X for a more plentiful card that's not as good a looking.
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That's insane, isn't it? So if P if PSA says it's a 10
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instead of a nine, it's 5X. But then if you listen to, you
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know, some of these guys that are, you know, running PSA,
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they'll say, well, you know, it's an opinion.
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Sometimes it's a nine, sometimes it's a 10.
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Just depends. So raw they go for about $50 on
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the logo. Fractor.
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That's raw. And then whoops, Aqua.
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It's just such a dumb name. Aqua Lava Ben Rice and that one
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was numbered to 199 raw. Actually selling for more.
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I guess, and it's interesting because there are other.
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About the same. Actually, it's right around the
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same. OK, I mean, if it's selling for
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50, OK, let's just take a look at this.
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So if it's selling for 50, the Aqua Lava is selling for 50 raw
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and it's selling for almost 400 in A10.
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Why aren't we out buying all of the 50s that are centered?
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All of the ones at 50 that are centered, sending them in,
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Waiting 8 months for us to see if PSA has made us rich or not.
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Because those Cards in eight months won't be worth even close
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to what they are now. They will be way down.
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Unless. Unless Ben Rice has 60 plus home
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runs and the Yankees have won the World Series.
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Well, Ben Rice doesn't need to have sixty home runs.
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Ben Rice they what they were saying on spitballing cards is
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just imagine if Ben Rice or if if Aaron Judge gets hurt, Ben
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Rice carries the team and then they win the World Series.
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Ben Rice's cards would go freaking crazy.
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Whatever that's worth. My point is not Ben Rice, even
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though I I like Ben Rice. My point is that's the power of
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PSA. If I send an autograph in to PSA
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and they say it's legit, it could be worth thousands
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depending on who it is. If I send an autograph in and
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they say it's not legit, then it's worth nothing like nothing.
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And that's a lot of power. If if PSA says the card is
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altered, it's worth much different than if they say it's
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not altered and sharp and legit. The the amount of power that we
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have handed over is unbelievable.
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And then when they start intermingling with these other
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companies, it's really interesting and it's it's
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concerning. And again, I'm not a, I'm not
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suggesting this is a new topic by any means, but occasionally
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what will happen is in a 234 day span, you just get slapped
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across the face four times with how much power they actually
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have. You know, Tony's got some cards
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that are, I mean, he said it 6 figure cards that are
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autographed cards. And because PSA said they're
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legit, they're worth that. And if they said they weren't
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legit, even if they were legit, if they say they're not legit,
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they're worth nothing. Yeah, I have this fear.
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So five years ago that my very first video on this on my
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channel was my 1956 top Sandy Koufax that I discovered was
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autographed. Very weird situation.
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It was it kick started my channel.
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I sent it off to PSAI, got it got it authenticated and it's
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slabbed but it's not dual grade. It's all it says is trading card
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and it bothers me. I hate that it's, I think it's
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my only trading card autograph in my collection.
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I want to get it dual graded but I have this fear that if I take
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it to PSA they're going to say oh we made a mistake first time.
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This actually is not authentic. And if I understand correctly
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their PSA guarantee because I'm the one who got it graded, I am
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not protected by the PSA guarantee.
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It's one of the dumbest. It's worse than that though,
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because the PSA guarantee doesn't cover autographs.
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That's right, yes, I forgot about that.
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But what you could do is if it did cover autographs, you could
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have me submit it for you for dual grading because I'm not the
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original submitter. Yeah, if I was you, this is what
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I would do. If you're not asking for advice,
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but I'll share this. I would bring it to the National
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and I would get it brought in for dual authentication grading
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at the National. That way you can get it right
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back there on the spot. And then they would have to look
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you in the eye as they handed it back.
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But they're not going to switch it.
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They're not. They're not even going to look
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at that if the autograph is authentic again, they're just
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going to do the other part of the grading.
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They're not that. It's already been to that guy.
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I don't think that'll happen. Mike is making a face.
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He doesn't agree. Well, I'm, I'm thinking I'm it's
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not that I don't agree. No, I, I I have a hard time
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believing that they wouldn't authenticate the autograph
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again. Right, we agree.
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I I do think they would authenticate the autograph.
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I do too. Oh, oh, oh, you think it would
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go through the whole process again?
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I do. Really.
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Yeah. That's interesting, I would be
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curious to know if somebody out there knows if a card is
26:30
resubmitted. Like if a card is re holdered do
26:33
they check the grade to make sure the grade held up or do
26:37
they just put it in a new holder?
26:39
I thought they just put it in a new holder.
26:41
Well, sometimes they do, and I believe RE Holder says that
26:46
that's all they do. But there have been a lot of
26:48
instances that people have cited where somebody sent a card off
26:53
to get reholdered and PSA said, we can't reholder this without
26:58
grading it. And the grade is going to drop.
27:01
And the person says then then send it back to me as it is.
27:03
And they say no, we can't send it back to you as as is because
27:06
the grade is wrong. My understanding is they only do
27:11
that when the slab is damaged, which may have damaged the card.
27:17
That's what I thought. I don't know that to be true,
27:20
but that that's my understanding.
27:26
I I did you see? OK, I know I know your butt.
27:33
Jeff Wilson, he did a video recently and he was going
27:38
through a show and he was looking for cards where only the
27:43
autograph was authenticated and wasn't dual graded and and he
27:49
bought a 52 tops Willie Mays that he's like, that's a nice
27:54
looking card, but it just says the card is authentic.
27:56
It doesn't have a grade. And the autograph, I think the
28:01
autograph had a grade or it was at least authenticated and he
28:04
was looking up what that 52 Mays sells for when it is dual graded
28:10
and he bought it, he sent it in to be dual graded.
28:14
It got dual graded pretty good and it added like an insane
28:19
amount of value, which again, it's the same card and it wasn't
28:24
APSA piece of plastic. But now they're just giving
28:27
their opinion on the cards grade too.
28:29
Did you see that video or did you see that clip?
28:31
I did. I watched that video and there
28:34
is, you know, I'm, I'm loath to say something nice about Jeff,
28:39
but it's smart If you're looking to make a quick profit.
28:43
That is smart. Now I'm on on.
28:45
I'm on the other end of the spectrum where I'm currently
28:48
bidding on a, an auction, which I'm not gonna say what it is
28:50
because I don't want anybody else to discover this card
28:53
either. For an autographed card in APSA
28:58
slab where it's not dual graded. It just it's a trading card
29:05
slab, but it's a rare enough 1. I don't want a trading card
29:09
label in my collection. I've already got 1 I don't want
29:12
anymore, but I would make an exception for this one because
29:15
it's a rare enough autograph that I, I looked at and I said I
29:20
have to have that. And I'm hoping that because it
29:23
says trading card and not, you know, the actual card and set
29:28
that I'm going to get it for a reasonable amount of money
29:30
because this, these autographs are not cheap.
29:36
Now, Gai, so GIGAI was a grading company that somebody out there
29:45
can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is Mike Baker
29:48
was the head grader at PSA. He left PSA and started his own
29:52
grading company, Gai. There ended up being some
29:55
scandals in there about and you, you would know this more than
29:59
me, but so I'm kind of speaking out of, you know, whatever.
30:03
But I he, there were some scandals about some things that
30:06
happened at GAIGAI eventually folded and there was some stuff
30:11
that went down, legal stuff that went down.
30:14
And now Gai slab cards. Everybody kind of looks at them
30:20
side eyed like, well, it's in a Gai holder though.
30:23
Like certainly there are some cards in Gai holders that are
30:28
legit and some that aren't legit per the scandal.
30:33
I would think your thoughts on that with also the thing that I
30:39
have going on in my mind is we've put, and this is the whole
30:42
point of the question, we've put so much faith in PSA.
30:48
Is it impossible that some scandal comes out about PSA,
30:53
like came out about Gai, that would call into question PSA
30:59
slabs? And if we've all put all of our
31:02
faith just blindly behind PSA says it's good, it's good.
31:06
They say it's not trimmed, it's not trimmed that someday is it?
31:11
Is it impossible that people look at the current PSA slabs
31:15
the way they look at Gai slabs? I'm going to say something that
31:21
is going to sound slightly political, but I'm going to
31:25
thread the needle here, ignore. I'm not gonna mention any past
31:32
presidents. I mean, in the past decades and
31:34
decades ago, in the 19 in the 1900s, little things could
31:39
destroy a president or a presidential candidate's career,
31:42
right? Tiny things spelling potato
31:46
wrong could destroy a presidential candidate's career.
31:50
Or was he a presidential? Candidate Vice President Quayle
31:54
was the vice president. Or yelling, yeah, Howard Dean
32:01
career was over because he yelled weird.
32:04
Nowadays, it doesn't matter what a president does.
32:08
As long as the economy is strong, we ignore everything
32:13
else that happens, right? This has been happening for a
32:16
long time now, 20 years at least.
32:19
And I think that as long as PSA slabs stay strong on the market,
32:25
people will ignore any scandals that happened with PSAPSA
32:30
partnered with Backyard Breaks after Backyard had that scandal
32:34
last year, like two months after it was really, really bad.
32:40
And people continue to use them because they can make a lot of
32:44
money from buying cards, grading them with PSA, and then selling
32:49
them. And I think that people will
32:51
ignore anything that happens with PSA as long as the PSA
32:56
economy stays strong. I I think you did a really nice
33:01
analogy there and I think that the point is well taken.
33:09
I think that I think that's AI think it's a really interesting
33:14
point and tell us down below in the comments.
33:16
What do you what do you do you agree if the cards still sell
33:20
for a lot now? And let me just say that doesn't
33:23
mean everybody's going to ignore it.
33:24
You're gonna have, you're gonna have it's it'll become more
33:27
polarized than it is right now. You'll have a lot of people
33:29
saying, I can't believe you're supporting them.
33:31
I can't believe you're supporting.
33:32
Look at all these scandals and not all these other people are
33:35
gonna say, who cares? Look at how much money I'm
33:37
making. Yeah, yeah.
33:40
The per the comparison to politics, both sides, both
33:46
sides. Now, let me ask you a follow up
33:49
question of that at which kind of relates to a video that I did
33:53
recently. And then Chris from Missouri did
33:55
a little bit of a response video to it actually posted today.
33:58
I don't know if you saw that, but it was talking about
34:01
character and it was talking about the character of the
34:04
people pictured on the cards themselves.
34:07
And how much should that matter or does that matter?
34:12
And it's obviously going to be different for each person.
34:16
When when PSA did that partnership with Backyard
34:20
Breaks, a lot of people said I'm done with PSA.
34:25
When PSA. Yeah, I know.
34:27
And and when PSA did some other things, people said that's,
34:31
that's the one, that's the line in the sand for me.
34:34
Fine, I don't, I don't have any problem with people deciding
34:37
that. And like you said, other people
34:38
said it's one thing. Now PSA didn't continue that
34:43
partnership with backyard brakes as far as I know.
34:47
And so at what point do people overlook that one incident or
34:55
couple of incidents versus ongoing incidents?
35:00
And, and, and this is something I did want to pick your brain
35:03
about too, is when it comes to character of players, are are
35:07
there certain people who have character flaws where you won't
35:12
own their cards? Like how much does the character
35:15
of the player or the person play into how you collect and who you
35:21
collect? It doesn't.
35:24
It doesn't at all. I mean, if it fits in what I
35:26
want to do with my collection, I will buy any card.
35:29
I bought an OJ Simpson rookie card 'cause it fit in what I
35:32
want to do with my collection. I had somebody unsubscribe to my
35:35
channel because I had bought an OJ Simpson rookie card 2 two or
35:39
three years ago. I get it.
35:42
I totally understand that perspective.
35:44
But I wanted the card. I he's a all time rookie.
35:51
It was a he's a rookie card, all time player, most iconic
35:56
athlete. You know, you think about who OJ
36:00
Simpson was before the murders. He was massive.
36:05
And that's what I like in my collection.
36:09
Now, do I want the Menendez brothers card?
36:13
That doesn't matter to me. You know, that doesn't.
36:17
I think I actually have a couple of them from my childhood.
36:20
When I was digging out my childhood collection, I had a
36:22
couple that was before we knew who they were.
36:26
But I also I hate Mark Jackson and it's a Mark Jackson card so
36:29
I have no interest in having that card.
36:31
Well, you're a Celtics fan is part of it, and Mark Jackson is
36:35
an interesting character for sure.
36:37
I mean, especially as a commentator, as a coach, as a
36:40
player, he's got multi layers to his.
36:44
He's awful. You have spoken clearly in your
36:48
opinion. Yeah, I, I, I hear what you're
36:51
saying. So, so there's a thing like PSA
36:57
and backyard breaks. You said I'm done with them.
37:00
Do you, does that ever wear off? Do you ever say, OK, they did
37:05
their time and now I'll eventually come back?
37:08
Or are there some unforgivable things where you just it's it's
37:14
permanently off the list? This is a great question.
37:16
Something I've been thinking about because when when that
37:18
happened, it was last April, I'm 99% sure I said I'm done with
37:24
PSA, I'll reconsider them in a year and we just hit that year
37:28
mark. Am I reconsidering them?
37:30
No, I'm using CGC. But before you said I should
37:34
bring my my Sandy Koufax autograph to PSA at the
37:38
National, I had already thought of doing that and I thought, do
37:41
I want to give them my money? And I'm probably not going to do
37:44
it, but that's only because I don't have any need to sell the
37:47
card. So I don't know, I'm, I'm
37:52
undecided on it, but I have been thinking I'm not going to be
37:54
grading like randomly with PSA like I used to.
37:58
I used to enjoy sending cards off and you know, I'd send them
38:01
20 cards and I'd grade all 20 of them and I would sell a handful
38:05
to make, make them pay, pay for the submission.
38:09
I'm not going to be doing that. I enjoy CGC but I can I can move
38:17
past my grudge. Yeah.
38:22
Because because they they never did anything else with backyard
38:26
breaks. But I, I would have preferred a
38:28
statement saying, hey, we had this agreement and we had no
38:31
legal ability to move on from this agreement.
38:35
It was pre scheduled before the scandal.
38:37
I believe that's what happened. But they never said anything.
38:42
Just a quick. No, no, no.
38:44
I, I love hearing what you're saying.
38:46
My quick update on my grading status situation.
38:52
I wasn't going to grade for a while.
38:54
I, I've felt like the last couple of times with SGC, it's
38:57
taken so long. I've been so frustrated.
38:59
It was literally 50 days and I'm like, you're grading less than
39:03
you've ever graded. I kind of went off at the end of
39:06
the episode the other day with David Chase about SGC.
39:10
If you haven't heard it yet, I, I get a little bit I get a
39:13
little bit heated about it and then here I am.
39:16
I, I send off 3 cards to SGC and I, I want to explain that first
39:24
I'm big on one touches. Now I've gone, I, I literally to
39:29
the penny sleever, to the penny sleever I sent, I bought 101
39:36
touches from the penny sleever 'cause there were a bunch of
39:38
cards I've had going. I think I'm going to grade them
39:41
and they look great. That's the color frame one.
39:44
In fact, yeah, Isaac sent me 3 or 4 of the color framed ones
39:50
just for free. He sent me a coffee mug and
39:52
stuff. Isaac.
39:52
Send me. Oh well, I can put in a good
39:56
word for you. He did something Coffee.
39:57
Mug though, which I use everyday.
40:00
Yeah. And so I, I bought 100 'cause
40:04
I'm like, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna start one touching
40:06
stuff. I mean, I have some pretty cool
40:08
cards that I have in one touches right now.
40:11
And I just bought, I have a big BCW box sitting right next to me
40:16
'cause I bought some new 3 rows to put all the one touches in.
40:20
And like I'm I'm fired up about I I was having fun the other
40:24
day. You're holding up your what are
40:27
they called Z Folio but a penny sleever 1.
40:30
Yeah, new binder from the from the Penny Sleever just got in
40:33
the mail today. And and I think that that's
40:37
great and I think that there is going to be, there is starting
40:41
to be a little bit of a movement in that direction.
40:43
But then some of the cards are odd sized.
40:49
They're 1920s golf cards that aren't standard tobacco where I
40:55
could buy the penny sleever tobacco sized one touch.
40:59
And they're like odd sized cards.
41:02
And I'm like, I want these cards slapped.
41:06
So I sent them to SGCA week ago. I know more.
41:11
A week and a half ago, I sent them, they arrived at SGCA week
41:16
ago and I hadn't been given a notification that they had even
41:21
arrived and they had received them.
41:22
And I was literally, I was starting to worry because
41:24
they're like, they're not super common carts.
41:27
Like they're fairly abstract cards that don't, you know, just
41:32
fall out of dollar boxes. And so I was like, I don't think
41:36
I have my receipt. I didn't think I needed my
41:38
receipt from the post office to track it.
41:41
I ended up finding the receipt. I looked it up and they got
41:46
there a week ago and they haven't even they were picked up
41:49
from the post office said picked up in person a week ago and they
41:53
hadn't even notified me that they have them.
41:56
I mean, I'm sitting here stressing for a couple of days.
42:00
Are are my cards gone? Are they lost?
42:02
These are rare cards. I love these cards.
42:04
I just want them in a slab and and they don't even notify me
42:08
like put a barcode on the side like PSA does.
42:11
You can just scan it and then it goes into the system that they
42:13
have it. Like what are we doing?
42:16
Yeah, but even PSA doesn't scan it until they've until a little
42:21
bit later, right? Isn't that?
42:22
Doesn't PSA have the same delay in their process where they have
42:27
it in their possession but they don't tell you they have it
42:30
until they consider it received, which is when they have opened
42:34
the package or something like that?
42:36
Maybe I just know that I've, I've taped a barcode on the
42:40
outside that they scan when they get it and it's always felt like
42:44
for me when I've sent stuff to PSA, it's been a couple years,
42:47
but I was notified fairly quickly that they at least had
42:51
it. I have one last question and
42:53
then we'll wrap this one up. We've covered a lot of bases in
42:57
this one. I, I don't even know how we got
42:58
there, but here we are. My last question is this
43:04
GameStop buying eBay and the, what's his name Cohen or
43:11
something? The guy who?
43:12
Ryan Cohen, yeah. Ryan Cohen, who is the CEO of
43:17
GameStop, did an interview on like CNBC or something.
43:23
And have you watched that interview?
43:26
I have. It's appalling.
43:28
And, and let me ask you my final question.
43:31
I want to hear your thoughts and I'll share mine.
43:33
Do you think that GameStop is going to be buying eBay?
43:39
No, and I don't think GameStop intends to buy eBay.
43:43
I think it's it's a publicity stunt to some extent, but
43:48
there's also like he talked in that interview about how they
43:53
own 5% of eBay already. GameStop does.
43:56
I don't know if that's true or whatever.
43:59
Maybe I misunderstood it. But if they own 5% and they can
44:03
create all this publicity and excitement around eBay and eBay
44:06
stock goes up and then they sell eBay stock, they've juiced the
44:10
stock price and they sell, make make a huge profit, could that
44:13
not be part of what they're trying to do?
44:16
And a lot of CE OS are paid large bonuses and incentives
44:22
based on valuations, revenue, stock prices.
44:29
So could that be part of it? Maybe.
44:32
But that interview was bananas. It was it.
44:37
It was like, I, I, I mean, it was like, it was like talking to
44:43
like a APOW or something who just wouldn't speak.
44:47
It was just like, no, I've been instructed not to say anything.
44:51
So I'm just going to keep saying the same thing over.
44:53
It was insane. I'm like, this guy runs a, this
44:56
guy's run several companies. He's kind of a well known guy.
44:59
He turned Chewy around into a multi billion dollar, wildly
45:03
successful company. Chewy.
45:06
Yeah, there there was also a report that like if he turns
45:11
GameStop into $100 billion company, he gets a $35 billion
45:16
pay package. And so I don't know how that
45:20
plays in here. But there's also rumors that
45:22
he's trying to maybe get on ebay's board of directors.
45:27
And he did a stunt the other day where he was just selling a
45:29
bunch of junk on eBay and he said it was so he could afford
45:33
eBay and then eBay banned. He said eBay banned his seller
45:38
profile on eBay. But then like Ben Burrows went
45:42
to his seller profile and was working just fine.
45:45
So I don't know, there's a lot of stuff going on with him and
45:47
eBay and GameStop and I'm not smart enough to figure it out.
45:52
I think my opinion on the whole topic is virtually verbatim what
45:59
your opinion is that you just described, so I won't just say
46:02
what you just said, but I completely agree with you.
46:07
I completely agree with you that I think that it is a major shout
46:12
to try to be noticed. Hey, look at me.
46:15
Hey, look at us. Maybe it will help us become
46:19
more, I don't know, noticeable or noticed at all.
46:24
I don't know. All right, any final thoughts,
46:28
any shout outs, anything other than that This week in baseball
46:34
cards? This week in baseball cards came
46:36
out a couple of days ago. And this Tuesday is our new home
46:41
day and Saturday's is going to be the midlife card chase.
46:45
And this week in sports cards. Sorry, I said baseball cards,
46:48
sports cards, anything else? That's it.
46:52
Oh, yeah. No, that's it.
46:54
We're good. No.
46:55
No, no. What is it?
46:56
You gotta leave us hanging like that.
46:57
No, I'm, I'm done. Thank you.
47:00
All right.