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The Barbie & Ken Killers, Part 1 · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, friends, it's Nicole.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Ben, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim.
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  Speaker 1: A true crime podcasting the following podcast maidens. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like now we have to start every episode that way
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  Speaker 1: because we've done it a couple of times.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, why not when you can.
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  Speaker 1: So we're on location today.
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  Speaker 2: On location. It's a very exotic location. Actually it's it's
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  Speaker 2: our basement, our basement. We are in a stupid heat
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  Speaker 2: wave right now, absolutely ridiculous, so hot. If anyone is
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  Speaker 2: in like Alberta, BC, and I'm probably assuming it's like
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  Speaker 2: in the Pacific Northwest in general right now, but we're
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  Speaker 2: we're northern BC and we're reaching like forty degrees celsius
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  Speaker 2: temperatures all fucking week a week.
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  Speaker 1: Which may be like normal to some people, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not normal for us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and for those in the fahrenheit realm, it's one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and four degrees fahrenheit that we're sitting in right now.
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  Speaker 1: Oh you look that up or do you just know?
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  Speaker 2: I looked it up because I wanted to be considerate
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  Speaker 2: of those in other places, namely the States, because I
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  Speaker 2: think they're the only ones to use fahrenheit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's very kind of you, Ben.
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  Speaker 2: I try, I try, probably not, but I.
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  Speaker 1: Feel like I've seen them post about like being one
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  Speaker 1: hundred degrees and stuff, and I thought the post made
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  Speaker 1: it seem like that wasn't very hot.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it's not very hot for some places,
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  Speaker 2: but it's hot as balls for us.
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  Speaker 1: So hot, like I'm pretty much just like you sit
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  Speaker 1: there and you're a sweat Well.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to a friend of mine online who
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  Speaker 2: lives in a Australia now it's complaining about the heat wave,
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  Speaker 2: and he's like, that's like normal heat for us. I'm like, dude,
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  Speaker 2: you have giant lizards and shit that go sunbathing. All
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  Speaker 2: of our animals have like four inches of fur because
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  Speaker 2: they don't freeze to death.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we have two little huskies and they're not doing.
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  Speaker 2: The but they're panting away right beside us. So if
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  Speaker 2: you hear some panting, it's either the dogs or us overheating.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably you probably Probably That's why I have the
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  Speaker 1: cold drink though. Yeah, I'm jelly.
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  Speaker 2: Are you going to drop the bomb about our other
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  Speaker 2: on location on what we're going to be doing soon?
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  Speaker 1: I'll aout you.
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  Speaker 2: You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you no.
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  Speaker 1: I do about Vancouver?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you do know, I do know. Okay, coming up
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  Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks, guys, we're going to Vancouver,
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  Speaker 2: just a little like a vacation trip, and we're going
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  Speaker 2: to check it our tiny home that's being built down
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  Speaker 2: there too, our tiny home. But we're taking extra time
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  Speaker 2: for vacation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
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  Speaker 2: But what's really cool is we managed to book a
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  Speaker 2: hotel that's usually like a little bit too expensive, but
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  Speaker 2: it was on sale, so we're like, let's let's book it.
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  Speaker 1: Booked.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing about this hotel is it's the Fair
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  Speaker 2: Mountain downtown Vancouver, known to be haunted by the Lady
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  Speaker 2: in Red.
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  Speaker 1: The Lady in Red.
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  Speaker 2: So while we're there staying at the haunted hotel, we
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  Speaker 2: are going to do a podcast episode based completely on
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  Speaker 2: the Lady.
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  Speaker 1: In Red, like in our hotel room. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, maybe she'll even join us.
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  Speaker 1: Oh if she joined, as you guys will never hear
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  Speaker 1: from you again.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be well, you'll hear me die on the spot
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  Speaker 2: of a heart attack. That's what's gonna happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be like I just feel like maybe
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  Speaker 1: talking about her too.
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  Speaker 2: Much might bring her to us.
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  Speaker 1: Could bring some unwonted attention.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and I do even have like I've got because
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  Speaker 2: I do videography stuff. I've got some camera gear, I've
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  Speaker 2: got some audio equipment that sort of thing. One of
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  Speaker 2: my cameras actually does have infrared on it.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe you'll see actually.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you'll even see some little ghost hunting stuff. Who knows,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see that, we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: But okay, but that's cool. It's gonna be cool. It's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be cool for us to get away and then
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  Speaker 1: also to do like a theme and the location stuff
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  Speaker 1: because we're always just in our house talking about these things, right,
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  Speaker 1: so it's gonna be awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and there's definite potential for us to do other
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  Speaker 2: location based ones as well.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, so it will be Yeah, we definitely will, especially
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  Speaker 1: with COVID.
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  Speaker 2: Using up a bit exactly, So expect some more of
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  Speaker 2: that coming down the pipe. Until then, though, let's rock
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  Speaker 2: this case within a cold episode today, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just gonna warn you guys. Okay, well, I
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  Speaker 1: actually have two warnings. One warning is it going to
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  Speaker 1: be a two parter, So I'm just throwing that out there.
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  Speaker 1: But that's cool, that's cool. You get two episodes. Wait, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I probably have to put it on a Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: So I'm on an asshole because you put it on
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday.
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  Speaker 2: People did like that when we did it last time.
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  Speaker 2: We came out with it pretty quick.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so it will be out the next day so
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to wait long. And I had thought about,
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  Speaker 1: like giving you guys a break because last episode was
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  Speaker 1: a bit heavy, Like Ben, you threw it on us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry that was a brutal episode, but.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't give you a break. This is actually a
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  Speaker 1: case wanted to do for quite a while, like since
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  Speaker 1: we first started, and I'm and we both decided to
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  Speaker 1: do these grewsome cases at the same time. So I apologize.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a true crime podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Deal with it.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get going. Yes, let's roll without further ado. Hey, okay, So,
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  Speaker 1: and we did drop a hint on Instagram. So this
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  Speaker 1: is the Barbie and Ken Killers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a few of you guys who knew it,
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  Speaker 2: like right r right away.
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  Speaker 1: So the Barbi and Ken Killers of Canada. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if there's them in other countries, but
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  Speaker 1: this is Canada. The case starts with Paul Bernardo. Paul
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  Speaker 1: was born on August twenty seventh, nineteen sixty four, in Toronto, Ontario.
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  Speaker 1: We also, I think we do a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: Backis cases do well, I think they're more populated and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe there's more density of population and living over there,
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  Speaker 2: so that's yeah, it's more bound to happen, I guess. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but you definitely do more of that because well, you
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  Speaker 2: stick to mostly cannadies countries.
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  Speaker 1: Canada, okay, commercial, Oh yeah, I do.
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  Speaker 2: Remember that, the history of Canada. Anyways, people probably don't
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  Speaker 2: know what we're talking aboutlet's.
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  Speaker 1: Keep remember that. As a kid. So he was the
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  Speaker 1: third child to be born into a wealthy yet dysfunctional family.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes with wealth may becomes dysfunction. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, I'm just throwing that out there. His parents
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  Speaker 1: were Kenneth and Marylyn. His father, coming from an abusive family,
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  Speaker 1: was also abusive to his family, including sexually abusing Paul's
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  Speaker 1: sister like his child, Yeah, that's fucked, And in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy five was charged with child molestation. So I kind
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  Speaker 1: of didn't know to say that there for a minute,
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  Speaker 1: fondling another young.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, I want to fondle my fist with his jaw.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Paul's dad sucks, Like that's just the first
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  Speaker 1: thing I'm thrown out there. Paul's mom, Marylynd, depressed obviously
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  Speaker 1: over her husband's abuse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine so.
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  Speaker 1: Withdrew herself from the family and lived in the basement
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  Speaker 1: of their home in Scarborough, which is eastern Ontario. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but like also, she could have been a badass and
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  Speaker 1: been like, fuck you, I'm taking my kids. But so
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  Speaker 1: she went in the basement. But that's okay, that's okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's good. I think she had mental issues.
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  Speaker 2: You went in a whole round about.
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  Speaker 1: I did, actually, uh somewhat unscathed by the home turmoil turmoil.
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  Speaker 1: Paul was described as always happy, He smiled a lot,
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  Speaker 1: He had cute little dimples and good looks.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so it's like a cute little kid. Did you
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  Speaker 2: have like a lot going for them? Do you know?
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  Speaker 2: Was he like smart in school? That sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say he was smart. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 1: he's an asshole.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, he's an asshole. He was a cute kid. He
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  Speaker 2: was an ass just an asshole.
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  Speaker 1: But he was described as the perfect child. Every parent
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  Speaker 1: wanted him. He was polite and oh and did well
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  Speaker 1: in school. Okay, so he did well in school.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, there we go.
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  Speaker 1: I did have that shit. I thought it was ugh
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  Speaker 1: never mind, I was to give away. So yeah, every
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  Speaker 1: parent was like wanted him as a kid. But but
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  Speaker 1: the grass ain't always greener on the other side of
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  Speaker 1: the fence, folks, because he had a dark side. That
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  Speaker 1: was a bruin.
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  Speaker 2: It was a bruin.
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  Speaker 1: It was a bruin like.
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  Speaker 2: A bad poo, like when you have McDonald's night before
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  Speaker 2: and you go to bed drunk and you wake up
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  Speaker 2: and you got the booze poos mixed with the mixshits.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's nasty visual.
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  Speaker 2: Visual you're visualizing it.
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  Speaker 1: I did visualize that, which is disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: It's been We've all been there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure everyone's probably been there.
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  Speaker 2: The booze poos. Gotta love them.
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  Speaker 1: So at the age of sixteen, Paul's mom and this
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  Speaker 1: was like a bomb, told him that she had an
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  Speaker 1: affair with a former boyfriend. Oh shit, and that Kenneth
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  Speaker 1: was actually not his biological follower.
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  Speaker 2: Shit. Well, I mean, if your husband's like straight up
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  Speaker 2: molesting your children and being abusive and.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, you actually would probably almost want to celebrate that
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  Speaker 1: shit if that wasn't no, if that wasn't your dad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you might celebrate your husband doing that shit.
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  Speaker 1: No no, no, no, Like if you found out that
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  Speaker 1: wasn't your dad, Yeah, maybe you'd be like halla, he
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  Speaker 1: would celebrate that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about the perspective of the mother. Yeah, she
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  Speaker 2: finds out that her husband's doing this not only to
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  Speaker 2: her but her kids, and this sort of stuff, I
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  Speaker 2: would definitely seek out, like some relations with some other person,
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  Speaker 2: and like I need love and compassion and someone to
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  Speaker 2: be with because like, I'm just in this dark place.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I know not that you should go cheat
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  Speaker 2: on your fucking husband or wife, but she if anybody
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  Speaker 2: has a reason to, she definitely has one for sure.
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  Speaker 1: And they had gotten a particular bad argument that night,
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  Speaker 1: like the moment Paul's mom and dad, and that's when
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  Speaker 1: she told Paul.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I thought you were going to say she
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  Speaker 2: got in the bad argument and then went and got
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  Speaker 2: pregnant with no, fuck you, I'm gonna go fuck my boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: That could be though, But Paul didn't really take this
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  Speaker 1: that well because he began calling his mom a slob
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  Speaker 1: and a were apparently disgusted by her.
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  Speaker 2: Really, yeah, how old is he at this point?
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  Speaker 1: Sixteen? And calling his mom like a whore?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: That's strike one of this guy being a complete asshole.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's strike one. You should shut the
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  Speaker 2: fuck up. What a douche canoe?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh you just you wait, Ben, if you think
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  Speaker 1: that's bad. This guy? Who who? Okay, who.
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  Speaker 2: Is that it?
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  Speaker 1: Paul graduated from Sir Wilford Lawyer, Lawyer Lawyerierer Laurier Laarier
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  Speaker 1: College Institute.
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: So Sir Wilfrid Laurier that was the college historical individual.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember who that was.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anyways, okay, continue, And.
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  Speaker 1: He worked for Amway. Do you know what Amway is?
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  Speaker 1: How to look this up is no idea.
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  Speaker 2: I know there's the local aim High. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if that's like the thing around Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So it's a multi level marketing company that sells health,
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  Speaker 1: beauty and home care products.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: And this sales culture had a deep effect on Paul.
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  Speaker 1: He purchased books and tapes of famous motivational get rich
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  Speaker 1: and famous experts. Oh God, and him and his friends
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  Speaker 1: would practice their techniques on young women that they met
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  Speaker 1: in bars, apparently being very successful. Oh god, like that's weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's literally building up a slimy fucking personality. You
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  Speaker 2: picture the epitome of like a used car salesman. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I'm picturing with him already.
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  Speaker 1: Yeahs not all used car salesman, That's what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like the epitome of like what you think the stereotype.
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  Speaker 2: Stereotype. There you go, that's what I mean. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like when you watch Matilda and Dad. Yes, I
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: don't know if people know what Matilda's it was.
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  Speaker 2: Danny DeVito. He did a great job.
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  Speaker 1: He did a really good job. He acted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Fun fact, I actually met Matilda the actress and got
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  Speaker 2: Nicole signed DVD of that want.
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually obsessed with Matilda. You guys are learning a
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  Speaker 1: lot of it.
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  Speaker 2: If you guys don't ever go to comic cons, you
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  Speaker 2: can experience some really cool shit. I'm just dropping this now.
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  Speaker 2: I met so many awesome actors and actress. I met
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  Speaker 2: Stand fucking Lee a comic con.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he since passed, right.
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  Speaker 2: He has. Yeah, So go to comic con, kids, comic con,
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  Speaker 2: do comic con not drugs.
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  Speaker 1: By the time, Paul attended university. So he attended the
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  Speaker 1: University of Toronto. Scarco Scarborough, Scarborough, Scarborough, sorry scar barrel, scarbarrel, barrow,
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  Speaker 1: barrow scarbarrow.
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  Speaker 2: How's it spelt with a G to the end?
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  Speaker 1: I did look this up and I knew I was
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  Speaker 1: like going to fuck it up each time scar and
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  Speaker 1: then b O r O U g h Scarborough Scarborough.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where I know that word from these
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  Speaker 2: words I've heard them.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like a suburb of Toronto basically. Okay, So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he was attending He's attending university, and he had developed
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  Speaker 1: some dark sexual fantasies and enjoyed humiliating women in public
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  Speaker 1: and physically abusing women he dated what a dick. He
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  Speaker 1: saw women as sexual objects rather than people solely there
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  Speaker 1: for the gratification of men.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like a lot of people these
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  Speaker 2: days are not far off from that description, which is
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  Speaker 2: fucking pathetic.
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  Speaker 1: I think. I don't think so well.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's just people being outed in
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  Speaker 2: their stories because social media is a little more prevalent,
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  Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, but people like that just make me sick, Like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: people are people.
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  Speaker 1: There's that line right there makes me almost want to
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  Speaker 1: like vomit.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no if you're fucking age, sex, gender, whatever
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  Speaker 2: the fuck, you're a person. I don't fucking look down
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  Speaker 2: on anyone else. If you look down on other people,
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  Speaker 2: I will look down on you for that. Seriously.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one, this seems obvious, but he was also obsessed
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  Speaker 1: with his appearance. He spent a lot of time checking
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  Speaker 1: himself out in the mirror. The vibe he was going
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  Speaker 1: for was California beach Boy, and enjoyed how his appearance
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  Speaker 1: fooled people. Is that funny? I'm sorry, Oh my god.
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  Speaker 2: Who would go for California beach boy? Why don't you
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  Speaker 2: just go for being a person?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, careful man, we have a lot of California listeners.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like that vibe is good.
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  Speaker 2: If you end up with that vibe, there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 2: with that. But why would you try for that vibe?
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  Speaker 1: And that is kind of like the Barbie Doll Can vibe,
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  Speaker 1: isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Because they're all like Malibu. It was Malibu. Is
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  Speaker 2: that California or Florida? That's Florida, right.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's California.
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  Speaker 2: It's either east or West coast. Our geographic geography is terrible.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have to look that one up, Malibu.
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  Speaker 2: Continue. I'm going to look it up on my phone
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  Speaker 2: right now because I feel terrible for not knowing where
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  Speaker 2: that is.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So I was just saying, though he enjoyed how
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  Speaker 1: his appearance fooled people. He was sweet on the outside
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  Speaker 1: it's California and angry on the inside what he called
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  Speaker 1: deadly innocence.
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  Speaker 2: What a deadly douche bag?
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  Speaker 1: Is it California?
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  Speaker 2: It's California.
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  Speaker 1: I was right. We should have just gone with that
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: because I'm usually right.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, oh, you really want to go down this path?
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  Speaker 2: Because you know I am right.
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  Speaker 1: Way more I know you totally are, okay. So May
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  Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty seven is when Paul began acting out
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: his sexual fantasies by brutally raping women in skull barrel
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  Speaker 1: at the age of twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck this guy's trash.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man, like I gotta look here. He committed multiple
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  Speaker 1: sexual assaults, escalating in viciousness, attacking most of his victims
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  Speaker 1: after stalking them as they got off buses in the
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  Speaker 1: late evening.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting, I mean, I understand it at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. But it's interesting how that works. It's
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  Speaker 2: like anyone who does like multiple killings or assaults, like
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  Speaker 2: a serial rapist kill or whatever, they always like test
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  Speaker 2: the waters. They start small, and they work their way
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, and then it always or generally always
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: most times ends up biting them in their ass because
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: they get too confident in it and they just go
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: over and then that's when they get caught, you know.
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I know, because like they pretty much always get caught,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: like you get caught.
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah there. I mean, there are some killers out there,
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: like Jack the Ripper, for example, he never got caught.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: We don't know who he is to this day.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: But the majority get caught.
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: Majority do. But it's always the same story. It's they
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: test the waters a little bit, whether it's even just
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: straight out starting with murder, but they will cover their
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: tracks very well, and then they'll start okay, maybe going
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: a little more prominent in the afternoon rather than that night,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: or leaving some more evidence behind, not worrying too much.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: If he did stick to this mL for quite a while,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: he did, okay, Okay, So on May fourth, May the
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: fourth be with you.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I love you.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: His first victim was twenty one, was a twenty one
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: year old woman who he followed home and raped in
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: front of her parents house, and the attack lasted more
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: than half an hour.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: In front of the house like in public.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Well it was night right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Still, I'm pretty sure she's making a racket, I know.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: And we'll get through. We'll get some some did. Just
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: calm those titties. This is the first one.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: My titties are flailing around, and let them flail free
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: the nip.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not wearing a brakay, okay, so not very long Later,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: on May fourteenth, nineteen eighty seven, he raped a nineteen
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: year old in the backyard of her parents' house and
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: that attack lasted over an hour what like And that's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: just like I don't know, I guess I envisioned like
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: attacks being like five ten minutes.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're really painting a bad picture for
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: her audience here.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: That's not what I mean. But it's like generally, it's
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: like you're probably like going as quick as possible, not
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: wanting to get caught, but like he like prolonged the
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: freaking shit.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Our attacks generally lasts a lot longer than.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Put your ego aside. We're talking about the case.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Here, No yeat that makes sense.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a long bucket time.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure like someone who's into that sort of thing,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: whatever their mindset is, they're probably getting off on the attack,
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: So it would probably help heighten the experience and they
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: probably would nut sooner.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: But it's it's just nasty or they might have, like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: a few times, I don't know. On July seventeenth, nineteen
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: eighty seven, he attempted to rape a young woman. He
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: beat her up, but a bandit the attack when she
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: fought back, So it's like, there you go. She fought
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: back enough.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Always fight back.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, Yeah, as much fight back.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: And make as much noise as you can go for.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: And this is coming from like I have a martial
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: arts background, did for like ten years. Yeah, go for
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the eyes, the throat, the nose, the mouth, the balls,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: any sort of soft spot ears. Don't try and run.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Fight because a lot of these people did fight or
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: like make it raucous and they got and they got away.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: That's that's how you do it. If you try and run,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: it leaves an opening for them to keep attacking you. Yeah,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: if you fight and hit him in soft spots. They're
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: gonna be hurt. They're gonna be worried about other people
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: getting drawn attention in yeah, and they will run. That's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: what you want to do.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: So yeah, that what that lady got away, thank god.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: On September twenty, nineteen eighty seven, he attempted to rape
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old like I'm like, that's so freaking young.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: He broke into her house, jumped on her, put her
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: his hand over her mouth, threatened her with a knife,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: but was interrupted by the girl's screaming mother and fled
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the scene. Unfortunately, though, nineteen year old Anthony Haymaker Haymayer
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: was convicted of the sexual song Oh no, served a
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: sixteen month person sentence suck.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: So did was that the full sentence he served and
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: then he got out or did they realize it wasn't.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: They served the full sentence fuck, which actually sixteen months
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: isn't like very long. I mean, it was only he
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: didn't like get the rape in or anything. But yeah,
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: so someone else paid for his.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I wonder if there's any retribution for that if because
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: clearly they found out it was.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think there is. When people are
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: wrongly convicted. There totally is well.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: There should be is the thing? But if there usually
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: is another question?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay. So next came Carla Homoka, but she was
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: not a rape victim. That name sounds familiar. In October
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: of nineteen eighty seven, Paul would meet Karl at a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: restaurant in Scarborough Barbie while she was there attending a convention.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Is a comic con?
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: No? I think it was like a pet convention.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Okay, good, okay good. If it was comic con, I
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: would have to like retake back those words.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: We were like, oh ah, don't go to kids, I asked.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: They were sexually attracted to each other, almost immediately having
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sex that night in the hotel room. Carla was born
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: on May fourth, nineteen seventy. I'm just going to talk
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a little bit about her, Okay, let's hear it. The
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: oldest child. Have a family of three girls. They lived
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in Saint Catharine's, Ontario, a little over an hour from Toronto.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Carla was a very bright young girl, scoring in the
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: gifted slash bit.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, I said slash, You said the slash.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: You actually said the slash.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. I mean some people do say slash,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: she would actually, but like if I dashes now, everybody
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like dash start a new sentence, Dash, start a new sentence.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Carla was a bitch, period. Paul was an ass period.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, so she was gifted. She scored a like Okay,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: whoa where am I here? Backtracking in scoring in the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: gifted very advanced classification on an IQ test in elementary school.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: So she was like very bright.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, she had a bright future ahead of her, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: she threw it all aways.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: What you're telling us pretty much, she was a very
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: eager and good student, a perfectionist who wanted to please
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: the authorities in her life. She was also very good looking,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: with long blonde hair and a girly girl who fantasized
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: about having the perfect husband, like her Barbie doll Ken,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: who she played with as a child.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Hold On, are you describing you smart one girl, long
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: blonde hair.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's about marrying Ken.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Well, instead, you got like a fucking bearded dude with.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I know, was there a bearded Barbie? Maybe there is
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: now a bearded Ken.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, lumberjack Ken.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: So and I did paint her like looking pretty good,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: but she did have like some issues that I didn't
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: even put in here, but I also felt like they
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: maybe were normal child EXPLOREDI of things like some of
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: her playmates or her friends said that when they came
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: over to her house and they were like playing barbies,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: she was very controlling and if if the barbies didn't
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: do what she wanted to do, then she put the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: game away.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: But I mean, like that's that's just yeah.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: One thing that was kind of fucked up, especially since
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: she likes animals. They did like a they made a
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: parachute thing for a hamster and like through out the window.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Really, oh my god, that poor hamster. I know, Okay,
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: can we just have like a rest in peace for
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: all the hamsters out there who've died.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: So they knocked like kids. Maybe I don't know, but
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: so it did clonk a little and then apparently died
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: like a few weeks later. It actually lasted, like didn't
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: die instantly.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It also because how many stories have you heard where
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, my hamster got sucked up in the vacuum,
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I dropped the cage on it, I stepped down, my
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: dog got it. Like these poor hamsters, like they must die.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: The most gruesome death of any in the world.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Oh not my hamster. My hamster was like king. It
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: lasted so long too. And I remember like when we
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: would go on vacation, I would have like a calendar
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: and I would set out all the meals that this
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you told me about get And but I bet you anything.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: My dad just gave it whatever.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Probably probably forgot to feed it sometimes.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so the hamster did die and then she
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: later like buried like unburied it or dug it up
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: to see like how it they composed? Is that weird?
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: That's probably a bit weird.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: That's a bit weird. I mean curiosity is another thing though, Yeah.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Like a young girl just like because kids are curious,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they do weird things sometimes.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that there's half that's really fucked up half.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I mean kids are fucked up in their nature anyways.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: So yeah, So anyway, she I painted her pretty good.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I think she's mostly like pretty good, but she did
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: have like a dark side to her.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: So at the time of meeting Paul, Carla was in
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: her graduating year of high school and working part time
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: at a pet shop. After graduation in nineteen eighty eight,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: she was hired to work as a veterinarian assistant. So
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: she did like animals?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Is this going to get like darker where she really
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: likes to investigate like a mammals?
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And thank god, I probably wouldn't be talking about it.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Thought she's going to start doing like some weird autopsy
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: shit behind the scenes.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Okay, so after introducing her, we get to go back
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: to Paul's rap sheet.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's hear more about this. There's a lot
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: of words that crossed my mind, none of them more
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: suitable that I should say, So I'll just go back
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: to douche canoe. Let's hear more about this, douche Canoe.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: So being in a relationship with Carla didn't slow Paul down.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Unlike other women Paul had met, Carla had a dark
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: side and encouraged Paul's sadistic sexual behavior. Oh gross, So
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: like fuel on the fire? Really right, you gotta.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Can't keep it between you two, but don't like yeah consent?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: So yes that is Look at we're just teaching everyone
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: so much shit this episode.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Right, Welcome to Wickeding Grim. This is your your lesson
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: in not to be a douchebag.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: And how to get rid of a fuck tart the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: fuck tart, love it okay. On December sixteen, nineteen eighty seven,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: he raped a fifteen year old girl. This was his
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: third rape, being that two I had mentioned earlier were
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: just like got interrupted, right, so there more I guess attempts.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: This third rape caused the Toronto Police to issue a
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: warning to women in Scarborough traveling alone at nights, but
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: especially those riding buses. So his work was getting noticed.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Right, So all these so far were still individuals getting
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: off of.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: A bus, right, Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So on December
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: twenty third, nineteen eighty seven, he raped a seventeen year
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: old girl with a knife that he used to threaten
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: his victims. So like, he raped her with the knife.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So like he he didn't like hold the knife up
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: to his throat and say like I'm going to rape you,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: and he penetrated her. He took the knife and penetrated
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: her with the knife.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's I thought that it was the first one,
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and I kind of was hopeful that it was, but
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: then I dug deeper and it wasn't.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: That is fucked up.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, super fucked like super that's.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Reminiscent of the last case A little bit.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Actually, it actually makes you squirm in your seat a little.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't even have that anatomy and I can
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: almost feel it.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep. At this point he began to be known
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: as the Scarborough rapist, is the Scarborough fucked hard. He
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: got a nickname four months, always get a nickname. Always
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: He's a lot of nicknames. Actually. Four months later, on
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: April eighteenth, nineteeny eight, he attacked a seventeen year old
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: girl in an assault that lasted forty five minutes. On
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: May twenty fifth, nineteen eighty eight, Paul was almost caught.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: A uniformed Metro Toronto investigator staking out a bus stage
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: shelter noticed Paul hiding under a tree and pursued him
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: on foot, but Paul was able to escape.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Shit, they were gosh.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: It's been amazing if they caught him at that moment.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: They were literally like out looking for him, as oh.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then, oh yeah totally. I mean it wouldn't be
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: amazing because he already ACKed up a few people's lives,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: but like he's about to f up a lot more so.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Five days later, on May thirtieth, eighty eight, he raped
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: an eighteen year old woman in mississaugu mississaugu Ontario, Mississauga.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I think is how you say it?
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's our ooh with how I always put ooh
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: with you in which is about forty kilometers southwest of
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: of Scarborough. On October fourth, he attempted to rape another victim,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: but she fought off. She's a badass, fought off and
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: only needed twelve stitches, which is still like really shitty,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: but like it could have been a hell of a
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: lot worse than like years of counsel counseling.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Right, that's what happens when you fight. You might get
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: some stitches or something like that, but you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Get away, but not necessarily because depending on their their
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: size too, like he might have been able to like
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: you might not have been able to get away, right there.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Size means nothing if you dig your thumb in their eye.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Just saying, just saying, I guess well, I'm just saying
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: other victims they may have tried, right, yes.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The next month, on November sixteenth, he raped an eighteen
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: year old in the parents in the background of her
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: parents' house. The next day, the Metro Police formed a
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: task force to capture the scar Barrel rapist.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: So how many rapes are we up to now? Is
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: that six or seven?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but at one point I do count
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: them again. Okay, okay, I'd have to go back and count.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: It's okay if you count them again.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell lists a few, like yeah, I think
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: he gets up to like twelve.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: I can wait, wow, wow, wait to drop that least?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Fuck well, like, yeah, I'm just stopping. On December twenty seventh,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: two days after Christmas, Paul attempted another rape, but was
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: chased off by a neighbor.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: That's the shittiest package you want to receive on Christmas?
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I know, wow, Like shit, sorry that neighbor.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: It was a bad joke.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It was a really bad joke. And I'm not even
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: going to go into that six months.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Later, like the glare you just he gave me.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Six months later, on June twentieth, nineteen eighty nine, he
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was at it again. He attempted to rape a young woman,
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: but she fought back and her screams alerted neighbors. Paul
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: got away, but he had scratches on his face from her.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: That's good, an identifying thing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, that didn't do anything.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Fuck I was hoping.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: On August fifteenth, Paul committed his eighth there we go,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: eighth rape a twenty two year old woman. He had
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: stalked her the previous night from outside her apartment window
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and waited for her to arrive home, then attacked her.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: And this attack lasted for two hours. Jesus, Oh, like
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: that's just like like like.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Laugh, Oh that sucks.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: On November forty four days though, that's true. On November
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: twenty first, he raped a fifteen year old girl he
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: saw on a bus shelter. That attack lasted forty five minutes.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Fox sakes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I almost feel like I don't want to say how
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: long they lasted, but I have it in her soul.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Say yeah, let us know.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: One month later, on December twenty second, nineteen, we're still
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty nine, he had his tenth rape. He
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: attacked Sorry, I was like, where am i? He attacked
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: a nineteen year old in a stairwell of an underground
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: parking lot. And two days after that rape, he proposed
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: to Carla, and maybe they became engaged on a romantic
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: trip to Niagara Falls.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: And she knows about all these, doesn't she?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: No?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Oh she doesn't.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. So I don't. Yeah, I don't
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: like her, so I think that she probably had a suspicion.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Okay, this is this is a bit of a fucked
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: up case. Are you going to drink that white clock
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: because I think I need it?
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Do you want it?
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, Ben, you've already finished a nude now you're.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: On Yes, give me the alcohol. I need it.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Wow. I was saving that for later, but I guess
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I'm out mine.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Now you have wine, you have lots of booze. You're good.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. So with Paul living in Scarbear, Scarborough, Scarborough, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: feel bad one fine, and Carla living in Saint Catharine's,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: which was like an hour and a half away. The
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: distance was getting in the way of the relationship, so
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: they that's I think that was one reason why they
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: kind of took it to the next level.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotcha.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: Being a newly engaged man, however, did not stop Paul.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: He's unstoppable, and on May twenty sixth, nineteen ninety, he
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: was at it again and raped a nineteen year old woman.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: This rape lasted over an hour, but it was different.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: It was different.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: His victim had a vivid recollection of him, which enabled
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: police to create a computer composite portrait of Paul, which
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: was released two days later and published in Toronto and
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: area newspapers.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: So there was no physical description of what he looked
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: like prior to this. None of his victims remember really yeah, wow, so.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I know, and I never said anything about him wearing
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: a mask or anything.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if it's just like traumatic and.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: This just blocking like the attempted ones. Yeah, so this
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: was like the first one where they were like able
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to like get a portrait out there.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Well, good on her for having that memory of that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: I know, because she was actually like got raved like
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it wasn't an attempt or anything. And there was also
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: a ward of one hundred and fifty thousand for information
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: that could lead to the rest of him. So from
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: May to September of nineteen ninety, police submitted more than
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty suspects samples for DNA testing. Like
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: that's a block. Apparently there are voluntary samples which I
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: didn't put in here, but because I think that's really
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: fucked up, because like if you're volunteering, volunteering, then like
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's probably not you, but Paul. At
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: one point did put.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: A sample into he did, oh shit, but it probably
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: didn't get idea though or something.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We'll get there, okay, So they had they got a
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: shit to the samples basically, and they also received two
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: reports that the person they were searching for was Paul
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: and Liz is going to piss you off. The first
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: came in June and had been called in by a
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: bank employee blah blah, but the second Paul, was received
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: from a wife of one of Paul's closest friends. Really,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: she told detectives that Paul had been called in on
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: a previous rape investigation in December of nineteen eighty seven,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: but had never been interviewed. She also mentioned that Paul
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: frequently talked about his sex life to his husband and
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: liked rough sex and anal sex. However, apparently her phrasing
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: was awkward and consequently left detectives unsure of whether to
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: take her seriously. Why but there's more, Oh my god, okay,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: But after cross checking several files, the detectives did decide
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: to interview Paul Good. The interview was on November twentieth,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety lasted thirty five minutes, with Paul voluntarily giving
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a sample for forensic testing. The detective did ask Paul
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: why he thought he was being investigated for the rapes,
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: and he admitted that he did resemble the portrait. So
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: he admitted that the detectives concluded that such a well educated, fucking,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: well adjusted young man couldn't possibly be responsible for vicious crimes,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: and he was far more credible than the wife who
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: had called in with her awkward, strange way of speaking,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and that person may have just been trying to collect
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: the reward.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: That's fucked up.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's so bullshit. She was probably nervous as
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: fucked call in because like he was, probably like her friend.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like you're calling in, you're talking about all
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: this awkward shit people, you don't know, Like, it's a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: fucking weird situation.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I would be sweating, Like my palms would be sweaty,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, palm sweating, knees, weak arms are heavy, involving on
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: your sweater already. It's mom spaghetti like, yeah, definitely, what
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: the frig.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh my goodness, that makes me really angry. So
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Paul was released and his DNA sample was put in
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the pool of other DNA samples to be tested. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in the nineties, DNA tests were not a quick process.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Okay, you just painted a really bad oy.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Not all in the same I know.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: But the whole time you've been saying samples, and every
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: time you said samples, I just I'm picturing these vials,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: and then you said put in the pool, and now
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: I'm picturing a pool of it, just a big lummy
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: pool of semen.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Yum.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: No, that does not sound yummy. That sounds really gross.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Because that would have been what the samples were, right.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I would assume, because I would assume they're collecting semen samples.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because like, yeah, blood wouldn't necessarily work, so I
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: would assume they're matching samples. I just got a lot
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: of nasty visuals. Enjoy those, people, Sorry, enjoy them.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: You're the one who said pool of samples.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, see you ready for some marstria, I guess. So
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: the next part to Paul and Carla's story is even
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: less fun than what I've already talked about.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Oh here we go. I need to.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Portray yourself like you might need another fucking white claw.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: One good thing is that the Scarborough rape stopped, But
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: This was because after the interview, Paul went to live
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: with Carla at her parents' house in Saint Catherine's before
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: they would find a home of their own. But but Carla,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: being the oldest child of the family, had younger sisters.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Fuck sakes.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, you can use your imagination.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, did, and she did nothing.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Well just wait, babe, just wait. This is a rocky
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: ride and we're gonna wrap it up here this first.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Episode pretty quick, sakes, Okay.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: At this point in time, Paul's relationship with Carla would
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: all intensify. She would actively let him indulge in his
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: violent fantasies with her, but this would often lead to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: her being beaten.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Really, and she doesn't do shit well. Remember, she's kind
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: of fucked up too, I guess, so she enjoys it rough.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: I guess some people do well.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: At the beginning too. Like remember she likes please authority.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: She might have thought that Paul was like authority. It's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: like she's fucked up to. Paul would also make remarks
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to car Carla that she was used goods since he
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: wasn't her first sexual partner. This made Carla.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Panic And what does that make him?
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Oh? I know he's nastic goods.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He's fucking goodwill shit down at the corner. That's not
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: selling the dumpster in the back.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But this made Carla panic. She couldn't possibly lose her
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Ken in quotation, right.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, were they identifying themselves as Ken?
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. Okay, good, but they're just like attractive,
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: like and they had this this two lives basically right
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: to the public. They were like just perfect and then
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: like they look like Barbie Ken, Like they're just perfect.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I was just really hoping they didn't give themselves that name.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think Okay, I don't think so. So, yeah,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: she didn't want to lose Ken, so what she would
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: offer next is unthinkable. She offered him her own little
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: sisters as a Christmas present.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: As a Christmas present?
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: What the fuck?
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: What the actual fuck?
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's a whole I like, I was researching
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: this and I knew the case was pretty bad, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I was also like, oh shit, do I like want
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: to keep researching this? But it happened. It's a pretty
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: popular or famous case. A lot of people know about it,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: so we're doing it. But yeah, Carla and is a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: motherfucker too.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I want to say one thing though, so far, I
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: almost feel bad for Carla because she's just so love
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: struck by this fucking filth of a human being that
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: she's willing to do anything.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I feel like it was like mutual, like
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: he was pretty into her too. Well I'm sure he is,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but he has like he's a sex problem. Really, but
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: what you.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Just, as far as I am unwrapping what you just
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: told me, she's doing this so he stays with her.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: He's giving her a gift. Yeah, there was, there was
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I'm a gift. What did I say?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: He's giving her a gift?
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, what you said?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Okay? What I said? Okay?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I don't when am I talking about this? Am I
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: talking about this at this point? I don't know. I
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: think I might know. I think it might be next episode.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: But like there was some issues between Arla and Tam Tammy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: I don't even know if I've said her name anyway, anyway.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: So her Tammy? Yes, Okay, But still, as far as
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: I can gather, I think she's just so pressured by
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: losing him or.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: The idea of her because pretty soon I'm about to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: say one next sentence that makes her looks like a
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: piece of shit too.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's hear that piece of shit sentence.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe her like, what's going on? Are they fighting?
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Maybe our dogs? That is weird?
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Okay? And then you had kind of asked us earlier,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: but Carla was not fully aware at the time that
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Paul was the Scar Scar Barrel rapist. Yeah, but I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: feel like she had to have some sort of suspicion
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: right to even like think about offering up her sisters.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I would think so, right.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Like, And then Paul had also apparently asked her at
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: one point what she would think if he was the
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: Scar Scarbarol rapist, and she said that would be cool. What, Yeah,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that would be cool?
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Fuck her, never mind, never mind, she can just
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: fucking burn like.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: That's weird, right it is.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean, she's just so wound up
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: in him she's gonna do anything. Not that she's not
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: a piece of shit, she clearly is, but she's just
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: so captivated and wound up in being with this fucking
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: loser that she's willing to do anything.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. So anyway, basically
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: we're stopping. Fuck, we know that Paul's next victim is Tammy,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: which is Carla's little sister, which is real fucked.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Oh see, I thought Carla already happened. You're gonna go
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: into detail with this, Okay, what do you.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Mean Tammy or Tammy?
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Sorry?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Oh no, there's some detail.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And the next the next victims, there's some detail.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: It's I'm gonna need whiskey.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: So we need to maybe go to the liquor store
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to stalk up Them's more white clothes for you.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna need whiskey for this. White claws ain't
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: gonna cut it anyway.
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: So there's part one. Part two will be out on Wednesday,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: and just prepare yourselves.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: It makes sure you stay wicked.