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Jane Lledo: Joy Despite Trials Requires Purposeful Surrender · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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He reminded me that if people don't think about death, it's just an illusion, because
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we are all getting closer to it, and we either think about it now or we think about it later
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when we have to.
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And in my case, I've been forced to look at it, you know, for the first time, this concept
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of death was hanging out there, and always within my sights.
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And I had been ignoring it for a while, but then I wasn't able to anymore.
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Psalm 90 verse 12 says, teach us to number our days that we might gain a heart of wisdom
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and a quote, I love from that video today's guest, Jane Lido.
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If people don't think about death, it's just an illusion.
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I mean, yeah, perspective.
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So today's guest, Jane Lido, serves at first Baptist Church of Beverly Hills, located
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in West Hollywood, California, where her husband, Rob, is a pastor and has been since 2019.
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Now, a little bit his of history here, friends, this is how I know Jane, and that video,
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when she put that out, really ministered to me because of what she's going through, and
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I've learned a lot about keeping the faith through trials.
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We all, Rob, Jane and I, we attended a Calvary Chapel Metro Church in Santa Monica together
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about 25 years ago, and I've tried to stay in touch through the years, Rob and I have,
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and I have seen these two, this power couple grow, mightily in the grace and knowledge of
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our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
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And so, Jane worked as a television journalist.
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She's got 20 years in human resources over five years as an elementary school teacher.
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She's now a full-time mom and homeschooler, and last year started working from home in
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an independent learning charter school.
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And both of them were saved and born again about 30 years ago, and their devotion to faith
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in Jesus is what drives their lives, always wanting to grow and be more like him.
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And Lido, sister, so good to see you, welcome.
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Thank you for having me.
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It's so good to see you today, really, truly.
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God bless you.
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We'll get to your story more in a minute, but just you and Rob, just seeing you, and
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I remember I met with him when Rosanna and I took a trip out there.
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I think it was in 2015, I met with Rob, and I think he was studying as usual, you know?
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As usual.
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Yeah.
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He was studying, he was going through one of his degrees, right?
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But just to see the growth and the desire for the truth of God's word in him, it's just
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inspiring to me, knowing where he came from.
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And so, before we get into your story and your current health trials, and what, and even
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Rob recently had a stroke, so I just put that out there, and that's what you're going
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through now.
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Right.
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But tell us about you, when you guys met and Rob had a very rough background, he comes
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from Philly, so he does, he's, yeah, that you'd say enough, but okay, Jeff, if you want
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to put a picture of their beautiful family up, there they are, there they are, just amazing.
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So Jane, share a little bit about you guys, and just your early spiritual walk together.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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So basically, Rob and I came to faith as adults.
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I was 30, he might have been a little bit, you know, a few years after that, 33, 34.
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And so when we came to faith, he needed to come just functionally.
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He had had years, gosh, since he was 12, he'd either been on some form of substance like
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marijuana or whatever, spassed forward, alcoholism, crack addiction, all of it.
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And so for him to come to faith was a matter of survival and life.
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But he met the scriptures in such a way that it minister him and spoke to him.
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And he, he realized like a story is when he finally got sober, he was reading the scriptures
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in the shower like this.
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And he realized that the minute he put them down, he no longer felt the spirit.
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So he was detoxing with scriptures like this.
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So it's no wonder that he became a pastor later, the word really spoke to him.
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I know, it's really amazing.
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In my case, I came to faith because I just had a really bad sense of self-image or self-identity.
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My identity was wrapped in achievement and it was wrapped in being loved.
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And so in my 20s, those formative years, I just spent all my time trying to make it
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at work and really trying to find a husband.
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I hate to put it that way, but that's pretty much what I was.
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I loved, you know, I just felt like I loved a lot of people.
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But it's, it's just when I had a boyfriend, I was all in and found that they weren't
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like God's grace later, I realized.
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And it, and I lived in the world.
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I did what the world did.
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And so both of us ended up meeting after we got saved at the church you mentioned, Calvary
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Chapel Metro Church at a Bible study.
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Amazing.
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And we, we were in a Bible study together early on.
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This was like the late 90s.
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We were all of us were.
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Yeah.
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I think in what a good, great core group, Mike and John Keeme and all these guys.
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Anyway, back to your story.
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I just want to invite our viewers and listeners to pray for Robin Jane, particularly
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Rob's going through.
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He heard it.
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He heard his back and he's dealing with insomnia because he had a recent, recent stroke
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and he's, he's doing better, much better, but he's not quite back in the pulpit yet.
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So please pray for Robin Jane Lido.
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Now Jane, last October, you had a diagnosis of what did you say it was a type of sarcoma.
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So and that rocks your world.
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If you were relatively healthy before then and all of a sudden, wow, now we got to deal
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with this.
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So when you made that video that opened up this podcast, I think you, you told me you
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were just done with rounds of chemo.
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Tell us about that and where your faith was at then.
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Sure.
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So at the moment of the video, I had had a complete evolution, revolution that the months before
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were working towards and that had to do with understanding death, my fear of it.
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And all I can say is lots of prayer and diving in the thing about when you have a health
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issue, it doesn't go away.
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And you have other issues that tempt you into thinking in the flesh, tempt you into thinking
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in the worst.
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You can kind of distract yourself.
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You can dive into work.
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You can dive into something else and maybe it goes away.
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It comes back but goes away.
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The thing about a health issue of this severity really is it doesn't go away.
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So you don't get a relief like that.
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So I had no, no option but to dive in.
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And what I mean dive in is I just kept looking at it.
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It meant moment by moment prayer, it meant so many things, grabbing it on the scripture
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with dear life.
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My husband Robb, I mean what a support he was during that time because he knows scripture
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so well and he could help me fight the battle spiritually.
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But I didn't have the strength any longer to do it on my own.
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I just didn't.
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So a couple of things that really stuck out to me before that video early on, which I
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wanted to mention if that's okay.
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It had to do with my sense of identity again, that seems to be a theme, right?
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You're always going to be wondering who you are in Christ.
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And at that time, I was at the best point of my life.
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It wasn't easy but I was finally staying at home, working from home, raising my kids,
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being a homeschool mom like all the things I'd wanted my whole life, I'd finally come
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to fruition a few years earlier and then being able to work and help my support my family
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from home.
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It just was like perfect.
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And that, when we introduced cancer into that picture, all of a sudden my focus went
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into what am I eating, you know, the treatments and all of this and I got really confused and
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I'm like, Lord, what's my purpose now?
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Like where do I put my attention and I raise, I cried out and like I don't understand
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what life is and like a general whisper literally within minutes.
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He said your purpose has never been different.
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Your purpose has always to be made, but was always to be made like Jesus Christ.
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The only thing different is we're now adding cancer into the picture and now I'm going
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to use this to do that as well.
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So it really put everything into perspective, cancer, I'll bay it a big one.
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I don't want to, I don't want to minimize it, but at the end of the day, it's a trial.
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Yep.
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And you deal with it like you do any other trial and that is on your knees, frankly.
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And it makes you and forces you to go on your knees.
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I think with other trials in our life, the opportunity is there to force it to go on
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your knees, but we don't take it.
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And I'm talking from my own experience.
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I can't speak for your viewers, but upon reflection, I could see where this new relationship
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I'm having with Christ where I'm so close to him, closer than I've ever been.
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Now I could have, I could have used many other moments like that too, not to take away.
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God is sovereign and he knows the direction we're going to go in.
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And he's also gracious and merciful.
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But I really feel that we all every day have an opportunity if we just don't distract
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ourselves from what's happening, right?
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So there's a bug flying around here at home.
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But with that bit, we're at home.
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So I think that was one of the first learnings I got.
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And I think fast forward when it led me to a video was you have to deal with this concept
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of death.
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And let me tell you, we have two young kids.
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If it wasn't for them, Dave, honestly, all the years of scripture reading and praying
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and diving in and understanding who God is, all those years, you know, really led me to
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a point where heaven, great, I'm ready when you're ready, Lord, oh my kids, that, that
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really gave me a moment's pause.
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And I really, I'm not in a hurry to go because of them and it's very, very difficult.
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So I think that put a whole new perspective.
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So dying was really, and not that I have a month that I know that's going to happen.
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I think coming to grips with that is to your point that if we're not thinking about death,
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it's an illusion because the fact of the matter is anybody tomorrow could get an accident
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heaven forbid and be gone.
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I have this thing hanging there that makes it seem like it's going to come more quickly
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than not, but we really don't know.
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We don't know how this is going to manifest itself.
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And all I know is I'm praying for healing and I'm living each day as if it's my last
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because I have the gift to do that, teach me to number my days so I can have the heart
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of wisdom that's become very real.
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But in this video, one of the things I mentioned was, wow, there's joy to be had in the midst
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of this.
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Yes.
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When you're not afraid of death, when you're not living in the future and having it rob
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your joy from today.
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And that takes a lot of work, purposeful work in your relationship with God.
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It just does not come any other way.
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There is no shortcut.
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All this is done was forced me to do it more purposefully every day.
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Isn't it amazing, Jane, that we need reminders from God from life to live a certain way that
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we should have been living all along?
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Right?
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Sure.
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And this is all about, there's so many takeaways from your story perspective.
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And also it's a witnessing opportunity.
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We talked a little bit about this before we started the podcast for unbelievers.
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They can't grasp because to them this life is all there is.
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So they can't grasp someone having peace or even joy going through a health crisis or
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other issues.
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They just go, wow, because they don't have God.
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They don't know the peace.
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They don't know they don't have any assurance of eternal life.
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And we are so thankful.
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Our citizenship is in heaven, but of course those of you are watching from the states.
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We have people from different countries watching the podcast, but if you're a citizen of
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the United States and you're a Christian, we have a dual citizenship.
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So every one of us has a sphere of influence.
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And I think Jane, you found that out when you put that video blog out there.
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Oh, my way.
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I didn't mention that.
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It's called valleys, mountain tops and rainbows.
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It's that wordpress and the entry that we're talking about was about two months ago.
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And it's just simply titled joy, despite, I love that short and pithy joy, despite.
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And I encourage you guys to go watch and listen to her at that time in that moment.
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And that's what drew me in because we're going through our own, you know, trial and
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our family and with her, Zana, my wife.
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And that drew me in because I'm going, yes, great reminder.
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We can still trust God, have peace and even be joyful at times going through this.
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So Jane Lido, we've been talking about your story and it's told you how it inspired
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me.
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When you were writing a blog, when was it, is in January of this year, you came across
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Matthew chapter eight.
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Yes, I did.
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And you were talking about, you know, Jesus walking on the water and when they were amazed
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that he said, well, who is this?
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What kind of man is this?
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Even the wind and the waves obey him.
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And then he said, ye of little faith, how did that minister to you and walk us through
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that time for you?
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Sure, sure.
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I think what happened was, and he was sleeping in the boat, it was, it was that scripture.
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And so he was sleeping in the boat when there's chaos.
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And he told once he woke up, you know, and he stopped the waves, he would tell the disciples
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ye of little faith.
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And he said that a lot to the disciples.
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But I decided to look at it a little differently again.
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You read these scriptures, you're hanging on to the life to any hope that you can get
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because you got some tough news and you want to walk through it, just leaning from
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the Lord.
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And one thing I asked one question at that time was, well, what would it look like if the
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disciples did have faith, right?
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He said, ye of little faith, I'm like, okay, well, you know, no one can blame them.
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I don't blame them.
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But what would it look like?
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And so then I started to ruminate my head.
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Oh, well, would it be like a calm, excuse me, Jesus, you know, do you realize that there's
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these big waves?
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Could you help us out here?
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Is that showing more faith?
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And then eventually what I came to the conclusion was, I think if you have faith in the circumstances
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that you're surrounded by, don't look like you should have faith or they're chaotic.
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But Jesus is sleeping and resting.
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He's the savior of the world.
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He's God.
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He had the confidence that he could stop the waves.
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So maybe we should have the confidence that he could stop them too.
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Or frankly, that being next to him in the middle of it is the best place to be.
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So then I imagined maybe it would be lying down next to him.
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And that would be what it looks like to have faith in that boat.
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But then later I was in a women's ministry that I still do.
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And one of the ladies there, well, not a new believer, but pretty young in general and
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still in the first few years of her faith, said, I think what it means is to be able to sleep
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or be next to Jesus because that's the best place to be even if it means losing your life.
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And that ministered to me.
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It was like a digging deeper, going deeper.
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And I'm like, wow, but do I have that faith?
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Who does?
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It's easy to say when maybe you're not faced with it, but when you're faced with it and
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you're hanging on because you don't want your kids to be without you, all of a sudden
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you're like, man, I don't know that I have that.
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So it was, it was an eye opener, but it ministered to me and it spoke truth.
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And it did something to my heart and it got me closer to that.
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Wow.
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It just was thinking as you were sharing that to live as Christ and to die as gain.
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Die as gain.
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That's if you're a believer born again with the Holy Spirit.
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That's real to us.
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That should be reality.
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Because it is reality.
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There's someone I knew this was in the 90s, I think.
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He heard the news of his, a friend told him that his grandmother died and his grandmother
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was a solid old woman of God in church singing the hymns and it's really on fire for the
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Lord.
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And when he heard his friend told him that his grandmother died, his response was good
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for her.
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His friend was shocked.
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He was usually here, oh, I'm so sorry, but his response, I'm going, okay, let me think
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about that.
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That's real.
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That's the Christian perspective.
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And that's the reality.
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That's the reality.
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Yes.
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I mean, I think if we don't, and you know what, if we're not there, we don't understand
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that.
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That's okay, but know that that's the truth.
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And so then what closes the gap, we don't just, we don't just earnestly try what closes
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the gap is getting to know the Lord.
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I mean, if I could say so, you know, this journey through cancer has kind of surprised
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the faith and the strength.
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I've been surprised by what God's given me because earlier back in 2000, and you know
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this, 2004 to 2014, Robin and I struggled with in fertility.
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And the first time I had a miscarriage, I wanted to walk away from the Lord.
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So I'm like, what was the difference between then and now?
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And I realized the difference was I just dove in harder with the Lord.
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And you know, I really felt led to everyday read scripture, gosh, go to church and green
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from the teaching, just purposefully go after God.
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And you have to fight for that in this day and age.
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You have to.
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But I don't think that it's a coincidence that I was able to cling harder to the Lord
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now than back then, given what's happened in my own walk with the Lord for 20 years.
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So my admonition to anybody is look and see where you're at with your relationship with
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Christ.
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Rarely any of us is satisfied.
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And whatever you feel you need to do to get closer to him, do it.
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If you're not reading, if you're not reading the Word every day, then read the Word every
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day.
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If you're not praying every day, then learn how to pray.
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You know, you're getting to know a person, but not just a human person, a divine person,
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the person, the living God, the king of this universe.
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We have an opportunity to connect, but we let so many other things get in the way.
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But we can start today.
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Just start today.
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You know, I made a decision a while ago to start and just ramp it up after those miscarriages.
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And I believe I'm reaping the benefit of it now during this trial.
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Well, you cannot live what you don't possess.
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And if you don't have the Word of God in you, all those years of study and really reading
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God's Word, having you speak and prayer, we'll need that someday if we live long enough
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on this earth with the trials and everything.
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We'll need what we put in what we invest.
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But when you were sharing that, I reminded me of a worship song.
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I think we were singing back then in the late 90s.
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One of the phrases is to know and follow hard after you.
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One pure and holy passion, I think is the right to know and help and to know and follow
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hard after you.
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I wanted to ask you something, Jane, because of what we've been dealing with too in the
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last two and a half years, I reached a point where you realize, okay, God's sovereign
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over all of this, over everything that's going on in our lives.
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And we can either panic and try to take things into our own hands or trust in him with
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all of our hearts.
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And don't try to figure it out.
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Lean on our own understanding.
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And I was thinking we spent thousands and thousands of dollars on supplements, on doctors,
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on tests, on all these different things.
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And yet I was trying to keep this balance of not being the woman with the issue of blood
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that came to Jesus and touched the hem of his garment because she spent all she had
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on doctors, but instead of getting better, grew worse.
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Can you speak to that perspective of not panicking and not going, like jumping from doctor
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to doctor and treatment to treatment and trying to do it, because you can wear yourself
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out just doing that.
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You can, you can.
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I think early on, one of the things that I felt very led to do through prayer was to
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control the narrative because I knew that well-meaning people, once they heard all the details
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up front, would just bombard me with information.
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And to be honest, I wasn't in a place, I wasn't in a place to be able to, to, to, to
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dissect it and look at it and figure out what was right.
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In fact, my, my wonderful husband took point for me on that.
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So I said, if you have something for me, you really feel you got to do it.
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Send it to him.
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And we'll walk through it.
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That was step number one.
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But I did all that to protect my walk with Christ because it's so easy to get distracted.
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So I just, I wanted to do whatever it took to protect my relationship.
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Even so, things still came my way.
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And all I could do was pray, feel right, but what was really difficult was when people
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would send you things with all these testimonials about how it cured them.
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And I don't doubt that.
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But in cancer, it's, I wouldn't say it's individual as a fingerprint, but it kind of is people's
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responses to chemo, responses to treatment, anything.
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It may or may not work.
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And so it was really difficult for me to hear that because then I thought, if I don't
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try it in my writing, my death sentence, I mean, that would be what would go on in my
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mind.
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And finally, again, with the support of my husband and other mature believers, we just walked
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step by step and said, listen, Lord, you're going to have to speak to me in my heart.
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And I had to lean on that.
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And that's what we've been doing.
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And it's meant I looked at my nutrition initially, but then it became a possible to maintain
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because of the chemo.
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And so now I'm going back and I'm just, I just really feel led to dive into vegetables
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and add as much as I can.
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I got to do this smoothie thing, which to get more vegetables in me, I really believe
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that there's something to that for me.
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But other people would believe I should be doing more.
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Other people think I should be doing in a different direction.
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And all I can do is just pray to God that I'm going in the right direction and go.
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But you have to say, notice some things and you have to just, I mean, I get you.
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It's so difficult.
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Yeah.
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This teaches us that there, because there are so many things you could do that we've got
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to just keep trusting no matter what.
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Do what we can.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Stress over it.
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But just keep trusting.
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It just reminds me of, you know, Paul, the Apostle Paul wrote a lot about affliction.
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And I did a study on that word last year and just how he was afflicted in so many ways.
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And then he goes through these passages of all the things that happen to him and you're
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going, geez, I'm complaining about my life.
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And yet what then he said in Philippians, I think it's just to know Christ and the power
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of his resurrection and the fellowships of sharing in his sufferings.
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And I'm going, oh my goodness.
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What?
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And he, Paul was, uh, flagged.
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He was beaten.
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He was stoned.
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He was.
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He was left for dead.
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Yeah.
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He was left for dead.
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All through the Bible, all through scripture.
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And just encourage people to go read Philippians for a being just for nothing, but in everything
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my prayer and supplication and with thanksgiving, present your request to God.
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Paul wrote that from prison and Philippians is one of the most joyful books and letters
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in the, in the New Testament.
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Jane, you just got a minute and a half left.
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Just your final thoughts to encourage anyone who might be going through a trial and having
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a hard time grasping a good eternal perspective.
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Sure.
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Just don't give up on the eternal perspective.
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It's real.
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It's true.
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And even if your body and your feelings want to tell you it's not, don't give into that.
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Surround yourself with mature believers who can feed you the scriptures you need.
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Put them up on the walls if you have to read them out loud.
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I went through a time of reading scripture out loud in the house.
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It changes the air.
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If it's the word of God, it's going to change the air around you.
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You have to believe that.
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And so I would just encourage not to give up the persevere, but to know that God is not
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smaller than your circumstance.
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He's bigger.
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And he can get you through it or take care of it.
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That double-fisted faith that Shadrach Meshach and Abendigo had was whether, you know, I
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will walk through the fire and my God will be with me, right?
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But even if he isn't, I will not bow down to your idols.
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And that's it.
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That's it.
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Yeah.
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Praise God.
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The word is alive and active, sharper than any double edged sword.
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And faith comes by hearing.
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I like what you said about reading it out loud, getting it out there, speaking, scripture.
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Thank you, Jane.
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By the way, she's got a Facebook page.
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If you want to connect with her, you've got a one way right now for your profile, picture
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the one way sign.
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Yes.
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Jane L-L-E-D-O, Jane Ortiz Lito on Facebook and again, friends, their church.
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It's a first Baptist Beverly Hills, correct?
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Correct.
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All right.
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We appreciate your time, sister.
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Thank you.
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And give our love to Rob.
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I will.
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Thank you so much.
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Take care.
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Most, most welcome.
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Pray for them, friends.
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Rob and Jane Lito keep speaking the truth about things that matter.
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God bless you.