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Set 2: There's No "D" in "Etroit" (w/ Trey Wingo) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: Our buddy Trey Wingo joins us. The OG Football Show
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  Speaker 1: and the Wingo Network as well. All the bills are paid, Trey. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we're good.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Things seem to be working. Things are good, Stu. Thanks
• 0:22
  Speaker 3: very much.
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  Speaker 1: We've been asking this question for a long time. All
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: the way back to my days with Dan. We asked
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: it every single year. Are the Raiders for real? Trey,
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: are the Raiders for real?
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  Speaker 4: I think they're way better than I thought they were
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  Speaker 4: going to be this year. I thought they would make improvements.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't think they'd come out of the gate
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  Speaker 4: this strong. Now, I do feel like yesterday, or Sunday's
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  Speaker 4: game against the Chiefs, they kind of treated it like
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  Speaker 4: their Super Bowl. So now I'm curious to see what
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  Speaker 4: happens now. Because, you know, they held the ball for, what,
• 0:56
  Speaker 4: almost 10 more minutes? Yes. Her cousins threw for 360-plus
• 1:00
  Speaker 4: yards without a wide receiver. I mean, everyone knows it
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  Speaker 4: was going to the tight ends and the running backs,
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  Speaker 4: and they still got it to the tight ends and
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  Speaker 4: the running backs.
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  Speaker 3: But they got.
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  Speaker 4: Punched in the mouth by the best signing in the offseason,
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  Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker, and the Chiefs do what the Chiefs do.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, in the Patrick Mahomes era, when he starts,
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  Speaker 4: the Chiefs are 20-3. on the road in the AFC West.
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  Speaker 4: That is the best road division record.
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  Speaker 3: In NFL history.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think the Raiders are building in the right direction.
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  Speaker 4: I certainly feel better about the Raiders than I do
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  Speaker 4: the Chargers now, for sure. But if you look at
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  Speaker 4: their schedule going forward, the next four or five weeks
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  Speaker 4: will determine how good the Raiders really are.
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  Speaker 5: Trey, with that Raiders-Chiefs game, it felt like a ball-doesn't-lie
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  Speaker 5: scenario when Kirk Cousins throws that interception because the NFL,
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  Speaker 5: for some reason, didn't use replay assist on that big play.
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  Speaker 5: that moved the field for the Raiders. What would the
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  Speaker 5: narrative have been if they didn't review that and then
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  Speaker 5: the Raiders somehow went on to win that game?
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  Speaker 4: No, it would have been like, well, for example, let's
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  Speaker 4: put it this way. If they had ruled that correctly
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  Speaker 4: and it was clearly not a catch, all you would
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  Speaker 4: hear was, oh, there.
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  Speaker 3: Go the refs helping the Chiefs again.
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  Speaker 4: It's the most tired narrative that I can ever think
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  Speaker 4: of because, like you said, that ball was clearly not caught.
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  Speaker 4: And by the way, in another throw down the field, clearly,
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember if it was Royals or Tyquan Thornton
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  Speaker 4: before his ankle went away, no human ankle should go.
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  Speaker 3: There was clear interference, and they didn't call it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thankful that they didn't reverse it because at the
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  Speaker 4: end of the day, if they had that stupid, tired
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  Speaker 4: narrative of the refs helping the chief, which.
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  Speaker 3: Statistically is shown to be incorrect.
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  Speaker 4: In every way, every season would have resurrected itself. But
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  Speaker 4: I will say this, like I hate taking points off
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  Speaker 4: the board.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And Clint Kubiak did that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: On a fourth and a long, it was almost fourth
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  Speaker 3: and three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It was fourth and two and three quarters. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And the final score of that game was 30 to 27.
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  Speaker 4: Take the points. I do not understand this infatuation through
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  Speaker 4: the NFL with these guys that think a field goal
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  Speaker 4: is the Ebola virus. I do not understand it. And
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  Speaker 4: I just think it's going to eventually come back to
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  Speaker 4: haunt people like it did Sunday for Clint Kubiak.
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  Speaker 3: Take the points and we might be headed to overtime.
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  Speaker 1: Trey, with all that being said, the injury to the
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver, do you expect, because Drew Rosenhaus came out
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  Speaker 1: today and said he's going to start talking to teams
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  Speaker 1: about Tariq Hill, and by talking to teams, he means
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start talking to Andy Reid about Tariq Hill.
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  Speaker 1: Do you expect Tariq Hill to be in a Kansas
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  Speaker 1: City uniform next weekend?
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  Speaker 4: No, I don't think he's ready to play until November,
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  Speaker 4: but I think he will play for the Kansas City Chiefs. Look,
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  Speaker 4: when this all went down in the offseason, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: this was, everyone knew this was coming.
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  Speaker 3: At some point, the Chiefs are going to sign Tyreek Hill.
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  Speaker 4: And I think whenever they think he's healthy to play,
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  Speaker 4: and I think it will be towards the back end
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  Speaker 4: of October or if not November, he's absolutely going to
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  Speaker 4: sign with the Chiefs because I think it's the only
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  Speaker 4: place he wants to go. If you look at his
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  Speaker 4: social feeds, he's making it pretty– I mean, talk about
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  Speaker 4: a thirst trap. Tyreek's thirst trap for Kansas City is
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  Speaker 4: the way most people look at Kansas City barbecue.
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  Speaker 3: He is all in on this idea.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's great.
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  Speaker 4: Now, the bye comes at a good time for the
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  Speaker 4: Chiefs because I think Rashi Rice was just a slight
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  Speaker 4: hamstring pull, so I don't think there's any lingering questions
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  Speaker 4: about him going forward.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously, Thornton's going to be out sometime.
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  Speaker 4: The weirdest thing about that, I don't know if you
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  Speaker 4: read the recap, like, oh, a dislocated ankle. They popped
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  Speaker 4: it back in place, and he flew home with Kansas City.
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  Speaker 4: It's reminiscent of Tony Finau the first year he played
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  Speaker 4: at the Masters. He had a hole-in-one on the par-3 contest,
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  Speaker 4: running out of the thing, his ankle just goes, and
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  Speaker 4: he just popped it back in place and then went
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  Speaker 4: on to play four rounds and finished top 10 at
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  Speaker 4: the Masters. I think that Taekwon's going to miss some time,
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  Speaker 4: but I think that Rashi Rice is back, and you
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  Speaker 4: saw Xavier Worthy get involved.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, the Chiefs are still really good.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And the Kenneth Walker signing. You look at the numbers.
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  Speaker 3: The Kenneth Walker thing is ridiculous. He's on pace.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't think it's going to last, but he's
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  Speaker 4: on pace to break Eric Dickerson's single-season rushing record right now.
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  Speaker 3: Crazy, yes.
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  Speaker 4: He has the most rushing yards through five games than
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  Speaker 4: any running back anywhere over the last 15 years. And
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  Speaker 4: if the Chiefs have a running game, here's how much
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  Speaker 4: it helps Patrick Mahomes. Through four games, Patrick Mahomes is
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  Speaker 4: averaging 11.1 yards per attempt, which is number one in
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  Speaker 4: the NFL. Last season, he averaged five yards per attempt.
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  Speaker 4: that was worst in the NFL. That's what a running
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  Speaker 4: game does to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Trey, I feel like the biggest surprise this NFL or
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  Speaker 5: this past week was the Panthers winning on Sunday night
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  Speaker 5: football against the lions with the Panthers depleted secondary. Do
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  Speaker 5: you think Sunday night football taught us more about the
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  Speaker 5: Panthers or the lions?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it, I mean, look, I love the
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  Speaker 4: Panthers and you know, Bryce young leads the NFL in
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  Speaker 4: passing yards, which is not a thing I thought I
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  Speaker 4: would say four games into the season, but.
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  Speaker 3: I think it, Clearly tells us more about Detroit.
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  Speaker 4: And to give you some perspective on that, this is
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  Speaker 4: how bad Detroit has been. The most points per game
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  Speaker 4: allowed in a season in the last 40 years. The
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  Speaker 4: 2020 Lions, they averaged 32.4. The 2008 Lions, when they
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  Speaker 4: went 0-16, 32.3. The 2026 Lions, 31.8 through four games.
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  Speaker 4: Call them the E-Troit Lions because there is no D.
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  Speaker 4: There is no D in Detroit. And, like, for example,
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  Speaker 4: Jared Goff is the first quarterback ever to throw for
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  Speaker 4: over 1,200 yards and four touchdown passes and no interceptions
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  Speaker 4: and have a losing record. So if you're wondering why
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  Speaker 4: I never say quarterback wins is a stat, because he's
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  Speaker 4: doing great.
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  Speaker 3: There is nothing on the other side of the football.
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  Speaker 4: Not taking anything away from Teatro McMillan and everything that the–
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  Speaker 4: and Bryce Young and everything the Panthers are doing.
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  Speaker 3: There is no defense in Detroit.
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  Speaker 5: Zero.
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  Speaker 4: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor, put it on the poll, please.
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  Speaker 1: At Stigat790 on X, should we call the Detroit Lions
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  Speaker 1: the E-Troit Lions?
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  Speaker 2: I love it. Go ahead, Mikey.
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  Speaker 6: Trey, when you look at the standings, you see some
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  Speaker 6: familiar faces up at the top. But on the bottom,
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  Speaker 6: I'm looking at Houston, L.A., and Tampa all sitting at 0-4.
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  Speaker 6: Miami and Tennessee we kind of expected. Which one of
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  Speaker 6: those surprises you the most?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I would say Houston.
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  Speaker 4: I was not a huge– everyone was buying into the
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  Speaker 4: Chargers and this odd couple marriage between Jim Harbaugh and
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  Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, this is so great. No, it's a disaster. It's
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  Speaker 3: an absolute disaster.
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  Speaker 4: And, look, I thought the Chargers would be better, but
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  Speaker 4: I never thought they were going to be some sort
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  Speaker 4: of juggernaut. The Texans, I really thought, had a chance
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  Speaker 4: to be the number one seed in the AFC because
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  Speaker 4: of that defense. And that defense has been torched, absolutely destroyed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, CeeDee Lamb had 17 receptions. That's the most
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  Speaker 4: in Cowboys franchise history. And keep in mind, the Cowboys
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  Speaker 4: franchise has six Hall of Fame wide receivers on their roster.
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  Speaker 3: And he has the most against that Houston defense. Look, C.J.
• 8:05
  Speaker 4: Stroud is actually playing pretty well outside of the two
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  Speaker 4: fumbles in the game against Buffalo. If they win that
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  Speaker 4: game first week of the season, who knows how much
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  Speaker 4: different things are. But right now they're trying to do
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  Speaker 4: something the 92 Chargers have done. Start 0-4 and make
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  Speaker 4: the postseason. So I would say I really thought C.J.
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  Speaker 3: Stroud playing, betting on himself because he turned down that
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  Speaker 3: contract extension.
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  Speaker 4: And with the defense they had, if you would have
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  Speaker 4: told me they would have been 0-4, I would have said,
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  Speaker 4: not a chance in hell.
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  Speaker 3: That is the most surprising to me.
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  Speaker 1: Trey, I spent the entire week last week making fun
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  Speaker 1: of Drake May, that he forgot how to play football,
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  Speaker 1: the position of quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: He's lost all his confidence. He got it back in
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  Speaker 2: one week against Buffalo.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, kind of. Like, kind of.
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  Speaker 4: He played good, Trey. He played well. The interception was
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  Speaker 4: not his fault. I mean, that's on Romeo Dobbs. That
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  Speaker 4: ball just goes up in the air, and it's an
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  Speaker 4: easy interception. The fumble was on Drake. He played better,
• 8:59
  Speaker 4: but we need to see more of this. Actually, the
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  Speaker 4: bigger concern for me coming out of that game is
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  Speaker 4: as well as Josh Allen played the first two weeks,
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  Speaker 4: he has been turnover city the last two weeks. That's
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  Speaker 4: the most disappointing game to me this week was the
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  Speaker 4: way Buffalo just– they could have buried New England– they
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  Speaker 4: could have really staked their claim for the division and
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  Speaker 4: continued the, because.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when doubts creep in, it's like the yips
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  Speaker 3: and putting.
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  Speaker 4: Like, you don't want to stand over a ball and think,
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  Speaker 4: can I do this?
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  Speaker 3: Are you sure I can do this? I feel that
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  Speaker 3: every time I play.
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  Speaker 4: So I think if they had been able to somehow
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  Speaker 4: just pound Drake May into submission... Then we'd have a
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  Speaker 4: full crisis in New England. It's still not great, but
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  Speaker 4: it's better. But Buffalo, to lose that game at home,
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  Speaker 4: and Josh Allen, I think, has one touchdown and four
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  Speaker 4: turnovers or four interceptions in the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Buffalo's defense is a problem. They're going to score points,
• 9:56
  Speaker 4: but Buffalo's defense is officially a very big problem for
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  Speaker 4: the Bills. Bob?
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  Speaker 3: Did.
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  Speaker 2: New England avoided a full crisis. You're right. There is
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  Speaker 2: a full crisis going on right now in Philadelphia.
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  Speaker 3: Correct.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: They want Sirianni out. He's been to two Super Bowls.
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  Speaker 1: He's won two-thirds of his games, and no one is
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  Speaker 1: happy there.
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  Speaker 4: Well, two years ago, they started 2-2, and then they
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  Speaker 4: lost one game the rest of the way. But that's
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: with a healthy Saquon and a younger offensive line than
• 10:24
  Speaker 4: when you had Devontae Smith and A.J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown.
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  Speaker 2: A.J.
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  Speaker 3: Brown is now on IR in New England.
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  Speaker 4: Devontae Smith did not play yesterday, and Saquon went out early.
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  Speaker 4: You can't overlook that. The bigger issue for me is
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  Speaker 4: some of the decisions that they decided to make in
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  Speaker 4: that game. they should have gotten some points out of
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  Speaker 4: that drive late that would have made it a very
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: difficult game to come back on for the Rams.
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  Speaker 3: I think at one point– by the way, I hate
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  Speaker 3: this stat.
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  Speaker 4: They had a 2.5% chance to win, and then they
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  Speaker 4: somehow win.
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  Speaker 3: I see that all the time. They only had a 15%
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  Speaker 3: chance to win, and they win. That stat sucks. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: let's just throw that one out.
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  Speaker 4: That stat is the worst because every week, oh, my God,
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  Speaker 4: that team had a 90-something chance to win, and they lost.
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  Speaker 3: It is the worst metric of all time.
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  Speaker 4: But I think there was some serious questioning of the coaches'
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  Speaker 4: decisions and play calling.
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  Speaker 5: In that game.
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  Speaker 4: And then the Eagles set a franchise record that no
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  Speaker 4: one wants. They were 0 for 12 on third down.
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  Speaker 4: That's the worst in franchise history. They didn't convert a
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: single third down in that game. There are real problems,
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  Speaker 4: especially if Devontae Smith's going to be out. And remember,
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  Speaker 4: they were all in on, we said this before, I
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  Speaker 4: think with you guys, this is a big season.
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  Speaker 3: For Jalen Hurts. And they basically said, A.J.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: Brown, get the hell out of here. We're going to
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: believe in you and Devontae Smith and Saquon. And now
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  Speaker 4: Devontae was hurt. And Saquon has not been the same
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  Speaker 4: since that 2,000-yard season. And Jalen needs to be a
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  Speaker 4: little more proactive in his decision-making, for lack of a
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: better term. There were open receivers that he just didn't
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: see and miss. When you look at the tape, there
• 11:54
  Speaker 4: were a couple of throws that if he had found
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  Speaker 4: them right away, they were there for him.
• 11:58
  Speaker 3: He just didn't find them right away.
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: Trey, teams that start 4-0 have made the playoffs 100%
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: of the time since 2020. Are you buying the Vikings
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  Speaker 5: as a legitimate playoff team?
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  Speaker 4: I am because I'm not sure anybody else in that
• 12:13
  Speaker 4: division is really good. We just talked about Detroit. Green Bay,
• 12:18
  Speaker 4: I think, is a mess. It basically comes down to
• 12:21
  Speaker 4: Chicago and Minnesota. They've already won the road game in Chicago. Look,
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  Speaker 4: There's a number on them.
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  Speaker 3: I've got to find it. Hold on.
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  Speaker 4: But it goes to your point of just how crazy
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  Speaker 4: the stats are for what this team.
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  Speaker 3: Is able to do. I think it's right here.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: Let me find it. I know this is great theater here.
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  Speaker 1: No, it is.
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  Speaker 4: It is.
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  Speaker 2: No, I've been waiting. This is the Viking stat I've
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  Speaker 2: wanted my entire life. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: Where is it? They're like the first team ever.
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  Speaker 5: I think I have it if you want it.
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  Speaker 4: Win three games and have less than 250 yards of
• 12:58
  Speaker 4: total offense.
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  Speaker 3: It's insane how bad they are.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: How long ago, Taylor, could you have bailed Trey out there?
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  Speaker 3: Here it is.
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  Speaker 4: The Vikings are the second team in the last 90
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  Speaker 4: years to win three straight games in a season where
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: they score one or fewer scrimmage touchdowns across the three games.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is.
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  Speaker 4: The second team in 90 years to win three straight
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: games when scoring one or few scrimmage touchdowns. Brian Flores
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: is going to keep them in games. He blitzes at
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: about an 82% rate, which is insanity. But because I
• 13:26
  Speaker 4: think Detroit is not as good and Green Bay has
• 13:28
  Speaker 4: fallen apart, yeah, I can see the Vikings and the
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: Bears being the two teams that get in from the
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: NFC North.
• 13:35
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• 14:55
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• 14:57
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• 15:00
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• 15:03
  Speaker 2: So I ask.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: You, it's not a place I thought I'd stop at
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: this morning after a great football weekend, but is Kirk
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Cousins a Hall of Famer?
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: No.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: What?
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: No.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Trey.
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's even... I like Kirk a lot. Right.
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: He's a Hall of Famer in the terms of business. Okay. But, like,
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: for you, who is the ring counter of all ring counters.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Yes. Right? Yeah.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Show me with the postseason. You're right. Like, where is it?
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: I can't.
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Like, I love Kirk. He's been amazing. He's had longevity.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: He's smart. But, like, the results in the postseason are catastrophic.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: So that alone, I think, unless... Unless he wins the
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl this year, I don't think there's a chance
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: in hell he makes the postseason.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: The guy is one deep playoff run away from making
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: it to the Hall of Fame is what we're saying.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I'm saying I think he has a snowball's chance in
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: hell if he wins the postseason. He has a 0%
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: chance right now.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: 0% chance.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: The stats are good, though. Anyway, go ahead, Taylor.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: That's incredible.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yes. No wins in the postseason.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: You're right. Yes.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: Trey, can you help us settle another debate? Because last week,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: I think Mikey got caught up being prisoner of the
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: moment talking about Drake May. He said that the Broncos
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: wouldn't trade Bo Nix for Drake May straight up. And
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: it feels like now looking back on that, like you
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: take Drake May every time.
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. Wow.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. You think the Broncos say no.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: Listen, I like... Here's a number for you, okay? We'll
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: do this one. You'll like this, okay? This is another
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: interesting one for me.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Over the weekend, Joe Burrow, who we all agree is
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: one of the best quarterbacks in football, right? Yes. He
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: fell to 1-35 as a starting quarterback when his team
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: is trailing with eight minutes to play in.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: The fourth quarter. That's amazing. And you can say.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: you can say, well, you know, there's this and that
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. And the defense plays,
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: and I agree, all that kind of stuff matters, but
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: one in 35, like, you know, and he drove down
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: the field again and came up one yard short on
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: the fourth down play against the Jags. Put that in perspective.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Josh Allen is 15 and 42, uh, in those situations.
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: Now 15 and 43 after, after yesterday, Lamar Jackson is
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: now 11 and 33. Patrick Mahomes is 17 and 35.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: And Bo Nix is actually have a better, has a
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: better winning percentage. than all those guys in a much
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: smaller sample, but like Bo Nix. I mean, like I
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: saw something, but if I die, uh, bury me in
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: a Bo Nix Jersey, cause I might come back.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: I mean like that's, he has Bo Nix. I would not,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: I would not trade Drake Bo Nix for Drake May.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Not a chance.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: I'm sticking with Bo Nix.
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I can't believe that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Well, Taylor thought he had you. I thought I had
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: an ally because.
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: Nobody has been more railing against the ESPN win probability metric.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: So once you were on my side for there. That's
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: why I was kind of heat-checking, saying, oh, I know
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: Trey's going to be on my side.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Not a chance in hell. Not a snowball's chance in hell.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: The Patriots' schedule last season was the easiest since 1999.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: It was the easiest schedule in 26 years, and they
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: benefited from it. And look at the teams they played
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs. Playoff Justin Herbert, we all know how
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that goes.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: C.J.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Stroud was the next round, who had five fumbles and
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: five interceptions in two games. And then they got The
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Broncos with their backup quarterback with Bo Nix out. That
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: is the easiest run facing quarterbacks in the playoffs I've
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: ever seen anybody have to go up against. And they
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: benefited from it.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Hey, Taylor.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Hey, Taylor.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Straight facts, homie. Just saying. You, you're good.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Catch it on the Wingo Podcast Network. Trey, you do
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: a podcast, the OG football show with Damian Woody, who
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: is a good friend of Aaron Glenn. And I think
• 19:12
  Speaker 6: we have now seen everything we can possibly see from
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: Aaron Glenn as the Jets head coach.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I think we know what he is.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: I think he's got four wins in two years, and
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: you can blame the quarterback all you want, but he
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: lost to Tyson Bajent this week. Give me a reason
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: why he should stay as the Jets head coach.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he'll probably last the season, but to your point
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: about the Tyson Bajent thing, did you look at the numbers?
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: The Bears had 34 first downs. The Jets had 32 plays.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: They had more.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Had more first downs than the Jets had plays. It
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: was 89 plays to 32. How that game was only
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: 23 to 12, I have no idea.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Amazing.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I blame that on Tyson Bajent, quite frankly.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I think they had 37 first and goal– Goal line
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: plays in the first quarter alone. So I give the Jets'
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: defense a lot of credit, but there's just not a
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: lot going on. And Geno Smith, the sequel, the sequel
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: is not as good as Geno Smith, the sequel in Seattle.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: They're in many ways kind of like the Dolphins. Players
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: can't tank. Organizations can tank.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: Trey, the Jets had the ball for 45 seconds in
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: Outscored them.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: 45 seconds.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: They made the most out of those 45, though. I mean,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: we all like.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: To make the most out of those 45 seconds.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: Hey!
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Trey, I don't know. That long, huh?
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: Trey, I don't know if you follow. Matthew Perry, life
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of friends. That long, you can do it twice.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: Trey, I don't know if you follow Virginia Tech football,
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: but I think that's what the Jets should do, where
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: Virginia Tech had Brent Prye as their head coach. They
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: fire Brent Prye, they bring in James Franklin, and then
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Brent Prye's like, I might as well just stick around
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: as the defensive coordinator. I think that's what the Jets
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: should do. Fire Aaron Glenn as their head coach, but
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: let him stick around as the defensive coordinator.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: That's not a bad call. Look what Vance Joseph is
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: doing for the Broncos. Now, they lost yesterday, and it
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: was the first time they'd lost against an NFC team
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: in 11 straight games. But Vance Joseph was the Broncos
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: head coach and got fired and had the wherewithal and
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: the humility to go back and say, yeah, I'll be
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator. And, you know, they're only two and
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: two this year, but I think he's done a really
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: good job. So I don't see that as that problematic
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: of an issue. I just, a lot of people don't
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: have the ability to subjugate their ego in those situations.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think that's a bad idea at all.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Trey, we'll get you out of here on this note.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Final question here. Do we have to rethink the way
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: We look at Trevor Lawrence because he's playing awfully well,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: and so is that team.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: He is, and I think that's the best team that
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: nobody's talking about.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: You look at the teams that they've played. They've played
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: some really good teams so far this season.
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: And, you know, Cleveland looked like a lapdog.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: In week one, but Cleveland's turned out to be okay.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: I think the Jags are one of the more interesting teams, but,
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: you know, they're now going on their two weeks in
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: London where they become the Shaguars, and I don't know
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen there. I think they have very
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: few games in their home stadium over the next two
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: seasons because I think all next year they're going to
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: be in Orlando while they build their new stadium. So
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: they need to make the most of this season in
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: Duval County. And I give Liam Cohen a lot of credit.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: But again, Trevor is like Justin Herbert and Lamar Jackson
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: and Josh Allen. All this stuff is great in the
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: regular season. Now go do it in the postseason because
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: that's the biggest question mark for them.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, I lied.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: One more question. The Wingo Network, OG Football Show as well.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: By the way, tell Damian Woody to return our calls.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: We're trying to reach out to him. He's not happy
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: with me because I keep ripping Aaron Glenn, and so
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: does Mikey. So does Mikey A. But you love football.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You love the NFL. You love the history of the NFL.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Tonight's game is special, Trey. It's Saints and it's Falcons.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Just talk about the meaning of this game to the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: city of New Orleans because it's going to be a
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: special evening.
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, listen, this was 20 years after the first game
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: back in Hurricane Katrina. I don't know of any other
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: city that has a statue of a blocked punt outside
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: their stadium. When Steve Gleason, who, God bless him, is
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: still fighting ALS, blocked that punt and the whole city
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: just went crazy.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Amazing.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: That was one of the more emotional games I've ever
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: seen in my life.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: That place just.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Erupted 20 years later. To see that stadium still standing
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: is really the most amazing thing and the things that
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: happened in there and how the roof came off. To
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: see that city and to see that team rebound from that,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: and that was really the beginning of the golden era
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: of Drew Brees and Sean Payton there together. It's really fascinating,
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: and it's going to be a very, very interesting night.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: The Falcons come in on a major high. with the
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: way they played in that Thursday game against the Green
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Bay Packers and Bijan Robinson. But when that dome is rocking,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: that's as good of a home field advantage as you
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: have in the NFL. And emotions are going to be
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: a huge part of what happens tonight in New Orleans.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Trey, you can't bet against the Saints tonight, right? This
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: feels like one that the Superdome wins them.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, hell no.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: It would be un-American. Plus, it's the Falcons.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: The Falcons.
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: It's the Falcons. Let's just be honest. It's the Falcons.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Put it on the poll, Taylor.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Would betting on the Falcons be un-American tonight?
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I think so.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: No, I totally agree with you. OG Football Show, check
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: them out right there, the Wingo Network. We appreciate it, Trey.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Stop sweating the three-footers, man. Just go tap it in.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Come on.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: That's the plan, brother. That's the plan. I just got
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: to get shaky the moil out of here.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes. When you say that's the plan, that's the
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: plan in like 45 minutes, correct? Yes?
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: That is correct. It's a beautiful day.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Enjoy the game tonight. Thank you for doing this, Trey.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Anytime, guys. See you later. Go Bo Nicks!
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, Trey, what a letdown that was.