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#2191 Why Are More Young People Getting Cancer? - David Gillespie · The You Project

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Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook David James, Kevin, Patrick Gillespie, Craig Anthony
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Speaker 1: Harper in The Harp of Dome Gone Live from the
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Speaker 1: harp Dome Tip over there in Cooktown.
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Speaker 2: How are you.
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Speaker 3: Cookie living the drain Buddy living? We do have a
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Speaker 3: sleepy cat sitting next to me. Let's hope she doesn't
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Speaker 3: wake during the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's I won't shout anything like, hey, you
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Speaker 1: fucking cat. I won't shout anything like that. Golespo, Hello,
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Speaker 1: how are you good?
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Speaker 2: Are you? No sleeper cats here? No? I think the
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Speaker 2: dogs that eat them.
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Speaker 1: The dogs. Yeah, your dog's probably they'd be just like
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Speaker 1: a snack, just an in between meals.
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Speaker 2: It's hard enough keeping him away from the possums at alone.
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Speaker 1: Cats what are they again? What kind of dogs? Remind me?
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Speaker 2: I bought a Collie kelpies and they're young, full of beans.
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Speaker 1: That's just like having a fourteen year old on Rittlin
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Speaker 1: in your house.
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Speaker 2: They're actually reasonably well trained though for psychopaths, you know.
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Speaker 1: They are they are well, No, that's right. You know
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Speaker 1: what's ironic is the man who once told us that
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Speaker 1: dogs don't love you, They just use you and manipulate
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Speaker 1: you because they're sociopaths. Has got two dogs that he loves.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yeah, they're all right. I don't know about last.
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Speaker 1: Can I ask you in front of the whole world?
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Speaker 1: Do you love your dogs?
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Speaker 2: Look, they're all right, they keep me company.
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Speaker 1: Oh you're such a hard you know you love them?
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Speaker 2: Well, you love them, But I know they're psychopaths and
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Speaker 2: they're just manipulating me.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they actually love you, and they maybe if you
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Speaker 1: died in the forest that stand guard over you or
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Speaker 1: they'd eat you.
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Speaker 2: Like yeah, they call them psychopaths.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, and you brought on your own demise and
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Speaker 1: they ate you like a fucking McMuffin. So apparently let's
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Speaker 1: jump into it. There's some new reset search out or
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Speaker 1: there's a study that's been published that you shared about
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Speaker 1: recently about the fact that cancer in its many forms
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Speaker 1: is becoming more prevalent and it's on the rise. Well
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Speaker 1: that's terrifying, do tell.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So the article and this is over on my substack,
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Speaker 2: which you can get to from David Gillespie dot org
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Speaker 2: if you can't find the substack. The article is the
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Speaker 2: latest one. It's called the Corporate Cancer Machine. How cheap
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Speaker 2: industrial fats are accelerating our biological clocks and fueling an
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Speaker 2: epidemic of early onset cancer.
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Speaker 1: Just on that. You know, it's funny how many people
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Speaker 1: kind of go to me, oh, yeah, but all the
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Speaker 1: bullshit you say, but people are living longer. I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but their health span is shorter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well medicine is yeah.
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Speaker 1: Medicine's better. So they're being held together with medical sticky
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Speaker 1: tape and staples and just stumbling towards the finish line
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Speaker 1: and hanging on for years, but they're not.
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Speaker 2: It's also a bit of strange maths there that people,
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Speaker 2: if they think about it, understand it but have never
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Speaker 2: thought about it, which is we're always told life expectancy
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Speaker 2: is rising, right, so say, our life expectancy in the
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Speaker 2: sixties was seven, was sixty five, and now it's seventy
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Speaker 2: five or whatever it is. But life expectancy at the
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Speaker 2: turn of the century was, you know, turn of the
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Speaker 2: twentieth century was you know, twenty four or something like that.
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Speaker 2: And the reason that that maths is a very misleading
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Speaker 2: because life expectancy at birth is the number they're talking about,
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Speaker 2: which is, if you say, how long is everybody in
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Speaker 2: the population likely to live on birth, and that's great
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Speaker 2: as people survived childhood, but at the turn of the
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Speaker 2: twentieth century most people didn't, so there were a lot
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Speaker 2: less live births, but they're all counted in the stats. Now.
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Speaker 2: If you've got a fair number of your population dying
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Speaker 2: before they turned the age of ten, which was the
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Speaker 2: case before we got into modern medicine in the twentieth century,
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Speaker 2: then the average life expectancy at birth is going to
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Speaker 2: be pretty low. And so that's where this myth of
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Speaker 2: our caveman only lived to thirty or people in the
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Speaker 2: eighteenth century of the nineteenth century didn't live very long
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Speaker 2: at all. That's nonsense. If you survived childhood, you had
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Speaker 2: a pretty good chance of living quite a long and
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Speaker 2: healthy life. The big kicker was the if you survived
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Speaker 2: childhood and you either didn't die at birth or of
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Speaker 2: one of the many childhood diseases going around that for
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Speaker 2: which we had no vaccines. So it's a funny number.
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Speaker 2: So it is. It is that, but there's also the
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Speaker 2: fact that medicine is just getting better and if you
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Speaker 2: as a seventy five year old going to hospital today,
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Speaker 2: you have a much higher chance of surviving that and
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Speaker 2: living a bit longer than you did if the same
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Speaker 2: thing happened in the nineteen twenties. And that's great, but
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Speaker 2: it doesn't explain the underlying number. So yeah, that's a
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Speaker 2: bit of a sort of random sidetrack there for you.
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Speaker 2: How it relates to this though, Yeah, I.
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Speaker 1: Was going to say, just for that Jerman idea, like
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Speaker 1: two hundred years ago, how many what percentage of kids
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Speaker 1: died before ten?
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Speaker 2: It's lookable, uppable, and I'm sure Tiff is doing it
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Speaker 2: as we speak. And the other thing to look at
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Speaker 2: isfyd googling there is life expectancy are forty because that's
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Speaker 2: a much more interesting number, which is, if you made
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Speaker 2: it to the age of forty, how much longer were
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Speaker 2: you expected to live at various times in history?
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Speaker 1: And you'll let's go find a hundred TIV try that.
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Speaker 3: So, so what am I searching now?
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Speaker 2: Life expectancy at fourteen in the year rate And oh okay,
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Speaker 2: it'll probably give you them a different anything writing about
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Speaker 2: that's going to give you a different times. While TIFF's
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Speaker 2: beavering away on that, let's have a look at today's topic.
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Speaker 2: This is an interesting study because it's big, it's really
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Speaker 2: well done and It was published in Nature Medicine, which
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Speaker 2: is a very top tier journal, one hundred.
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Speaker 1: And number one, yeah, number one in the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and sixty thousand individuals in the US
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Speaker 2: and UK involved in this study. What they found is
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Speaker 2: that if you were born after nineteen sixty five, your
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Speaker 2: biological clock is running significantly faster than your parents. So
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Speaker 2: your biological age is likely to be much much higher
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Speaker 2: than your chronological age, and you are much more likely
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Speaker 2: to be affected by cancer during your lifetime. So it was,
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Speaker 2: as I said, a very large study, and it kind
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Speaker 2: of blows away one of the things that tends to
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Speaker 2: be trodded out when another undeniable statistic is raised. So
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Speaker 2: there's a very clear statistic that if you go and
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Speaker 2: have a look at the Australian Institute of Health and
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Speaker 2: Welfare published numbers on cancer, you'll find that Australian the
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Speaker 2: rate of Australian increase of cancer diagnosis in Australia is
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Speaker 2: pretty significant. So all cancers it's growing at about two
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Speaker 2: to three percent a year. Very specific cancers it is
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Speaker 2: significantly higher than that. So a sophagill cancer, bowel cancer,
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Speaker 2: anal cancer, things like that are much much higher rates
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Speaker 2: than that, And many of your listeners will probably agree
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Speaker 2: with this statement. I'm in my thirties or forties, and
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Speaker 2: i know someone with cancer who is approximately my age,
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Speaker 2: and that is increasing the case. And because we're surrounded
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Speaker 2: by it all the time, now it feels like it's normal.
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Speaker 2: It feels like this is just what happens. And because
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Speaker 2: treatments are increasingly better and better for cancer, the news
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Speaker 2: focuses on this or that new treatment, rather than the
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Speaker 2: fact that there's a lot more cancer to treat and
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Speaker 2: that lot more cancer is in younger and younger people
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Speaker 2: than ever before. And what this study show gives us
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Speaker 2: is a mechanism that explains it, or at least data
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Speaker 2: that supports it, which to show that our cellular aging
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Speaker 2: is in fact different. People born after nineteen sixty five
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Speaker 2: are aging at a different rate to people born before
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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty five, and that is accelerating. And aging is
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Speaker 2: just another way of saying decay. You know, so sorry
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Speaker 2: for everybody here, including me, but it's aging is just
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Speaker 2: a measure of DNA destruction. So the ability of ourselves
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Speaker 2: to continually refresh. The interesting thing is we've talked about many,
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Speaker 2: many times something that is being consumed in particular by
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Speaker 2: people born after nineteen sixty five that has exactly that
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Speaker 2: effect on cellular DNA, and that's seed oils, seed oils,
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Speaker 2: seed oils. It's it's the production of really destructive cellular aldehydes,
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Speaker 2: in particular one called for H and E, which we've
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Speaker 2: talked about a lot, which ravages the body, attacks the
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Speaker 2: defenses we have because you know, evolution takes care of us, okay,
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Speaker 2: in the sense that cancer is an ever present threat
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Speaker 2: and we have many, many layers of defense against it.
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Speaker 2: Clean up crews, things to scavenge and look for damaged DMA,
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Speaker 2: fix it, kill the cells, get rid of them, all
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Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And this particular aldehyde, I mean,
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Speaker 2: it's in a class of aldehydes that we already acknowledge
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Speaker 2: do damage. You know, the ones from alcohol, set of aldehyde,
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Speaker 2: and the ones from smoking. You know those those acroleine
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Speaker 2: et cetera. Those things we already know are aldehydes which
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Speaker 2: accelerate the production of cancer. For H and E is
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Speaker 2: makes them look like babes in arms. It is significantly
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Speaker 2: more destructive, and it is in everything we eat. If
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Speaker 2: we buy packaged food that contain seed oils, it contains
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Speaker 2: the formula for this stuff. So once it's in our body,
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Speaker 2: we are consuming it. It is part of our body,
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Speaker 2: and it takes six hundred days to clear. So a
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Speaker 2: hot chip you have today that's been cooked in a
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Speaker 2: seed oil is going to take six hundred days before
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Speaker 2: that seed oil and the potential damage from it is
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Speaker 2: cleared from your body.
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Speaker 1: Can I just tell you something so pursuant to your
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Speaker 1: advice and endless banging on about fucking the seed oils,
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Speaker 1: I go to the soupermarket. I try to find shit
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Speaker 1: without seed oils because I'm a big flavor person. I
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Speaker 1: hate just plain meat. It's got to taste. It's got
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Speaker 1: to be no matter what it is. If it's fish
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Speaker 1: or it's chicken, or it's beef, or it's pork or whatever,
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Speaker 1: it's got to be. So I'm always trying to find
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Speaker 1: a source that meets the bloody David Bloody Gillespie criteria.
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Speaker 1: It chicks the fucking David Gillespie boxes. And in fact,
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Speaker 1: I did it yesterday because I was so what I
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Speaker 1: use everyone, Not that you need to listen to me,
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Speaker 1: but is David spoke probably two years now now ago
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Speaker 1: about a Mayo called I think it's called good fat mayo.
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Speaker 1: That's the only mayo I have. You might have to
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Speaker 1: sell a kidney to buy a leader of it, but anyway,
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Speaker 1: it's worth that. Shit's expensive, but it's great. And I
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Speaker 1: also have it's.
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Speaker 2: Like oh sorry, sorry, before we get to the other
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Speaker 2: things mayo, you know it's just an egg and olive oil, right, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I know, I'm not making it.
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Speaker 2: We've had that, Okay, all right, okay, just keep going.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm not making it. I'm going to buy it.
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Speaker 1: And then but it's about four times the cost of
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Speaker 1: the equivalent in But then you read the thing right,
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Speaker 1: and all the other ingredients are fucking terrible. I also
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Speaker 1: have this one, which is like a peanut sarte kind
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Speaker 1: of made by the same company, also sands seed oils. Right,
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Speaker 1: so fantastic. But I spent a good twenty minutes, I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it was yesterday or the day before,
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Speaker 1: just trying to find any oil, any mayo or like
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Speaker 1: I thought, surely there's got to be one on these
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Speaker 1: shelves other than the ones I already buy that don't
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Speaker 1: have some kind of canola oil or canola oils. Like
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Speaker 1: it's the number one ingredient of almost everything, right, Like
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Speaker 1: you buy yourself, you know they I was going to
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Speaker 1: buy myself like a burger sauce that just goes on
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Speaker 1: the burgers that I make myself for whatever, and just
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Speaker 1: the ingredients, and it's three bucks. I'm like, there's a
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Speaker 1: reason it's three bucks. It's fucking terrible. I couldn't find
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Speaker 1: anything other than when you get to say more in
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Speaker 1: the tomato space, but then that's offset with thirty pounds
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Speaker 1: of sugar.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 1: So like wherever you turn, there is very little that
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Speaker 1: you could call a healthy product on a supermarket shelf.
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Speaker 2: The condiment sector of a supermarket is a very bad
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Speaker 2: place to look. Call sugar or seed oil free anything, right.
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Speaker 2: Getting back to this then, and you know, as we
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Speaker 2: accept that seed oils are very, very bad, this study
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Speaker 2: kind of blows away the excuse that tends to get
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Speaker 2: wheeled out when if anyone does ask about the accelerating
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Speaker 2: rates of cancer, why are so many more young people
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Speaker 2: getting cancer? The fairly standard response you're going to get is, oh,
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Speaker 2: it's the aging population. Well no it isn't. It isn't
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Speaker 2: the aging population, and this study proves it. This study
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Speaker 2: says it's actually younger people that are more likely to
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Speaker 2: get cancer earlier in life. So it's not aging population.
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Speaker 2: The aging people. The people over sixty who were born,
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Speaker 2: you know, in nineteen sixty five or before, they're doing
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Speaker 2: okay compared to the younger people. So it's interesting when
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Speaker 2: research like this out and puts paid to one of
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Speaker 2: the real standard things that gets wheeled out, but not
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Speaker 2: by people who are trying to be malicious, but just
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Speaker 2: because that's what gets said, it's shorthand for we have
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Speaker 2: no idea. And rather than their day job being to
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Speaker 2: figure out why, that's not the medical profession's day job.
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Speaker 2: Their jay job is to park the ambulance at the
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Speaker 2: bottom of the cliff and fix the people who've fallen
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Speaker 2: off it. It's not to worry about the people who
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Speaker 2: are jumping from the top. That's somebody else's job.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah. Do you think that there is also a
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Speaker 1: correlation between neurological conditions and cognitive conditions and seed oils?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely there is, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think fairly significant
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Speaker 2: portion of the human brain is polly unsaturated fat, and
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Speaker 2: seed oils push the balances of those things like nothing
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Speaker 2: you would believe, So things that should be mostly Amiga
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Speaker 2: three are mostly Amiga six. Aldehydes running loose in the
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Speaker 2: brain is not good for anything, and it is especially
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Speaker 2: not good for our ability to maintain our mental state.
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Speaker 2: There's really detailed stuff on this, some really excellent science
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Speaker 2: on it, which I really should write an article about.
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Speaker 2: Now you mentioned it. I don't think I've done that before,
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Speaker 2: but the damage that's done to the mitochondria in the
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Speaker 2: brain by seed oils is very significant. And yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think I will do that. I'll write one and
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Speaker 2: we might chat about it next time, you know what.
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Speaker 1: I'd also, this is just anecdotal, and I've said this
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Speaker 1: a few times on the show. A few happen to
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Speaker 1: be in vague contact with my parents, which is virtually
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Speaker 1: nobody that listens to this, I guess, but it might
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Speaker 1: be one or two don't share this. But my dad's
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Speaker 1: got diabetes, like bad diabetes.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: The other day I was up there and his blood
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Speaker 1: sugar level was twenty five point five, which is incompatible
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Speaker 1: with life, right. But yeah, I think there's a real
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Speaker 1: relationship with blood sugar levels and cognition as well, because
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Speaker 1: it's you know, like high sugar is inflammatory, cognitive decline
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Speaker 1: relates you know, is impacted by inflammation in the brain
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Speaker 1: and all these things and the lining of the brain.
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Speaker 1: I just think that this is stating the obvious. But
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Speaker 1: there's so much that is fucking us up that we're
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Speaker 1: voluntarily just putting in our body. But at the same time,
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Speaker 1: this is why, Like with you, I get nine out
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Speaker 1: of ten people go, fuck, I love Gollespo, I love
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Speaker 1: the way you know, and every now and then they're
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Speaker 1: like that that motherfucker's obsessed with seed oils. And like
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Speaker 1: there's one there's one or two out of ten who
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Speaker 1: don't like you. Yeah, well no, they like you. Like
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Speaker 1: the majority is maybe it's who I'm not insecure, what's there.
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Speaker 1: Maybe it's one in thirty. I don't know. But like
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Speaker 1: I look at what my dad eats, despite you know,
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Speaker 1: my efforts. Yeah, and it's not terrible. Well it is terrible,
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Speaker 1: but it's I'm going to say, it's indicative of the
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Speaker 1: average Australian diet. And you know, he just he just
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Speaker 1: came out of a facility. I won't say where, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't matter, but some of the food that he was given,
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Speaker 1: knowing that he's a diabetic, like.
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Speaker 2: Hospital food, institutional food, is horrific. I think probably the
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Speaker 2: first lawsuits are probably going to come from there on
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Speaker 2: seed oils, particularly the military, where everything you eat is provided,
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Speaker 2: and so you've probably got a pretty strong case on causation,
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Speaker 2: which is well, I know what I ate from the
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Speaker 2: age of eighteen to the age of forty was provided
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Speaker 2: by you. So if there's something to do with something
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Speaker 2: I ate, guess who's up for it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. Tif did you find anything out?
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Speaker 4: I certainly did.
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Speaker 2: Watch out.
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Speaker 1: You've only got one job, Like you've got one job and.
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Speaker 2: She's done it for a break. I'll be on the
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Speaker 2: payroll soon.
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Speaker 1: Don't get a head of yourself. It's a long apprenticeship though,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. We'll take the l plates off in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and thirty and you'll be just a new woman.
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Speaker 1: What did you discover?
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Speaker 3: In about eighteen hundred, the average expected death was thirty
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Speaker 3: to thirty five years, and for those already aged forty
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Speaker 3: was typically twenty five to thirty years extra. So sixty
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Speaker 3: five to seventy wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that number of the sixty five to seventy
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Speaker 2: has remained pretty consistent even since pre Roman times. So
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Speaker 2: if you got to forty there was a good chance
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Speaker 2: you're going to make it to seventy. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: don't know the exact phrase, but I think it's even
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Speaker 2: in the Bible from memory, something about seven score and something.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's if you got all the way to forty,
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Speaker 2: you were probably going to live to seventy.
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Speaker 1: It was three score and ten bro.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, that there you go, speaking three score and.
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Speaker 1: Ten at seventy because one score is twenty. But speaking
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Speaker 1: of age in the Bible, I know the answer to this.
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Speaker 1: But if look up Methuslam at h us Ula how
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Speaker 1: long Methuselah lived, and then tell me and gilespo.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, while she's doing that, I guess the point is,
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Speaker 2: if you go through and various populations, you find that
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Speaker 2: life expectancy at forty has always been pretty consistent. It
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Speaker 2: was about seventy. It's increased lately, like in the last
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Speaker 2: fifty sixty years. It's increased, like you know, you can
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Speaker 2: now expect to make it to your eighties, mid eighties, etcetera.
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Speaker 2: In some countries. And that's that's the effect of medicine.
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Speaker 2: But other than that, the human lifespan was mostly about
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Speaker 2: what happened to you before forty, Yes.
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Speaker 1: Was it? He certainly didn't have ceed oil's, did he, Tiff.
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Speaker 3: Sure didn't. I don't reckon he had many many sugar
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Speaker 3: fuelled cookies.
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Speaker 4: Either.
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Speaker 1: Tell Golespo in our audience how long Methusla allegedly.
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Speaker 4: Lived nine hundred and sixty nine years.
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Speaker 1: It's a bit disappointed when you're only thirty one years
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Speaker 1: away from your thousandths.
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Speaker 2: That's right, very disappointing.
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Speaker 1: You get there, Give me a break.
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Speaker 2: You're counting on that thousand. Get you a little from
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Speaker 2: the queen or something.
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Speaker 1: If you had to narrow it down to three or
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Speaker 1: four key findings from this research, what are they?
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Speaker 2: The key finding? Look, I think the key finding here
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Speaker 2: is it debunkts this notion that, oh, look, the reason
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Speaker 2: that you're noticing more people with cancer or more people
22:30
Speaker 2: with younger people with cancer is it's the aging population.
22:34
Speaker 2: I've never bought that anyway. For younger people with cancer,
22:37
Speaker 2: and particularly when you see rates of childhood cancer, which
22:40
Speaker 2: is you know, is off the scale. Childhood cancers are
22:43
Speaker 2: accelerating wildly. And we might talk about that another time
22:47
Speaker 2: about why I think that is and what the evidence
22:50
Speaker 2: says about it being the consumption of seed oils by
22:54
Speaker 2: the father, not necessarily by the child. But that's a
22:59
Speaker 2: topic for another day. But you see those numbers childhood cancers,
23:02
Speaker 2: people in their thirties and forties getting cancer, and those
23:05
Speaker 2: are all growing very, very rapidly. The aging population thing
23:09
Speaker 2: doesn't hold water anyway. This study puts the nail in
23:11
Speaker 2: it and says, well, it doesn't because there's two distinct
23:16
Speaker 2: cohorts here. There's people born before nineteen sixty five and
23:19
Speaker 2: people born after nineteen sixty five. And not only the
23:23
Speaker 2: people born after ninety six survive more likely to have cancer,
23:27
Speaker 2: it's more likely that that rate is accelerating. And then
23:30
Speaker 2: I've linked that together with other research that we've talked
23:32
Speaker 2: about before, which is what is the definition of aging
23:36
Speaker 2: and how does the consumption of valdehydes affect that definition,
23:40
Speaker 2: and come up to this conclusion which says all of
23:42
Speaker 2: that makes sense what that study is showing, because we
23:45
Speaker 2: are all consuming dramatically more aging proactive substances in the
23:52
Speaker 2: form of seed oils.
23:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, tif can you ask Chatters another question, that is,
23:59
Speaker 1: is M and D a genetic only condition? You know
24:07
Speaker 1: what I think about with these neurological tell me when
24:10
Speaker 1: you get an answer these neurological things. David does m
24:13
Speaker 1: n D get much airtime in Queensland.
24:17
Speaker 2: Oh that's the ice backet challenge thing right, Yeah, yeah,
24:22
Speaker 2: you see it when that challenge is on. But other
24:24
Speaker 2: than that, not much.
24:25
Speaker 1: It gets a lot down here because Neil danaher much
24:29
Speaker 1: loved Ozzie and footballer and coach and very down here,
24:33
Speaker 1: a big deal and he recently sadly passed away and
24:38
Speaker 1: lived way beyond the ad.
24:40
Speaker 2: Didn't me some run around for the Lions at some point? Uh?
24:44
Speaker 1: Maybe? But there were four brothers. There are four brothers
24:47
Speaker 1: who all played AFL. But and this is no this
24:52
Speaker 1: is no judgment or criticism, but I think I think
24:58
Speaker 1: that they've raised a hard hundred or more million dollars
25:02
Speaker 1: over the last decade or so, and I just sometimes
25:05
Speaker 1: I wish they would come out and go, Okay, so
25:08
Speaker 1: we've raised one hundred million dollars, here's what we've discovered,
25:12
Speaker 1: or here's the progress we've made, or you know, everyone's
25:15
Speaker 1: given all this money, which is great and we should
25:17
Speaker 1: and I've given money and all good, but I just
25:21
Speaker 1: I want to know where's the money going. What's the
25:24
Speaker 1: science telling us? Have you learned anything. Is it like
25:28
Speaker 1: is it can it be a byproduct of behavior and
25:32
Speaker 1: lifestyle and nutrition diet or is it purely genetic? To
25:36
Speaker 1: what your answer or what do you get?
25:38
Speaker 3: It's not only genetic. It falls into two categories. Sporadic MND,
25:43
Speaker 3: which is about ninety percent where there is no known
25:45
Speaker 3: family history. These cases are thought to result from complex
25:50
Speaker 3: combination of aging chants, environmental factors, possible genetics, and susceptibility
25:56
Speaker 3: that isn't inherit inherited in a simple way way.
26:00
Speaker 4: Gee whiz.
26:01
Speaker 1: So that'd be great to figure out what are the
26:04
Speaker 1: potential drivers or instigators you know, or factors that may
26:11
Speaker 1: result in that, because I just think.
26:14
Speaker 2: So while while while Tiff was googling that, I did
26:18
Speaker 2: a bit of googling myself and I will dig into
26:21
Speaker 2: this and because this looks interesting or H and E,
26:26
Speaker 2: which remember I said, is the older hard cause the
26:28
Speaker 2: over consumption of omega six and the old Google says
26:33
Speaker 2: in the context of M and D, the central nervous
26:35
Speaker 2: system is exceptionally vulnerable to lipid peroxidation due to its
26:38
Speaker 2: high concentration of pollout saturated fat's intense organ use, and
26:41
Speaker 2: relatively low anti antioxidant capacity. It goes on in some detail,
26:45
Speaker 2: but I'll dig into it and write a piece about it.
26:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be great. I mean it is a bit
26:51
Speaker 1: and it should be. It gets a lot of attention,
26:53
Speaker 1: a lot of like the foundation gets a lot of support,
26:57
Speaker 1: and the families amazing, and I'd just like to get
27:00
Speaker 1: an update on what they've achieved or learned or discovered. Yeah,
27:07
Speaker 1: because it's it's that research has been going for quite
27:11
Speaker 1: a while, so I'd love to hear. And I'd also
27:13
Speaker 1: like I wonder if and I don't know, this is
27:17
Speaker 1: a purely of course, I don't know, just purely hypothical,
27:20
Speaker 1: but if you know, let's say Brian gets MND at
27:24
Speaker 1: fifty five and you know dies at fifty seven, which
27:28
Speaker 1: is a more typical timeline, versus another version of him
27:34
Speaker 1: who you know, had a totally different diet and lifestyle
27:38
Speaker 1: and environment and you know, never had a seed oil
27:41
Speaker 1: or never had a cigarette or booze or I wonder
27:46
Speaker 1: if the outcome if his genetic twin brother, who had
27:50
Speaker 1: a totally different growing up experience. I wonder if they
27:53
Speaker 1: would get if they would both get it or one
27:55
Speaker 1: would get it, or it would be at the same time,
27:58
Speaker 1: because I think we need to be out not only
28:00
Speaker 1: how to treat it and cure it potentially, but also
28:03
Speaker 1: how to prevent it or mitigate it. Somewhat.
28:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's always with almost every condition. I
28:10
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever discovered one that this doesn't apply to.
28:13
Speaker 2: There's always an underlying susceptibility. I mean, that's the nature
28:17
Speaker 2: of DNA variation, which is none of us are the same,
28:20
Speaker 2: which is why a DNA test is an excellent way
28:22
Speaker 2: to find a criminal, because none of us are the same.
28:26
Speaker 2: And because of that, every single one of us has
28:29
Speaker 2: susceptibility to something that somebody else doesn't have, And so
28:35
Speaker 2: there's a background effect in the population for everything, and
28:40
Speaker 2: including MND and anything else you want to name. The
28:43
Speaker 2: question is are we doing things to accelerate that background
28:47
Speaker 2: susceptibility and taking someone for whom it was a one
28:51
Speaker 2: in ten thousand chance and making them a person for
28:54
Speaker 2: whom it is a one hundred percent chance. And that's
28:58
Speaker 2: what you usually see when you look at the stuff
29:02
Speaker 2: on all of these things about how the oils affect health.
29:05
Speaker 2: It's not that the disease wouldn't exist anyway, It's that
29:10
Speaker 2: what we are doing is consuming a substance that accelerates it,
29:14
Speaker 2: makes you more susceptible and disables your natural defenses against it.
29:20
Speaker 1: Why do you think this is purely just an opinion,
29:23
Speaker 1: and my opinion that a lot of Aussies are somewhat
29:28
Speaker 1: blase about their health and tend to be in my observation,
29:34
Speaker 1: you're on it reactive, not proactive, like we don't really
29:39
Speaker 1: get serious about something to wear sick or have been
29:41
Speaker 1: given some kind of diagnosis or news that fucking terrifies.
29:45
Speaker 2: Us, when well, a lot of us believe that they're
29:50
Speaker 2: our governments and the agencies that are part of it
29:55
Speaker 2: are looking out for us. A lot of them believe
29:58
Speaker 2: that the last five decades where they've been telling us
30:01
Speaker 2: that there's nothing wrong with sugar and seed oils are
30:04
Speaker 2: better for us than animal fats, that that's all based
30:08
Speaker 2: on some kind of science and that there's been lots
30:11
Speaker 2: of smart people looking at that stuff. And if they
30:14
Speaker 2: say that's the way to go, and the food supply
30:16
Speaker 2: is structured that way, then we must be fine. And
30:19
Speaker 2: if we're ending up sick anyway, then it must be
30:22
Speaker 2: I don't know, bad luck or something that we did
30:25
Speaker 2: or environmental chemicals or you name it, all the usual
30:29
Speaker 2: things that get trotted out rather than coming back to
30:32
Speaker 2: the basics, which is saying or maybe we've been told
30:35
Speaker 2: the wrong thing.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I did a podcast last night
30:42
Speaker 1: which is up today today being.
30:45
Speaker 2: Tuesday, Wednesday?
30:46
Speaker 1: Today is it Wednesday or tuesdayesday? Already lost Wednesday Wednesday
30:52
Speaker 1: speaking of cognitive decline. Always speak to David. That a
30:59
Speaker 1: big for me. It's Wednesday, it's the first of July.
31:04
Speaker 1: But about this idea of trying to build a relationship
31:09
Speaker 1: with your body. But the podcast called The Science of You, right,
31:13
Speaker 1: just trying to understand forget the broad stuff for the minute,
31:17
Speaker 1: but just paying attention to your own body and your
31:19
Speaker 1: own emotional system and nervous system, and how do you
31:23
Speaker 1: respond or how does your body respond to all these
31:27
Speaker 1: different things, Like when you have coffee at seven o'clock
31:30
Speaker 1: at night, what happens? Maybe nothing? Maybe you sleep great
31:34
Speaker 1: when you go to bed at midnight twenty days in
31:37
Speaker 1: a row, what's happening to your recovery and your energy
31:39
Speaker 1: and your mood and your emotional state, or when you
31:42
Speaker 1: eat more of this unless like just trying to understand
31:45
Speaker 1: that individual awareness and observation. That kind of n equals
31:49
Speaker 1: one concept of me trying to do a bit of
31:52
Speaker 1: scientific you know, research for one of a better terms
31:56
Speaker 1: on myself, which is just really paying attention to what
32:00
Speaker 1: I'm doing to my body and then what is the
32:03
Speaker 1: outcome of the doing where I You know, it's like
32:07
Speaker 1: there are certain things like I can't have much dairy
32:10
Speaker 1: because I'm not because I don't produce enough lactase, which
32:15
Speaker 1: is the enzyme that breaks down lactoes. And I used
32:18
Speaker 1: to be able to drink lots of it. I grew
32:19
Speaker 1: up in the bush drink and milk all the time,
32:22
Speaker 1: and now it's sixty two, I can't And so my
32:24
Speaker 1: body just tells men don't drink that, or definitely don't
32:27
Speaker 1: drink much. And so you were just accordingly. But I
32:32
Speaker 1: feel like we the general we not all of us,
32:36
Speaker 1: but you know, we tend to just plow on no
32:39
Speaker 1: matter what our body's saying.
32:42
Speaker 2: Also we are you know, it's sort of like the
32:45
Speaker 2: boiling frog analogy doesn't know it's being cooked. We accept
32:49
Speaker 2: the status quo as normal, you know, so we accept, Oh, okay,
32:56
Speaker 2: so I get a bad flu every winter, or I
32:58
Speaker 2: get two three bad flus every winter, or this joint
33:01
Speaker 2: always aches, or that, you know, whatever we accept as normal.
33:05
Speaker 2: This is and and our our default state is to
33:09
Speaker 2: keep us feeling that level without realizing that we have
33:14
Speaker 2: whole new other levels levels available to us, but we've
33:18
Speaker 2: never experienced them, or haven't experienced them recently. So, for example,
33:23
Speaker 2: they're getting sick every winter. Thing. I don't think I've
33:26
Speaker 2: had a serious cold since I quent sugar, and that's
33:30
Speaker 2: a long time ago, but I remember before that, and
33:33
Speaker 2: you know, I used to get the flu, and you know,
33:36
Speaker 2: you name it, usually quite bad every winter, and and
33:40
Speaker 2: and probably at other times as well. And now I've
33:42
Speaker 2: got it. You know, one of my kids as a teacher,
33:45
Speaker 2: and she's walking in the house bringing in every disease
33:48
Speaker 2: known to man. I'm sure, but you know it's yeah,
33:52
Speaker 2: because she's exposed herself every day to a very large
33:55
Speaker 2: cross section of the disease carrying population. And and the
34:01
Speaker 2: fact that that doesn't end up in this household being
34:04
Speaker 2: sick all the time to me is a bit strange
34:07
Speaker 2: and a bit good.
34:10
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, when I was about fifty five, so seven
34:15
Speaker 1: years ago, I started to get what I thought and
34:18
Speaker 1: probably was arthritis in both of my hands. So I
34:22
Speaker 1: started to just get not muscular pain, it was just
34:26
Speaker 1: this neural inflammatory and it was shit. And it was
34:29
Speaker 1: getting progressively worse over about six months to where my
34:33
Speaker 1: hands would ache and it would ache in the joints,
34:36
Speaker 1: and I thought, I'm going to try a month with zero,
34:39
Speaker 1: like no zero sugar. And it went away. And I
34:45
Speaker 1: haven't had sugar per se since and I have my
34:49
Speaker 1: hands have been pain free ever since. And I had
34:51
Speaker 1: at least six maybe twelve months of kind of evolving,
34:56
Speaker 1: escalating pain, and that was like, and we know sugar's inflammatory,
35:01
Speaker 1: and arthritis is an inflammatory condition. That's all I changed
35:05
Speaker 1: and the pain went away and it hasn't come back.
35:09
Speaker 2: But you noticed it and took action. Whereas I think
35:11
Speaker 2: a lot of people just accept that I'm getting older
35:14
Speaker 2: and therefore that's the way it's going to be from
35:16
Speaker 2: now on. And I think it's worth always thinking if
35:20
Speaker 2: I removed some of the toxins that have been placed
35:23
Speaker 2: in our diet for no better reason than it's profitable,
35:29
Speaker 2: would I be better off? And it's always worth trying
35:31
Speaker 2: and finding out.
35:32
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, every now and then I'll have a little something,
35:36
Speaker 1: a little something something the other day. I think if
35:39
Speaker 1: I told you too.
35:40
Speaker 2: It's a confession time till you've got the booth ready,
35:43
Speaker 2: he's going to step into the booth. How many how
35:46
Speaker 2: mirrors is going to have to say? For this one?
35:49
Speaker 1: I think it's called the confessional, not the boots.
35:54
Speaker 2: Did you ever see that John saffran one where it
35:57
Speaker 2: got banned because one of his race around the world,
36:01
Speaker 2: because I think he went into a confession different confessionals
36:04
Speaker 2: in one city and you know, like I don't know
36:07
Speaker 2: ten of them or something, and confess the same sense
36:11
Speaker 2: to see if he got the same punishment. They're all different.
36:16
Speaker 1: Again, not punishment. Sorry, gets your terminology right, But anyway,
36:23
Speaker 1: I had some cookies and crime and ice cream like
36:25
Speaker 1: conscious decision went oh fuck it. I used to love that,
36:28
Speaker 1: and I inhaled it and I was so happy. And
36:32
Speaker 1: then I woke up the next morning because I did
36:35
Speaker 1: have it pretty close to bed, which is also a
36:37
Speaker 1: great thing. I woke up the next morning I felt
36:40
Speaker 1: like I had a hangover. My body was just like,
36:44
Speaker 1: what are you doing?
36:45
Speaker 2: What do you have?
36:47
Speaker 1: And then I had a look at the sugar content.
36:49
Speaker 1: I googled the sugar sugar content on what I had
36:52
Speaker 1: it was very high. My body just goes nah, Like
36:57
Speaker 1: if I had booze, i'd be I'd have half a
36:59
Speaker 1: glass of beer I drunk because I've never boo So
37:02
Speaker 1: my body like sensitive.
37:05
Speaker 2: That's a known effect and it's a measurable effect. With fructose,
37:09
Speaker 2: the body actually removes the the receptors for it from
37:14
Speaker 2: the guard if you don't consume it, and so it
37:16
Speaker 2: does come as a shock. Similar thing happens with with alcohol,
37:19
Speaker 2: which is of course the systemic poison. If you don't
37:22
Speaker 2: consume it frequently, then your ability to cope with it declines.
37:27
Speaker 1: Yeah.
37:28
Speaker 2: Crazy, that's not an ad for drinking more frequently, so
37:32
Speaker 2: you've got better ability to cope.
37:35
Speaker 1: Uh. The name of the new book, the fantastically the
37:40
Speaker 1: new book. The new book is called.
37:43
Speaker 2: The Attention Recovery Plan. That's what's called I.
37:47
Speaker 1: Think the ship title, shit title, great book, great bookshit title.
37:52
Speaker 1: But you're not buying it for the title or the
37:54
Speaker 1: cover covers, all right, but you're buying it for the
37:58
Speaker 1: stuff in between the front and back. She's very good.
38:00
Speaker 1: So I've gone by nine of those. We'll say goodbye,
38:04
Speaker 1: fair but mate, I appreciate you as always, And Tiff,
38:08
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you a I'm going to give
38:10
Speaker 1: you all pass, not a not a credit or a
38:12
Speaker 1: distinction on the on the research. You'll just have to
38:17
Speaker 1: tidy up a little bit, but you know you're getting there.
38:21
Speaker 2: She's in charge of the editing. She can make herself
38:24
Speaker 2: look incredible. You just asked the question, should have the
38:27
Speaker 2: answer in seconds.
38:28
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all the brilliant stuff I say she takes out. Yeah,
38:34
Speaker 1: so annoying.
38:35
Speaker 2: So everyone, if you're listening too, is she taking it
38:39
Speaker 2: out live when we're actually speaking?
38:41
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, So everyone, when you hear this and
38:43
Speaker 1: Dave and I sound like funks, it's Tip's fault. We're
38:46
Speaker 1: actually Jennie I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's misrepresenting us. Thanks guys,
38:53
Speaker 1: see you letter